The Toast - S5 Ep81: Juulie O Problems with Craig Conover: Thursday, June 23rd, 2022

Episode Date: June 23, 2022

Kendall Jenner and Devin Booker Break Up After 2 Years (E! News) Jussie Smollett Insists He’s Not ‘A Piece of S-t’ (Page Six) Fans Slam Normani For Working with Abuser Chris Brown on New Song (Page Six) Ted Sarandos Explains Why Netflix Will Add New Ad-Supported Tier to Streaming Service (The Hollywood Reporter) Juul E-Cigarettes To Be Banned in the US (TMZ) RHOBH Recap The Morning Toast with Jackie  (@JackieOshry) and Claudia Oshry  (@girlwithnojob)  Merch: https://shopmorningtoast.com/ The Morning Toast Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/themorningtoast Girl With No Job by Claudia Oshry: https://www.girlwithnojob.com/bookSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Good morning millennials! Welcome back to the Morning Toast. Happy Thursday. Hope everyone had a great week so far. We had a great week. We broke bread. We topped the charts. We're just still chart-topping queens. Mogul energy everywhere. Last night was the second episode of Breaking Bread. So much fun. If you joined, thank you for joining. We, it was a journey, you know. It was a journey. If you were there, you know. Yes, it was exciting. We also, yesterday was like the busiest day ever because, you know, meetings, meetings, meetings, mogul, mogul, mogul. We also vlogged our entire day because a lot of people are like, you guys work for an hour a day.

Actually, bitch, no, we don't. And we vlogged it to prove it, okay? We did a whole day in the life, what it's like to be a mogul. It's up on our Patreon now. We had meetings meetings we spent time with harry you do get like a peek at harry's like stomach so it's kind of sickening it is pretty sickening it was a harrylicious day but also a working day very busy but good and now we're sliding into the end of the week and i did cheat the week it's a three-day week for me but you know a week is a week no matter how you slice it and we're getting through I actually don't think I agree with that a week is not a week no matter how you slice it even though Monday Tuesday I wasn't

here in the studio like I was still suffering through weak things no a week is a week no matter how you slice it I said what I said I'm not gonna agree with you a week is not a week a Monday a five-day work week is not the same as like when you get you know the Monday off you know no of course but still it's the week and you made it to the next one no it doesn't count like in in the life cycle of like hard weeks it doesn't count I had a hard week yeah um last night was the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills did you watch nope because my YouTube TV subscription paused and it didn't record my shows until I went to watch it. And they were like update payment,

which I eventually did, but I had already missed the recording. Okay, that's so funny because I literally got a bill. No, I texted you guys and I was like, is anyone else having a spectrum outage? And you guys are like, no. Turns out I haven't paid my bill in literally three months. I'm on auto pay. Like who the fuck doesn't use auto pay?

And they just turned it off. So I got a bill. They're like, you literally owe us three months of cable wi-fi and home phone and I was literally gonna get my cable shut off my wi-fi was being spotty because they were turning it off oh my god I was like oh my god am I okay were you like oh my god I have to film a live show you know it's just like who turned who the fuck turned off my auto pay? I know who it was. It was Olivia. I'm telling you, Olivia is always up in my Spectrum account. One time, Olivia did the most annoying thing. I'm a generous sister.

She needed like a login for some, you know, app to use my, if you use your cable. So I give it to her and she's like, I'm so generous. Literally, I get a call from Olivia and she's like, you owe me like $500. I'm like, excuse me? She's like, yeah, like when I logged into your spectrum, I started paying your bill by accident instead of mine. I'm like, that literally sounds like a you problem. Like I gave you my login and now I owe you $500. Thanks, girl. I'm like, this is not going to work for me. So yeah, I almost got my Wi--fi shut off which was just like so crazy well I did get my tv turned off tough times tough times and it was too late for me to like wait for

the next airing so I didn't watch it which I felt bad about um but I then I just went to sleep I will talk about it a little bit at the end it wasn't like a crazy eventful episode feel free to spoil we're like we're in this weird plateau space where like none of the women are fighting but like they all like hate each other. It's just weird. It wasn't a very good episode and something needs to happen soon because they're making moments that aren't moments. For sure but it sounds like something happens in Aspen that we can all look forward to. Yes. So this was like a nice boring trip. It did make me want to go to Mexico though. I love a boring trip. Sometimes I personally don't need drama in my life. Agreed.

I'm a drama freak early and I like to see friends being friends on a boat. That's just me though. Yes I agree. I do think sometimes like it's so manufactured that it's like I'd rather see these women getting along. Yeah. But like it's not that fun when they get along. This group. Yeah especially because they do all secretly hate each other. Right but like I think in Potomac. Not all. Some. In Potomac when they get along like there's nothing better, but they're never getting along. Yeah. So I agree with you, but this group, it's not working. It's really not that tight. There's also a huge divide in the group, like the new girls and the old girls.

Yeah. And even the old girls, I feel like, are starting to hate each other. I think Kyle's getting over Erica. Well, I think because Kyle cares about what the audience thinks about her, and being really close with Erica and Rinna is not good for her Q score. It's not. Rinna is insufferable, like really insufferable but i'll get into it in the end of the show um we've got fat five pretty atrocious stories no no i feel good about that okay i feel good about them and we also have the power of the brass and strass and i meant to let everyone know like when i did the meet and greet not only were we singing brass and strass

and probably every other person do you see the girls with the Bryce and Streisand shirts? We should make merch. 100%. But also like everyone, a lot of people were talking about how they're living for like the Butters, Mystery, Olive. Should we give an update? Dog walk dynamic. We did find out who Mystery belongs to. Mystery is an influencer.

You know, Mystery's mom is an influencer. So like it wasn't that hard. A couple people sent it to us and were like, what are the chances that this is mystery and we're like oh 100% who else names their dog mystery no and also like we've seen mystery that's exactly what mystery looks like so it's either the same breed in the same name but we didn't describe to you guys what mystery looked like so you were like here's a dog named mystery and it's mystery well obviously mystery is no mystery is mysterious no longer. No longer. I haven't seen Butters actually in a minute.

Butters comes through a lot with Bryce. And the afternoon walk. Yeah. They're kind of like a duo by happenstance. I told you I saw Butters like literally go after Bryce one day. Yeah. In my hallway. But Bryce has learned to defend himself.

He's not afraid. He won't back down from a fight. Bryce thinks that he's much bigger than he is. He does he can handle Butters please don't worry about Bryce but so the boys are doing well the boys and girls is mystery a girl or a boy it's a mystery no is Butters a boy Butters definitely a boy Butters is a boy because his name on Instagram is Mr. don't say it and don't please do not blow up these people's dogs instagram account like like can we just have this fun we have this one thing like i don't need butter's mom to hear that i said he was aggressive and wears a muzzle okay mystery is a man and his mother sometimes calls him mr

e got it that's a good way to remember it even though i would have totally thought it was so it's a pack of boys it's a pack of boys. It's a pack of boys. Oh, I didn't realize that. It's a wolf pack. Wow. The boys are back. The boys are back. Wow, that's so good to hear that Theo has like, you know, a nice solid friend group, like a clique. He has a friend group. Who do you think is the Massey block of the group?

Ooh. Bryce. I'm thinking Butters. No. Butters is... Mystery is Claire no mystery is claire mystery is like alicia like you're not gonna mess with her she like she'll mess with you like don't mess with her she's setting her weight who's claire gotta reread the clickbooks i feel like we we re-watched the movie recently i think for toast

the movie is literally like oscar worthy drama yeah did i invite you to my bbq then why you all up in my grill what do you want stare that would be so fucking good are you from moscow then why are you russian oh that's good i don't remember that one i think it's from the book if you have a daughter you know god willing that one are you gonna have her read those books oh probably not because even though they're so good but like we grew up in the culture yes of like where the cool thing was like mean girls the click like that was the movie of our generation mean girls and now if you act that way like canceled like literally not going to college like you have to that's just not how things work you're a hundred percent right like and I actually talk about that a lot in my um New York Times best-selling novel Girl With No Job available on Amazon how like we were raised in the era of like mean girls bringing on it was like cutthroat

cutthroat mean cool table loser table nerd band geek like now if you're at the loser table like that's the cool table. Yeah, no, and it's like, if you want to get anywhere in this life, like, you've got to be at the loser table now. And you can't even call it the loser table. And it's not the loser table, it's just, like, not the cool table, you know? Yeah, no, it's like, what would the table be called? Sexually active band geeks?

Yes. Yes. Okay, so your children will not be reading The Click. Right? No, I know. Like, you really don't want to, like, set them up for failure.

Like, they come from a canceled mom. You don't want that for them. We live in a different world. It's true. It's true. I wonder what The Click equivalent will be when we have, like, teenagers. Well, we wouldn't know yet.

That's exciting, though. We should get on that. We should write it. We should write it. Bryce, Shrice, Dyson, Thrice. Brazen, Shrazen. That's exciting, though. We should get on that. We should write it. We should write it. Bryce, Shrice, Dyson, Thrice. Bras and Shricen. Bras and Shrice. Bryce and Miss Bryce.

Always and forever in my heart. We should bring the boys tomorrow. Friday? Friday. Bringing both boys is hella chaotic. I know, but it's like if no major news breaks that we need to put on our Diane Sawyer glasses. Which we do all the time. Then why not have a chaotic Strassen Energy?

Strassen Energy, I mean, Strassen is best, so I'm never going to say no. Strassen's right. The Strassen's right. New TV show, the price is right? Nah. The Strassen's right? Yeah.

I feel like we've LARPed enough. Okay, that felt really good just to get that out. LARPio. Sometimes you just need to get it out. 100%. So now without further ado, here are the fast-fired stories that you need to know before you wake up and take a bite out of your morning toast. And today's episode is brought to you by Peloton.

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The Kardashian star and Phoenix Sun's shooting guard have broken up after two years, a source close to Kendall tells E! News. The source shared, this is the quote, this is the information that we're working with as to why, but you know. Schedules. Different people. Right. with as to why, but you know. Schedules. Different people. Right.

Quote, Kendall, but it worked for two years. Maybe he's not obsessed with health. Maybe. Kendall and Devin hit a rough patch recently and been split for about a week and a half. The couple had a really nice time in Italy together during Kourtney's wedding. The insider explains, but quote, once they got back, they started to feel like they weren't aligned

and realized they have very different lifestyles.all told devon she wanted space and time apart according to the source who shared they have been in touch since and do care about one another the insider also knows it might not be a permanent breakup they both hope to make it work but as of now they are split take all of that with a grain of salt aside from the fact that they're broken up because if it's if it's a kardashian related story and it doesn't come from TMZ like I don't know and TMZ didn't break this. So let's just keep that in mind. But under the assumption that this is true I find this really sad and I'm also really shocked by it because I felt like they were a great couple like and really when people are private like you know it's legit you know. We knew nothing about

them other than the fact that they were together and that they were private. Yeah. And that they were good looking. And then every once in a while you'd get a picture and it was premium. Yeah. And I liked that. I liked that for Kendall. Yeah.

And you know what's really sad? Stormy of it all. Yeah, I know. That's what everyone's saying. Is that what I saw? I didn't know that Stormy was so obsessed with him until some of the Italy pictures emerged. And, oh, and Kendall said it on one of the late night shows. Got it. And then I saw Nori's Black Book posted that she was thinking of Storm Italy pictures emerged. And Kendall said it on one of the late night shows. Got it.

And then I saw Nori's Black Book posted that she was thinking of Stormi right now. Because if you don't know, allegedly Stormi is obsessed with Devin. Like in love, obsessed. Like just like lights up when he comes around. But these are the unintended consequences of dating while all your sisters have kids, you know?

And you bring them around the kids and kids get very attached. And I'm sure you don't think about it, but you know, this is someone who might have been important to Stormy and some of the other kids. And Stormy's going to think that, like, Devin abandoned her because obviously it's not appropriate for him to still hang out with Stormy. You think?

Yeah. Uncle Devin? If Devin and Travis were really close, which I don't know that they are, then it might be more appropriate. But, like, no. Like, a 30-year-old man hanging out with a child is weird. No, of course they're not going to hang out one-on-one but he could still come around you know the girls keep the men in the loop they do that's true that's like a very unique Kardashian characteristic

they keep these weenies around I just don't think that this is a contentious breakup because I don't think I don't know Devin whatsoever I mean I don't think I've ever heard him speak or anything but these two just seem drama free you know I could see Kendall being like, we're cool, we're friends, like, it's all chill. I mean, she's not like other girls. You know, she can be friends with her ex. Yeah, exactly. She's the type. Yeah, like, you know, straight guys and straight girls can be friends.

So maybe this doesn't mean the end for Stormi. No, but I think it's the end of the relationship, and now it's like we have to add her to the list. Actually, him too, because he's super eligible. Of course, he's super eligible, and apparently he's really good at basketball. very good is there anyone on our list who might be compatible with Kendall already with and for those who are new here this is our list of young sexy Hollywood single people who we might want to set up with each other oh Michael B Jordan Michael

B Jordan Chris Evans Shawn Mendes I don't actually like I actually could see Kendall dating Shawn Mendes just like because I feel like they're both kind of like weird like you know. I don't actually, like, I actually could see Kendall dating Shawn Mendes, just, like, because I feel like they're both kind of, like, weird. Like, you know, like, I can't explain it, but, like, you know. I don't see it. Remember when he fake dated Hailey Bieber for the Met Gala? That was such a unique moment in history. And then she deadass got married, like, six months later. Yeah.

That was weird. That was, like, textbook PR relationship. And he, like, said in an interview, he was like, yeah, no, I was that was like textbook pr and he like said in an interview he was like yeah no i was like we like fully set it up like it was fraudulent and they both admitted it appreciate the honesty i do appreciate the honesty 100 um but that was also like i had potential that couple but that like it was weird because like to be spotted i guess i could add camilla cabello to our list too Even though she was spotted out with the founder of Lox Club. Yeah. Which felt like a Lox Club partnership.

I can't explain it. Oh, yeah. I guess it would behoove him to be spotted as an eligible bachelor. And the headline was like, Camila Cabello. Lox Club was in the headline. And maybe you didn't know Lox Club was a dating app. And now you know. Now you know.

But that guy is hot austin the the founder of locks club extremely good looking um back to our list back to our list back to haley bieber oh yeah so now that i'm thinking about it more like the fact that they made their debut as a couple on the metagala red carpet is so weird because people don't really do that no they get like spotted first you know what it was like, it was small time. It was small potatoes. You know, that's like, now they're both bigger stars. They would never do it now.

And they've moved on to bigger and better things. But sometimes you got to do what you got to do. You know, and maybe they wouldn't be where they are now if it weren't for that cringy moment. That's like how God works. You know, everything happens for a reason. Yeah. God works in mysterious, cringy ways. God works in mystery.

Mystery Dow Jones. Mystery, period. Okay. Are you ready for our next story? God works in mystery Mystery Dow Jones Mystery period Okay Are you ready for our next story? I am Jussie Smollett insists that he's not a piece of shit Says he gained clarity from jail Sure

Disgraced actor Jussie Smollett professed his innocence And insisted he's not a piece of shit Smollett who was found to have paid two men To pretend to be racist and homophobic Donald Trump supporters and attack him with a noose and bleach, was sprung from a Chicago jail in March after serving a six-day sentence.

The 40-year-old actor addressed his highly publicized trial on Sway Calloway's serious... He's 40? Yeah, that was an interesting factoid. He's giving, like, 26, because, like, only, like, a young, immature... Person. It's, like, a childish thing to do, you know?

Yeah, no. He was on Sway in the morning claiming he did not lie about the attack. He said, if I had done this, I'd be a piece of shit. And I don't think that's really questionable, Smollett said in the episode that aired on Monday. I actually do think it's questionable because we're all sitting here questioning it. When there was a trial and everything. Right, right, right. Here's the thing.

questioning it when there was a trial and everything right right right um here's the thing like in general you know people make mistakes and they're i believe in redemption and all that jazz you do acknowledge you're gonna still lie if you're gonna stick to the same lie he can't he he's in so deep he literally went to jail like he cannot now claim why he couldn't say it now that the trial's over and because that's the only way to move forward from this you know a sit-down interview where you cop to it as long as he maintains the lie like there's there's nothing to say yeah but I can't see a world in which he tells the truth like that would be insane because like even now like we know every time I see him sticking to this I'm shocked I'm shocked that I thought he was saying he's not a piece of shit like he didn't mean it and he's sorry no okay but let's say the reason why he can't do it is because we all know

like this was a big fat lie like it was we all know there was a trial and there's like half a percent where it's like well no maybe there's literally the possibility is there but if he comes out and says he lied like there's no possibility there's no possibility that he's telling the truth the jury had to be beyond the shadow of a doubt yeah yeah no um i can't believe you're doing innocent until proven guilty and you are proven guilty. So true. When does that part, when does the hammer come down on that part? Such a good call.

Also, I find it, like, shocking that he's doing press. Like, let's say we got an email, like, dead ass. Like, Jussie Smollier wants to come on this show. We would obviously do it, right? Yeah. That's, generally speaking, when there's someone who we've talked crap about, I actually don't feel the need to interview them. But this would be different, yeah.

No, and do you think I would be nervous? I'd be like, no, you definitely didn't do it. I'm not good at confrontation. That's why I would never be a housewife. Right, and that's also why we can't have people on who... We're not interested in fighting with being confrontational. We want to support people. If we can't support you, you shouldn't be on the show. That fighting with, like, being confrontational. We want to support people. If we can't support you, you shouldn't be on the show.

That's true. But, like, I don't think we could give up, like, the opportunity. Because we could go from number two on the Spotify charts to number one. Joe who? Who? Who? Who? The what experience?

Oh, my God. The Toads experience. That's what it is. So no, sometimes I do sit and think like, cause I'm a delusional queen. Like if I had Juicy Smollett on the show, like hypothetically what I say, I know in like actuality, I would be like,

I'm so sorry you went through that. But like, I like to think I would be like, why did you lie? I like to think you would be like that too. I like, I'd like to think I'd be like, you know, literally nobody believes you. Like do what you could go on as many podcasts as you want but like you're a big liar yeah i wonder how sway handled it yeah good for i guess we should have listened to the interview before reporting on this no no no you see wishing you wishing you the best but

like you gotta go like the public life is not for you. There are very, very, very few things in this life that you cannot come back from. And this is one of them. Especially if you continue to maintain the lie. If you want to hold yourself accountable, say you're sorry. Go to therapy. I would still think you're a fucking freak. For sure, but we could begin the journey of forgiveness.

It humanizes you, yeah. Also, is the Chris Brown story a story? Yes. Okay, because that's a good segue of things people can't come back from. Let's get into it. You know me, I'm not a cancel girly. Like, I don't believe. But there are a couple people who I believe should.

So fans are slamming Normani for working with abuser Chris Brown on a new song. Normani is being annihilated by fans online for appearing in Chris Brown's music video for his new song, We. Parentheses, warm embrace. The former Fifth Harmony singer shared a snippet via Instagram on Tuesday, which showed her dancing sensually with and even kissing the controversial crooner. The comment section popped off, quote, girl, what the fuck? Literally. Quote, literally. That's the comment, girl, what the fuck? Literally. Quote. Literally.

That's the comment. Like, what the fuck? Quote, but I'm so confused. Others urged her to, quote, delete the post with some calling it, quote, disappointing. Another, quote, we were all rooting for you, broken heart. That's a good one, too. Others were more specific about their qualms, writing, quote, why would you link up with a man like him? Quote, could have worked with anyone else but someone with multiple abuse allegations.

Quote, I can't believe we're still working with him. And quote, no, not the abuser. No, it's true. What is with, like, people are obsessed with cancel culture. Like, you fart in the wrong direction, like your career is over. We have literal photo proof of Chris Brown physically abusing a woman who's a public figure like this Chris Brown thing like never stuck and remember when he did that music video Freaky Friday and like Kendall was in it like that was

fucking loser energy on Kendall's part I think that like the way that people will not let go of Chris Brown is really suspicious and weird. Yeah. And also the problematic behavior continued past Rihanna. Of course. But it was just with less faith. Like Rihanna is the biggest singer in the world. Like that was, you couldn't ignore that. Yeah. I think this Chris Brown thing is so weird.

I've always thought about it. Like not to keep referencing my book, but I did talk about it in my book. Like some cancel culture is so stupid because it's so like not nuanced. Like there's unequal punishment for equal crimes. Actually, yeah, no, it's not. The punishments often don't match the crimes, but sometimes the cancel, like cancellation

sticks sometimes and sometimes they're lifted, but it's with, for people like Chris Brown, you know? Right. No. And it's like, that's the exact type of person who shouldn't be, like, let back in. Like, if he wants to go live, he should live a private life. But I think he still has a record label.

He releases music. It is, he's doing collabs with Normani. What the fuck is she doing? Yeah. She's in her flop era, honestly. Like, I don't know what's going on. I said what I said. Whoa.

Like, Normani was literally, like, there was so much hype for Normani like post Fifth Harmony pre her true solo debut Motivation that sickening basketball performance where she was wearing the cutest outfit of all time she was like that song with Sam Smith so much momentum and like this is what you're doing is flop you're like a TikTok term yes I really like it it's very descriptive right so like I'm not saying that this is the truth, but people could say like, you know, speak now was Taylor's flop era. You know, it wasn't.

It wasn't. Who the who? That's me using it in a sentence. Who in the crumb diddly up? It usually refers to like a period of time or like an album from an artist. It's just like they're doing the least. It's like, you know what? Katy Perry's flop era.

Bon Appetit. You say era or era? I don't know. Say whatever you want. Era. Era. Let's go get our eras parsed. So, yeah.

Really, like, this shit bothers me so much. Yeah. And then don't be coming out here, people being like, in the comments, Claudia, you're against cancel culture. Yeah. Cancel culture refers to people who say dumb shit on Twitter. Not people who go out here beating up women. Like you finding yourself defending someone who beats up women.

Like you're the problem, girlie. Look in the mirror. Committing crimes. Committing crimes. Literally. Yeah. The Chris Brown of it all has always confused me. Yeah.

And that's, and that's my opinion. And that's what you're here for. To share your opinion. Yeah. And I just have to say, like, if you don't like it, um, you're wrong. So that's and that's my opinion and that's what you're here for to share your opinion yeah and i just have to say like if you don't like it um you're wrong so that's on you are you ready for our next story no because speaking of being wrong this is a message to everyone who's never used canva pro baby canva pro is back making content is an essential part of what we do to keep the show going is it has not always been a seamless creative process?

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Canva.me slash toast. Okay, our next story, a little biz news that nobody wants to hear. Ted Sarandos, the CEO of Netflix, explained why Netflix will add new ad-supported tier to streaming service. Ted Sarandos is kind of hot. Ads are coming to Netflix. Yeah. He's not bad looking.

He gives like Bob Iger energy. Like you know. Like Captain. Businessman Bo. Businessman Bo. Even though I think. I think Ted has a wife. But whatever.

Netflix is. It's never stopped me before. Am I okay? Netflix is cozy. She really wants that special. I really do. Like I would. I would do it.

Like hypothetically. Like. If you had to. If I had to. Like I would do it. For a special. I really do. Like I would, I would do it. Like hypothetically, like. If you had to. If I had to, like I would do it. For a special. Like I would go on a date with Ted Sarandos, wine and dine him. Okay, a date is different than. Yeah, no, I don't, I mean I'm a married woman, but like I would give him a little of this, you know, like a little, hey Ted, I'm not like other girls. I would do it. Okay, good for you. One thing about me, I have no scruples. That's good. None. Netflix's co-CEO Ted Sarandos is speaking at the Cannes Lion Advertising Festival on Thursday. He confirmed that the future of the streaming giant will include ads explaining the about face.

Netflix has long been averse to advertising on its subscription service, but after posting disappointing figures last quarter, showing it lost 200,000 subscribers, the company said it would... You didn't know about that? No, that's crazy. I know that they've been having trouble for Netflix.

I know they've been having trouble, but I didn't know 200,000 subscribers. That's so many. Yeah. In a quarter. The company said it would be introducing a less expensive ad supported tier to its service in a bid to bring in new customers. He said,

quote, we've left a big customer segment off the table, which is people who say, Hey, Netflix is too expensive for me and I don't mind advertising. He said on Thursday, speaking on the Cannes Lions stage with Sway podcast host. Different Sway. Different Sway.

This is like, this is with Kara Swisher. The Morning Sway. Tech. Yeah. Everything's called Sway. Sway House. He was in the Sway House. He said, quote, we're adding an ad tier.

We're not adding ads to Netflix, as you know, today. We're adding an ad tier we're not adding ads to Netflix as you know it today we're adding an ad tier for folks who say hey I want a lower price and I'll watch ads so that's like how they do it on Peacock and Paramount Plus and I have to say I hate it because like me I'm always gonna go cheaper option and then I'm like this fucking sucks like why does this one have ads no and it's like I have to have Paramount Plus because that's where Drag Race is and like I did the cheap one because I'm like a cheap whore and i was watching i'm like this is literally like primal like this is so tacky yeah these commercials i could vomit so then i had to upgrade and then it's just like now it's just it's really starting to add up and i have to really

evaluate like what services i can live without and which i can't live without i can't live without hbo max they've become incredibly important to me i really can't live without. I can't live without HBO Max. They've become incredibly important to me. I really can't live without Hulu either. They've also become incredibly important to me. Desperate Housewives is on there. Glee is on there.

Kardashians. Kardashians, obviously. Did you finish the season finale? You know what? I actually didn't. I watched it last week. I can't believe it was 10 episodes.

The fudge? No. The fudge? The fudge. Swear jar. The fudge is right. Like, I was like I was I was I can't criticize them like literally it's not coming out of my mouth like no give us more episodes I want more it was good I will say like there were so

many things I loved about the show there was a couple things I didn't like and the lack of any content like literally 10 hours that we used to do like 22 crap episodes on Kardashians I was disappointed by that I was disappointed in the time slot um I was disappointed in the lack of Kendall and Kylie it felt like a lot of the same disappointed in the jumping around first it's Christmas then can Kylie's giving birth in February then we're like back in November uh didn't like that yeah so I know it's their first season on like a new style and a new streaming service so I'll give them I'll give them a pass. But they need to come around to realizing, like, we're not stupid.

No, they've been trying to pull the wool over our eyes for a really long time. Three episodes ago, Kim was shooting Si Swim, which she shot in January. On the final episode, Kris is recording her Christmas song with Travis. Like, even someone who's not obsessed with pop culture would be like, what is this timeline? Yeah, it's, and they get called out for it and they like keep doing it. And they think they're like getting better at it,

but they're actually getting worse. But what's the point? What's the point? Maybe to make episodes equally interesting, putting like a really interesting thing and a boring thing together. Yes, but I also think Astroworld, like threw them through a loop.

This, like they had to, I think, edit a lot of lot of the the show yeah because like Kylie content they didn't want to seem insensitive yeah so maybe like that's partially to blame I don't know maybe next year here's what I don't understand about Netflix and ads if you need to do ads on your platform you should go ahead but why not do like integrated ads like it it's sponsored by Spritz and like there's Spritz's in it. And like the advertisers will pay you to be in the show's product placement. Everybody likes product placement. I'm pretty sure they've been doing that forever. Like their original shows have tons of product placement.

But I don't think it's enough to subsidize the company. I think product placement is more powerful than an ad I'm going to skip through. I completely agree. Like traditional commercials, like YouTube ad breaks like they're so old school and they don't work anymore like I love product placement just like I love Spritz Society use code toast at spritzsociety.com I agree with you like as two marketing queens um I think like traditional commercials are like not successful at selling products right and like if I'm just watching Selling Sunset and like Christina's drinking like a cool,

you know, sparkling cocktail, I'm like, oh, I should try that. Right. Like that's really how it works, marketing and advertising.

Yeah, so free idea, Ted. I do think they do a little bit of it, but I would suggest ramping that up. It doesn't bother me at all.

It doesn't bother me at all, except, you know, when it bothers me when it's like so obvious. Oh, on Bravo. When Bravo had two

housewives Dorinda and Sonia go see that Rebel Wilson and Anne Hathaway movie and sit down and talk about how the movie was so great because it's two powerful females just like them like yeah that was really bad embarrassing they were like doing something with Privé that like glam squad yes and every time they would have an event they would like have Privé come right that's actually a better integration because the girls were just the makeup artists were wearing t-shirts and it didn't bother me but the movie was was a low point really And that's actually a better integration. Yeah, because the girls were just, the makeup artists were wearing t-shirts and it didn't bother me. Yeah.

But the movie was a low point. Yeah, that's really bad. That's how you knew we were headed for a recession. That was a low point in pop culture history. Yeah. Are you ready for another low point for our fifth and final story? Sure.

I don't know if you can sing a song about this. No, I know. I'm not singing. Juul e-cigarettes will be banned in the U.S. after a two-year review. Juul e-cigarettes will be banned in the U.S. after a two-year review. Juul e-cigarettes will soon be off the shelves, at least according to a report that states the FDA is planning to ban the product from being sold in the U.S. The Wall Street Journal reports the FDA is gearing up to order Juul to remove its products from the market following a two-year

investigation. The report states Juul had asked to keep the company's nicotine products in rotation. Juul first came under fire nearly four years ago for marketing to young users with its sleek design and flavors, ultimately leading to a spike in vaping and underage people. The company has been hit with thousands of lawsuits in the U.S. and tried to turn things around by banning the fruit-flavored products, but clearly that's not enough for the FDA, which is reportedly taking things to the next level. that's not enough for the FDA, which is reportedly taking things to the next level. Also, it's worth noting that other e-cigarette brands are still on the market with the FDA separating the two because those other products help people quit smoking, whereas Juul is very like teen focused.

But it's really, they're the same thing. It's just about how they've been marketing. The FDA is giving such Karen vibes here. Like we're literally suffering a nationwide baby formula shortage, and you're, like, obsessed with e-cigarettes. Like, fuck off. Like, there's so many things in this country that are so bad for us. Like, literally, video games with kids getting their heads blown off.

Like, it's so stupid. Like, fentanyl. Like, why don't you focus on that? Not fucking e-cigarettes. Fentanyl. Fentanyl. No, literally, people are dying of accidental fentanyl overd why don't you focus on that not fucking e-cigarettes fentanyl literally people are dying of accidental fentanyl overdoses all the time like work on that bitch like not fucking

e-cigarettes that like just kids like to smoke in clubs like all right the kids might have a cough but they'll be fine okay maybe they have covid no but also like they've made they ban the fruit flavors you know which made a huge impact the age to buy them, I think, is probably at least 21. Like, all of these things that they can do. I think it's 15, but yeah. Okay, then make it 21. Yeah. Just like in New York, you have to be 21 to buy cigarettes.

No. No, you do. In this state, I believe that you do. I'm like almost 100% sure that's not true. Let's Google it. Yeah, let me Google it. But you can keep talking. Go off, sis.

Just get some baby formula on the shelves. Lower the price of gas. Deal with inflation. Yeah, no. Oh, you're right. It's 21. I remember from my days. But can I just tell you, like, yes,

Juul was forced to stop selling all their flavors, like, years ago. They literally still sell it in every vape shop. There's, like, counterfeit ones being made. They're being sold in from other countries. Like nobody gives a shit. And that's worse. And I really don't know how this Juul ban is. How many people are actually going to stop vaping because of this ban?

Instead, they'll just get, you know, focaccia pods that actually might harm them in more serious ways. That is such a good call. Like I just, I don't really understand why they're like all up in everyone's business. It's not like anyone's being forced to Juul. It's a personal choice. We live in a good call. Like, I just, I don't really understand why they're, like, all up in everyone's business. It's not like anyone's being forced to Juul. It's a personal choice.

We live in a free country. And I just think the FDA, the Food and Drug Administration, could be really focused on some of the issues going on in our country that people actually care about. No, like, if we lived in a perfect world, like, then you could focus on, you know, Right, if we had no other problems, like, maybe we should tackle, you know, smoking. But, like, get some baby formula on the goddamn shelves and then worry about Juul. No, but you know what?

Like, even with the Juul, I don't really agree with that. Like, it's a choice. That too. It's a choice. Like, we live in a free country, and if I want to choose to vape and ruin my lungs, like, that's my choice. And food and drugs, some freaks who work in the government, like, shouldn't be able to tell me what to do with my body.

And it's weird that some brands can stay and jewel has to go and it feels they've had this hard on for jewel for years very like you know backdoor deals yeah and jewel is not the popular company in the class yeah i just think like this is like unnecessary and yes maybe it's because i enjoy vaping and maybe that's just on me but i also just think it's like nobody's business what you choose to do to your lungs and I wish like the resources being put towards this moronic cause would be put towards worthy causes and that's on being rational. 100% and I don't even vape anymore and I think this is moronic and an overreach of government regulations. 100%. And you know what? Look at us like being government girls. It kind of makes me want to jewel.

present look at us like being government girls it kind of makes me want to do it no totally like oh i can't jewel bet you're on bitch now when you say i can't do something now i'm gonna prove that i can do it right because this is america yeah fuck yeah i really could use a jewel right now i think i might have an extra one in my purse somewhere fda you've convinced me. Yeah. Thanks FDA. Look at your influence. I had no interest before. You should get one for Harry. You just reminded me of how jewels are so awesome. You should get one for Harry. The FDA gave you that idea. Thanks FDA. I want to talk a little bit about the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Yeah I would like for you to share your thoughts. And it's brought to you by Babbel. For all... We are Bab it's brought to you by Babbel. We are Babbel.

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Why are they on their phones, these kids? I don't know if for us, like we had cell phones, maybe like a little bit older, but you were banned from bringing them to camp and you could live without cell phones back in the day. I don't know if kids are going to camp without their phones now. What I remember is like kids bring their phones and they get them at call time. That's like what's going on. But that was like 10 years ago. That's what happened to us like 10 years ago.

That was a long time ago. I mean, there shouldn't be phones at camp. No, it's so nice. Like camp is so much fun. You don't need your phone. It's so toxic. You're out there getting fresh air, stimulating your mind. Kids' mental health these days are so toxic because of their phones.

If I, which I will send my kids to camp, like I want to find a camp that's a no phone camp yeah it'll be they'll hate me for it in the beginning but they will be so grateful yeah when they're when they're home yeah it'll be good for them it will be okay Beverly Hills so most of the trip most of the episode took place on the boat trip they got this like nice boat and Diana I fucking hate Diana what yes first of all she's like I mean this isn't like a yacht it's like a nice day boat like she was just being obnoxious and she like hates Sutton and I hate her because of that it's just it's like the same with Crystal last season it's like Sutton you think is the weakest link and it's just not interesting to have strife with her no and she's just she's she's not the girl I thought she was like yes her life is really interesting but she's so

condescending like about her money and it's, like, kind of annoying. That is annoying. And this is, like, might be, like, a really fucked up thing to say. But, like, I don't think you should ever be condescending about money. But, like, if you built your own business and, like, went from nothing to something, all right, I can understand how you feel like you could be condescending. But, like, she married her money. So let's just, let's be real.

Yes. But the ex-husband did say that he couldn't get to where he was without Diana. Sure. But he said it. No, for sure. And you said that to me. No, he did say it. But like, I think he's just a nice guy.

Like, was Diana working at Barclays Bank? No. You never know. Okay. But so what was really interesting about the boat ride was that Erica showed up on the boat ride like blackout. Like literally blackout. She was slurring, sleeping on the couch, talking to herself. She is Sonia Morgan.urring sleeping on the couch talking to herself she is

sonia morgan she was laying on the couch we used to have a boat we bought docked it in marina it was called the illegal which is weird um and she was just like going on and on about like a little timey boat and she was giving sonia morgan yeah yeah yeah she looked incredible i kind of wish she wasn't that drunk it was like maybe the best look I'd ever seen her in. Really? Her glam was so like natural and stunning. Her hair was pulled back at a low pony. She was wearing this really cute, I think it was Missoni cover-up and she just looked like fresh and young. Her body looked amazing because she literally fell asleep on the couch with her legs wide open. Her legs were like tan and smooth and gorgeous and I was just like, I wish we could have enjoyed this look because she looked amazing. Like

she, it was just, it was like a low-key look she's always doing the most yeah so it was like this understated glam that I thought she looked really beautiful oh I can't wait to see this um but she and all the women like thought it was funny but then they were talking afterwards how she said she's on antidepressants and Garcelle was pointing out how like she's been like probably mixing alcohol with like the wrong pills and it's just like not a good cocktail and it wouldn't have been such a big deal because they're like on vacation and whatever but like she's just going through a lot and she said she's on pills and like now now you're it's not like funny it's like are we worried about Erica right and we've known Erica for a while now and that's not really

Lisa Rinna said for the seven years I've known her I've never seen her even close to this drunk so to be that drunk when you know she's at a low point is worrisome. Yeah. Because some people, like, get really drunk all the time, like, by accident. You know what I mean? Some people have, like, low tolerance or whatnot. But Erica's always been, like, a drinker. But she's not been, like, a sloppy mess.

And that's what she was with her legs spread. Like, screaming obscenities. Like, obscenities. So the boat ride was, like, just really revolved around Erica. What's her name? Diana got stung by a jellyfish. I enjoyed that. Crystal.

Oh, and then there was, like, this weird moment, like, on the boat, and then at dinner where, like, Erica and Sutton are, like, vibing hard, like, talking about how they're both Southern and, like, their moms never showed them any love. And then Erica went on this weird drunken rant about how, like, agriculture was life and if you didn't work, you didn any love. And then Erica went on this weird drunken rant about how like agriculture was life. And if you didn't work, you didn't eat. And it was just like, okay, Erica.

But then towards the end, they went out to dinner on their last night and they're just like vibing and everyone's like talking about it. And they don't want people to be like talking about it and pointing it out. They just want to like chat. So I don't know what that means because Sutton was like, the last time we vibed on that boat in wherever they went last season, you're in your confessional saying you hate me. But you're just like talking to me to make the trip nice.

So I don't know if you're actually doing that now or if you actually want to move forward. But for the most part, there really wasn't any confrontation. I'm ready for Erica and Sutton to move forward. Me too. Because by the way, they were talking about how Sutton met this guy on Bumble and was showing a picture of him to Erica. It was really cute because they're both like newly single. I think that there's something there, um, if they can get past it and if Erica can like

stop being her villainous self, which she was not being this week, which I appreciated. Garcelle also brought up Denise because Garcelle's birthday party is next week's episode. And she said, I am bringing Denise. And Lisa Rinna said she has to be in New York for Harry Hamlin's movie premiere. Um, but then Lisa Rinna was like, you know, I did reach out to Denise and apologized for how I acted. And she said that she appreciated the text. And then Garcelle in her confessionals texted Denise

and was like, did Lisa Rinna text you? And Denise responded, when? So I don't know if Lisa was lying or Denise just doesn't remember. But that was interesting. And then the episode ended in like a weird like moment where they were trying to make more drama between Diana and Sutton.

So they get back on the plane, you know, it's Diana's plane. And they're sitting at the four top, you know, two seats and two seats. And it's like Kyle, Diana and Crystal. And Sutton's like, oh, can I sit here? There's one more seat left next to Diana. And Diana's like, no, go to your original seat. Like sit the way you sat on the way here she was like okay then everyone

sits down like they're all in different seats than they were on the way here and Sutton's like so upset she's like I could have gotten my own plane it was like so dumb and Garcelle was like yes you could have like trying to empower her like it was so dumb but Diana like is fucking rude like I I don't like Diana like I'm over her completely damn okay I'm gonna catch up I'll probably feel the same as you because that's usually how things go around here um but thank you for the recap I feel kept it's a pleasure it's a pleasure it wasn't like anything life-changing oh but you know what is life-changing our interview with Craig Conover which is yes

we haven't mentioned that the whole time so we had Craig Conover in studio yesterday he filmed a podcast with us so if you're listening to this as a podcast, just keep listening. Keep listening to our gorgeous voices. Don't go anywhere. If you're watching on YouTube, it's only available as a podcast. So check it out on Spotify or iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts.

He talked about the new season of Southern Charm. He talked about Naomi and Paige. He talked so much about Paige and just like how she's made him a better man. It was so cute. He looked great. He was so cute. And he's so nice. Like he really is the nicest guy. It was a pleasure. And looked great. He was so cute. And he's so nice.

Like, he really is the nicest guy. It was a pleasure. And Southern Charm premieres tonight, you guys. That's exciting. We'll be watching. Yeah, what else is on tonight? No, it's just Wednesday had everything. Yeah. Wednesday was Beverly Hills.

I haven't watched The Real Housewives of Dubai. And I know that the three first episodes of Ultimate Girls Trip and The Berkshires just came out this week or today. And I just like can't really stress how little I want to watch either of them. Yeah. I will probably watch Ultimate Girls Trip, but I just feel like I know what it's about already. It's Vicky versus Dorinda.

And it's just like messy versus messy. It's Vicky versus Dorinda. Yeah, Vicky's like, why are we in this old smelly house? And Dorinda's like so offended by that because that's what the whole season is about. Like her offending her stately, star at home oh god but I understand like the other women got to go to a villa in Turks and Caicos and we're at someone's house well you're also like the b-team right I do there are people I do want to see like I do want to see Jill and I really do want to see Taylor Armstrong yeah but I also feel like this ultimate girls trip is kind of an

audition I wouldn't be surprised if some people do come back from their shows if this goes well for them yes yes yes yes so we'll see could be starting lineup after this so Southern Charm tomorrow and that's that on that oh and you know what I watched Hacks the whole season what did you think it was so good it was just as good as season one not long enough not no but it was perfect the arc of the story was great. It was just as good. Usually the second season is a flop. Let down. Flop era. But I loved the storyline.

And I'm sure you felt very warm and fuzzy towards it. Touring. Because of the special, too. Yes, it was. First of all, I think they really nailed what it's like to sell a special. Because it's fucking hard, even if you're famous. I thought they nailed tour life. Literally going to Lord & Taylor and drinking fountain soda. like it was so good my only complaint is that there

wasn't enough deborah vance like we're getting to know so much about ava and her chief of staff and the water guy who cares yeah literally who cares i like that housekeeper though i want more of her she's um what is she from she's from something so iconic from our childhood. Yeah. Hold on. I think she's from The Suite Life of Zack and Cody. We're not going to let you go until we find out. Hacks, cats. And then, of course, the little brother from Ugly Betty. Oh, of course. Of course. And from, oh, he's from Suite Life of Zack and Cody.

I've got beef between my teeth. It would be lost without my floss. Iconic. What is the housekeeper from? She's in That's So Raven. Oh, yeah. She's a teacher. Thank you. Great. She's the teacher.

Great. I feel so much better. I love when that happens. She's also in Bad Teacher. Wow. Are you going to be okay? No. Oh, no.

I'm curious how they will do this into the next season like because like they should be separated hopefully it means no more ava that would be sensational oh and i loved like the moment when she decided to like go back spoiler alert go back to her roots and sell her special on qbc like that was so iconic yeah and then of course like she proved the concept and everyone came running with, like, millions of dollars. But I just love that. Like, her fans have always been there for her.

I just, I loved it. It was giving toast energy, honestly. It really was. It was giving Patreon. It was giving Patreon. Like, you know what? Like, who cares what the bigwigs think? Like, your fans are always here for you.

You built a community. They love you. I felt, like, I honestly felt so connected to the show more than I did even last season. No, and the storyline. Also, I like the fact that like the jokes in the beginning, like they were fine. The crowd wasn't really with her. And you could sense that because I was like, that's kind of a shitty joke. Yes. Not that funny.

And then like the jokes about by the end, like they're really great. Yeah. So good. So good. I loved it. And I can't wait for the next season. And I can't wait for the next season and I can't wait for tomorrow because it's Friday. Oh yeah. And it might be straday. It might be

straday. You never know with these boys one could get a tummy ache and not come to work. It's true. Sensitive stomachs. Yeah. Alright so if you're listening to this podcast here is our interview with Craig Conover. If you're watching on YouTube head over to the podcast app or Spotify and enjoy our little moment with Craig Conover. We love you guys and we'll see you tomorrow. Bye. Bye.

Welcome back to The Morning Toast. We are so excited to be sitting down with one of our favorite people. Honestly, one of the contributing designers to our studio. Yes. It is Craig Conover sitting on a Sewing Down South pillow. Hey, girls. Thanks for having me.

It's been a while since I've been on the show and the first time in the studio yes well thank you for making it so gorgeous with your stunning pillows i'm so flattered i was saying my team watches y'all every day and i catch you a lot too but to see the pillows in here is really cool and it goes perfectly with your aesthetic it does and you by the way look amazing and i have to believe a lot of that has to do with the lady in your life yes yes i am. I am. I don't have the vision for the New York style or just she's she said in a very nice way today. She said, Craig, I'm going to try to modernize your style. And I was like, I'm down for it. Because once I put these on, I was like, oh, that does look cool. Yeah. But when I first received the bag of clothes, I was like, you couldn't see it. No, I was like, these are sweatpants. And I was like, it's just a white t-shirt. Right. Yeah. I was like, if you can put an outfit together for me.

And she was like, yes, you look cool. Have you changed the way you dress in Charleston too or just when you're in New York? No, I, here's things that I've changed. I stopped wearing flip flops with pants. I think that's nice. Yeah. And, you know, I just didn't see how absolutely atrocious it was until I did it up here. And I was like, okay, put some

sneakers on Craig. No. And you can't walk around town with like your feet hanging out. It's disgusting. Like you're going to literally get so in Charleston, she's got a closet at my house now full of like her Charleston clothes. And she's really coming around to that style. To the Charleston aesthetic. Oh, I'm excited to see that. Yeah. A lot of colors. A lot of whites.

Some neutrals. And then up here, I'm getting used to doing just like whatever this is. It looks nice. It does look nice. And just spending time here. Obviously, tonight is the season premiere of season eight of Southern Charm. So you did watch What Happens Live. When you're here, you stay at Paige's apartment, right?

Yes, yes. That is so cute. Yeah, she's been gone to Italy for the last two weeks. So I've been in the apartment by myself and know all the doormen and door ladies. And so what we do is we have a key that I can pick up when I'm in town. But she could still tell the doorman not to give it to me. So what we do is we have a key that I can pick up when I'm in town, but she could still tell the doorman not to give it to me. Of course. I don't have my personal key, but I have one that they loaned.

That's as good. Having the doorman's permission without them having to call every time, that's a New York relationship milestone. It's so true. Yeah. So season eight of Southern Charm, you've been doing this forever. How does it feel now? I feel like you're in a much different place

than you were in the last couple of seasons. Obviously Paige is in your life and we're all just like obsessed. Obsessed. I hope you don't feel any pressure. Like we literally, if you don't get married, like we will be devastated.

No, I mean, it is really nice that everyone likes your girlfriend. Yeah. And like the sewing down south is killing it. What's wrong with my sewing? You pass the bar. Like you're just in this great place. And I imagine it's more fun to film that way when it's not all about like making fun of Craig. It is, but you'll see that, um, you know,

somehow that there's always something to, uh, to fight about and combat. Cause I think you'll see a lot of the guys, you know, I had to take a step back from the Charleston scene and social world to really just focus on myself because I wasn't able to go golfing during the day and not turn into, you know, a two in the morning thing. Right. So I just really pulled back and hung out with myself. And you'll see that some of the guys weren't happy about that. So there's a lot of conflict and conflict resolution this year. I'm excited because this will be the first show that Paige and I are actually dating on. Right.

Because in Summer House, we were still figuring stuff out. So this season opens up, you know, and we're boyfriend, girlfriend. You get to see us like, you know, our day to day a little more. And is she there for a lot of the filming? A decent amount. She was going through it last night in her head. She was like, okay, I was only there for that, that, that. And I was like, we were there for that too.

And she's like, oh man. There definitely got to a point where she was like, I think I'm just going to stay in the city this weekend. It's just, it's different than, you know, going to someone else's show is a little different. And, you know, our cast is all, like our group of friends is all, they're all crazy. Yeah. And you guys are really tight and like you've known each other forever yeah so and you we've gotten to the

point where we're just like screw it yeah like if we have a problem with someone we just go for it yeah so it's um it's a lot but you get to see the store which i'm pumped about you know this is you know they didn't they kind of gambled that sewing down south wasn't going to make it because i think a few people were still annoyed at the bar thing not working out in the beginning. So they were like, we're not even going to follow this sewing thing. And so fortunately it worked out, and now this year they really catch up. And you have a storefront now?

Yes. Where is it? On King Street in Charleston. That's so cool. Right across from all the bars that I went to in college. Yeah, full circle. The old strip. You're going up.

Are you going to plan to open stores anywhere else in the country strip you're going up are you gonna plan to open stores anywhere else in the country we hope so i think we'd start with some pop-ups um maybe in nashville or up here florida but um you know we're about to get into bedding so like bedroom sets and sleep pillows so we're just we're slowly expanding which has been been exciting. What's your best-selling product? I mean, it's evolving, which is great. We just launched a poolside collection, which is all outdoor pillows. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, so they don't fade and they're waterproof and all of that.

And so each season is a little different. I mean, our holiday pillows just have been – Kill it. They go bananas. And we'll do Christmas in July again in July. Um, but we've got, uh, you know, pillows for all sorts of holidays and, uh, it's just been, it's been fun to do what I love and share that positivity with everyone else because you see so many people that are made to feel guilty about having a side hustle or step it, you know, outside of that, you know. What's wrong with myself? Yeah. Or step it, you know,

outside of that, you know, nine to five kind of. Yeah. And I'm sure there's a lot of pressure, like with the platform that you have to like make it at what you're doing and to like use the show in a beneficial way. And,

you know, cause so many other people have had success with what they're doing, but a lot of people launch side hustles that don't. And I think people expect that if you have a show that it should be a success, but I'm sure there's a lot more that goes into it. Yeah, there is my partner. We, we do some talks around the country now. And Jerry's always like, you know, you would assume just cause you're on TV, it's really easy. And of course it's a huge platform and it is a huge advantage, but there's a lot that goes into it. And if you think about it, there haven't been as many Bravo products, uh, as you may think. There are so many flops. Like, yeah, they're like the ones that stick out are obviously like skinny girl. There are a few, but then when you

think how every season, literally so many of the housewives or whatever shows are doing like a clothing line, a skincare line, and they never really come to fruition. You're right. It's like, there aren't actually that many that are still standing. Right. And so we wanted to build a brand that was independent of myself. And, you know, when the show ends one day that there was actually a sewing down south following. And I think we've kind of gotten there.

And there were so many people that rooted for me that were like, we look like the dumbest person in the room right now sticking up for you. Please just like pull through. Yeah. And so that's what sharing the store with all of those people that stuck with me has We look like the dumbest person in the room right now sticking up for you. Please just like pull through. Make it work. Yeah. And so that's what sharing the store with all of those people that stuck with me has been really fun. Yeah. Are any of those people your cast members or just like people on the business side?

I mean, you know, Catherine always rooted for me. You always rooted for Catherine. Yeah. And she's, you know, she's Catherine. Yeah. I love her to death. You'll get to see some of the other guys on the show and girls. There was. Yeah. I love her to death. You'll get to see some of the other guys on the show and girls. Their words.

Yeah, and their version of doing that, I didn't necessarily agree with all of it. Some people maybe feel like they were responsible for my success because they pushed me a little bit. Oh, that's so obnoxious. Was it Shep? Yes. That sounds like the dumbest thing ever Was it Shep? Yes. Yes.

That so sounds like the dumbest thing ever that only Shep would say. Oh, man. So, you know, we butt heads a lot this year, the guys again. But you also get to see us going back and having fun. Like, you know, there's a lot of laughing that I hope everyone gets to see. But there are some crazy, there's like, there's a romance on the show this year that just the greatest writers in the world couldn't have thought of so is it you and page well we are a romance on well what also is weird i think has a lot of people talking is naomi's back obviously she

hasn't been on the show since for a while and i think well at least what i saw from the trailer is like there's trying they're trying to make like a whole thing about Paige. And as far as I know, it's like they like each other, respect each other, get along decently as much as you can get along with someone's ex. Yeah, I thought Paige and her did an incredible job. You know, Charleston's a very incestuous place where everywhere you go, you're going to be around an ex. It's a very small town.

And like in New York, Paige is like, I don't see my exes. Right. But she actually handled it and was open to it incredibly. And what people have to remember is what you're, that Naomi thing was happening when summer house was going on. Right. So like that was when, you know, she was doing her thing. I was doing my thing. It ended up being incredible closure for me that I didn't know I needed. Um, And I think, you know, she said that it was temporary comfort for her going through whatever she did in New York.

And so obviously they were going to try to tease that and make it suspenseful. Right. But it had happened months before Paige and I started dating. So, you know, of course it stinks that I had to put Paige through that at the end of the day. But it, you know, it course it stinks that I had to put Paige through that at the end of the day. Um, but it, you know, it all works out. And, uh, you know, Naomi handled it great. She called me

to ask she, I was the first call. So she was like, Hey, I know it's your show. Do you mind if I come back? I could really use this. And I was like, sure. You know, I think viewers would love that. And, uh, as long as you apologize to the people you need to, um, you know, I think viewers would love that. And as long as you apologize to the people you need to. Yeah. You know, because she kind of left town. Abruptly. Yeah. And was, you know, kind of like screw everyone.

And she, you know, she handled it right. So Shep made a good point this week. He's like, we're in a society where if you mess up, everyone's so quick to be like, well, you're screwed. That's it. But like, you got to have some way to redeem like well you're screwed like that's it but like you gotta have some way to redeem yourself yeah yeah because no one's perfect so I thought you were so great on summer house like you brought this very calming energy you were extremely level-headed and like very rational about everything and what I loved so much was that like so much of the

storyline revolves around you moi and I heard that you I was talking to Austin about this when you guys were on stage um doing your pillows and beer podcast you thought that I was you moi no Austin because of your April 4th of course of course like you believed it Austin ran to me and was like oh my god oh my god oh my god look at this and I was like I don't think so because she writes a lot of negative stuff about me right right and I knew it just didn't make sense. If it was you, I would be, I've,

I was like, I hope that's not true because I would feel a little betrayed by them. And then I was like, you idiot. It's April fool's. Um, no, but Austin was like freaking out.

He pays attention to so much of that stuff, but she was at one of our shows and she's, yeah. And she sent us a video to me on Instagram of the show. Did you see her? Um, no. Someone asked the question, you know, how do you feel about tomorrow? And I was like, look, I'm a capitalist.

So, you know, whatever like works, right. It's your business props to you. Is it not that much fun for me sometimes sure but i was like i hope it doesn't change the way what i've seen it have an effect on it as the way people treat us in public because instead of coming up to say hi they just take a picture and their goals to be on those sites and like write something in that might be a little more exaggerated than what they saw and And I was like, just don't keep it from saying hi. Don't keep it from saying hi.

Still say hi. Don't let it break that personal kind of relationship. And she was like, I guess your answer was okay or whatever. Because, of course, I was trying to keep Austin from blurting out, like, screw her and everything. Because in my head, I was like, this might be the person in the shadows might be. Right. That's so crazy lurking at your show. How was that podcast tour?

It was fun. I'm still kind of shocked that we had so many people come. But I mean, if BravoCon showed us anything or like my store days, I mean, you guys have done great with it. Like people want to come interact in person. Um, it's funny doing it with someone that's so different than you. Like I love Austin to death, but it is really a yin and a yang. Um, and Austin kind of needs fresh material every show. Some people like to do like, you know, rinse and repeat and kind of, but Austin's like, I need to be stimulated in every show. So it was to do like, you know, rinse and repeat and kind of, but Austin's like,

I need to be stimulated in every show. So it was a little bit of work, but we got incredible feedback. We broke a lot of the venues, alcohol sales records, which they love. They're like, it's Tuesday night. Like what the hell is going on?

Right. Um, so we're going to go on tour at the end of the summer. Uh, we're going to do like a Texas leg in the southeast. Killing it. Oh, you know, we were talking about you on the podcast a little while ago because your book came out and you opened up about how early on in the seasons

you were like relying kind of unhealthily on Adderall. Yes. Can you talk a little bit about that and like how you moved past it? Yeah. You have COVID? Yeah. It's like a third cough. Tell me more. We have to like anytime we're in New York doing NBC stuff, we have to get tested like every day. excuse me you have COVID yeah it's like a third cough tell du moi

we have to like anytime we're in New York doing NBC stuff we have to get tested like every day no I was kidding I know but that's crazy

it's not a throaty cough I'm always like it's dry yeah so my Adderall yeah I mean that's what writing the book

was basically one giant therapy session for me because I've never done too well with therapy I believe in it but I've never done too well with therapy. I believe in it, but I've never gone back to a therapist twice. Like I've always just been like, why am I here? I completely just profiled myself.

I told you everything wrong with me and you're just listening. Yeah. Yes, I need to stick with it probably. But the book really made me look in the mirror and I had no idea how many facets of my life were affected by Adderall like looking back and telling these stories I was like oh well that happened because I was like strung out on Adderall and all of this stuff so you know it happened in law school um but I really didn't have a problem with it until Naomi and I started to break up and kind of that last year of our relationship

you know when you have that second half of relationships it's not that fun and it's stressful so I started to take Adderall as my happy pills because if I was taking Adderall I wasn't stressed like it shuts down the emotional side right so I was like focused on sewing or gardening or whatever it may be um and are those the scenes we saw you like just not getting out of bed till late and your house was a mess. Yeah. And I wanted to blame it on producers, but they're like, but you were in bed till late.

Cause I would just go until I crashed. So I'd go to bed at sunrise. And you just don't, Adderall's are tricky one to really realize that you're hooked on because it's supposed to make your life so much easier. And for a lot of people, it does for a long time. Right.

And then all of a sudden this thing that helped you do so well earlier in Because it's supposed to make your life so much easier. And for a lot of people, it does for a long time. And then all of a sudden, this thing that helped you do so well earlier in life is kind of this devil in your closet. So I was in the Bahamas when we were spearfishing and there was a shark in the water and I couldn't hold my breath because I had stupidly like taken an Adderall that morning just because it was a habit. Right. So I couldn't hold my breath to go down and like warn my friend that there was a shark in the water.

And that was the day that I was like, all right, you got to like chill. Stop. Yeah. So I stopped taking in the Bahamas. But then as soon as I came home and started filming again, I started taking it and I was like, I do not want to go down that road again. So I just like quit cold turkey. But, um, so many people have come out of the, whatever, I don't know why I would say cornfield. That doesn't make any sense. The woods. Yeah. Yeah. The cornfield, uh, celebrities, some famous people.

I've been like, Hey, I've never talked to anyone about this, but it affects my marriage. It affects my relationship with my kids and I don't know who to talk to. So as soon as I found out that people were kind of being helped by me telling my story, I was like, I guess this is my penance of being so crazy for so long. So it's been three years since I've touched an Adderall pill. That's great. That is great. And it's great that you're talking about it because clearly it's something that affects

a lot of people that they don't talk about. And I feel like for Adderall, with law school or college and reality TV, it's like they're the two places where it's very much part of the accepted culture yeah you know especially when you're filming a show and you have to drink and then you have to get up and then you have to be on and like it's probably very easy to fall into those and you have to talk about like stuff and be honest and truthful and it's like yeah it kind of it made it a lot easier to you know to film but that was on me because a lot of times you have to talk about things you don't want to talk

about an Adderall, you know, you take an Adderall and you're like, actually, let me tell you everything about everything. But, um, you know,

I should have, Shep always said you shouldn't take it unless you have a test to study for. And that was true. So, um, Shep with the wisdom. I mean, I think it was out of the woodwork,

out of the wood, not the cornfield, but if they wanted to come out of the cornfield, we'd let them. Yeah. Before we let you go, what can we expect this season? The trailer was not kind to Shep. The trailer was not kind to Shep. Shep's going to have a tough, you know, season.

He's it's we're all pretty, you know know they know just how long of a break to give you from the last season for that you come in and you're like yeah let's do this again and like let's not have our guard up and Shep just um you know I yell a lot this season like of course it's not going to be easy for me either um but he's going to have, you know, a tough time and him and Taylor are still together, which is great. And they just went on an awesome trip. Um, but reliving, so there's a lot of conflict resolution on this season, like I said, but there was a lot of conflict. And when you have to relive that conflict, everyone handles it a little differently. And it just brings up like the emotions that you buried a year ago. Right. So I tried to watch the first episode and I made it 10 minutes in and I like got angry

and like almost wanted to like, you know, rage text the producer. And I was like, this is why you don't watch Craig. Right. Like go like, and as soon as I put my phone down, I was like, yes, if you can't handle it, then don't do it. Yeah. But Paige watched it and she was like, it's fine. So I was like, as long as you're good, then I'm good.

Yeah. Oh, I can't wait to see it. Me too. And we are just so happy. Thank you for coming. Of course. Please give Paige our best. Our regards.

And maybe I'll come back in a couple of weeks when we can talk about some bombshells that come out. Yes. We'd love that. This couch is always open to you, Craig. There we go. Love it. Well, tune into the new episode of Southern Charm.

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