The Toast - Speak Now TV vs. SV: Friday, July 7th, 2023

Episode Date: July 7, 2023

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Good morning, Millennials! Welcome back to the Toast and a Happy Hour! I'm gonna do a little jazz scat version. Friday, scat, scat, Friday, scuba-do-da-down on Friday. Alright, that didn't work the way that I wanted to do. No, people are gonna think that the podcast is skipping. Yeah. No, seriously, they are.

You guys, the podcast isn't skipping. The toast is here. And it's Friday. Finally. The longest, shortest week of all time. You know what doesn't make sense? This week. This week.

Yeah, no. We need to put this week behind us. Like, we thought it was going to be something that it wasn't. So true. Like, we kind of were hoodwinked. Yeah. But now we know and we've learned and we can move forward with these lessons and we can do better we can do better for next year

and I think we're also anxious to get the week over with because of Turdy Lou's birthday so true so we can get this you know really truly treacherous milestone and put it behind us no so we can enjoy the festivities to the fullest. Turdy Lou is 29 and still growing up now. Facts. Facts. Today is also more importantly not to make everything about me so I won't. Today's Olivia's birthday. Our eldest sister. Our wisest sister. Our most beautiful sister. She doesn't even listen to the podcast and she's taking like a little vacation for her birthday, so she's certainly not supporting her sisters while on vacation.

But on the off chance that she sees this or hears this. Sorry, just hears. Today's audio only. Olivia. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you I won't torture everyone with the whole song But happy birthday Olivia

We love you We do love you And I actually think she will listen today To see if we talked about her And her birthday I know this is like the pot calling the kettle black But our sisters are so self-involved Like the way they only listen to the podcast

When we talk about them Like we're hilarious We provide other value No but she loves the show and she does watch when she has the time so it's I don't have a bone to pick with her quite like the snitch the snitch who is so poised to be a toaster yet it's so true like she's always has airpods and she's always working she could do a little like split screen toast. She's also like obsessed with pop culture. Olivia really isn't.

So you're right. Like if Margot wasn't our sister, she would be a toaster. And the fact that she is our sister and she's not like that's fucking rude. It is. We should launch another podcast like under aliases. Yes.

That's like still fire flames. Same deal. And watch how she would listen that is a really interesting proposition and I'm extremely down for it let's do all that work just to get our sister to listen to us to notice us if you have a little sis like you know that's actually not the craziest idea so true well happy birthday Olivia And it's also Speak Now TV day. It is Speak Now TV day. And what's so interesting, like if Olivia was a Swifty, she would be quaking.

As you know, there's so many numbers in, you know, Taylor Swift is much like Gematria, if you know what that is. There's so many numbers in the Taylor Swift universe that have important meaning. In Speak Now, there's a few numbers that are dates, ages, you know, that July 9th, the beat of your heart. July 9th is a big day for the Swifty community. The age 32 is a big day for the Speak Now community. So the fact that Olivia's birthday is the day that Speak Now came out, comes out, and she's 32 and still growing up now. She can't even appreciate it I'm so jealous you

should just like write her a caption that I did like a birthday caption for her to post that encapsulates these things and just be like by the way free idea people will love it if she listens to this episode here's your caption Olivia 32 and still growing up now like that's the lyric that's that's the that's the caption okay I love that um do we have a story about we do we have a story about the news that speak now tv is making so we'll put all of our thoughts into that so far I all of our thoughts and prayers I did not stay up so I've been listening for like the last 20-25 minutes and what I don't like to do is to listen to an album out of order but I've been forced to do that so that I could listen to like the key songs you know The Vaults, The Better Than Revenge and my favorite song from the album Dear John.

Oh okay so I went in the order of I immediately went to Better Than Revenge then I went to Last Kiss to see if the shaky breath was there. Spoiler alert, it was not. What does that mean? So in Last Kiss on the first version of Speak Now, the now stolen version, in the bridge. Is that what the fans are calling the old versions, the stolen version? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that.

Now it's called like stolen version scooter version like stolen it's SV SV exactly um in the bridge of last kiss um let me think exactly where it is it's like Taylor Swift and she actually has said recently this week that last kiss is the saddest song she's ever written and she's so young when she's singing it on the original track. She's like, clearly there's like a lot of emotion in it. And in the bridge, she has this like really shaky breath right before. It's like really sad. It sounds like she's about to cry. And people were like, I hope she recreates the shaky breath. It's a very small detail that the Swifty community became obsessed with. It goes like this. No, you guys would never. I hope the sun shines and it's a beautiful day and something reminds you you wish you had stayed you can plan for a change in the weather and time but I never planned on you changing your mind

it wasn't like that I was just trying to make the microphone pick up it's like so and there was no shaky breath on last kiss oh you know that is such a good song yeah it's really one of her best I was talking to the snatcher the other day and she just like couldn't possibly see where I was coming from and I'm so happy for the Swifty community and you know I feel like a lot of like diehard Swifties these days are younger than some of the older. But like when Speak Now came out, Speak Now Stolen Version, I was 18. Like prime girlhood, you know, all of those things.

And this album is just like so much a part of like my young adult life. Like Kristen just texted me like about a memory from us listening to Speak Now. And I'm just like, the whole album is memories for me. And Margo was like, it was for me too. I'm like, bitch, you were 12. No, by the way, facts. Bitch, you were 12. Like who were you kissing with your last kiss?

No, I just, okay, now I know Margo is gonna listen to today's episode because I have something crazy to say. Margo is a huge Swifty. And I don't want to, you know, delegitimize that. I'm scared. But Margo became like an insane Swifty like a few years ago. Like, let's just call it what it is.

Like, I just want to say, like, even though like we clown on you because you're not like as diehard as us like you and I were like in high school listening like Margot like knew Taylor Swift of course and like listened to a lot of her music especially through us but she became like staying up until midnight type of girl like a few years ago a hundred percent I feel like she would maybe admit that I mean who knows what she used to do with, like, her password secret journal. But. No, but I remember, like, the months when Margot, like, became an activated Swifty. Like, I remember noticing.

And we were adults. I was like, oh, yes. Go off queen. I love that for you. It was, like, recent history. Yeah. I want to say it might even be, like, lover. Oh, no.

You know what? Maybe reputation. Yeah. But you're not going to like what I have to say. And I honestly don't know if I should even say it to like start this episode on say it this foot say it like you became an activated Swifty in recent memory and I would say reputation okay ready ready I can rebut that's such a lie first of all because uh where did we go for my 21st birthday? Yeah, we went to the Taylor Swift concert because that's like a fun thing to do for your birthday.

No, because I was a diehard Swifty even in 1989. Like I have been here. I have been here for an extremely long time. Like I own all the albums. Like I was listening nonstop on my iPod. A fan of her music in the same way that I was. But like you didn't become like, you know, activated Swifty, staying up till midnight, like laying your life on the line for Taylor until I would say the reputation era. That's just such a lie. Like that's such a lie. Such a lie. Okay.

Like explain how I literally, my god no the way I used to stream well not stream listen on a loop to Mary's song oh my my my from debut like I was there from the beginning you're always a fan of her music like in the same way that I was I would even accept that we were the same level of fans of her music but But I am not an activated Swifty. And that's a road that you went down. I guess what would it be now? Like six years ago? Okay fine.

I'll allow the slander to assess. That yes around 1989 I became like demonic. Fine. Yeah and you like started a Swifty fan account. And you started participating in like Swifty things. I was you like started a swifty a fan account and that and you started participating in like swifty things I wasn't like tumblr swifty like briefly before that but okay fine sure that's all I'm saying sure what I was saying about Margo was like you know what I'm not getting into this because Margo's gonna be mad at me for like you know trying to like be competitive

and saying that like I invented Taylor Swift yeah Anyways all I was saying is bitch you were 12. Like who were you kissing? Bitch you were 12. Never stop being ever last. I'm excited to listen to the whole album Relive the Memories. I also am excited to dive into the story where we talk about Speak Now because I have like kind of a hot take. I can't wait to hear it. I mean we could dilly dally for a while which is always fun. We could. But the stories like I do feel like we need to get into Speak Now TV.

The rest of the stories are really good and then we're going to recap Kardashians with the fifth and final story because we have some Kardashian news. And I have a notes app list of bullet points that things I want to talk about. Like Kardashians was an amazing episode. I actually had to write things down for what I needed to remember. That's so exciting. Yeah. Okay. So if there's nothing else.

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promo code toast you'll get 30 off plus free shipping on all orders over 50 dollars thank you claudia first story speak now taylor's version is here headline news is that she has changed the misogynistic lyrics on better than revenge we all know in the original track from 2010 she said she's not a saint and she's not what you think she's an actress whoa she's better known for the things that she does on the mattress whoa however for this version she swapped out the latter part of the verse with he was a moth to the flame she was holding the matches whoa that was terrible that was really off pitch like oh my god okay wait hold on let me do the whole lyric she's not a saint and she's not what you think she's an actress whoa

he was a moth to a flame she was holding the matches whoa okay our girl is struggling why is it so hard for me to do that well I do want to say like this lyric was leaked um and I could not figure out like how it fit into the iambic pentameter. I was like, he, and now when I heard it, it totally fits. It is like a strange lyric. It's not, it doesn't really fit in my opinion, but I'm just more so angry that our girl changed the lyric. And I get it, you know, those were different times.

Like that's what we used to do. We used to just like shame other women and we don't do that anymore, especially Taylor's, you know, a proud feminist. Like I get it. I'm so angry. I'm so hurt. I'm so disappointed that this lyric is gone. Not because I like crave slut shaming but like my god who fucking cares. Like it was literally 10 years ago. She hasn't changed one singular lyric on any of the re-recordings and like I get why she did it but like come on it's such an iconic lyric also like these these albums are like time capsules so like her re-recording them and not changing a single thing at first I was like oh this is boring like

these re-records but it's actually it's what's it's what should be done and it's what it's what's meant to be done so that we can continue to listen to all of our favorite you know teenage songs but you know they're Taylor's version and they remain unchanged I hate this I can't lie I hate yeah I understand where you're coming from I also understand why she did it I feel like it would be so incongruous to who she is now to like double down on the mattress dig yeah but they are time capsules and I feel like it just sets this precedent of like okay so now if I have like a problem with any lyric like is Taylor gonna change that for me right right I'm just I heard rumors about it but I'm like there's no way because I remember when we were talking about her first re-release Fearless

I thought maybe she was gonna change a lyric um to I think it's and that's no way. Because I remember when we were talking about her first re-release, Fearless, I thought maybe she was going to change a lyric to, I think it's, and that's the way I loved you. Oh, he talk, wait, he's close to my mother and talks business with my father. And before we knew, she wasn't going to change anything ever in these re-records. I'm like, I could see her actually flipping those roles because like women, you know, men, business, whatever whatever but she didn't so she just kind of set the precedent for like nothing changes yeah but now and now something's changed now the precedent has changed is what's changed yeah I'm I'm not thrilled with it and you know who I blame who Gloria Steinem I saw people on Twitter blaming Lena Dunham her too yeah I just like it's okay not everything has to be like perfect and PC like you can be problematic

when you were a teenager who was angry about a girl who stole your boyfriend like you're it's okay right and also like this isn't going to change anything like that girl the actress she's finished regardless. Camilla Bell, go to her Instagram. I went last night. The comments, the Swifties are deeply unwell people. Are they mad at her? Yeah, like, not you making us change better than Revenge lyrics.

Oh, my God, they're not okay. Like, literally, that girl's career was never the same after this song. Never the same. And not the Swifties, like, victim blaming. No, literally, they're they're wrong categorically wrong no 100 they're incredibly unwell yeah so I just feel like the damage is done is what it is you know what is the damage it's done so you might as well you might as well um okay now let's talk about the album in general here is my incredibly hot take

when okay so I remember with like fearless and red when I listened to the re-recording specifically which one came first fearless right yeah um I remember feeling like kind of let down when I first started listening to the non-vault songs because I'm like this sounds exactly the same and then you know with a little perspective I was like good these songs should sound the same we want to be able to like stream these feeling good but like being able to have that element of nostalgia they did not sound different at all yeah it's like she's making a moment out of these re-recordings but they're really just meant to like replace the songs in your playlist. Yes. So that Scooter's not making the money.

Yes. So I expected the same type of feeling. Am I the only one who feels like Speak Now Taylor's version sounds so different. Her voice is clearly so mature but that really like wasn't an issue for Fearless and Red and and Fearless was when she was even younger so like I was like what is going on and I just I don't know this one didn't it just feels it feels weird I can't explain it like I haven't listened to enough to say yes or no but Snitch did post like her favorite song in the world is Long Live and she like said Long Live was not long living that Taylor sounds kind of angry and it's not as magical as the original version.

And like certain like very small subtle changes like on how long she holds a note or she just kind of changes the pitch a little bit like she like was making changes on Speak Now like why? And I also felt like I listened to Better Than than revenge to hear the new lyric and I felt like it was almost like rushed a little bit I feel like she was like rushing through the lyrics like kind of like toss aways yeah I don't know there's something that feels off about speaking on tv which I and I can't precisely put my finger on it but I will say and why I always wait up I wouldn't wait up till midnight to hear the same songs I've heard 30 times. I wait up for the Vault songs.

And the Vault songs are really interesting. I think there's like five or six with Paramore, well, not Paramore, Hayley Williams and Fall Out Boy. And Ben was listening with me and he loves that type of music. So we were listening together. He loved the Fall Out Boy one. It's called Electric Touch. It's so like rocker, you know?

loved the Fall Out Boy one. It's called Electric Touch. It's so like rocker, you know? And the Hayley Williams one like kind of flopped. Me and Ben were like, this is so not Paramore. And it's not supposed to be Paramore because it's on Taylor's album. But like you would hope when two people collab, like they bring their energies. I don't know. I really did not like the Hayley Williams one. But, and I don't see enough people talking about when Emma falls in love. Like, that to me is a pristine work of art. And I think a lot of people believe it to be about Emma Stone and Andrew Garfield,

because I think Emma and Taylor were, like, really close during Speak Now era. And that's when she, like, fell in love with Andrew Garfield, Spider-Man, et cetera. And it's really, like, such a cute, beautiful song. And a lot of the Vault songs are, like, extremely long, like, four or five minutes, which I love. A lot of the songs on this album are long it was just like a long-winded

album last kiss is like six minutes yeah dear john I think is like seven yeah it's a long-winded album it's an amazing album yeah I didn't listen to the paramore one yet but what is the reasoning for collabing with paramore and fallout boy on this album like she could do it with any artist like what is the backstory do you know I don't know but I feel like the collabs on um the vault tracks are like symbolic of where Taylor was at musically during that time so like with you know Fearless she had Keith Urban and Maren Morris like she was clearly doing a country album with Red she had Chris Stapleton I think that's it right yeah oh no yeah yeah um I don't know what that means right but with with this one like Taylor was like growing up and a lot of the um songs on Speak Now are like very rockery a little bit. Like haunted. And I feel like that was like what Taylor was listening to as like inspo during that time. Like emo angsty.

Yeah, giving like secondhand serenade energy, you know? Do you think if Panic! at the Disco was still together, they would have gotten that track? No, because Taylor's done like a lot of like a big song with Brendon Urie. Right, but she loves him. He's one of her guys. He is, but they haven't like been publicly linked in a while. And I do believe there were some like weird accusations made about Brendan Urie.

So maybe she's just like taking a step back. Interesting. It's impossible to keep up. Yeah, but I think people have been begging for a Fall Out Boy Taylor Swift collab ever since they performed together at the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show. She came out and performed,

Letters keep lighting with their bump. So then another pretty angel's time. Subscars from tomorrow that I wish you could see. That you're the antidote to everything except for me. When did she perform with them? Was it during Speak Now times? It was. Or no, was she like 1989?

No. Oh, yes. She sang Style. times it was or no was she like 1989 no oh yes she sang style okay oh no she's saying I knew you were trouble wait hold on she performed at the I knew you were trouble what year 2013 speak now came out when 2010 2010 yeah so no okay unrelated just a fun fact unrelated yeah but I have to imagine that the choices for collabs like is indicative of where Taylor was at during that time like what was she she inspired by yeah while also being influenced by her today because she's not going to work with people that she wouldn't stand by today yes so I've only listened to the vault tracks like fully twice it's literally been I've been awake for two hours since Taylor to speak now came out like give me a break yeah no it's a lot everyone's like rate your vault tracks I'm like shut up I know that's the hard part about being in this in the fandom I know

the pressure it gets to be too much well it's an exciting day for Swifties and it'll be a fun weekend reliving I mean nothing will ever be better than like the red re-release that just maybe because it was all too well 10 minute version like it just gave us so much I bet you think about me music video there was so much given yeah I mean I was like kind of hoping for like a dear John 10 minute version you know I feel like she could go on I yeah yeah but I don't think she wants to do that to John like that would do exactly what all too well 10 minuteminute version did to Jake because we got new, new information to be mad about. Also, have you seen that John Mayer

is, like, opening on tour for Ed Sheeran? Yeah. Which feels like Taylor gave her blessing, no? Like, I don't think Ed Sheeran would go behind her back and do that. Yeah. That's not so crazy to me that she would be, like, moved on.

Over it, yeah hopefully or maybe they'll get back together I was really hoping half of my heart would be a vault song with featuring John Mayer you know yeah that's like the worst part of what John did to Taylor like neither one of them ever acknowledges the absolute masterpiece that they created together. Half of my heart is a shotgun, wet into a bride with a paper ring. Ooh. Half of my heart is the part of a man who's never truly loved anything. So good. So good.

So enjoy Speak Now this weekend. If anyone has any further thoughts, feel free to share. Please. Please do. Including you, Turdy Lou. Idy lou i will i mean my god can i get some time i know like everyone calm down we'll regroup on tuesday i've only been here for two fucking days but it's also like a fun little birthday treat for you it is it's it's treaty vibes and i feel like there's still more surprises coming you know she doesn't just release there's probably music videos maybe at the concert maybe like someone's coming out right right right like Hayley Williams boy yeah yeah I would love that but she usually gives people more time to learn her new songs before she plays them like she released hits

different and played it like a few weeks later she likes people to be able to like chant the lyrics which I wholeheartedly appreciate yeah but you know if you're going to her next show like they are on az lyrics right now study study they are studying I'm not they're pulling all nighters yeah our next story is the most random story Victor Webinyama, who is an NBA player, claims Britney Spears grabbed him from behind before his security's alleged assault. So Britney Spears alleged that she was slapped by a member of the San Antonio Spurs security team during an encounter with the NBA player.

Victor Webinyama candidly addressed the situation in front of reporters. He said, I saw the news. I woke up to a couple phone calls. Something did happen a little bit when I was walking with some of the security team to some restaurant. We were in a hall and there was a lot of people, so people were calling me, obviously. He recalled hearing one person call his name repeatedly but did not stop after being told by security that stopping would make a large crowd form. He said, that person grabbed me from behind. I didn't see what happened because I was walking straight and they told me don't stop.

But that person grabbed me from behind, grabbed on my shoulder. She grabbed me from behind so I just know that security pushed her away. I don't know. I don't know with how much force but security pushed her away. I didn't stop to look so I kept walking and enjoyed a nice dinner. He didn't know that it was Britney Spears until a few hours later. I have like so many thoughts and my first first thought was like, I cannot hear this story about Victor Webinyama because Ben's best friend's name is Victor Webberman. And I'm like,

what is Victor doing in Vegas? Okay. First of all, second of all, I'm like, why? I was asking Ben a thousand questions because I'm like, why the fuck would Britney know? Like, I never heard of this person. I'm like, why would any, Why would Brittany know who this random NBA player was. And Ben's like he's not random. He's like the next LeBron. He's 7'6". He's like so major. I'm like okay that makes more sense. Okay.

If like you're even remotely into basketball you would know. Like I know who LeBron James is you know. So I get that. Now I don't understand why like anyone's security would slap someone. Like I understand like maybe shoving or like holding them back but like a slap that's like what you do to your sister when she steals your jeans yeah but I feel like it could be honestly it's giving like Sheena and Markel it's like was it a shove a slap an elbow there's a lot of different ways to describe like the forceful

push of someone yeah so I don't know that it's like a slap across the face like you think. Okay. Yeah. I was thinking actually more. I was also thinking of Vanderpump Rules reference when Stassi backhanded Chris and Dodie. They were sitting next to each other in that booth. Yeah. But like if you took your – if you palmed someone's like shoulder and pushed them,

like is that a slap on the shoulder? Kind of. Yeah. So I think it's just, like, the language. Yeah, and Britney's, like, so funny, like, just going up to someone. Like, you have your own security. Why don't you, like, arrange a meeting, you know? No, it's such.

She just got excited. An odd story. It's incredibly bizarre. I hope Britney's, like, okay. Yeah. I don't know what to think here this is just confusion central like and what I guess like I don't know who doesn't recognize Britney Spears he wasn't looking but also the security guards you know I guess it's like on them but still if they saw it's Britney

Spears they're gonna there's already a crowd following him they're gonna stop everyone like bring Britney into the fold now it's not just like oh my god it's Victor it's Britney Spears, there's already a crowd following him. They're going to stop everyone, like bring Britney into the fold. Now it's not just like, oh my God, it's Victor. It's Britney too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Britney was just like roaming around these restaurants like kind of unattended. I don't know. The more you think about it, it's so many questions.

Right. And like Britney being a very public figure herself would know like if you're walking with security and you try to touch someone, like it's not going to go your way. Yeah, but she's Britney, so she's like no one's going to touch me. Yeah. Perhaps. It's very bizarre. It is.

I hope that they can, you know, have a rapprochement and Britney can get her fangirl moment. Her photo with Victor Webinyama. Yeah. Wishing everyone the best. Agreed. Are you ready for our next story? Mm-hmm. Vanderpump Rules star Ariana Maddox

will be joining Dancing with the Stars next season 32. This season on Dancing with the Stars, we are going absolutely mad, mad for Maddox. Wait, it's season 32 and still growing up now uh Derek Hough said introducing her he said say goodbye to the drama and hello to the dance floor uh this was like heavily speculated like while the whole scantinball thing was like at

its peak and then a few days ago Derek Hough was at something about her they were like filming some stuff so they did not keep this a secret very well and I feel like they actually usually keep the Dancing with the Stars cast like they keep that secret very well yeah well who knows who the rest of the cast is but I also feel like sometimes they'd like to have like a couple teasers to get you interested in yeah listening to who the other people are. Yeah, I don't watch Dancing with the Stars, especially after they moved off cable. So this is, like, cool for Ariana, but I don't know. I feel like she's honestly, like, more famous now

than Dancing with the Stars. Yeah, but I still think it's, like, probably a really cool experience and a challenge. I feel like everyone who does it, like, comes out of it, like, as if they just, like, trained for the Marines. And not in, like, not in a dramatic way. Like, there's something about it that's, like, extremely challenging for people. There's something about her.

Sorry. I'm so curious who the rest of the cast is going to be, who her partner is going to be. Maybe a love match. Maybe a love match. She has a boyfriend right now. And they they're like, you know, loved up. Yeah. But I just don't feel like she should really be tied down because like she's in her season.

She's in her season. She's more famous than she's ever been. Like maybe she could date someone like famous. Yeah. Wouldn't that be fun? Yeah. Even just a little fling? Even just a little fling. Even just a little fling.

This is good for her. I like this. And you're right. People do always come off of Dancing with the Stars. Like they're extremely fit always. Oh yeah. And they've got like injuries and bruises to prove it. No. And it's like either you got out like week one, two or three and you're like, oh my God, you know, I'm a Titan of industry, but that was the hardest thing I've ever done. Yep. Or you go till the end and you are like extremely fit, swole, six pack, like you're going to do the Olympics next. Yeah. Or like if you literally had like four pounds to lose, they put you on the cover of People

Magazine being like the Dancing with the Stars diet changed my life. Honestly, I need the Dancing with the Stars diet. Honestly, whenever I watch even one second of Dancing with the stars I'm like I would never fucking do this like the way that their feet are bleeding and they're up at that for Lauren's studio like at 6 a.m every day until show day like kill me no that's something I would do that's like you're up for the challenge I'm up for the challenge and I think I would enjoy it. And then like the weight loss like wouldn't hurt. Of course not. Neither would being called the star.

Neither would, you know, the platform. Neither would the platform. Even though it's not on cable, like I would still do it. Yeah, yeah. Prefer it on cable though. Being in millions of homes. But I'd really do it for the weight loss.

That's funny. I would really do it for the weight loss. That's funny. I would really do it for the followers. Yeah, that's good too. Like the fame. There's a cult who watches Dancing with the Stars and then they come and see you on tour and shit. Yeah, that's what I want. Yeah, yeah.

I think it would be good for business. There's a lot of perks. Having said that, if I ever got offered like I would really have to think about it. You would have to do it, bitch. I know. But like honestly, I don't think I could. I think you could. I think you would be like one of those people when you start talking about how you surprised yourself.

Right. No, kind of like pickleball. You learn so much about yourself and this has just been like an amazing journey for you and you're so grateful. Or I would take the Lisa Vanderpump route and like fake an illness so I could go home I wouldn't let you I'd expose you I know you wouldn't I know you wouldn't you would do like a podcast expose I would like get a video of you like walking totally fine I'd be like she's fine walking to the kitchen for a snack and I would say I would expose you if you quit. Literally.

Look, she's been tampering with the competition. What are sisters for if not to keep you honest? To hold you accountable. Literally. Literally. Having said that, please don't ask me to come on. No one is. Ask her.

No, please. Okay. Well, good luck to Ariana. They're filming Vanderpump Rules now. So, like, I wonder if there'll be crossover. Not a huge deal. It's in LA. Tom Sandoval is filming. There were, like, rumors, but he is filming.

Yeah, he had, like, a sit-down combo with Schwartz at TomTom, it looked like. They also, like, have been filming a lot at TomTom. And, like, Ariana went. Yeah, I mean, that like Ariana went. Yeah. I mean, that's the biz. Yeah. I wonder if Tom Tom is suffering. Well, you know, Pump closed.

Pump closed, but they're like funneling a lot of the Pump personnel and things into Tom Tom. Yeah. But I never thought about what this would mean for Tom Tom because Schwartz and Sandy's is obviously like taking it was like it was the biggest hit right now yeah I don't know I feel like it's a good question people literally know that Tom and Tom are five percent and they don't really see a return from Tom Tom and it's more so like a hallmark of the show and Lisa Vanderpump so I feel like people can separate the two but maybe it's time for a rebrand yeah perhaps that would be crazy yeah I don't think that it would happen though because Lisa's like stood by them and Tom Tom's gone well for her yeah are you ready for our next story

yes ma'am Tracy Chapman speaks out about Luke Combs' Fast Car cover. She says, I'm happy. So this is actually a really great story because Luke Combs' cover of Fast Car has hit number one on Billboard's Country Airplay this week. And it actually makes Tracy Chapman the first black woman as the sole writer to top the Country Airplay charts since its debut in 1990. Yeah, she told Billboard, I never expected to find myself on the country airplay charts since its debut in 1990. Yeah, she told Billboard, I never expected to find myself on the country charts, but I'm honored to be there.

I'm happy for Luke and his success and grateful that new fans have found and embraced Fast Car. On top of being the first artist to drive Fast Car to a number one spot, he also earned number two on the Billboard Hot 100 this week, where Tracy's original version of the song peaked at number six. Plus, Billboard estimated that Tracy has already earned approximately half a million dollars in publishing royalties since his album dropped in March.

Wow. I mean, the story of this song in general is just so impressive, how it's really become timeless. And a lot of DJs have done like remixes of it like it really I feel like every few years reaches like a new generation of people and Luke Combs is obviously doing his part for the song and it's such a gorgeous song and it's a song that so many celebrities have wanted to cover and for some reason you know Tracy Chapman gave her blessing to Luke Combs and I don't think maybe she even really knew that it

would do all of this but this is just a fabulous story yeah it is a really nice story I also don't think it was like a single or anything so it's just it's having its moment having its moment like genuine interest in word of mouth not even like the machine pushing it there it's just like right a great song a great artist a grassroots movement a grassroots movement even though I'm not a part of the movement yeah I know because you don't actually don't like the the version but I but I love the news that it's making like I love this I love when you know something from 20 30 years ago like that already had its shine like shines even brighter yeah that happens a lot with TikTok like these songs go viral. Do you know the

Kate Bush song Running Up That Hill? Yeah you've told me about it. And then it was in Stranger Things or something. Yeah like it's a song from maybe the 80s or 90s and it was like popular back then. And it literally hit like the Billboard top 10 last year because kids on TikTok discovered it. If I only could. And then it was in yeah Stranger Things. Like it's cool. Yeah it is cool. Teaching the youth. And it's cool to be recognized again you know. Yeah from like a whole new generation of people. That's called timelessness. And I feel that way all the time. It's like so many songs that came out so long ago like are still so amazing. Like they don't have to go in the garbage can. Right. We just like cycle through music so quickly these days so it's nice when we stop and you know take a look back at where we came from totally it's beautiful are you ready for our fifth and

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posed in Skim Swimwear in a shoot that captures the sizzling heat of the summer and also like the sizzling heat of these 90s icons no and these bodies oh my god bodies so they look amazing they look amazing i literally would like had to like re-watch it because i was like was this shot today they look so unreal they're like rockin bods and it's just giving the energy of the 90s and skims always does really topical campaigns um yeah but this to me just like hit different the former mtv icons and dirty love co-stars have reunited in a shoot that captures the sexiness and fun of summer and the women's agelessness in the just released photos they posed together washing a sports car,

holding electric guitars, and eating ice cream all while in skim swimwear. It was also giving, like, Carl's Jr. Yes. By the way, that's an amazing call. I was also, like, confused. Everyone was like, these two are reuniting. I'm like, what were they on together? Like, I didn't know that they had a thing together.

What was it? You just said MTV girls and Dirty Love co-stars. I don't know what that is yeah but I've never heard of dirty love like I feel like it would be like Melrose Place or something like no by the way I was like were these two on Beverly Hills 90210 or like they watch it's giving Carl's Jr. I also just want to say like something I so appreciate about Skims is like they really do the most to be like incredibly inclusive without sacrificing like the glamorousness I feel like when when brands want to be relatable they have like you know models with no makeup and like yeah why do you why why why does it have to be inclusive and lose that element of like fabulousness it's like so real nobody wants to be real so ugly and hairy and smelly yeah like what

is that and I feel like Skims does such a good job of being like gender inclusive, size inclusive, age inclusive, race inclusive. And it's like it's not giving like that corny inclusive vibe. You know what I mean? Yes, totally. But then when you think on it, it's like, oh, yeah, I guess these women like wouldn't have been tapped for a bathing suit campaign right now. But like I'm glad they were. Right. for a no bathing suit campaign right now but like I'm glad they were right like I think that's such an under appreciated um element of the brand where it's like in this day and age people you know will have these campaigns that like check certain boxes but I don't know but it doesn't make

me feel like fabulous but I feel like with every single skims one I feel like she just did the ice spice one and then she had like the vict's Secret which like sounds like not inclusive but these are like 50 year old women like yeah it really it it slaps every time major kudos I love I cannot say enough about Skims as a brand oh and that was like a rant I was gonna go on yesterday but I remember I didn't Skims is like literally huge you know I feel like they're bigger than Spanx like in terms of shapewear. I feel like not even in terms of shapewear but just in terms of undergarments and tings. Like yeah like if I wanted you know fresh undies or fresh bralettes or something like I would go to Skims and I guess if I was getting a wanted to get like a pair of control top shorts I don't know I guess I would go to Skims now because I have so many pairs that

I love but I feel like they just like totally captured like the loungewear category and like essentials yeah and now I find myself like if I need undergarments girdles whatever I totally go to Spanx I mean excuse me Skims if I need clothes these days I go to Spanx like Spanx really kills the clothing game and Kim doesn't do Kim doesn't really do um like outerwear or like things you leave your house in it's really like loungewear pajamas undies I mean I'm wearing the Skims bra right now yeah and staples like t-shirts staples right and how you know like how you know a brand is like really like I feel like it's such a next level like billion dollar brand and how you know that is I feel like the word skims has

become a word kind of how Spanx was like are you wearing Spanx? People will say now like I'm wearing skims like it almost becomes ubiquitous not yet like band-aid but kind of. No I don't feel that way and I actually feel like even though skims like started as like a shapewear company and a direct competitor to Spanx. And on its face like they are you know at odds. I actually I feel like Kim's gone in like a totally different direction where it's like I don't feel like I have to choose between Skims and Spanx. No I agree. Like I own copious amounts of each. I think that's also due in part to like a very clear directional change from Spanx recently

into making the best clothes ever. Yeah. Like when I think of Spanx I think of my amazing pants. I don't really think of like shapewear anymore. Yeah. So everyone stays winning. Sarah Blakely and Kim. Totally. They're both on the Forbes women's richest. Right right there's room for everyone it's so true it's so true so let's talk about Kardashians yes let me pull up my notes full of things I need to talk about here um okay so obviously the episode started with like the bids the big sit down between Kim and Kourtney we didn't know if we were gonna get it we got it and I have to say we got it like I feel like they did not just kind of scratch at the surface they had like a really deep conversation um and there were a few things

you know you really put me on team Courtney um after you offered just kind of like your like her rebuttal yeah I wasn't even necessarily team Courtney but I could really see her side and just understand how she felt and like I felt like this wasn't like a, I felt like this was an actual conversation that needed to be had. Not just like, oh, I'm team Kim because I'm literally always team Kim. Even after, not just on principle, but like she just, I always agree with her. But this time I was like, you know what? Courtney like is entitled.

Yeah. So I went, I went into it like really seeing Courtney's side. Yeah. But you know that didn't really hold true during the conversation and it wasn't necessarily because of like things that were said but like first of all like Kourtney before she had the conversation she was like I really don't want to have this conversation with Kim she's just going to be like on her phone the whole time and like literally halfway through Kourtney starts scrolling on her phone so I'm like okay. Okay I thought that I literally had the same thought but then she put her phone down pretty quickly maybe she just like

had to respond to a text like about her kids like I felt like I could move it was annoying and I was like oh wow she's being a hypocrite but she wasn't like scrolling mindlessly like she did something on her phone and she put it down like yes it was just it was funny yeah given that she had made a point and it's like who knows maybe Kim picked up her phone at some point but that didn't make the edit. So what I thought was really interesting is that I think Kim made some fire points but she didn't actually make them to Kourtney. She made them in her confessionals. Like we didn't know about Andrea Pocelli and I didn't really even put together that Kim also got married in Italy. So it's like they're going they're having this conversation and the more they're talking about it the more stupid it

is. Like they're talking about vibes and countries. Like, you can't own a vibe and you can't own a country. And, you know what, Kim did make some good points. Like, no one's trying to infringe on your identity. Like, your identity is rocker. She's literally sitting there in a hoodie with studs on it. And, like, she's trying to say her vibe that, like, she owns is La Gelce Vida. But it's, like, actually not.

If we're talking about vibes that people own Courtney's is punk rock the whole episode she's wearing like band t-shirts that are like lime green and black and if we're talking about vibes Kim's is like minimalist concrete you know and spandex so I feel like Kim was actually making some really good points just in terms of like the nitty-gritty and then when she started to make those points Courtney was like okay but like we don't need to like you know talk about the details like once Kim started to like make a little bit of sense and like progress in her in her argument Courtney was like okay but it's not about that like yeah and then she tried to like psychoanalyze why Kim took this deal trying to make it like deeper and make Kim kind of feel bad for wanting success and

I thought Kim's response where where Courtney was really trying to come at it like as an angle to make Kim sound like greedy or vapid or materialistic no or no she was trying to make Kim see or realize that like there's something that she's trying to fill inside of her like that she's not um like she's always chasing something it wasn't it stopped being about like greed and just more so about like why can't like there's a hole or something like that that's what it sounded like she wanted him to admit like there's this gap and you keep trying to fill it with like more and more success but I really felt like Kim's response to that was totally fair she's like I wanted to challenge myself to do something that like people have been telling me I can't do

and accomplish something. And I actually felt like at first maybe I would have agreed with Courtney. Like what is Kim, you know, searching for? But Kim's response like made a lot of sense to me. And like it's okay to want to prove people wrong and to accomplish things and challenge yourself. And I felt like her answer was really good enough. Yeah, I agree. I think people are just inherently different.

Like some people are just like content with what they have when they reach a certain point. And that's like a beautiful thing, but that doesn't hold true for everyone. And some people like keep wanting like to break new barriers and do new things and challenge themselves. And it doesn't necessarily mean that they're like running from something

or they like are incapable of being content. Like it's just a personality difference. And I do think sometimes like people are running from something and they like are incapable of being content like it's just a personality difference and I do think sometimes like people are running from something and they don't want to go home so they do the next thing and the next thing and next thing I don't think that's what it is for Kim I think she's just someone who's like deeply ambitious and I think she spent so many years kind of like being the shit on everyone's shoe now that she's at the top she's like I will not stop until I've conquered everything so that every person who doubted me can be proved wrong right and I deeply respect that I actually really do um and it just felt like

Courtney is content and she was kind of you know being like a little bit moral high ground high horse to Kim like who's not content but I also think it's unfair of her to say that because it's not like Courtney gets these opportunities and turns them down you know so she can only speak from her experience which is different than Kim's. Yeah but you see it in the way that Courtney like approaches business and stuff it's like she you know kind of fell into poosh eventually but she never like was like okay we have to start a business like I have to capitalize like everything she's done has really been like a natural progression of who she is and then like an extension of her personal brand which is lovely but that doesn't mean that it has to be that way for everyone like people are allowed to be like be more strategic and not just like I guess I'll

start a business today because it feels like the right time and that's not neither of those are better or worse they're just different yeah and I just felt like Courtney was being like really judgmental. Yeah. But it also then became like, this is not about D&G. Well, and it clearly was not about D&G because Kylie had the exact same thing. Yeah. And Courtney wasn't upset. Like there is something between Courtney and Kim. There's something that Courtney sees in Kim that like she really doesn't like. And so time Kim is Kimming Courtney's like well this is what I'm talking about and it's like what is that deeper issue I do not know yes that was my next note when she said like Kim brought up the fact that Kylie had this campaign right after the wedding and you know you didn't say anything and she's like yeah well like Kylie's just in Kylie

world and then like Chris was a major factor in this too but she held, you know, you didn't say anything, and she's like, yeah, well, like, Kylie's just in Kylie world, and then, like, Kris was a major factor in this, too, but she held really no ill will or didn't need to sit down with Kris or Kylie, like, she was really only mad at Kim, thus proving that it's really not about Dolce and Gabbana, like, these two just, like, do not see each other at all, like, they do not get along, there's, like, this inherent, I don't know what it is, but there's, like, a disconnect between them, and that's what they were saying like we don't talk anymore we don't hang out anymore and just because someone's married and in a different place like it's with a sister like does not mean that the friendship is over fine I could see how two friends would grow apart when one of them starts you know in a totally different place like you don't have that much in common anymore but that's not a thing with

family no and Courtney said like I have time like Travis is in the studio like it's not like I don't have I'm in my bubble and I have no time for anyone so it's just like what she's choosing to do with her time also I feel like when it came to Kylie and Chris like maybe it's just that Courtney has like such high expectations for her relationship with Kim they're 18 months apart which I didn't even realize and like the way that Kim Courtney and Chloe are is different than how each of them is with like Kendall and Kylie like they're just like younger sisters and there's less expectation and then also it became clear in this episode that like Courtney has like a lot of beef with Chris I think she just like I think she's just accepted

that Chris is like kind of a political animal and just is always going to be business focused and like like almost like rank her children as it relates to business. And like that's just who she is. And I feel like maybe for Courtney, it's like having grown up with Kim, it's like I have higher expectations that you would care more about. Yeah. But but for Kim, it must be frustrating because it's like selective outrage from from Courtney yeah and you also can't read people's minds like if she told her about a D&G collab and even though the collab changed over the months that they were doing it but like there was never a big outburst when she was doing the initial collab it's like oh you

you're okay with me doing Skims x Dolce but you're not okay with me doing a Kim Dolce fashion show yeah and I get when Courtney gets into the points like yeah it was similar to her wedding and and that was really personal to her and so she's fair to feel that way but it's like at what point is Kim supposed to know like this court crosses Courtney's line but this doesn't no and just the more they went into the details about Dolce and Gabbana and vibes in Italy and La Dolce Vita it really was so stupid I'm like okay and yeah like it's a dumb fight but it's one of those fights it's not about what they're fighting about you know there's like a bigger issue here between the two of them yeah which they did not get to no um but the episode like I thought it would be boring after that because that was, like, the big thing we were waiting for. But I have to say, the episode

was fabulous. Like, there were so many things that happened. First was Chris's birthday party, which I loved. The girls looked so funny. North is so funny. It was just great. The speech thing was hilarious. Like, it was a good episode. Everyone was being funny. And then... Why wasn't Kendall dressed up? Yes!

I feel like she was probably coming from somewhere but from a shoot throw a wig on like not all of you have to be in glam for five hours just like put a wig on and like wear Chris's pajamas like yeah that was weird it was she was the only one and Kathy Hilton of course Kathy Hilton I loved just getting a small glimpse of Queen Kathy yeah but it was a really nice birthday. A fair. Yeah. And it was interesting how everyone was talking about like how weird not weird or how nice it was that Courtney threw it. Like they were shocked. Yeah I guess they don't have like the greatest relationship. Yeah. Interesting. Mm-hmm. And then Kim showed us her Malibu house or what will be her Malibu house. That was like a little boring, but happy for her.

Yeah. And then the Kanye stuff, which I didn't know that they were going to address at all this season as directly as they did, which I appreciated. I don't I'm not one of those people who feels the need for like Kim to speak up every time Kanye does something crazy. I think that's like an extremely unreasonable thing to ask of someone um but I did find it interesting to hear what she said and to be honest I thought the most interesting part when she was having that breakdown was when Khloe opened up and she was like you don't think I feel bad about Lamar like I that honestly that part like made me tear up like how they just take on other people's shit and blame themselves.

Yeah as much as like they addressed it they didn't really talk about anything specific but I think that's the inherent conflict that Kim has with herself. It's like she has so much that she wants to say I'm sure but she every time she goes to say something she's always going to think of her kids first and so she's not going to say anything. So even you know when when it was happening like Twitter, she said as little as she possibly could, because I guess people were demanding that she say something. And I totally like, I don't know who was making those demands, like, but it was unnecessary. Yeah. And then even on the show, it's like, okay, we're going to talk about on the show, because this is our platform. But still, at the end of the day,

like, I'm going to put my kids first. And and so I'm really not gonna say anything other than like I'm feeling internal conflict but when you listen to the conversation like she just kept saying like I feel so bad like I'm so I'm having such a hard time and like she didn't explain like why she felt bad or what's hard or like what what her like personal internal thoughts are about it because she's not to speak ill of the father of her children which I totally respect and so it's like as much as you want answers for from Kim like she's always she probably like goes does the mantle gymnastics and then it's like but the kids and then everything else falls to the wayside yeah but I did think it was really interesting and I think she's getting some backlash for saying like once she posted something in support of the Jewish community

then it was like you know everything else fell then Adidas dropped him and she felt really bad about that um and I think she's just getting some like shit for that but I I weirdly understand what she meant um because this is the father of her children and no matter what they do you don't want them to um fail even if they deserve it because that's you know who your kids look up to and that's who's going to take care of your kids if anything happens to you so like I understand how it sounded weird but I weirdly understood what she meant. Yeah and also just like the way I remember it I feel like that's not what happened but I can imagine. No but for her it felt that way but in real life it had nothing to do with

Kim posting yeah yeah yeah no I agree so it's just like a really hard spot for her to be in I thought it was a great episode honestly yeah it was good like there was um it was good yeah um I thought this was a great episode always Always, when it's the swirlies. The last episode with Claudia being this age. Yeah. So there is no episode on Monday because it's my birthday, so make sure to wish me happy birthday, bitches. And we're back on Tuesday.

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