The Toast - S3 Ep142: Inner Peace with Dorit Kemsley: Wednesday, August 26th, 2020

Episode Date: August 26, 2020

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Good morning, Millennials! And we're doing the same thing today with our guest, which is in the title at this point. So you know her. You love her. Dorit Kemsley is on the end of this episode. We also recorded our interview with her via Zoom. So it's on our YouTube channel. And it's everything of the sort, just like her. Yeah, it was really a dream come true moment for us. A dream come true moment. It was really nice to obviously talk to her and just tell her how much we love her.

But also ask some lingering questions that I had about the episode that I kept in the back of my mind. Like, if I talk to a housewife soon this is what i'm gonna ask like is bravo bravo bravo something that is actually said often and she answers our questions she answers with honesty she didn't hold back she was like even for our little zoom she was looking glamorous as hell snatched to the gods with those orange nails yeah she was looking so good so we really hope you guys enjoy that and again if you want to watch it it's up on our YouTube. Hope everyone had a fabulous week. We did. We've been having a fabulous week. And I do think that the toasters are having fabulous weeks also, because the content like does not stop coming. Even though we are on vacation, and there are

technically yes, less episodes of the toast. We're giving so much more on the Patreon. If you're not a Patreon member, we've had four out of five episodes go up this month. There's still one more coming some vlogs, some podcasts, we had Olivia and Margo join. Ben was in one. Mikaela even joined one. You hear some of her little whimpers before we had to give her the boot. So if you're needing more from us than just these weekly episodes, head over to patreon.com slash morning toast. $7.99 gets you five extra episodes every month. They're podcasts, they're vlogs, they're everything of the sort. And you also get access to our private members only Facebook group if you become a member. So it's really worth joining at this point. So much fun. This week, we also filmed a vlog

two weeks ago when we did our weekly episode, we shared with you guys something really personal to us, which is our love of Walmart. Yeah, it's something we've wanted to open up about for a long time. And you know, it was just the right time for us. It was the time and then you guys were so receptive towards that that you guys thank you by the way for being so supportive you guys support it goes so far and you asked us to do a walmart haul vlog which we did it also inspired another idea for a vlog uh because we went to a very special fast food chain after and like just watching us eat in the car like we are so big mukbang like we were being such animals we are so like hungry and just like i'm just so excited about the idea of drive-thrus you know it's not something we get to experience a lot in the city there is one drive-thru on like 11th and 34th street but who the fuck has time to go down there

so it is it was an experience for us and maybe something common to everyone else but we don't get drive-thrus and we take them seriously and i really do think like at least for me personally i'm glad that we have footage of our drive-thru experience because like i'm gonna re-watch that when we get back to the city and i just need to like live vicariously through a drive-thru moment and we're that spawned a drive-thru series for us which we're gonna film probably later this week next month probably because we're still here for the first half of September. So you'll still be getting vlogs from vacation. We have some really exciting things planned. So head over to patreon.com slash the morning toast for all of that.

So much happened this week. There's a lot of Housewives news. A lot of Housewives news. We're going to talk about, let's just talk about the Dorinda in the room. Right. We're going to talk about her firing. It is a confirmed firing, by the way. Confirmed.

According to Daily Mail. Page six is now saying it so we recorded our new york recap before this where it was just daily mail reporting that she was fired but now page six is reporting it and i'm pretty sure it's a confirmed firing that's crazy so we talk about all of our thoughts on the episode and her departure in our tv recap segment we're also talking beverly hills potomac everything you want to hear and then of course joined by the Queen herself. Joined by the Queen herself. There is a lot of news though from the rest of the week that I look forward to getting into. But on a personal note how are you doing?

How is your inner peace going? My journey to inner peace did take a couple hits this week. I'm not gonna lie there were a couple things that really set me off and what's so frustrating about the journey to inner peace is that to get there, it's so much work. Like, it is so long. And once you get there, it can be taken from you in a matter of seconds. So I had a few instances this week where my inner peace that I worked really, really hard to generate was taken from me one time. Yes, it was taken from you. By you, sorry.

No. When you did my crossword. Oh, fine. I thought you were talking about the walk. And I refuse to let that be my fault so then the other like drama that we had this week was this hike that we took which like i have been walking um multiple times a week here just like trying to get my blood flowing and i do i know my limits and that's the thing as you should i know my body it's the blogger in me like i'm always listening to my body listen to your body and i always listen

to my body and i know what my limits are and there's a certain hike trail here where i know where i can go and then when it's time to turn back it is technically like one big loop it's like a two and a half mile loop but I walk for 15 minutes into that trail and then I walk 15 minutes back like that is my limit and we went on a hike um and the group decided to do the whole thing like while we were already started and I wasn't going to be like the sad person who like turned around so I just agreed to it even though I I did protest saying that it was not going to be good, but no one listened to me. And we ended up doing the whole trail and it was just a journey, like truly emotionally, spiritually. It was really fucking hard. We totally underestimated. We got like kind of

lost. Like it was, I tried to cut through, like it was such a non-peaceful journey for me that really shook up my inner chakra and totally like re dismantled my inner peace and my inner belief system in like in the world honestly I'm I'm sorry that that happened and Jackie was one of the people encouraging I just want you guys to know when everyone was like I had already done the loop earlier in the day so I went on your guys's walk thinking you were going to do the 15 minute thing which is the perfect cool down always my plan it's a perfect cool down for me that's what I thought I was going to be a part of and when you guys were talking about doing the whole thing i didn't want to encourage it one because that's like not really what i came to do

and but i didn't want to discourage it because just because i already went doesn't mean you guys shouldn't be more adventurous okay well so i legit said nothing and somehow i'm a co-conspirator well i don't know who to point the finger at because it all happened so fast but all i know is that my inner peace was taken from me and has yet to return. Has yet to return. And that's what I was going to ask you if you found other forms of inner peace. No. And we've been podcasting today, which is not not peaceful, but it just doesn't bring

me the inner peace that like my coloring and the nature does. But do you think that after we finish podcasting, you'll find inner peace because we like you'll feel rewarded? Accomplished. Accomplished. Like maybe, you know, and then you'll really be able because we like you'll feel rewarded accomplished accomplished like maybe you know and then you'll really be able to relax oh no well tomorrow we have like a shit ton to do yeah so we'll see i'm thinking my inner peace might make a return around the weekend yeah maybe on thursday you'll find some ip maybe your ip address will return maybe well claudia that's beautiful thank you i hope you find what you're looking for so i hope it's the same for you there's nothing better than a peaceful claudia it's so true and that's beautiful. Thank you. I hope you find what you're looking for. I hope the same for you.

Because there's nothing better than a peaceful Claudia. It's so true. And that's not me today. I'm ready to fight. And I hope you're, oh, we have some fighting to do today. Do we? Yeah, mostly with Jerry Seinfeld. Oh!

And I'm saving it for the last story so we can give all of our energies to it after we've covered the news. Because you guys. You know, Jerry steinfeld's a funny guy and you know i watch his stand-up and we have like the same shtick he doesn't like to leave his house you know all that stuff i never thought that i would disagree with him so wholeheartedly like he's not the man i thought he was no and i really look forward to getting into and ripping his op-ed that he wrote about new york city if you haven't read it don't't waste your time. It's literally 10 sentences long and it makes no fucking sense. It actually doesn't take

up that much time, but it's really good because at least for me, I saw his op-ed that he was rebutting a different article that New York City is dead, which I hadn't heard of before. So I was able to click on it and it just spoke directly into my soul. Obviously the negative article really speaks to us and Jerry's like attempt to being positive positive with just a lack of understanding of the world around him. Really frustrating. A lack of awareness and a lack of facts. And the other guy was dropping facts. And he didn't want to be saying what he was saying.

None of us want this to be the reality. Nobody wants it to be the truth. Nobody wants it to be the reality. But it's the reality. We'll get to it. People might not know what we're talking about. Okay. We'll get to it.

But there's drama. There's so much drama. But without further ado, it is time to deliver the past five stories that you need to know before you wake up and take a bite out of your morning toast. And by the way, I think I figured out actually what is really stopping my inner peace. And it's my RDH flare-ups. Get it out, sis. Get it out. Okay.

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seasons. The seventh season of The Real kicks off on September 21st. The panel will feature Garcelle, Lonnie Love, Janae Mai, and Adrienne Houghton. I absolutely love Lonnie Love. But back feature garcelle lani loved janae mai and adrian horton i absolutely love lani love but back to garcelle what a fabulous cast we spoke about tamara's departure and we were like coming up with ideas of who we thought would be her replacement and garcelle did not cross my mind i couldn't have dreamed up a better and i love the surprise it's like someone who i

love who i didn't even think of she was right there in front of me she was right there in front of us. This is obviously so exciting because we've come to know and love Garcelle from Housewives. I'm curious. I'm assuming she's going to stay on Housewives. To have a housewife who's on like a nationally syndicated everyday talk show where she's probably going to have to talk about Housewives. I find it to be so interesting. Oh, what I find interesting is that her schedule is so fucking busy.

She's always missing events. She was already too busy for Housewives now a daily show and the like being a host on one of these shows is non-stop it's like it airs so early you prepare all day then you have one the next day like it's so much work it's a full full full full-time job and it never stops like you're on all year except for hiatus so i really don't know how she can feasibly do this and housewives and all the other projects she was juggling that were already making it hard for her to be present on housewives she already didn't go to teddy's retreat and didn't go here and didn't go there right so I want to believe that she can do it all but I don't know and also even if she can't do

housewives say like because that just seems like so much I don't know how you do a show like um the real and then also produce and act and be in movies like she was doing on housewives because what you like you said this is a full full full time job actually you know that's a really interesting point that i just like breezed over that you made before it's like how can you be on a show i don't i can't think of any housewife who's ever been on two tv not scripted two tv shows at once housewives and like a talk show the only thing that's similar for me that i can think of is portia and her radio show oh yeah and it really added so much drama to the show because she would say things on the radio show that she then has to answer for on housewives

but a lot of housewives like go on the real when they do their press that's interesting yeah and if they i don't know if they recap some of the shows, but I do think it adds a layer of drama, which I just find so interesting. But Garcelle put out a statement saying, I'm thrilled to be joining the dynamic, bold, and diverse women on the award-winning talk show The Real. My love for pop culture and news, blended with my natural gift of gab,

has always made me gravitate towards a talk show environment. It's also exciting that it's happening right after my amazing time joining the real housewives of beverly hills that sounds kind of final yeah yeah no i can't i'm like loving her so much and we didn't get we've got none of her like we barely not enough and i feel like we really get to know her and her confessionals and they're so short and i feel like the real would basically be like a long confessional for her her confessionals are the best of garcelle finding out what she actually thinks of all the women i live for it i'll be upset if this is the job that she took i mean not upset but i'll be disappointed if this she took this job instead of housewives because i i really don't see a world where someone can do both it would be a first

unless she wipes her slate clean of all the other things then she could because also housewives is seasonal that's true and so is the real because they're not filming right now it's interesting i'll be very curious to see what happens i i feel like she likes being a housewife i think so too she's a great housewife she had a great first season she didn't even have to get so involved and make enemies but she has a great take on things and I think she she could be a real staple and I should be a real housewife yeah and I don't want to see I'm not ready for her journey to be over so I hope that it's not final even though it sounds

like that I hope that it's not final I love this casting like whoever's whose ever idea this was like needs a promotion fabulous selection can't wait to watch and like there was a lot of hype about who would fill the role and like i feel like the hype like my expectations were met yeah no i totally agree happens no at met exceeded i'm here for it i'm so excited same congrats carcel you deserve it and congrats to the real i'm just like having an amazing panel now yeah well they always did but you know yes okay next story so exciting a little happy baby news leah michelle gives birth to her son with her husband xandy reich leah michelle has given birth to her first child people reports sources told people that the glee star and her husband welcomed a baby boy on august 20th quote everyone's happy and healthy and they're extremely grateful

they quote an insider um stating about the couple um i literally turned to you like a few days ago i was like has leah michelle been pregnant for six years or what and i feel like this baby's over too really i feel like we just announced she was pregnant oh my god no i feel like i've been seeing like her instagram baby bump pics like forever maybe because i don't follow her oh i do that i don't feel inundated by it. She's been real quiet. And, you know, going through a cancellation, whatever your thoughts on Lea Michele are, is very stressful. And being pregnant is obviously not ideal. So I'm glad that baby's healthy and everyone's good

because that's truly all that matters. Truly all that matters. I'm very happy for her and her family. It's an exciting time. It is. I mean, you know, now the Gleek in me is like, you know, would she and Corey have had a baby? But you can't go down that road. It's too dark.

No, and every, you know, she's found her peace, you know? And you know what? As someone constantly searching for my peace, I'm happy for her. Yes, that's all you can hope for someone is for them to find their inner peace. So true. So true. Okay, next up, Paris Hilton opens up about the secret terrifying abuse she suffered as a teen. Paris has been in the news a lot because she has a new documentary, This is Paris, premiering September 14th on her YouTube channel.

I think it's like a YouTube original. I'm so excited. Me too. They've actually been selecting great people to do those YouTube documentaries with. I completely agree. I find her to be so interesting, fabulous. A close personal friend of yours. Oh, of course. Yes, that's why we love her. And so interesting fabulous a close personal friend of yours oh of

course yes that's why we love her and I just love a good documentary and I also feel like she could write a memoir soon well it's like remember um the American meme that was like a documentary about her and honestly I wanted more every time I get like a some sort of video about her or her life and you just see her in a different light than the one that she's always in yeah it's so interesting she's so interesting and smart even when she's on kardashians yes that's the thing that's so um why people i think are obsessed with her it's like obviously everyone knows paris hilton party girl heiress all that stuff but she's actually like so smart and that's what i think people um really liked about the American meme and now I think that

this is like a way more in-depth and I think the YouTube documentary space is the perfect place for her yeah it reminds me a little bit of like Jessica Simpson's memoir very similar like she also is so smart that's not what you would think of when you first think of her right but when you take the time to hear her story and listen to her you're like oh this person is so smart right and think about it Jessica Simpson has a billion dollar brand as does paris hilton they're very very similar but they get stuck into this like dumb blonde bubble yeah no and it's so offensive it's so offensive it's so simplistic it's so simplistic but back to the story okay in her new documentary the entrepreneur and reality star reveals for the first time the horrific abuse she says she endured as a teen while at

boarding school in Utah. Quote, I buried my truth for so long, Hilton tells People exclusively, of the mental, emotional, and physical pain she says she underwent while at Provo Canyon School in the late 90s. Quote, I'm proud of the strong woman I've become. People might assume everything in my life came easy to me, but I want to show the world who I truly am years before she became a household name on the simple life in 2003 hilton was a teen living in new york city's famed waldorf astoria hotel with her parents rick and kathy hilton and her younger siblings crazy also is the waldorf ever going to open back up oh no they like closed for renovations like five years ago and they said hi we're closing for a full year no one can stay here like literally obama used to stay there and

then they were like sorry you can't stay yeah no one the whole and it takes it's a hotel that takes up an entire city block and they never reopened no but like i i believe they must have plans to reopen because i haven't read anything that was like they're not reopening but it's been legit five years totally that's a very strange um i'm glad you brought that up she said along with the privileges of her big city life came big temptations quote it was so easy to sneak out and go to clubs and parties. My parents were so strict that it made me want to rebel. They'd punish me by taking away my cell phone, taking away my credit card, but it didn't work. I would still go out on my own.

Wait, literally? Like, we are all Paris Hilton. We are all Paris Hilton. Getting your phone taken away? Ugh, that was such a dark time when that used to happen. But that's like a real and good punishment. Like, I learned my lesson when my phone got snatched learn your lesson so she's been teasing this um youtube series like on her instagram

they've been promoting it a lot and there's like this big announcement like something she's going to reveal and she's been kind of hyping up the series with this kind of bombshell and i guess that this is it yeah she says that eventually her parents were fed up and made the decision to send their then 17 year old daughter to a series of boarding schools that claimed to focus on behavioral and mental development the last of which was provo canyon school where she would stay for 11 months almost immediately after she arrived quote i knew it was going to be worse than anywhere else the abuse she faced she says took place on a daily basis quote it was supposed to be a school but classes were not the focus at all from the moment I woke up until I went to bed,

it was all day screaming in my face, yelling at me, continuous torture. When people reached out to the school for comment, they responded, Originally opened in 1971, Provo Canyon School was sold by its previous ownership in August 2000. We therefore cannot comment on operations or patient experience prior to this time. Patient? Oh, that's so true students do yeah that's so interesting that's also crazy that the school is still technically open yeah not for long she said the staff would say terrible things they were constantly making me

feel bad about myself and bully me i think it was their goal to break us down and they were physically abusive hitting and strangling us they wanted to instill fear in the kids so we'd be too scared to disobey them three of her former teen classmates also appear in the documentary making similar allegations about the school including that they were often force-fed medication and held down by restraints as punishments oh my god by the way this is not a school no she said one of her classmates told staff that hilton had plans to run away she said she was placed in solitary confinement they would use that as punishment sometimes 20 hours a day that's what they do in prison that is so crazy crazy see that's the thing about Paris Hilton she's so

multifaceted like yeah she tells you one thing and then she has this whole story on the other side oh my gosh I had seen like the like Instagram headlines that Paris Hilton you know was opening up in her documentary about like abuse that she suffered as a child. This is just on an entirely other level. So she stayed there for a little, I mean, the documentary comes out in September, so we don't know everything yet. But I'm curious to know, did she tell her parents and they took her out? She said, attempts to tell her parents about the conditions at the school were fruitless. I didn't really get to speak to my family maybe once every two or three months we were cut off from the outside world and when i tried to tell them once i got in so much trouble i was scared to say it again they would grab the

phone or rip up letters i wrote telling me no one is going to believe you and the staff would tell the parents that the kids were lying so my parents had no idea what was going on oh my god that's crazy i mean to me it's like one of the most fucked up things in the world it's like when you hand your child over to someone like whether it's a camp or a school like a teacher and something terrible happens like to to me that's just like so i can't even imagine being a parent and having had that happen um this is so sad that's so sad actually that's something that we talked about in the last redheads episode because it's um an instance of sexual abuse at a boarding school and it's like not only are these institutions in place to like

protect children but when something does go completely and utterly wrong when the institution itself completely fails the children again by letting it go you know unpunished or you know letting it happen again and again usa gymnastics hellonastics, hello. Right. It's like. It's like when these institutions are not only created to protect children, not only when they do the opposite and then they literally get no justice. Like, it's so fucked up. Like, those are the stories that, like, make my blood boil. Yeah.

It's so crazy. Not to mention that this quote unquote school was probably like $100,000 a year. Right. So that's what you're paying for. Right. That's terrible. Oh my God. And how interesting.

I wonder if she still keeps, are any of the classmates like famous or? It doesn't say, but we'll hear from them in the documentary. That's so interesting. I mean, I never went to like a boarding school or like a military school, but I've always been fascinated. Maybe it's like the Zoey 101 in me. I'm just like. Yeah, I think there's a, I think there's a difference between boarding school. This is a behavioral school. They even call, they literally call the student a patient. That's crazy. This is probably more similar to a military type school. Yeah. But even military schools, like regular ass military schools aren't like this.

Like they're like the military. Yeah. They're strict. Yes. But this is abusive. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah.

Really crazy. Really sad. But I look forward to hearing more of her story in the documentary and always getting like a more well-rounded picture of a person who I admire right and you know she's had such an interesting life and the more we learn about her through like these types of documentaries it actually makes sense like how and why she ended up here like why she was a party girl like she was rebelling you know she was out every night when she was 21,

which we consider like the golden age of like paparazzi pictures, like her and Britney Spears in the car, you know, but it's like, it was very much a reaction to things that had happened in her life. I don't know. I just like, I just am obsessed with her.

Yeah. No obsessed with her as well. And I think a YouTube documentary is really the perfect format to hear her story. She's had such a long career, even just reading that the Simple Life was in 2003. Like, we're almost 20 years out. Wow, 2003. I mean, it's not shocking if you've recently watched it.

It looks like it's from the 70s. It's so blurry. I know, but the, like, jokes and the one-liners. I mean, like, we literally just posted something from Simple Life. No, their content will never not be evergreen. Like, it's relatable no matter what time we're living in but it is really crazy if you think about how long she's been around and at the top of her game like i would still consider her one of the biggest celebrities in the world and i thought that even when she was 17 yeah for sure so i hope kim makes

a an appearance in the documentary oh that i mean their friendship is also another reason why she's so interesting it's like when you think about all the important pop culture moments like in the documentary. Oh, I mean, their friendship is also another reason why she's so interesting. It's like, when you think about all the important pop culture moments, like in the last 20 years, Paris Hilton has really been a part of them. And you can't say that without the Kardashians. No, you can't.

She also said in a recent interview, Paris said that she decided to freeze her eggs because Kim inspired her to. No way! Yeah, she said she introduced me to her doctor and I was so inspired by her to actually do it. I think every woman should do it because you can really control it and not have that oh my god i need to get married see i love their friendship love it like those loves it loves it that it's

just you know it is it's hot it's so hot so hot so hot i just i will i love reporting on stories on her um just because she's a fabulous interesting gal and a good time yeah totally agree well we'll keep you posted when we watch the documentary it will be very interesting except youtube documentaries sometimes they release them episodically is it a series like the depth it okay there's a chance it's like a two-hour documentary and it's just like a one-time thing that's what the demi lovato one was and that one was really good you guys sorry theo's like scratching the bed he wants what are you doing he's he's being a mess oh my god you're fucking working he's being crazy hi is everything okay he's you know honestly i feel like he's feeling neglected okay he's calmed down okay so yes demi lovato's was a two-hour documentary but

justin bieber's was like a tv show and they released episodes like every week or theo's trying to say like he loves paris because she so, she's such an animal rights activist. Yeah, and he's actually seen her dog's playhouse on Instagram and he's jealous. And he's like, mom, why won't you build me that? Why won't you build him that? I'm like, Theo, let me podcast so I can make some money to fucking buy you a house.

Right, so stop running amok, little man. Yeah, so I don't know if it's a series or a movie, but I will 100% be watching this. Definitely, same. It's nice to have something to watch these days. Actually, I'm gonna start Yellowstone. Oh my God, yay! i don't know if it's a series or a show uh movie but i will 100 be watching this definitely same it's nice to have something to watch these days actually i'm gonna start yellowstone oh my god yay yeah because you've been bothering me about it and then kelly clarkson was on twitter talking about how she loves it so like she would love it it's so fucking good i hope i've inspired some others to watch yellowstone i'm a little behind i'm actually in the um shit what's the name of

the group there's obviously a group for ranch toasters oh ranch toasters and i'm in it and i've been like trying not to look at it because there's like spoilers i'm a few episodes behind because i haven't been watching here but i look forward to catching up um also things we're catching up on i just wanted to mention that i started the um finding freedom harry and megan did so when we went to walmart if you watched our patreon i bought that book spoiler alert spoiler alert i've been looking for like a celebrity book to read but there aren't a bunch on the market right now so it's either that or demi moore's book and i went with finding freedom i just wanted to know like i actually think that you made the wrong choice well no i disagree because i now want to talk about it and i have something to say on the podcast so for that it's

worth it but let me just let me because you want to know why we spoke about it and we were like is this propaganda or is this like a true story and they say in the book the crown is not allowed to give official like seal of approval to biographies or books written about them but just know that like we are very they basically said megan gave us the approval even though she really can't and they're doing she probably did like yeah of course no they're not like okay but in the in the hardest way ever they are trying to make this entire story um seem so happenstance it's like and megan just happened to be here and she happened to fall into harry's lap like it's but what they're not realizing is they're actually making it

they're giving gravitas to the people who think that like megan markle's so calculated and like she fought her way to get to harry and it was all a plan and she wanted to destroy the crown like they're they're not realizing that they're actually making her out to be like quite calculated like she just when she took this trip to london that's where i'm at when they met it's like she did everything in her power to meet powerful people and it's like and then she had lunch with this person that's when she had lunch with pierce morgan and lunch with this and then dinner and they were describing these people royal started soho house like all these like fancy famous people and then she got the date with Harry and it was just like it's not happenstance but they're trying to make it seem

like it's this whimsical journey right but it's not and part of the book that really bothers me is they just act like everything she does is like heaven like okay ready so um their time to show she's always been philanthropic and like philanthropy has always been like a really core part of her childhood. And they just go on and on about how when she was in a sorority, you know, she did a dance-a-thon. And she was always, you know, using her sorority for charity. And I'm like literally every girl in the world has done a dance-a-thon. That's what a sorority is.

It has to be philanthropic. They all have a philanthropic arm. No, so they were just making it seem like. That's so crazy. Yeah. That's like when you had your resume and you're like. Yes. Oh my God, that's crazy. So they were just like stretching so hard.

I don't know. I mean, I'm only like 30 pages into the book. I do like it just because, see, I don't really know Megan. And there's like this divide. People are like, is she calculating la la la? Or did all this happen to a nice girl? And like, is it all whimsical fairy tale? And while the book is kind of making me feel like it's somewhere in the middle, I do feel

like she has that Markle sparkle. Because even when they talk about her career, like she was not, even at the height of her career before Harry, like suits, like, okay, she had a supporting role on a cable show, not even like a good cable network USA. But she just like kept getting places and meeting these people. And because people were like taken by her, you know, she had that sparkle. And that's what's interesting. It's like, was she the most talented actress in the world no but she was really one of the most beautiful and she just had this like charisma about her that all these like famous people like wanted to be her friend even before she like even

when she became friends with Serena Williams they just like met at a Super Bowl party like she had something and that's interesting yeah and that can't be replicated no that is so important actually reminds me of this month's redhead spoke because the main character um kate and brightside she has that it's like you feel you're a better smarter more interesting happier funnier person around her right and that's what i'm getting from the book is that she had that markel sparkle in her eye yeah okay it's officially the Markle sparkle yeah but it's I but I do think it's a little bit of both I think the way people feel about Meghan Markle on both sides like there's truths in all of it I see it

and I think it's also interesting knowing that she gave the green light for this book and that she probably told them everything that's written in it oh I mean and therefore you have to take it with a grain of salt but it is interesting to hear how she wants to be portrayed yes exactly and wait by the way um giving her seal of approval like they're they say like Megan can't officially give her seal of approval but they literally have direct quotes from her and Harry sitting in their bedroom five years ago you know what I mean like what how did you know that oh my god that's crazy a one friend recounted about something that literally happened 10 years ago like who the fuck knows that it's just very specific the book is really like a compilation of quotes.

Oh my god that is so crazy. Quotes. Yeah and they love to do yoga in the morning. I think I'm gonna read it after you. Yeah no it's cute. If you finish it by next week's episode. Oh. Or the week after.

Maybe. Okay an episode while we're here. Yeah yeah yeah. Then I'll read it right after and we can recap it together. Yeah it's just um even if it's like full of lies it's like a beautiful fairy tale. No sometimes it's interesting like what lies people want to be told. And I think what's interesting is just, like, all the famous influential people who got her to Harry. Yeah.

Like, who are these people? Also, it's, like, if you look at the book through another lens, it really is, like, a chick lit, like, fan, like, exciting romance book. Yeah. About a girl. We just, we read a book like that for the redheads. It's fiction. It's good. I like it. That's so funny. Okay, cool. Next story, big story of the week, Lori Loughlin and her husband Massimo Giannulli get prison time in the college admissions scandal. Actress Lori Loughlin will serve two months in prison and

her husband, fashion designer Massimo Giannulli will serve five months after the couple pleaded guilty to conspiracy charges in the college admissions scandal. A federal judge on Friday accepted plea deals from the famous couple in a video sentencing hearing. After initially vowing to fight the charges, Laughlin and Giannulli reversed course after a judge denied their motion to dismiss the case in May. Prosecutors said the couple paid $500,000 to secure their daughter's admission to USC by masquerading them as fake athletic recruits. I mean, I can't believe like this saga has ended, you know, like for the most part, like she still has to serve her sentence, but the trial is over technically for her and for Felicity. I feel like this is a light sentence. I feel like the prison

that Felicity Huffman went to and the type of facility that Lori Loughlin is going to go to are not like maximum security federal prisons, like she'll be fine um I just think it's crazy that like one they actually got sentenced and like two like she's actually going to jail like when Felicity Huffman went to jail I was like this is so crazy and Lori Loughlin pled not guilty and they did all these things to delay it and I really thought that all that legal you know maneuvering was actually going to get her no prison time. Yeah. On the one hand, it does seem like a short sentence. But on the other hand, at one point, I actually thought she might evade prison completely

because they were pleading not guilty. I thought that they might find a loophole. And coronavirus. Like people who are in prison are getting out. So I thought that maybe they would get off sort of scot-free but to hear that they're doing time and it's five months for massimo two months for her i wonder if it's going to be like theresa and joe like they serve at the same time because but they don't have kids who are like under 18 so i think they can actually serve at the same time yeah i

think it's probably better to serve at the same time well yeah it gets over like theresa and joe's thing lasted four years because they did back to back because their kids are so young yeah but then it's also good for them that they didn't have to go at the same time because yeah it gets over like Teresa and Joe's thing lasted four years because they did back-to-back because their kids are so young yeah but then it's also good for them that they didn't have to go at the same time because then their kids would have had no one at home yeah the two years but it does drag it on yeah each scenario is different we'll keep you guys posted on when they are called they also had like a hundred and fifty thousand dollar fine which is like nothing for them um she'll be fine yeah and I'm sure some part of them is is happy to put this chapter behind them then they'll serve their time and this is just getting everyone closer to closing the book on yes really crazy big story cultural moment i whenever i hear updates in

this i always think like how much closer are we to olivia jade bringing back her youtube channel you know and i think this brings us closer she's, but she's back. No, she, like, brought it back and did a video and then was never to be seen again. She did a few videos. She did something I bought a bronzer from. She did a bunch of videos. She did, like, two. She was on TikTok with her mans. Yes, but she hasn't been, like, consistently influencing since all this went down.

Yeah, I'm sure it, she wanted to wait. It's been eight months. I actually think that now that the legal portion is over, she will come back in a more permanent way. Because I'm sure it was annoying for her and annoying for her fans for her to not talk about the thing that's going on in her life. Of course. And she did mention in one video how she, like, can't talk about it.

But she did come back eight months ago, dropped two videos, and was never to be seen from again. Interesting. Okay. I do. You're right. Maybe there will be seen from again. Interesting. Okay, I do, you're right. Maybe there will be some word from her now. Maybe.

I don't know. I feel like in so many, it's so crazy because it's like, it really has nothing to do with her because it's about her mom, but it was like her going to college, you know? Yeah. So it is about her. I wonder if she like had to go to court or anything. I don't think so.

I don't think so. Because everything in that case was really public so we would have seen her go to court i mean to me like the the most confusing and unanswered part of this whole college admissions scandal is what happened to william h macy felicity huffman's husband didn't get charged didn't go to jail she took it all he probably wasn't on the emails maybe that's that mean like that's just a crazy coincidence yeah like maybe he used her computer that's crazy yeah yeah like he was just kind of left out of the whole thing there are those paparazzi pictures of him like meeting her at court once and he looked like so verklempt but other than that he's been excluded from the

narrative yeah interesting i'm sure he's glad for it totally okay next up jerry seinfeld has written an op-ed in the new york times saying so you think new york is dead parentheses it's not jerry is responding to a linkedin article post post article who do you think this could go viral on linkedin yeah from a man named james alchuler it's called new york city is dead forever here's why so i first read Jerry Seinfeld's article, really short, really not thought out at all, just like his opinion that New York City will always be New York City because the argument that things are going to become remote, you're going to be working virtually, doesn't work.

Look at Silicon Valley. They could do things virtually. That was the worst analogy. But they choose to all be together because you can't, you know, you can't mimic that type of interpersonal communication remotely. You want to hear a quote from Jerry. You know why you can't do all that? You know, basically, what are you saying?

You know why? There's no energy, says Jerry. Quote, energy, attitude, and personality cannot be remoted through even the best fiber optic lines. That's the whole reason many of us moved to New York in the first place. You ever wonder why silicon valley even exists i have always wondered why do these people all live and work in that location they have all this insane technology why don't they all just spread out wherever they want to be and connect with their devices because it doesn't work that's why oh my what a bad analogy like i really don't want to rip into jerry seinfeld because he's a

nice guy who means well but like first of first of all, Jerry, this article, your privilege is showing. Like, I can't. Like, first of all, to compare what his experience living in New York the last eight months is like, to compare it to anyone else's is just so outrageous. We all know celebrities live in this bubble. But Jerry is a part of a very elite group of celebrities who are mega rich like just because you're a celebrity you have a couple million dollars like that doesn't mean you're like rich rich rich he is rich forever yeah he is one of those celebrities his show seinfeld like

he made 500 million dollars he will never have to work again he makes 60 million dollars for a netflix special that's an hour like he is on another planet of wealth so to even compare or even try and relate to what people in new york have been going through who like live in rentals and don't have 500 million dollars in the bank is borderline insulting and him making fun of people who have gone to florida or tennessee or anywhere else in the country you know saying their pastel filled lives like what he doesn't realize is what you pay for in new york city is the experience of city. There's absolutely none of that. When you're a person living in a one bedroom apartment with your family and you're paying this premium to live in a city that no longer exists in the way it once did, you would be a fool not to leave. No. And to dismiss people who have left as like not real New Yorkers and

people who like gave up on New York. It's like, no, actually, Jerry, these people have kids and lives and bills to pay and it's not feasible to live in New York, and it's not enjoyable anymore. I don't know if, Jerry, you've stepped out of your $50 million apartment to see what's going on in the streets. I'm sure he's been in the Hamptons this entire time. Of course. Oh, my God. Like, of course.

But, like, to... This whole article lacked a real understanding and just kind of dismissed what people are going through in New York, and it's like, it's impossible financially to live in New York. The taxes are going to go up the city is just insane it is so filthy there's public urination everywhere there's

so much crime you can't leave your house after dark like we're not being dramatic this is the reality of what's going on in New York right now as a result of all the shit that's gone on in the world and it's nobody's fault but don't deny it and say it's not happening right and to act like we should stay here because there's this energy that can't be replicated no second tier cities or tier two cities but they're going to replicate this sort of energy a place where you can live and and have a yard and and be able to go outside and be private you can't go outside in new york city the mayor just said that he's not going to open up indoor dining until 2021 you that means once it gets cold outside there will be no restaurants like

there is absolutely and he makes it jerry is saying that this writer is just upset he can't go to the theater this writer owns a stand-up comedy club where he can't make a living make a living and he even said that he tried to he did a social distanced um comedy night and they got shut down so what is a person like this supposed to do and jerry seinfeld i'm sure now it's like yeah you your comedy special is virtual i'm sure you do zoom fundraisers like i'm sure you're living large but if you're a comedian who hasn't made it yet and you rely on you know open mic nights and doing stand-up comedy and there's absolutely been none of that for the last six months how are you making any money you have to move like and you have to move so this article

basically was so short and weird and it just really dismissed the concerns of a lot of working people who are struggling right now and just hearing it come out of jerry seinfeld's mouth i think was meant to be inspirational but just came off so elitist and like jerry you have no idea what's going on in the world and when i first saw the headline for the article i was kind of relieved i was like oh wait new york city's not dead okay cool let me show you here why that's exciting because it's really fucking sad to know that you live in a place that's not going to come back for years for being generous for at least five years and that's me being um like conservative kind kind so I've read his articles probably 15 20 sentences of pretty much nothing no facts I clicked on the article of the one of the guy he's rebutting, the guy he called a putz.

The article is so in-depth, using stats. Did you know that according to Yelp, 60% of restaurants in the United States have closed? Wow, that's terrible. Jerry, what do you have to say about that? What do you say to restaurateurs and people who are working in the service industry who have lost their jobs?

You know, Jerry's article was not rooted in fact. It was rooted in feeling. It was his emotion. I don't care how much you love New York. It fucking sucks. Yeah, no, and that's not a political statement. It's just the truth. And you know what?

When I first read Jerry's article, I was like, okay, I disagree that New York sucks right now, but I agree with you that it can come back. Because we've been saying, like, New York is dead, but it's not going to be dead forever. New York always bounces back. But when I clicked through to the other article this guy had written, he completely convinced me it's not coming back. He wrote in his LinkedIn piece, he said, now it's completely dead. Quote,

but NYC always, always bounces back. No, not this time. But NYC is the center of the financial universe. Opportunities will flourish here again. Not this timec has experienced worse no it hasn't so he talks about how all of these things new york city has experienced worse when crime was really bad or when there's a war going on but at that time there was still business and opportunity yeah and things happening in the city culture and now there's none of that wall street doesn't need to be on wall street the culture the food that people would have moved to the city for there's none of that. Wall Street doesn't need to be on Wall Street. The culture, the food that people would have moved to the city for, there's no restaurants open. The article, the original article, says that three of the most important reasons people moved to New York City are business opportunities, which now are completely virtual, remote, can be done from anywhere. Culture, which no longer exists.

There is no theater. They don't have plans to bring back Broadway until 2021. they don't have plans to bring back broadway until 2021 and even when they do it's going to operate at less than 50 capacity what theater can make money and stay in business under those terms in new york which is such an expensive place to own a business right how are you going to pay your performers when you're bringing you haven't had shows right by then it will be what 10 months yeah and you're operating let's say 50 It's such a tough industry to begin with. Yeah, no, no. And also the third thing that people move to New York City for

is the food, which without restaurants... Right, it's just roach-infested kitchens. Just, I don't know what... I think Jerry was trying to be, like, hopeful and aspirational, and he just came off, like, completely... Tone deaf. Tone deaf and unrelatable, and, like, just the dismissive nature of his words

towards people who are just doing the what they think is best for their families and for their financial freedom and in order to survive it just felt so um tone deaf that's the perfect word for it and the article to me it felt really cruel like first of all this guy who wrote it i've never heard of him he's a former hedge fund manager jerry opens his piece by calling him some putts who uh he said some punts putts on linkedin wailing and whimpering everyone's gone i want 2019 back i can't and then there's like the new york post writes an article saying jerry seinfeld slams writer behind viral new york city is dead forever essay i'm sorry he didn't rip a thing is anything he made this writer's article more compelling yeah to be honest i'm sorry he didn't rip a thing is anything he made this writer's article more compelling yeah to be honest i'm curious what actual new yorkers think because i saw the the media pick

up jerry saying like jerry annihilates poor linkedin man and honestly i read both articles and i thought the exact opposite like i thought his was well thought out and jerry's was just like a bunch of notes in his phone um i'd be curious to hear what actual new yorkers think like speaking of what do real new yorkers think we are real new yorkers yes claudia and i were just talking about this not only have we been in the city the entire time this was our first time leaving but as much as we're self-hating new yorkers we've lived in the city for 10 years we grew up on long island i went to college upstate i have touched every corner of this great state we all went to college in new york and we are true new yorkers we are true New Yorkers. I've been in every corner of this great state

and I have to tell you that staying ain't great no more. No, and that gives you the right to criticize it. And certainly this city ain't great. Actually, the rest of the state seems to be doing all right. Yeah, because we haven't been there. But I just think like the whole article really wrapped up what we started talking about at the beginning of quarantine

where it's like celebrity voices right now are just so unnecessary and they're really highlighting like how celebrities live in a different world and jerry's article did just that a hundred percent i completely forgot about that part of quarantine where celebrities just became like irrelevant human beings roaming the earth who were accustomed to living on a different planet and now we're like down here with the rest of us and we don't want to hear from you. But that's exactly how I feel right now. I don't feel comfort, solace, relatability from any celebrity right now, especially not though not someone who has a three foot parking garage on the Upper West Side and is telling me that New York is a great place to be.

And who has most likely been in the Hamptons the entire time or some country house that he owns. I just it really put a bad taste in my mouth for Seinfeld. Sorry, Jerry. It put a really bad taste in my mouth, too. And like I was looking on Twitter to see what other people were saying. And obviously, like the first tweets that come up are like from verified people who are trying to find like profound quotes. You know, like when they tweet, the text of the tweet is like a quote from the article that's meant to be profound, but's nonsense and then the article like jerry hit the nail right well that's the other thing it's like

i'm no english major but i know that this is not well written and it was so short no it was so short and it's like if you want to come for this guy who wrote a really fucking it was really long it took me a long time to read it we were like waiting to go on a walk i was like wait i gotta finish yeah what's his name james. I got to finish James's article. Yeah. If you want to come for an article like this, go point for point. Yeah. Point for point.

He was just fighting facts with like the way that he feels. Tell me how if even though only 40% of restaurants in the U.S. are under operation and New York City is a cultural center for food. Tell me how that that is not impacted. No. And how the city is not impacted. No, and how- How the city is still great. And how business owners, restaurant owners are supposed to stay here. Yeah, what are we supposed to do?

No, it makes no sense. It makes no sense, so- Sorry, Jerry, this is not it. Sorry if you read Jerry's op-ed and you felt moved by it in any way. It's not rooted in fact. It's lovely, this idea. We'll come back. Sure, sure, sure.

But can we be real for a minute? Because that's not how it seems. No, that's not how it seems. No, that's not how it seems, and there's not one plan, not one even idea of a plan in place to help New York come back just to continue this tumble into despair. So it's actually only going to get worse, Gerald, and I hope you enjoy the Hamptons while it does. Yes, do let me know how the weather is out there.

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spelled your name j-a-Q. Ooh, sexy. Are you Luann's fiance? Jacques. Jacques and Claude. I hope you're enjoying your well-deserved time off. Thank you. We are, thank you.

Yeah, we really are, thanks. I have a quick and dirty Dear Toasters. Today I had a Zoom meeting with my coworker who I have a great

relationship with. We always talk about non-work when we do connect and we are really close. She's a fellow female leader at a huge software company I work for. Anyway,

I had my iMessages pulled up on my computer and was clicked on the messages with my husband i had just sent a boob picture to him he was gone for a couple days honestly not super slutty just laying on the couch when it was fucking hot without a shirt on and my boobs are nothing to write home about anyway you know where this goes i shared my screen on the zoom and did not click out of iMessage so she maybe saw the pic for 10 seconds i'm shook we both didn't mention it and just moved on but oh my god i have the worst pit do i text her and apologize oh please help thank you an embarrassed toaster oh my god see this is why i don't have a job and this is why i don't take titty pics this is why i don't put iMessage on

my computer this is why because you know what i'm sure it's really fucking convenient Claudia does it our whole family does it i love it you guys write in the chat sending links furiously when i need to send a link i need to send it from my computer to my email and add it to my iMessage on my phone and yes it's annoying and i would love to have iMessage on my computer but this is the thank you for reminding me if i almost slipped up and added it thank you for reminding me why i don't you're missing out it's such a fabulous feature okay so the price to pay is your co-workers seeing your jokes. Yeah, I mean, screen sharing is a huge responsibility, and I never do it. Right, and if I were the once in my lifetime that I will share my screen, like, every app will be cleared, forced, quitted, and there will only be the one up on the page. And

maybe you share your screen too often, so, like like you forgot what a big burden it is it's such a burden but and i'm not i'm not saying like you should have done this or you should have done that you know what i'm sure like people share their screens all the time and people have i message on their computers all the time and people send their tits all the time and it's not all the time that this happens and i'm honestly really sorry that it did i think you gotta pretend like it didn't yeah no i think in terms of this actual situation it's terrible that it happened but you've moved on no one ignored it just keep just keep ignoring it like yeah and like obviously she definitely saw it she's writing into her podcast that she likes

saying i saw my co-workers tits what do i do do i say something i wonder what podcast her co-worker listens to yeah hopefully they advise her not to say anything we'll advise you not to say anything and then it's just like a funny story you can each tell at dinner parties yeah i think it's it's not i mean she might report you to hr but then she would be a narc and it seems like you guys are friends so i think you're good yeah and also like she could report you to hr but it's not obviously not like you did it on purpose you guys are friends i think she would know that and then like if she reports you to hr for that then it's like she's being cruel to you yeah because obviously that was something personal for you to have to deal with as well would you in this situation would you rather be the girl who saw the boobs or the girl whose boobs got seen i mean the girl

who saw the boobs obviously but it also like just depends on the boobs yeah like i actually like don't like my boobs so i definitely want to be the other girl yeah of course okay next up hey jackie and claude hiya darn hiya darn i hope you're enjoying every second of your much needed and deserved break but thank you so much we're having such a great time but i'm thankful that you chose wednesdays as your day to air as i have quite the predicament i'm not sure exactly how you'll be able to help me give advice but hopefully this is for sure sorry i read the sentence so weird i'm not sure how exactly you'll be able to give me advice but hope this is for sure. Sorry, I read the sentence so weird. I'm not sure how exactly you'll be able to give me advice, but hope this is for sure a sign I need to express my feelings as I'm kind of in love with my best friend. I'm gay and he's, insert air quotes, straight.

He has a girlfriend, but they're more like roommates with completely opposite schedules. Him and I only hang out when his girlfriend isn't around because he claims she doesn't like me. And all we do when we're together is bitch about her. Every time he and I hang out, he always makes elaborate dinners and serves me the best drinks. I feel like I'm on a date every time and there's always an awkward tension in the air. There's been many times when he's asked me questions about my sexuality, which I'm totally open and cool with. But one time in one of these conversations, he told me he sometimes feels like me and conveniently backtracked when I tried to dig for more information. I can't tell if he's crushing on me slash dealing with his own demons or is just genuinely being an amazing friend truth be told I kind of have a crush on

him and have for a while so I wouldn't be too mad if his flirty behavior is just more than a friendly thing I'm not sure what should happen next love you both so much thanks for always giving the most premium content and most steamy advice sincerely a helpless toaster this is rough most gay people would advise not getting into a relationship with someone who's like straight like still figuring it out, even though they say it's a rite of passage, like as a gay person, but it can be very tumultuous because that person's going through a lot and then you're getting brought into that.

And like, you've already been on your journey. Like you're so happy in your sexuality. You almost might be taking a step back, but if you like him, you have to figure out if it's more of a crush or like you're really in love with him. Yeah. I think that that is really good advice.

like you're really in love with him yeah i think that that is really good advice and also figure out if knowing if you guys make become more than a friendship if that would ruin your friendship is if that's worth ruining your friendship yeah i feel like i don't know you didn't describe your feelings that much so i need to really know more about that because that's where i think the answer lies it just feels like maybe you're like smitten not like your head over heels like it's all fun when you know he has a girlfriend and he's making you dinners but then it's like you move in together and you're paying your bills like is that the person you want to be with right right i think it's the most boring and like answer and it's the one that's the least exciting but it's just patience and if this guy is feeling this way he needs to figure it out for himself and it's going to take time and he

needs to come to these realizations so i think just being there for him as a friend and ear for him and also to give advice on your own experience like would be really helpful for him and talk about it more yeah you need to let him figure it out for himself right you can't pull someone out of the closet so especially since he's in a relationship so first it means ending his relationship then it you know it's a whole process. Then it's coming to terms. And you need to be patient for him. But also I would say while you're doing that, focus on some things for yourself.

Get out there. Maybe by the time he's ready for you, you'll be ready for him again. Yeah, I think most seasoned gay men and women would tell you to run because it's so tumultuous and it's such a long and you're you're so far in your journey that i don't know i'm inclined to just ignore it but if you can't ignore the feelings that's on you you need to dive more into your feelings what are they identify them is it a crush you love him you want to be married or you just like think he's cute yeah there's a difference there's a difference all right third and final dear toasters hello jackie and claudia i hope all the campers and counselors are having a wonderful time on your vacation.

It looks amazing. We're having the best time. Thank you so much. The campers are thrilled to be here. The counselors are tolerating them. It's wonderful. Here's some background about my dilemma. I'm a toaster in my early 20s, engaged, and recently bought a house with my fiance.

I keep a super clean home, and I just love the feeling of an organized space, especially when I basically don't get to leave my house. Her fiance's mom comes to visit us a lot lot like a couple times a month for a weekend and generally it's great we're both close with our families and I'm always happy to have her recently when she's here the dishwasher finished while I was in the shower so she started unloading it very nice of her to do later I noticed she rearranged a couple cabinets I didn't think a lot of it but it was definitely a little weird then the next time she came came to visit, I went out to run an errand and she mentioned that she saw clothes in the dryer, so she put them away. Again, very nice of her to do, but then I saw she

rearranged my closet. She put stuff I use all the time away in bins and undid my color coordinating. When I asked why, she said, oh, I thought I'd help you tidy up. I'm a super clean and organized person when it comes to my closet. I've spent a long time getting it just right. To me, this really feels like stepping over a boundary and kind of like saying that she doesn't think my house is organized or that there's something wrong with it. Now, I know that the right thing to do is express this to my husband and have him talk to her.

But she takes these things really badly. Like if someone is quiet around her or asks her not to do something, she will literally say for weeks that they hate her and she's like super sad. She's really sweet and she and my fiance are really close so i don't want to cause a big issue but this made me really uncomfortable and annoyed what do i do she's coming back this weekend and i'm seriously about to put a lock on my closet because i can't and i shan't i just have to say you are so lovely for being so like nice about your mother-in-law staying in your house like for multiple weekends a month that's a whole month there's only four and in the

beginning i was like i'm so lazy if someone wants to you know do my dishes and rearrange my cabinets like i'm so here for it but going through your closet and it's already color coordinated that is like beyond fucking strange no it's a very like type a controlling mother-in-law thing to do like yeah like you know when a dog pees he marks his territory like yeah that's what she's doing so i just think you need to get a padlock and put it on the door i think you need to make it impossible for her to help around the house like stop leaving shit in the dryer stop leaving shit in the dishwasher like when she's around everything has to be done yeah take that away from her that's the stuff that like this girl doesn't mind her helping with you know but it leads

to her reorganizing stuff that is so rude i would literally never do that yeah i would or maybe you could say something like if you don't mind that she helps with the dishes and the laundry, which sounds fabulous. Yeah, it does. I would just be like, listen, Barb, I love what you've done with the place. Sickening. Sickening the Barb down. But just please don't go in my closet because I have a weird way of organizing things. And I have my outfits next to each other.

And like, I just, it makes sense to me. And if you don't mind just like not going in there thanks no i this is a job for the husband like no but the husband's not going to do it and like then his mom's going to be crying but for me like the best method of communication when it comes to like families and marriages is whosoever parent it is has to do the communicating but the thing is it's like i agree it should be their problem. But then you just, I don't know. You put them in the middle. They're arguing with you about the other person, with the other person about you.

And they're constantly. What is this girl supposed to do? Put a padlock on every cabinet and closet in her house? She can do the cabinets. She doesn't have the closet. No, but see, that's like to go into your house and like literally open a cabinet where the cups are. And like there's bowls there. Like that would drive me nuts.

Okay, but like does it look better? Doesn't matter. It's not her house. It's not's not her choice okay so then cabinets are off limits too you know she needs a literary padlock for all of them yeah i think you could try the husband route i don't think you'll get it's going to be effective and it's just going to like cause a rift between you and your husband and your husband and his mom and so you just need to put on your big girl panties and be like. No, I disagree. Because think about it from Barb's perspective.

She comes over, she cooks, she cleans, and the ingrate is complaining. Like that's how she would see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. So to her, she thinks she's doing a nice thing. And to normal people, it's like, get out of my shit. So you can't make her feel like what she's doing is inadequate when at the end of the day, like, she thinks she's helping. Yeah, so. I don't know where i landed i don't know either way barb's gonna be upset that someone told her to stop doing it and i think she'll be more upset if it comes

from her kin oh i totally disagree i think she'll be like oh the bitch it said it you know but like you know she's probably like oh this is actually swab this is actually a really like i actually don't know the answer i think that you pick your battles the dishwasher the dryer let it go for me i would draw the line at the closet and so if you can't get a padlock on there um i would just make up some bullshit excuse as to like your thing is organized by days of the week and you get it and it makes your process for getting work for easier in the morning some shit like that i'm standing with my first answer like make it impossible for her to do chores like when she comes don't do any laundry yourself more work you're punishing yourself yeah but then you're avoiding an uncomfortable conversation when she comes to the weekend no laundry and no dishes

hand wash everything okay wash your undies with wool light in the sink and hand wash your dishes and let them dry on the counter put your put undies in the dishwasher and your dishes in the laundry. Yeah, I like that idea. I think mine is best. Just make it impossible for her to help. Or just when she comes to visit, give her like a busy itinerary. No, or like when she comes to visit, make the house a shithole. Oh, yeah.

So she doesn't even have time to get to your closet. Yeah, or, you know, you could really use this to your benefit. Like don't do dishes or laundry the whole week. Then she comes and it's like, yeah, yeah okay your clothes are all over the place but you didn't have to clean all week you had a free cleaning lady yeah i think there's something to that there's something put her to work on like all these menial things yeah oh no like yeah give her projects yeah i like that yeah like my filofax needs organizing my rolodex is a mess yeah i think that's the way to go good luck i don't think we

gave very good advice there but um let's dive into our tv recap wait before we do though we've been watching some movies here that i just wanted to touch on and share with the class because we've been really like careful about the movies we've selected for the family to watch together and we've watched some really good ones so i just want to share them one was bad education we watched that like a week ago hbo max hugh jackman on hbo max it's about like a ponzi scheme in a town near where we grew up and it's fabulous i liked it so much such an interesting weird story alice and jenny like any movie she's in is just honestly perfection and i just love a small town ponzi scheme i really do i just love honestly any ponzi scheme this is like aka King. It's like a weird Ponzi scheme.

When you think Ponzi scheme, you think like... Bernie Madoff. Business manager. Jimmy Cooper. Embezzlement. Yeah, like you don't think high school. Nate Archibald's dad. But it's really good.

That was Jackie's recommendation. HBO Max? Yeah. Really good. I like that a lot. Really good. Then the other night we watched Murder on the Orient Express. Yeah.

And while... I'm not going to say all the way I recommend it to you guys, because if you guys put it on, you'll be like, what the fuck is she making us watch? I just want to say, I loved it. It was really highly dramatized. The production value was sickening to train down. All the different locations.

They were in... Istanbul. They were in Jerusalem. It was so stunning. It's set in the 1930s. And the sets were so beautiful. The costumes. The cast. It was a little like, kind of felt like Broadway.

Yeah. Overly dramatized. Overly dramatized. But I guess that's like the vibe of Attica the Christie. The cast was sickening the cast down. Everyone was more famous. I was like, who was that from? Where's she from?

Lucy Boynton. Yes. And I just want to say, I didn't know who did the murder on the orient express so like i was on the edge of my seat and i loved it and i loved like the end like the mystery yeah and the reveal and i love detective hercule excuse me i liked it a lot too um there's like no movie there hasn't been movies released for like the last eight months like the itunes home page is still showing me King of Staten Island like I need new movies no I know but I really liked Murder on the Orient Express it's the the newest one with Johnny Depp and so if you like like if you liked Greatest Showman yeah and you have

patience for a little bad acting yeah a lot you'll like it and josh gad was in it yeah also um everyone i don't know just like people um also the other movie that we watched two nights ago which really got me in my feelings was thank you no only the brave only the brave only the brave which is the uh granite mountain firefighters hot shot hot shot story which is a story that i hadn't heard and if you haven't heard it don't look it up yet because i actually liked being surprised by the ending but first of all i've always had but have so much respect for firefighters like it was just like a real tribute to the firefighting industry um it was also star-studded i was thinking i'm like because it's like this platoon of like 20 hot dudes oh my god if you weren't cast as one of these dudes like you are nobody you are ugly yeah

that's what i was thinking i'm like like, they had Taylor Kitsch, Miles Taylor, Josh Brolin, like, every... They had the guy, and I think you saw him on the screen, and you were like, what is he from? Yes. Rock Hudson from Hollywood. Oh, my God, yes!

He is so good. Yeah, so it was just, like, hot dudes in a fire station. Jeff Bridges. Oh, yeah, his character was a little annoying. Yeah, I thought he... Did a bad job. No, no, no, no.

I just thought there was gonna be, like, more to him. Well well it's an incredible story first of all and the movie was it was good you know i have some notes cinematographically but oh yeah it was it's a true story and it's it's a tough one to watch but i think ultimately it's like i didn't know this story it's a story that more people need to know and i think the best way to get these stories out there is through these high budget movies like this so while at times it can it was painful i think ultimately it's a story that we should all know yeah so that's all i'm going to say i don't want to give away too much it was really good great all right now let's dive into our tv recap segment which of course is brought to you by stamps.com as we

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either feeling infuriated just like the lack of logic in mostly dorinda's just like line of thinking and then i was also feeling bored there was so much like filler in this episode of things like I truly didn't care about like Ramona's therapy Leah's conversation with her mom yes I agree but I actually took away some things from like the therapy session and Leah's conversation with her mom whereas like sometimes it's really true nonsense and maybe because I like Leah and I'm interested by Ramona that I found it to be interesting but if it was like Dorinda's therapy session I just actually know that would be productive to the conversation also Dorinda announced this morning that she is no longer a housewife we will dive into her statement at the end of the recap of

this episode because you know she's making it seem as though she made the decision to leave and some of the other women are supporting that for her Daily Mail is claiming that she was fired I personally believe she was fired because I don't think that she would leave on her own accord. Why would she? I mean, she doesn't take accountability, so she doesn't feel bad for anything that happened this season. She filmed the reunion already, and I feel like if she thought she was going to be leaving, she might not show up for the reunion because then she would have to be held accountable for everything. And why not skip the reunion if you're not coming back?

Not showing up for a reunion is a luxury that only very rich housewives can afford because you are breaching contract and you do have to pay bravo and as we say many times on this show the real housewives of new york are not nearly as affluent as and a lot of them rely on the show as their sole form of income no no i didn't realize there was a monetary you're breaching your contract yeah adrian maloof did it she could afford it lisa vanderpump did it she could afford it not everyone can afford it yeah no okay so anyways we'll get into the minutiae of what might have happened there but we finished up in Mexico we start out with this fight between Ramona and Dorinda and um one I think Ramona needs to stop diagnosing everyone and like getting her physician's degree from WebMD yep and then letting everyone know

what psychological problems that they have because, that is so annoying and just irresponsible and unnecessary. Oh, and as someone who watches the show, I don't think that Doreen's problem is anger. I don't know. It's other things. I'm not sure. She doesn't blow up. She's actually so fucking dismissive and condescending. Someone with anger management would, like, literally get all riled up, scream, throw things.

She doesn't do that. Anger is not her problem. But her anger maybe doesn't allow her to see or have a conversation like she just i kind of denial it's like i don't i feel like i actually don't know her well enough to tell her what her problem is but the women seem to agree that it's anger so let's just say it's anger i was dead that luann thought that ramona sent the text by accident yeah um because like she should have but you know what i kind of like it's so funny because ramona really thought she was doing something helpful and that's the difference between ramona and dorinda like dorinda does things to hurt yes

while ramona is dead wrong she actually thinks she's helping no and she does hurt people in her attempt to help but that's not her intention right because she's wrong and she did everything she went about everything in the wrong way but But, like, in her heart, she thought it was the right way. She thought sending an article about Dorinda that Dorinda would read it. Yeah. And recognize something in herself. This is me. I have this.

She genuinely thought that. No, no. And the text was obviously, first of all, there were so many things wrong with the text. Like, one, an article. Like, what are you saying about the article? Can we get a follow-up message? Like, what was your point? But just remember that it's following up from that lunch.

Yes, of course, of course. Where it was like, you were angry you were angry the second thing um why everyone else needed to be in the group chat made no sense to me and i did side with remote i mean dorinda's so wrong like no i don't know any logical person who could take dorinda side now i'm just like investigating what i would have done and like pointing out what ramona did wrong like i don't think sending the text message was ever going to work but i did bad for her that it seems like everyone's really on her side and nobody backed her up. And it's like all the women went to defend Dorinda

at the dinner because they thought it was going to be a pile on, but it ended up being the opposite. It probably made Dorinda feel even more steadfast in her beliefs that she is right. Right. And you know what? There's really, what I realized is like, Ramona goes about everything in the wrong way

and that's why Dorinda doesn't receive it. Fine. But Luann went about everything in the right way with Dorinda in my notes literally Luann handles Dorinda perfectly oh in my notes Ramona is going about everything in the wrong way but Luann is going about it in the right way and she's still completely shut down by Dorinda so don't even start to say well if Ramona did this or Ramona said that Luann is trying treating literally treating Dorinda like a child like a child doing everything with kid gloves on and saying the right things and not going not yeah

everything's prefaced with like you know a positive and just trying to get her feelings hurt and Dorinda is completely unreceptive like she really does not know how to apologize or be compassionate and so it's a Dorinda thing and and I'm glad that we have that comparison because it's easy to just be like oh well it well, it's Ramona. She went about it the wrong way. Of course, she went about it the wrong way. Sending a group chat with an article like that is insane. And I also think as I love Leah, but she didn't need to be on the group text thread for a few reasons. One, she opted out of the conversation at lunch. She said she was not joining in. Therefore, she does not need to be in that conversation. And two, I feel like if Ramonaona sent it to the whole group it's more mean girl than just sending it to the people that she chose who were involved in the conversation and leah acting like ramona leaving her out of the text message is this bigger moment of like her not acknowledging leah as a true friend that's just wrong and i didn't agree with that at all yeah it wasn't and dorinda like harped on that like she's leaving you out she's leaving around it wasn't leaving her out she wasn't getting her involved in this messy shit that she already

said she did not want to be involved i actually thought ramona did her a solid by not including her i think i completely agree the conversation between luann and dorinda is exactly why dorinda is really unhinged like if you have a problem with dorinda bringing it up to her is you living in the past people can have a gripe with you if you did something to them this morning it's not the past and it's like we're talking about what happened on this trip so far you think that if Luann says you said this about me yesterday that's living in the past and I'm going to bring up your mugshot from two years ago it's not the same no and just because something happened this morning doesn't mean you've moved past it you haven't even spoken about it yeah it's just infuriating like I was really getting like my blood was boiling this

person like refuses of course to even acknowledge that they're even remotely wrong refuses to have a conversation about it and then just literally like make stuff up and she's always like looking for her next tagline that she's going to put on merch you know what i mean so it's like she doesn't even speak english yeah she's just like trying to speak in like sayings yeah no i totally agree and which is why the news that she's not going to be on the show anymore it was surprising because I do think she's a fan favorite but it was I was happy to hear it because we can't go on like this when one person is just being so mean to everyone else and there's you can be a little mean but like you apologize you own it you move on you'd be mean in a new way next time like but there's none of that with her and I feel like a lot of people are seeing this Dorinda exit

and thinking that it's going to be that Ramona's next. Mass exodus, yes. And then maybe Luann and Sonia. And I actually think the only one who's in danger of being fired is Ramona. Me too. Because I think Luann is a national treasure with her cabaret show, and she's finally, she really, she's the definition of, she owned up to what she did, she did her time,

and now she's, yes, she's drinking again, but in a more responsible way. Like it doesn't have to be all one way or the other. So I think that, and also I do feel like they're rebuilding the show now, or at least they should be around Leah. And Luann is a close friend of Leah's. I think Sonia, everybody is just like, she's so iconic New York housewife. Like if she's not on the show, what is the show? And by the way, she has literally turned into the most reasonable, logical, moral compass.

It's been an amazing journey to get here. What's crazy is she's actually got every season. Remember that season where she was the only one who had Bethany's back? And we were like, if Bethany ever turns on her, we will never forgive her. So every season we're so surprised. But it's again and again, like she is just like such a sweetheart. She really is. So I think if anyone else gets fired, it will be obvious that dorinda got fired i'm still not convinced i could

see it both ways dorinda has had the luxury of being on this show being an animal and not once getting called out about it and also being a fan favorite like from the moment she started people put her in icon status lisa rina status. People were obsessed with her. And to be honest, I never really got it, ever. No, me neither. And slowly... I was happy for them that they had someone, but I never got it. She started to unravel a little bit in the Puerto Rico Bethany thing, to me, which was her most top three...

Egregious offense. Turkey basters up there, too. Yeah. But one of her most egregious, unbelievable, unethical moments on the show, and I think people started to... But it never became fodder on the show like remember we went through like five seasons where literally every conversation was sonia an alcoholic and it was like she literally would stop drinking for years just to prove that she could do it that she's not an alcoholic and it's

like they did that with everyone they labeled everyone an alcoholic luann actually was an alcoholic like they get and it never came for dorinda she had the privilege of just only getting the benefits of the show people loving her doing whatever she wants never having to take accountability but now there's literally nothing going on in the show like you can't ignore Dorinda being the elephant in the room there's the it's the only thing to talk about there's only five women none of them are that interesting you have to talk about Dorinda and I could really see her not being okay with that and leaving but I do know that like this show is her her life she loves being a housewife it is her only form of income as far as i know like with instagram like the show gives her yeah yeah like

her aerobics it's all funneled through yeah the show and without the show so i don't see her stepping away from that no and i also think while she's never really gotten into the weeds and been held accountable like this she is a fighter and she if it if it came for her and i feel like she would only really hear it or receive it at a reunion when andy was like you know also saying but you did this and you did that with the clips i think that she could stand her ground i don't think she's one to like cower and give up and walk away so i i don't and even when her so when her initial statement came out i'll read it claudia and i were talking like do you think that she got fired it's written like it's her decision but they do let the production never admits whether someone gets fired or not which is like nice but it's so annoying yeah she said

what a journey this has been i have laughed and cried and tried to make it nice but all things must come to an end this was a great outlet for me to heal when my late husband richard passed away i have met so many interesting people and learned so much about myself about life and about women along the way she said to my castmates for constant simulation and entertainment i wish you all health and happiness and success then i saw this daily mail article but also you and i were talking about it you thought maybe she left i thought for sure she was fired i could see her leaving i i actually can't because like we said it's her income it's her livelihood and you know what she i think she would be able to take the bad with the good because the bad just came for her

and the good's been so great so by the way see i thought that too she gives off the vibe of like an animal who can defend herself but literally this entire season she's running from it she literally gets up and moves away from conversations that's also because she really thinks that she's right and these women don't know what they're talking about but i do think if it was a reunion type situation where someone she respects I don't think she respects Ramona or Sonia or Luann but if Andy were like no do not see this I think that she

would have some accountability and make some changes and I think she could get past it I really really do I can't believe though I mean I can believe but the time is here because it seems like Bravo fired her that's what the Daily Mail is reporting a production source told Daily Mail that it's a big mistake. We're all surprised, quote, as even though she had a tough season, she's a fan favorite who people are rooting for.

Quote, Dorinda was the only housewife left who both owns her own apartment in New York City alongside a second home in the country. You watch. This is an error that they will regret. Can I just say I'm almost positive she doesn't own her apartment yeah i completely know where she lives and i think it's a rental building yeah i don't think she owns her apartment in the city but that's also like not a reason to be a housewife and also what was with like literally her holding over everyone's head the berkshires like somehow they can't come for her because she invites them to their house every season literally like the berkshires was just as good for her character on the show as it was for like the storyline they don't owe her anything because she invites them to her house Ramona invites

the women to her house in the Hamptons Luann invited everyone to her house in upstate like that's not that doesn't get you a free pass no not at all she's just like grasping at straws and I think it's really crazy that they fired her and I just I'm what I have a feeling that it's not going to be the only change for the cast well that, that's how we'll know if she got fired. Yeah. But I think if I'm Ramona. I'm worried. I'm worried.

Also, Ramona might already know that something's happening. But I also think, like I was watching Ramona's, we were watching her therapy session. And that scene literally illustrates everything that's so wrong with her. So much, I had so much secondhand embarrassment. But everything that's so right. It's like, she's so cringyy but she's also self-aware of it she's really even in describing her cringiness she's being more cringy yes and it's literally so entertaining and even though she's not like the housewife you might want to go to dinner with right you they're watching it on tv like the

entertainment value it's really there. And like, she's been doing this for so long. I think if it were up to me, I would keep her. But Bravo does have a Real Housewives of New York problem. Like this was not a good season. We only had five housewives. None of them have any money.

Like we have a problem. No. And all of them just, it's this pattern of like, we are just going to drink heavily, let anything come out of our mouths, ignore it the next morning, and repeat repeat repeat and that's not that's not continuity that's not a season and that's not interesting to watch the women like literally behave like toddlers no toddlers like throwing food yeah screaming crying yeah running on like running somersaults on the floor yeah no

literal toddlers i don't know where we go from here like i don't even it's it reminds me of like when we got to that really stale place in oc like we're still coming out of it but it's like these women while they are iconic and we must pay respect like at some point you do have to move on and this season has really really just been terrible yeah well so i'm glad that they're realizing it they've made one change with dorinda i do think that taking out dorinda and adding two leah type housewives would be fabulous we but i'm sorry like we we need women with money i know i and i know i get so fixated on it but that's what this franchise is like it is an aspirational franchise and that's what makes beverly hills so fabulous that's what makes like when these women take trips yeah they shouldn't be surprised by the house that they're

staying in like when when the women of real house houses in new york go to mexico on their own dime they don't stay at anything even remotely close to what they do when the women of beverly hills go to rome they stay at nicer places than when they do when they film it shouldn't be this luxury yeah i agree also like i was showing you this tweet that was like oh vacation glam is so different depending on what franchise you're watching and it was uh doritos versace outfit and dorinda's pants from london those pants oh my god those pants those pants really sum up this episode this season yeah this season my my part that really bothered me in mexico was at that dinner which was just so dumb we got nowhere finally someone asked someone leah something interesting about her business and her partners and i actually wanted to hear it and then ramona's going on about the wine and like the way ramona once again it talks to staff is

just so abhorrent and classist and elitist and it's like can we go back to the leah conversation yeah do you have partners but also it was dorinda just asking leah about her business so she didn't have to talk about the group chat thing and whatnot but i agree it was interesting and i liked the scene where we saw leah and her business and I am assuming the show has been good for her business and I hope that we get to see more of it I wasn't like crazy about the designs that we saw no it looked like um like tour merch yeah but um I mean she's been doing it for 15 years I find it extremely interesting and I hope that it grows and that we get to see more of it I really do um I really felt a lot of pride and happiness for Sonia at her century 21 party like it is a big deal even though

now with COVID like I think century 21 is bankrupt but she did it it's a huge accomplishment and I actually love Sonia and I think if they're gonna do a big clean out like she has to stay she's looking so good in her confessionals she really teeters between being like this crazy you know drunk and also sometimes like so wise no and like so sweet and just a sweet soul i totally agree like when she's screaming about her pussy yeah in that hamptons house yeah iconic but then she's so marita yeah no i think she's great and i think that she can evolve with a younger cast she has a young spirit i totally agree and i also think that Ramona can evolve with a young cast because

she like weird she's so she drinks and she's up the next day and she's so active she's always flirting like I think keep up but then I also think she has that like Vicky Gunvalson energy where it's like if someone new comes in she's gonna haze them and even though it's like okay you're not gonna be anyone's favorite housewife when you're doing that it's gonna be interesting television yeah no I'll be very curious to see what happens um before next season like if they're doing a major shake-up if dorinda left on her own she didn't or if just dorinda was the only one who got fired which i don't see that i don't understand that strategy really watch the season i know i'm saying of course dorinda had to go watch the season one person needs to go but if it's just dorinda

i don't know what that does because we're still stuck in this like time warp where it's these women we're watching it's and you know what it is it's just like we're living in this like post bethany world where it's like we need we everything can't be in like the shadow of like what would bethany say if she was here remember when bethany was there for the win and bethany was there for somya and ramona came for bethany and they were on noodles we're living in a post bethany era right and so we need a new era we need to be in like the era of leah yeah we do we do you know so i think they're gonna make those changes but you also i think some people are enjoying this season so they don't need to revamp the entire thing like you know just totally start from scratch they're making little changes i hope they add two new housewives but like not someone even remotely similar to someone like elise like that is just

like what's so wrong with the show that she was an up-and-comer yeah when they did a preview for next week and we saw there's like elise drama i legitimately had forgotten completely about her if nobody had ever said her name to me again i wouldn't thought about think about her till the day i die you can't do like go back to elise drama actually after she wasn't even invited on the cast trip. Like that is just a relevant scene. So now we're back in New York and we're at the Married to the Mom party and we're going to talk about Elise. It makes no sense. Even though now in real life, like I know Elise and Leah are really close, which is so strange because I never even saw them really connect.

No, me neither. And I hope that doesn't mean that Elise will be on next season because I do hope Leah has some say. But I also I don't necessarily want Leah's friends because I don't think that they're housewife material Leah's like a once in a blue moon type of thing but someone like that who's on the like a Heather Thompson just someone with an interesting personal life great personality interesting business and just someone who can hold their own yeah I love Heather Thompson love she was like a Bethany Frankel in a lot of ways yes she was but while bethany was on the show it wasn't right for her they couldn't coexist they couldn't coexist i i actually really really liked her and her weird like she was weird but she owned it

yeah she was cool um so yeah that was it um except with all the tour stuff with sonia missing her oh i mean if you're gonna pay her 200 a show a show you're gonna get two hundred dollars you get what you pay for yeah but um i actually am continually impressed by luann's tour like even though like she had like those six guys singing sitting around at the rehearsal and like i looked at one of their computers and there was literally an email from delta airlines open so i don't know how hard working they are but like it is impressive that like she has this whole infrastructure and it's like when you see sonia walk into her Century 21 party with like literally her ragtag group of interns who like don't make a dollar and they're different faces every time.

She never has the same intern. It's like so not legitimate. And there's something really legit about Luann's tour. And it's really impressive. I totally agree. I'm here for all of it. And I look forward. I hope she's able to get her next tour off the ground soon.

Me too. Because I'm assuming she's on pause right now. And I've been. And I have to say, if you haven't, it a it's a good time well the new one's like different because it's like f mary kill and it's like a fully scripted show like i know that she read parts of the show that i went to which was the first show she ever did was scripted in the sense that she had like her journal with her and she read passages from her journal but there was a lot of like improv to it it was a little messy honestly and she had like this projector with a

video playing which she was just getting her bearings yeah every i'm sure it's they've got it down to a science now i'm sure the new tour is going to be good and i will be going very exciting all right let's do potomac okay this week potomac was not potomac at their best no but they laid the foundation they laid the foundation we just watched the preview for next week and it literally looks so good one we have monique driving a pickup truck. Two, we have Chris hoisting Karen in. Three, we have Monique's lake house. Four, we got Michael at the strip club.

Yeah, it was really the best part of the episode for me, the preview for next week. But it was still good. Honestly, the difference when we're recapping different housewives is the Potomac women could do nothing, but they're still interesting, just so much like their clothes. Even Giselle, looking at her house, her like that is interesting that was tragic no I I can't and some of the outfits that the women wore to Karen's birthday I mean Karen's housewarming who was your worst dressed my worst dressed was wait I need to just like think of everyone okay Giselle was not my worst dress Ashley was not not my worst dress. Wendy was up there, but no. Up there, but no. Candice is always cute.

No, Candice was my worst dress. Really? First of all, I just have to say, like, I have that. She wore, like, a white kimono over, like, this pink romper. Pink jumpsuit, yeah. I have the white kimono. It's from Forever 21. I wore it to Stagecoach.

And that's just not, like, what I want to see on my TV. Like, I think on their own, each woman was fine. But when but when you put them together it's like where are you guys going robin literally looked like she was going to celebrate the oscars new year's eve in las vegas like popping bottles yes and it's just confusing and like the women i'm realizing like the women of potomac like their style is some of the worst yeah of all the franchises monique obviously looked sickening like she raises the group average by a thousand. By a thousand. I'm so obsessed with her.

We didn't get that much Monique in this episode, but the stuff we did get was premium. So we have no choice but to stan. I guess some of the biggest parts was Karen and Ray and the housewarming and back to Potomac. That video imitation was so cringy. I can't. It's like you, Karen does so much like you want to hate. Like that was so cringy, the video. Her dance was so cringy. I can't. It's like you, Karen does so much like you want to hate, like that was so cringy, the video. Her dance was so cringy, but something about it is so endearing, like she's trying so hard and I don't know what she's trying to hide. There's something going on

with her this season where she's like, and Wendy's really the one calling it out. Like she's, for the last couple seasons, been like, this is how you kiss Ray. And it's like her marriage is an institution. And it's definitely a facade because we see it slowly falling apart. Like he won't say, I love you to her. Yeah. And he's like not involved in this party at all.

But she keeps saying the party's for him. Potomac is for him. She really is making it seem like, or maybe she actually thinks that like the party is going to bring them closer together. When to me, like everything she did like for the party drives them further apart.

It's all Kay, Karen, her. He wants to move to boca it's like a coming out party for a single woman and by the way i feel i understand where the divide in their marriage comes from if she wasn't on the show and their kids went to college they would have moved to florida and just kind of retired they are of that age but she's like 10 15 years younger than ray and now she's on the show she has a business and the show gives women new life especially women who grew up as housewives not grew up sorry who were housewives before they were on the show the show makes them business women in their own way and they don't want to stop and so while ray may be ready to retire

karen is not no and the world loves karen and the show needs karen and karen ain't going anywhere so if someone has to go it's gonna be right not the show that i mean the most interesting part of the episode shockingly came from robin even though she was barely in it. When she said you throw a housewarming party for a house that you're renting, I didn't even think that they most likely are renting that house. Yeah, which also makes sense because it seems like they have no clue where they want to be living. Yeah, so I guess the party was the most interesting part. The other kind of small, stupid drama was between Candace and Giselle. And I found it interesting that Wendy was the one to like rat to Robin

that um Candace had called her a monster but at the end of the day like Wendy has to get involved in some way she's been on the outskirts now for five episodes and she came in really in a difficult position as friend of Candace and Candace is on the outs and she doesn't have the opportunity to build relationships with everyone because she's Candace's friend yeah I actually loved the scene between Wendy and Robin I thought their friendship like just off the bat was really genuine and watching their kids play was really cute and even though it was a little uncool for wendy to share what candace had said she didn't come at it in a way like oh i'm gonna shit talk my friend like robin straight up asked her and wendy answered the question it's not like wendy came to robin

and was like this is what candace said about all of you no it seemed very normal right so if if robin had asked her and she was like oh i can't say that would make it seem like she said something so much worse than she did and candace calling giselle a monster on the list of things candace has said like isn't that big of a deal your concubine allowance yeah it's just with each episode like i'm just less and less interested in anything that comes out of candace's mouth and it's like how many times are we gonna watch her and her husband have the conversation about kids? It's just, it gets old and boring.

She doesn't evolve at all. I'm completely and utterly 100% done with Candace. Like, it's over. I really held out hope because she's there. She's cool sometimes and she's fun sometimes. But this season has just been completely boring. Her fights with the women, she's completely wrong. And the scenes, her personal life scenes do absolutely nothing for me.

Her having like a fake picnic set up. Yeah. Something that she would never ever do. Just like last week, she would never have gone to that children's boutique, not for the show. Having this like fake picnic to talk about fake kids that you have no interest in having. Like we see right through it. It's kind of like when Jennifer Aiden accusedissa gorga of like these fake storylines like the sister yeah and the um the having another child test yeah that's true just to have a storyline

for the season but at least melissa was thinking big like candace is thinking so small so she's either throwing her mother under the bus or talking about a fake child that she has no intention of having anytime soon i just have to be honest like i'm not interested i would rather hear chris tell monique that he'll pay for for anything she needs also while i agree candace is just so everything about it is just so fake and there's no substance there she is the one next week who brings the michael t so therefore she is integral yeah but of course like the way she's going to go about it is going to be completely wrong because just watching this week's episode i don't know why next week she brings it to giselle when giselle is the ultimate i mean she obviously brought it to giselle because giselle

is the ultimate posture but like if it were me and you're actually trying to be a decent person and get on good footing with ashley you bring it to the person who's closest with ashley right honestly this is giving me like beverly hills vibes where it's like something happened off camera what do you do with it it's like yes even though I'm sure that Candace was overjoyed to have gotten that text message. It is a burden because what do you do with it? Yeah. No. And and you have to do like Michael is part of the show.

He's fair game. So it must come up. But there's a good way to go about it. And I'm trying to think like who is closest with Ashley. Karen. Karen. No, no. Really? Yeah. Cand I'm trying to think, like, who is closest with Ashley? Karen. Karen. No, no. Really?

Yeah. Candace is closest with Karen. Yeah, but that's, like, a new-ish friendship. No, no. Candace, Karen, and Monique, like, we're all close to three of them. Now Candace and Monique aren't speaking. But I feel like right now maybe Ashley is closest with Giselle, and that's why she brought it to Giselle.

But, like, it's just going to blow up. Yeah, no, it's going to blow up. And obviously, like, I'm so ready for another season about Michael drama because it's always interesting um but I I mean the only thing I want to recap is the preview like next week looks so amazing so amazing like I can't wait to go to Monique's lake house I just want to be there I want to stay there someone's complaining that they're in the middle of nowhere it sounds like a dream can't wait to watch it all I feel bad for giselle and in her you know personal storyline that her kids are like not on board with her relationship and it's like she's obviously raised really really good kids if they're so protective of their mom and like you

love that but it's like obviously it took her a long time to get to the place where she wanted to be back with jamal and i don't think she ever expected like a hurdle to be her kids yeah and i also just think like talking about it in the middle of a dance floor of a dance class with like your friends around like it's not where her daughter wants to be talking about it no this is the sort of thing where it's like i totally understand where giselle's coming from and the kids are coming from and they just need time and like it needs to be like months years of jamal being a good partner to giselle for the kids to trust him and we'll get there they'll get there yeah i would love to see some more Jamal airtime. But he doesn't even live in Potomac. No.

And the airtime we got last week just made me, like, wish for the days when I just had this abstract idea of Giselle and Jamal together. I know he was. And, like, that they're so fabulous. And that he's, like, too fabulous for the show, even. And that we'll never get it. Because when we got it, I was like, no. Yeah, some things don't just. No.

Some things don't translate. No. No. Some things just don't translate. And honestly, I don't think that their relationship does. But we know they're together in real life now. So there's obviously something there. Yeah.

And, like, I think that their life together is and can be so fabulous. Like, when Giselle was sitting front row at Dave Chappelle. Yes. And, like... By the way, that is the most interesting piece of pop culture. I totally agree. And Jackie pointed it out. I did.

And I just found it so exciting. I feel like Jamal has so many of these sorts of connections because he's so well respected. Kanye went to his church. Yes. And then like Giselle is really so respected. Like I don't think she will ever, unless she decided, be off this show. Like she is the glue that holds it together. You told me that Beyonce watches this show.

I think. Giselle and Jamal are like an institution. Well, Beyonce has said in an interview years ago that she watched Atlanta. So she's on Bravo. I can't imagine why she wouldn't be watching. And I feel like the women might think that. And that's why Karen did her Beyonce dance. And she said, Beyonce.

Yeah. Very cute. That's so meta and exciting. Like to know that Beyonce might watch your show. I know. But then I was actually thinking it must be so stressful when you're like in a fight with someone and you're like wait what side is Beyonce gonna take what is Beyonce gonna think of my actions but you know what that also holds you accountable love to see it it's a great barometer like yeah and honestly would Beyonce be proud of

me yeah and that's how like a lot of the franchises like there are so many celebrities who are outspoken like they're fans of Beverly Hills or and like you have to know like Lady Gaga might judge you yeah you do a Rihanna she will judge you she will judge you um Chrissy Teigen obviously everyone knows but there's just so many celebrities and you love to see it when they go on Watch What Happens Live who've been watching for so long I would love to get a Watch What Happens Live with Beyonce and I'm sure she has so many thoughts on Atlanta yeah that's the only franchise she's I think on record admitting that she watches but if she has to watch one once you watch one no once you watch one and you love it so much and you find out there's eight more why wouldn't you pick up at

least another one or two yeah a bravo watched weapons live Beyonce moment is what we need I'm sure Andy like has tried it's no I'm sure it's like on his vision board you know and it's a goal of his one day one day one day um I really don't have that much to say about the episode it was fine it was fine and that's next week looks sickening and so we'll talk to you then yeah now let's quickly recap beverly hills even though what's the point because we're joined by queen of the universe to read kemsley in a minute but let's just give a few thoughts yeah it was a fine episode it was a good episode i mean it's the episode that had to happen after rome and after hearing denise's side of course we need to hear from brandy and as one of the women said like denise and brandy just need to talk but I don't know why Denise would ever give her that platform on Denise's show when Brandy's just saying things

that Denise doesn't want her yeah I actually really liked last week's episode the last one in Rome I feel like I felt like it came to some sort of resolution and now we're just back it's like we made progress and now two steps forward five steps backwards but you knew that was going to happen because this group just cannot let still leaping dogs lie and I understand they're on a show it has to be brought up but there's just something about this storyline that is way too I knew that was going to happen because this group just cannot let sleeping dogs lie. And I understand they're on a show. It has to be brought up. But there's just something about this storyline that is way too personal. And I know they keep bringing it back to, well, if pretty much it's like if Brandy did sleep with Denise,

then it also means that the things that Brandy said that Denise said about the women are true. And they're more interested in getting to that where it's like it's not that interesting. They're bulldozing their way to the truth. Like hearing that Teddy lives in her dad's shadow or whatever, it's like that's not that insulting. way to the truth finding like hearing that teddy lives in her dad's shadow or whatever it's like that's not that insulting it's like okay that's your opinion no and it's just like i'm sure something teddy's heard a lot it's just yeah to me it's like what they're trying to find out isn't worth the the mean things they're doing along the way and my problem with the episode was that it was all just so overt like in what fucking world would brandy glanville be invited to teddy

mellencamp's baby shower in absolutely no world and i'm glad that they actually did show that there was like a offhand invitation at kyle's house where teddy was like you should come yeah but then brandy didn't come until it was like already over like they said that she was invited initially like that's what kyle said but then she said brandy said that she got a last minute text message with the details explaining everything so was she invited in the beginning or was it last minute it was so messy and then like to kick out teddy's the whole scene was just so weird they kicked out teddy's friends because they thought they shouldn't be there for the the conversation like the whole thing just made no sense to me it was really weird it was like okay it's time for us to do our television job yeah please leave and also like they shouldn't be speaking about denise

well they shouldn't be speaking about denise without her there period but they also shouldn't be speaking about in front of a room of women who like legit don't know her who are strangers yeah so they had to go but it was just so weird and like it was just weird that it was teddy's baby shower that they're using like this baby shower as an excuse to do this and it was also like Dorit's capri room unveiling things it was a million things it was just really messy I mean I know that we were supposed to be like living for like the Denise Brandy drama but to me the best part of the episode was when Garcelle jokingly but also like dead serious said that every time Erica talks about her upcoming performance on Broadway as Roxy like Lisa Rinna mentions that she did it 18 years ago. And then the clips back to her doing that were just like giving me life.

Giving me life. I'm weird. I'm Garcelle versus Rinna is kind of like a sub story right now. That's kind of brewing beneath the surface. And I have to be honest, like some of the things that Garcelle is saying about Rinna, I think she's really touching on something that is bubbling beneath the surface aside from the conversation between Rinna and her daughter.

Yeah, I didn't like that. The eating disorder stuff. Like, that's an aside. But she's kind of talking about how Rinna is different than the Rinna that she used to know. And I feel the same way as a viewer. Same. Rinna's different than the Rinna that came on this show. And I feel like for a few seasons she was kind of like the punching bag.

You know, like Vanderpump used to always make fun of her. She was always, like, begging, groveling for an apology. And now she's just like this on top of the world Rinna who thinks that her shit doesn't stink who's constantly stirring the pot and turning her back on her friends and just like always laughing it off I totally agree I have turned on Rinna as well um there's just something about her attitude this season I think it has to do with like Lisa Vanderpump definitely being gone it's like the kids have taken over because the parents left the house and I think that she's a little like unreasonable and she's not um like she's like a hypocrite like she does things and then yells at other people for them I have definitely turned

on her as well yeah and also even in her struggle with trying to understand the Denise Brandy situation and I really did like you, the human slash actress side of her when she said that when her and Denise like came, made amends, and she said that she would have Denise's back. And then she reads these text messages from Brandy, which sure, they show that Denise and Brandy are friends, but I don't think anyone ever really questioned that. And she says, this is an intimate relationship.

I'm sorry, this is not an intimate relationship. And she's reading those text messages and wanting to believe Brandy, even though, like, she should be wanting to believe her friend. Yes, I now think that her, you know, emotional breakdown in Rome was definitely, like, an acting moment because she's not following through on any of the things that she said she was going to do. And at the end of the day, what's so frustrating about this

is, like, Denise lied so many times. And to cover up something, I haven't figured out what frustrating about this is like denise lied so many times and to cover up something i i haven't figured out what her mo is but she just lied so many times and it's giving the women ammunition to keep going and keep furthering the storyline to uncover more of her lies like you are friends you spoke to her two weeks ago you spoke to her before the party you said you didn't and it's like it's frustrating to be on denise's side because she's just like lying like making stuff up out of her ass like every 10 seconds everything she says is a lie so it's just it's frustrating because i want to defend her but it's like she's just like lying, like making stuff up out of her ass, like every 10 seconds, everything she says is a lie. So it's just, it's frustrating because I want to defend her, but it's like, she's giving the women the knife to stab her with.

Yeah. And also I think for the women, it's like, okay, if she lied about them being friends, it means she's lying about sleeping with Brandy. It means she's lying about the things that she said about us. And I don't necessarily believe that's true. I think Denise kind of panicked and, you know, and lied on some points, but it doesn't mean that everything else is true. So it is, must be frustrating for Denise, but I'm really liking Denise's vibe. She's kind of annoying to like when she's lying and stuff, but in her confessionals, when she's just like saying one thing to the women and then her

confessional, just being totally honest with the viewers, like I'm living for it. I agree. I love that energy. I hope she brings that energy to the reunion. And Dorit said that the reunion was very interesting and that her and Denise are friends, even though like next season, next week, which is the season finale, we get a little sneak peek that she blocked Dorit on social media. Yeah. But we'll see what happens. We'll see what it's all about. The only other thing that I wanted to mention is Rinna had a conversation with her daughter, Amelia, about the comments that Garcelle had made. And it was another instance where I did

feel like actress Rinna was coming out. I did feel like the conversation was a little staged. I feel like they had the conversation privately before and decided what they were going to say. And then I saw on Twitter that Amelia was wearing two different black hats. SpaceX and Balenciaga. Right. And so, which would go to say, I mean, either she changed her black hat in the middle of the scene or they filmed the scene twice and she tried to recreate her look and wore a similar but different hat. And there was a digital clock behind Amelia that had the time for a while, and then, like, as the conversation progressed, they blurred out the clock. So there's just weird, and someone pointed out on Twitter,

the screenshots they put up of Denise and Brandy's texts were, like, photoshopped. Like, you can see there was there was like a blue bubble error. Like it was weird. I'll show you. We can post it on our Instagram. There's just like weird continuity issues. Okay. The bubble thing of the text, I didn't see it, but I just feel like maybe they consolidated

some text messages. Paraphrased. Just to like get the point across quicker so we're not like reading texts that say like, hey, what's up? Yes. And I'm you. Yes. Just chilling.

I agree. But the Amelia Lisa Rinna stuff is really strange to me. And we spoke about this last week, how it kind of, you know, it's obviously not cool of Garcelle to bring this up. Like she's a child, but Rinna has chosen to put this on television. Yes.

Amelia said, and she took it back, but she said that she was forced to share her story on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. And then later she clarified, not saying forced, but encouraged her mom, encouraged her to share her story on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and then later she clarified not saying forced but encouraged her mom encouraged her to share it it was like a whole mess she got herself in on her Instagram stories yeah but anyways like this this storyline is out there it is something that they chose to put out there Amelia could have been dealing with this and none of us would have ever known she's not a cast mate she's not required yeah so not only did Garcelle bring it up but then rina brought amelia back to like have the

conversation again and like sort of avenge rina right and her parenting skills and i just felt like that's it's not it was unnecessary i agree i agree so anyways but um it is interesting to see like the other garcelle rina drama brewing because they do have a long-standing friendship and it seems like rina has changed oh by the way and as a viewer not that I know her personally but the vibe that I get is like and Lisa Rinna talks about all the time I like the hustle like being famous is a constant hustle you have to do jobs you don't want to do the depends commercial how many times we have to hear that but I feel like the housewives has brought Rinna something she hasn't had ever which is like a constant stream

of fame and money like the housewives of Beverly I mean the Housewives in general is like a great platform. But the Beverly Hills is like the crown jewel of the whole. Like to be on it is a huge honor. And the women are all rich and famous in their own ways. And I think that this platform has given her something she's craved for a long time. Which is that like true stardom. Like you see she's at an event with Kris Jenner. Like this is what she's worked for for so long.

And now that she has it I feel like she's becoming a little bit of a monster. She's like moving into a new circle too. I feel like we just spoke about this, you and I, when we were just watching together. Because you were like, I don't know why she's turning on Denise. Wouldn't she want to be friends with Denise if she's kind of like a social climber? And Denise is a bonafide celebrity. Right. And I'm like, no, Rinna now is like moving into like Kris Jenner territory.

And like Denise is like her old life of just being an actress, a soap star, whatever, a 90s siren icon. But like now she's like, she's just moving circles. And I do feel like Denise doesn't, that friendship doesn't provide what it used to. The benefits that it used to. And now it's like being friends with Kyle, being friends with Sutton, being friends with Erika Jayne. That's where it's at.

I totally agree. She's super transparent. Yeah. And you know what? We do love to see that as well. And by the way, that's why people love her and respect her. But it was a fine episode. It was fine. It was fine. Yeah. Next week's season finale. Now we have our interview with Dorit, which was so much fun to record. You know, we absolutely love her and we're so excited to talk to her. So check it out. Enjoy. We will see you guys next week. Welcome back to The Morning Toast. We are freaking out, you guys, because we are sitting down virtually with someone we discuss here all the time on The Morning Toast.

At least once a week. At least. At least. When we recap Beverly Hills. Please welcome to the show Dorit Kemsley. Woo! Hi, Dorit. Hi, guys. How are you? We are good. We're amazing. We have to preface

this interview by telling you that we stand so hard. Your looks this season are just giving, breathing life into the season and into already good season. So we just have so much to talk to you about. But before we do, we just need to say thank you for everything that you're bringing, like physically and mentally spiritually to the season. Thank you so much. Wow. You have made my Friday. Okay. We literally just, I have so many questions for you. We just watched this week's episode. And to be honest, like we don't know if the way that we feel about, you know, the current situation is how most people are feeling, but I really feel like you are taking the really mature route on this whole Brandy Denise drama like really not concerned with whether or not it's true but just like should we

be talking about this right yeah yeah and we see next week season finale snuck up on us so fast um this is where Denise kind of cuts with the filming you hear uh you say that she blocked you are you and we thought you and Denise had a beautiful friendship especially in Italy like we were really impressed with with how you guys just kind of weathered the storm um where do you guys stand now Denise and I are friends I mean I don't I don't think that that's a secret um great multiple times and you know I'm happy to say Denise and I have a great friendship uh she's somebody that I connected with very quickly when I met her for the first time two years ago when I was going through a hard time she really lent herself in in such a soft kind way and you

know I don't forget those things and we really bonded and I think she's very funny and I think she's um she's sweet and kind and caring and all of those things. And, you know, I don't know Brandy well. In fact, I met her inside of the first 30 seconds. You know, she insulted me and, you know, just if there is a story which, you know, I have to believe either my friend or somebody I don't know anything about and hasn't been very nice. I mean, it's clear I'm going to be on Denise's side. Right. And then I think that there's a level, you know, where you just don't go.

You know, and what's the purpose? Why are you doing this? What are you doing this for? You know, which is what people can understand. And it does feel like on Beverly Hills, you guys do stay above that level. Most of the time, everyone has things that they don't want to share on the show, but that grace wasn't awarded to Denise in this instant. And that's what seems unfair, right? Well, I mean, listen, there's the flip side to that. And the truth is we are on a reality show

where we are showing our entire lives and there's been plenty of things that maybe we don't get to pick and choose what we want to show and what we don't want to show we just don't because you put yourself out there and there's the curiosity um of the audience and the producer's jobs and the network's jobs and you know the cast job and um is really to show the real the reality of the situation and everything really to show the real, the reality of the situation and everything, the good, bad, the ugly. So that's the alternative argument.

And I do understand that. I think as far as women go and us women, it's something, you know, none of the women in our group, in our core group brought this information to the table. They didn't. The information was brought from this information to the table they didn't the information was brought from brandy to the group um and then of course there is this argument well what happens then it's out there the information wasn't delivered to me had it been delivered to me i wouldn't have

done it the way it was done but i have a different relationship with denise you know i would have done it very differently and i certainly would Denise you know I would have done it very differently and I certainly would have made it wouldn't have made it very public and I certainly wouldn't have talked about some of those sordid details at the baby shower when you found out that Brandy was going to be in attendance did you shoot Denise a text and let her know or she genuinely just decided not to show up and it was like perfect timing for her. She actually had FaceTime me before the baby shower had started before I knew Brandy was coming, that she was sick and she couldn't come. Okay.

So I don't know if she had any wind of it or, or what, but she, you know, she did FaceTime me telling me she couldn't come cause she was sick. And then Brandy showing up at the end of the baby shower. Got it. I think another reason why we've really connected with this season is that glam is like a topic of conversation. It's at an all-time high. And aside from the actual looks, it was actually part of the storyline.

Some of the fighting, you know, when you showed up late to Malibu, which I was totally on your side. Like I just thought Kyle was being so unreasonable. Can you talk a little bit about like, what does your day look like when you film? I know on the trip, I'm sure it was back to back with glam and then daytime and then nighttime. But what is an actual day in the life of a housewife when you're putting these looks together? What does that look like? So for me, I mean, I like to, it depends on my mood,

obviously whatever we're doing, but I love to put looks together. I love to play. It's a space that I really enjoy, you know, the fashion space and the glam space. I love to put looks together. I love to play. It's a space that I really enjoy, you know, the fashion space and the glam space. I love it. It's who I am. I enjoy doing it. So I choose an outfit. I put together the look and then I've got a great team. Justine Marjan, who is my hairstylist and very dear friend. She's one of my best friends. We've been working together for a number of years and, you know, I she knows me so well so once I've put together the look I'll collaborate with her and decide how I want to do my hair um and she just you know she kills it she kills it kills it time and time and time again she's so next level uh it's fantastic for me because I

get to work with you know my friends and we get yeah and when you have a similar vision and you understand one another you know each other so well you can really have a great time at it and I think that that's what you're seeing the byproduct of that um so that's the process for me I choose an outfit I put together sometimes the night before if we're traveling then obviously I'll pack a couple of days before I put together sometimes the night before if we're traveling then obviously I'll pack a couple of days before and put together a few different looks and and then other times when I don't have the time and I know I'm shooting and in mind I've got two little ones and businesses and so life is always very crazy and very busy um I could just literally be grabbing something

as I'm going you know or throwing something together'm going, you know, or throwing something together after the fact. You know, if I, if I do have my hair and makeup done and it's low key, then it's, I'm going for a low key outfit, you know, kind of more comfort. Yeah. What has been your favorite look that you've worn this season? We'll tell you ours. It's so hard. I think it's yours because it's really hard. There's so many that I love. You know,

mine is actually not that obvious, you know? I don't think mine is either. Do you think they're the same one? I think the... Lunch in Italy? The Fendi one.

No, no. Lunch with Kyle in Italy when you wore that big black like scrunchie around your hair. It was just so understated and so elegant and just so different. I know.

I loved that. I felt the same and it was kind of what I was going for again the outfit really spoke to the way I wore my hair and my makeup yes because you almost looked like you were going to a funeral and some could say that lunch might have been the funeral of your and Kyle's friendship some could say what was yours no I think we're talking about the same one because she's wearing the Fendi tights and the Fendi boots and the trench and the scrunchie. Oh, maybe. Yeah. And it was just, it was like, it's not the most obvious one,

but it was so like delicate and low key and just apt. And also like Fendi in Rome, it was perfection. I agree. And I also wearing those Italian designers in Italy, in Rome. I mean, for me, I just felt like it was paying respect. Um, I was having a love affair with Versace last year. I mean, I just thought everything she did, you know, I was drawn to. And so I think my favorite, and it's really hard because there's so many that I love. It's hard to pick favorite. It's like children. I can't pick favorite of my children. I love them both, you know? It wouldn't be right. But I really, really love the Versace suit. And that was a lot of fun because it kind of came together.

It was brought to me. I've got a wardrobe stylist that I've worked with for many years. She's also a dear friend. She's in New York city and she'll, she'll send me some things. I mean, we've known each other a long time. It's great when people really know you because I don't have time to shop these days. So, you know, things, a lot of things will get sent and then I kind of pick and choose. And when I was putting it together and I had all of these Versace accessories laid out, I was actually putting it together and I was pinning things

all over. And then I put on the belt and I couldn't decide which belt I liked. So I kind of had them both up and then I was like, wait a minute so I kind of had them both up, and then I was like, wait a minute, I kind of like them together, so then I stacked the belts. Wow. I mean, I, I, yeah, I stacked the belts, and then I ended up putting even hairpins on the jacket. Oh, wow. So for me, that was such a fun look. I had a necklace wrapped around my, my, my wrist, and I, I like outfits like that. I like when it kind of... There's a little bit of me that there's a uniqueness and originality.

There was an outfit I wore, a Prada set. It was to Denise's infamous barbecue with the pony. I actually cut the Prada shirt because I wanted it to be level with the pant.

And it was a high waist pant. I didn't want to tuck it in because it had a cute little belt around the pant. And it bunched too much. So I actually cut it. And then with that piece, I sewed a hair scarf and then put it in. So that look came together. And I love things like that. I mean, honorable mention to the Attico dress you

wore to uh Kyle's event that was just sickening show-stopping give birth to it throw it in a blender mix it up reference it not reference it it was just fucking brilliant like and I can imagine how much time that takes and we want as viewers we want to let you know like we appreciate it so much it elevates the show to a completely different level which is I think what really sets it apart from other franchises it's like these looks it's like it's Milan fashion it's like a magazine it's something that we like maybe used to get from other mediums that now with so many people watching reality tv you guys are like they kind of what we used to get from maybe a show like gossip girl yes yes in the city yes like those looks that are really curated and have like a theme and an idea to them.

You guys are serving up on Beverly Hills and it does not go unnoticed. No, it does not. I'm so glad too, because that's the, that's the, when I get teased for it, I say to myself, I mean, you're not going to change me. I enjoyed that. That is what I like doing. So it's so lame. It's so lame when people tease others, like for being creative. Yeah. It's like an art. Exactly. Or for grooming. It's like, why would you tease someone for wanting to look nice too? Can't relate. For their job, like that they're showing up to. Cause it's not just, you're going to a workout event in for Teddy. Like, yes, it's that, but it's also like you're recording like a show that

so many people watch and it's going to be out there people watching it for years and years and years and like that look is gonna have legs exactly also i was wearing beverly beach leggings you don't have to defend yourself you look sickening the beach down you look sickening gag worthy walked in i'm like yes i hope i'm she's late. And she's not even late because she said she was only coming for half the fucking day. I love you. And also, it's so important that you take those pictures. Those pictures are so important, like, so important. I mean, that's the whole thing is that why waste such a good look?

I want to see it. And I know other people want to see it. You know, I'm literally making that time. And that takes a matter of minutes. This is not like, let's just book a half a day for a photo shoot. It's not like that. It's all the photoshoots. Snap a few pictures, you know. We all do it. We all do it. Yes, I know. Exactly. And that's the gram, isn't it? It's the gram. Can you tell us a little bit about the reunion? You guys filmed it remotely.

Was Denise there? Yes. Love it. I'm so glad. I think she deserves a moment to explain herself. Me too. I was so glad she was there. And in truth, she had said to me leading up that there was no way she wasn't going to be there.

So I expected her to be there. Oh, good. There's always a lot of chatter in the press. I expected her to be there. Oh, good. There's always a lot of chatter in the press. And, you know, it's hard because when conversations happen in the press or the press takes it to the next level, and then we kind of operate with our hands behind our back because you can't answer every single thing, you know.

But I'm glad she was there. The reunion, although virtually, was epic. It was really incredible. It's definitely one you want to tune into. Excellent. Yeah. And that look was a lot of fun putting together. I mean, it's a reunion, so you have to have a lot of fun. I really loved the dress, and I loved the hair that I did.

And as far as the actual content in the reunion, definitely worth tuning into. It's really good. Do you think Denise is going to return? I don't see why she wouldn't. I don't see why she wouldn't. I mean, I say that, um, she's friends with me. She's friends with Garcelle. Um, you know, the only reason why someone wouldn't return is if they're either not friends with anyone in the group anymore or if they just, you know, they're just not wanted, I suppose. And I don't think it's either of those. It's neither of those. But I don't know. I mean, believe me, if you ask me, you could ask me all of those questions, but it's the powers that be that that actually right denise that make those decisions

but i would say so yeah nice well speaking of the powers that be something that denise said this season she said bravo bravo bravo which we now know is something that you say when you don't want something to air is that something that's like used often like do have other people said that over the course of your time on the show and like we didn't get ever get to see it no no no not in fact it's kind of the first time i've ever seen it okay it's really not a tool to not get footage aired you know which is why bravo deliberately put it in because imagine that you guys imagine if we could all arbitrarily choose what we wanted to air and not air i mean yes producing a show which we're not producers on right no i think that she had heard it um some of the ogs kylie savannah pump they had said that back in the day when they

wanted to touch up their makeup they would say it while they were, you know, putting powder on their nose. But if it's anything juicy, oh no. It's never going to be removed from the show. That's just... That's so interesting. One other breaking the fourth wall question, because there's this rumor going around that Kyle and Teddy filmed the scene

with Brandy and Kyle after you guys got back from Rome. So goes to say that they got the information about Denise off camera, and then they decided to bring it up in Rome and then film a scene where they're being told as if it's for the first time. I didn't, I didn't hear that. I mean, I was told in Rome and it was told to me by the girls that they had filmed with Brandy and this had happened okay okay so yeah I have another question for you totally unrelated but it I just have like I've been we've been

waiting for this like you're just gonna have to sit here for two hours sorry um you know it wasn't too it wasn't too long ago that you were the new girl and I think in your first season it was tough for you like not ever you didn't jive with everyone everyone didn't jive with you um and now that you are kind of like a resident castmate and new girls come on like what is your like how do you decide to introduce yourself do you go out of your way to be nice to new girls because i know that you and garcelle have a really great friendship and i feel like you and sutton get along really well like your love of shopping are you doing that intentionally just because like you were the new girl once and it wasn't as easy for you? Okay.

So, and I, I really like you guys. So I'm, I feel like, you know, heart open on my hand, you know,

hand to my heart, heart on my sleeve, whatever the, the word is. Here's the thing. I've always been that kind of girl that when I meet people, if I kind of like everybody, you know, and until you give me a reason not to, I'm warm and nice and kind and I enjoy meeting

people. And that's the way I always was. And then I applied that in the show. Didn't always work. And I kind of realized, I mean, when I sort of met Teddy for the first time, you know, I thought that we were friendly and then things were good. And then, you know, she's texting me and I felt like I kind of put my heart into her. And then when I watched the show back, her first season, it was just all of this bashing

and talking. And it was like so shocking to me. So it was like this whole new world I had to become adapted to. And so therefore I kind of decided after that, okay, well, I'm gonna approach it where I'm gonna be myself and be nice and kind. If there's any kind of signs or reasons for me to go slowly, I'll do it.

So I think that the answer, the long-winded answer that you're looking for is that Garcelle, when I first met her, it was just an easy connection. She was so fun. And it was just, our personalities connected. We had a great time. And I really liked her from the beginning. Sutton, on the other hand, things can come out of her mouth without thinking. She's quirky. I've gotten to know Sutton, so I can tell you she's so lovely. I really her we have become friends but in the beginning I was like trying to figure her out you know trying to understand because I

didn't really know you know is she gonna like me am I gonna like her is she gonna say something that's like so you know extraordinary and shocking and she does yes she does I guess that's kind of the beauty of the show which I think is why she's such a good addition to the show truth I agree yeah she brings something different yeah I think like at first I wasn't sure what her role was going to be um but I actually think she fits in really well I think you guys all the group I think for the I think we speak on behalf of the fans and we were ready to get Lisa Banner pump out like from literally five years ago like we have been riding this train we are the conductors of the train get her off of the show like I just think she's so toxic and manipulative and like we were really believers

in that and I think a lot of people were like well where does the show go from here she was on it from the beginning she was an integral part of every storyline you know sniper from the side but now that we're here I feel like you really get to see a lot more character development from you guys um there's more like real genuine friendships like I'm sure I mean I think a lot of you guys hang out off camera we do and that's beautiful real genuine friendships and it even shooting you know filming or I would say filming, how best to say it, you know, feels like it's, it's just, there's a freedom to it. There's like something that's sort of lifted.

And I think that's why you're seeing a lot more develops, development, developments in friendships and characters and so on. And I think that Lisa was, you know, a very important part to the show for a very long time and she had a very big fan base she still has a very big fan base and you know it was her decision to leave and I think that you know maybe it was the best decision for her for everybody it just it felt different after she had left there was definitely something that lifted or shifted. A lightness.

Yeah. Everybody across the board kind of felt it. Yeah. Well, it's nice to watch it all play out. One final question. I want to. Okay. So one each. Who is your favorite designer? Another toughie. I just, I don't have one favorite. It's funny because, um, you know, obviously I'm a fashion lover, so I'm always tracking the fashion and it depends. I mean, I think Dior's doing some incredible things, but you know, two seasons ago was Gucci and you know, I've got design, I've got designers that are not, um, you know, known designers that I really like and try. I could not give you one I couldn't even give you 10 probably okay fair what do you think your monthly budget for glam and wardrobe is when

you're filming I mean that's hard and I'm not sure I'd actually mention that okay but that actually wasn't my last question my last question was your house? Love. I love the house. I love the house. It's beautiful. Very great. Do you have the party at your house next week? Yes. Oh, is it a house warming? It is a house warming. And my husband and I developed a non-alcoholic champagne called the stews that, uh, we launch at the party. Fabulous. Like 15 foot champagne bottle in our pool. So you'll see, yeah, the house is beautiful and you'll get a chance to see it really, um, for the first time this season, like kind of more done. Oh, that's exciting. Fabulous. Well, Dorit, we absolutely loved having you here. I know your time is so precious. Thank you for being here. Thank you for all you do

and just saving the show and you're just everything of the sort. Keep doing you. Never apologize for who you are. Bring the looks. Bring the hair. Bring the attitude. We are here and we are living for it. I love it.

Love you. So amazing. Thank you. You guys have a good one.