The Toast - S4 Ep213: Justice Smollett: Friday, December 10th, 2021

Episode Date: December 10, 2021

Jussie Smollett guilty of staging race-baiting hate attack to boost career (NY Post) Josh Duggar Found Guilty on Child Pornography Charges, Facing Potential 40-Year Prison Sentence (PEOPLE) Kanye West Asks Kim Kardashian to 'Run Right Back to Me, Baby' During Benefit Concert (PEOPLE) Miley Cyrus and Pete Davidson Reveal They Got Matching Tattoos After Saturday Night Live in 2017 (PEO)PLE) Peloton Responds to Death of Sex and the City Character in First Episode of And Just Like That... And Just Like That... Recap SPOILERS END 44:02 Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip Recap Sex Lives of College Girls Recap The Morning Toast with Claudia (@girlwithnojob) and Jackie Oshry (@jackieoshry) Merch: https://shopmorningtoast.com/ The Morning Toast Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/themorningtoast Girl With No Job by Claudia Oshry: https://www.girlwithnojob.com/bookSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Good morning, Millennials. Welcome back. Oh, my God. Welcome back to the Morning Toast and happy Friday, Friday. Gotta get down on Friday. Everybody's looking forward to the weekend, weekend. Happy Friday, Jackie. Happy Friday, toasters. Welcome. We did it, you guys. I mean, at times it felt like it might never come. An uphill battle. That's the beauty of the week. If you stick it out, it will eventually be Friday. That's true.

If you build it, Friday will come. If you persevere, it will be here. And I'm so excited that we are all together on this Friday. It's a very Friday-y Friday. I know. There's like magic in the air. Magic in the air. Tis the season. And I'm just really excited to embark on my Friday. It's a very Friday-y Friday. I know, there's like magic in the air. Magic in the air, tis the season, and I'm just really excited to embark on my weekend. I am too. Oh my god, your water bottle just like popped. My water bottle's excited to embark on the weekend.

Well, you know what? I'm definitely feeling the Friday vibes, but I have a lot to accomplish here at The Morning Toast before I can set foot peacefully into Friday, because I worked so hard for the toasters yesterday. I watched literally everything on TV. Okay. I watched the episodes that are available of And Just Like That, which we will be recapping and we will be giving spoilers. It is the fifth story. It's the fifth story into the TV recap.

There will be a major spoiler because a major thing happened. Yeah. And, but we'll let you know before. You're good right now. We'll let you know. We'll give you time. I watched the entire season of The Sex Lives of College girls and i absolutely must put it in the tv recap i also finished ultimate girls trip real housewives which i know you did too yeah so we will be discussing recapping and chatting about

that in the tv recap how many episodes are there of sex in the city two oh okay but they're about an hour they're not the classic 30 minute episodes got it i'm really looking forward to hearing your thoughts it's a lot like it felt like a lot it's a lot it looks like a lot it feels like a lot I would be surprised if it was anything less than a lot so yeah I mean obviously there's this major spoiler everyone's talking about but also there was a lot going on like with the characters that I found to be just as interesting specifically my girl Miranda okay I'm excited to hear about it in the tv recap and to talk about Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip I have so many thoughts and I don't know if I've ever had less popular opinions in my

life. Ooh, I know what it's going to be. We'll talk about it. Yeah. But I was looking on Twitter and like, I didn't even see one rogue person. That agreed with you. Who agrees with me or anything like that. It was also a lot.

And I have, we just, there's a lot to break down today. And there's a lot of news a lot of legal news a lot of justice judicial system doing their thing yeah some verdicts were coming down yesterday and justice has been served some verdicts were coming down some gavels were coming down pretty hard as well yes I'm gonna hang on to this because I'm feeling today's episode might be a little judicial it's gonna be quite judicial and I could jump in feels a little judicial. It's going to be quite judicial. And I could jump in. Feels a little premature. I'm ready because like I was saying,

I'm so here to like dive into Friday, but not before I do my job to the fullest extent of the law. And I have a lot to say today. Okay, so maybe we just dive right in. Any personal updates? No. No, I literally like was a disgusting piece of shit yesterday who watched so much television for my job.

So it's acceptable. And that's like what I did all fucking fucking day well thank you for your service and just a little book update because I've been reading a lot and watching a lot of TV finished inheritance games um I just like I'm so annoyed that I wasted my time and now like no no I feel then I started the new Jodi Pickle book Wish You Were Here and you know she's like such an acclaimed author and never heard of her yes you I think she wrote My Sister's Keeper I've actually never read a Jodi Pickle book but you would recognize all the titles yeah for sure because they're made into movies and so her new book like just dropped and I was cautiously choosing it because it is about the pandemic oh and so it starts like red flag it starts march

13th 2020 red fucking flag but i it's a so far it's not triggering okay and i'm about 15 in and because she like she's supposed to go on a trip like on march 14th and she still goes and she gets like stuck on the island because that's cute it's not like it's not about covid it's just her circumstances and if in the book are due to the covid yeah circumstances okay that's not bad so i'm i'm reading cautiously i will keep you guys posted because like no yeah but so far so good so that's my reading update and um i will continue to share with you i feel like if i keep going at this rate i might reach 100 no like so my goal is always 50. This is my 60th book.

Oh, I thought you were going to get close to 100. Last year, I read 65 books. I did not think I was going to top last year. You will because we're going on like a low-key mountain vacation. If I don't choose any books that are like more than 500 pages, I could probably do it. Yeah. Whenever you hold these gavels, do you feel the need to touch your knee like you did at the doctor, like to check your reflexes?

You just faked that. Yeah, for sure. What am I supposed to feel? You're supposed to, it's supposed to be a reflex. That's the point. Am I a serial killer? Let me bang it. Oh my God, no, do yours.

Okay. I think also your leg is supposed to be hanging off the doctor's table. Like, I don't think this counts. And also, I think it's like when you know it's coming because you're administering it oh that's a really good call it's a little you are so smart sometimes thank you I'm probably not even right but it sounded good so I was hoping to reach my goodreads goal of 30 books um and I'm ready at like 26 and I just haven't been able to pick up my kindle but I'm hoping just to like bang out five while we're on vacation yeah you, you'll do great.

The hard part is finding the books. Yeah, send me recommendations for like really cute, twisty, turny, short books. I'm trying to hit a goal here, okay? No, it's so funny. In like the Redheads Facebook group, everyone's like, I'm trying to hit my reading goal. Can people recommend some short books?

Get some crap. No, but it could be good. Read Franny and Zoe. That was like 90 pages, but it was tough. I might just do that. No, I think you would actually hate it. I think you'd be better off reading like 300 pages of Colleen Hoover. Of the Odyssey.

Of Colleen Hoover. I fucking love Colleen Hoover. That's easy. I would read like a 500 page Colleen Hoover book. Did you read Layla? No, because that was the one Colleen Hoover book you told me I wouldn't like. Well, I have a chemistry that I haven't spoken about this. At the Redheads. You're so modest. I'm so modest. No at the Redheads we are currently running Reader's Choice Best Book of 2021 because

the editor's choice with all the hosts was so controversial. What book won from the editors? So it was bait everyone gave their top three picks and then then if your third pick got a score of one, your second pick got a score of two, and your first pick gets a score of three. And then I added up all of the numbers. And because Dana and I had the same number one book. That book won. That book won.

That book is also Margot and Rebecca's least favorite book that we read this year. So it was Clara and the Sun. But it's also like written by like a Nobel laureate. Like it is a good book, but it was just not the Redheads cup of tea. I by like a Nobel laureate like it is a good book but it was just not the Redheads cup of tea so I posted like that's the Redheads book of the year and the people were up and quaking so I was like you know what let's take it to let's do a reader's choice and it's pretty shocking you are such like a community manager of the Redheads like you know and I feel like you don't even talk a lot about the Redheads so successful it's like one of our

most successful ventures it's really like it's almost at 50k on instagram that's crazy it really brings me so much joy and nachos and i love every part of it and it's looking like the midnight library is going to be the reader's choice best was that yours no that was dana's and honestly it was my number two i'm totally okay with that but shockingly leila comes in at number two it's Colleen Hoover yeah is it long no and I think you would like it and the redheads liked it and you like I drive with the redheads you're usually in line with them you know I drive for sure so I need to join a book club podcast full of like you know snitches choices no no because you know what snitches choices are not even my genre I thought that they were and then she made me read American Royals,

and I never trusted her again. And she stands by that decision. I need a book club full of bored housewives who are looking for cute, erotic, romantic comedies. I think there are so many book clubs like that. I actually think that's the stereotypical book club, and I think that's the one I need to join. Yeah, maybe.

You guys are too scholarly for me, I think. Well, it's every month is different. It's a mixed bag. It's a mixed bag. Yeah. Because Dana's really scholarly. I think Rebecca and I are pretty much like on the same wavelength of like. Snitches.

Sometimes we're like genre fluid, but we do love historical fiction. And then snitch comes in with. To bring the age average slightly down. Yeah. And to bring the pornography slightly up. That's what I love. You know what you might like? What?

Even though like we all look back on it and we're like, no. But it was just like a, it was, I think you might like it. Red, white, and royal blue. Oh, you know what? I've gotten recommended that a bunch of times. Yeah. I would have read it even if it wasn't a redhead's choice because it was coming up on so many lists.

And I think you might like it. Okay. So yeah, five more books. I think I can do it. I think you can do it too she's gonna do it you guys. No I'm definitely gonna do it. Yeah. Even if I have to just like catalog some Dr. Seuss books you know. Yeah yeah yeah no you you'll be great you're also such a fast reader I think you're a faster reader than me. I'm extremely fast. Yeah. Because um my font is so big on my kindle that's my little hack. That's insane. You read so fast when your font is enormous. But like you get carpal tunnel now from tap, tap, tapping.

No. Tap, tap, tapping on the glass. Waving through a window. All right, let's jump in. I do feel ready now. And also, if you are redhead, make sure to go vote in the final poll. It's up on our Instagram story. I want everyone's voices to be heard on this one.

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Great. Okay, our first story, big news. Jussie Smollett is guilty of staging a race-baiting hate attack to boost his career. Guilty on five out of six counts nearly three years after he claimed two trump loving bigots beat him up tied a noose around his neck and doused him in bleach jesse smollett was convicted thursday of staging a hate crime in a misbegotten bid to raise his public profile 12 i didn't realize that was the reason behind it yeah i mean like like it crossed my mind but i wasn't i wasn't sure that was a verified fact

i don't this is this article this article seems a little editorialized it's in new york post 12 jurors in chicago criminal court found the disgrace actor guilty of five of six counts of felony disorderly conduct for filing a false police report following testimony from 13 witnesses and more than nine hours of deliberation. As the jurors read out the verdict, he stood huddled with his attorneys and kept his eyes trained on the panelists and remained stoic. The actor, who took more than an hour to return to the courthouse to hear the jury's verdict, now faces up to three years in jail, was later seen embracing his siblings and family. Following the verdict, his lead defense attorney said that the actor plans to fight the conviction on appeal.

He said, he's committed to clearing his name and he's 100% confident that he's going to get cleared by the Appalachian court. Unfortunately, sure. Jen sure. Juicy. Unfortunately,

that's not the route we wanted, but sometimes that's the route you have to take to win, especially a case where we remain 100% confident in our clients. Innocent. That is so delusional you know what i'm actually hear my questions i know that this is like a gross misjustice misuse of police resources but is this something you go to jail for um like relying to the police yeah yeah well he faces up to three years in jail given it's possible he could also

get out with like a year of community service yes so but yes it seems as though he might up to three years in jail. Yeah, but it's possible he could also get out with like a year of community service and parole. But yes, it seems as though he might go to jail for this. He lied to the police. I saw today that he used $100,000 of police resources. Is he getting fined for that? On this little stunt. So crazy. I didn't see anything about fines. Okay, well that was my first question.

And my second question is like, does Juicy have like a lot of money? Because like to keep fighting, it's a lot of legal expenses like i'm curious how he's paying for this because he was on empire for like a good amount of time and he definitely got paid a lot but he hasn't been working in three years yeah so i'm just curious i can't believe that was three years ago you know i know i saw a clip the other day of his Robin Roberts interview like it was just like going around before it was exposed that it was fake before it was exposed that it was fake where he's talking and he says I will never and he's like very you know somber and like chronicling what happened to him and he said I will never be a person that this didn't happen

to and it's actually that's exactly who you are no it's it's really harrowing to watch it like now knowing you know what's also harrowing to watch I came up on my TikTok this morning like clips of what you know different media news channels were talking about before this was exposed as being fraudulent so like just seeing um it was that woman who was on Roseanne. I think she's like Roseanne's sister. She's on the talk, like promoting Roseanne, but obviously no one could talk about anything else.

And she's just going so hard. And she's like, and there are people who are doubting Juicy. And it's just terrible. And I'm like, she had good intentions. Obviously, I don't think she's a bad person, but it's so awkward to watch it now, knowing all that we know, all these different news clips. It's just hindsight is just 2020 and it's painful to watch.

It will never not be like the craziest thing when I think about it. And I just remember, I can't believe it was three years ago already, but I just remember what like it never would have crossed my mind that someone could be fibbing about this. Especially because we're just living in such terrible times. what like it never would have crossed my mind no that someone could be fibbing especially because we're just living in such terrible times so it was such a believable lie and I think well no it's just because who would lie like right it's you don't fathom that some that that this could be made up yeah but sadly like hate crimes happen a lot yes so it's right it's not unfathomable exactly so when it happened it was just

and like everyone was so impacted by it I don't think there wasn't a celebrity who didn't speak out on it like it was just this horrific horrific story that never happened it's just it'll never blow my mind it'll never not be the craziest thing I ever lived through honestly yeah not to be dramatic no no it is that crazy and if you going to do something as crazy as staging your own hate crime, the levels of messiness that this plan included, like the checks and literally rolling up to the hardware store to get rope, like it was just so poorly planned for something so egregious and something so unethical because like there are so many people

who actually are victims of hate crimes and like this just like is like a stain but to like play on existing divisions to just boost your career yeah it's so twisted it ain't right and also I don't know how I mean if you are going to stage a hate maybe there are ways to he could have you know ordered the rope on amazon kept it no but still it would be on his amazon like in this day and age you know if he's sending them the script of what to say like that there's a paper trail unless you know maybe he should have wrote a pen and paper and then right burned it yeah it's just i'm grateful this saga is behind us because it was like the worst of humanity so and the justice system did her thing and juicy will i guess pay the price whatever it is like the fact that he's

still maintaining that this happened okay but let's be real like what else could he do like admitting do you know how embarrassing this is this is like like his his sister journey is also like famous like he has other people to think about like this is mortifying I don't know if I was him in this situation I don't think I would ever be in the situation I'm not sure what route I would take okay because admitting the truth is so humiliating yeah but lying under oath also bad yeah but perhaps okay say you want to stick to your story you've made you've come this far. But to go to appeals court or even suggest that you might. No, I know. Like once I would be found guilty, I think I would like let the jig up.

Like I would put my case to rest. Yeah. But maybe in some delusional way, like he really thinks he's innocent. Because it takes a really unwell person mentally to do something like this. So maybe in his own way, he does think. I'm just trying to rationalize because this is the most moronic story and it just keeps getting weirder. So I'm just trying to rationalize,

like maybe he does think he's innocent in his own special way. In his own special way. Just a thought. Well, speaking of unwell people in the justice system, Josh Duggar has been found guilty on child pornography charges facing a potential 40-year prison sentence.

Lady Liberty doing her thing yesterday. Josh Dougher's fate has been sealed. A jury on Thursday found the former reality star political activist and father of seven. A political activist? For who? I don't know. Guilty of two charges of unknowingly receiving and possessing child pornography, also known as child sexual abuse material. He faces up to 20 years of imprisonment and up to $250,000 in fines for each conviction, though because possession is a lesser included offense, he will technically only be sentenced for the receipt crime. Say that again? I don't understand.

His sentencing is expected in four months, but a date hasn't been scheduled pending a pre-sentence investigation. So we'll find out eventually how long it's going to be this is glorious news um i did see a report that some of the evidence that was brought into trial proved that he was like consuming and sharing child pornography of a child that's three months old okay so this is the type of fucking lunatic monster disgusting pervert we're working with and I pray to God this man spends the rest of his life in prison. I think he's disgusting.

I think his family is disgusting and I think the fact that we've known he's a pedophile for so long and he's just now like being brought up on serious charges is just insane because his family was protecting him. I hate this man with every fiber of my being and I hope he has a miserable fucking life. I had seen some anecdotes over like the course of the trial of what was found and it's so troublesome disgusting troublesome that twisted it's it's makes you sick to your stomach I know it's so awful and seriously like I hope in some way this investigation is helpful in you know it's like a leading them to I don't think he wasn't manufacturing it where he got those images

right so I hope this is like you know one cog in the machine but for now I'm grateful justice was served for this absolute animal and I hope obviously there's more benefits that come after. Yeah, but when you do think about like where this leads and like, you know, how many other people have these images. He's one of a million. Who makes these images. How many other people make images. It is so.

Twisted. Twisted the world that we live in. It's so disgusting. And seriously, death to them all. Death, death. But bright side. Justice has been served. Yes.

You know, we're two for three on public trials. We just have Ghislaine left. It's been a very legal judicial like a couple weeks it has been and I I just want to brace everyone like I don't think we're gonna get what we need me either in the Ghislaine situation and it's really disappointing and I'm doing like everything I can not to turn into a full-blown conspiracy theorist but I have literally not seen this trial being covered on any major news channels outlets I'm seeing it on like random Twitter accounts and I'm trying not to fall into like a deep dark hole of conspiracy but there's

just so much out there to consume conspiracy wise and I have a feeling it's not conspiracy if it's the truth thank you um I just have a feeling like we're gonna get absolutely nothing absolutely courtroom was closed like everything prosecution is like bundling they're about to rest I think yeah they like so much stuff that would have been illuminating has been like

kept private it's we're getting nothing you guys so I have a list I'm checking it twice Juicy check oh excuse me

uh Josh Duggar check Ghislaine I don't think we're gonna go three for three I really don't no and it's

I mean maybe she'll be found like maybe she will spend time in prison and whatever. But you know. It's not going to be this big. It's not going to be this big exposure. Where all the roaches come out. No, we're not getting that. Nothing of the sort.

No. And that's what we thought we were getting. And oh, how we have been fooled. I think we always knew. I don't know. There was a time where you couldn't fart without hearing Jeffrey Epstein's name. Like it was just such a conversation. It was such a part of the culture. Jeffreystein didn't kill himself all that stuff that you thought in no way can like these people escape public scrutiny and we've forgotten we have

all forgotten no I don't think it's the people that have no you're right it's the media it's the media yeah so that's disappointing but we'll cross that bridge when we get there are you ready for our next story? If it's a story that's brought to you by pros. Have you noticed some hair starting to shed after you have your baby? That can be really common. I know that's something you're really thinking about. And it can be really concerning.

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supplements and you'll get 15% off when you go to proz.com slash toast. That's P-R-O-S-E.com slash toast for your free in-depth hair consultation and 15% off custom hair supplements wonderful our next story Kanye West asks Kim Kardashian to quote run right back to me baby during the benefit concert Kanye is making another public plea for reconciliation to his estranged wife Kim Kim. While performing at the Free Larry Hoover concert Thursday at the LA Coliseum, Kanye dedicated his song Runaway to Kim. After singing the lyrics,

I need you to run right back to me, baby, the rapper added, more specifically, Kimberly. Oh, wow. Kim attended the concert with her sister Kendall and her mom, Chris. She also brought along two of her kids, North and Saint. I definitely feel like Kim and Kanye are going to get back together eventually but I think Kim is going to make Kanye like work extremely hard for it and like embarrass himself multiple times publicly. Okay I agree but I also I just don't want Kim to like overplay the hand

because then like it just takes one split second for the him to get fed up for the person who's chasing to be like I'm done and then it's too late so I hope that you know I think Kim has like a good gauge on Kaya I think she'll know I hope the timing's right but also like seeing all this and it obviously like it's every week now where he makes some sort of public plea to him which like you know the stans just love to see yeah um it's making me question like what happened between them because it's like he it seemed kind of like amicable like you want to live this way I want to live this between them because it's like he it seemed kind of like amicable like you want to live this way I want to live this way you know it's not really working

between us but now it's almost like he's asking for forgiveness yeah well I think the way that they were living was because of Kanye like he never came home he was always in Idaho right Wyoming um and I think like Kim's like okay so that's life you want good because it's the life you get and he's like actually no like I miss, so that's the life you want? Good, because it's the life you get. And he's like, actually, no, like I miss my family. You know, Kanye is very like family oriented. And I think like knowing that his family was waiting for him is one thing, but knowing that like they're living separate lives is probably another.

Yeah. And now when you think about it, like he sold the Wyoming ranch, or at the very least it's on the market. He bought a house in Malibu. Like he's committed to living in Cali. So I think she's making him do like a list of things. She's waiting the market he bought a house in Malibu like he's committed to living in Cali. So I think she's making him do like a list of things she's waiting the good amount of time like making him jealous. And in the meantime she's having fun she's having a great time. Um this works for me. Me too. Uh I just hope that the timing that they don't miss each other do you know what I mean? Yeah like she's playing hard to get he's chasing and then like just when she's about to give in he gives up yeah he meets someone and it's like yeah

no I've been pursuing Kim and she won't even give me like she's never coming home right because it's like humiliating like over and over to keep putting yourself out there I don't brutally rebuffed yes but like I don't find this to be like embarrassing on Kanye's part I find it to be really sweet me too and I also don't think like humiliation is a feeling Kanye is really capable of feeling because he's just so confident in himself. Right. Like that's not a feeling he can really feel I think. Right. And for Kim it's like the best feeling. She's dating like America's Bachelor. Yep. While you know Kanye is just waiting in the wings. No that's nice. And you know what she waited at home for him for so long. So now it's his turn to wait. Did you see anything else from the concert?

No, I didn't really. I didn't know that it was on or else I would have watched it. Like I was in such watching mode. You know what I watched? I mean, I at least tried. I think it was really late. Zach was up so late watching it. Oh, really? It was like streamed, right?

Yeah, it was on Amazon Prime. Well, I, again, watched so much stuff yesterday just because I'm amazing at my job. And I did start to watch the Travis Scott Charlemagne interview. Yes. And I wanted to do it for my people so I could come on here and recap it. But I really, I could not make it past like six minutes. It's 50 minutes. It is, it's clear from the get-go he's taking absolutely no responsibility.

So I've got message received. I don't need to watch the whole hour. And to be honest, and I know this is like so's clear from the get-go he's taking absolutely no responsibility. So I've got message received. I don't need to watch the whole hour. And to be honest, and I know this is like so ironic coming from me because every other word out of my mouth is like, like, like, like, like, like, totally, like, like. Travis is just, you know, you know, yeah, like, you know. And I'm like, I sound like that too, but I, like, it was just, it was filled with nothing. Tom Sandoval. Yeah, you know, you know.

And you know what? I'm now conscious of how many times I say you know, because it doesn't sound good. Other people, our like is other people's you know. Yeah. You know is not great. I do think it's better than like. Me too. Because there's less of a stigma around it.

Yeah, we'll get there. Don't worry. Yeah, but I agree. But the whole message of the interview was that he's taking no accountability so i don't really know why i needed an hour of that he said it in the first couple minutes okay yeah and i don't think well i actually didn't watch the whole thing so i can't really say i don't think charlamagne was hitting him with like the hard questions questions okay but there is i only watched for six minutes so 44 minutes if you

want to watch watch let. Let me know. I just, and I couldn't, like, gather from the comments what the general reception was. All the comments were really just, like, praying for the families. Yeah. So I'm not sure, like, what the interview accomplished. Got it. Well, speaking of Pete Davidson, sort of. Miley Cyrus and Pete Davidson reveal they got matching tattoos after SNL in 2017.

Miley and Pete used to share a secret tattoo. The singer and the comedian stopped by the Tonight Show starring Jimmy Fallon Thursday to promote their New Year's Eve special. While there, they revealed they once got matching tattoos after appearing in an SNL sketch together. They both starred in the show's The Baby Step sketch, which aired in 2017 and also featured Larry David. Before launching into the story of their matching ink pete joked it was a very dark time in our lives with cyrus saying that we were dressed as babies everything seemed fun and fine so after the sketch they um felt inspired to get something tattoos like that said we uh we babies but i guess pete's has burned off

since and that's so embarrassing for Miley. Miley still has hers. Like, I saw a lot of promo about this interview. Well, because they're doing promo. They're hosting New Year's Eve together, right? Yeah. Or she's, it's her thing. Oh, no, they're hosting it together.

Sorry. And so then they went on The Tonight Show last night and Miley, like, sang something and it was, like, funny. Ha ha. I feel like tacky promo like this is so beneath Pete yeah this is like so Miley like this is her she loves like kitschy um tonight show stupidity but I feel like Pete is so like not this no this whole thing was just uh corny corny weird I don't know and unclear I'm not understanding like what's going on and they got tattoos no that's like hella embarrassing like you got tattoos with someone and

like there's mysteriously burned off like you're left with this moronic tattoo yeah but I guess when you have so many tattoos it doesn't matter it's not like the biggest deal you just get something that you think is cute or funny yeah I. I don't know. Yeah. I know. This is like classic. Celebrity clickbait nonsense. I know. But good to know that they're hosting New Year's Eve together. Even though like, you know, I used to literally, when we were growing up, like I used to fucking love that show.

Like, reckon Dick and Clark. Rockin' Dickin'. Dickin' Rockin' Eve. Dick Clark's Rockin' Eve. Yes. I used to love it. It was like really like a cornerstone of like my childhood. And I can't think of anything I would rather watch less now.

Well that's also I think what it's meant to do. You know it's for the kids and the families. And then eventually you grow up and you go to the clubs. And it's like who the fuck is sitting at home watching this. No no but even if I'm home. Like we were home on New Year's. Last year and we were watching. Were we?

We were watching some program. Yeah some program. Actually I don't know if we watched anything. I think we just like had a club know I'm saying like it's not because I'm not home it's just because like it's all pre-recorded now like everyone's lip-syncing and it's like I'm just too smart to watch it no and yeah I agree I do think it has gotten down down like yes we've gotten older but it has gone down it has right like when we were like 12 that was like the height of it it had to have been yeah and it felt like you know to be asked to perform like as the ball drops on that was like the height of it. It had to have been. Yeah, and it felt like, you know, to be asked to perform like as the ball drops on NBC is like the height of your career.

Whereas like now it's like, who can we get to show up at midnight? Right. But is that just because we're old? Or like, do kids today like live for the ball dropping? I don't know. I also think of like the Thanksgiving Day Parade, whereas like when we were growing up, it was like the Miley Cyrus Jonas Brothers like oh my god it's the coolest thing yeah and now I'm watching it as an adult and I'm like they couldn't pay these

people enough to come okay I think that the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade like really still has its prestige I agree but I it has it it has and I will watch it like till I'm till I'm dead but it just felt like growing up like the performers maybe because it was targeted to us like but that's also just a kid like you don't realize that they're lip singing and it's like oh sparkly lights like it's all very impressive but i think it actually ages very well yeah no parade now being older i'm like you know they're it's not the most a-list no no no but it felt like a plus growing up yes but. But I do think for the most part, the Thanksgiving Day Parade is still like a really prestigious thing. I think people still love it. A hundred percent.

And I don't think Dick and Rock and Eve has the same effect. We'd have to talk to the campers. Yeah. Is that like their life? Is that their go-to? Right. I don't know. I don't think so.

I mean, now it's Ryan Seacrest. Yeah. It was Ryan Seacrest when we were kids. He was the guy. We never encountered Dick? No, I don't think we were Dick now it's Ryan Seacrest yeah it was Ryan Seacrest when we were kids he was the guy we never encountered dick no I don't think we were dicks dicks girlies yeah I don't think we were okay are you ready for our fifth and final story that's gonna lead into the TV recap that is also going to spoil and just like that so take a moment if you haven't watched in just like that and you don't want it to be spoiled, I would skip probably

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Maybe we'll try and get a timestamp in the description. Yeah. Okay. I'm looking right now for how long it takes us. For when you can come back in. Yeah. yeah then the final story Peloton responds to the death of Sex and the City truckers for Peloton responding to the death of Sex and the City character in first episode of

and just like that so here's the spoiler in the first episode Carrie and Mr. Big are enjoying wedded bliss only for their happiness to come to an abrupt halt when Big suffers a fatal heart attack after a 45-minute ride on his at-home Peloton bike. So there's like so much promo for the Peloton like before we find out that it's the thing that kills him and it feels just like a classic sponsored thing like he's talking about how he loves Allegra and he's about to do his thousandth ride and he loves the Peloton, about how he loves Allegra and he's about to do his thousandth ride and he loves the Peloton Peloton Peloton and then it's like the symphony they go to um Charlotte's daughter's piano recital and she's playing this like gorgeous symphony and as she's playing it he's on the bike

and the thing is climbing and he's climbing and then she drops the piano and he drops it that is so crazy I saw this morning a meme that was like peloton when they found out they're getting to be on sex and city peloton when they watch the episode and by the way peloton stock is dropping okay what did they respond so this is what they responded um because it seems sponsored but it's obviously not a member of peloton's health and wellness advisory council and preventative cardiologist said in a statement to the la times that while she sure quote sex in the city fans like me are saddened by the news that Mr. Big dies of a heart attack, the fact that he was on the exercise bike just beforehand has little to do with his death.

Mr. Big lived what many would call an extravagant lifestyle, including cocktails, cigars, and big steaks, and was at serious risk as he had a previous cardiac event in season six. Yes, he had an angina. These lifestyle choices and perhaps even his family history, which often is a significant factor, were the likely cause of his death. Riding his Peloton bike may have even helped delay his cardiac event. Okay, so like Steve is all like, why was he on the bike? And Miranda says like very like directly, the bike didn't kill him.

So I think they like tried to make it seem like it wasn't the bike, but it was just like a very, it almost seemed like an intentional attack. Attack on Peloton. Like whoever, okay, it's like whoever wrote this script has a lot of stake in SoulCycle bikes. Yeah, no, I agree. This is a really, I mean,

I'm sure this is a very real thing that could happen and I'm sure that it does happen, but that is a really crazy choice and if you do want to kill him like from his at home don't use the name brand bike yeah couldn't they just say the stationary bike yeah or I'm just gonna cycle at home yeah or like yeah totally so I didn't watch it but that's just a really crazy thing and the fact that they this spokesperson has to talk about like Big's lifestyle choices and like this fictional character and it's like it's so stupid but can we talk about like the fact that they killed Big off like they brought the show back it was supposed to be like

it's a light and fun show I just said it's my comfort show and it got so serious so fast and when you said yesterday that like they killed someone off I had heard that Big was going to die. And so when you confirmed it, like I knew that it was Big. And it was like hella sad. Like I actually did cry. Like the whole second episode is like preparing for the funeral and the actual funeral. And it's really sad. And like she gets his ashes. Like it's so dark and so bizarre.

They do that with every like Sex and the city ever since they wrapped it's like what's the worst thing that could happen carrie gets left at the altar what's the worst thing that could happen she cheats on big what's the worst thing that could happen big dies and it's like wait why couldn't we watch the 10 years of wedded bliss yeah no but they have this like fabulous apartment they were being so cute like and they do talk about covid they're not they're they're acting like we're living in a completely post-covid world like they're going out to dinner waiting for a restaurant they're not wearing masks and're acting like we're living in a completely post COVID world like they're going out to dinner waiting for a restaurant they're not wearing masks and they're like oh remember when we used to have to wear masks like it's fine it's not

bothering me because it's not like a main storyline um but I'm really struggling with the show between like absolutely like despising it and also like kind of really loving it and here's why the okay I actually have something to say for why I hate it okay so she's on a podcast and she's like this like kind of like old woman on the podcast and they're talking about like sex and anal and she's like getting really quiet and her boss is like you've got to step your pussy up that's what she said like this is a podcast sometimes we're gonna go there and you have to be able to go there like you were to writing about sex in the 90s in a newspaper like you can do that so she goes home and tries to step her pussy up. And she asks Big to masturbate in front of him,

in front of her. And, like, we watch it. It was horrifying. You watched it? Yeah. Did they show penis? No, no, no, no, no. But, like, it's just, like, two people sitting on a bed.

Like, one's masturbating and the other one's watching. Okay. It was horrifying. So it's shit like that that, like, they're trying to, like, I don't know, make kind of shocking moments like they used to have it's just not cutting it and not to be mean or ageist but like watching an old man masturbate is just not my idea of a good time I'm sorry maybe if it was like when he was younger I would have enjoyed it I'm sorry not to be ageist it was kind of disgusting I think that that's okay that is really it was just shit like that you know I'm really feeling

very comfortable in my choice not to watch but but okay wait but I also just want to say like as to COVID and TV I'm like coming to this place where it's like it used to be like I don't want to see it I don't want to smell it get it away like we it's hard enough living in it yeah but now it's like we have to live in this hellscape and it's not fair to watch TV shows where like they don't have to deal with it right you know and it just makes it makes you like more aware of how different things are that's actually true so I don't know what the right answer is because on the one hand I'm like I want to hear about you know I want you to represent reality on the other hand I'm like escape yeah yeah yeah no

so it's frustrating it's like even on when I'm watching Real Housewives and or reality tv and like they're wearing masks in situations that do not call for masks I'm like what are you doing it's performative it's right so I don't even know how I feel about it I just know like whatever everything that's being put out there is just like not doing it yeah I know I feel that um but here's the magic of the show and it's what in my opinion has been the greatest strength of the show always is the writing. Like I cackled like 15 times and I don't even really even, at shows that I love, like I never really like LOL.

I cackled. Like the writing is just so good and so funny, but it does feel like the show is like kind of morbid because we're watching Willie Garson, who's like the best and he's being so funny and he's still married to Anthony and he's dead. And then Big is dead on the best. And he's being so funny. And he's still married to Anthony. And he's dead. And then Big is dead on the show. Like it's just kind of morbid.

But there is magic there. And for me, what I'm really struggling with is the Miranda of it all. Because I have been like a Miranda spokesperson for years. I just really believe that she was the best person on the show. And I just don't believe the Miranda that I know would turn into the Miranda that we're currently seeing she's like a Karen and she's like a white savior who's like racist like she's like saying all this shit to her teacher about her braids and like it's just the Miranda that I know I don't think would have turned into this person but it is like a like an

interesting conversation on like people in our culture like white saviors like who think that they're like helping and they're actually making things worse um but it's disappointing because like Miranda's my girl and she's insufferable yeah and I actually do think my call about her exploring her sexuality is gonna happen because Carrie's boss that she does the podcast with is like this really cool young lesbian and they like have this moment at the funeral and then they tease it coming up they're like she's having marital problems with Steve so I think she might explore her sexuality which would be very interesting so does Carrie host a podcast or she just was like she's on the podcast she's like she recently started like

taking pictures of people street style on Instagram and like it got really popular and now she's like an Instagram like digital person and she started doing this podcast like it already existed and she's like one of the three like people who join panelists okay and um and she likes it but she like sucks at it got it sounds like Carrie yeah so um and it was like annoying because like right before Big died they were like gonna go to the Hamptons and like I'm like let me see the Hamptons house like I want to see Carrie's life now like she worked all these all this time like to have the life that she has now like we can't even see it I barely got to see their apartment before he dropped dead yeah like the closet and the shower like I got to see none of it damn yeah sounds

the reviews didn't look good you know I've actually seen people really enjoying it the thing is if you love the show and you love the characters, like, you will like it. Samantha. So what they say about Samantha is, you know, the book business isn't what it was, and at one point Carrie just had to, like, fire Samantha as her publicist because she couldn't pay her anymore, which is, like, bullshit because she's married to Big, but whatever. And apparently Samantha took it really hard, dropped them all as friends, moved to London, and won't answer any of their calls or texts. So they did leave it kind of open. But then at the funeral Carrie was like, I didn't want any flowers. And she walks in and there's like this gorgeous set of flowers on the coffin. And the women who

run the funeral home are like, well we know you don't want any flowers but these just arrived and they're really gorgeous and here's the note. And it was from Samantha. So she texted Samantha, thank you. So it is like open-ended. Like Kim Cattrall could come back. But it's just such a mischaracterization of Samantha like Samantha is the most ride-or-die bitch out there like who even knew Carrie was paying her all these years no I thought she was doing it pro bono because Carrie had no fucking money yeah so it was like it had holes in it but it also was just not who Samantha was like Samantha didn't care about money Samantha was so successful on her own Samantha was the best friend she

something so silly is that she never would have let like a 30-year friendship end because of that so I just feel like it was a misrepresentation of who Samantha was yeah I totally agree I don't think without Samantha for me it's just not it's not gonna work but if I like that they left it open for her to come back because that means they've left it open for me to come back yeah and so the fourth women who I think they're like planning to make like another seat at their lunch table is this woman who goes to the same school her kids go to the same school as Charlotte and she's like so cool and Charlotte like wants to be a friend on the PTA and they're like becoming friendly and I think that she's gonna become

like the fourth. Got it and what's up with Charlotte? She I have a feeling we're gonna explore one of her daughter's sexuality because she didn't want to wear the dress. The dress was like a whole thing. Maybe she's non-binary. I think that's where they were going with the whole dress thing. But her and Harry are just epic. It's like Lily, who was the oldest daughter, is very much Charlotte. Like concert pianist.

Loves this Oscar de la Renta dress that she bought. And the younger daughter is like more of a tomboy. Rose and her and Harry are really close. So's kind of like perfect cute yeah it's cute and Harry's like still the best I think if people came but if they came between Charlotte and Harry like people would riot but you would think the same about Carrie and Big you would also think the same it's like enough but we like Steve but you know Steve has actually aged extremely well it's interesting to see like how who's aging they They actually talk about, like, she's, so Miranda's going back to school. And Charlotte's like, well, are you going to dye your hair?

Like, she's fully gray. She's like, no. And Charlotte, like, makes a face. And so they talk about, like, how old they're getting. Actually, like, I would say they spent a little too much time talking about how old they're all getting. It's like, we get it. You're old. Talk about something else.

Yeah. Like, we know Steve is going deaf. Like, everyone's old. It's like a little annoying. Right. But then they also, like, disregard age when it comes to, you know, her trying to. Masturbate. But what about just like sex at any age?

Like, why don't you bring that to the podcast? 100%. Bloom where you're planted, Carrie. Bloom where you're planted, Carrie. Okay. So that is my Sex and City recap. And it's safe to come back. Yep.

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And I just really would have been enjoying watching QVC like me too I feel like I am the perfect audience member I spend so much time at home I'm always shopping and I love things like that make your life easier you know and they this is not an ad for QVC we've just been watching a lot because we haven't even spoken about how Margo recently got a gig on QVC and she's been like killing it no and like what even when her segment's over just i keep watching they have so many like great products they also have the best prices unbeatable and it's just really down to a science and i i've really been enjoying like i find it to be very soothing me too but you know i i'm gonna wind up with a house full of crap if i keep watching okay but like they were having

this thing did you see this like big charging block no It's like okay it's like a it's it was $79 and you could plug in just like an outlet to it. You could charge your phone obviously. You could jump start a car. It had like insane voltage for like a blackout. I actually feel like it was a really good thing to have. Oh no I saw something like that on Amazon recently and I thought it was a really good thing to have. You'll have to send me the link. I will. It was on QVC. Oh my gosh yeah jump start a car. Okay so let's do Ultimate Girls Trip. Let's's do ultimate girls trip which wrapped up on Peacock um I think yesterday the final episode came out yes what are your overall thoughts did you like it I love for some reason maybe it was just the headspace that I was in when I watched the first five episodes I couldn't get enough I'm like this is so great so different so unique

and then I took a couple weeks off and yesterday I watched the last three episodes six five six and seven um and I couldn't be bothered with the stupidity like it was just infuriatingly stupid I kind of felt the opposite in the beginning I was like this is a little awkward like everyone in their egos and I'm just like a little uncomfortable and then by the rest of the episodes I was like okay this is moving like a well-oiled machine and my issue with it only had to do with like you know the drama the drama and where everybody landed and I just I found it to be like really sad for Ramona like beyond you know just this she's not getting along with the girls like there were so many instances and I know she's like the I hate in being in a place where I have to defend Ramona because really she's quite indefensible but the

way that the other women were treating her and like the thing about Ramona is she says untoward things to your face and it's like what the fuck why would you say that why would you say Luann slept with Tom on the night yeah but what Luann says in her confessionals and what Luann says to other people about Ramona and behind her back is just as bad as what Ramona says to her face and like they act like they're so like Ramona's not savvy enough to navigate, you know, all of her shit talking. And she just kind of like lays it bare and is really messy,

but everybody else is doing the exact same thing to her. And then also Ramona like is the villain. She is in the wrong. And so, and everyone, I mean, Luann playing like the victim of all victims. And it's just like,

it's so funny to watch how the people from each other's seasons uh franchise yeah like how they misrepresent each other so and those are the people who are getting along the least so it's Ramona and Luann it's Cynthia and Kenya and it's Melissa and Teresa who have so deep-rooted we can't even get into it who literally don't even know each other but the thing about like in new york city yes everybody kind of like rags on lou but like lou did that shit like there was a time like embarrassing when lou was fucking insufferable it was the tom time it was cabaret time she got arrested like everything like right now lou is in such a good place but like, like, Lou is rewriting history. Yes. And Ramona is there to say that's not how it happened.

But the other girls are just, like, it's her truth. Like, and Ramona did try to tell you about Tom. Like, everybody tried to tell you about Tom. And even though it was a sad situation, like, you can't say that Ramona wasn't trying to be a girlfriend. No, I completely agree. I think in a lot of ways, yes, Ramona was, like, being insufferable, but that's just, like, so Ramona. But there was, like, a crazy amount of hypocrisy from the women. Yes. Like, especially when Luann and Ramona were getting into it on the boat and Kenya somehow

just like inserted herself right in the center of it and like did put hands on Ramona and like nobody said anything. Yeah. Even the Kenya Ramona drama starts on the plane. And as I was watching it, they do so many flashbacks in the show, which which is annoying but so Ramona's telling the story of how she met someone yep and and Kenya is literally like pushing the story being like you were cheating on your husband like if I were telling the story saying I was uh with my husband we're going through a divorce I met this guy we're flirting but you know I'm married and she's like and then someone's like you are still married

you're like you're not listening then and so she calls her like offhand a bitch which is like since when is that the biggest offense of all time no you know what I thought Kenya was like really pushing Ramona in that scenario and like misrepresenting what a nice story that Ramona was trying to tell everybody on the especially Kenya and Luann like are really pushing Ramona's buttons unfortunately Ramona is not savvy enough to like just put it out of her head and be like, I know they're trying to get at me. And she gives them the reaction that they want. And every morning she says she's not. She's looking at herself in the mirror and she's like, I'm gonna keep my mouth shut. And she becomes the villain and she's making it so easy for them. But

like then not only did really do they push her buttons and also like you can't talk about the Tom situation and lie like that. You know Ramona's gonna come and correct you and she's gonna look like an asshole. Yeah. Fell into your trap. Yep. But then now she's on the outs with everyone she's on this island of her own and she brings them all to John's house and she's like clearly like feeling herself having a moment she's already confided in the women like I have nothing to go home to everybody knows she's like this like kind of sad older lady and the way that kenya and luann evil were at that dinner just made me so sad for ramona it was so sad no it was it was so evil like the not only it was kenya's idea and luann's execution and just

together it was so mean spirited you know ramona had to pretend like she didn't care yeah obviously she did she did that at least and didn't just give them more reactions they would laugh at her more like yeah it was so mean girl and it's like kenya is the most popular girl in the house and everybody loves her and everybody's like following her and so and ramona is the biggest loser cynthia's giving her run for her money no i'm sorry cynthia is the biggest loser we're gonna get into that the biggest loser but ramona is the most on the outs the most disliked and when the most popular person is constantly like uh you know messing with the the loser it's it doesn't feel right no and I'm sorry Ramona did say one thing extremely factual the entire time when like Cynthia it's just like getting on this

weird hill uh you didn't let me do my glam 25 minutes earlier like so stupid at Teresa's dinner like the most Cynthia was like needing some argument because she was like becoming so irrelevant and she likes oh everyone's hating Ramona let me talk some shit on Ramona too and then Ramona's like you guys are so bored all you do is talk about me and that's like what really set Kenya off and you know what Ramona was speaking a hundred percent facts this entire weekend would have been so lame without Ramona like everyone's just getting along pretending to be someone they're not Teresa everyone was pretending to be someone they're not fraudulent vibes thank god for Ramona a hundred percent and I think this example I'm about to share really sums up like what is so wrong they all were taking pictures with Michael doing a photo yes yes yes doing a

photo shoot on the beach like feeling themselves like themselves. Like, cringey, you know, but, like, modeling as much as they can for, you know, they are who they are. And Ramona's doing the same thing as everyone else. It was just the editing. Just, like, trying to, like, you know, be cute for the pictures. And they're all, like, laughing at her in their confessionals in front of her. And the editing was like, wah, wah, wah. Like, in that situation, she's done nothing wrong. Like, or even when they're doing the twerk off.

And Ramona, like, none of them can twerk. No. Not even Cynthia. And Ramona's there, like, trying her best. And Kenya, who they're not even on speaking terms, is, like, pulling up her dress and, like, watching her butt. And it's like, and Ramona just, she doesn't even react to it. I know. I thought that, too.

Like, everybody's constantly poking fun at her. And at her age, like, it just feels really mean's constantly poking fun at her and at her age like it just feels really mean no and yes I agree and I know that this is like hella unpopular but it's just so easy to like go along with like Ramona's sex trade it's harder it's honestly more creative for looking at it with a more nuanced eye and I just I don't know like I think the whole thing started off on a bad foot because they all like hated Ramona with the room thing. But I didn't really feel like Ramona did anything that bad with the room thing. And it was just after that, it was just like down the hill she went.

Yeah. And she didn't help herself at all. But I thought like when she had the conversation. She was wasted for that whole day. I know. And that's the other, like, I just wish she didn't drink so much because then she just like digs herself in deeper. And she never does that on New York.

And Lou said that too. She doesn't drink on New York. that's a thing. She always has a drink. But she's never drunk. She's never drunk. And she knows exactly how to act but the second she has a drink she becomes like old Ramona and that's why she doesn't drink anymore. Yeah and that was really frustrating because it's like there's no getting through to her we're just gonna have to wait till tomorrow and that's just like frustrating about alcohol in general. Yeah. Just really like you're never gonna you you're never going to win the argument. Yeah.

But when she was having like that post Bailey Bowl conversation with Kyle and Teresa. Yes. And they really were taking the time to understand her. Nobody had done that yet. Nobody had done that. I felt like I understood her even more. I almost wish that she didn't practice what she was going to say to Kenda because she used the good surprise on them.

Yeah. And then when she went to Kenya, she was acting because she was trying to remember what she said but what she was saying at the table did seem extremely genuine you know i just feel so torn about kenya because i on her on her show i think she's just like evil like what i'll never forget kenya more hair care like just i think she's done so many evil things and she's like really mean to a lot of people who are nice to her. But she was really confusing me because like when she gave that trip to Teresa,

that was so nice. It was just seemed so out of character for her. And then also giving, no, no, that was Cynthia, sorry. No, she was just doing a lot of things and everyone was so drawn to her energy. Like I must be wrong about her. Because everyone in the house, like, couldn't get enough of her. I don't know.

If I'm going based on the other women, it's like, who you were in Turks and Caicos was, like, your absolute best foot forward. And very, very phony. But the... I think the person who was most themselves was Kyle. Yes. But Kyle, like, is shrewd enough that even if she, like, you know, wanted to have an issue with someone or something, like,

rubbed her the wrong way, aside from, like, the Bailey Q thing, she really, like, is not, I think she just made the decision, like, I'm here to have fun. I'm coming off good. I don't want to fight with these women. Not to be confrontational. Yeah. Well, let's talk about Cynthia.

I would say who took the biggest L the entire trip. Yeah yeah I was like oh she's gonna turn it around now oh she's gonna turn it around now and then it's like the last dinner I'm like I don't think she's turning it around no and like the first few times I was like you know what I've I just know that feeling of like you're just upset and like feeling off and you don't know how to get out of it and everyone's making progress and because you're in your own head you're falling even further behind yes and like okay it's a new day I'm gonna start anew I'm gonna try again and I get that but she could never like get out of it and also she continued to be so sensitive about really small stuff and it was just not the right environment for her no not at all and you know what it's like sad because now she's not on Atlanta

anymore that was like her last moment and she just looked like an enormous loser yeah like really big yeah no it was it was quite sad and then Teresa was just out here like putting on a full-blown act I'm sure for Melissa it was like very jarring like I know that and everyone's like oh Teresa I'm surprised how sweet you are yeah because she's literally being fake like no and here's like it's it's just why it's like so annoying that you can't cross reference but like when um when Ramona said on the boat that Luann slept with Tom the first on the first date which is a bad thing to say like it's very uncalled for it's private information whatever but that's the kind of conversation that flies in Real Housewives of New York City yes just want to say that and then Teresa got so upset that Ramona said that and it's like wait weren't you out here last year

accusing Evan of cheating like and talking about that's so true and it's just like hypocrisy it's hypocrisy and it's like it's so true unless Teresa were to say that now on this boat it's like irrelevant to the situation but like you say and have done crazier things can I tell you though the best part of like everyone like coming to lose defense Lou rewriting history is when Teresa like went around the table at her dinner and said really nice things about all the women she's just recently met and she was like Luann like I will protect you like we're gonna give you a backbone and Luann like fucking like you know I can we go back to the backbone thing like you said I have no background you said I'm a pushover even though she never said that that was just like so great like Luann you

your storyline is so fraudulent you've made it seem to everyone like you don't have a backbone so now they're all saying getting knocked down by a girl that's why you painted the picture so now they're all just reciting what you have told them and now you're suddenly offended you're offended like they painted you as this victim because you are because you've been victim mentality the whole time like lou is not the victim on real housewives of new york ever like the thing she's the oppressor okay here's another great example so ramona said know, you slept with Tom on the first night. Slut shaming, not cool. What, remember what Luann said to Sonia in the van in the Hamptons about sleeping with.

Trash. Sleeping with. With guys on the first date. Yeah. 15 guys. Yeah. And that like he married me, like literally worse than what Ramona did. That is so true.

They were all just like on a delusional island where like they've never done anything like that in the past and everything Ramona's doing is like so taboo when they've literally done 30 times worse very recently. Here's the thing Ramona didn't get the memo that we were all faking it we're all faking it we're all on our best behavior what we do on our shows we're not going to do here because this is the all-stars and you're not going to get caught like that can I tell you I know everyone's like so anti-Ramona I just feel like we're making a lot of good points like I think we actually might turn some people I just want to say that no and I agree it's just like if you hate Ramona you hate Ramona but here's the

other thing I saw Ramona do some things just like in the off like you know when she's waking up for breakfast and like being fucking annoying and stuff that would make me if I were there like I don't want to be around of course but as a viewer and like watching these dynamics at play it is extremely hard to be the person in the house like everybody's laughing at talking shit about and like at least she does try and like I thought when she had that conversation with Luann um in the beach in the beach hut I thought she was extremely genuine she wasn't up to her old apologies like season one Ramona like it was she does do that a lot so it must just get like monotonous like she is really genuine when she apologizes and then she'll literally do the same thing the next day forgets but then when she was also describing how when growing up she would just zone out i do feel like

she's oftentimes extremely zoned out a great explanation for like some of her bizarre quirks yeah yeah where she's literally not listening to you. And she's still spoken about her childhood like a lot on Housewives. Almost to the point where she brings up her childhood and people are like stop. And I guess I never really understood why she was bringing it up. But I felt like I really got to know Ramona at a glance at that beach conversation with Melissa and Kyle. She brings it up I think when she really is in a bad place. And she needs to like explain to these women why she is the way that she is but I still don't feel like we even know a fraction of what she experienced

you know so it's actually she doesn't um like wield it as an excuse for everything but I think sometimes it's like okay I gotta let these women know who like why I mean otherwise I'm never gonna make any headway so all in all I thought it was like a good show. I know that there's other versions of it coming out, like a couple like B-listers in the Berkshires. I think that's what the show is called. The B-list in Berkshires. And I don't think it'll translate. I think this was like a once in a lifetime thing

because it was like the best of the best cast, great house. And I just don't know if it'll translate to the other spinoffs they're planning on doing. Yeah, I agree. And just to go back to Luann one more time, like, what Ramona said about Lu, not cool. Yeah. But then all the women watch how Lu, like, took a shot out of the mouth and kissed a married man. Yeah. Right. And said that he's DMing her. Right. And that's just okay behavior. The hypocrisy was blinding. It was blinding.

So anyways, I just, it made me, and it was just frustrating to know, like, no one agrees. Yeah, I know. Like, we're so in the minority here. Yeah. But it was good. I, Be List in the Berkshires looks really quite atrocious. An atrocity. I will watch it just because it's, like, actually seems, like, crazy. It actually might be so bad that it's even better than this.

Yeah, and, like, these are all women who are off the show nothing to lose i think we're gonna get a a whole array of ramonas yeah i agree you know everyone else they have like too much to lose to be crazy yeah but like maybe if you're just crazy enough you'll get back on i agree it's gonna be bat shit bat shit b-list in the Berkshires. Now I'm actually looking forward to it. We talked ourselves into it. Yeah, no, the cast is like crazy. Like Brandi Lanville, Tamra, Dorinda, Vicky.

That's like toxic. Taylor Armstrong. Oh, wow. It's really like crazy. Okay, maybe it will be good. Phaedra. You know what I also spent all day watching yesterday was the Sex Lives of College Girls. I I do know and I know that you didn't watch it I'm here to tell you like you will absolutely love it it's an amazing show you said it made you feel old you know what I got over that extremely quickly because the show was very good hilarious writing

like I cackled okay so many moments and also I just need you to watch it because there is a character her name is Kimberly who I just found out is Timothee Chalamet's sister her name is Pauline Chalamet she plays Kimberly like this freak she is not visually just personality wise reminds me so much of Dana from the Redheads and it's and I think I figured out why it's because this girl's like she actually has this admirable confidence like she's just so sure of who she is and going to college and meeting all these new people. Like it's not going to change that. She is who she is.

Even if that is like a little quirky and she says these like quirky, bizarre things with so much confidence that like no one questions her. She reminds me so much of Dana. I cannot go over it. So I just need you to watch it to like, tell me if you see it. I will. And you know what? The show, like the premise looks good.

And even, I don't mind if you say it's good I will actually that is something that I would watch so I'm going to watch it so don't spoil it. It's for college roommates and just they all have their own storylines it's by Mindy Kaling. The premise is so good I don't know why that doesn't happen more often. Yeah and it's by Mindy Kaling so it's actually like they refer to social media and stuff like actually well because this girl like likes this guy and she one of her friends is like put up a story and like see if he sees it and then like it's just a good accurate representation of like how social media plays out in college where I feel like sometimes 90 year olds are talking about Instagram I just feel like the the culture is there like Mindy Kaling has a really good pulse

on the generation and because it's Mindy Kaling like it's super diverse and not in like the corny way it's like just really good and the writing is great the only thing I feel weird about is I know the the actors are like in their 20s but we're supposed to be watching 18 year olds they just got to college and there's like really kind of um wow I'm having like speechless what like inappropriate not inappropriate but what's what I'm looking for? Like, sexual? Lewd? No, no, it's just like sex scenes, but it's like, not vulgar, but like, it's like.

I don't know what you're trying to say. Me neither. Hold on. No, so what, is it very, like, explicit? Explicit. That's a great word, yeah. Well, because we're seeing stuff. Yeah, we're seeing, like, major sex scenes.

And you're saying, like, it feels like. Which just feels weird because the characters are supposed to be 18. We're watching 18-year-olds having sex. Even though they are because the characters are supposed to be 18. We're watching 18 year olds having sex. Even though they are not, they're supposed to be. It's something like, it felt weird about it.

Like the. That's interesting. That was the only thing. Okay, I'll let you, I'm going to watch it so I'll let you know if that sticks out. It's just great.

And like, I honestly can't decide which girl I like best because the date. Do they show parts and stuff? No, not part. Oh, boobs, yeah. Oh yeah, boobs are always free range.

Boobs, tushy. Okay. And then like, sex positions. No P, no no p no v no p no v not that i can remember i mean it's hbo you never know oh you know what there was a little pig there was a little baby they go to like a naked party hbo loves to throw in one p to get the people talking i actually think you would like it because the i mean maybe it's because i've literally never been to a real college except yours it reminded me of colgate like just like the vibe it's in vermont so it's because I've literally never been to a real college except yours. It reminded me of Colgate. Like, just, like, the vibe. It's in Vermont, so it's, like, fall. Is it, like, a small school? Yeah, it's Essex.

It's not, like, a huge college. Oh, cool. Oh, my God. That sounds really great. I'm going to watch it. Yeah, it's really good. I really liked it. And I just love the characters.

Like, at first, I'm like, who do I like best? I liked, like, Leighton the best because she was just, like, this rich girl from the Upper East Side. But then they all are just so nuanced. I think I ended up, like, liking Bella the best. Or that girl, Kimberly, who was such a weirdo, the Dana girl. She really grows on you. I'm sure that she will. It's really good.

Okay, that's great. And one of the girls, her mom is, like, a really famous senator, played by Sherri Shepard, who's just hilarious. The show was just perfect. Like, I have, I wish there was, like, ten seasons out so I could just, like, binge. Because now I'm, like like such a trendsetter. I'll be waiting a while. Damn.

Yeah. So good. I give it 10 out of 10. Great. That's our show. Okay. Now I feel fully recapped. I feel unburdened.

Yeah. Me as well. I can go into this weekend, Alarm Free Living, all of the tings. It's a long episode. And enjoy living life. So thank you guys for being toasters. Next week is our final week of TMT for 2021. Yes the 17th of december is our final episode and that's really exciting 2022 is almost here you got to start thinking about resolutions and shit no fuck that

i just feel like when you're having resolutions are for broken people i'm fully whole like as a pregnant person like there's a lot of change coming like I don't feel the need to like you're exempt no it's like I'm gonna go through so much and I also need to

make sure to get my steps in no you're fucking exempt from that bullshit okay I do think that is when you graduate from resolution making

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