The Toast - Slumber Party with Lauren Elizabeth: Tuesday, June 17th 2025

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

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Good morning, girlies, it's the Toast. It's Jackson, Claude, and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly, it's the Toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to the Toast. Happy Tuesday, happy Lauren Elizabeth Tuesday. Lauren Elizabeth, welcome to the Toast.

I'm so excited that you're here. You are here for Jackson Friends and you're actually staying with me. So like we've been together for the last 18 hours, just having a gargipargy time. That was really good math. It's a rough estimate, cause I know it's not 12 hours,

I know it's not 24 hours. We're like right in the middle. Thank you so much for having me, not only on the podcast, but in your home, which is also like full of love, because you have your two little boys, and that is why I'm here is for them.

For them, and they're so happy that you're here, and I'm so glad that they've lured you here so that you can do the toast with me. And then we were sitting down last night catching up. And I realized I haven't seen you since our Nashville girls trip, which was like right before I got pregnant with Harry. So I haven't asked you.

It was your last period before you got pregnant. Yeah, yeah. That's what we like figured out before that was last time we saw each other. So we had a lot of catching up to do. And we have a lot of toasting to do because you and I haven't done the toast together in forever and so much has changed with you

since the last time the toasters saw you, except I guess we did toast together a year ago, but it was virtual. It was virtual and I sense that episode have become like the spokeswoman for pelvic floor health. Oh right, Claudia was asking me about her pelvic floor during her pregnancy and I was like, I don't know, ask Lauren Elizabeth.

I'll be sitting in the car and I'll hear like pelvic floor. I go, oh no, no, they're going to say my name. I'm like, this is my legacy. Like who knew the inner workings of my vagina would be my lasting legacy with the toes. Do you have any pelvic floor updates? Yeah, so I'm like actually really happy to be here to share updates on the inner workings of my vagina. It's going really good.

I actually don't shit my pants anymore. I don't pee my pants anymore. How long were you doing that for? Like four months. Postpartum. Postpartum, yeah. So now my daughter will be two in September. So we're doing pretty good now.

I'm feeling really strong vaginally. Great. Not so much mentally. I feel like I do a really good job of representing the toasters that have like mental illness because like you guys are so normal and you like have... Claudia and I. Yeah, you're always like we're neurotypical. I'm like could not relate less. Yeah. Like I'm so not okay but my vagina is great. It's ready for round two. I've been with you for 18 hours and I feel like you're really well.

Like mentally sound. I was not getting like a mentally ill vibe from you. Well, I'm medicated again, which I think is really great. Like go to your doctor, you get a prescription. But I think I also do like a really good job of like hiding it. So I'm glad that like you haven't noticed. And like you don't have to hide it from me

when we're just hanging at my house, be yourself. I know, I am being myself. You seem like you're doing really great, motherhood really suits you. You're also in your bride era because you're engaged. That's a crazy thing. I understand now why they say first comes love, then comes marriage, then comes the baby

and the baby carriage. Because guess what? Planning a wedding with a toddler? Fucking insane. That is insane. How did it go for you? Love baby or baby love? Love baby wedding. First comes love, then comes baby, then comes the wedding.

No, then comes house, then comes small business, then comes wedding. So I'm broke, I'm stressed, and I love my daughter and my fiance. That's so beautiful. But I feel broke, I'm stressed, and I love my daughter. And my fiance. But I feel like a lot of couples feel like when they look back at their wedding,

it's like, well, our kids should have been there. It was like a party. That's what I'm excited about. A party full of people who we love and love us and like all the people that they know. And it's like, thinking about like my kids at my wedding, like that's the only thing that could have made it better. It's kind of like, there's pros and cons

and I understand it's not ideal, but I think you should focus on that because how fun. I'm like, I see those videos of, which also like make me feel better because like first of all, like when I was like walking around like play places and I like didn't have a ring yet because obviously like Matt had to propose, I'd be like, I look like a huge whore.

People are looking at me like, look at that whore with a child. I literally never wear my ring. No, I know, but like now I walk. I literally never wear my ring I know I know but like now I'm like pregnant I walk into the library and I don't have like a wedding band. I'm like, oh my god, everyone knows Oh my god, you're so crazy. Everyone knows. See? Mentally ill I'm not okay I don't even have a wedding band like I have like when I wear my engagement ring like that

That's everyone. Yeah, I don't even think about people think she's engaged and not married, which is two kids. I'm gonna go on the toast and everyone's gonna be like, look at that huge horse, not married yet. But what I will say is I see the videos that make me feel better of like other people with their child at the wedding. And I'm like, oh my God, a fellow, like big, you know,

mistake maker or whatever. And not a mistake, by the way. But in there like bawling, crying, their husbands dancing with their daughter, like father daughter dance, like hello. You guys have kind of crushed it. Like I'm jealous now. No, we're actually geniuses.

10 out of 10 recommend, but you will go broke. Like for sure. Is Olive gonna be the flower girl? So I just feel like. What is her role in the ceremony? I feel like, well she she's actually been a flower girl and she has another wedding coming up. She has experience in the role.

So she actually has a wedding coming up in a few weeks. She's really booked and busy as a flower girl. And I just feel like for our wedding, she needs a step up. More than I agree. Like a flower girl is someone's random child. Not your own. Yes.

She needs to officiate being the master of ceremonies. The only thing I'm worried. Mama, dada. Mama, dada, I do question mark. But I just feel like what I'm actually worried about during the ceremony is I heard all like, not a horror story, but someone I know like their baby was at the wedding.

And they were like, you know, if the baby cries, hand it to the babysitter so that like the two moms, the grandmas can focus on the wedding. Grandma A doesn't do that, Grandma B's kind of running over, the husband like walks off the altar before like the wife comes down, like knocks over the flowers.

So I've had strict talks with both grandmas and I'm like, you guys cannot focus on the baby during the ceremony because I'm also afraid she's gonna be like, mom, like, so I don't know logistically how this is gonna work yet. Okay. But she's gonna have some role where she also has to like shut the fuck up for a second. Yeah.

You know? Yeah, I think she'll be captivated watching her parents, her mom's gonna look like a princess. Like, I think she's gonna be really into it. I'm gonna look better than I've ever looked in my life. And then I'm gonna fall pregnant like the next day. So it'll be a lot more fun. Have you gotten your dress yet?

I have, I have. What's your vibe? So I'm actually keeping my dress a surprise. From everyone? Like from everyone, so like my bridesmaids and stuff, only my mom has seen it. But I would say the vibe is like, I wanted to do something different.

Cause I feel like my style is very simple. And very just, I feel like I wanted to do something where people would be like, whoa, I didn't expect Lauren to be in that. No, I need to see it right now. Well, you can't come to my wedding, so maybe I'll show you. I'm like a pushover.

This is what my problem is. I'm a pushover. I'm gonna be like, oh my God, if I spend 10 more hours with Jackie, I'm showing her through us. No, I know. Like I need to go home. I just feel like the way that you just said that

really wasn't tasting, because I thought you were gonna be like, it's classic like, when I think of you as a bride, I do think of something like simple, elegant. Almost like what Hailey Steinfeld just wore. Like something like very classic, traditional and simple. I need, cause my rule, and I said this on TikTok,

I was like, if when I tried on a dress, I was like, if this dress was black, what I wear to someone else's wedding. And if the answer was yes, I was like, it's not enough. Like it has to be like a little different. Like if it was just like a slip dress, but then like you wear it at any color. But the reason why I answer was yes, I was like, it's not enough. Like it has to be like a little different. Like if it was just like a slip dress, but then like you wear it at any color. But the reason why I also was like,

I don't wanna show anyone pictures is cause like, you know, it's like not like snatched yet. And like I have some tailoring to do. Right, right, right. But we could use our imagination. You think you can't. Yeah. No hair and makeup.

But you're always in hair and makeup. How beautiful does Lauren look today? Did you go like this to your wedding appointment? I don't know. I don't really remember. I kind of like blacked it out, honestly. I don't know. I'm like someone like I don't do birthday,

like I don't have birthday parties for myself. Like this whole, I would have eloped in the backyard if I could. What stopped you from doing that? Cause really everyone says that. My sweet angel fiance, he was like, we're having a wedding. Everyone says like, oh, I'll just elope.

Like I don't need much. I'll go to city hall. Like every girl I know. And then they all wind up're having a wedding. Everyone says, like, oh, I'll just a little, like, I don't need much, I'll go to City Hall. Like, every girl I know, and then they all wind up with a big wedding. So it's like, why didn't you do that? Well, you always gave me, your advice was always like, just don't let it snowball. And I was like-

Don't take advice from me. You were like, don't get carried away. And you were like, but you will get carried away. So we got carried away. But like, Matt wanted like more of a traditional wedding. And I was like, we could just go to City Hall. Like I got the baby. Like I want the ring and I want the baby.

And then like the marriage like license. But I was like, I don't need the wedding part of it. And we couldn't find a venue that was like, we wanted to do like an Airbnb, but like we couldn't find anything. So we ended up having to do a traditional venue. And then you start doing the guest list, you give a guy that's been in a frat the access,

and all of a sudden everyone and their fucking mom is coming. And then you have to match his list, so you start inviting people. Oh, I'm not matching his list. It's literally my family, and then I have I think four friends. So how many people is he inviting? Like what's the ratio? It's basically 50-50, it's just mine's mostly family, I think four friends. So how many people is he inviting? Like what's the ratio?

It's like basically like 50-50. It's just like mine's mostly family, his mostly friends. So it's gonna be like a giant frat party at my wedding. But whatever. That sounds really fun. No, it'll be really fun. I'm actually like, I am really excited. I just love complaining about everything. I mean, welcome to the toast.

It's like what we do. Thank you so much for having me. Come here and complain. We've like talked about me for too long though. Oh my God, but you're so interesting to me. Cause I'm even thinking back, I'm like when we met you and like, you used to be like an LA girlie.

Like you were like the LA influencer. Like you were so LA, you like did all the like things that- And now I'm like the opposite. LA people do. And now you're just like a down home mama. Yeah. But it's like- In your nesting era. I feel like I never lost like the Midwest part of me.

And that's why people in LA, I think, were really drawn to me. And I remember there was one time where I was single, like the very rare time I was single in LA, and I went on dates and people were like, where did you come from? You're so normal. I'm like, no, you're all fucked.

You guys are all just nuts. And that's obviously then when I decided to move back to Chicago. But I never lost. My best friends have always been my best friends from home. So it was a natural progression. Now I just drink less green juice and do less Pilates and stuff.

I'm just more normal. Do you miss it at all there? No. Yeah. Not for a second. I miss, I started missing the food a little bit. But like, and I like a few good friends. I've like do a good Arowan trip, sure.

But like, I don't know, like- She made it out you guys. It's like living in a different world. Yeah. Like I had to like come back to the real world, you know? No offense to anyone that lives in LA. I was just like deep immersed in it and like, maybe got it myself into some like bad relationships.

So it's, you it's just my experience. Well, she's come out the other side. Yes, I came out the other side. I moved to the suburbs of Chicago. She became a mom. I'm a mama. She's a small business owner. She's a former podcaster.

Yeah, I mean, I was part of TNN. You were. But I said, you guys, I'm so sorry. I have to stop podcasting. You guys were like, bye, it's fine. I'm like, okay. And they're like, please, don't fine. And I'm like, okay, no, like, please, like, don't. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

You know, we're literally never gonna be toxic bosses. Like, you have to work. Like, it's not working for you, great. Yeah, you guys were like, oh no, you're good. But I don't really miss it. Podcasting, yeah. Because it's just changed so much from when we started. Like, I was in LA, remember when we started,

and like you and Claudia came over, and we I think like took pictures for like my cover art or something. Yeah, yeah. That's when I realized that you guys don't like other dogs that aren't King Charles Cavaliers. You guys watching them interact with another dog was like the craziest shit I've ever seen in my life.

You guys were so weird. You guys were like, hi dogs. Not you blowing up our spot, but that is very true. And not even something that we would try and hide because the whole reason why we love King Charles Cavaliers is because growing up, we were afraid of dogs. Yeah, no, I can tell now. And then we got a King Charles Cavalier.

Our mom got us that because it's like one of the friendliest dogs for kids. And she was like, you guys can't like be so afraid of dogs. Like it's like exposure therapy. So let me get like the most, the sweetest dog. And it took each of us like a couple days. I remember when everyone like had their moment where they like fell in love with the dog and like some of us were still

hiding. Some of us were like out playing with the dog. And we obviously all fell in love with her. And then we're never scared of King Charles Cavaliers. But like we have a little bit of a fear in us. Thank you for exposing that, Lauren. No, I mean, it was just like, you know, like you think of it's like these dog people and then like you have like these like other dogs and you Lauren. No, I mean, it was just like, you know, like you think of it's like these dog people and then like you have like these like other dogs

and you guys are like, I was like, oh my God, freaks. It's important to note we're not dog people. We are King Charles Cavalier Spaniel people. And I do get it because I met Bruno obviously and I was like, wait, this is actually like the best dog. Like he doesn't add any stress to the environment. Like you have like two young children like running around like screaming like Literally running around with a hammers

They're like toy hammers. I can listen to it hammers. No, no guys. They were real Don't let her lie to you guys. She's crazy mom, the things she lets go on in her home. No, running around with little plastic hammers and Bruno's just chilling, we snuggle. He's so used to it. He's fabulous. He just wants love. He's really great.

Thank you so much for recognizing Bruno's greatness. So are the children as well. Yes, yes, no, but I'm glad that Bruno has had his moment because he deserves to shine too. He became a big brother at a very young age and he never got to bask in being the only child. Yeah, and that's why I come in town, give him extra love. Yeah.

But he seems very well taken care of, very well adjusted. Yeah, he's got a lot of love. He's surrounded by love. Yeah, I love it. Do you have a dog now? You know, so now that you're exposing, now that I exposed you, karma is crazy. It's a touchy subject for influencers, like who had a dog and then don't.

Okay. Okay, here's the thing. If I post a picture of, no, what? The dog that was in your apartment that you were saying we were afraid of. Where's that dog? Okay, so I gotta go, bye. Okay, so I gotta go, bye. Okay, so here's the thing. I didn't train my dogs, they're not great dogs, whatever, love them, move back to Chicago, very small apartment, Lauren goes through a new phase. She's out all the time, she's meeting people,

she is me, right? We're going crazy, my mom lives down the streets, and I was also traveling, I was going back and forth. My dogs were always at my mom's house. And then finally one time I came back from LA and my mom was like, you're not picking up the dogs. I'm done with you picking them up. You've ruined our routine, all this stuff.

So she kind of actually stole the dog, like kidnapped them. Okay, that's a totally suitable answer for me. Like they're with your parents, your mom. They're like our family dogs. So like now, but then my mom decided to abandon me at the ripe age of 30, and she also took the dog. So now they all live in Charleston. Got it.

That's a nice life. They're living the dream. Wait, I don't hate this. I thought it was gonna get dark and it was gonna be like a loosey loosey, apple juicy situation. No, no, no. But people still to this day DM me about the fucking dogs.

No, I'm sorry. If you are an influencer and you show that you have a dog one time. Don't do it. You are gonna be asked every single day. Yeah, there's no good outcome. There's really no good outcome. You know how people put emojis over their babies?

Put them over your fucking dogs. Or don't put your dogs on the internet. Yeah, if you don't plan on having them long term, I guess. Well, I mean, I guess it was never a part of my plan. I think it just naturally, maybe I'm not a dog person. I'm a baby person. I always knew I wanted to be a mom. I thought that would translate to dogs.

Did you feel pressure to get a dog living in LA? No, I think maybe I was just lonely. I don't even remember. I don't remember what I did last week. I don't remember how I felt when I was in my early 20s in LA. You need to keep a journal. Yeah, but then I had to read it. I Like, I'm like, I hate myself so much. Like I've like looked at like read like old journals

and I'm like, you are the biggest fucking loser on the planet. I found an old journal in this move. I immediately put it in the trash. I'm like, ew, ew, ew, get it away from me. Do you feel that way about old content? Oh, I won't watch it. Because I guess technically if you wanna know

how you felt when you were in LA, like listen to your old podcasts. Would rather die. Would actually rather die. Yeah. Like I don't know why I do what I do. I just have gotten into it and I like the lifestyle that's come with it.

So I keep putting myself on the internet and then I'm like, I go viral on TikTok and I'm like, I hate this, why do I do it? Like I wanna die. No, but it's a, there's a certain type of person, especially back in the day, like when we started on the internet, there's a certain type of person

that like goes to the internet because there are introverted and like it's an easy way to like make something in a silo and then put it out there, but you're not really, you're not getting on a stage. You're not actually out there. Yeah, so I think it makes sense that a lot of the OG internet people,

now everyone wants to be on the internet, so it's different, but like a lot of the OG internet people, like the cool kids were out at a party. We were all in our bedrooms filming ourselves, talking to ourselves, to a camera, like that's like, do you know how much we got made fun of? The cool kids were busy being cool. Yeah, like, and I'm like,

hey guys, here's how to do a smokey eye. Like loser, go get a life. But like, you know, we're here, so it's whatever. Yeah, so we are here. We're gonna do the toast today. We have a very fun show because we have five interesting stories and we have dear toasters.

DTQ. The DTQ needs us. I picked some submissions that I think you and I will be uniquely suited to answer. Okay. For the mamas, for the brides, for the girlies, for the swirlies. I love the mamas and the brides.

Yeah. But I'm a mama bride. Mama bride, is that like a niche category? There's no one else. There's no one else. There's no other mama brides as far as I can tell because I think I'm the only like fucked up one, but you know, I'm sure they're out there.

If you're a mama bride, come follow me. We can do this together. I feel like that would definitely be like a TikTok community. No, I just, I just, there's no niche here, you know? Yeah. But we got all the niches covered. Yeah. So we've got the mentally ill.

Yep. The Midwest. Midwest. Brides, mothers. Brides, mothers. Dog-ry homers. People who are scared of dogs, except for their own.

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Booking.yea. Thank you to our sponsors. Our first story, today's stories are in no order of importance, like nothing broke except the only like breaking news, not even breaking, but just like major news was like Love Highland. I'm all the way caught up. Oh yeah, did you watch it last night?

I watched the episode that aired last night and I watched the one from Sunday night, which was like the big shakeup of the house. The mama one, did you see that? I saw that. That's like the big shakeup of the house. The mama one, did you see that? I saw that. That's like the only thing that matters to me. I'm a mommy. I'm a mama, I'm a mommy, mamacita.

No, I'm a mommy. No, that was really- Of what? Like a dog? No, that was really hard to watch and he was not wrong for that. I loved it. That was very confusing.

But some more reality TV news, Erika Jayne is breaking her silence on those Jesse Solomon hookup rumors. So rumors began swirling. And I feel like I never even like stopped to think about it, but like a couple of people have said some stuff about Erika Jayne and Jesse Solomon. Over the last month,

the two were photographed at a private cocktail party in New York City in May. And then since then, Erika has addressed the speculation on her podcast series with Teddy Mellencamp. So Teddy said to her I guess you allegedly made out with Jesse. She said first of all no the alleged hookup would have taken place they said at Watch What Happens Live in New York City after up front. I was at home but here's the thing was I flirting with two men at up front? The answer is yes yes I was. Would I have preferred to take two home

instead of one? Yes. She then said, I can't, but my point is for once in a decade I actually talk to people that we work with because I'm such a bitch every other time. You know me, but I'm trying to do more social things. She said, I wish I had something exciting to tell you, but I don't.

I saw these rumors, like I think also Amanda Patula was asked about them on Watch What Happens Live. I could have sworn that she confirmed it. And she did. She like, they asked if she believed it, she's like, oh yeah, for sure. So I was just like, oh yeah, Jesse and Erica Jane hooked up.

Like no big deal. I'm kind of bummed to hear that they didn't. Yeah, I 100% thought that they did. I don't love it, like to be honest, like it kind of like, itches me out a little bit, but maybe that's just cause like he's been itching me out a little bit. But I could have sworn that it was just confirmed.

Why did she have to unconfirm it? I don't know. I don't like ship. Like I don't need them to be together forever, but I do like the idea of like her having a fun hookup. Like she deserves that. And yeah, like we all deserve that, but like I don't like this match.

Yeah. I feel like it's the sort of thing where like things are brewing. These rumors might get in the way, but like maybe they had a good conversation out of friends. Maybe they think the other is cute. Maybe they'll hook up at BravoCon

if people will stay out of their way. Now people might put too much pressure on it. Is Bravo... Wait, when is BravoCon happening? I don't know. I think it happens in the fall. Oh, the fall? Yeah.

But next time they see each other, I feel like they could hook up. But not if everyone's talking about it before it even happens. Or it already did happen and she's trying to save face and she's lying. I don't, I don't know why lie, like who cares. And also hookup, like everyone thinks of hookup

as differently, so when she just said like kissed or made out, I was like, wait, I thought we were talking about S-E-X. I think of hookup as make out. Okay, I don't know why, but now I think about it as sex. And like, not obviously when I was like growing up. Right, because now like we're like, I feel't know why, but now I think about it as sex. And like, not obviously when I was growing up. Right, because now we're like, I feel like the way, remember when we were growing up,

the word hookup meant even just like a kiss on the lips. Like you kissed, you hooked up. Like you touched. But then your parents would be like, did you two hook up last night? And it's like, ew. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like we're getting to the age where it's like,

hookup just means some sort of sexual interaction. Okay. And not just, you know what I mean? I feel like thatup just means some sort of like sexual interaction and not just, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like that's just us maturing, but the word is still a very much an umbrella term. Okay, because I assumed that like they fucked and that she's saying like kiss. I'm like, wait, what?

I don't think that they had sexual relations because that would mean like going somewhere private probably, whereas like they could like make out on a dance floor. I see, yes, yes, yes. Or even a peck, like that could be a hookup. Yeah, yeah. Or like at a party.

I don't think they had one-on-one time back at someone's hotel. That's what was happening in my head is that Jesse Solomon took Erika Jayne home to his little studio apartment and was a little bit embarrassed. He probably has navy blue bed sheets with no bed frame. And Erica Jane-

We don't even get to see his apartment on the show. Well, does he live in New York? I thought someone said he lived in Miami on the show. I heard that recently too. I think he splits time. Where does he live in the city when they're not in the hand- I don't know, but there's no bed for him there.

No. There's no way. No, and there shouldn't be a bed frame because I wouldn't want someone going back with him to get the wrong impression, like this is the kind of guy with a bed frame. Exactly, no. Now he's gonna hear this and he's like,

shit, I gotta get on wafer and get a bed frame. No, no, no, no, no. But there's no way, okay, fine. You know what, I don't ship it, I don't care, but sure, she deserves to be happy and deserves love, Erika Jayne. I don't think she's lying though. I don't think she has a reason to lie. I don't think, but like, sure, she deserves to be happy and deserves love, Erika Jayne. But like- I don't think she's lying though.

I don't think she has a reason to lie. I don't think she's lying either. I think if she didn't, she didn't want people to know they wouldn't bring it up on her podcast. Yeah. And I also, I'm just like very naive, unless like someone is a proven liar on TV, where it's like you can't trust a word out of their mouth.

I just don't think people lie like that. But that's a me problem because they do. No, I agree. Cause I literally- I think that's like crazy, but that's a me problem because they do. No, I agree. Cause I don't, I literally- I think that's like crazy to just like straight up lie when nobody asks. Like you could have escaped the question. Yeah, you could have just not said anything.

I always say, why would I lie? Why would I lie? Cause I don't understand like why people lie. I'm like, well, I tell like, I can't help but tell the truth, but I just feel like also like it was probably like good PR. So like why I like put it like a kibosh on it by being like, no, it didn't happen.

Yeah. Like, oh. Yeah, I agree. by being like, no, it didn't happen. Yeah. Like, oh. Yeah, I agree. It was a fun storyline. Yeah, exactly. So for now, it hasn't happened. Yeah, there's still BravoCon. We still have hope.

We always have BravoCon. Jesse Solomon is probably gonna just absolutely tear through bitches at BravoCon. I know, but at this point, who would fall for it? I don't know. People can be extremely charming and better looking in real life, and you could be like oh wait Like maybe you were just like that. I'm like on tv. It was your edit like whoa

But I also think like an older woman who's not really looking for anything like Mike She doesn't care if Jesse Solomon is like a fuckboy. Yeah, I'm not talking to you again So like no, yeah, like the younger girls might like have like think something could come of it Yeah, I don't think I can't imagine him just like holding a conversation with an older woman. I don't know why. I could. Really? Yeah, it's like that's that little like charming piece that you hold on to.

It gets smaller and smaller. Yeah, but it's there. It's still there. I don't know. I've seen too much. Yeah. I've seen too much. Yeah.

Are you all caught up on Summer House? Yes, but I'm more of like a West girly. Like when I like see him, I know, I've seen too much. I've seen too much. Yeah, are you all caught up on Summerhouse? Yes, but I'm more of like a West girly. Like when I like see him, I know, I know, I just think he's so funny. I actually agree, I think he's funny too. I think he's so funny, I can't help it, and I think he has really good style. So like when he comes across my desk,

I get my FIP. Do you like a scarf and a hat? I don't, like I'm kind of like drawn to it. I'm like, you're a silly, goofy dude. Like, and like you own it. Like when like, you're a silly, cute, cute dude. And you own it. When he comes up on my For You page, I'm like, LOL, you're silly, you're cool, you're fun. When Jesse Sondland comes up and he's like,

guys, these girls told me that everyone hates me. And I'm like, oh my God, you're actually making me wanna throw up in my mouth. Go away. So I'm more of a West girly in that sense, but he's the only one I like on the whole show, men-wise. Okay, okay. I don't hate that for you.

Yeah, I like it. Yeah. I hope they stay. I think they're staying. Cause they should be shooting right now, right? Like two weeks, probably two weeks out. Oh yeah, 4th of July. Last season, 4th of July was the first weekend.

So we're almost there. Our next story, Mariah Carey is explaining her refusal to acknowledge birthdays. She says, I don't have a birthday that's like you who won't even throw a birthday party. Well, at least I know I have one. Mariah Carey has one very unconventional belief system. She doesn't believe in the passage of time.

So she was on a UK radio show and each of the hosts asked her a series of questions about what she does or doesn't support, including acknowledging time. One of the hosts asked, is it true you don't acknowledge the passing of time? And she said, that is true. And then when the host asked what she means by that, she said, I just don't believe in it.

And then the host was still confused, wanted to know if she was referring to time zones, but Mariah said, no, just time. So the host was still confused, wanted to know if she was referring to time zones. But Mariah said, no, just time. So the host was like, no clocks and it's just not into that. She said, yeah, no, just let it go. They said, do you celebrate your birthday? She said, I don't have a birthday.

No. She said anniversaries. Yes. So she's like one of those. It's not a birthday. It's an anniversary. What in the fuck are you reading? Like this is real? No, and then they said,

but if I were to meet up with you later, how would we know when? And then she said- A follow up. Yeah, I would have someone call you and figured it out. So everyone that works for her is living a nightmare. Oh, for sure, but I think we already knew that. But I think the time thing just throws a wrench into it.

I like literally strive to be this level of delusional. No, it's really- She's living on Mars. This isn't real life. What? And I feel like it's a funny bit, and it's so Mariah Carey, she doesn't acknowledge her birthday because she is ageless and age is but a number. But to really live your life like that just seems stressful. Like what if you have a doctor's appointment? That's what I'm saying, right?

Like I live by the Google calendar. But I think she probably has a concierge doctor that comes to her house and then when she's ready to see the doctor, he's waiting in the living room. It's like one thing not to like celebrate birthdays or believe in birthdays, sure, whatever, but like the passage of time.

The passage of time. Like now you're on mushrooms. The passage of time. What are you talking about? The passage of time is significant. And I think that- Like it's like happening literally right now. Like she's not okay. And I love, you know what I do love other people,

like my child's birthday, cause like now it's about me. I'm like, I pushed that baby out. Like as a mama, like you should love birthdays. Like you like brought life into the world no birthdays are so fun especially the first birthday like the first birthday is really for the mom it's not like you would have a part a big party or anything because they don't like have that many friends or whatever and they wouldn't even realize so you just do something sweet but it's acknowledgement for you like you got through the first year that's passage of time that passage

of time yeah you got through that passage of time is significant, would you say? Significant. Like, oh my gosh, she's nuts. Yeah. Imagine like your mom being like, we don't believe in time. No. I'd be like, mommy, what do you mean? I have school at 8 a.m. Yeah, we have to be there at eight o'clock. Like this is like, I used to like believe in like world peace

and like, just, you know, I used to like wonder, how do like, how do people mess it up? You know, like I wanna be the best mom I can be and like, how do I just make sure I get it right? And then I like open my phone and the internet and I see stuff like this and I'm like, oh, like we're fucked. Like people are bat shit crazy.

We're never gonna have world peace. There's people that don't believe in the passage of time. Right, they couldn't even like meet for the meeting about peace. No, yeah, like it's not happening. Unless it's in their house. With the concierge doctor. With the concierge doctor.

It sounds lovely. Yeah. To be like living at this level. Yeah, so I wonder how she would, like if she were just a regular person who like didn't have like access to all, like the privilege of not recognizing time, like how this would manifest in a regular person. I just don't think you're like an active member of society.

I agree. Like how do you do anything? Yeah. It's not a bit. And I think, I don't think. I mean, she's a bit. Maybe like a little bit, it's a bit, but it really sounded like she, it's not, you know?

I don't know, the Nick Cannon thing's making more sense. But I guess like if you have multiple assistants and people working for you, like it's not your job to manage your time. Like time does not matter to you. Like that's someone else's, I don't know, the Nick Cannon thing's making more sense. But I guess if you have multiple assistants and people working for you, it's not your job to manage your time. Time does not matter to you. That's someone else's job. Someone in her sphere is dealing with time.

I mean, she's honestly probably really happy. Yeah. Like just living in La La Land. It's probably frustrating for her that people like us don't understand what she's saying. Yeah, she's probably like, you guys just don't get it. I'm functioning on another level. How sad for you.

Yeah, no, like she's making fun of us on her imaginary podcast right now. Yeah. That has no timed ads or anything. No. She just goes on and on and on. Yeah. So I hate this.

That's what's up with Mariah. I didn't like, I feel like I didn't need to know that. And I'm like so happy that I do. I know, I'm gonna be like, think about that a lot. Like how my life, my day even could be different if I just like don't acknowledge time. No, I'm gonna like, I need like way more follow-up questions. Like I have so many questions for her.

Especially when you have kids and she does have kids. So it's like, they put you on a schedule. Yeah. But maybe it's like a biological schedule. Like what they wake up. Maybe she doesn't believe like in time, in a sense of like, that it's like manmade schedule. Like what they wake up. Maybe she doesn't believe like in time in a sense of like that it's like manmade and like we like made it up. So she still like follows like the rules of society,

but she doesn't like believe in time as like a whole, which also like doesn't make sense. Cause like we have like history, but I don't know. Now I'm like. There's also just day and night. I'm trying to think like I'm not a social construct. It's so true. But time is time.

Like the time is o'clock is a social construct. That's so true. But time is, time like the o'clock is a social construct. O'clock. Yeah. O'clock equals social construct. No, yeah. Now it's- Light and dark day and night, not social construct. Now I'm feeling like I'm on shrooms

trying to figure this out, but I can't do it. I know, we need to pivot to a more theological subject. So true. Because Pope Leo reportedly is related to Madonna and Justin Bieber through a common ancestor. So Pope Leo XIV reportedly has some famous musical relatives. According to a report in the New York Times, the New Holy Father is related to Justin Bieber and Madonna through one common Canadian ancestor born roughly six generations ago.

The New York Times collaborated with genealogists from American ancestors and the Cuban Genealogy Club of Miami on a detailed exploration of his ancestry and found that the head of the Catholic Church, born Robert Francis Prevost, that's definitely not right, Prevost, has connections to a number of famous relatives including Madge, Madonna, Bieber, Angelina Jolie, and former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, which I guess would also mean that all these people are related to each other as well. Did he submit like a blood sample for that? I'm confused. Did he like do ancestry DNA like on his own time? No, but I don't think you need. So who's running this? The answer, like just like ancestry.com,

like you don't submit blood. Like you just give your name and like the people that you know, and then they have a lot of other information. one of those things and that's like ancestry.com which is pretty legit But not like the the genealogy club or American ancestors. Well first of all, this is my boy This is my this is my pope. Yeah, cuz this is my guy Yeah, like like honestly if I gave them my name, maybe we're related for sure because you're my dad Yeah, he might be my dad. He might be your dad.

He might be my dad. I mean, I don't have a dad. I mean, technically I do, but like, I'd love a new one, you know? Yeah. It could be Pope Leo. That would be cute. I just think he's so cute.

But this just makes me feel like, then like, are we just like all related? For sure, but like, we are all related. Well, it depends what you believe. Well, I wanna be related to famous Well, it depends what you believe. It depends what you believe, Adam and Eve. Well, I mean, I don't believe in the passage of time anymore. But if you believe in Adam and Eve,

then we're all related, yeah? I do believe in Adam and Eve, yeah. So we're all related. Okay, I like, yeah, but like. But this is like closer to home, Madonna and Justin Bieber. But you're definitely related to this guy. He looks like you. I think, right? Like we give similar vibes.

Do you get really excited when he like wears his Chicago swag? Yeah, I do because I feel like we're like the most underrated city. Did you know of him before he became the Pope as being like from being like a big deacon in the air or bishop? Yeah, like yeah, I'm such a good Christian. No, I had no idea until it was like on the news. And then I've set my whole Instagram feed is like, Chicago. Cause even like, I feel like I know the big Cardinals

in New York. Yeah. I don't know. I don't believe in the passage of like time. Of Cardinals. Of Cardinals. No, I don't know. It was all news to me,

but as a Chicago girly, like big day for us, huge day. You know, people need to put more respect on our city. It's a major win for the Windy City. It's a major win for the Windy City, but like New York sucks, LA sucks, Chicago, so great. We gave you a pulp. Yeah. Think about it.

Think about it. No, it's really great for- So do you think Madonna and Justin will reach out? I could see Madonna. She's very spiritual. Yeah. She's another one that's interesting. She's an interesting cat. Yeah. I don't even go down like the Madonna rabbit hole. Like there's just like, there's so much information. And her music like never- she's ahead of my time.

But she's very spiritual. True. Like in a real way. I mean, Justin Bieber won't stop posting on Instagram. Justin Bieber's also very spiritual. So he's probably gonna figure this out and get in touch. Yeah, that's so cute, family reunion. Yeah, this is what he needs.

This is what Justin needs right now. I think so too. I know he has Jesus. But more. But he needs more. Yeah. And Pope Leo's gonna get him there. Imagine he's the one to save him. I mean, another one for more. Yeah. And Pope Leo's gonna get him there. Imagine he's the one to save him.

I mean, another one for Chicago. Beautiful. Oh yeah, and the ancestor is a Canadian, like Justin. I see, I see, like the more you know. The more you know. The more you know. I love genealogy, I think it's really interesting. It's like that one show, right?

Where they like do it with celebrities and they like figure out everyone that they're related to. What's it called? Like who the heck are you or something like that one show, right? Where they like do it with celebrities and they like figure out every one that they're related to. What's it called? Like who the heck are you or something like that? I think it has a weird name like that. Oh, I thought it was called like, Geonology. I think it's called like, Who the fuck are you? Seriously, like, do they still do it?

I thought they did, cause I feel like they still see news about it. I don't see as much news about it. I feel like it used to make more news. But maybe some people found out some stuff they didn't want to know. Yes, maybe like Variety was doing something. I just saw like these like two actors figured out

that they were like cousins or something. Cute. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know enough. Can you tell like there's not a lot going on up here? I don't think that's true. Thank you. I think you're really hard on yourself.

Oh, well, you and my therapist agree. Our next story, Reese Witherspoon is launching a weekly podcast for her book club. So Redheads are quaking over this news. Redheads are pissed. We are pissed. And I feel like she could like smell blood in the water. Like, because we've been struggling.

And I've been honest about this, like on the Redheads and probably you could sense from the show, like it's been really hard to like get the Redheads. We do our episode every month, but like every month it's getting harder and harder to find time for all of us to record, for busy women, mothers, lot going on, and then also for us to read the books too.

We're in a reading slump and then it's just really, and so we're going definitely through a weak moment and she's pouncing. So her monthly book club, which just turned eight years old, Redheads are five years old, that's the younger, prettier version, is now getting a companion podcast. While she's likely to make appearances on the show,

she is delegating the hosting duties of the podcast. It's called Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club. Okay, amazing name, like kill me. The series will be anchored by journalist and TV host, Danielle Robe, who will bring together celebrities, tastemakers, influencers, and authors from Reese's Book Club and beyond to share stories that I try and send the page.

I feel sick because this is my dream. I always say if I had more time and I could take on more projects, I would build out Red Heads. I have big dreams for it. And I would at least do a twice monthly podcast where once a month is the book club. And then the other one is talking to authors,

influencers, fucking tastemakers about like book stuff. And I definitely like said that once on the show and they took my idea. Oh, you're giving away a lot of free ideas. I'm glad you know what, I'm just going to be magnanimous because I know I'm not like I'm only getting to have less time not more. I'm never going to be able to do that. Right. So I'm glad that that content will be put out into the world by a trusted source such as Reese.

But I feel like you guys would have done it better in like a more like authentic and fun way. Like this has the potential to be like over-commercialized and like not as like intriguing and just like, almost just like people are going on a press tour. Yeah, and just like very serious. Yeah. And not like showing a super fun side, but let's see.

Hello Sunshine has another podcast too. Claudia and I did one of their podcasts. I think it was called like the Hello Sunshine podcast. Yeah, we had so much fun. The hosts were amazing. So I think they're pretty good in the podcast space. And like, because I'm not gonna do this and I know that about myself,

cause I don't have more time, I will pass the torch to bookmarked. So then what's the future for the redheads? I mean, that's a really big question and something that we're all sort of grappling with, but we all have agreed that we never wanna stop doing it and even when it gets hard, we're not giving up the redheads.

So I think- Even Margot? Yeah, even Margot. Because for right now, a lot of us aren't reading in our free time. We normally were just going through a reading slump, but if it weren't for the redheads, I would not have read in six months.

And I'm grateful for that. And every time we do the redheads, I would not have read in six months. And like, I'm grateful for that. And every time we do the redheads, it's so fun. And like, I literally sometimes don't talk, like have a catch up with my friends that whole month. And then I get to like, it keeps us together. So- You can't stop. We can't stop.

It's just, I think also what would be easier for me is like delegating the editing of the episode, cause I edit the episode. It's really hard to edit for people who are doing a virtual episode. It takes up a lot of my time. I can't believe you do it. I know.

I'm just like so protective of the redheads. And like I listen to everything. I take out everyone's like breath that I like anything that I can do to make it perfect because like it's my baby. It's my passion project. But I think if I took some of the workload off of myself, that could be better for the future of the brand. Well, I don't want the redheads to go anywhere.

I tune in. I tune out. Rhett and Dana are my absolute girls. I absolutely love them. But I feel like Reese, this is just a commercialized version of maybe something that you'll be able to do eventually. Yeah, yeah. Maybe they'll have me on as a tastemaker and influencer.

Well, those are the things that you are. And then you can go promote the redheads. And then I can go promote the redheads. And then I can go promote the Redheads. So maybe this is actually amazing. You know, I think it's good. I'm always gonna support women in literature, encouraging people to read and podcast. But at this point, do you think that

Reese is really picking out each book? Or is it like, okay, we have a new release coming out, we know the people at this book publishing house. I think she, there's that. I think publishing houses like submit their upcoming, but I think they also pick the books like six months before they even come out. Like it's so, maybe even like a year,

whenever they have manuscripts. I think the publishing houses that she works with like send the books that they want to nominate for her book club. I think she has readers that read a lot of books. And then I think maybe one or two come to her and she might make the final choice. I think she reads them.

I mean, that's like a dream, in a sense of, can you imagine if you were doing the Redheads and you had all these people that were trickling books up to you and you only had to read the final two. But no, I just feel like sometimes I'm like, I don't know, can I trust it? Is it really good? Or did they just pick it because they have a relationship

with the author and whatever? But that's just me being like, I don't know, can I trust it? Like, is it really good? Or like, did they just like pick it because they have a relationship with the author and like whatever. But that's just me being like, I don't know. Like when you pick a book, I'm like, oh, Jackie picked it. Yeah, well for redheads, it's more of a crap shoot because no one's read it. I'm not saying this is my recommendation. I'm saying like, we're gonna have fun

and it can be open to be being bad. But when I recommend something like on my stories, like I mean it. But I do feel like there are some book clubs that people like, it depends what you like. I mean, obviously some people read everything Oprah picks because they just trust her judgment. They like what she likes.

I find myself really liking the read with Jenna picks. Anytime I read a book that's a read with Jenna book, it's good. I can't say I've had the same experience with Reese's book club. Yeah, I agree. It's not like, but maybe that's just a difference of taste. Like maybe I'm more of a Jenna than a Reese.

I've just also found myself just liking Jenna in general recently. I think like maybe since like Hoda left or whatever, like I just feel like there's so much like, she's being pushed on me so much and I'm just loving what I'm seeing. She's doing a great job. I think so too.

And I think she does a really good job in the book space. I just want you to have a stamp, like on a book. I know. Well, we have our sticker. I have stickers that like I make for myself. Well, send me like a few hundred and I'll start going around the Midwest, just popping them on books.

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Exactly so he is talking about the equal pay earned on White Lotus and how we previously reported and everyone knows this to be true that each actor earned the same amount on White Lotus of $40, reported, and everyone knows this to be true, that each actor earned the same amount on White Lotus of $40,000 an episode. So in an interview with Vulture, he confirmed that every cast member made $40,000 an episode bringing their total pay for the series around 320K. He noted that the sum is actually a very low price

for a hugely successful television series. He said, I didn't know that was public knowledge about the salaries, but he said that's absolutely true. Generally, actors don't talk about pay in public because it's ridiculously disproportionate to what we do, putting on makeup and funny voices and just upsets the public. But compared to what people normally get paid

for big TV shows, that's a very low price. But the fact is, we would have paid to be in it. We probably would have given a body part. So I think it's like refreshing. He seems like every time he talks, I just like love him so much. Like he's such a P-John. And while yes, like this is lower than actors make typically,

especially to be on a hit show on HBO. Like it's still more than most people make in many, many years. Do we have any idea like how much people like normally make to be on like a hit HBO show? Cause like to me, I'm like $320,000. I'm like, that's a lot. Maybe not for A-list, A-list celebrity,

but for just regular actor. That's a lot, no? And I feel like a lot of people who are on the White Lotus are either on their way up or kind of have been forgotten about for a little bit. So it's amazing for their careers. But I also imagine it's such a big cast. You can't pay everyone a million dollars.

Right, because it's like, okay, $40,000 an episode. I'm thinking maybe like $10,000, $20,000, like that would be like, okay, whoa, like that's really, really low. But $40,000, I'm like, it's not bad. It's funny. It's kind of like what like a big reality show would make per episode, probably. Do you think? Is that? Yeah, like I would say when you come into a reality show, you're probably making like $1,500 to $5,000 an episode. And then when you are there for a few years, like I think 40,000 an episode is like a median place to be at.

I think like some of the Vanderpump people buy the, and we're making like 100,000 an episode. Really? Yeah. Wow. Cause it compounds, like the more time you're on the show, that's so many different like contract negotiations that you've been through.

Right, right, right. I know, I think we like, as much as he said, like, you know, like what we do is like put on like makeup and like act silly and all that stuff. I just always think that like they make so much money. And then I think of reality TV as like, you make like no money. So I feel like the $40,000 is more like, yeah, shocking to everyone.

Cause it's like, oh, I thought everyone just makes millions and millions and millions of dollars. Yeah, I feel like reality TV stars actually make a lot of like, I feel like even if they make 20,000 an episode, but their show is even 10 episodes, but usually more than that. It's like 20 episodes. So it's like 200 to $400,000. Just for like film, like for that portion of the year, they film a few months out of the year. So like the rest of the year They're doing other jobs like I feel like that's why when people are like struggling so much or it's like I'm like But where'd all the money go like you've been on the show for 10 years

Yeah, no, I know both because it's especially like when you live in some somewhere like LA though It's like the cost of living and then like the cost of like keeping up with the Joneses I know but I'm like, what are you even doing that looks so, like, you look. Well, yeah, especially with that cast. It's not like anyone's dressing fabulously or driving fancy cars. With like, what, you're like, Birkins.

I'm like, no offense, you all look like shit. Like, and cheap too. And so I'm like, where'd all your money go? I know. And you just think that if you started making an astronomical amount of money, you'd like get some type of financial advisor and just like start investing it,

and then you like don't have to work as much either. But with reality, like, I don't know, like they're all just normal people that they found on the side of the road, and they're like, hey, you wanna make fool yourself on television? Let's go. Yeah.

And then all of a sudden they're rich and they're spending money, they're giving money to probably family members, doing the damn thing, but actors, actors have been working for it. They're serious cats, you know? They are serious. They've been taking their acting classes. I got the biggest itch last night, actually.

You're an actress. Okay, please. I was an actress for three seconds. Do you miss acting? No. With acting, you do a lot of nothing. So like, I remember being like, just like really, really bored, cause you just like wait do a lot of nothing. So I remember being just really, really bored,

because you just wait around a lot. They call it hurry up and wait. And I just remember I'd be on Instagram watching people post and starting blogs and businesses, and I was like, I could do more. I was like, I need to go, go, go. Yeah, what was the show that you were on? I was on Real Bros, the CME Valley,

Jimmy Tatro show for a little bit. And then this show called Betch, that was like a sketch comedy, female sketch comedy show. That one's like, that one's a classic. That one, like my fiance still pulls, like watch Lauren in this. I'm like, oh my God, stop. That's really cute.

I know it probably hurt, like it's painful for you, but like that's what a good fiance should do. No, yeah, he loves talking me up like that. So, you know, you know. But no, I really don't know what I was gonna say. What gave you the ick last night? Oh, okay, so I got the ick in your house last night. It had nothing to do with you.

It's where I experienced it. I was watching Ginny in Georgia, and I was watching maybe the high schooler, one of the guys act, and I had just taken my little CBD gummy to go to bed. So I'm also kinda the high schooler, one of the guys act, and I had just taken my little CBD gummy to go to bed, so I'm also kinda going in and out, and I was just watching grown men act, and I was like, you're freak.

I'm like, you're the biggest loser on the planet. You're telling me you have a normal girlfriend and a normal life, and oh sorry, I gotta go play pretend and cry. I just had this like out of body, I was like watching Ginny and Georgia, and I was like loser, loser, like you're all freaks. No, that's the conclusion that we've come to.

Like to be an actor, working actor, like successful, like you have to be a freak. Like there's no way to be normal. And I think that's why when someone seems normal, like they are so adored, like Glenn Powell seems normal. Yes, Glenn Powell is normal, for sure. But he could, there's no way. I don't know.

I mean, I've met him a couple of times and he was like really outgoing and normal and whatever. Yeah, oh, hold on, let me pick up the name I just dropped. It was really weird though, because he like wanted to like hug up with my friend and not me, so like that was definitely like a blow to the ego. Who was your friend?

Like a your friend? Like an influencer friend? Like an influencer friend. And you don't wanna tell us when was this? It was, oh my God, so- It was in the past. Well actually, I was dating someone else. So maybe that's why I didn't know what to do. I'm overhearing, being like,

why didn't you wanna hug up with me, bitch, you came with someone else. So maybe you did. Let's just go with that. Mamas need every sense of delusion that you can get. He didn't wanna step on toes. No, he didn't wanna step on toes. I'm living in my own delusion,

where I walk down the street with my daughter, besides the whole horror bit that I do in my head, my other bit is I'm like, oh my God, people are staring at me, they're like, who is this young girl? With like, is she a nanny? I see high schoolers passing me, and I'm like, they probably think

I'm a couple years older than them. And I finally have to look in the mirror and be like, listen, you dumb bitch, you are not young. You don't look like a teenager. But you do. When I walk around, I literally am like, oh my God, that guy's checking me out. He's 14.

Oh, okay, no. Okay, Bonnie Blue. I'm like, oh my God, that guy's checking me out. He's 14. Oh, OK. No. OK, Bonnie Blue. I'm like, oh my god, they probably think I'm so cool. And it's like, no, you're an old mom loser. No, there's nothing cooler. Anyway, me with my bump, I'm like, oh my god, they're checking me out. LOL.

You're like, I didn't want to hit on you when I'm pregnant. Like Glenn. Well, now it is time for Dear Toasters, which is our weekly advice segment on you when I'm pregnant. Like Glenn. Well, now it is time for Dear Toasters, which is our weekly advice segment. I'm here to do it with Lauren. I'm so excited. If you ever want to submit to Dear Toasters, you can email us, deartoasters.com or go to the submission form on our website.

It's always anonymous and we're here to help out the Swirlies. So let's get into it. This first one, I'm conflicted. Hey Swirlies, I went on a first date last night and was confused with an interesting situation. In a very open, honest, and respectful way, he told me that he was divorced, not a big deal, and that his marriage had a number of issues, but at the end of the day, he was unfaithful to his wife leading to their divorce.

Now what does one do with this information? Run fast for your mother? It was just a first date so I don't even know how I feel about him or the situation, but as a general rule of thumb, should we be giving cheaters a second chance? People make mistakes, but also, once a cheater, always a cheater? Would love your thoughts. P.S. I'm submitting this to good guys too, because I do think the girlies and guys might look at this differently. I do hope that they pick yours, because I'd love to know their advice, because I too am conflicted. So broad too.

I don't have like strong opinions about cheating, because I just haven't experienced it enough to like, I don't have the experience to say like, oh, that's just a character flaw and like he'll always be that way. A part of me, you know, the forgiving naive part of me wants to be like, people can change. Right. But to cheat on your wife.

I think I am in a phase where I'm very much like, I can't believe you would believe that they're not going to cheat on you. I'm like, no, run. But obviously now saying it into a microphone, I'm like, no, but there's the exceptions to the rule, and people can change, and all this stuff. But when it's my friends in real life,

I'm like, don't be a dumb bitch, he's going to cheat on you, I hate this man. If this was your friend, that's what you would say. Yes, like if it was my friend, and especially like, I think when there's like kids involved, that's when I get like really psycho. I'm like, absolutely not. Like he is a piece of shit who just like

ruined his children's life and his family's life and his wife and all this stuff. But then I'm like thinking about like maybe like a young, like a young person with no kids and like, maybe it was a mistake and like you're like, met this P-John and like, you're like having a great time. Like maybe I would be like, wait, no guys, like he'll change. So it's like, I can't go, like, I'm like, I don't know.

No, and like some people cheat and ruin their lives so completely that they never wanna do it again. Like it's the biggest mistake they've ever made. They've learned the hard way. Like everyone knows not to cheat, but until you really like feel the pain of like what that means, you might not really understand why cheating is so bad.

But like, I think it's possible that he could have had that experience where he lost, I mean, his relationship obviously had other issues, but that it was the biggest mistake of his life, it was the biggest learning lesson, and I do think someone like that wouldn't do it again. That reminds me of Freddie from Love is Blind UK. He was like, seriously?

Oh, see, that's a great example. That's a great example. If you went out with Freddie from Love is Blind UK, yes, he cheated in the past, I don't care. No, like when he said that, I was like, no, like you're fine. You're fine. Like you're good, like give him a chance. You could see how it tore him up inside.

Exactly. And he like hated himself for it. Perfect example, truly. So I would say on the one hand, it's one date, like why are we having these like really hard questions and like worrying about it? He was honest about it too. He was honest about it,. He was honest about it but

like if you're really so worried about this and maybe some people have like cheating trauma where it's like well now you know he's a cheater and you like are always worried about getting cheated on. Maybe you guys aren't right for each other because like your baggage and his baggage like don't mesh. Another great point. But like someone who's coming in open to cheating like not open to cheat. Okay I'm really open to cheating. Not traumatized by cheating. It's not always worried about cheating. It's like more of, it's like has ability to be a little bit more trusting.

Maybe it would be a better match for him. So maybe at this stage, like maybe you guys shouldn't even go into liking each other because maybe these issues will come up. But if like you got like a Freddie from Love is Wine UK vibe from him where this was like the biggest mistake he ever made and like it was good

because it taught him that he will never cheat again. And also there's like emotional cheating and the physical cheating. So like maybe he just like got drunk and like hooked up and like, oh my God, whatever. Like there is so many caveats to it, but I think Freddie from Love is Blind is the map for you. You know what I mean?

But he could also be the exception to the rule and like most likely. But everyone thinks they're the exception to the rule. I know. And as could also be the exception to the rule and like most likely. But everyone thinks they're the exception to the rule. I know. And as someone that is the exception to the rule, I'm like, no, please, like don't like. You're the exception to which rule? To getting pregnant and then getting married after

and like actually having like a really incredible fiance and like amazing like love story. Like guys, like got really lucky, like don't know like what karma I deserved. But like everyone else I'm like, don't trust it. Don't do it that way. Don deserved, but like everyone else I'm like, don't trust it. Don't do it. Don't trust it. Yeah, I'm like, don't do it. How long were you met together before you got pregnant?

I don't know, like four or five, six months. So like not long. Reminds me of Lindsay Hubbard a little bit. Do you relate to her? I mean, not really. I love her. No, just I'm saying like, I mean, they were like, just, I feel-

They just broke up? Because they do, well, yes, but I think they weren't compatible. And I think that watching her on reality TV and watching her kind of feel the same way about every single guy. And so I just couldn't like really trust what she was saying and then we like didn't get to meet him.

Right, so you didn't see the turner would be different. Yeah, I didn't see how he would be different. So I wasn't sure. I understand. That's how I vibe. Yeah. I understand. So you're saying you wouldn't recommend people do it this way. It's obviously worked out for you,

but you're the exception. Correct, but I don't believe in everyone's the exception. Because we're girls. I'm just a girl, of course I think I'm gonna be the exception to the rule. No, but odds, just numbers wise, you're probably not gonna be the exception. And if this isn't the great love of your life, just like-

No, and it's one date. Unless it's a tiny town, he's the only single person. Trust your gut. Yeah. Trust your gut. But I just wanna say like, it's possible that people can change. Yeah.

It's hard, but sure. Next, a little bridal advice we need from Miss XLE. My fiance is from South Carolina and comes from a very traditional Southern family. I've been looking at wedding dresses and I am concerned they will think whatever I choose isn't appropriate. We are getting married in a church for reference. I'm not looking for anything too sexy or revealing, but I like an open back or a sleeveless dress.

How should I approach this? Thanks, Swirly. Approach it to who? To approach it to whatever she picks out. She just is like nervous. Is open back too revealing for a church? I don't think so. I mean, like I've had friends get married

with like strapless, like I think it just like depends on like, you're like, I've had one friend like where we all had to wear like little shawls or like you can wear something and like cover it up and then like take it off after you leave church. I think it just depends on like your church, your preferences, like stuff like that. But I feel like she said the family thing

about the family and another thing that I think being a mom and being older has made me, I'm like, I don't give a fuck. Like who, yeah. Like what, oh you're gonna run it by your mother-in-law, like your mom, like your crazy aunt, like bye. I don't care, come if you want, come or don't. I would say go with the dress that like you feel best in cause everyone has like a certain shape

that suits their body, whatever that is. Yeah, and the open back is like. Yeah, and what I will also say in something that I did is like for my ceremony and like being married under a chuppah, my dress was strapless. And then I had like, I used part of like the tool to give me um like a little to cover my my chest and my arms I can't remember if I wound up wearing that for the ceremony I think I

might have forgotten and then like didn't care but that was my plan I think a lot of girls do that to use those stuff from your dress yeah is to like put something cover you in the church and I think that will like signal that you're being respectful and then then for the party, you get to wear the dress that you want. But like you do wanna be respectful in a church. You obviously like have reverence for your religion and you don't wanna show up in something that's inappropriate.

But I think maybe like covering up or a shawl, a shrug. There are a lot of different things. If you go to a bridal salon and you say like, how could I make this more modest for half the day? They will help you do that. They can use material that they've cut from the back and like make you something. And then for the party, you're help you do that. They can use material that they've cut from the back and like make you something. And then for the party,

you're wearing the dress that you want. I feel like that's like a good solution. And it shows that like you have respect and you like care about what they think and you're not trying to like piss them off and like shame them. But it also shows that you're your own person. Right, and you like, you're clearly asking.

So like you already care. You care, yeah. It's not like you're like someone that's throwing up two middle fingers. I'm like someone that's- This isn't how you wanna start off your marriage. You know, thrown up two middle fingers. Right. I'm just someone that's where I'm like, okay, like you had to stop the people pleasing at some point where it's like, you know,

I'm sure your open back dress isn't like down to your like butt crack. Yeah. Like your like crack might like, I've worn dresses like that where it's like, whoa, this is like really low. So I'm sure it's like probably like not even that like scandalous or you wouldn't even be considering wearing it.

And if you're worried about what other people at the wedding will think about that, that's gonna trickle into every single decision you make for your wedding anyway. What are they gonna think about the food? What are they gonna think about the, it's like at some point, the main thing about the wedding

that I always go back to is this is about me and Matt. I naturally love hosting people and gonna take care of everyone, but ultimately I'm gonna take care of everyone, but like ultimately like, I'm gonna take care of everyone in our way. Like it's about just like getting married to the love of your life. And if you have to like wear a shrug at church,

because you're getting married in the church, that's cool too. Like it's fine. And I think like for most of the things about a wedding, you're doing it for other people. Like you want music they're gonna like, who they're gonna eat. The dress is the one thing that's for you and you alone.

And it's like the complete representation of like who you are. So go with the dress that you want. Even if it's open back, like what about a veil that's like really long and covers your back. And then you take it off outside the church and like mom's having a fun night out.

I think that you could be flexible on this and like please everyone while also not losing yourself. I just can't imagine that the dress is like too scandalous either. I feel like it's probably just like maybe like a little bit of skin and you're just like nervous. But I think we get like you gave good veil, shrug, love.

I need to look at my ceremony pictures. I think I wore it, but it was just tool wrapped around my chest. That's genius. Yeah, and my whole dress was tools, super cute. And then you have like two different looks. Yeah. I love it.

Next one. This is from a new mama.. Yeah. I love it. Next one. This is from a new mama. Good morning. I heard a fellow toaster on a previous dear toasters who was still pregnant and not having sex, which made me write in. Yes, and I remember we had a someone, she was like seven months pregnant

and like she didn't want to have sex. She was like- Post for business. Wanted to know if like she was being crazy. So this made her write in. She said, I'm seven months postpartum. My husband and I haven't had sex since we conceived It took us a while to get pregnant. So sex for a while became a chore and emotionally exhausting I don't feel in the mood quite literally ever or comfortable in my new body

I have stretch marks on my belly weight gain, etc And I know I just grew in birth an actual human But somehow I feel so guilty and feel like this is not fair to my husband So oh to not be having sex with him. Yeah. Now we're so far out, it's awkward to even initiate or speak on it. Help, do I just bite the bullet and take one for the team with the lights off, of course,

or just wait it out till I'm comfortable in my new body and get the urge again? Thanks, a postpartum, tired and sexless toaster. This is tough. This is tough. Because it's like, you don't wanna be like, yeah, just like go like do it. But I feel like sometimes like as a girl,

you almost have to like initiate and just start so that you like end up in the mood and you like end up getting there. Yeah. Because seven months, like, I mean, it took me a while because I had all my situation downstairs. Right. And it's like, I still don't feel, I'm like, what?

She'll be two. I still don't feel like 100% like what, she'll be two? I still don't feel like 100% like great about everything going on down there, especially when it comes to like having sex. It's like, oh my God, like, you know, you have like trauma, like of something like getting ripped out of your body and like you're like self-conscious. But I mean, after seven months,

I feel like you actually might not realize it might make you actually feel more connected to your husband and feel good and like it might be you actually feel more connected to your husband and feel good and like it might be a little bit more in your head, maybe you have to get out of your own way. Almost. Yeah, that's what I think there's like two things, like one, like not being like comfortable in your body,

which it's like, but we all feel that way. And it's not the greatest feeling, but that's why he's your husband. Like he loves you for who you are. And I think he can appreciate your body for what it's given him. And I imagine that he's a good man. So like, you have to get out of your head about that.

But it also, I guess you're like back in this like awkward stage of like, how do you initiate it? And I feel like doing something like special, like maybe a little trip, maybe a weekend sexy trip, maybe you could always like go out to dinner and like try. But I think like Martin, not just like one night trying to like stir something up, but like getting overall like in the mood

of like just being flirty with each other and going on a date and like setting the mood. Sometimes it's like the lead up of the entire day before you have sex at night. That's actually like the form of like just like being more flirtatious in the morning and like making little comments, like setting the stage of like,

oh, like she's like into this, like making like little jokes. And it can even if like, if you were like, oh, she's into this, making little jokes. And it can, even if you were like, okay, well, I don't have a babysitter, I can't take a trip, I can't do this, just light a bunch of candles. There's candles that are like $10 on Amazon. Like just something that you're trying

to make yourself feel more in the mood, if that's what you want. Or for me, it's literally just, I have to communicate. It's like you have to figure out what your thing is that makes you feel comfortable and sometimes mine is like either just going for it or communicating like hey I gotta get this off my chest. I gotta tell you how I'm feeling because then it's like it's released. Like I've been feeling self-conscious.

I haven't felt like having sex. I feel really guilty because I want you to know that I love you and I do feel like having sex with you. I mean communication it's always like down there on the list of like- I like projectile. But no, that's also a nice idea. I guess it depends what kind of like, some people don't like to talk about these things.

So it depends on like your communication style and like, and your relationship. But if you just wanna like do a grand gesture, and I think doing like a trip or something, I mean, it just, I guess at seven months, like it's possible if you have like good childcare or like family that can watch your baby, like you can go away for two nights,

even one night. And that's your way of communicating, like, I think we need this. And then it's just message received. Assuming that he's very patient and he's been giving you time and space and he deserves a little love. And you will feel better after.

Right. You're gonna have to force yourself to create the conditions. But I think once you're gonna have to force yourself to like create the conditions. Yeah. But I think once you're in those, like vacations are romantic. A dinner is like spending one-on-one time with your partner after you have a seven month old

and you've just been through the Newborn trenches. Like you will feel differently if you like take a moment to get out of your routine, get all dressed up like, and feel special. And we're not telling you that you have to have sex by the way. If you don't feel like having sex, don't do it that you have to have sex, by the way. If you don't feel like having sex, don't do it.

But- I think communicating that is a good idea. Yeah, I think don't feel bad that you haven't had sex yet. I think everybody is different and everybody's body is different. So don't be like, oh my God, wait, I should have wrote into Dear Toasters three months ago and done this already.

No, you're good. Seven months postpartum is like really not that crazy. It's really not crazy. But it's a good time to get back into it. Right, and I think it's like the push you need is just being like, okay, like I actually like wanna feel connected to my husband. Yeah.

And maybe like you wanna have another baby. Me, I was literally about to say that. Maybe you wanna have a baby, start, get back on that horse. It's round two. See how it rides for the second time. Who knows? Like think about it as like, oh, I want another baby.

Guess I gotta fuck. Sometimes that's what does it. Yeah, and that could be the motivating factor for you. Yeah, whatever gets you back on the horse. Giddy up my girly swirly. But if all else fails, talking about it and letting him know that like, you know that this is probably not his favorite

and like that you're wanting to like work on things and get to a better place about it, like I think he would appreciate that too. If like no one's saying anything about it. Yeah, and it's like, it's not like men understand women postpartum. So it's like, he probably has like no idea what's going on.

For me, I wouldn't be like, I want you to know how hard this is for me. Like, do you not understand how different I feel in my body? Like I'm like, I wouldn't be like, I want you to know how hard this is for me. Do you not understand how different I feel in my body? I'm communicating to make you feel bad for me. To him, you look the same. Yeah, oh yeah. He like, dude, I was gonna be really vulgar for a second, but he just wants to fuck, dude.

You're good. He's not looking at your belly now, but really, you look the same to him. Yeah, you're fine. You're great actually. You're great, make it fun. And if you don't wanna do it, like just communicate it. But if you do like, you know, plan a little weekend.

A little booty slap during the day. I think that would also just like mean so much. And even if like whatever happens on your little trip, like if you went to the effort of like finding childcare for one or two nights, getting a hotel, like planning a little trip. I don't know where you guys live, getting a hotel, planning a little trip. I don't know where you guys live, but if they're a little beach fate, whatever.

Oh my God, if I did that, Matt would be like, oh my God, like head over heels. The last 15 months of sexless life washed away. Oh, and I know what I'm doing when I get home. Well, good luck to you. Please, if anyone ever wants to send us an update, that would always be much appreciated. But I just- I wanna know when you fuck, let us know.

Let us know when it goes, how it goes. Thank you so much, Lauren Elizabeth, for your help with the toasters community. Absolutely. And for today's episode, this was so much fun. And you're back with me tomorrow, because we have another slumber party tonight. You're gonna be at my house. Yes, it's true.

We have a big day. We have a big day. So you'll be joining me again tomorrow. So sorry. And we're gonna have a ball. Listeners. Such a classic toasty energy, CTE. Yes.

Well, thank you so much for having me. CTE. CTE. Well, thank you so much for having me. I'm gonna go. Where can everyone follow you? Lauren Elizabeth on everything. You can shop laurenelizabetshop.com.

Get yourself some cute home decor. We're a little sold out right now, but we got some good things coming. Good things coming. Well, we love you all and we will see you tomorrow. Love ya, bye. Bye.