The Toast - S3 Ep83: Justice For Ms. Darbus: Wednesday, May 6th, 2020

Episode Date: May 6, 2020

Adele shows off even more weight loss in birthday photo (Page Six) Jessica Simpson fires back at body shaming in Vogue's Met Gala history (Instagram) Nikki Bella reveals she was raped twice in high school (Page Six) Miley Cyrus discusses a possible future as a full-time talk show host (Pop Crave News via Wall Street Journal) Vanessa Bryant Shares Letter From Kobe on Birthday... 'From, Tu Papi' (TMZ) Vanderpump Rules Recap Little Fires Everywhere Recap Dear Toasters Advice Segment The Morning Toast with Claudia (@girlwithnojob) and Jackie Oshry (@jackieoproblems) Merch: https://shopmorningtoast.com/ The Morning Toast Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/themorningtoastSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Good morning, Millennials! Welcome back to the Morning Toast. It is Wednesday, Claudia's favorite day of the week. She'll let you know when. Yes, it is. Welcome back to the show, everyone. How's everyone doing? And by everyone, I mean, Claudia, how you derm? Hey, Jax. Hey, everyone. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone's feeling sprightly and bubbly. I, for one, am not. But for the sake of pretending, let's pretend. What a great day. Okay. So I did something again where I woke up early to work out

and if I ever have this idea again, please stop me. Like my workout was trash. My output was trash because I had no energy in the morning. Like I legit couldn't move my legs any faster. My output, if you're a Pelotoster, then you know what this means. Like compared to my last PR on a 30 minute ride, I was like 50 kgs less, like the same output I did the first day that I got the bike. I'm like regressing. So I need to stop working out in the morning. Um, I always feel like it's going to make me feel better and it just made me feel like, um, a worthless loser. So that's why I have a wet hair, but I'm really like liking my man vibe today. What do you think about it? You know why it's not worth it to work out in the morning? Not that I work out ever, but it's like

quarantine days are so long. Like it's already hard to fill things up and working out is one of the things you do after the toast. So if you're waking up early, you're giving yourself more hours in the day to fill up with stuff and you're getting your workout out of the way. So it's like something that you would do after the toast. Like now you have this free time that like you don't really need. Yeah. But like, I still dread it. So I am glad that it's out of the way. Like I would rather sit on my ass and do and be bored than like get dressed and work out. So I'm glad it's out of the way, but it wasn't as good of a workout as it could have been. Um, and I know that people are so gung ho about working out in the mornings,

but where do you get that energy from? Let a girl know. I think people are gung-ho. And once again, I can't really speak to the validity of this thing as how I've never worked out morning, noon, or night. But I think people are gung-ho when working out in the morning when they have full lives, not when the day is theirs. Yes, that is interessant. Okay, that's a good point. I also did the Lizzo ride. I gave myself every chance for it to be fabulous. And I was just nothing of the sort. So here I am, though. But, like, now I'm glad I showered and I did a fresh fudge.

And I do feel good sitting here right now. So maybe in the end it was worth it. You feel good sitting right here. Right now. Okay, we need to talk we need to talk because i gave you i gave you an assignment to watch the high school musical trilogy with an open mind and an open heart and i need to know your thoughts you also gave me an assignment to read jessica simpson's book which i did not um But I watched two out of three of the high school musical movies. I will be watching the third because you say it's like

one of the better ones. And I enjoyed it because like it was something to do. The first movie is like, should we wait till our TV recap or just dive in? Just dive in. The first movie is so cringy it is like a bad hallmark disney like fusion um but it's good and it's cute and the dancing and the choreography in the high school is so cute um but to me the most shocking moment was like when the movie ended and there was no musical i don't know why i remember like there being a musical or it's just because it's called high school musical but the whole movie and all like the status quo being disrupted is about a callback yeah that's that's what's so crazy like there's so much power in a callback and while i agree with you that the first movie is like cringy ish hallmark guy like it was a decom it wasn't meant to take over the world like

they put out this movie like they put out out a million other Disney movies when we were kids and people just really like, just loved it. So then they built on it. And obviously the second movie has a much higher production value, but the first, like the bones of the first movie are good. And the heart of the first movie is good, but I liked seeing everyone's glow ups in the second movie. Like some of them got fillers, like Ashley Tisdale definitely got her lips done. Her side bangs were like my eighth grade aesthetic. Like I liked that. They all got spray tans. Vanessa Ann cut her hair. She was going like she was trying out a lob.

It was interesting. I want to hear your thoughts on the second movie because back in the day, it really felt like the slump, the sophomore slump. But watching it now, like I have so much respect for it. Yeah, no, I didn't think it was slumpy vibes at all I thought the soundtrack was fabulous all for one and one for all like I was literally dancing in front of my tv like a child I thought the soundtrack was really good

um it was frustrating for me because like I had a problem with like the ethics of the show like I just didn't really feel like Zac Efron like wanting to better his future and not taking Zeke and Chad to the Albuquerque gym like made him a bad person it's like no he's putting his future first not his job at the country club for the summer yeah I feel like justice for him so where do you land on now the justice for Sharpay campaign because after I watched these movies I didn't feel the same way well it's a little it's a little annoying because at the end of the first movie when she didn't get the role and they're all dancing in the gym she's like like one of them. And she's like, whatever, I'll be your understudy. Like she was, it was like the villain role had peaked

and now she was just one of them. But then you transition to the summer and she's like reverted back to her villainish ways, which I just thought was a little- Worse than ever. And I thought it was inconsistent when like, I thought we had come full circle after the first movie. And yes, her behavior in the second movie was abhorrent.

Like just on like a human level, the way she spoke to staff. And like, even that song the second movie was abhorrent, like just on like a human level, the way she spoke to staff. And like even that song Fabulous, which I love, she's like, you go do. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Like those are adults. Like you can't talk to them. Even the way she spoke to Mr. Fulton, who is a fabulous actor. Yeah. Mr. Fulton in the second movie is supposed to fill the hole of Miss Darbus because they're not in school, you know? And Miss Darbus is really the heart and soul of the first movie. When you watch it back, it's justice for Miss Darbus.

Like she is a queen. Like her talents are wasted on the East High Wildcats. Completely. And like her vibe and like the way she speaks is like literally what I want to be when I grow up. Like when she's watching all the auditions and like nobody can sing and these two kids do like an interpretive dance

to Breaking Free. And she was like, that that was and she tries to say something nice she goes very disturbing please go see a counselor like she's so iconic and i agree like when you're a kid obviously like you just think of the teacher as like the annoying character but now that i'm an adult and i have respect for teachers i'm like miss darvis was just trying to do her fucking job there was just so many inconsistencies in the movie like the period that they had with miss darvis i thought in the beginning of the movie it was homeroom because it was they sat down she said two words and then it was 15 minutes and it was gone then it's like at the summer movie it's the last period so how can it be homeroom and then it's like then she's then she's diving into history at one point and i'm like what teacher are you so you're the drama

teacher homeroom teacher english and history teacher Get you a teacher who could do it all. I guess. Yeah. And by the way, in high school, more so in middle school, but like, I guess it's really middle school.

Like we would have one teacher and she taught us every subject. I guess that that's actually true. We weren't like rotating classes yet. That's true, but it was high school. Okay. Well, maybe like they had a different sort of curriculum at East High. Maybe. In terms of characters, I do have to say, I don't feel in

the first movie that Zack and Vanessa, like, really deserved that role. Like, they were late to both auditions, and, like, they had to be, like, coerced into doing it, and then she finally, after Miss Darbus says, you're late, sorry, I won't let you perform, she lets them perform, and Gabriella doesn't sing. The music starts and she gets scared. It's like, that's honestly not what you want in a star. Like, of course, I'm looking through the movie, like, through the lens of, like, I want to support Troy and Gabriela.

But, like, they didn't really deserve the role. As a thespian myself, I wouldn't agree with the casting. Yeah, well, I think it was a combination of a few things. Like, I think Miss Darbus was fed the fuck up with Sharpay and Ryan and, like, them botching all of these songs and making them like trash. Also, she did say, she said, if you're not going to put the theater first, like let's, she agreed with Sharpay to move the audition to the same time as their other priorities. Let's see if they make the theater a priority.

And you know what? They did. They like, they went ham. They blew up the science lab. They caused a blackout. They got the whole school there. Everyone's jamming with Troy and Gabriella. And they really had talent.

Or should I say Drew Sealy? Because you know that Zac Efron doesn't sing in the first movie. Yes. And I was hearing Drew Sealy like so hard because he was in another Cinderella story dancing around with Selena Gomez, right? Such a good movie. Such a good movie. And I heard his voice the whole time.

But as a kid, I didn't know. I really thought it was troy but like there was just well you kind of got into my head a little bit like when it came to how i felt about certain characters like chad was the worst he was such a bad friend and the way that he was just like making fun of zeke his friend for wanting to bake creme brulee is like who wants like a judgmental friend like that and it's's like with every song he's saying, it's like, you would think he was getting more into it. But then at the country club, he was like, I don't dance. It's like, but you were dancing in the gym to get your head in the game. So why are you lying? Yeah. Yeah. No, he was just like, so, um, regressive, you know, he just like, couldn't help his friends like break out of their

shells. He just wanted every, he like, he was the status quo. Yes. And he was, I felt like the character who was keeping the status quo in the entire school. Yes. And honestly, in the first movie, him and Taylor, like the status quo is kind of the villain, you know, cause it's really not Sharpay. She's just trying to protect her drama club. And we can understand that. It's really like Troy and I mean, Chad and Taylor are the villains sort of trying to keep their friends like in these boxes, but we don't live in boxes. No, we refuse to live in boxes. So I'm going to watch the third movie and I'll let you know. I just, I have a lot of respect for like the choreo and the dance numbers. Like when they ended the second movie at the pool country club, like singing all for one, like everyone was wearing bright colors, jumping in the pool. Like I was living. Yeah.

Kenny Ortega. That's the Kenny Ortega effect. And he, Kenny O problems. He does a good job. He knows what he's doing. Yeah. It was good. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm excited for you to watch HSM three and I'm excited for this journey for you. Um, I guess like, should I save my TV recap? Cause I finished little fires everywhere and I have, don't spoil it. Like I might watch the last few. I'm going to, I'm going to spoil it. So cause I need, cause in order to talk about like what's wrong with it, I need to spoil it. And I have, don't spoil it. Like I might watch the last few episodes. I'm going to, I'm going to spoil it. So, cause I need, cause in order to talk about like what's wrong with it, I need to spoil it. And I know you're not going to watch anytime soon. Just like I didn't spoil Jessica Simpson's book for you. I wish that I had while it was still fresh in my mind. So I could have talked about it. Okay. Yeah. I'm not going to finish it. I really thought it was terrible. It was so terrible. And I'll, I'll save it for the TV recap segment because maybe some people

like don't give a shit and just want to hear the past five. Yeah, maybe. Okay. So I guess it's time without further ado to get into the fast five stories that you need to know before you wake up and take a bite out of your morning toast. And that's true, Jackie. But if I may, a word from our sponsors. Today's episode is brought to you by Scentbird. Sometimes adding one final piece brings the whole ensemble together and that finishing touch can be your perfume. Fragrances can create lasting impressions because smell is so closely linked with memories. If you're ready to make a lasting impression, Scentbird can help you discover your signature scent or keep things fresh with new fragrances from brands like Dolce & Gabbana, Tom Ford, Versace, and more. Scentbird is a monthly luxury

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fancy bitch with minimal effort. I love minimal effort. It's my thing. Me too. Okay, let's get into it because we actually have some good stories today. First story, the photo heard around the world. Adele shared a photo from her birthday yesterday on her Instagram where she posts scarcely showing off even more weight loss than what we had seen in the photos from like Drake's

birthday and a few months ago when everyone was talking about it. Like her on a beach. Yeah, she posted to celebrate her 32nd birthday saying, thank you for the birthday love. from like Drake's birthday and a few months ago when everyone was talking about it. Like her on a beach. Yeah. She posted to celebrate her 32nd birthday saying, thank you for the birthday love. I hope you're all staying safe and sane during this crazy time. She captioned a photo of herself looking glamorous in Elzinga's balloon sleeve little black dress. She really looks so fabulous. I am like, she's living.

She looks so glamorous and she looks so happy. And I love her. There's a lot of conversation being had here. Like, um, people are obviously so like living for her glow up. And then a lot of people are saying like, is it derogatory towards fat people to celebrate someone's weight loss? And it's like, I'm so like body positive. And I'm like, I'm happy for this bitch. Like, I don't know. I don't think you have to be both, like one or the other. Like, I think it's great. If someone wants to lose weight, great.

If somebody wants to gain weight, great. Like, why do we care? Yeah, and I think really, if she had posted any photo from her 32nd birthday, like looking happy and just like, it's really how you feel. You know, I feel like we would all be celebrating it, you know, but also like losing weight,

like is, and when you're trying to lose weight, it's hard and it's an accomplishment and it deserves to be celebrated, but that's what you're trying to do. But I don't think it takes away from people who choose not to lose weight. Totally. I was like reading some crazy comments. People are heated about it. And I'm just like, go girl, like do what you got to do. You want to be, you want to be thin. You want to be fat. Great. Great. I applaud you either way. Yeah. She just, she looks so beautiful and glowing and you can do that at any weight. That outfit, that dress, that's a great dress. She looks like glamorous as hell. She looks like a Spice Girl, honestly.

Yeah. Where's the new music though? Where's the new music though? I mean, there's so much going on in her life and her divorce. Like, her divorce was really, he got, like, $70 million. Oh, did he? Yeah. Well, she just needs to put out a new album. She'll make it all back. Yeah, but, like, I think she literally had to split her fortune,

which is just fucking terrible. Fucking terrible. Also, her album, her last album, I've been listening to it a lot in the queue, and, like, it holds up. It feels new. It's so amazing. If, like it holds up it feels new it's so amazing if like honestly it really is enough right now whenever i hear that song um when we were

young i'll never not feel like sad happy and power powerful like i fucking love that song and that music video where she looks just so epic like that is i think one of the best songs ever written. Um, I completely agree. I think that's one of the best albums ever. And like my, definitely my favorite album of hers, but, um, it definitely, I need to resurface it. You know, I'm always looking for albums to play on repeat. I need to add that to my mental cue. I'm so excited for her new music because there's just so much going on in her life. She's a mom and now she's single. Like it's just going to be so fabulous. Totally. Okay. Next story talking about one of our favorite people. She is just like coming for Vogue because Jessica Simpson is decrying the body shaming by Vogue in Met Gala history. Have you seen this story? No. Okay. So I guess yesterday

or whenever Monday was Vogue put out like an oral history, and I read it, of the Met Gala. And so they had a bunch of different people contributing like little blurbs on like, you know, little things that happened or how they felt their first Met Gala, what they used to think of the Met Gala. They had a bunch of people, including like Kendall Jenner, Naomi Campbell, Elle Fanning, a bunch of people who work for Vogue, including one woman, Sally Singer, who used to work for Vogue. And she, in her oral history, she said that she recalled when Jessica Simpson, quote,

her breasts maybe fell out of her dress on the red carpet. And then at dinner, it was suddenly like, whoa, Jessica Simpson's breasts are across from me at a dinner table and they are on a platter and I'm looking at them. Then she also talks about how she was with John Mayer and John Mayer was like putting his hands on her boobs. And it was just like all about Jessica Simpson's boobs, this one excerpt. Excuse me? Yeah. So Jessica Simpson posted, feeling a little like Jane Mansfield after reading this inaccurate oral history of the Met Ball where I am body shamed by Sally Singer. But in all seriousness, I have persevered through shaming my own body and internalizing the world's opinions about it for my entire adult life. To read this much anticipated article about the classiest

fashion event there is and have to be shamed by another woman for having boobs in 2020 is nauseating. Okay, there's so many things that are weird about this. First of all, the fact that like they asked this Vogue contributor, like, you went to the Met Gala, what do you remember? And, like, she went to the most fabulous high-profile event, and all she remembers is someone's tits. Like, that's weird, first of all. So it was, like, one memory out of a lot. Like, it was a bunch of little blurbs of memory.

So she contributed other stories, but this was one of the stories, and that Vogue decided to publish. I'm sure everyone just, like, sent in blurbs. Vogue did apologize for including it in their article, but like. No, this is, no, this is, this whole thing is weird. Like I blame the girl. I blame Vogue. I blame everyone. Like literally what's the point in running a magazine if you're not going to edit it? Like, isn't that your whole job? Editors at magazines? Like who, who the fuck let this be published? Like that is so condescending it's like so I don't know I would just feel so weird I don't even know what

the right word is like if someone were just talking about my tits so much like maybe it's because nobody does like maybe I wouldn't mind it but like it's like it's so it's so wrong no but like Jessica's insist I feel like a lot of people talk about them because they're like so fabulous and I feel like if you want to talk about them because they're like so fabulous. And I feel like if you want to talk about them, it can only be in terms of celebration because they're so wonderful. But like to talk about a woman's boobs in a condescending way in 2020, nauseating. No, to talk about them at all, like another woman's boobs is weird. But if you're going to do it negatively, like that's fucked up.

Like to celebrate it without their consent is still a little weird. No, I mean, but we do that all the time. We talk about Katy Perry's boobs at that event with John Mayer. We taught, we literally, after I read open book, I Googled Jessica Simpson, net gal,

John Mayer. And we literally posted these photos on our Instagram because like, she looked amazing. So I think it's great to celebrate everyone's bodies. Um, but just like to be weird about boobs right now, what the fuck? It just, it seems really losery. I'm sorry of this girl.

I'm calling it. It's loser crime. It's loser. No, but it's not loser on loser. It's loser on queen crime. It's loser on queen crime. I just feel like bad for Jessica Simpson. Like I just, I want everyone to respect her.

Yeah. I don't know why people feel like she's a punching bag or she can just be like spoken about in any sort of way, but they obviously didn't read open book. And I think Sally Singer, if she wants to make it right, needs to read her book. You know what? I think we should give her an assignment. I want a book report. I want a book report. And then you know what? Then I'll move on. Then. Then. This is so sad. So sad. But I'm so like proud of Jessica Simpson for standing up for herself because one, I would have never heard about this Vogue oral history without Jessica Simpson speaking out about it because she's like shedding light on something that nobody gives a shit

about because everybody cares about her. And also, I forget. Okay. Well, justice has been served, I think. I think so too. I think she served it up for herself. Like, she doesn't let anyone come for her anymore. Like, she is everything. I love her. I love her. Before we get into the next story, I just want to issue a trigger warning because we're about to talk about sexual assault. Speaking of other people that we love, Nikki Bella reveals that she was raped twice in high school. So the Bella sisters have come out with a new memoir that they wrote together. And Nikki is opening up about being raped twice as a teenager in the new memoir, Incomparable. Incomparable? Incomparable. I mean, I'm no literary scholar, but I think.

The former WWE star shares in the book, co-written by her twin sister Brie, that she was first attacked at the age of 15 by a fellow student she thought was a friend. Quote, my virginity was stolen from me without my consent. I was raped by a guy I thought was a friend while I was passed out at a party. I'd had too many beers and maybe some shots of hard alcohol and I only woke up because my stomach hurt. I came to and this guy was both on top of me and inside of me and I pushed him off and ran out of the room. And then she said that she was also raped again by a college age man whom she says drugged her when she was 16. And so she lived with all of this and she like kept it a secret and she said she blamed herself and started to lose her confidence.

Quote, I started to disrespect myself. And then the relationships I got into at a young age, I let other people disrespect me and felt like that's okay. This is what I deserved. Oh my God. That's horrible. Horrible. This is so heartbreaking, but it's like so brave of her to share this story now.

She said that the Me Too movement and her platform as a WWE star helped her come to terms with speaking up about it. What traumatizing, like to experience once is horrible and awful, but like twice, are you kidding me? That's so, so sad. I love her. I love her so much. I'm really excited about this book. I'm definitely going to read it. I love the two of them. And Total Bells is back on TV now. I have it all recorded, but I haven't caught, I like to batch that too. They have really like created an empire for themselves. A hundred percent. And I feel like they just like work quietly. You know, they're not always just like, and until you watch their show, you don't realize like how much they do and how successful they are.

And they have a really nice life. And also I feel like we keep forgetting they're pregnant at the same time right now. Like that is so special. And they have a podcast. They do it all. They do it all. They're really cute. And they've really like just created this whole thing like out of some show, Total Divas, that was like really not that popular when it started, but like people really tuned in for them um and now they have their own show and i think they're great and i i'm probably not gonna read the book but um i wish them well i'll recap it for you yeah they're you know actually i i feel like they have an i don't know how you get to where you are like in like what road in your career do you have to take to end up being where the Bella sisters are you know what do you mean like WWE like that's such an interesting background I

don't know anyone who's ever become like a famous wrestler you know like they're like the only for for me like female wrestlers that I know yeah well I think it was the show Total Divas that like but I mean like how do you get involved in WWE at first? Because they were famous, not to us, but they were famous before the E! show. Oh yeah. Well you audition like anything else. Yeah? Yeah. Like it's a career path. Like some people want to be a cheerleader, some people want to be a dancer,

some people want to be a WWE diva. Yeah, but like if you're a cheerleader like you join a squad. And you audition and you join. You like try out for WWE. No, i think you'll probably have to like get in some training program oh you know what i actually saw the movie fighting with my family and there is um it's about page from wwe and there's a training program that she joins to be a diva and you know it's like weeks it's kind of like dcc making the team like you they weed out people who

don't make the cut and eventually they have some divas on their hands maybe that's what i should have done with my life maybe it is body slam okay next story is about your favorite person miley cyrus um i have some news for you that I don't think you're going to like because she did an interview with the Wall Street Journal. Oh, she did? I didn't see it everywhere. You did? Where'd you see it? Oh, my God. Literally everywhere. Oh, my God. Well, I saw it at Pop Crave News and they clipped some of the highlights that I just want to share because she is discussing a possible future as a full-time talk show host. So the interviewer asked, you told Jimmy Fallon you don't do anything halfway.

So when you decided to do this, you went all the way. Do you want to be a full-time TV host one day? She said, I love connecting with people. There's something about when you listen to someone else's stories that you realize all these pieces of yourself, too. I think that's what I've missed in my life, those relationships. I also love entertainment, encouraging people to celebrate their uniqueness. A lot of what I've represented in my entire career is individuality and gender identity and sexual identity. So yeah, I would love to create a platform where individuality is highlighted and a place for good news and light and activism and

optimism and highlighting the folks doing really big work who don't always get the attention that is deserved. I think there's a world where I can do it all and have it all. Okay. Honestly, as a platform, that sounds really nice. Honestly, like good news, activism, I'm here for it. And I just hope that if there are people in the world who want Miley Cyrus as a talk show host, like I hope that they get what they want for them. That's what I'll say. I totally agree. You know, this actually reminds me of something I heard yesterday, which was that Selena Gomez is getting a cooking show on HBO Max, which is like quarantine cooking show. Oh my God. Okay. Wait, I meant to, I meant to have that as a story because I saw that we posted it to the morning toast that where she is hosting

an executive producing an at-home quarantine cooking show. So, um, isn't that a blog? Like she's hosting it. She's pressing record. She's pressing record. She's talking to the camera and she's executive producing it. Like she's emailing it to HBO max. Like, are you like, okay. I host an executive produce like so much. It's crazy. I didn't know that that was the term for what I was doing. Yeah. I mean, I'm less concerned with that and just more concerned. It's like, how is anyone supposed to ever like make it as a chef or a talk show host? If celebrities just like keep deciding that like they have no background, but I want to become a tonight show host, you know, like how are people ever supposed to get those jobs who just start from the ground up? If you know, the next Ina

Garten is just Selena Gomez going to the Hamptons right just selena gomez like in quarantine making i don't know we're all cooking in quarantine by the way when is this show premiering in august the last thing i want to do is watch someone else in quarantine when i'm trying to get back to normal life you know i have full plans in august i don't intend on like watching content that reminds me of the queue. Right. I thought that was a crazy, I mean, I guess it's for HBO max. So it's like, it's not taking up cable time. They'll put anything on there, you know, and she is literally the most famous person in the world. So if we can get like half of the Selena stands watching HBO max, they're going to do it. I understand that decision for them, but it's like, it's low hanging fruit. Yeah. And I'm just like sad thinking about all the Instagram chefs who

think one day, like I'll get a show on HBO. No, actually, I'm sorry. You won't. Yeah. I don't really know any Instagram chefs, but you know what I've been loving? TikTok chefs. I am always like saving recipes that I obviously never make, um, from some chefs on TikTok. Like they really like all of those short little videos where they're just like throwing things in and they're like, you know, there's a few really good ones. I don't know their names, but. Do you know Tabitha? I think so. Is she the one that cooks with the spices? Like so like that? Cause it's your business. Yeah. That's the one. Yeah. She's great. And I, I really like, I, I think I've made some stuff off TikTok. You know how you, have you seen the

like egg grilled cheese sort of one where you put the egg? Like the omelet with the bread. And then you flip it over and it's just a sandwich? Yeah. Like that's pretty cool. There's some cool stuff happening. I made a grilled cheese yesterday. And?

In the pan. I like really made it nice with like smart butter, bread, and it was so good. Like literally decadent as fuck that's what i've been making every day but yesterday my avocados had ripened so i made an avocado toast and it was so good i immediately got up and made another one oh that's so good you know sandwiches are good but they're relatively small i feel like unless you're having like a BLT with like a million things. Yeah. But like a PB&J or a grilled cheese, like to me is much more of a snack than it is a meal. I kind of agree. Like I used to think a sandwich was like a big meal, but it's, it's not that much. No, it's

definitely, you need like chips to go along with it. You definitely need some side dishes. Also, it depends on your bread. Like the square footage you get on your bread can really make an impact into the size of your sandwich. And the bread that I was using, which is very good, Sarah Lee whole wheat, they're small slices. So it really felt like more of, you know, an appetizer than an entree. I've started using Ezekiel bread that Snitch uses because I'm just like, I should save

calories where I can. And it's actually really good. And I don't even taste a difference. But last night I made meatless bolognese with chickpea pasta. I actually made three different kinds of pastas because I was making the chickpea pasta for the bolognese because I was like, I'll try and be healthy. But I was like, what if it's gross? I wasted all this bolognese. So I made regular pasta and I had all this extra regular pasta because I was making so much pasta that I made half of the regular pasta into pesto pasta for my husband so I had three different kinds of pastas and I ate so much of the chickpea pasta and it was just like not good compared to pasta and it's like if you're gonna eat pasta go all the way like if I'm gonna be healthy I'll have

a salad but I'm not eating healthy pasta like it was I it also made me like so full because there was so much fiber I just felt like kind of gross all night. Um, I was like, did I eat too much? Maybe I should have just eaten regular. I would have known what I was doing. It was confusing. Yeah. Um, I have never obviously had chickpea pasta. So once again, I'm just speaking from a lack of experience, but I can't imagine that it would be good. Yeah. It's just like, if you're in the mood for pasta, it's just like if you're in the mood for pasta it's just not pasta so go all the way or don't yeah or like have a salad i'm just in life i'm all or nothing that's just my motto for everything i i think everyone knows that about me by now um so chickpea pasta just doesn't fit into that equation yeah i'm sorry that that happened to you. It's okay. It was a learning lesson, you know.

That's what life's about, Jackie. Learning. Okay. Our fifth and final story is really sweet because Vanessa Bryant has shared a letter from Kobe Bryant on her birthday. Vanessa Bryant was able to open one last letter from Kobe on her birthday, revealing she waited until her special day to read an unopened envelope from her late husband. She said, yesterday I found an envelope labeled to the love of my life from to Poppy, she said. I waited to open one more letter on my birthday. It gave me something to look forward to today. That is like a book to find an unopened letter, you know? Big time. Wow. That's really sweet. Oh, my God. I mean, I just can't, like, talk about these two because it's, like, my worst fears, and I feel so sad. And I just, like, love her, and I'm glad that she got, like, a little gift on her birthday. It reminds me, it's so, actually, no, it's not even remotely similar.

But regardless, I think that this is lovely. And I like how she publicly deals with her grief. I feel like a lot of people are more introverted about it, like don't share. People in the public eye and then also just like regular human beings. Yeah. So I just think she's so brave. I completely agree.

I feel like it's something that when you see someone else going through it, it just makes you feel less alone. Totally. And I think she's a wonderful woman. So those are the past five stories. Honestly, they were all five stories about wonderful women. No, they were five stories, and they were fast. Oh, they were definitely fast.

But have no fear. Our show is not even close to over because Jackie's going to recap her TV from last night, and then we're going to dive into Dear Toasters, which is our advice segment. And Vanderpump Rules recap. That's what we have to do first. I know. But let's just hit it. Okay, so this is my thoughts on the episode. Like, it was an episode where nothing major happened, making me realize, like, this is now the show. Like, when they went to that beach cleanup, I could not believe that Stassi and Bo were there, like, supporting Max's beach cleanup. It's like, they're really trying to- The coolest beach in the world.

That was so funny. They're really trying to beach in the world that was so funny they're really trying to like integrate the cast and i guess this is just how it is we're not even gonna like try like the i just couldn't believe that sassy and beau were there i really i could understand like katie and tom because tom works with max but um it was it was interesting and i didn't mind it at all um i wish we got like more of the beach looks because i was absolutely didn't mind it at all. I wish we got like more of the beach looks because I was absolutely loving Lala Kent's look and I just needed more of it as well as Dana's. And I guess the two big things of the episode were Sheena and her music video. And I was literally, I watched the music video because she, of course she posted to her Instagram, like watch what you didn't see because

we kept seeing like the same highlights and the zooming in on Brett's face. Like, I was freaking out. Like, that was the craziest thing I ever saw. Why would you – it's just weird, like, that she would use, like, a friend and someone that she had a – like, obviously, she was using it to, like, get close to him. Of course. And maybe, like, make him realize that he's in love with her and she'll give him a blow job and like, he'll just want to be with her forever.

She's so transparent. She's so transparent. It's crazy. But also like Dana is her friend and Dana's hooking up with him. Like it was so wrong on so many accounts. Like I was uncomfortable watching it. I can't even imagine being there and she wasn't even paying him it was like it was so weird and then I'm so glad that when he said to her like I was uncomfortable that she like legit understood and was like I'm so

embarrassed I feel weird I'm like good because we all fucking feel weird yeah I just think Sheena sometimes like forgets who she is you know and and to me like the most interesting part of the episode but I could have watched a whole episode on was the love triangle because like I love Dana I love that everyone like wants her and that like she now has options and I hate that whole Max thing like I was scared it's like come on this is 2020 we don't even say that anymore like I can't deal with stuff like that and I hope that she doesn't go back to Max um and I love how like everyone's so invested in it. Like Stassi at the beach was like,

I heard you're in a love triangle. Like it really is the most interesting thing going on in the group and in the show. And I thought last night's episode was going to be better than it was because there were so many events. They had Kristen's thing. They had the beach thing.

They had Tom and Ariana's dinner party. Like I thought they were just being more momentum because usually it's like one birthday party a week, but there was three this week. And it was just like nothing sauce yeah and the other big thing is like jackson his temper that was really fucking weird and crazy um and then this stuff with like kristin it makes me realize there's so much that we don't know because that was just something off-handed that he said just to prove that she's a liar um that she had sex with someone two weeks ago and she was saying it was four weeks ago and she's with carter like it's weird yeah but it's like at this point the show's becoming confusing because there's so much that we don't know like

with the katie kristin and stassi drama um i didn't listen but apparently stassi had katie on her podcast where they gave so much context to as to why their friendship with kristin is being um coming to an end. And now it's like with this Kristen stuff and Jax, it's like, I don't even know what they were talking about. Literally, I was so confused. And the producers are just making us do so much like physical labor to figure out what's going on.

The show is not laying it out for us anymore. And I'm just confused. I honestly didn't know what was going on at Kristen's t-shirt thing like the whole time. Yeah, and it's like, it's weird. And it's also all these people who don't like each other but are just, like, kind of pretending to. Like, even Tom and Jax, like, they go sneakers cleaning together.

And then in their interviews, like, they're talking shit about each other. So it's, like, why am I watching them clean their sneakers together? Yeah, everyone was, like, coming for Jax. But, you know, I'm a Jax apologist, and I just, like, really like him. I felt really bad for Brittany. But I just feel like Brittany takes a lot. And she, like, kind of reached her breaking point last night, and I felt really really like him. I felt really bad for Brittany, but I just feel like Brittany takes a lot. And she like kind of reached her breaking point last night and I felt really bad for her.

Yeah, I felt really bad for her and I thought Jax was like totally out of line, but I just didn't get it. Maybe that's the point is like it was just coming out of nowhere, but he seemed like he was on about something and we just weren't getting it. Yeah, and then he was like saying how he's having, going through some struggles. What he was trying

to say is like his mental health is like not at its best, but he was like, I'm having mental problems. And it was like, I wanted to feel for him, but then like the way he speaks so derogatory about like Ariana and her journey with depression, I was like, this, these two are not equal. Like he was, you can't, you can't want sympathy from people and then be like a dick to someone else who's going through the same thing. Yeah, I totally agree. That's how I felt also. So it was a fine episode. Yeah, it was fine. Um, okay. Little fires everywhere. So I finished it and I just want to say like the show is really, really bad. And I thought the book was bad. And then the show was even worse because they make all of the characters even more unlikable. Like they made Mia so much more

unlikable. They made Elena so much more unlikable. They did all these things in the show that didn't happen in the book. And it's like, there was enough going on in the book that we could have, like, you just added like all of these different crazy things and it just wasn't necessary. And now at the end of the book and at the end of the show, the house burns down. And in the book it is spoiler alert. It is Izzy who burns the house down and she really, you get it. She's just fucking done with these people. She's done with this house. She's done with this life in the show.

Um, also like Elena becomes so much of a worse character in the show because she like doesn't like Izzy. She never wanted her. She never wanted to be her mother. She doesn't enjoy being her mother. And in the show because she doesn't like Izzy. She never wanted her. She never wanted to be her mother. She doesn't enjoy being her mother. And in the book, it's not like that. She really feels so protective over Izzy because she was a difficult baby and a difficult pregnancy. And she just always had to be like, no, Izzy, no, Izzy, no.

And now her whole life, she's just like, Izzy, no. And all Izzy hears is no. But in the show, they it like where Elena says to Izzy like I didn't want you and Izzy runs away which she does in the book anyway and then the other three kids burn down the house in the show yeah so but like the other three kids yeah they're going through a rough patch as a family but you don't burn down your fucking house over that no that makes no sense and you know what i understand like when tvs or movie shows adapt from books and things get changed but like to me to change like the biggest thing it was like it's a murder mystery and then you change like who actually

murdered the person like to me that just seems so weird yeah it was just weird um they added all of these different elements like elaine all these problems between elena and joshua jackson and that did not exist in the book at all and it's frustrating because like they made elena into this monster and yeah she's not a great person by the end of the book but she's not like philandering and cheating on her husband and she didn't cheat on him 15 years ago she never like walked out and went to a bar and met someone else and she didn't do that in New York City either. So like there was already so much to unpack. Even like in the show, Brian and Lexi break up. And like Lexi is so upset about it. And that didn't happen in the book. I'm pretty sure. What about the baby? Oh, so this is what happens in the book and in the show. The court case

happens. The judge rules that the baby belongs with the McCulloughs. Not the birth parents. Not the, not BB Chow. And then like that night or the next night, BB Chow, while everyone is sleeping, goes to the house,

takes the baby and gets on a plane to China. And they, the McCulloughs like spend some time looking for her, but they know that they never will find her. But in the show, they kind of botched that storyline too, because they had like, and what Linda McCullough realized in the book was like,

she woke up the next morning and the baby was gone, but she realized that the baby did not cry when BB took her, you know? Cause like that is her mother. In the book, they fucking botched him. Linda's trying to fall asleep. The baby monitor goes off with a little crying. The husband's like, don't worry, we're safe. Don't like, doesn't let her go and check. And then later in the middle of the night, she goes to check on the baby and the baby's gone. And BB goes to like Niagara Falls. But that just makes it seem like, oh, they're going to look for the baby now. Whereas in the book, it is so final

that they are never going to find this baby and that BB and the baby are in China. See, like to me, that whole storyline with the birth mother was more interesting than like the fire and Izzy. Like I didn't fucking care. Yeah. And that's really like the biggest storyline in the book.

And then in the show, it becomes ancillary because there's all these other storylines happening like Izzy and the drama between the Richardsons. And it's just like, it's crazy. So overall, I thought it was a bad show based on a bad book, but the show made it worse. Yeah. And the show got worse. I thought that maybe that's why they did it the way that they did because the first three episodes they released were pretty good. And then I just felt like each week we got another episode and it just, it just got worse and worse and worse. And I just legitimately forgot to watch it.

Yeah. And I could understand that. It also just like gave me a pit and was really sad. I don't know. And I couldn't separate the book from the show. And that's what I'm realizing now is I actually don't like when books are turned into shows or movies I'm realizing because it just like kind of ruins it for me because they definitely do take creative liberties but like so there's a show on Hulu now called Normal People based on a book I just read

the book I didn't like the book that much mostly because of the way that it was written um and now I don't really want to watch the show either because I'm like, you're just comparing the whole time and then it just, it's weird. So I did all of this because I wanted, so ultimately I read Little Fires Everywhere because I wanted the sensation of reading a book and then having it turn into a show and what did that feel like?

And here I am a few months later, felt bad. Okay, great. So you never have to do it again. Yeah, now I know. Okay, anything else that you watch that you want to talk about before we head over to Dear Toasters? I don't think so. Okay. Dear Toasters, our advice segment. If you ever want to write in, we always keep it anonymous. It is deartoasters at gmail.com. We'll talk about anything from quarantine stuff to wedding stuff, whatever you want. Here we go. Dear Toasters, I want a new

wedding ring, but every time I bring it up, it seems to upset my husband. We got engaged fairly quickly and we're moving across the country for my job. So all the time we agreed to use, at the time we used, agreed to use a family ring from my now mother-in-law to save money. It's pretty and dainty, but nothing I have, I would have picked out. There's also a lot of drama and tension surrounding our engagement. So I'm just not emotionally attached to it. I'm not allowed to wear my ring at work and when I can wear it I'm never excited to put it on my husband often asks why didn't you wear your ring I've tried a number of times I'm sorry I've tried a number of different bands to make it work for me and it just doesn't anytime I bring up a replacement my husband shuts down and makes comments about how I don't care about the ring

he got me but it was free so I'm confused why he seems to be so attached to it. We have been very happily married for several years and more in love than ever. I want something special to wear to symbolize that, but I'm afraid if I push the new ring, it'll be tainted too. I think you just got to like ride it out a little with the ring. Like I think once you're married,

you can talk about an upgrade um no they are married oh they are yeah husband how long have they been they got engaged she didn't say but they got engaged like kind of quickly because they were moving across the country for her job so they didn't it was like a it was not like a shotgun wedding but the engagement was was quick because of all these moving pieces so she just took this ring from her mother-in-law. Now they've been married for a while, and she wants a new ring. I think that's fair. I just think you need to find the right occasion to be receiving,

whether it's a five-year anniversary or a big birthday, 30th, 35th. Let your husband know that you love this ring, but you're just ready for a new one. I don't know. This is really weird. I don't know what to tell you. Yeah. But people upgrade their rings all the time. Even if it has nothing to do, even if your ring wasn't free,

it's like you're married one year and then you're in a different place in your 10th year and you want something to signify the 10 years. Like, yeah, but then you have to wait till you have to wait till 10 years. Yeah. I don't know how many, I don't know how many years this girl has been married,

but like five years, that could work. That's what I'm saying. Just make it for a big milestone. Cause people don't just like get new engagement rings on a Wednesday. But I think that that's fine. And also, yeah, because it was technically free, it's not like you're wasting money. Yeah, you haven't spent the money yet. So I just think be honest and a patient.

Yeah, but I don't think it's an unreasonable request. No, I don't think so either. I think like you should be happy with your ring. Of course, like you should look down on it and like think of the wonderful life you've built together, like not your mother-in-law if you don't like her. Yeah. Hey, Jackie and Claudia. First off, thank you guys so much for taking the time to read my email. Nothing crazy, but I need someone to tell me I'm being crazy and to stop. Or I need someone to tell me it's okay and to keep indulging in this guilty pleasure of mine. So I am in a very happy relationship with my boyfriend of four years. We're pretty solid, but I have this guilty pleasure of making fake Instagram accounts and following my ex-boyfriends

on it. Like, why am I like this? Does this mean I'm secretly not over my exes and I don't realize? What do you guys think? No matter how many times I try and stop obsessing, I just can't stop and I make another account. I love knowing what they're up to. I feel like this isn't normal, but I have no idea. I can't afford a therapist, so I need your guys' opinion. Thank you. Love a one day or fan. One day. Okay. A day one or fan. Sorry. That's so funny. I'm going to go ahead and say the fact that you follow all of them and you care about all of them means you don't care about one over the other. This isn't about you being hung up on one X. This is just like, I kind of, I get it. I don't think it's that alarming. I think if it was just like one person, like the one that got away and you just like, can't move on from it. Um, that would be a little bit more concerning,

but you seem like you have a good attitude about the whole thing. Some people just like, need to know, like some people, even when it's like an enemy of yours or a former friend, you just need to follow them. Some people don't like, and I don't think there's anything like really wrong with it. Just because you're following a former friend doesn't mean just because you're like stalking a former friend doesn't mean you don't love your new, your current friends. Like you just like have this innate need to know. And I think that that is fine. You are, you are the type, Claudia is the type of person that like needs to know what her enemies are up to.

All the time. Like I need to know what everyone is up to all the time. I relate to this so hard. I don't think you're in love with your ex-boyfriends. Like I have a fake Instagram account too that I keep up with like, not really ex-boyfriends, but just like people I hate. And I totally just like need to know what they're up to. I check it four fucking times a day. Like I hear you. I don't think you're crazy. It's, you know what? Information is powerful and I feel that. So I think you're totally fine and you can keep looking. I just, I agree. If it were one, it would be alarming, but just like wanting to know what people from your past are up to, whether or not you were romantically involved to me is not weird. No. And you know what? I'm not like Claudia. Like I don't have a fence and

I don't stalk people that I wouldn't feel good about following, but I still think that this is fine. And I also feel like a therapist, like, I don't know if they were like an older, maybe you need like a contemporary millennial therapist. Cause a therapist like might think that this is alarming, but as a contemporary, I really don't. No no I don't think it's alarming at all but and like that's exactly what Jackie said like you have the self-awareness to know like it's kind of weird but that self-awareness makes it okay yeah definitely um as long as you like and this is on you to like decipher is like if you see like one of your exes has a new girlfriend as long as as that's not like a punch in the stomach, and you're just keeping tabs, that's fine. And Dr. Theodore Fitzgibbon is here, and he wants you to know that he completely endorses this. Dr. Theo Fotch has officially entered the chat.

Hi, Theo. Okay, sorry. So fucking cute. All right, third and final, dear toasters. It's a little bit long. Let me get my, I've been like reading not well today. Same, always. Hey, ladies. Firstly, thank you so much for creating such a wonderful, such wonderful content during this time. The scenes have really been a bright light during this pandemic. Thank you.

Now, my issue slash question. I am 36 and I've been with my 33-year-old boyfriend for just over two years. We have lived together since last summer. We have a great relationship. We both treat each other well, the same values, and we love each other's families. We had a serious relationship talk before Christmas about our next step engagement and how it would happen around summer this year. Well, now that Q has put everything on hold, he doesn't want to make any plans, especially large financial ones, until we know how this will unfold. We're both lucky enough to still have jobs. However, I'm in event planning,

so working on my clients' weddings all day makes me that much more aware that my life is on hold. My question is, cue aside, how much did you both discuss getting engaged before the actual proposal? Did you give Ben and Mames a gentle push or a firm one? How do you think I should approach this with everything going on?

I mean, it's not like jewelry stores are even open now. I'm trying to stay positive with everything cue-related, but I'm impatient and I'm not getting any younger. Thanks. Toaster, ready for the ring. Okay. So the Q definitely complicates everything, but to answer your first question, how much of a, did we talk about it? What kind of push was there? Yes, we definitely talked about it. Like we each had our own sort of like timelines of how we thought things should play out. And I think eventually both of those, like he wound up proposing earlier than he would have. And I wound up getting engaged later than I might've thought. It definitely takes like the romance out of it to have to

talk about it all the time, but you know what? Like we're mature adults. Like we need to communicate. These are big decisions that we're making about our futures and like people should be on the same page. Sometimes it's the difference of a few months and I don't think that is a big deal, but when it's a difference of a few years, like that is something that needs to be talked through because you guys obviously have different ideas of your future and that's important. With the Q though, that would technically be the difference of a few months and I feel like you can give him that grace period because yeah, people don't want to be making financial investments at this time like all weddings are postponed like you know the girls who got engaged in 2019 like 2021 is now their year so like everyone kind of gets pushed back a little bit

um so I think with quarantine it just means like being a little bit more patient but I feel like you can say to him like I want to be engaged by the end of this year. And that would be very fair. Yeah. The timeline is, like, I just get such anxiety for people. Like, I was lucky enough to have, like, the structure of college where it was, like, we knew we were going to get engaged after college. So, like, that was all that really needed to be said because, like, graduation came

and then we were engaged a month later. But, like, when people have, like, jobs like jobs and now like with the financial crisis like it really does add all these external elements that like make it already uncomfortable conversation like a little bit more uncomfortable and confusing and I feel for you um Jackie's right like a few months in the grand scheme of the world is really not a huge deal I'm sure you're just like thinking of weddings 24 7 because it's your job and therefore it's making you antsy but I think the quarantine delaying your engagement like is okay yeah just like figure out what you can live with let your partner know and if that's what like if they want to make you happy like you they'll they'll get to step in and do and do that know? And I feel like now quarantine is, we're on the tail end of like

hardcore quarantine. So you want it to be engaged by summer. Maybe it'll happen in the fall and that is okay. Yeah. And you know what? If you get engaged now, like you'll probably have to get engaged in your apartment. So maybe just wait a few months. Yeah. Or like over Zoom. Yeah. Also, I forget what I was going to say. Oh, the most important thing though is that you still want to marry this person. And I think being in quarantine, like gives you that absolute certainty or not about where you stand. So you know what, if you are certain that you want to marry this person, like it will happen. And that's the most important thing to know right now. And have that certainty preach well that was it good

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