The Toast - Sinister Guys with Mormon Wives: Monday, September 14th, 2026

Episode Date: September 14, 2026

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It's Jackson, Claude and neighbor show the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off, swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy Monday. Hope everybody had a wonderful weekend, whether you were celebrating the holiday or not, whether you were hanging out with Alex Earl or not. Like, not a big deal.

Yeah, I did both of those things. Hey, Jax, how you derr? I'm darned good coming off the holiday weekend, which was fulfilling by exhausting. Let me tell you. Exhausting. I have so much PFFB to share. This has been the busiest weekend of my life. And it started right after the toast.

Like I would have had so much to say about my day on Friday. And then we had the holiday. I watched The Secret Lives of Mormon Wise. Of course. I hung out with Alex Earl at a star-studded wedding last night. Like I have so much to share. I think we should just go chronologically. Okay.

What happened on Friday? So I told you guys I was going down to the World Trade Center on 9-11. I actually went across the street. It was not like in. I thought I went to the wrong building. Whatever. I don't know if you know about this thing called Charity Day for, you know Canter Fitzgerald.

I know Canter Fitzgerald and I know their story on 9-11. Yeah, they were like, I think one of the companies that lost the most employees, like a couple hundred. And what they ended up doing was like rebuilding their whole company and like creating this huge fund for the families. Like still to this day, like anyone of their employees family members are covered by their insurance and they got like millions of dollars. It's like an amazing. And they do this thing called Charity Day every year where it's, I don't know what they do for it.

Like it's like a financial services form, like day traders and stuff. I thought it was a law firm, but no, no. It's like, it was like Wolf of Wall Street, like day trading. And every 9-11, they give back to like a million organizations. All these organizations can sign up to have like celebrity ambassadors come and do like day trades at the office and like a portion of the proceeds. And it's turned into like this like obviously amazing millions of dollars donated every year. But also like star-studded affair. I think a lot of celebrities like want to be a part of it.

And I was asked to be a part of it for Big Vision, which is like a New York City based organization started by my friend Beatrice, which does like a bunch of work in the sober. community in New York City. And so we went to like raise money. And okay, like obviously I was there for charity and it was like amazing 9-11. But like my head was on a swivel. I was being, I was technically like one of the celebrities, but I wasn't. Like I was like literally being a like rat like running around looking for everyone. It was like true A list. Alex Earl was there, but I did miss her. It was fine because we hung out on Sunday. It's fine. You caught up later in the weekend. Correct. Correct. Carl Anthony Towns. Ben was with me. He was freaking. O'G. Anobie was there. All the Knicks were there. Except I don't think I, I don't know if Jail

Bronson was there. All these athletes, a couple of people who I had no idea who they were, but like everyone was freaking Shaq was there. Biola Davis was there. Like, it was sick. And I like was day trading. And there was, by the way, like every, there were so many swirlies, like the finance swirlies.

They found me. So how do you day trade? It's a good question. So basically how I understood it to be was that you stand in front of this huge monitor, like this huge monitor. And you trade. Like you have phones. And they're not like phone phones.

Or like, you call them in. Yes, it was kind of like old school. So you'll talk to a broker. So when they had a trade, they would like call a celebrity over. It's like, I took this trade. Oh my, this guy. I don't know. I assumed like a lot of the guys I was speaking to, like had no idea who I was.

Sometimes they were hoping to get like, you know, Tiger Woods and they got Turney Lou. And the same but different. This guy picked up the phone and he was selling like two million shares of like Nike or whatever. I was like, okay. He was like, what do you think Heli Glassman would think of that? And I was like, now you bring out my op. I was like, who is this? I was like, how do you know that?

It was seriously so funny. Half the people had no idea who I was, but like the swirlies, I got a female day trader. Like, thank God she was so like normal and excited in 23. It was really fun. Honestly, like I kind of got the bug. I was like, okay, let's day trade. Yeah, I get a big screen, two computers in your house. A lot of them were using like standing desks though.

And I do draw the line in a standing desk. Oh, no. Yeah. And then I got to like some of the government subsidies one. And that one was like so boring. And I had no idea what they were saying. and I was like actually afraid I was going to mess it up. So I was just like, I was trying to like bring personality because it was like a fun.

But for that one, I was just like being like, yes, okay, three shares. Have a good day, sir. Yes, three shares. I really don't even know what like what this is. I still don't really understand like at a baseline level what they do every day. Yeah. But I know they make a lot of money for their clients. Oh, and I was asking questions.

I understand buying and selling stocks pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what I was doing. But it's called day trading. Yeah, because they, look, we were trading Nike and Starbucks. I had heard of some of the companies. Yes, when the market was open.

But then, like, when I got to the government one, we were selling, like, bonds, and that's genuinely where they lost me. Like, okay. And he was like, it's V3 bonds, or should we get V2? I'm like, sir, I have no idea what you're talking about. What are T bills? I didn't get there.

Mr. Wonderful says you should buy T bills. Did he? I saw it in a real. Should we? I saw it in a real. How old was the real? Like, is it current financial advice, or are you giving like? Oh, it sounded like,

eternal financial. It sounded like it's the point of it. It's not that it's like the buzzy new thing. It's like that's what you should do. Oh, I feel like that's a treasury. Treasury bill? Like T. Because they always say like treasuries

and don't take this as official like Jim Kramer advice. Even though this is Jim Kramer advice because it's bad. And like he's known for being like historically wrong about everything financial. But they do say that like treasury bonds are like safe like forever. But seriously don't don't listen to me. Next thing you know, headline is treasury bonds tank.

Yeah. So short, um, so short, it was really fun. I had a really good time. Like, I hoped to be invited again next year. It's apparently like an honor to even be accepted as one of the celebrities. Yeah. In case anybody was questioning whether or not I was a celebrity, because I do question that all the time. I am, like officially confirmed.

I got to go to Canada for Shelfth. Like, it was a really big deal. Yeah. And there wasn't like a million influencers. Like, I feel like I was representing the digital space like me and Alex. And I saw Jason Tartick. Brooks Nader. She's a model.

Jason Tartick, too. Like we were the digital crew. Okay. Well, he's like a finance guy. Okay. So yeah, we like sort of held it down for the digital community. That's so, that's so great and like such a nice event and a great cause. It really was.

And I liked being like downtown. I felt I obviously got there a little early. So I got a slice of pizza. And I was like at this random pizza place like in the middle of the financial district. You grabbed a slice. Was it been there to see it? He wasn't because he was parking. And he was like, did you get me a slice?

And I was like, no. this pizza place I wouldn't have been surprised if it was there on 9-11 like it was so OG and there was like a bunch of cops because it was also the memorial so there was like fire policemen

everyone was in their like official suits they were walking around and they were like talking to each other oh where were you in the pizza place and I was like I feel like this pizza place like saw stuff on it I should have asked

but like I don't know I just like really liked being like a part of like I was really and I was there and all the guys they were talking to each other they were like old school New Yorkers like I could just tell they had stories but I wasn't gonna ask them

to tell me their stories. So you just eaves dropped. And ate pizza. And they gave me a free garlic knot. Like seriously so sweet. That's so sweet. New York. New York.

That's so sweet. You know how I go down like historical wormholes and like become hyper fixated on like certain historical events. Mm-hmm. Like of course the Titanic. The Russian royal family. The Romanovs, Chernobyl, Queen Victoria, Medici. I feel myself going down a 9-11 one.

That's like such a hard one because it's so recent. I know. I think when you learn about major tragedies, like some of the sadness is like pulled from it because it was so long ago. You know, those people are dead, but like they would have died anyway. Like it's hard.

There are people walking around who's like dads. Like it's a little so fresh to go down a rabbit hole, you know. I know. I'm trying to stop it, but like I can't. And I feel like I'm about to read the only plane in the sky, which is like what everybody's telling me to read. It's like an oral history of the day, like minute by minute, I think.

Well, actually at Canada Fitzgerald, I got a book. Howard Lutnik. Lutnik. His sister, Evie, wrote a book about the families. I have a copy. Maybe I'll give it to you if you want. Oh yeah. No, his story is crazy and so sad. So sad. Um, and I just feel like with these like wormholes, like the only way out is through, you know? I know. I can't just keep watching like reels and little clips. I know. I should just like read the history. I feel like. But then I could see myself like

following up with that with like a war on terror wormhole. That's just a extremely dark. road to go down. So go at your own risk. I know. But you just say can't can't help your curiosities. I do feel like 9-11 was kind of a, I think a nice entry into celebrating Russia Shana, like with just a sense of gratitude. Friday night, Saturday, Sunday was the Jewish New Year. I went to synagogue. I prayed hard. And we ate so much. And I spent time with Satchie. I know like you got to be with the whole family. Like I got to be with Satchie. Also great. Yeah. And it was sad not to be together, but I do, and I'm like very aware, because we explained last week that like the Jewish New Year just started. The first nine days are like a very special important time and you're really supposed to be on your best behavior before, you know, the Lord writes the book of life. Will you be written in? And so even today I was like about to say something really fucking nasty to Ben and I held my tongue to Ben. Yeah, it's going to be hard. To be clear, it was about someone else to. It wasn't like mean to Ben. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, it was actually like a really mean thing. And maybe I would have normally. not even thought about it.

Well, that's good. Yeah, so if today's episode is missing a little bit of the zest, just know, like, I am working actively on getting written into the book of life. So, like, judge me not. Yeah, it's true. The holiday has started. The days have commenced. It ends on Yom Kippur, which is next Monday.

Yeah, so there won't be a show a week from today. Like, and just know, we would rather be live streaming the toast for 24 hours than fasting. You think you're suffering without the toast. We're suffering without food for 25 hours, okay? You know what? The only thing I'm worst thing you know people are making it longer by talking about it all the time and like thinking about it. So we're moving on. I hosted the second night of Rosh Hashanah in my new house, like my first feast in the new house, literally working so hard. We were literally like screwing in light bulbs like as I'm setting the table. Yeah. Um, because finally like the right ones come with the torch end. So I had to glass it up a little bit. Of course, of course. Very beauty in the beast. Yes. Very beauty in the beast. Lots of lanterns. And it was great. I made the J. Coen Brisket, which.

I love to make. It's a timeless recipe. It's a timeless recipe. I always doubt it in the middle. Like when I take it out of the fridge and I'm like, what is this drag? It's kind of like a crazy recipe. You have to trust the process. You do because like an hour before it looks weird. Yeah. And then I like I got a little nervous and I served it whatever carried on. I like forgot to ever taste it until we sat down. I was like, oh, this is really good. Thank God. Yeah, you can trust it. Like we have and we've made it like wrong. We've made it right. And it always turns out good. I just want to say the best time we ever made it was that time that we vlogged it. Logged it.

And we didn't know what we were doing. That was the best it ever went. When we talk about like the great vlogs, obviously like the great chili cookoff comes to mind there a couple. We always forget about the great brisket cookoff and it's one of our best vlogs ever. Yeah, it really is. So it was a beautiful holiday. Olivia hosted first night.

She did an amazing job. Yeah, I missed. Like I had a phone mo. We missed you. I also wasn't on my phone. You guys know I've been like keeping my phone off for Shabbat and I decided to do the whole holiday. So from Friday night to Sunday night, I did not have a phone. Yeah, we missed you on the phone too.

I tried to be on my phone, like, not on Instagram, just on, like, text if needed. Mm-hmm. But, yeah, so it was like a very fulfilling long weekend, though, you know? Lots of, like, cooking. Oh, my God. Then I, like, I, like, promised boys French toast. So I'm like, I just, I felt like I was seriously, like, cooking, like, three meals each day, like, real meals. Right.

Giving 1950s house. Not just, like, whipping something up. I didn't cook one single thing or clean one single dish. I outsourced every meal to my in-laws, like, shout out to them because I really was not in the mood. And it was lovely. It was lovely just to like go and come back. I didn't have that experience, but it was lovely to host.

Have everyone around my new table? The rug did not get stained. Thank God for that. Because I gave the children non-stained food. And then at the end of like what was the longest weekend ever, I also had a wedding. Now, I was actually really excited about this wedding because you guys know I don't like love weddings unless like I love the couple or there's going to be a lot of celebrities there. And last night happened to have been both where like I love the couple and I knew there was going to be a lot of famous people there. So Ben's friend Mario, Carbone of Carbone, Fine Foods, married his longtime girlfriend, Kate Bailey, who we talk about here all the time.

He's like an OG publicist. She's like an OG New York swirl. Like I've known her forever. And it was just like, it was, first of all, I knew, I knew. I had a couple of ideas of who was going to be there, right? Of course, Alex Earl comes to mind. She's her publicist. There was.

And friend. Of course, like a New York Nick or two comes to mind, of course. There were a couple of surprises, you know, Sylvester Stallone. Because I saw this woman. I'm like, oh my God, is that Taylor Swift? Like, seriously, I thought, I actually thought it was Taylor Swift. Turns out it's a Vester Stallone's wife. I didn't even know that she was, like, over here looking like Taylor Swift, like, she's gorgeous.

She's very beautiful. If you want to know what Taylor Swift's going to look like when she's, like, more of a mature woman, she's going to look exactly like that and she's going to be gorgeous. Like, it was insane. I sat next door on the plane once. Did I ever tell you that? Oh, no. Did you think that she looked like Taylor Swift?

No, well, you know what? When I was flying home with Charlie when he was like two weeks old when we came home from New York, like, after Sir Clash Gate. so like I had a two week old amia and I was just like sort of focused on myself. Of course, of course, of course. But I'm not enough to not realize that. So you're still you.

It was sitting right behind me. So there were like lots of celebrities. Obviously I focused more on like the digital crew and they definitely did congregate in a certain area and I was grateful to be there and be a part of it. Remy, my mentee was there who I spent like most of the night with. You know what I've realized recently? Like influencers and like digital people like they really do it for me.

Like more so than like traditional celebrities. I agree. I agree. Me too. Yeah. Like when you're telling me all this tea, I'm like, wait, tell me about the influencers. In a room full of people, I look like, I look for Ashley Dupre Earl, you know? And a room full of people, I look for Paige Paul. Oh, girl, me too.

I did not know she was going to be there. Same with Morgan Stewart. Like, let me tell you. More so than like Jessica Alba. I don't know if she was there, but like. She wasn't. Not that I know. That's the sort of person.

Like people get excited about like an actress or whatever. Like, no, I care about the influencers. Yeah. And it was like kind of influencer heavy. And I said to Remy because Remy's like really close. close with all the urals. I saw her talking to Ashley and TJ and I was like, you have to introduce me to Ashley. And she was like, really? Like, no, no. I was like, you have to introduce me. So I went over and Ashley had, like she recognized. I think she had seen what we had said about her. She was very

gracious, very lovely. She's very beautiful. I feel that the show does not show what she really looks like. She's tiny. She's gorgeous. She's like a very chiseled face. T. J. looks exactly the same. And he didn't say one word. And he was kind of scaring me. I was like, either he doesn't know me and it's just ignoring me or he knows me and hates me. Like he was just like giving like scary. I was like, okay. I feel like he didn't know like who you wear and he just saw you were like a fan. I am a fan.

But like Ashley I think knew the context and she was very grateful and she was so beautiful. Like I really, um, you were taking with her? Okay. Well, I actually put something I really pride myself on is like I can be cool. Like I'm a cool person. Um, I do feel that last night I lost my cool at one point and like I keep, I was telling Jackie on the phone. I keep replaying it in my mind.

Like I actually want to. I want to die. Like I want to die. You're so authentic that you're going to share this. Really? Okay. No, it's like,

it's just not something. It's something someone would feel but like not say. Yes, but I feel that I found the perfect analogy for it. And okay, so I saw Alex out there late and it's crazy. Like she, like wherever she goes,

there was like a light following her. She's seriously so famous. She is so gorgeous. Like you've never seen the body, the face, the hair. Like it was insane. Like I didn't even know she was behind me,

but I could, feel her, you know what I mean? And I'm sitting at this table. It doesn't surprise anyone that like me and Ben ate the entire time. It was a very food focused wedding. This is a man who invented carbone. Like he is a world renowned chef. The food was insane. Like me and Ben just kept making plates like we were eating. And we were sitting at this little table with like a random guy like he was eating too. He was super nice actually. And of course like Ben got his phone number and they're going into business together. But it was like kind of a random crew. And Alex Earl like walked by and we like locked eyes for a second. I wasn't going to bother her. Like I've met her a couple of

times. We're certainly like not friends. But we follow each other on Instagram and like I'm her number one fan obviously. I wasn't going to bother her. And then she like we locked eyes and she kept walking and then she turned around and came over and said hello. And she was like hi. She was seriously so nice that like the analogy I keep saying is because she was just first of all she was standing there like a statue like literally like a marble Italian statue. And I'm like sitting eating obviously. it just felt like a scene in like a 90s like high school set like mean girls literally but she's not a mean girl where like Regina George the coolest girl the head cheerleader comes

over to like sit at the loser table like you know what I mean I because she was like hi and I was like oh my god she's actually talking to me and I was just I feel like the face set I made I was like hi like I just felt like such a loser like and she didn't mean to it's like I'm a projecting because like I am a loser she was couldn't have been nicer something she did no it was just like something about her like I became like a loser and I think that I'm actually inherently like not a loser I'm not um she couldn't have been nicer she was like I've been loving your guys's takes and I was like and I was asking her all about the show and she was just like seriously regal queenie like exactly what you would want your fave to be I like she is wow prior to that

sally had come over um she was like first of all I grabbed my phone when I saw Sally. She came over and she was like, oh my God, you guys are always talking about me and I was like, yes, we have to call Jackie. She was like, call her right now. Jackie didn't pick up. I literally just went, had gone downstairs to take the lid off my loaf in the oven and I come back up and I missed the call. And I sent her like a screenshot of her missed face time with me, Paige Paul. Oh, you can send a video voicemail. Yeah. A video voicemail. Sally wants to chat. Which no one could ever find, but like it is there somewhere and it was Sally and Paige Paul.

And then like we all went to get drinks and like it was just like not like you were no longer a priority but then you call me back and so I I, I, you did get to telecommunicate. To chat with my girls. With Sally. She, they're just like the cool girls that crew. Like you could just feel their energy. Ashton was there with Landon Barker. I don't know if I'm like not supposed to say that.

But like they were out about like they're dating. They're dating. Yeah. But like the earls and the surrounding planets like they have seen our takes. They have seen the Earl Meets World recap on the toes. And I feel good about that, you know? And I don't do it for that reason, but it is always nice when someone saw, like, the nice things you said about them. Todd was there.

And Alyssa? Cute. Yeah, like the whole crew. Alyssa's very gorgeous. They're all. Yeah. It sounds like it was full of gorgeous people. Oh, the whole wedding was full of beautiful people.

Like, it was actually overwhelming to be in the presence. Oh, so Lilliam Michelle. literally she was like walking in one room I was walking out and like obviously like I know her I love her and she did come on the podcast but like she does a lot of stuff and she was like oh my god hi how's your sister and I was like and then she was to introduce to her husband she's like these are the sisters with the podcast and I was like you recognize me she seriously couldn't have been nicer and then walks in Craig caught over and him and Leah know each other of course I was like how do you know each other Craig knows everyone Craig looks really handsome I love that for him yeah and he said he had like a lot to tell me. And then like I kind of never saw him again. And I was like hoping to follow up on on what he had wanted to say. You have to chase down that tea. That's sort of information. Yeah.

Oh, there are performers at this wedding, Benson Boone. My fave. Your fave. Great wedding performer. Yeah, for sure. Perfect choice. Like people young, old, they know him. Yeah. And his music is sort of music you want to buggy to. It was boogie-esque. Did he sing the Alex Earle song?

No. And then she did a lyrical dance, a solo performance. I would have loved that with Mark Valsh Murkowski. Yeah, time of my life. Love that. Maybe. What else can I share before I rap? Because I just sort of at this really important gala that everyone's talking about.

It was beautiful. Bride looked insane, body tea. Do you make any new friends? That's a good question. I actually knew a lot of people there, which was like nice to see. My girl has to meet you. I love her. Love her, friend of the toast.

Do I make any new friends? I hung up with Remy Bader's mom a lot. Like she's an extreme real one, you know? Did I make any new friends? Like, no. I get anyone's like numbers, making any plans. Oh, except the guy that like we were eating with, you know, at the table. He works like, he's like a real business associate of Mr. Carbone.

He does a lot of like the restaurant infrastructure and the construction. I'm cracking up. So if you see Ben, he's very interesting. He's very successful. If you see Ben opening a restaurant soon. It's just because he met the right people at the, wedding. You'll know where that comes from. Yeah, Ben was like chit-chatting it up.

Like he became best friends with Casamichio's husband. They're like texting. That's so cute. I like that for them. Yeah, just like a couple of like influencers like couples. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Well, thanks for sharing. Thanks for the invite. I was like genuinely honored to make the list.

And I hope I didn't say anything like out of touch or out of turn. But like I, it was amazing. Like I only have positive things to say. I'm sorry for blowing up your spot. But like you invite. I didn't wait. Yeah. Yeah, it was amazing. Like, it was, oh, and it was at just a beautiful venue.

It was a beautiful New York City night. Oh. And they had got married already previously, like, in like a very small ceremony in Italy. So this was really just like a party reception. There was not like a speeches. Like it wasn't like, it wasn't formal wedding structure, which was, I like when people switch it up, you know? Yeah.

And that's fun. Yeah, we just got to like eat. The food was so good. I don't know if I've said that three times already. We just got to like eat, drink, sit and chat. Like, it was nice. Yum, you're making me hungry. I'm always hungry, so.

I did something like, so you're going to hate this. What? So, like, I just felt like so adult when I do this now. Like, it's a new thing where I'm able to eat cottage cheese plain. Oh, I could never. Which I've never been. And I happen to like cottage cheese. Like, I like it on noodles and, like, you know, my zesty egg salad.

Like, with your high protein stack. A bunch of other stuff. I've never just, like, sat down with a bowl of cottage cheese. And, like, that's what I did this morning. Like gun to my head I could But I would never choose it I know I know I just feel like it's a sign of maturity Yeah there's no like pineapple people like to do fruit

Cantaloupe I really feel like I'm grown No vessel the cottage cheese was the vessel She cottage cheese stands alone Did you watch full secret lives Mormon wives Of course I did and it got down to the wire a little bit Friday night I was like I don't want to watch it because then I won't have anything to watch Sunday night And then of course I was in a rush but yeah I finished at 11 p.m. last night and that is our first story is recapping.

So many thoughts. So many thoughts. It's going to be hard to give them during the 10 days. But what I want to say is not nasty, you know? No, me neither. Although I do feel that now there are more people on the show that I dislike than I like. And that's annoying.

And also like the plates are shifting a little bit because I would say like two seasons ago, Michaela was my least favorite when she was like just taking Whitney to task. And just being so. Miss. And like the stuff with Whitney when she couldn't let it go. And I would say after this mini season, she's number one or two. Yeah, I think that this show, what I kind of like about it, but what also makes it a little bit inconsistent is that from season to season, I feel so differently about everyone. Like, no, there's no one I've like, except maybe Jesse, because she's

kind of neutral. There's no one I've been like hardcore riding for consistently or hating consistently. Like some, like everybody just like has like a lobotomy between seasons and becomes crazy or normal. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot going on. But I think that's just like the pace of their world, their age, the environment they're in where it really is. They have like every three months. They change people. Labotomy. So let's just dive in because I have so many thoughts. Okay. Without further a do-da-do do, it is time for the fast five stories that Yida-do need to know. And the fast five stories that you need to know are brought to you by honest. Let's talk to the moms for a second or anyone who's ever had to shop for the babies. I swear the baby aisle is one of

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because it ended on it to be continued or if it'll just be season six. Yeah, I think that, oh, I think we'll get a season 5A and B, like before the production pause and after. And when I realized what they were doing, at first I was like, before the production pause, this is going to feel old. But I think that it was really necessary context for everything.

Yes. I have so many leading thoughts. My first thought, I was like, seriously, thank fucking God. that ABC canceled The Bachelorette. Like if I wasted my goddamn time watching that, she's so unsurious. And I can't tell if they're setting up this, with these five episodes to make Taylor look bad or good

because she looked so bad up until the last minute. Like up until the last minute. Seriously, bad decision maker, bad reality star, bad friend, bad everything. And it's like, you know what? It's like you remember what DeMey was saying. It's like, how much like, You're going through a lot for sure, but like, how much rope can we give you? Like, it's like enough already.

And I was so there with Michaela and Macy. It's like, seriously, enough. You're fucking Dakota the night you get back. You're engaged. And you're making light of it. So it's like, oh, you could joke about it, but then nobody else can joke about it. You are seriously making some of the worst decisions a human being could possibly make. And we're all just still supposed to be like championing you and not.

And, you know, Michaela Macy, you're right. She's a terrible friend to everyone. She's not, they are her friend. She is not their friend. Of course. She doesn't have the time, the energy, the, the, thought to even check in on her. She doesn't ever text anyone.

How are you? I didn't even realize like them sending her crumble. Like they're always sending her food and gift cards. Like yeah, like little thoughtful things like that. And they just go so unnoticed. Yeah. And they're all just supposed to be grateful because like she invented this like mom talk scandal and got the show.

But like at one point, what point does your gratitude run out? Yeah. And I think some of the girls are like that where they're like, they don't challenge her and they're a good enough friend to her because it pays well to be her friends. But someone like Macy like deeply cares about. her. I would say Jesse too where it's like it's hurtful to see your friend going through this and it's hurtful to have a friend that you love who doesn't care for you in the same way. So like it's not just business. It's not just show like it is also real friendships, which I think makes it so complex. And I agree.

Like when they when they said it was like five weeks to the production points. I'm like, oh my God. We've been through so much since then. Like I can't believe. Jesse's talking about how she's trying to work it out with Jordan. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I can't believe we're going all the way back, but yeah, we never found out why they really had the pause and how they got there. And there is so much interesting stuff. It was the CPS thing. It was the CPS thing. And there is all the, and it's coming off the heels of like this really bad fight between

the girls. Then they find out that she's like been called, they called CPS on her. And I think the girls are like, of course they want to support Taylor, but on the off chance that the CPS allegation was true, they didn't want to come down on the wrong side of it. Oh, and if on the off chance it was false, they also didn't want to come down on the wrong side of it. No, and it's like at a certain point, like we need to wash our hands of this. Like I do think that the CPS allegation was probably made by like a bad faith actor and like that it wasn't a hundred percent factual.

But it's like at what point do we not want to be a part of this anymore? And that's why Michaela's like I'm team kids. Everybody's like, well, he did this. It's like, cool. Seriously, I don't care anymore. And it's like they are both victims of each other. So it's like I couldn't tell if the season was trying to set it up like the Taylor's going to come back and they're like trying to give her a platform to like rebound with the audience. But like for me at this.

point like I'm so over it and like I did feel bad for her when she broke down but like at some point as a woman of a certain age as a mother like you have got to pick yourself the fuck off and just like it's five years already like it's just she's very very hard to root for yes I didn't feel bad I was mad at her the whole time and I've been very gracious with her like through everything with the bachelorette and everything so I feel like good about how much grace I'm giving her and I did not feel bad for her at all this season. I didn't feel bad for her when she was crying after the after she was so nasty to her friends. Like literally like treating them the way she would treat Dakota in a fight the way she was like barking at them. I wish she would treat Dakota that badly. Right. But that's

obviously like how she gets when she feels a tax. She just like talks back doesn't listen. Nasty, nasty, nasty, nasty. And then when she started crying after like, I still didn't feel feel bad for her because like you are making choices. You choose the same thing over and over again. Watching it's so weird. that she actually had like a really nice, almost perfect guy for her. So we can see how she acts. Ben? Yeah, we can see. It's not even like, oh, she can't find a good guy.

There's no good guys out there. We can see how she treats someone who is good. And it's wrong. No, the fact that she went on The Bachelor. It wasn't until she called Macy and said, I'm not filming because Dakota and his friend have called CBS on me that I felt bad for her. Because it's like, wait, maybe this whole time, it wasn't that she couldn't leave Dakota because she loves him.

Maybe she's skin. of him. Right. Like scared, not in even the physical abuse sense in the blackmail sensing. You know what? She should have been because between CPS and the video, maybe that's why she was,

she never like fully cut him off because she was scared of what he would do more than what he usually does. So maybe, maybe that that's the case. I have not felt that that was the reason why she couldn't quit him. her behavior this season, aside from like every argument she was in, she couldn't have been more wrong, right?

She's taking her anger out on the wrong people. And it's weird that like they all know that Dakota abuses her. And they're like inviting him to the housewarming party. It's like there's literally an abuser in our house. Like call the fucking police. Yeah, well, I think for them and nobody says abuse on the show and toxic cycle.

Toxic cycle. But I think also they like probably thought they beat each other up, you know? Yeah. That they just like do that. And it's like if Taylor is going to go and have sex with Dakota. after this party, why can't we invite him to the party? No, I know. It's just like strange that there's like, they, this, they know this and he's like still there.

There are a lot of like legitimately like really bad people on this show. I think Chase is one of them too. He, I actually, and we said this last time, the men of this show have ruined it so in such a real way. I can't watch certain scenes. Like, Chase is a very, very sinister bad guy. Yeah. And you just know. Let's talk about the fact that he's an alcoholic.

a Coke head. Like we just sort of like threw that under the bus. Drunk driver. Yeah. Yeah. And you know he just like loved driving Taylor away from her friends and like venting about the girls. Yeah.

He is. He's obsessed with the women in a way that's so scary. Yeah. I agree. And this season was focused way less on dad talk. Also I think they got, they understood the backlash. But also there were so much like big storylines going on between like Whitney and Taylor

and everything else that like we didn't need dad talk. And the men. come off so much better. Like even Jordan had a good season. A thousand percent. Jordan had a good season because we didn't see him. He had one scene in the closet. And he was saying normal things. But he's best friends with Dakota. Like he, I also think that Jordan is a deeply, deeply. But he wasn't invited to Dakota's birthday party. So they were like going trouble in paradise. But they like, they like text all the time and he comes over to their house. He's also a scary guy for sure. But I'm just saying when we don't. There are like legitimately three bad like bad guys on this show. They,

they scare me. Oh, we didn't see Jase. I don't have a problem with Jase this season. No, I know. Actually, I saw I'm making some funny TikToks. I love Jace. Yeah. It's just funny.

Like, not only is it the editing, but I do think that these people are like growing up in a very weird fast way. They're also when they first came on the show. We're all very stunted. I think that happens sometimes in Mormon culture when you get married really young and you're not exposed to a lot.

So like the people they are now, like they change so much so quickly that I'm like, yeah, Jayce, that's my motherfucking king right there. Yeah. And I want to say, I don't know if this is like a hot take and I haven't really seen other people's opinions, but like Zach Affleck.

Okay, I'm so done with the Zach Affleck hate. Agreed. He had a bad first two seasons, but I think that like they were all sort of blending the world that they grew up in, which was like very sheltered with this new world. And it took a minute. Okay, so he was bad for sure.

When she's so fucking crazy with her dreams. And the fact that like her dreams don't pan out, like she didn't get the role and she blames her husband for not being supportive. And it's like, you know what? I actually respect him saying, like, if you're going to act and, like, make out with someone in a scene, I'm not comfortable with that because we always talk about how fucking normal that is. Especially, he's, like, very traditional.

He's working through his, like, traditional values. It's like, oh, my God, give the man a break. He's literally been doing everything for the last two years. While you chase these random dreams, now you want to be a singer, but you want it to be a dancer and you also have dreams to be a model. And now an actress, it's like, girl, what are you talking about? Well, she is so off her rocker to the point that I almost feel bad talking about her because something is very wrong there.

Something is not normal for her right now. Her confessionals, the way she's talking to the girls, the way she's just speaking in general, it's giving a bit medicated. The scene between her and Miranda in the studio was some of the weirdest thing I ever saw in my life. My pink back? When she started playing for her,

her self-tape in the bathing suit, it was so, Claudia, was so strange. Something is not right over there. And she keeps trying to test her husband. Yes, she wants to end her marriage, but she doesn't want to be the one to do it. So she thinks that if she pushes him enough. But then she's also pregnant right now is what we know now.

She's so confusing to me. But Claudia, she keeps trying to test him. And he keeps passing every test and almost like makes her mad. So she levels up and she's like, I want to do Sports Illustrated. And he doesn't like that. And then she's like, well, now I want you to become the priesthood. How is he going to go to the bishop and be like, my wife wants to do Sports Illustrated?

It's so contradictory. I feel like he's like navigating her twists and turns as best. as a human could. I seriously think like gold star for Zach Affleck. I agree. He has literally put to side everything that he planned to do with his life in service of her hopes and her dreams. I think he said they moved like nine times in four years.

That's not for him. It's true. And he's just always like with the kids when she's dancing with the stars now she wants to act and sing and build a studio in the house. And it's like, oh my God, how can you keep up? Oh, and I want you to become a priest. Very manic energy. Yeah.

then in her confessional she seems like so zoned out resign so not there and almost like she's phoning it in but not in a way where she because she doesn't want to work but just she's not like capable at the moment of giving more when anytime she argues with someone whether it's her husband or Whitney or when she got involved in that Macy and Michaela she's legitimately like just very consistent in making bad points like she's never once said something that I agree with like with Whitney but I do think Whitney's a difficult person to argue with. She reminds me actually a lot of you where I think she's very direct. She's good with language.

She remembers stuff. So even if she's wrong, which I don't think that she is wrong, she comes off as a winner because she's a good fighter with words. She's very calm. Whereas I get like so emotional. In all of these arguments, there's not really like a right or a wrong person. It's just like let's convey how we feel. I disagree.

Some of them. But most of the time, it's just like perception. Let's convey how we feel. Let's apologize. And let's move forward. It's not like someone was so. clearly right and someone's so clearly wrong. It's just like the way you said something,

it hurt me that way, but you didn't mean it that way. Whatever. But Jen just can't move on from things that Whitney has apologized for. There's nothing there except for jealousy. And even if it wasn't just about dancing with the stars, the way that Jen is moving now with like their hopes and the dreams and the acting and the singing, which is like what Whitney's doing.

It's giving so jealous. I know. And I think the issue with like with Jen is she can't just be happy in mom talk. And I actually think a lot of the girls who are happiest in the situation that they're in, it's just being happy, like being in mom talk, like just being an influencer with the reality show, like, Macy and Michaela, I think that like they're working on their marriages, their kids, their family life while also being like working women, but not needing to go chase things in L.A or New York. I think it actually is best for a lot of the women, especially

someone, you could tell who's up. There are different tiers, right? We've got like Miranda and Lacey, sorry, Miranda and Layla down here. And it's like, I'm sorry, some of their scenes are just And you can tell they want more. I mean, Miranda's singing and Layla's modeling. They want... Oh, the crazy thing is that Miranda released a song before Jen did. Yeah. So there's like, I think tier two wives, which Miranda and Layla are unfortunately a part of.

Then there's sort of like the mid-tier where it's like Jesse... McKaylon Mason. Actually, Jen is bottom tier two. Michaela Macy. And I think they all like sort of like are happy with their Utah lives. Those mid-tier women. Those women, that's where you want to be, by the way. Yes.

To have success, to enjoy it, and have shallom bite. On a cloud nine right now. I don't think like it's perfect. I think that right now it's good. But those sort of situations can lead to like issues at home. So I think like if more of the women were just happy where they were. Taylor and Whitney here and that's where Jen wants to be. Wants to be.

And she's not. No. And every time it fails, I think she blames her husband. And the thing is Zach is the best guy on the show. I'm sorry. And I think his biggest crime like in recent memory is going to be. talk to Whitney. Yes.

But the more I think about it, it's like, that's him being a good husband. That's what his wife wanted. His wife was in a vulnerable spot. He went, I'm sorry, I would send bed to the end of the earth and he would go even if I was wrong. And so the fact that he went,

I actually think it's an even bigger check in his column for being a supportive husband. And all he does is get accused of not being supportive. And I'm so glad he shut down that conversation at that sponsored event at the soda place where he was like, I've been trying to have this conversation with you like for weeks.

And now you want to have it on camera with me holding our baby. Like, seriously, I cannot stand. Jen. And I actually feel bad. She's like very lost. Yeah. And I don't know what she's doing. It's not like reading as copacetic over there.

Like it was, it was concerning to watch. And then when she was arguing with Macy and McAuland, and they were like, you said we were the most supportive and she goes, I said that in the hopes that you would become supportive. I said that because I wanted it to be true. If she had,

that's like the worst argument I've ever heard. That's a crazy. She had a history of saying things in the hopes of one. to be true. Maybe we could establish a pattern. But that was crazy. And also like her going to like support the weakest link Taylor right now. Like, oh, no, I'm sorry. When Taylor pulled up Jen into her corner, I said, oh, you've officially lost the plot. You like, we're not seriously. And she spent the whole conversation trying to find that one TikTok from three years ago. Yeah. No. And like,

Jen is just like she's not in the group. She's just like, she's going on the trip. Like she's not there. She shouldn't even be on the trip. I'm sorry. Her going on the trip. I saw Zach Affleck, like defending her in his comments once again, being a good husband. being like we don't a part of production like you have to go like it wasn't a question so it's like yeah she looked weird but like this is a group trip but like a better thing for her to say I mean she would have to feel this way but like if I was in her position how I would feel is like Whitney I think you and I are going to be friends again one day because I like value our friendship and like we will figure out our issues and we will get there and I don't want to have missed this moment for you right right that

conversation was genuine and then she's making the TikTok by herself when she made the TikTok by herself she's just like desperate to be a victim she is is. And that's what the girls are saying about her. In her marriage, in her work life, in her friend's life. And I think in the past few seasons, she really was the victim. I think when she was like having mental health issues. Yes. And then she got pregnant again. And her marriage like was not suffered. And her husband was not. And the women were so mean to her. She was the victim. And so I was like stop being mean to her. But right now she's not. She got dancing with the stars too. Yes. She is in like a beautiful house with her beautiful family. She just had a baby. Like everything is good

right now. My girl. Yeah. You're not. the victim today. No, and I think the sheer fact that Jen doesn't let Whitney get away with anything after Whitney was there for her in such a real way, like not in a camera, I think in like a real life way with her prenatal depression and all the women were like seriously so mean. It's like the way that Taylor gets a free pass for everything because she has like a toxic relationship should have been what Jen got for having prenatal depression and they were just still so hard on her. Whitney was there for her in such a real way. The fact that Jen just can't, whatever her small, issues are with Wendy. Like you said this to me to get over it. Like seriously, this is a person who

did such a kindness to you and you're like insistent on remembering her by her worst moment. Like that's why I would never want to be friends with her. Yeah. It's because she's constantly seeking victimhood. Yeah, I couldn't be friends with someone like that. The conversation on the stairs was even more upsetting when I remembered that ever was there. Yeah, that he was in the house somewhere and like I would you would hope that and it's Dakota's day clearly. So that's why like he entered with Dakota and probably left with Dakota. But like that's bonus time that you get. And like,

and your mom is acting crazy upstairs. Like that's where I was like with Michaela. Like I actually am no longer concerned in getting down to the bottom of like, who's the abuser and who's, because they're both terrible parents, quite frankly. And like that's all I really care about. Yeah.

No, that was like so odd. Why was he there? They knew it was like going to be the big explosive thing. Like I don't know. when you're going into a party, whether it's going to be like... I don't know. I just, if I were Taylor, I would just be, like, so excited to get some extra hours, like,

with him because, you know, like, brought him to a thing that I'm going to be at. Yeah, even though I think she has majority custody, so, like, she's not lost for time with him. Yeah, but still, like, to not have your child full time is, is, like... It was, I actually commend Macy and Michaela. They handled that crazy bitch and that whole conversation. They were so calm. It was actually crazy to watch her misunderstand them. them in real time.

How did Shania attack you? You just said to me Shania did nothing wrong. Actually, that's quite literally verbatim, not what she said. Yeah. Like it was crazy to watch a crazy person. And it's what's the craziest is like what Cheney did was wrong, but what Dakota did was more wrong. And he's in your bed.

So why can't we move on from Shania? That's the exact thing. It's like we're so mad at Shania. We're mad at Miranda because her friend did something. Which, by the way, what the fuck does Shania O. Taylor? Like seriously, she just having sex with some random guy. but Dakota is standing there in the clear. Yeah.

It was insane. Also, I thought this last season, I can't remember if I said it. And I feel like it's kind of like a crazy thing to say. And obviously this is like I've no proof just like based on vibes. It does feel like there's an element of like drug use in this show somewhere. Because like the very manic mood swings, the violent behavior. Her like drinking from the bathtub. Like that just gives like sort of.

And also I think her relationship with Dakota sometimes feels like, you know, like a toxic sort of like, I don't want to like make allegations, but like sort of like an enabler, like somebody who provides like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, in past seasons, when she's like locked herself in a room for days at a time. Like I don't know why. Like I don't know why. I just feel like, am I the only one who thinks that? I didn't think that. But then I saw like a tweet last night of someone like suggesting that there might be drug use and that would explain like I don't know.

some sweat stains or whatever. Yeah, also her having breast milk on her nipple, like the entire fight was hilarious. It wasn't breast milk, but it was like a stain. It was just distracting. It was funny. It was distracting. So yes, that could be like a piece of the puzzle. Yeah.

I just feel like it might explain a little bit of it. I'm only searching for an explanation because it's very hard to watch someone who's in her 30s, like consistently put her family at risk, put herself at risk. And like he's just a person. person. And when you guys were to- Not even a hot one. And when you guys were together,

you weren't happy anyway. And then also it's like if it is about- Did we forget he fucked your mom's friend? He literally fucked your aunt. Like what are we talking about? It's about like love and being, you know, can't quit him and blah, blah, blah. And he has Evers walk.

Why not just be together? Like, because the thing is they, he keeps hurting her because they're not together. So he goes and does this other stuff. And then she's like, well, now I can never forgive. Like, what if they were just together? And he, obviously, we're past that now, but when I'm watching this, I'm like, you only want to be with each other.

You hurt everyone else around you because you're hurting each other. And if you just want to be together and you can't quit him and he can't quit, you just be together. And like if you want a crazy life, which is what she wants. Now she says she doesn't want to get married. She doesn't want to be in a monogamous relationship. She doesn't want to be with Ben who would give her like that stable. If you want a crazy life, just go be with crazy and stop hurting everybody else. Yeah, although I just don't think that benefits ever. No. And then. in the final scene, I'm like, well, maybe, maybe it wasn't just, like, love, love, love. Like, maybe it was also real fear.

I want to quickly talk about Jesse's face. Yes, I would like to talk about plastic surgery as well. Yeah, it really broke my heart. I feel like what everyone's like coming for Jesse. And it's like, well, obviously she made the wrong choice. She should have stopped messing with her face. But it's like, I feel like that's exactly what happens when you just like keep, I can only imagine the type of like comments.

DMs that they get at this level that they're at from like all these, they have crazy fucking female fans. Like I think that it breaks my heart because if she weren't on this show, like maybe she was someone who was like into plastic surgery before like in a normal way. But it obviously got to a place where she's unhealthy and that her boob is hemorrhaging. Like it was really heartbreaking. She looked bad this season. Yeah, she was still swollen. I do think she's like a little bit back to normal, but she still looks like pretty different than

the girl that we know. And like it actually really upset me. Yeah, it also upsets me. Like it also upsets me. It also upsets me that these girls have had multiple boob jobs in their 20s. Every episode in the beginning it was like, oh, she just did her boobs. And it's people who have done their boobs. And everyone's talking about like Layla's boobs in her confessionals because they're like at

her chin. And you can literally see the silicone implant. I guess it was like very fresh. And they've since like settled, I guess. But that wasn't her first boot job. Last season, Taylor just got her boobs redone before the like, that's major surgery. Jesse had her boobs before. Michaela just said she took her implants out

in the beginning of this season. She was like, I feel so skinny and she looks great. But literally- I was like, Michaela's my queen. She recently dyed her hair darker. And I think she's like really figured out how to manage her chronic illness

when it comes to her skin. I was watching her TikToks last night. She went to Paris with Macy. Like she looks insane. Yeah. And then I started to like feel bad. I guess not about the J. I didn't really feel bad.

I just know she hates us. So that's why I felt bad. Who hates us? Michaela. Oh shit, she does because we made fun of Jace last year. Yeah, and then we made fun of her statement about the cream. Oh. Was that her cream?

Whatever, I just want to say, yeah, I remember. When she said, like, she compared, like, Taylor going back to Dakota to, like, her using cream that makes her sick. But I'm woman enough to admit I stand by everything that I said last year and I stand by everything I say this year. That's what I mean when I say. It feels like people get lobotomies between seasons. She was my queen this year. She's the only one with a backbone. And she's still not backing down.

She's been making TikTok. Like she's not forgiving Taylor Grace. Her rope is up with Taylor. And I actually really appreciate that. It's like, you know what? Demi tried to do it. She was a couple of seasons too early. But I think Michaela should stick to her guns.

And yeah, I stand by what I said last season. Yeah. No, so do I. I was just like, I feel bad. Oh, because she hates us. But you had a great season. Keep going. I don't know about like the Taylor fans

who just like blindly stand her and I'm just going to hate any girls who are against her. I did really appreciate that they brought that up because that has always been an element as to why Taylor gets grace from the group. It's not that they all genuinely feel bad. For I'm sure a lot of them are at home rolling their eyes being like, girl, make better decisions.

The element of her being the most famous one, the most popular one amongst their true fans and the ones who the fans side with, I respected Jessie being like, I also just don't want to take that. Yeah, and it's also... Well, I wish you all had more of a backbone. I respect you even in just admitting

the reason why you're always up her ass. But it's also production favors her, which is just so crazy. Even they gave her that penthouse suite. I doubt all the girls had that. Yes. Now you could say maybe because they knew Ben was coming, so they like, are we going to film in there a lot?

And they needed all that space. But she definitely gets favoritism for production. I would say this season, the way it's being edited and the way they're putting in all those clips of like talking heads and TikToks and stuff, it is not super anti-Taylor. Oh, I didn't think it. I thought it was the first time they were ever a little bit anti-Taylor.

No, it wasn't. I guess we haven't gotten to like Barstoolgate. Also, her ordering all that dessert. and then leaving. People also said maybe like some... That's just something like a true crazy person does. Yeah, that was also one of the clues as to perhaps potential.

And like Macy and Michaela getting like shit on from Taylor being like, you guys think you're also perfect? I just feel like they've recently decided. It feels like in the last like two years. Both of them have like decided to just embrace being in mom talk. They're not going for all the other things that the girls are going for. They're not like, you know, wanting to travel the world and be on Broadway. And they're working through that because they basically had a couple of things with her husband too.

but they've quietly shut that down. They're working on their homes and their marriages and just like being happy with where they're at. And I feel like that like kills Taylor. Like because that's what they all should be doing. Yeah. And that's really what Taylor should be doing. But Taylor doesn't even like pursue those opportunities really.

The only thing she was ever going to do that was bigger than the show was Bacheloret. The Bachelorette. And she didn't even take it seriously. She could care less. Because she didn't need to do anything outside of the show. Like she just was bigger than everyone else. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm curious what. Also any rumors that like they're air. this season of The Bachelor in December. Seriously don't. And I don't know. They're not. They just gave it away. They would never do that.

Not only do they gave it away, they let everyone know. Like if you watch this, you're wasting your time. She chooses the worst guy and she cheats on him the night she gets home. They could have like bleeped out his name. They didn't. Nothing.

They spoiled the whole season. Like they don't care. It's over. Yeah. Thankfully. And also at some points it was like you, Taylor was dreading the bachelor at like so much anxiety because she would have to like answer for her crimes after the fact.

We were talking about how. like the villain of her season probably was so glad that the season was canceled. She might have been a little glad the season was canceled. Yeah, because she couldn't have been serious about it, even a little bit. But even any Bachelor Nation backlash would never, would not have been as bad as what happened. What happened? Yeah. So I don't know what comes for the next.

I am expecting five post-production pause episodes. And I would like that. But who knows? And they need to decide, I think, like definitively, if they're going to like let Taylor back on the show. Like Dakota is not a cast member. He doesn't make money. He doesn't get to film. I think that like continuing to involve him even more like enabled him and empowered him. And they also gave him money that he didn't have before. If she's going to be back on the show, like he sort of has to be off of it completely. Yeah. Well, I think they also have like restraining

orders against each other at this point. So that it would actually have to be. And while they're firing him, get rid of Jordan and Chase too. I never want to see them again. I do think that the show whenever the next half comes out and then the season after will rehabilitate. Taylor. Me too. Also, I know you have like high hopes about Marciano and like you're trusting your fave, but I have to say I've never disliked someone more. I think that they are like really cute. What is crazy to me is the fact that like even after these episodes, Jesse still makes out with Chase. Dates him. No, Chase. She does? Yeah. Like in the timeline before she starts dating Marciano, she makes out with Chase at a party. So, but she hasn't gone on call her daddy yet, right? No. And she's still

like working on her marriage even though she said that. morning they're going to get divorced. Yeah, and like what's, like, why did they move houses? Like, I don't know. Because they had just moved houses and then they had that Halloween party in their new house. They were so excited. Right.

So, but it looks pargy, though. Yeah, it did. Um, I love the secret lives of Mormon wives. It has gotten dark and I'm like, I'm still enjoying it, of course. But like, it's not fun. Like, it used to be fun. No, but it's like seriously dark. It was, it was good television.

Yeah, that conversation on the street was insane. The street fight as they're calling it. Yeah, it was. No, but it was really, it was good reality TV, which isn't usually Congress with like healthy behavior. Agreed. But the entertainment box was checked. Yeah.

So that's your secret lives, Mormon wives recap. But they're not filming. Our next story is so disturbing that it actually. It's not about KJ. Bierman. It is about KJ. Bierman. And it actually gave me a stomachache. So. I've been following this case quite closely.

videos of KJ we shared last week KJ Berman was under arrest for allegedly sodomizing a female classmate in a sauna and now the prosecutor is saying that videos of KJ. Beerman who is 15 having sex with an underage family member those videos were found on his phone so KJ. Beerman has been accused of having sex with an underage relative in a bombshell never before known revelation from court the 15 year old who is the son. of Kim Zolsiak and retired NFL star Corey Beerman, appeared in Georgia's Fulton County Superior Court on Friday. During the hearing, the Deputy District Attorney

shockingly revealed that investigators previously found videos on KJ's cell phone that allegedly depicting him having penetrative sex with a family member under the age of 12. The district attorney said there were multiple encounters on video that were discovered on the device and that they allegedly showed KJ using predatory derogatory language toward the victim. Quote, this would now mark the second time he has been charged with an offense of a sexual nature of a very serious kind, which involves female victims, the DA noted, adding that KJ was previously charged with sexual battery of a victim under the age of 16,

which had not been publicly reported until now. In 2023. Per the DA, he had been under court supervision since October 2025 following the alleged incident with the family member, which she said was reported in April 2023. after the hearing, his KJ's attorney told page six in a statement, characterizations made in court regarding the prior juvenile matter involving KJ. Bierman grossly misrepresent both the facts and the ultimate resolution of that case. The matter arose from inappropriate crude behavior involving two middle schoolers.

It did not result in an adjudication for statutory rape, sexual intercourse, or any comparable offense. He argued that any suggestion otherwise is inaccurate and creates a material misleading impression of how the juvenile matter was ultimately resolved. Yeah, so I guess like with evidence that they found just now, it brought up this 2023 case that people did not know about. Now obviously this would also explain why they did not let him out because we were saying last week that they must have a lot of evidence if they're keeping this 16 year old behind bars until his trial. Yeah, and like they must have a lot of evidence of that crime

because usually someone of his age would be like released home to his family out on bond. But it's not his first offense of this nature. And obviously like the internet is. freaking out about this. And I don't want to like give it, I don't want to assume, but like I think some context that people are bringing up is that when they discuss

a family member in the house who's under the age of 15 or whatever. Like there is a sibling in the house at that age. So they didn't say in the house. They just said a relative a female relative. And they also

just a another piece of context that people are bringing up is that this sibling, Kaya, was sent to live with her grandparents a little while ago. I don't know how people know that. And so I think that that fact

just came to mind when people heard this. It feels related. So obviously people are jumping to conclusions, but it feels like a relevant part detail. Every time I learned something about this case, oh, and then I'm sure you saw the podcast clip of Breal Bierman. Talking about how KJ's like fast and...

Yeah, like I don't know if this was like a year or two ago, but she went on a podcast. Like just catching up about her family. Everybody knew before this, everybody knew their family. Like obviously they're crazy, but they knew all the kids. And from the TV show,

they were all on TV for like almost a decade. And she was talking about how KJ is so grown up and that like, you know, he's trouble. He's obsessed with women and he goes out and he seeks out of the house and he calls her late at night asking to send him a lift and selling me $100. And it was just like perhaps in the moment, like a cutesy story about,

like a rebellious teen, but now in hindsight, it's like extremely dark. Yeah, yeah. Sort of speaking to the character of this kid at the time. Yeah, but like when she said it, really, like not a red flag. Like he's just like, you know, a teenager who wants to go and live and stay out late and kiss girls, you would think. Right. But now in the context of this, of course. This is so deeply troubling on so many levels.

I feel genuinely sick to my stomach hearing all about this. I actually don't have words. Like I don't have a recap. I don't have a take. Like I want to vomit. I want to vomit. It gives me a stomach ache. I think it goes without saying like done with these people.

Beyond. So fucking done. Never been so done. Never been so. Like it's seriously not funny. It's the worst story I've ever heard from stemming from a. reality TV person, personality, family. It must be how fans of the Duggers felt, I want to say.

Oh, yeah, I guess. I wasn't a part of that. But, like, we never watched that show and it didn't follow those cases. But this is the worst thing I've ever heard. I'm sure you saw Kim and Breel, like, Pap walked from court to their car. Yeah. They didn't say anything. And then, like, I don't know why I just found the video offensive, like,

them being so glam with their hair. Like, they didn't say anything. I just, like, I hated it. No, and like, let him rot. let him rot there. I wouldn't like show up for him. No fucking crazy story and where's crying all this? I don't know because like it goes without saying like this is 1,000 percent you know what this is everyone's fault yeah no but it like literally everyone it speaks to really bad a moral rot in the home yeah yeah and a rotten individual of course of course bad seed yeah yeah

So that's the latest. Let's see what happens. Yeah. Our next story is some happy news. Dang God. Lady Gaga welcomes her first baby with fiancee Michael Polanski. I'm so glad in last week's track episode that I included that bit from Lady Gaga's friends because like we were able to have a little bit of a state of the union. And we literally said she's the next pop swirley to become a mother.

And here we go. Lady Gaga and her fiance, Michael Polanski, have recently welcomed their first child together. Page Six can confirm. Additional details, any details actually, are not known at this time. However, the family of three was spotted out and about together for the first time in Northern California. She was going for a walk with her mans and an unidentified brunette and wearing the baby in a baby carrier. Oh my God, so cute. Wait, so was it not confirmed that she was a surrogate?

Well, I think it's fair to say that she did not carry this child just based on the photo. Because she has fibromyalgia. And because she's snatched. Well, you know, some people do snatch. No, and she's like wearing a crop top and a newborn on your... I think it's safe to say. I won't jump to conclusions, but... No, of course.

I think it's safe to say she didn't carry the child. I think also her history of chronic illnesses led people to believe that she didn't carry. But irregardless, not only to be like spookily call this, which like, we literally were just saying mother. No, we didn't call it at all because her friends, like, gave a quote saying they think that she's going to become a mom soon. That's why we were talking about it. Oh.

I just feel glad that we chose that nonsensical story last week. Yeah. Oh, I thought we predicted it. My bad. Obsessed beyond, like for real. I'm so ready for the album. Like, get to work. I know you're busy going on walks and that's beautiful.

Just sit down at the piano. You could still wear the baby. Yeah. She could really write an album in the next three months while that baby's just sleeping all day. Oh, my God. You can get so much done when you have a newborn. Having a newborn is like low-key easy.

And you know she obviously probably has help. Like nanny's housekeepers, chefs, things of that nature. So she's like, girl, get to work. Yeah, give us an album. Give us an album. Called Mama. This is really sweet. What's the baby's name?

What's the baby's gender? We know nothing. Yeah. All in due time. What kind of carrier? It's a sling, like a wrap. Oh, like a scarf type of thing. Yes, it's a rap.

It is not like a buckle. Got it. I love, like when your baby's really little and you can do like the stretchy scarf, like that's the best. Yeah. I love baby wearing, of course. Of course. And this is just beautiful.

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Megan Markle made a little video montage on Instagram Reels of, I guess, an afternoon in the UK. So the reel had the emoji of the British flag and a red heart. and it was little vignettes from an afternoon in the country with the kids and the dog and Harry and then jitterbugs started playing. And it was genuinely one of the most shocking things I'd ever seen in my life. Like when I turned on my phone after the two-day holiday

and the first thing that pops up is Megan Markle's Real, it was a test from the Lord because I'm supposed to be acting right and then they just put this like very low production quality video in front of me and I'm supposed to not say anything. Yeah. I don't think so. Yeah.

What do you think the point of the video was? The point of the video, I think, though it could have been achieved like in other ways, was just like Pargy UK living. I'm a lifestyle influencer, mother of two, and here's some pargy mindless content, because that is a content strategy. Questions that I have about that. Like one, it looks like shit. Like, like, it's not a party G video, you know?

It's awful. Two, why? Like, when she started doing that in, in tandem with like as ever and with love, it's like, yes, you are becoming a life. It was in service of something. In service of becoming like the next Martha Stewart. Like now it's like, why are you doing all that, you know? Also, like, what is this filmed on? Are those the kids' feet?

I'm not sure. By the fire. I couldn't tell. It looks like adult. And they're wearing jeans. Is she wearing jeans? Okay. A jitterbug, yeah.

And like, seriously, why is the forest so blurry? There's one scene where she's filming the lake. And I don't know what she's filming because it's so, it's like someone sent it to her and then she sent it back. And then they sent it to her again and she sent it back. So, oh, Megan was on Dumas this weekend. They said she was spotted at Soho Farmhouse. So is that, I've never been to Soho Farmhouse,

But I feel like that's it. It's like a huge property where you go on hikes and boats and fish and stuff. Yeah, but I think also apparently they're like looking to settle in the Cotswolds. And like these are the vibes every day. So whether or not they were at the farmhouse, like this is just what their life is going to be. I just, what's the point? Do you remember when she launched a shopmai? Yeah.

That was crazy. You were sat. I was sad. But she never like updated it. You do like when she was doing this in her garden, it was like for as ever with love. We're going to be lifest hours. I'm going to be influencer. We're doing all of this.

TV show, products. No, she's obviously left all that behind because it's not worked out and she's gone to the UK. And like, why are you showing us this? Like, this, it's like, it doesn't accomplish anything. It's also such superfluous content.

Like, for somebody who wants to be private. Like, these are actually, like, kind of intimate moments with your family. Like, genuinely, like, not only to be not enjoyed this because it's low production value, but you have claimed to want privacy and, like, this is the type of thing you would want to keep private.

Right. Why are you showing it to us? And now if it's... And I think when she, like, exploited her personal life, like for her show with love as ever. You give a little bit of your personal life to explain like...

In service of the business. Why you got the garden and why you got the fruits? So maybe she's launching another business, sort of like Cotswolds with love. Maybe she's going to be like... With love Cotswolds? A lifestyle influencer in the UK. Which is a niche.

Like, it is a genre. There's a couple of, um, that girl Lydia from TikTok. Like, there is a sort of like very British. kind of like trad wifey type of sect of the internet. So maybe she's trying to do that next. She's got to get a new phone.

She's got to get a social media editor. Yeah. I mean, I do think that budget is tight, like currently just because maybe they're still working on swindling like people in Britain to give them jobs. But I think the American money like did run out. It's just kind of expensive to have like a full time hire just for your Instagram

when you actually post like once every three months. Yeah. But if she wants to do this like and also, It's like you can be a public figure on Instagram and not have to have a social media or you just post a photo. But like if you're making reels and you can't outsource. And she should have done that. What?

Jitterbug. She should have done that in Montecito like when she was making that Britney Steepardt's sky farm content when she was the Britney Spears of the farm. Like an actual teenager. Yeah. That was not well thought out. So we're still doing this really? Jidderbug.

Like why jitterbug? I don't know. I was actually scrolling her Instagram and like her music choices on her posts are very, um, I want to say bold. Like look at her wedding. Do you think that Glinda emboldened her? Okay, jitterbug, Dali Parton, just because I'm a woman. No music.

Cliff, Richard, and the Shadows. That's cute. I don't know that one. Yeah, summer holiday. That's for, oh, with love, Megan. No music, no music. No music. Paula Abdul for her wedding.

Always remember. I'm forever younger. Those are for her wedding. She kind of has a good taste. Her like chapel. This is wedding also. I like this one. You could feel like they're dancing.

It's a slideshow of them dancing at their wedding set to that song. Cute. Oh, original audio. Lovely day. Lovely day. This is a good one. She's kind of good. She really?

She's such a grandma. Like, yeah. She really never posts because I just scroll for three seconds. Jitterbug is in line with that music. Absolutely genre, like on point. Yeah, she is who she is. It's like that genre, but British. Because she's now in the Kutzwolds.

Yeah, oh, is that what? And maybe they saw a bug. Jitterbug. Oh, maybe like, maybe they found a jitterbug on their. I don't know what a jitterbug is, but maybe they found one on their Kutzwolds walk. Yeah. So continuing to be confused.

Watchdog podcast will continue to keep you guys updated on all things. Megzit. With confusion, Megan. I love that. Are you ready for our final story? Great news for some people. The Family Stone sequel has been set at Searchlight with Claire Daines, Rachel McAdams, Sarah Jessica Parker, and many more, mostly everyone except for of chorus Diane Keaton,

returning. Now, if you've ever seen the movie, I'm going to spoil something. I have never seen this movie. I would actually love your take. I could just see you like loving Sarah Jessica Parker. I just saw a synopsis of it. It's like Dermit Millroni's like tightly wound.

He brings home Sarah Jessica Parker for Christmas. Girlfriend comes home to his like bohemian New England family. Yes, they're very like free spirit. I watched the movie like later in life. I only saw it a couple of years ago and I know it's like this people are obsessed with it. It's like their favorite holiday movie. And I didn't love it. but like I understood why it's, like, like why people like it.

It's also like, it was actually good. It was just like the craziest movie. Like when you see the poster and like the family stone, like he's like coming and like get the family ring. Like it's just not at all what you think it's going to be. Okay. And then like it ends really sad. I saw a spoiler about civil.

Which did work out. Can I say what it is? The cheat passes. Diane Keaton dies in the movie. So that actually kind of works out, like, for the sequel because she couldn't be in it anyway. I don't know that this is a film that, like, needs a sequel, but I guess, like, they do leave you with, like, kind of a, like, what happened, like, you know, what will this family be like in 10 years? Oh, do you want to know the synopsis? Well, because in the movie, they, like, end up wife swapping.

Like, what are the other brothers? Okay, I'm going to watch it. Don't tell me anymore, okay? Okay, okay. But this movie will pick up 20 years after the death of the matriarch civil struggle. something that was depicted in the original film as the Stone family again reunites for Christmas only to face the season's biggest surprise.

Their father, Nelson, has unexpectedly invited the woman he's fallen in love with to meet the family. So like that woman would be like the Sarah Jessica Parker of... Right, but it's like who's replacing Diane Keaton. They're going to hate her no matter of watch. We know who plays. No, it didn't say. Well, it says that everybody's on board.

I'm sure like this random movie that they did, which was not even popular at the time. I'm sure they're shocked that it. has such a cult following all these years later. So yeah, like, let's take advantage of it. Yeah, and now I do want to watch it. Like, I feel like I missed out. Yeah, you kind of did.

And, like, I just, I know everyone's going to, like, I know you're going to have an unpopular take on it. Like, really? Because, like, the whole point is, like, that Sarah Jessica Parker is the worst. She just comes and she just doesn't fit into this family. And she just doesn't even try. And she's just, like, not, like, she's like a miserable person.

But, like, at some point, like, they are, like, a little mean to her. And so I could just see you being, like, defending SJP. Let's see. You can't put me in a box. And then there's like this kind of like polarizing conversation at the dinner table. Okay. Like kind of like a political, not political, but like controversial. Okay, don't spoil it.

I'll watch it. Maybe I'll watch it tonight because I don't think there's anything to watch tonight. Dan to be the star starts this week. I'm actually sad. Yeah. To start today or tomorrow. I feel like Tuesday. Tomorrow. Hopefully Tuesdays like watch Family Stone. Yeah, you should.

I would love to hear your thoughts. Okay. That's my homework. And that's our show. Nice long one, but we had a lot to discuss. Hope you enjoyed. Thank you so much for seeing to the Tesla Monday morning. Show we deliver that fast-dusters on the future on YouTube.

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