The Toast - Say Less Bestie: Wednesday, March 4th, 2026

Episode Date: March 4, 2026

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It's Jackson, Claude and neighbor show the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off, swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy, is it Wednesday? I knew I felt a little something for my sister. It's humpday. Don't forget to Humbley-Love and speaking of somebody I love.

I'm joined today by kind of an iconic queen. We're going to slick back button. Jacqueline Foley. Hello, Miss Foley. It's Wednesday. So if you're following my trajectory. of hairstyles throughout the week, which is, you know, a very predictable journey. It's a Bundy. This is as my hair fades into oiliness. That's funny. I also have like a weekly

hair schedule because I start, I usually wash my hair on Sunday. And I try, I try to make it like as far into the week as I can before I have to wash it again. And so on day one, like I always look like I'm wearing a wig. Like when I have fresh like blown out Dyson Airwrapped hair, it's giving shade-all. Like it's giving religious woman wearing a wig. And as the days progress, like I look more and more like I'm just wearing my own hair. Oh, that's beautiful. Day one is always very exciting for me. And right now, as I am experiencing a change of hair, and I'm using like a lot of serums and oils, my window of hair washing ratio is smaller than usual. I usually can go like from Sunday to Friday. You have night sweats? Not to brag. Do I have night sweats? Not at the moment.

No. Okay. Like when I was breastfeeding, like they never went away. So I would wake up every day like drenched. Oh no, no, no. No, I'm okay on that front. But more so like I'm using like, you know, divvy and oil to help grow my hair. So like I don't have as much life per wash per se. Now, do I look different to you in any way? Like maybe a little. Couple things, couple things. You're wearing a new sweater that I really love.

And I feel like it should be mine. It's so me. Oh my God. Okay. Is that what it was? No. It comes with matching pants, but it was like a little too hot to wear the pants.

And yeah, I bought it at J.Crew. I'm kind of like, actually sorry, I bought it at J. Crew Factory, which I just learned is like Nordstrom rack. Oh my gosh. Oh my God. I got three pairs of pants and a matching set. I'm obsessed with Jake Crew Factory. You're the queen of the diffusion stores.

Oh, man. I didn't know there were so many. Like I knew the OGs, T.J.M.X. Marshall's home goods. That's Office. Okay, so I didn't really realize that Sacks Off Fifth is also one of those, but it's like a higher tier. So the pricing is still like a little nutty. Neiman Markin's last call. Yeah.

J. Crew Factory. I think you should head over to J. Crew Factory. You would love it. And I'll send you a link for my set. I really love it. What else did you want to point out that it looks different about me today? I'm going to do a scan. It's something that you maybe may not be able to see, but more so feel.

Okay. What am I feeling from you? Are you feeling like a sense of maturity and elegance and sort of just like well-read? Yes, I will say yes, because that sweater looks like a sweater of a woman who's mature elegant and well-read. Well, that makes sense because I did read with my partner in bed last night. How was it? Was it everything we ever dreamed of? I just have to tell you something. Like, we're so working through it.

It was so quiet. Like, I couldn't put the TV on in the background because then I would have just watched TV. No. But, like, it was dead silent. But that's part of maturation is being comfortable in silence. And it's not even silent because you're reading. It was great.

First of all, I've been, I actually have not read a full book in probably a year. Like, I've been so bad. But I got a book in the mail from Alison Pataki. Yeah, that's right. We're friends with Alison Pataki. She wrote The Marvelous. Magnificent Marjorie Post. Our favorite book ever.

Yeah. And she writes like swirly autobiography. She writes swirly historical fiction books based on real characters, but she adds an element of swirliness so that we can digest it? So she has a new one coming out and she DMed me. It was like, can I send it? I was like, of course. I'm like, this is going to be the thing.

Now, when I got the book in the mail yesterday, I was a little disheartened because it looks like... Huge. Enormous. It looks like, uh... Help me. My book. Demon Copperhead. It's just thick as demon copperhead.

But it's not... Without the clout. I'm going to do it. There was like a pargy girl on the cover. You know, I... It called It Girl, which is really a great name for anything. It's giving Gossip Girl. Like on the cover is a woman, but like nose down, you know, declatage.

And I said I could do it. I'm going to do it. And I told you guys last week that I bought Ben a book and it was supposed to be a Shabbat book, but I said, let's read, let's read. Of course it took like a little. He's like, I'm not in the mood. I'm like, well, no one's in the mood to read. You just like sort of have to do it.

So we read for, I want to say an hour. It was great. And then like when we went to sleep, he was like, tell me about your book. And I was like, tell me. And I understand based on what Ben told me, like, why you would never recommend this book, but why it's perfect for Ben, because he's telling me that the book is from multiple POVs. Snitch's least favorite. If you're Redhead, you know that.

And I don't know if Snitch knows that there's a genre of book where, like, one of the POVs is a human and the other is an octopus. So when Ben's saying that, like, one of the book's perspectives is written from the perspective of an octopus. And the other is of the person who works in the aquarium where the octopus lives, I was like, oh, we have to throw the book in the garbage. But Ben, of course, like, Ben is so connected with Marine Wildlife. I'm like, oh my God, I picked the perfect book for my husband. And he was saying like that the octopus really wants to get out of the aquarium. And I was like, this is so bad.

Like, he loved it. So A plus to me for picking a buck for my husband. Like, it's perfect. Did the evening go off? Like, well, would you do it again? Would you recommend to a friend? Yes. And we both fell asleep very quickly.

We weren't like, you know, wound tightly from all the blue screens, you know? Right. We had to bed at like 930, just like peaceful adults. So much maturation happening in my bedroom last night. Wow. Wow. I'm really proud of you guys. And the book is great, of course.

Oh, good. Yeah, it's really good. It's very gilded age meets almost like Evelyn Hugo. I'm on my way. Yeah, it's really good. Say less besty. Yeah. I saw a TikTok last night.

That was like how two Gen Z girls talked to each other. And it was like... Gen Z, okay. And it was like, they just talk, like, you know... Now do they talk? Well, yeah. They don't say anything. They're like, no, stop.

Because like, same. And it was just like really funny back and forth. And I'm like, I'm enjoying watching this, but it's going to affect how I speak. Yeah. And I never want to speak like that. Say less besty. Okay. Say more, Queenie.

That's what we say, because we encourage dialogue here with the toast. We do. We do. I really enjoyed the TikTok, but or the real. I was going to say, are you watching TikToks in your Tesla? I watched TikTok to Real Pipeline. Of course, of course. And I just didn't want it to affect me, but it seems like it has.

You're getting smarter. I'm getting stupider. It's so true. Join me up here. I'm leveling up, everyone. I'm reading. And I watch Summerhouse. Yikes.

Ooh, yeah, I'm kind of like taking the moral high ground. Well, I mean, I finished a book last week, so I'm kind of like, I'm good for the month. I'm good for the year. I'm set. Yeah. So I was able to watch Summer House last night. I'll do a recap at the end. Nothing crazy.

We're still setting the stage. We're still meeting new people. Dara's here. Oh. Say hello to Dara. To the TikToker. I like Dara. She has a lot of confidence and she's coming in solo.

She's pretty. She's very pretty. But it's crazy to have someone come in solo in the middle of the summer. Like, why would you do this? that to someone when other girls got to come with friends in the beginning of the summer. Maybe production could like was getting the feeling that something wasn't working and they just like throw someone else in there. Said what about Dara?

Yeah. So I really like her but like she's just, you know, immediately attract like she's going like talking to guys and it's like. Everyone has a head start. It's a hard way to come in. Yeah. She's very confident. I don't think she's worried about that.

But like I'm worried about that because I just have Lexi trauma. And you're kind of like an empath. I'm sensing. I am an empath. And I have Lexi PTSD. Of course. You're not even an empath. You're a Lexepath.

And it's really hard to watch the show Without like being like justice for Lexi At every turn everything Jesse does I'm like Lexi Yeah What about Lexi? Imagine how Lexi felt What else can I tell you?

We celebrated Purim yesterday Happy Purim Samaya I had about three Haman Boo Haman I had about three homantoshin If you know you know I love a fucking homintoshin

Yeah it's really a shortbread cookie I will say like a lot of the cuisine of my people, like, is not my favorite, you know? It's just, like, a lot of deli meat. And, like, I just don't love, like, Jewish cuisine. Of course, I love a Kashavarnika. But I would say, like, for... That's not enough course.

I wouldn't say that's guaranteed. Yeah. For me, like, our cultural food, to me, it's, like, not my favorite. And which are you speaking, like, Ashkenaz food? Because I... Like, all... You don't like... I grew up, like, with a really good friend who's Moroccan.

So I ate a lot of Moroccan food. And I actually, you know, as her... She slayed the house-down boots with those meals. And you... I love like meat cigars. I do love meat cigars. And you love Arias. Yeah, but that's like Middle Eastern food.

Like I'm talking about cultural Jewish. Yeah, like Second Avenue deli type of prep lock. Ashkenaz. Like your Alicia wouldn't say that's Jewish because she didn't grow up with it. Ashkenaz Fair. Yeah. Middle East is Sfaric. Yeah.

Okay. Ashkenaz Fair. Okay. You know, Gifilta fish. Just not my, my scene per se. Although we ate the house down. I love Gafelth fish with those humantosh in a little, is it shortbread? It's like a crumbly little patient.

with a jam filling. It's a shortbread cookie. I love a strawberry homantoshin. So fucking delicious. And what's funny is you would think chocolate homantashen would be the best, but actually, no, it needs that light fruitiness. You would think that a chocolate homantoshin would be the best,

but it does need that fruitiness. Like, actually, shockingly. The worst hematatatation? Okay. Greater than chocolate humantoshin. Yes, you need that light. The best, stay with me. Strawberry.

It's three, two, one, strawberry. There's really strawberry apocop prune. Now people get crazy. Prune? I saw a Biscoff homintoshing yesterday. Well, I love when my people get creative, of course. Yeah. But let's just speak of the traditional flavors.

But you need that light fruittiness. So yeah, sometimes you just need a little jam. I love jam, by the way. I love the final jam. Did I make my own jam when I had to steam and puree blueberries for rubula? Is that jam? No. So you would think.

But no. Blueberry jam. Like in order to make jam, you boil, you had lemons, sugar, salt, like a bunch of stuff. So it's not an actual jam. When I made blueberry pervary. When I made blueberry. When I made blueberry puree food for Rubula, it looked like as ever with love. It did.

But it didn't taste like it. I've never made jam, even though you would think. That's definitely next on your list. Yeah. Olivia makes jam. Yeah. Once I get back into the swing of things. Right.

And you know what's going to get me back into the swing of things, not to like put the car before the horse, but like, in a couple months when I am making baby food. That's how I got into like cooking from scratch to begin with because like I want to see what's in everything. And I'm about to go on that journey again, a little sourdough for Maxi. He will love it. He would love it. He would love it.

What are the stories like today? A lot of content news. Like lots of TV. Like pilots, variety deadline. Yep. I love that. Deadline. Production.

Deadline. Cut. It's the theme of the episode. TV guide. Okay. Inside our news. Should we? Get into it?

I mean, we haven't dally that much. Honestly, not in the mood. Okay, what else is going on with you? What do you think of Luke home's new song, Be By You? I haven't experienced it enough because I've fallen down to Teddy Swims a rabbit hole and I can't get up. You should get up because Luke Holmes' new song is so good. I think I listen to it once. I just want to make love wake up next to you with no makeup on.

So unfortunately, like my hormonal journey right now like only has me listening to like soulful and or house music. House? Yeah, I just love the beats. Now, I do think when I stop breastfeeding, and I have that hormonal change, like, maybe I'll be feeling country music, but like, this is really crazy to say,

like, I'm not listening to any country music right now. That's just, like, not what the hormones have in store for me. Okay. I know. Usually that's, like, all I crave. Yeah. But I'm listening to my body. My body wants David Getta.

What are you going to do about it? You can't fight nature. Can I circle back quickly? to something we spoke about yesterday, just like a brief update for the fans. You're going to be on Rooney? I'm not going to be on Rooney. But I have heard, because I haven't heard from Haley Glassman. I mean, she blocked me, but she doesn't posted anything, whatever.

And apparently, like, her comeback is that I made everything up. She said, like, I'm lying and all these are fake screenshots. Okay. Yeah. So that's what I did over the weekend. I made up screenshots. I actually screen, I'm glad I screened recorded. That's really good.

Our entire thread. before she blocked me just in case, like, I needed receipts, and she did block me. So I just want to say, like, given everything I'm seeing, like, sounds amazing. She's going to be, like, an amazingly crazy housewife. It's giving one season wonder. Like, it'll be a crazy, nutty season where something happens. But it's not sustainable.

No. Yeah, because we need to be, like, anchored to the truth. The truth will set you free. But, like, okay, let's see what happens. When you throw a crazy person in the mix. Yeah, that was like, you're right, not like, I feel like I was very graceful yesterday. I did say, forgive her. even though she didn't apologize.

And now she's over here slandering me saying I'm lying. So, like, now she's officially my anime. She's got to protect Haley's self. Like someone, I imagine getting on Roney is like the most amazing thing that could happen. And she's not going down. She's not about to let her like, um. She's not going down with turd ship. Yeah, right.

She will throw you under that ship. I won't go down with this ship. And we're not here to throw her off the ship. I said, don't fire her. Like, I literally came on this show. We just want to have. So supportive of my childhood bully. And there's she.

is now accusing me of lying. We want to have a quorum on the ship and talk about who was bullying on the ship. There's only one way for this saga to end. Have her on the toast? A thousand percent. The invitation is open. I think that would make like really amazing content. Really? Yeah, we would just sit here and be like, it will kind of be like a study into the mind of a troll. Let's see if she will be open about it. Okay. And I'm going to sit down with my biggest fan. Like, that's so exciting. People are always saying, oh, you should have toasters on the show. Here we go. I think it'll be a one-on-one.

You're not coming. You better be my bully. You're not going to have my back against the schoolyard bully. I'll have your back. But that doesn't sound like this, that's what this is. Well, I have to see what sort of energy. Like, I will be receptive to like whatever sits in front of me. And one thing about me, maybe for you as well, like when someone says sorry, like the power of a sorry.

Absolved. So actually, when somebody says sorry to me, like, everything I felt before flips. And I actually feel bad that like I brought this person to the place of saying sorry. Like I had to debase them into an apology. Like I can't receive an apology without feeling so guilty. Yeah. No, but really, I'm like, it wasn't that big of a deal. I don't know why I was like so upset.

I'm so ready to move on after a genuine sorry, which is why I appreciate like a real apology. But when I get a real apology, Jackie, it's Hilly Joel Osman. Oh, my God, I love. Using an anti-Semitic slur to a police officer. and the next morning, like, writing up one of the most heartfelt apologies, he was like, I fully blacked out. I don't use that word. I don't know why I said it.

I feel awful. Like, one thing about me, I'm Hilly Joel Osmond's number one fan. Like, that's on take, when we say accountability, a word that has truly lost its meaning. I'm talking about Haley Joel Osmond the morning after his arrest, okay? That's why I don't like, like, phony, like bullshit apologies because you take the power out of an apology, and I think an apology is so powerful. I totally agree. So that's-

The power of forgiveness is so real. It is. I find myself to be like a very forgiving person. Three words. Haley Joel Osmond. The proof is an angel. Like if you want to know how truly graceful and forgiving we are, just watch the episode where we heard that Haley Joel Osmond used the K word.

Okay. And then we were like mad at ourselves. We were like, maybe the officer was. That's the power of a good apology. Like it can get you to really swing. It's so true. It's so true. True that.

I hope he's doing well. But I feel like we are unique in that. Yeah. Other people, like, they want you to apologize and to grovel. No, but other people also demand apologies, no matter the genuine name. Don't apologize if you don't need it. No, they demand apologies and then they don't forgive. So don't demand and don't apologize if you're not going to forgive.

But that's on everyone else, not the two women. Sitting here, right. Sort of talking the talk and walking the walk. Three words, Haley-Jol-Lossman. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Now.

No, I feel right. I feel right. I feel right. I feel like, we should just end on a win. Yeah, yeah, before we like, fuck it up. Yeah, right. Without further, a do-to-do-do, it is time for the fast five stories

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That's BetterHelp, H-E-L-P.com slash toast, BetterHelp.com slash T-O-A-S-T. And thank you BetterHelp for reminding me that March is International Women's Month. I totally forgot to wish you a happy International Women's Month. Oh, my gosh, we're four days behind. That's so us.

Forgetting about fellow woman. Totally. Happy International Women's Month to you. You as well. I hope you're celebrating. Should we celebrate International Women's Month by changing businessman of the week just for March to be businesswoman of the week?

That would actually be really amazing, but unfortunately we've already crowned this week's businessman. And not only that, we're just really not those type of women because I support women all year long. I don't need a monthly reminder. I know some of like other women do. I don't. Yeah. Also, I feel like when you get into the month game, then you have to celebrate every month. And if you don't celebrate some months, like it just will never actually just be able to choose like the best business person, you know? Right. So I feel like let the best business person be the businessman of the week. What you're saying is,

BMOTW is very much a meritocracy. It is a meritocracy. Okay. And, well, now that you've said it, like, I do sort of want next weeks to be a woman because I just, I don't know, I feel like that's really beautiful. How about this? How about this? Let's see if any woman dazzles us.

Yeah. I'll be on the lookout. Yep. Our first story, not Carolyn Beset, Sarah Pigeon, who plays Carolyn Beset Kennedy in JFK, love story or whatever the fuck it's called. Love story. The JFK Jr. and Carolyn Beset's a new face of road. Genius. I was waiting for Calvin Klein to do an undie thing with her and Paul Smith, whatever his name is, Paul Anthony. Paul Anthony. Paul Anthony. I had no idea. J of K. Paul. And I was waiting for somebody to tap them very much like the skims model where like someone's having a moment. I will say road acted very quickly. Slay the house down boots. I saw a TikTok of like how people are getting so like bent out of shape with Carolyn Bissette being like, rest in peace, Carolin Bessette. You would have loved Pilates.

And it was a podcast clip from Fluently Forward. It was like, rest in peace, Carolyn Beset, you would have loved Macha. And it's like Macha and Pilates were around with Carolyn Bissette. She was chain smoking in her apartment was a dump. Like she's not the bitch you think she was. Like her hair was always messy. Like, you guys are just like putting your clean girl aesthetic. Like no.

The thing is like she was the it girl at the time and the it girls then were chain smoking. Yes. Now the it girls are doing Machen Palletes. She would have, I'm with them. She would have low up Macham Palladis. I want to say, I do think people are getting. And a cigarette. Really are like bent out of shaping.

and a cannabis set core, although it's very much like when Sophia Ritchie, like went viral for her style and everybody started dressing like nicely. Yeah, wear your black trousers. It's having a good effect. It's having a nice. I think everybody's looking really nice and like sort of polished and business casual. So I like that. I like that too. Sarah Pigeon is insanely gorgeous.

I didn't realize her background at all. I never watched her original show The Wilds, which I actually think I might have seen the first episode of where like a plane crashes on an island with like a bunch of girls going to like a. troubled youth school. And she's like one of the girls, I think. And so people really loved it. It was very much like the society. It got canceled and like there was a really niche following. But she also has a background on Broadway because I saw this clip of her doing NPR tiny desks singing. Oh, wow. And she had like black hair. I'm like, is that Carolyn Beset? Kennedy? Yeah, she was on like a Yeah, she used to have brown hair. She talks about it. She was interviewed in Vogue for being the new face of road, talking about beauty, talking about how she's loving life as a blonde. And she's going to

stay a blonde, like, until she has to change for her next role. And being the face of road. And I know, like, Road is big business, but I feel like this is a major move for Road. Yes. It's their first, like, very much entering this level of, like, kind of the Skims model. I don't know who was doing it before Skims. Like, Victoria's Secret Angel almost, like. Yeah, but they also had Tate McCray for the lip liners.

I know. And I don't feel like that really moved. Like, it was exciting for, like, young girls on TikTok. But outside of that, you know, yeah. Yeah, I don't feel like it was nearly as exciting. So this isn't their, like, first face, just to say, but I don't know. It's their first sleigh. It's a really great face for the brand.

And I don't, I don't know why, like, I feel like they, I'm shocked that she did this, you know. Sarah Pigeon. Yeah. Because she seems like such a big deal right now. She could have any beauty campaign in the world. She didn't pay her a lot. Yeah, no, but it's great for Road that they got her. And I think it's great for her.

And I think this is a really well match. But I'm, it didn't seem so obvious to me. No, of course not. It's also a big deal because, like, this company became a billion dollar company off of one face. And I think the goal is that like Road could flourish without Haley and it's just like a skincare brand that everybody knows and loves that happened to be started by Haley Bieber. So them sort of like passing the baton onto a new face is a big deal.

No, and like Caroline Beset would have loved Road. When Tate McCray did it, it was just like a campaign. It wasn't like she's the new face. And she was kind of just like a model and a commercial. It wasn't, I don't know, it wasn't like a passing of the baton. No, but it's like if she launched, this one ever happened. If she launched lip liners and had like Kylie. Like Kylie is the face of lip liner.

Like that's how I feel about Sarah. Sarah Pigeon and Carolyn Missette. Like they really are like the clean girl personified on TV right now. And it's, it makes a lot of sense. The campaign itself is Gorgina. She has like glowy-dewy skin, lots of blush, like the very road aesthetic. She's wearing pink. I loved it.

Like I thought this was such a sleigh creatively. I thought it was a great choice for Sarah Pigeon, not an obvious choice. I'm sure she has a lot of options. I thought it was a great choice for her, an amazing get for them. And I just know like Kim is freaking. Like this is so like skins. Yeah, it is. And because of the Calvin Klein of it all too

and how Kim's like swims, sorry, underwear, like lingerie shoots have kind of become the new Brooke Shields, Mark Wahlberg, Calvin Klein era. I'm sure like she's kind of pissed. Yeah. And I do think them doing Calvin Klein ad like would have been two on the nose, but I think them doing skims together,

JFK and Sarah, would have been what we would have thought would happen. And honestly, it's still could because this is just beauty. She can still like sell undies. No, of course, but like getting it first. I was really waiting for the Calvin Klein. I don't know if like Calvin Klein hates this show and it's not going to get involved because he's being portrayed as like a kind of an asshole. So maybe that's why they didn't do it.

Yeah. But it's a missed-up. I'm sure it was floated at like a Calvin Klein headquarters. They're like, should we ask? And they were like, no. No, honestly, I'm waiting for skins. I think skims could still happen. It would have been a slight if it came out before Road.

But it's two different things. And I think we should have both because they sound both really part of jean. I love this. Yeah. I agree. All in all, like the effect the show is having on culture is a net. positive and I'm seeing a lot of content and it's not like bothering me no no I love it like I trust with me like as if I was car la Missette or I saw some girl being like I worked for ethel Kennedy for three years I think she like worked in her home and how like so many of the rules were so strict you had to serve from the left but take away from the right like I mean you

like a really amazing lady and of course Taylor Swift's era apparently ethel loved Taylor like she thought it was amazing I said, oh my, it's a great song. What a marvelous tune. It was the best night. Never would forget how we moved. The whole place was dance to the nines and we were dancing, dancing. I wonder if Taylor's watching Love Story,

or it's like too close. She met some of these people. I think she is watching because I think she's in her TV era right now. And she like kind of had the, we're all having the experience that she had 10 years ago where she became obsessed with the Kennedys, but she just had access and started dating one of them. Yes.

Also, upon further review, and seeing a video interview of Jack Schlossberg, I think he's mad at the show because I think he would have wanted to play JFK. That's such a hot take. I haven't heard anybody say that. Yeah, no, when I saw him, I'm like, you know, he kind of looks like him.

And after Michael Jackson's nephew was playing Michael Jackson, and they had the hardest time casting, why not the nephew? Yeah, what if you just, that's not a bad call. Although I don't think the concept of being upset at like a fictionalized show about like people in your family who died tragically. Like, I feel like that happens a lot.

Like, they make movies or panel Anderson. Like, nobody likes the thing. But I feel like he's coming out so hard against it while also benefiting from it so greatly. It's like, well, just be quiet and like enjoy the attention because you like need it. Maybe some of the details are wrong and the personality. They have nothing to go on. But at the end of the day as a whole, the show is a love story to JFK and Carolyn.

And it's overwhelming in a positive light. A thousand percent. So, yeah, maybe the. details aren't what how you so how how how it happened um but overall i feel like it's a good thing it's introducing a lot of people to them no and it's resurging this like obsession with the kennedy dynasty and like now we're looking for you know rando kennedy's and he's won so it's like and he's running for congress so like you would think in the political space like it's so beneficial for him he is really sort of riding the coattels of it while also slamming it you know who else could

have played jfk he's a little young but he's related Connor Patrick Schwarzenegger? I believe I read somewhere, thank you for reminding me. He was Ryan Murphy's like, there's something. Maybe he, Ryan Murphy wanted him to do it and he was like absolutely not because this is like his actual family. Although that would have been a great casting. There was something with Arnold, not Arnold, excuse me, Patrick. Yeah, he doesn't look like him a lot and he doesn't seem like a man in his 30s and 40s.

And he's like a little short. Oh. You know what I mean? like JFK was this like large presence. Okay. And I think Patrick Schwarzenegger's extremely hot, like Slay the House Sandboots, but like he's short. I didn't know that he was short.

I didn't know that was happening. He gives short. I don't even know. He doesn't give short at all. Really? Patrick Schwarzenegger. But yeah, I feel like everyone else looks like exactly their character. Oh, never mind.

He's 6-1. He gives short. And he's just like a nepo casting. Yeah. They would have loved that. But I guess that's like a little weird if it's not like. And JFK Jr. was 6-1. It's kind of the perfect height.

I don't know why he doesn't give big tall energy. In his 30s? No, I feel like he's younger. But he's engaged. He's married. He's married. His age is 32. Oh.

Okay. Suss. It's kind of perfect. Let me see him. Let me find like a new picture of him. Hold on. And they could have, you know, had prosthetics. Yeah.

Okay, he could have done it. And he should have. He could have for sure. Like he could have prosthetics, a little dye, a little something. He definitely was not allowed. Like even if he wasn't even allowed to take the meeting. Maria was like, are you crazy? Damn.

Damn. Are you ready for our next story? Yeah. Trader star Eric Nam gets his revenge against winner Rob Roche in his new music video. Did you see this? I saw that he hired Rob. Rob. Ron.

Ron. Jam Jam, Natalie and Mora are all in Eric's new music video for his new single, How the Fire Started. I obviously did not watch a video, but I saw that, like, a trailer, and I thought it was really, really nice of everyone to participate. Yeah, because you know it's like an on-pay gig. What was the video about? I think he gets his revenge on Robb.

He travels to Rob's rant to write some wrongs after his, I guess he was really wronged by Rob, I didn't think about it. Like, we only think of Mora. He wasn't robbed any more than, like, Lisa or Candice. Yeah, but we talk about Lisa and Candace all the time. Because in the last episode, Mora was so betrayed. We forget about the other betrayal that happened, which was Eric, because Rob had no reason to, like, boot Eric out other than the money because they could have won together as traitors if he stopped the game. I forgot that Eric was a singer.

He didn't sing once. Like, Mark Ballast did a twirl. In musical years. And he got it wrong. Remember? And he said, I'm a musician. I can hear a pig. He was you, Tiffany.

That was so crazy. The beginning of traders was so good. It really was. I forgot that he was a singer. I didn't hear the song or the music video, but like cutesy. I wonder what the genre is. Do you want to listen? Sure.

A little bit? Let me play it on Spotify. And I wonder how this has impacted his musical career because I hadn't heard of him. I mean, we are talking. We are about to play his song on our show. Yeah, but I don't want to get demonetized. No, two seconds. I just want to hear like the.

I feel like it's probably like be paparoo, you know? Oh. Skip forward a little bit. Okay. It sounds like the opener is good. I just want to say, I like the intro. Okay, I'm skipping forward, but I just want to say,

I like the intro. I mean, I love it. It's good. I'm listening on the way home. It's good. Okay, Eric. And my car is connected to my Spotify, so it's going to be playing in my car.

Yeah, that happens to me with the happy song. Oh my God, me too. That fucking song. Every day, I'm like, I wasn't listening to this in the car. Ring, ring on the bicycle, beep, beep, beep, a submarine, Helicopter, a choo, train and Eric,

I'll play a rocket to the sky. If you have a baby and you don't know the happy song, like go save yourself. Treat yourself to a few minutes of peace. But it always plays in the car. Our next story, you're going to love this. Turty's going to love this. What?

Vanderpump Rules producer Alex Baskin's 32 Flavors. His production company is boarding season two of Love Thy Nader. So Love Thy Nader is about to get the Vanderpump Rules treatment. Alex Baskin, who was a producer of Manor Pump Rul's. Kind of a legendary Bravo creator. His company, 32 Flavors, which continues to produce Vanderpump Rules, and Beverly Hills and the Valley,

will now produce the second season alongside Disney and Jimmy Kimmel and Smoking Baby Productions. So he's getting involved. But in fact, about me is that I hosted a panel at BravoCon, and he was on it. And honestly, I don't think I realized to, like, way after how big of a deal he was. It was all about trips that they've taken

And he had produced, he produces all the shows you mentioned, but then also like random seasons of New York. Like Bravo picks him up when they need him. And it's kind of legendary. So I feel like this bodes really well for Love Thy Nader. And while I think this is amazing, give us the fucking second season.

Like enough already. Yeah. And now it's like, what is the second season going to be? Is it even going to be that footage that they teased at the end of the first season? Which is Bezos's wedding, which was so long ago. Do you know what just happened to Brookie?

They should have just like put out the second season and then brought him out for season three. because you're going to have to like rework everything. It's now old and part of the amazing thing about Love Thayator was happening like three months before it came out. And it kind of sounds like they just hired him. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, it doesn't sound good.

Give us the second season of Bezos wedding. Even if it's bad, we'll watch the third season with Alex Baskin. Yeah. Just call it like bonus content or something. Put on YouTube. Like whatever. Some of us are struggling. Yeah.

Some of us miss thy nad. And I do feel like it's actually at this point going to negatively impact ratings. Like it's so long. Yeah. It's kind of like. Jeopardy? No. Making us wait to the point where we don't care?

Not us particularly, but yeah, it's not like boating well. We've had like three seasons of Mormon wives in the time that we've waited for love thy neither. Right. And almost like knowing how fast Tulu can turn things around is making me suss. Like something's up. Yeah. And like what's going on with Mary and Julian? Yeah, they left us on like a cliffhanger.

But it's like that was now two years ago. They moved to the U.K. to you to LA, like. Yeah, and I feel like if when they picked back up. It was actually in the spring. I almost hope they don't answer those questions, because that means we're watching old shit. Yeah, but that was in the spring.

Like, it was, they had Easter. So it's like June. Sorry, the Mormon wives have like literally turned everyone on their asses. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I'm doing it. I'm starting on Love Island.

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Kardashian appears in the documentary, revealing to viewers that she felt a responsibility to cover up for his drug use and protect him during their marriage. It is called the death and life of Lamar Odom. It premieres on Netflix March 31st. This is so crazy. I feel like even though the Kardashians, like they've had Lamar back on, they talk openly about Lamar. I don't feel like Chloe's ever really sat down and told the whole story, not even just about his overdose, but like what preceded that their marriage. Their marriage. She hasn't. She really hasn't. She eludes a lot to like a very dark time when Rob was living in the house and I think that like the Mars addiction might have affected Rob and like he got robbed. Like we never really found out. But a lot of why Rob is

MIA and off camera and out of the public eyes because of that time like was really damaging for him. And I think Chloe feels like a huge responsibility. So we know like based on very limited like contextualized things. But we've never sat down and gotten the fall. I think they've talked a lot about the actual overdose and how Chloe was here. And she flew there. He was dead. He came and said goodbye. But nothing really during the marriage other than that it was a dark. time and now we know that there was drug use because there was drug use after, but she talks about how, like, he would escape from rehab and go on a drug bender and no one could find him. And, like, that was their marriage, which we don't know that. And I'm sure, like, she was never going to

tell the whole world that, but now he's doing a documentary about himself. I'm sure he, and now he's an open book. So, I guess, as much as she wants to share, because she's also entitled to her privacy from that time. I'm surprised she even sat down. I am and I'm not. I don't know how you could do a documentary on Lamar without her. Yeah, and I think that she really wants what's best for him. You could, but you'd be missing a big piece. I think, like, she wants him to survive and thrive on his own. So, like, however she can help, she will. But this does seem like a big burden for her to take on because I think she's, like, so traumatized by that period in her life. It might be healing for her to share it. Well, she also recently started therapy. Like, she's talked about

that on Kardashian. So, like, maybe this is a part of her journey. You know, and there's worse places to tell your story than Netflix. Like, you know, and I feel like they'll do it. with respect and dignity. And Untold is like a really critically acclaimed series. I'm critics. No, people love it. It's done really well. So I don't think it's like a tacky,

Eacher Hollywood Story type of vibe. No, it's not. It's a good place to go when you want, like I mean, if you have the opportunity because they don't focus on that many people. And I think what's going to be interesting about this, at least for me, is like the focus that they'll have on his sport aptitude because I just think of Lamar as like Chloe and Lamar.

He's a legend. But before that. But he's like a legendary Laker. He was like Kobe's number one guy. His talent is. amazing. I think they talk about six man. I think they talk about in the documentary that the Lakers were like making special rules for him because like he was you know on drugs and playing basketball and I imagine they take drug tests but they like let him. That doesn't like look good for

the Lakers. That's what it's that's what the trailer seemed to be like they I don't know if they're saying they let him play on drugs but they had I think they let him get away with a lot. Oh my God. Speaking of the NBA, I saw something on TikTok this morning like drama that's happening in Houston. Houston. So Houston, they're having like a themed, we have a game coming up and they're having a theme. It's called the Magic City Night or whatever. And it's like honoring a local institution. Magic City, it's like a famous place in Houston.

And it's a strip club. Oh. And so one of the players wrote a substack being like I, I'm just like writing this essay to like urge the NBA and Houston to cancel this event. Like spotlighting an industry where like he really was like very woke like where so many women get abused and it's supposed to be like family friendly entertainment. And it's kind of, I saw it on TikTok. People are having, like, lots of debates about whether the NBA should be, like, having a night sort of. Celebrate the strip club.

Yeah, which, like, I think just baseline, like, basketball's marketed as, like, a family-friendly event and, like, a lot of kids go. And so, like, for that reason, it shouldn't. But he went, like, really deep on the lore of, like, abuse, the history of abuse in the sexual industry. Yeah. It was so crazy. That is crazy.

I think they're also playing the Orlando Magic that night. So it was, like, the magic theme. Yeah, I don't know. It was weird. I thought it was. It's so crazy. What if you had a magician come? I know this guy.

The dinner party magician? No, he puts kids on his face. And he's an amazing magician. Steve Max. Steve Max. Yeah. I actually think he broke his jaw. Yeah, he was doing a lot.

He was crazy. If you were on like the New England summer. We saw a magic show a couple weeks ago and it was just like, you know, a small magic show. A local guy. But there's really good magic out there. If you were on the New England summer camp circuit in like the early 2000s, then you know Steve Max. he would come to everyone's summer camp.

Put it on your face. And his thing was that he would take a lawn chair and put a kid on the lawn chair. Like I always picked the tiniest kid, which is still impressive. Sorry, I wasn't like knocking him. And he picked up the chair and he would balance the chair

and the child on his jaw. I heard he retired because he like shattered his jaw from years of hard work and making kids laugh. But that was a great time. Also to say like there are other things that you could do if you want to celebrate magic. Oh, you know what's cute?

the Orlando magic that's like Disney's. Yeah, oh cute. I never put that together. You guys, we are planning a trip to Disney. It seems as though Disney's in our future. And the one spearheading, the campaign... And this is always how it happens for us. It's like, we have a Disney inch and then we just like go to Disney.

And I guess it's one of the beauties of being in Florida. Yeah, and like being here, Ben is like, we are going to go home soon. I meant to tell everyone that. Like, our time is coming. So Ben is like, we can't have been here for so long and never have been to Disney. And Ben is just sort of wanted to become a parent so he could go to Disney. he made me go as like two like childless adults a few years ago and it was one the worst experience of my life um and so i i agree that we should go we're here and i also i need you to

go because i need to know what you think about it like i need to experience it with you yeah i can't tell if you are going to love it or hate it i could see like really liking a lot of elements of it but like not loving a lot of the physical elements like i see being so tired after that's not so bad and you have you're strong i know but like i'm i'm i'm I'm physically strong, mentally weak. Like, I could just see it being like, I don't want to go. But I'm going. And I told Ben, like, if you want it, like, you have to book it.

Like, I'm not putting all the work, like finding. Our Disney committee is Ben, Olivia, and my husband, you know, he loves. They should serve a group chat. He said, Disney, when? So it's just about, like, finding the right time, but, like, we're going. We're going. Disney. Disney.

Imagine I come back, like, a full-blown Disney adult. Well, it will. And then I become one of those people who, like, moves to Florida, like, so they could be near. But I would move to, like, Orlando. I know you get much better ticket prices as a Florida resident. So you'll just have to be buying the tickets, yeah. Yeah, no, but if you move to, like, you go cheaper. If you love it, it's a reason to move to the state.

I don't know. Well, some people deal. I see people on TikTok who are, like, Orlando influencers, and they literally moved from, like, Scottsdale to be near Disney. And they, like, when they need to go for a walk, they go to Disney Park. Once you go there, you're not going to want to do that. But you might have an understanding of, like, it's the world's best playground. Like, imagine you could live for your kids.

But, like, they go without their kids. Like, they drop their kids off at school. And she's like, I need to go for a walk. So I'll go to Epcot. It's walkable. That's insane. Like, that's, no, I'm not saying I would ever do that, but like, it's the world's most amazing playground.

Like, if you could live near it, it's kind of a sleigh. We're going. We are going. We're vlogging. Of course. Whenever. We need to bring a camera crew. Where's Alex Baskin when you need it?

Yeah. We need a crew. Yeah. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? It's more content news. I don't really know what it means. Squid Game, the VIP Challenge season one is set at Netflix with a celebrity cast. So it's...

Oh. Oh, okay, because I was shocked when you chose this. Celebrity Squid Games. Oh, okay. Here are some of the cast members. I don't think of like Squid Games has been beaten to a pulp. Like Mr. Beast, like, he has his own show, but it's like Beast. So one thing about me, I never watched Squid Games.

I don't know what it's about except that. Remember earlier in the week? I don't know if it's a reality show or a scripted show. Remember earlier in the week when we said there are miniseries that like get a second season and they should have been given the miniseries treatment. Squid Games. That first season of Squid Games. You know what else?

too hot to handle on Netflix. Once it was like... Okay, but I'm not talking about reality shows. Is Squee Games reality? No, it's a scripted show. And the first season is one of the best seasons of television. It's insane.

Like, it was amazing. I know they did a second season. I never watched it. I mean, when it's the biggest show, and it was the biggest show in the world. Like, how do you not? But it really, it shouldn't have it. And now, yes, you're right,

they did a reality show and Mr. Beast. And so I guess they're doing a reality show, Celebrity. Mr. Beast is a reality version of Squid games? Mr. Beast has a show on Prime called Beast Games. That I know. And I think it's like an interpolation.

Okay. Okay. Of this. Well, now they're doing Squid Games like celebrity. Okay, who's on it? Spice Girls. Wait, sorry, let me tell you, can I tell you what the Squid Games are? Okay.

So in Korea, they like... If you must. It's like this underground ring where like these people come and they like find people who are down on their luck, like financially. The guy that they chose had like a gambling addict and was like in really bad debt. and they give them an opportunity to win a million dollars if they come to this game. But it's not real.

No, no, it's a scripted show. Okay. And so we follow all these people. They like come to this facility and it's exciting until they realize it's like hunger games. Like they fight to the death. There are all these challenges until one person's standing.

You either die or win a million dollars. But the pot keeps growing with however many people die. And if you kill someone it adds money to the pot, it's like kind of like traitors. Like until there's one person standing. Okay. Should I watch it? It's very good, honestly.

Oh, okay. It's dubbed. You know like an heiress? It's like a different language, but then they have the... I don't mind dubbed. It wasn't annoying. So here's who's on this celebrity version of Squid Games, which is a reality show and no one's actually dying.

On Netflix? On Netflix. On Netflix. Spice Girl Star Melby. Oh. Dylan Efron, of course, he never misses an opportunity to be on TV. He really should go out a winner. Like, he's going to become like, you know what I mean?

Like, he did Dancing with the Stars and he did Traders. Like, the two biggest shows. of this elk and he came out beloved both times like he should just take the w and go no but like at this point being on ensemble shows is his career yeah like how did he even get on the first one nepo but that was the best thing that ever happened to him yeah tristan thompson thompson why wasn't he on that kevin jonas show i don't think there was enough episodes i think it's still on that would mean zach had to do it what's the kevin no no no no no the kevin and frankie jonas show where like all these celebrity

offspring, siblings, what's it called? Claim to fame, live in a house together and they have to guess like who they're related to. I feel like Dylan would have been a good one. People like that show. No, it's like popular. Tristan Thompson. Kim Zolsiak.

Queen. Hannah Goodwin from The Bachelor. Exciting. Yeah. She hasn't been back on TV since The Bachelor. Yeah, I'm shocked. I'm surprised that this is what she wants to do. Ryan Sirhant.

Okay. What? And Viper, who is a squid. Oh, and Viper, a Squid Game, the Challenge alum, voted in my fans. So, yeah, there was like another, probably Normie version. Um, British. So, yeah, that's. This is crazy.

And then Christy Sarah, who's a content creator. Do you know her? I don't. But I endorse the content creator. This type of show is like really huge right now. I don't know if you saw House of Villains on Peacock. I've heard of it. Oh, my God.

I saw the funniest clip. Like whoever works at Peacock fucking hates Tom Sandoval. Tom Zandoval's on it. And I guess the premise of the show is like you were a villain on your own show. And now we're going to put you all in a house for like a show of just villains. So his car pulls up to the house and he gets out. But they had his mic on the whole time. So you hear him in the car practicing what he's going to say when he gets out, which is,

House of villains. I guess it's come to this. So you hear him in the car being like, I guess it's come to this. I guess it's come to this. Wait, why would he be practicing in the car? He's a loser. That's insane. I know.

And then like you hear it three times and then you see him do it like flawlessly. That's kind of mean. It was kind of mean. It's mean that they showed it but like that's crazy that he was rehearsing that. I appreciate that he takes his job seriously. Yeah.

And then I think he was the first person eliminated because I saw him on Watch Shop and Live like talking about his time on the show. I'm like it just premiered. But maybe that doesn't mean he's eliminated. No, it doesn't. Maybe he's just promoting. Yeah. I saw the clip that you were talking about of the twink at a redhead coming for a man

Francis and then he was like, I don't even watch a show. I don't know why I said that. It was so funny. It was really funny. So Squid Game VIP Challenge. Like, if that sounds good, that's good. I'm surprised at a lot of the casting on there. It's actually pretty high caliber.

So if that sounds good, that's good. I don't know what else. And with that, I guess, we'll leave you. Those poignant words. Like we said, today's themes are very much like well-read maturation. So it makes sense that we would. sort of end the episode in that beautiful tagline. A poetic note.

What do you think Hallie Glassman's tagline is going to be? Oh, wait. I have to do my summer house recap. Oh, sorry. Okay. Kelly Glassman's tagline, though. Great question. Hashtag Glassman plastic surgery.

Need a necklift? Hashtag Glassman's Plastic Surgery. Oh, wait. I have it. I have it. I don't uplift. I necklift. I love that.

That's like really good. Mean, but she does plastic surgery. Yeah. She's like a bully who all. But she, oh, sorry. She doesn't do plastic surgery. Her dad. does. So she does PR? And that's how she met John Gosselin. He came in to get, I think, like, his ex-wife, a tummy-tuck, and ended up leaving with the doctor's daughter.

But she does PR for Glassman's? That I don't know. In the articles, they said she's like PR-Maven. Yeah. She gives like Lizzie Grubman energy. That's a really big compliment. Really? Lizzie Grubman drove her suburban into a club in the Hamptons and almost killed like 100 people and like literally left people paralyzed. But she's like the best publicist to ever do it, right? No, she's not. Her dad is the best lawyer to ever do it. That's why she's like a Nepo baby. Like she was like a ditsy socialite who literally got drunk when I in the Hemptons and drove her car into a club full of people.

I thought she was also like an acclaimed publicist. No, I think she became like a late in life publicist because like what do you do, you know, after you've sort of like almost killed like a hundred people? PR. Correct. Well, do you have a tagline for Ms. Glassman? It's hard because we don't know a lot about her. Right. because again she's just like my hater um i don't i'm sorry i don't have it yours was really good

thank you so much let's talk about summer house tell me what happened let's talk about summer house so darrah's here darrah's chilling so everyone's like the single guys are excited about darrow mostly kj and australian bachelor ben but she's into kj which is interesting because he's like younger and everyone like adores ben but she said she just didn't feel a spark with him which i'm glad because like Bailey i'm really like feeling fond of bailey she's like showing us more she the brunette or the blonde The blonde. Levi, the brunette is like barely on the show. She's there this weekend. She's like Bailey from last year. Yeah. She's like, I think there to support. And I think we get some confessionals from her, but like Bailey is the full-time cast member. I read on Twitter people are

like loving Bailey. I wanted to know what the temperatures was about her because I imagine people are really like her. Because she's like very honest and vulnerable. And she's like, you know, her thing is like she's kind of like, you know, a weirdo and she doesn't have confidence. But like, it's translating. And I guess she was like in a relationship before that like really rocks her confidence so she like doesn't even know how to like flirt anymore and she was like I'm gonna try and flirt with West and she's like talking to him and it was just really funny like she did a terrible job but it was genuinely enjoyable to watch and she wasn't even like she'd never feeling so she doesn't like trying to her but she's just like trying to her but she does like think Ben is really cute and doesn't know how to go about it so I'm glad that like Ben and Darry I'm glad people in the house are like mingling and then speaking of mingling so like the core drama is that Jesse like asked West if he could like make out with Sierra and that got back to Sierra and she was so offended. And she was right because she was like, her and Jessie are like best friends.

If he wants something a little bit more with her, first of all, if you talk about it first. Like the only person he should be asking for permission to kiss is her. And second of all, like if you like her like that, like you should be asking for permission to take her on a date, not kiss her.

Like what? And what? Because it's like a joke. Like, oh no, if we made out it wouldn't be a big deal. But so what, I'm like a joke to you? She was like everyone in this house like knows I want a boyfriend

and that I'm more traditional. Like why would you hear all that and then think, oh, like, let's make out for fun. And in the context of Lexi, it's insane. Yeah. Yeah. But it's like, it was so apt because she was like, I hate how Jesse moves like without intention. And then he when she like confronts him about it, he's like, I guess I didn't think about like what my intentions were. And like that's literally the problem.

And that's why I said like two seasons ago on Southern Charm, Austin said like he's been doing therapy and now he's dating with intention. Like, yeah, you don't just like make out with someone who's like looking or if it's your friend. Yeah. And then what's next? You have to have a plan for things. You can't just, like, go about your life like that. And what really bothers me about Jesse is he's always saying he's looking for a relationship. And that, like, and he's not.

And it's like, if you're looking for a relationship, why would you just make out with your best friend? And if you do want to make out with your best friend and you guys have an amazing friendship and you're attracted to her, obviously, like, why not something more serious? Like, why does your head not go there? So he's really frustrating. And I feel like a lot of the frustrations that we had with him last season. And this is what, like, Lexi was frustrated with him about. like if you want to be my boyfriend, you have to be more serious as an individual. Yeah.

Is now coming up this season, which it's like better late than never. But like you can't just be such an unsurious individual. Like these are people's feelings. And it's like not cute. No, it's not cute at all. I think he thinks it's cute. No. And when Sierra and him were talking like he was, he was in trouble.

Like and I was like glad it was like awkward because how why are you being so foolish? Yeah. So I was glad that she let him know and isn't going to put up with that. And it was sad because she was like, why do people? just look at me and like not take me seriously in a relationship. They see me as like this sexual object. And I'm like, it's not people. It's this house.

Bravo guys. Right. No, no. And it's like, it's Austin, West and Jesse. That must be frustrating now for like multiple times in a row for it to have happened. But like what's the common denominator here? It's like, duches from reality TV. Like there are men outside who like would like respect you.

Yeah. So like we're looking. Just sort of fishing in the wrong pond. You're fishing in the wrong pond. There are people who are looking for real things and the common denominator is there are all the same guy. Yeah. Like literally like different hair stuff. style,

same guy. Yeah, just like reality TV man children who are in no position to get serious. What about Kyle and Amanda? Kyle and Amanda

were stable this episode. It was not about Kyle and Amanda and that was good. Amanda's... I wanted to say one more thing. What? Something that's like sneaking up.

So soft bar? You think it's great? No, so in the episode he's like getting the... He's doing the reno on top bar and he said we're going to open in five weeks. So I was like,

oh, that means they're open now. They are. So I went to their Instagram. Yeah. And I feel like they have something going. Okay. Like they do a lot of collabs with, like, wellness brands. They use the space for like, um.

I see people on TikTok go. And they have a coffee bar and they do the running club and everything. Like they have like soft run. You know, they have a lot of going. Okay. And I feel like they might get it going. No, by the way, it's been going now for a while. Not just that it's up and running, but like I feel like he might have something.

Like he's onto something with the idea. He might be. And I'm ready to eat my words. Wow. But like, or at least the way it looks on social, like it looks pretty legit. And that there is a, there is a space for this. Right, right. Wellness.

You know, it's a physical location where wellness brands can activate. I can't believe those are real words, but they are. They do collaborations. And it's a physical space where wellness brands can activate. That's beautiful. We didn't see it that way before. No. It's also not like how it was sold.

Just saying. Yeah. Yeah. So I think he's got something off the ground. And I also think in the season, it looks like in the trailer, Bailey and Carl Kiss. And I actually think they might be well-suited because she is like very awkward. And she's not shy, but she's lacking confidence right now.

And she's kind of quirky. And I feel like Carl's the exact same lacking confidence right now. Like kind of quirky, not shy, but lacking confidence right now. I want to talk about Amanda because I'm not like actively watching the show. I keep up like through clips and through you and I watch the first couple of episodes. And I will let you know, like when we get to a point where you need to be watching. Right now you don't. But it seems like it's so interesting.

There's like a trajectory on. Oh, and it's so funny. You know, the cut wrote an article. I actually want to find it. It was a good article. Hold on. It was called I Love My Husband Who Hates Me. Oh, I didn't see that.

Oh, you didn't? And it talks about this sort of relationship. And they did reference Kyle and Amanda. Oh, fucking subscriber. Like, God, the Cut writes one good article. Like, fuck off. I can't read it. It was, I love my husband who hates me.

So nothing inspires rage like a woman who defends her partner's bad behavior. And then an writer from The Cut reports on the phenomenon. And they had referenced a couple of people, Kyle and Amanda being one of them. And it's interesting. And I loop like Ariane Maddox into that where it's like Ariana Maddo. It's different because like Ariana Maddox ended up being like a victim in her situation. And so like when she was the victim and then got like all these opportunities and brand deals, there is this sort of like Bravo template that I feel like Ariana started. Where like you're like a woman scorned and then you get, you know, magazine covers and opportunities and you actually leave your show because you're so.

And I feel like you got like a ton of brand deals. She was in that Dura Cell commercial, right? Remember? Uber Eats. Yeah. And now I feel like every time Amanda's on my Instagram, she's like doing an interview, doing a brand deal. It's like a million ads.

She's like the face of Tropicana. I don't know you saw that. And it's like this sort of Arianematics template. And I feel like it's not the same because like, yeah, we knew Tom Sandoval was the worst. Like she really loved him. And then she ended up being wrong. So it's like, yes, she needs to be like with him not even being the worst. Like actually at the end of his terrible person.

personality actually had nothing to do with it at the end. Right, right. But she was doing this interview yesterday and she's been like collabing all the posts. So I saw like her interview with glamour being like, I love Kyle. Like stop being mean to him. Like telling the fans to like lay off. So it's like, okay. You know? Yeah. Well, yeah. It's not an Ariana in time situation. Like their relationship petered out. Yeah. But this sort of like catapulting of the woman's career after the breakup, that's where it's like the Ariana Maddox pathway. Right. And also it's like, why can't we catapole women in relationships? No, it's so true. That's so funny.

Like, why do you have to be, like, single and scorned or not scorned? To be successful. Like, why weren't brands clamoring from Amanda before? She's the same person. Yeah. I really want to bring up this article. It's, like, pissing me off. It was a really good.

I forget who, like, who else they, um, reference. Yeah, it's like, you're only interesting to people if you're single. I don't like that. Because that's, it feels like that's what they're saying about Amanda. And she's also saying, like, Kyle did nothing wrong. Like, don't be into him. Um, so I don't know why she would have, like, more opportunity. now and what Tropicana cares if she's single or married?

Yeah, hold on. I think I found the article. I'm so interesting. Like, I read articles. I actually read the headline and somebody did a TikTok like wrapping it up, you know. Oh, oh, I'm sorry. Do you want to find the TikTok? Nothing inspires rage like a woman who defends her partner's bad behavior.

I found it. Yeah. Oh, and it was talking about Kristen Bell and Dax Shepard. Because, like, he goes on their podcast and says like kind of weird things that he does in the context of their relationship and she's always having to come on the podcast and be like, no, like it's funny. Like, I like it. Kyle and Amanda were referenced.

And then it's like how people make TikToks. Okay, so I saw this TikTok and it was like, come with me to return some clothes that like, you know, come with me to return some clothes because my husband like didn't want me like spending all the money on them. And it's like people make these TikToks about the terrible things that their husbands do. And then in the comments are like, nobody's like a great guy. And like you guys don't understand. It's like, well, stop bringing that to us.

And it's kind of like what Kyle and Amanda. It's like we watch this sort of train wreck of a relationship. But I think people got really emotionally invested in it. And then it's like over And she's like guys he's the best Like don't be mad at him We're like okay You know what I kind of prefer that

Than like the dragging To the other one where it's like Yeah he's terrible It's like but wait you were with him For so long And he's been this person He's been consistent In the way that he is

I prefer I'm glad that she's defending him They reference Tom and Katie Tom Schwartz Dumbing and drink on his literal wife And calling her a fucking bitch I can't believe we all just watched I know so like in hindsight Yeah

Well I was young so like I feel like But like you don't But like the executives who like, where were people? Yeah. That's insane. Yeah. So it's this weird thing of like broadcasting like the terrible nature of your relationship.

And like we all get emotionally invested and it's like, but he's the best. It's like, okay. Yeah. No, there's a lot of different iterations. I feel like every couple that you just mentioned is so different. So I can't like just say blanket statement, you should do this or you should do that. I do feel like with Kyle and Amanda, they are who they are. He didn't do any.

Aside from like, you know, the DJing and the staying out late, which is what he was doing before they got married. He didn't do anything new. Mm-hmm. So, like, I actually appreciate her defending him. Yeah. It is annoying when somebody then, like, goes on a podcast and, like, says the worst things that their husband did. It's like, girl, that was your husband. No, and it's like, he was doing that. You were there for that. Like, and now you want

to flip, but, like, it was great at the time and now it's bad now. I just feel like it's convenient. Yeah. And if you ever loved this person, like, you should have their back a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As opposed to, like, like we said, New Year's Day, like, this is the closest person in the world to you and now they're a stranger and beyond being a stranger like you're now they're what's the word you're their op their op okay up okay besty yeah say less besty say less about your up besty she's so young so yeah i i would need to sit down with about each couple because i don't think you can put them all together now please send me the tic-tok that really compelled you about this article

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