The Toast - Thank You Amanda Batula: Wednesday, June 17th, 2026

Episode Date: June 17, 2026

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It's Jackson, Claude and every show the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off, swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy Wednesday. It is Humpty. Don't forget to Humbley and love and speaking of somebody I love. It's the one, the only, Jacqueline Foley.

Let's watch this space and give her a moment to Cojurn to Fred the day. to co-journ on these ones and twos. Exactly. Hello, journalicious, Definitious. Make the boys go extremely loco. Loco. Hey, I'm good, thank you. I can't believe it's only Wednesday.

Like, what? I know. There's been like so many hours spent watching TV this week, and the day has just begun, you know? And I finished my book last night. I was actually so close. Here's the problem with reading history books, if you want to know, on your Kindle,

is that there are so many footnotes at the end that actually you only have to get to, 60% of the book and then the book is over. But the whole time I'm like, wait, I'm only at 58%. Right, right. I should go to sleep now because I'm not finishing it anytime soon. And then last night, I endeavored to finish it. And I had like 20 more minutes left.

Yeah. That's why history is tough. For many reasons. Yeah, but I did finish the book. I don't know that I would recommend. It's not swirly. I wouldn't recommend it to the swirls. But it was nice to like do something different for myself.

100%. And like to read something smart, you know, I barely read anymore. We're so in our TV era. We're watching so much garbage brain rot. I feel like the exploration of exploring. I like feel like like exploring like. And I say like a lot. So for me to have to acknowledge how bad these people are, nobody says it more than Corbyn.

Like it's really a girly thing to say like a lot. But Corbyn is the worst offender. So we're just watching like such disgusting brain rock. I need to balance it. Yeah. I need to start reading the insect. Wikipedia or something. Yeah, I think I'm going to keep reading as I watch Love Island so that my IQ does not drop. just to like, yeah, balance out the rot.

Yeah. So Summerhouse last night we had our bonus episode, which I feel like I'm very much in my accountability era. Happy to say I was wrong about. Because it wasn't, sometimes they do like secrets revealed and they're just like milking something. No, this was very much. I thought it was going to be like footage that just like

was not left on the cutting room floor. And it's like, well, it was on the floor for a reason. Leave it there. No, this was like brand new. And also because Love Island is on now, it's like top of mind for me how quickly they turn around the episodes and like not them literally showing us something from May 27th and it's not even June 27th yet so it's been less than a month so you are able to turn shit around quickly like yeah however it was like three conversations that were edited down

it's not like music and montage and everything um so sorry I want to say it was really good it was like a podcast it was like three podcasts I was very happy to be wrong it was excellent yeah and I feel like the reunion kind of did leave a huge space and gap. And that's what Lindsay was saying, being like, we came here like to sort everything out. And like nothing's been sorted out. I have no clarity. And I do think we have more clarity. A couple, a little bit more confusion too after last night's episode. So we will recap the summer house. Yeah, that will be in the stories because that's like the lead story of the day. Yeah. Is that episode. And then I guess that's, that's a wrap on summer house for a little bit.

And while I will miss it, Love Island is so time consuming that I need everything else to stop. I will miss it. But I do need. to send Amanda and West flowers. Yeah, the numbers are in, you guys. We just got our numbers for what month was that? April. We get eight week lead time. So like eight weeks ago.

So yeah, it's June. Yeah, April. We had our biggest month of toast ever. Like in terms of streams, downloads. Like there was a lot because also our top episode was obviously West Mandibal. Yeah. But the Alex Hooper thing was also a top episode. There were a lot of big things that happened in that month.

Of course, West Mandeval is the reason for this season. West Mandeval is our number one, like, listen to episode of all time. And, like, I want to say thank you to them. I know you're going through it. I know you're having a hard time. But thank you for that, because I didn't know that that was happening.

I also want to thank us, like, to be almost nine years in the game and just have your biggest month ever. Like, that's a fucking sleigh, sorry. And yeah, I know a lot of it was Amanda Batula on her back, but it was us too. Yeah, and you could have chosen to listen to anyone's recap of it. And you chose ours.

And I think we will look back on this time as like, yeah, so many people found us through that. We have that where we're like, you know, the bachelor nation scandal when they had to close down production. A lot of people were with us, you know, since then because they found us through that. So I think Amanda Betula doesn't really realize what she's done for us. And for that, thanks. Yeah, no, I was like making sure I still follow her because I didn't know if I followed her or not. And I'm like, I wouldn't have, like, unfollowed her because of this. But I didn't even know if I followed her.

And I did. And I'm like, I'm never unfollowing you. Like, you're my queen. Thank you. You're literally my queen. Like, keep doing what you're doing. Keep being crazy. Thank you so much.

West too. But like, really Amanda. Because, like, it's her, like, psychosis. Like, he was always just, like, hated, you know? Yeah. He's hated more than ever. But, like, she, it hurts my heart and my brain to think about, like, what happened to her. And she also acknowledged it for the first time ever on.

last night's episode where she was like, I literally threw my whole life away for a feeling. Yeah. We're like, yeah, you did. No, it actually like hurts me to think about. But now she's back with him. It's kind of like, you know what someone has like Alzheimer's or dementia and they like temporarily come back and they're like, oh, Sarah, they recognize their own children and stuff? And it's like this moment of clarity.

It's fleeting. But you get that real connection. That's what that episode felt like. Because we know now she's like back with him stronger than ever. But like in that episode, did they break up for a second or something? We'll talk about the episode. but I'm very confused because the way she's talking about him, it's either that they're broken up in that moment

or she's going home to break up with him. They've been fighting and thinking about breaking up and they're going to break up. And I almost wish we didn't know that they had just been in, like, Rome on this big trip because the whole time I'm watching this, I'm like, null and void, because you two are still together and more serious than ever. Whereas in that conversation, I'm like, are they about to break up? Yeah. So we'll discuss.

We'll discuss Love Island. We actually have a lot of stories today. You guys will talk about jelly roll and bunny. Oh, that actually is. really crazy. We'll talk about Trash Island. New name for the show with these trash bags. I hate them all. I know. It's really, but like we're doing this to ourselves. I saw a funny comment. Jackie, I saw it too. That was like, I feel like the only people who are watching Love Island are the people who feel, like, on podcasts who feel like they have to talk about Love Island, but they hate Love Island, but they can't

not watch because they feel like we want them to watch, but we all like hate it and we're not watching. But also that's not, I see like all the TikToks of like fans being like, this season sucks, the season sucks, but like we're all watching it. No, and also I was feeling the other week, like, nobody's watching La Violet. I feel like we are the only ones watching. And then I saw that their like first episode had the highest streaming of like any show. I'm like, okay, everybody, not everybody. A lot of people are watching.

It's also the number one thing on Peacock. And I feel like everyone's on Peacock right now because that's where the World Cup is. So I think they're getting like a real global audience. Yeah, it's huge. We have to keep watching. No, and also I feel like sometimes people don't watch the first episode, but then everyone's talking about it. So like you get into it.

But I've said. this last season, I'll say this season, and it's no different. It's not that this is a bad season. It's just a bad show and it's a bad format and they pick like not intelligent people and and people who are moving, you know, for the sake of making television, but they're also scared. And it's scary. And also it's like the show does not reward the things that it should reward. Like if you are in the same couple for let's say six recouplings, you should go to the by the rest of the trip. That's like on that show that only I watched,

perfect match on MTV. Literally the only show. You're the only person I watched it. I'm the only person that watched it, but let me tell you how the show works. You're in a house with a bunch of people you have to find your perfect match. And every week they send you to the truth booth

and did we find the perfect match? And if you found the perfect match, you guys go off into the honeymoon suite and we don't hear from you again. And so I feel like this show should do that so that people who aren't sure about their couple, but are playing it safe, are sort of forced to come out of it.

you don't want to go into retirement over there, but you would do it if you found the love of your life. Yeah, I think that the show actually is a good format. I think that there's a couple of key elements they need to work on. Yeah, that does reward good behavior. I also think the concept of like hiring 21-year-old, like take a note out of the love-a-lid book. Like they're this uber successful dating show,

and they take the dating part seriously. Like everyone there is really wanting to date. Like I think I would love if they had like not even, like maybe like a 27-year-old, like a little. bit older, a little bit more mature. And you know what? It shows. That's my king right there. It does. But also like they're, I think they're more interested in like the pornography that they're shooting versus the love aspect of the show. And that's where they lose me. Like I choose love over porn. Yeah. And I think back to like last season when like the girls like eliminated Hannah and Charlie or whatever.

Like because and they had the worst reasons. They were like, well Hannah's already explored so she should go home we're like this person hasn't explored so they should say and it's like you guys are making shit up meanwhile like Sierra Nick you should go you should go to the honeymoon suite because you're boring now you're in love and you're happy and great you came what you did what you came here to do you still have the opportunity to win the show but it would keep people on their toes more instead of being so complacent and like it rewards people to stay in unhappy couples because you get to stay on the show as long as you're in a couple and that is an issue with the show because someone like Kenzie who's like taking chance She's also risking a lot because she could be left with nothing, but she's keeping the show moving.

So let's just dive into the stories because we're sort of like circling the drain on Summerhouse, on Love Island. And like it's just a TV recap kind of day. Try me in a TV recap before a day. Try it. So without further a do-to-do do-do. Here are the fast-five stories that Yida-Doo need to know. And the fast-fifed stories that you do need to know are brought to you by Love Island UK. Can I pull you for a chat?

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What can I say? Okay, first story, inside Summer House, The Aftermath. So Summerhouse, The Aftermath aired last night, and it was three conversations between six cast members. We had Amanda chatting with Lindsay at Lindsay's apartment, then West and Kyle chatting at Kyle and Amanda's. former apartment, and then Sierra and Miha. So I saw Lindsay.

I feel like she's getting flack because she was pretty empathetic. And it was kind of her. Yeah, I saw her being like, I saw her being on threads, of course. Honestly, Summerhouse is going to be the thing to get me to download threads. She was like, this part got cut out, but I told Amanda that like if you can't act with integrity, like you can't be in my life. Because I think maybe she's getting flack for just being like a friendly shoulder. And it was kind of refreshing.

I feel like Amanda was finally telling us stuff. because she wasn't being berated. And she said that was like her trauma response and her relationship with Kyle. Like when she's getting yelled at, she just shuts down. Like, so I think that's what we saw at the reunion. So the fact that like there was somebody there

who wasn't just like out to get her and like prove her like turn everything she said. It was kind of refreshing just to have a normal conversation. I'm not met at Lindsay. She's allowed to be nice. No. And I feel like we berated Amanda. It hasn't worked.

If we want to get some answers, like let's try something different. Lindsay's tone was 100% right. It was actually very impressive how she was able. to be warm and tough and mad and nice. And it was exactly, I think, the right conversation. Obviously, Amanda felt comfortable enough. You know, she was at the same time, like, making fun of her,

but also, like, having, you know, caring for her. And as someone who was your friend once for 10 years, you don't just, like, 100% throw them in the garbage. Like, she is a human being. She's obviously struggling the magnitude. Of course, what she did is so bad. But, like, most people who would do that in their life

and sleep with their friends. X, like, would never have to deal with what Amanda is now dealing with. And it's, like, not a normal human experience. So I thought Lindsay Stone, I don't know what people are saying. I couldn't have written it better myself. And it produced the best conversation of the night. So, yes, I feel like they went downhill from there. Oh, yeah.

Of the three conversations, I would say this one was the most relevatory. Like, we learned the most. I feel like I'm still confused, but I have a little bit more clarity on, like, timeline and stuff. Yeah. And it's like, it was hard for Amanda because in that conversation, she's trying to explain how she got to a place of saying yes to dating West. And so at the reunion, if she even tried to say, he makes me so happy, I never felt like, nobody wants to hear how much you love West.

No one wants to hear how amazing you. Like, so she's stuck between a rock and a hard place at the reunion. So she's not saying anything. And that's why we're not getting into stuff. Nobody wanted her to sit there across from Sierra and talk about how West likes her so much and all the things he said to her that he never said to Sierra. So much of her explanation has to do with the fact that, like, she's traumatized. from this like borderline abusive marriage.

And we completely rewrote history at the reunion. Like Kyle being a bad husband yelling at her, like was, we were lying about it. Like they were all like rewriting the whole. So so much of how she got to a place where she could be so stupid has to do with the seven year torture chamber she was in. And the reunion was not a welcoming place to discuss that. Like it was it was an inconvenient truth to the rest of the casemates.

Yes, but also like if she sat there, and said like to sierra's face of course her feelings about west all the things that west has said to her that like sierra would have only dream that he ever said to her like that would have been insane rubbing it awful it would have been rubbing it in her face so she could say nothing so this was a much better forum for her to share the details of how we fell in love so not that we can ever understand it but we could see how it happened to the mind of someone so i will say this first conversation was definitely the best one like i would say a word to describe it like relevatory like we were learning things The second one was like genuinely frustrating and confusing.

Yes. Lindsay and Amanda's conversation, though, like really made me feel like Lindsay, like they were about to break up. What happened in that time period? Because they are so not broken up. It would have been,

the whole conversation feels pointless and moot because we know that she does continue to date him exclusively travel, meet his family. So it's like she felt this way at one point. And this point, that was I think May 20th or May 13th. that's a month ago.

So great, glad you felt that way for 10 seconds, but you don't feel that way anymore, so this is kind of pointless. And I do feel like what Lindsay was saying in the episode and also in her thread tweet is that for as long as Amanda's dating West, like they cannot be friends. If you break up with him and you start to course correct,

like then, you know, maybe we could find a path to forgiveness, but like you're still doing the thing. My, I know that what she did is bad. Right, right, right. But like hearing her experience, explain it. And I'm glad she finally got the opportunity to explain it because it doesn't make it less bad. But you could see how somebody's so damaged and like so yeah, it's like mean the word Sierra used,

but it's true. She's like very vulnerable and weak how she could be susceptible to something like this. Like Sierra was not even a thought in her mind. Yeah. I think actually, um, a lot of what she said, I think exonerated her a little bit, like how when she was still married to Kyle up until the day she's separated from Kyle, West would always invite her around. I think he invited. bites a lot of people. And she always said no. And she always said no. And then after Kyle,

she's sitting in her apartment, like so depressed. And someone invites her to watch a game here or there. And she goes because she should be going to stuff. And West is her friend. And I guess in the way that Lindsay says it, and I don't know Wes enough to use these words, but this is what Lindsay knows him,

that he really manipulated her. He sees this, like, weak, sad, broken person who has no one apparently, even though like, why didn't she call Sierra to go out? I don't know. Correct. And Sierra was calling her a lot.

Right, right. And really, like, takes advantage of the situation. But my question is, like, to what end? Like, so in West's perfect world, what happens here? Because there's no way that he dates Amanda and it goes well in his life. Well, I think maybe he thought he had, like, really successfully hid in this relationship all summer long, that maybe he could hide this one until they got to a place where, they could like launch it.

It was never going to go over amazingly. But if they had like really kept it quiet for like six months and then soft launched it, brought it up, there are better ways to have done it. But the thing is that he won't even commit to it. So then the next conversation, Kyle is like, do you love her? He can't even say yes. And like the only way that this could be better. It's never going to be good is that Amanda, she's sitting on the couch with Lindsay and

she says she felt so broken and Wes made her feel this way. And it all, and she's not alluding to them breaking up. She's saying, you know, it. me and she's saying all good things. And then Kyle's like, do you love her, bro? And Wes is like, yes. And like a romantic person could see, but he won't even say that he loves her. He's like, I said it in her room.

You love her. All you guys are weird and touch each other and tell each other that you love each other. That's not what he was asking you. Yeah, I'm glad that Kyle, I felt like West was sitting down with her dad. That was the energy. Like, what are your intentions with my daughter? Yeah. I was glad that Kyle mentioned that you are inappropriate and the touchiness is inappropriate.

But like, it also needs to be a referendum on the house. It's a group problem. He's not the only one. doing it maybe he's the worst of- Jesse and Sierra? Everyone. Everyone is touching inappropriate. Lines have been blurred for a while.

It was very frustrating and like so word sality when he was like, do you love her? And he was like, yeah. I mean, I told her this summer. I love her. I'm like, are you a fucking idiot? So when he said yes, I was like,

oh my God, maybe he is changed. And then he was like, I mean, I told her in your room and I was like, what? That was really crazy. He was frustrating the fucking hell out of me. That was insane. That was how stupid do you think? we are. I did appreciate the context of who asked who for the conversation, who wanted to film it.

And I love that West thinks like he's still being protected. He obviously got comfortable getting a good edit because he is a bad guy, like objectively just a bad guy. And he's gotten this like darling fun boy edit. So I think he still thinks he has that layer of protection because he's like, you know, and I mean, we'll cut this, but I didn't want. And it's like, well, we're not cutting it. actually. I love that. Yeah. Yeah. And then they flash back to like the times that Meeha came up. You guys. So then we transitioned to the third conversation, which was definitely the low point of the episode. And I feel like this like, you know, revenge becoming best friends with the girl behavior is so beneath Sierra. Like the whole conversation was so beneath Sierra. And like I don't know whose decision it was for like Sierra's role in that episode to be the conversation with Mija.

but that gave nothing. I'm sorry, if they wanted to give, bring in the big guns. Like have Sierra sit down with Paige. Yeah. That's what the people want to see. Or Hannah Burner. Oh, yes. Oh my God.

Wait, literally yes. Yeah. That conversation was actually like it did actually less than nothing. I found it to be very negative. It negated some of the goodwill. It negated. It was very much like losery behavior the way that they were talking. like and giggling over mimosa's.

And Miha coming on the show actually made me think of the situation. Like in a worst way for me like up until the reunion, I thought like, okay, he has a secret girlfriend. She thinks that she's his girlfriend and like, you know, she's a heartbroken, whatever. And then listening to her talk on the couch, how she like willingly was a doormat and like doesn't ask for anything and just, of course he's going to walk all over you. You laid on the ground like a door mat. Yeah.

It was not a good moment for women, if I'm being honest. like and even her sitting there like she's clearly hung up on him like he's like I mean she's like I mean and I we have to talk mostly over the phone now because of her like it was just corny as hell um the more we hear and see from me how like the more I think it like it like it starts like vindicate West like no no because let me tell you why one we needed to hear from her because when they kept bringing her up I'm like who cares that he was like hook up with this girl but the timeline the only thing we actually got a lot of timeline on during the reunion was the fact that he had a full blown girlfriend the entire summer.

Like that's actually crazy. It really speaks to his demonic character. Like that's insane. Like you're going on a single guy show. You have a fucking girlfriend that you're keeping secret. But also let us not forget. She wasn't his girlfriend. No, no.

He keeps saying I let her think we were exclusive. Like sorry, what's a difference between exclusive and having a girlfriend? I hate that sort of semantics. No, but like he says, and I still need clarity on this because he says like she thought we were exclusive and it's like well why did she just assume you're exclusive because like she doesn't see with other people and he just couldn't say what he was trying to say to Kyle is that he was cheating on her that's the word we're looking for she thought we are exclusive and like I was not good about that oh so you I was not good about that cheated like he couldn't say the word so yes you had a girlfriend you were

exclusive with and you cheated on her like these words are not being said he's so manipulative with like his confusing language well because he never used those words when he was with her he never he probably never said exclusive. He probably that day was like, I'm not, you know, with seeing other people because like that day he hadn't seen another person. But like, you know, he just, so at the time, he probably never said like we are in an exclusive relationship. I never said relationship, never said girlfriend. And so he thinks that those things like make him a good guy when he goes out and cheats on her. But no, it's like, it's not even about the cheating. You're a bad guy because you won't have that conversation with her. And so he's wrong for all of that. But like there needs to be just like

a small conversation had about the woman who willingly was like kept in the dark setting up furniture for the man who went on the TV show pretending he didn't have a girlfriend. Meanwhile, they do a montage of all the pictures. Not one of those pictures is outside of a bed. He won't even take you outside. He wouldn't even take you to see the sun. Like that's insane. So it's like, we're supposed to be standing this queen. And it's like, Sierra, get away from her. Like, it was such a bad look for everyone. And I just thought it was so beneath Sierra. Like, Sierra's so elevated now. And the whole thing is like, you're so hung up on this guy, Sierra. and he's a loser and you're better than him,

you're prettier than him, you're smarter than him. And it's like, here she is still being like giddy over. Like, oh, he's in a day. And it's like, girl, go to Fiji. Like you're a star now. Get out of here. Yeah, no. It was bad.

Like the episode got worse as the conversations went on. It was bad. And I really, like the less we hear about the situation, the more we can imagine like how bad it was. And then also when when he cheated on Maha with Amanda, like to me that just, again, like proves the feelings that he had for Amanda. He wasn't, he wouldn't get serious with Maha because I don't think he like, liked me when he said to Kyle and finally a fucking honest moment when he was like she asked me to go home

with her for Christmas and I said I don't think that we're there yet but you know that's me trying to say like I don't like you enough to do those things and he won't actually say that but you'll string girls along and that's why he's a dick because he'll take everything from them without giving them anything and without even giving them like the full honesty and just letting them. But then there are girls who accept that. Right there are girls who accept that and letting them wonder so that's clearly what was happening between the two of them. It's not. not like he was so worried about filming or he just didn't like her enough to become truly official. Because there's no reason he couldn't have brought a girlfriend to the house.

Why couldn't she go to the house be a new castmate? Especially when Ben halfway through the season brought a girlfriend, he could have been like, oh, I'm allowed to do that. Great. And done it. Me too. Yeah. But no.

Then Amanda becomes single. Then Amanda becomes single. And he goes and cheats on mehaw with her because he likes her more and now he's staying with her. Right. And so this is like the first time as far as, we know that he's acknowledged someone like publicly as his relationship. Mm-hmm. And as far as we know hasn't cheated on her?

I think we would know if he cheated on. As far as we know hasn't cheated on her since the statement. Because people will be like, he cheated on you in March. And I think March was very fuzzy for them. Since the statement, I think it's been the two of them. And I think if he cheated on her, the world would know because like seriously, everyone is all eyes on them. And so yes, coming on the heels of like him being fired, it's like, well, yeah, he's the potter. but he gives nothing.

Amanda finally gave something last night. And you know what? I was like, you know what? I kind of want to see her on in the city. And call me crazy, but she looked better. She looked a little bit lighter and happier. And like she, it was just, it wasn't as sad to see her, like someone's so depressed.

So I feel like there's a future for her. But if she's with him, I don't know how. Yeah. Yeah. They should have had Hannah Burner. Like that's seriously the best call. Because that conversation, I feel like Sierra is like, you know, the main star, like victim in this whole situation.

Even, I know people also Kyle and I agree Kyle because it's the best friend. But like really it's about like Sierra who is like so betrayed and so hurt. I'm just such a good fucking friend to Amanda. Because Sierra doesn't have one allegation against her. She was never a bad friend, never a bad partner. She gave everything to us. She gave everything to Amanda. She gave everything to the show like.

Kyle is borderline abusive to his wife. So now coming here and being like, I care about Amanda. It's like, why do you care about her for two? 10 years. Enough to stop yelling at her. Right. And so for Sierra's conversation to be so low. Yeah.

And like not empowering, not uplifting. I think she would have been better off not in it. Yeah. I thought it was just, it was weenie, the whole thing. The whole thing was weeny. And it was surprising. And it did still give the vibe that she's hung up on him. Also, we could have had Sierra and Mia.

Yeah, sure. Love Mia. Yeah. Like anyone else. And do you think Miha is going to be on the show? show now? I really hope not. Like is that the show we're getting? Probably. Like, why would it? She's just like everyone else. Like, yeah. And she, they're bringing her into the show. Like, she's miced up and everything. She got a large chunk at the reunion. Yeah. I hope not. Yeah. Like,

she's there to, like, she shows that, like, Wes is not who he said he was. He lied to the audience for a long time. But, like, as far as, like, her. And I just want to. That's a worthwhile role. It really speaks to, we thought he was just like a fuck boy. No, that's like an actual bad person. Like that her role is important for that. But like, okay, thank you. Yeah, they are using her though also to like sort of drive a wedge between like West and Amanda.

And I'm like, no, no, no, no. Like the day Amanda like looked at him and was like, okay. Like he ran. He ran. Yeah. It's true. So, so yeah, I'm glad to know like West is. Even worse than we thought he was.

It's true. I had a moment watching him sit on the couch, and I think it really sunk in for me. Like, you know what it really is? It's the smallest man who ever lived where it's like, you should literally be in jail. Like the shit you do is so, like, legit evil. Yeah, but you won't serve time.

You'll slide into inboxes and slip through the vines, bars, whatever the word is. Yeah. No, that conversation was infuriating to watch. I don't know how all these girls can be in a relationship with him and he can't speak. True. So I don't know what further clarity we will get because the big question is like Amanda felt this way, but is very much in a full committed relationship with him.

We need another episode. Just like keep dropping convos. They need a podcast. They should all go on Carls. Well, you see Lindsay went on Carls. I did. I watched a bunch of long form clips this morning. I ship like a ship.

Carl wasn't in the episode. Neither was Jesse. They're both like ancillary characters. It was kind of core members only plus me, huh? Yeah. No, but like Jesse. Well, Jesse and West, I think, are like fully on the outs because you know he released his timeline last week.

Like, I don't think that they're... Yeah, of course. No, as Jesse should be. Like, I think also, one, he was lied to by his best friend and then he's realizing like his best friend's like not... Like a crazy demonic liar. The person he thought he was. I think he knew he was like a fuck boy, like whatever.

But like... Of course, but so is Jesse. Not a man of integrity. No, and I think when we think of fuck bull, Like it's a very light term. It's, you know, somebody who hooks up a lot and is like noncommittal. This is so not that. That's what Jesse is.

He hooks up a lot and he's noncommittal. West is a demon. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Now the long-awated Bunny Exo, Jerry Rolls divorce. Exactly. It's number two.

Bunny XO and Jelly Roll are getting divorced. Jelly Roll filed for divorce from Bunny XO after nearly 10 years of marriage, citing irreconcilable differences. A source tells people magazine that the two still love each other, but are no longer on the same page. And I want to say I understand why people are freaking out about this. Okay, please share. So first of all, their origin story is insane.

Like long before they were famous, he was like a homeless, convict. I want to say drug addict, right? Yeah. She was a Vegas escort. She was a sex worker. Yes, thank you. I put it.

The people, per people magazine. I'm reading about their backstory. They met. She like really helped him get his life together. She helped him get custody of his daughter. She raised his daughter. They are so in love.

And yes, he ended up becoming a major star, losing a lot of weight. She's a major star too. She has a huge podcast. She has a huge podcast. She really loved him. Like,

because it's easy to love someone who's rich and famous, right? but like, no, but she was there. When he was on the balls of his ass, she helped him get his first one bedroom apartment. She was paying the rent.

Like, she loved this guy, like really loved. They have this whirlwind romance, this fairy tale, like literally overnight. He is a star. Money,

like, that you can't even imagine. So, so famous. Divorce. Like, it actually is shocking. Especially because their content,

her podcast, Instagram, his music is like all about their love. They're very affectionate. They go to music awards. PDA. Like, this is just one of the last people I thought would get divorced. Also, we had discussed, like, a few months ago that at some point in their relationship,

like, he cheated on her and she forgave him. And that's also a big part of their story. So it's like, what can't they survive? Like, what actually finally came between them when they've been through the hardest things? They do have, like, a pretty, like, big, passionate constituency of haters. And there are a lot of theories about them, like, that they, no, but, like, people who make like long-form content, like a documentary about them. People are obsessed with them.

I'm not entirely sure what the drama is. There's like drama with their mega-church. I don't know. So if you want to go down that rabbit hole, I'm sure you can find like some people saying what the reasons are. I don't know. I am shocked, like genuinely surprised. Yeah, I haven't seen anything as far as reasons.

His daughter spoke out. What did she say? Like literally buddy is like her mother. She said, oh, and one more thing. I'm disgusted at how invested everyone is in a very clearly private family matter. It's fucking crazy. Go on somewhere, y'all. Worry about your house, not mine.

I'm not speaking on it yet. She's speaking to those constituency of haters, mind you. Oh, oh, okay. Because I'm like, well, I think it's natural that we're all a little. She's not talking about us. She's not talking about us. It's a ship, I think, for a lot of people that was a huge ship because I, and I more so know that from all the comments yesterday.

I was shocked that people were like so shocked that we didn't talk about it yesterday. When it broke yesterday morning. And I already had six stories. I'm not going to lie, that wasn't even the sixth one. Yeah, I think that it's, even if you're not like a big jelly roll or bunny fan. But I guess it's weird that I chose a story once that jelly roll is running a 5K. But then I didn't choose the story that jelly roll is getting divorced from his loving wife in 10 years. When you chose the 5K story, it was a Friday and it was like a dark time.

Like there was not a lot going on. So in your defense. But listen, we're talking about it now. Yeah. No, no, no. But I guess that's kind of crazy. But, you know, there was just a lot going on. Mm-hmm.

And I had no idea that these two, like, had so much. Yes, they have a lot of lore. Love and support, too. Like, I mean, I don't think the people who were commenting yesterday wanting out to hear us talk about it were part of the haters at all. No, no, it's just, I think it's like they're John Krasinski and Emily Blunt, you know? Yeah, it's the sheer surprise. Like, I think that is what is catching people off guard.

Because, like, I'm sure it was just last week that, you know, she's posting on her Instagram. Like, usually you can sniff these things out. People stop posting one another. There was none of that. They listed the date of separation as May 9th on the divorce filing. I'm so curious. And, you know, she has a big podcast.

They share a lot, like, parts of yourself that you would, like, never share. And they're very much open books. I mean, he talks about his time in prison. He did armed robbery. He was a drug addict. She was a sex worker. Like, these are people who share. So I'm sure we will find out.

And he filed. Yeah. Yeah. curious. And people are always, because if you look at them, she's like sort of this like va-va-voom blonde bombshell. And up until recently, he was this sort of, you know, you know.

And so people are always like, she's with him for the money. And it's like, girl, she used to pay his rent. Like this was a true love. It really was. So how did we get here? I have no idea. Yeah. True love's dead.

Yeah. It was true love's kiss. Yeah. Well, we'll keep you posted. Yeah. If anything further emerges. Are you ready for our next story? Mm-hmm.

Taylor Swift leaves a music studio with Haym Sisters after an all-night recording session. Taylor Swift was spotted at a New York City music studio. Electric ladies. Didn't someone get married there? How do you get married at a studio? Yes. So that's what, it's not confirmed if she was there, you know, because she got there at like 6 p.m. She left at 5 in the morning.

So everyone's like, oh, my God, she wrote a whole album. Yeah. And we're all excited about the musical. elements of it. And like Taylor haters are saying that like she saw the pictures of Joe Alwin and Sarah Pigeon. That's our next story. We're our double story. Carolyn Beset, the actress Sarah Pigeon was spotted with Joe Alwin like two or three times and there's paparazzi pictures and them kissing. So he has a new lady. And she's like kind of the it girl. So people think that like Taylor's pissed and she went to the studio. When I tell you I actually worse than, okay, he's allowed to

have a new girlfriend, but like he's doing all the things with Sarah that he would never do with Taylor. Oh, that's true, actually. So that is songworthy. Yeah, but if I just want to say like Joe Alwyn. It can be called like, I thought you said. And it's like, oh, I like that. All the things he said. Double standard.

Double standard. Except that like, unfortunately. But not with me. Oh, I like that actually. Unfortunately for Joe Alwyn, like his relationship, the longest of Taylor's entire dating history, like, seemed to have had like the least impact on her musically. Like we got tortured poets and we were like, oh, Joe Alwin.

Literally there was one song about him and it was nice. Like he's not really a thought for her, sadly. Like her, you know, situation shit, Maddie Healy was more inspiring than Joe Alwin was musically. I actually think that while the timing, yeah, maybe seems that way. Like, unfortunately for Joe, like she really doesn't care. Yeah, I think also with like Maddie Healy. And I'm sure part of her is like happy.

With Maddie Healy, there's, no. But not with me. She's going to let it rip. Because I understand, like, go have a new girlfriend. That's fine. I'm getting married. But you're doing all the things that you said that you would do. But not with me.

Except what is he doing? Walking down the street kissing. Hands around each other. When they were kissing, it was like in a bar or a restaurant. So like the paparazzi picture was like photographing them from the outside. Claudia, in six years of a relationship. We never got these photos that we got in three days. Yeah, because like he can't go anywhere with Taylor.

I'm sure he thought they're in Brooklyn. She walks down the street, Taylor. No, she doesn't. Like, she, with, you know, a team around and behind her. She does not walk down the street. She goes from the car to the curb. Right, but, like, she walks there. But he wouldn't even walk to the curb with her.

Well, he would have walked to the curb with her. That's true. But, like, these were, like, photographed moments. I genuinely think that these photos are, like, were taken completely without consent. Like, I don't think he knew the paparazzi was there. Of course. Like, with Taylor, there's, you can't ignore it.

It's, like, hordes of, people. Not saying that he's right. He was so wrong for that. He made her life so miserable. Like the difference in her now versus her then. Like her music, seriously, some of the music is so fucking depressing. It's like, girl, you're a billionaire and you're a skinny and blonde. Like, why are you upset? Go have fun. Now the music reflects like the skinny billionaire blonde that she is. So yeah, he was like life ruining in a lot of ways. I'm certainly not taking his side. But this is not the same as dating Taylor, which is not. I just feel like. And I don't think she was writing about him. I'm sorry, because even dating Taylor, look at Travis and Taylor.

Look at everything we get about them. Of course. They're larger than life and we get moments from them all the time and they don't care. But Joe Alden cares. Yeah, it was him. So it's doable. Even if, okay, they're not going to walk down the street to go grab a slice with Taylor. But like you can be spotted in your relationship with Taylor, Travis and Taylor do it all the time and they're having a great time.

And it's made her life so much better. It's so funny, but you used to like argue and I would always like say like Joe Owens like a sweetie pants and you're like, no, he's not. He's not. He's the devil. And now I'm like, he's the devil. And you're like, well. Well, no, no. I think that like what he's, I, if he has no haters, I passed away, I give my best

to Romeo. Like, I hate him. But him going on a date and being photographed is not the same as like him not wanting to walk red carpets and like do things like with Taylor, you know? Taylor and Travis do things that are not red carpets. Yeah, of course, because that's how it should have been. Yeah. Oh, that's how it always should have been.

Like, even if he didn't want to do red carpets, like Timothy and Kylie don't do red carpets and we get Timothy and Kylie. also to say I actually don't think she went to the studio like having anything to do with Sarah Pigeon like I think that either A there was an event of some sorts because they have a lot of parties at electric lady the same way she like goes to zero bond staying out till 5 a.m is like not something Taylor does party wise it's probably something she does like I was up in the studio writing music all night not like I was out drinking all night so hopefully and also her outfit she was wearing jeans she looked really cute it was very midnight's coated it's more of an outfit you write music in than like party The Hame sisters are also wearing jeans, flats and sweaters. And she's wearing jeans and like a collared sweater. So yeah, I don't think it was a party because if it was, she wouldn't have been out so late,

especially like weeks before the wedding. Right. But I think like maybe the inspiration took over and she's writing bops. Maybe about a wedding album. Or like she is writing, but not with me. Or she's writing her love songs for Travis. I really refuse to believe like she's being taken out of her bridal. bubble to write a song about Joe Alwin for real

she's had two boyfriends since him like dead ass but every feeling she has since she's a girl like she gets down on paper and like no I'm saying I don't even think she has those feelings I think I think she's getting married her whole life this is like the most romantic whimsical fairy tale obsessed girl

telling you she's not thinking about Joe Alman right now she's writing like a she might be like writing an original song for her wedding like much like Jesse James Decker oh oh an original song for her wedding. Who do you think is going to perform at her wedding, Ed Shearan? Oh, I didn't think about it. Like, do you think she'll have someone sing her down the aisle? Like, Stevie Nix, for sure. No, I don't know. We talked about this the other week. Like,

performers just don't do it for me. I know. But like, if you're Taylor Swift, do you have like a regular old wedding band? Yeah. There's nothing more fun than that. I agree. And there's so many good ones. Manhattan has like the best bands. Okay, I guess if I'm Taylor Swift, I could have anyone perform at my wedding. And think of who she's, like, friends with. Well, I guess I would want, like, whatever my first song is going to be, I would want that live. So. Well, I guess also we have to consider Travis's taste in music, too.

I think maybe we'll have a Morgan Wallen performance. Whatever they're, like, what do you think their first song is? And then have the person who sings it come sing it. Yeah. That's nice. I think it could be Ed Shearin, dead ass, like, perfect. She's so corny like that. But then I'd also have Bruno Mars for sure to get the party started.

Yeah, I would actually have. having like Bon Jovi come and do like the after party. No, I would have my wedding band be like Bruno Mars and the hooligans and I'd say like, I'm sorry Bruno, but you are working for five hours straight. Yes, I will pay your fee of $100 million. I will free you from the shackles of MGM's casinos. Because that would be the most amazing wedding band because every wedding band is trying to be like them. But also we have to look back historically.

Taylor has, as far as I know, like not one relationship, like I owed over relationship, association, memory photo. Like you have to think of who she's friends with. would ask. No, I know, but that's what kind of makes it better. Like, I'm just hiring you, like, come and do your thing. You would never have been invited. As opposed, like, Ed Shearney has take a break from drinking to go and perform. You know how difficult that was when you performed at my wedding. It's true. I also think, like, a lot of people will just, like, get up and sing, people who weren't, like, contracted to perform. Yeah, that was like my wedding. Yeah. Everyone was

singing. Everyone just picked up the mic. As we fucking should. Like, when you have so many performers, like, that's what we do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's totally what it's going to be. Hopefully it's new music and hopefully the Hymes sisters were just like there watching and not contributing or collaborating or getting in any meaningful way. Because like I really don't like when they make songs together. Get involved. Favorite songs.

Like what was that one? That like fake murder song. SD. Yeah. I actually like that one. But then she also did a song for them called like gas, gaslight or something. It's not my favorite. Not for me.

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Like all the hoopla around like the tradwife conversation, which really starts and ends with ballerina. I'm surprised she did press because I feel like she was so burned by that moronic Sunday Times interview that like she doesn't need press her company's successful like why do press? I don't know either. This one was a Q&A format and I thought a lot of the questions were really dumb

I think that we put so she just basically said like this is what I do I like to farm I like to have babies none of this is like performing yes we made a business out of it yes maybe some people think it's a lot of kids but like none of this is for any other reason than the fact that like it's what I want to do. The fact that it ignites these conversations about parental leave and it's really not her fucking problem.

But what should the government do about parental leave? So we're asking her those questions and it's like. Objection relevance? Like no, it's not that it's irrelevant. It's like why is it on her? No, I really don't know. People are obsessed with her. They put so much emphasis and meaning

about feminism and culture and motherhood. And they put it all on her. They put, even yesterday year was obviously about her. Like people, they put it all on her. And it's like, she's just a girl. Like that's literally what the interview was. Like, I'm just a girl doing what I like. No, what I don't understand is like what's the big deal?

What's the big deal? I mean, I understand why I love ballerina farm. I think her content's amazing. I think she's so inspiring. Like she's literally superwoman and she's better than all of us. and like we could only aspire to. And I know she only like puts out the best bits and bobs, but still like you're running like a huge business.

You have nine children. You're homeschooling them. Like you are doing the most. So I think that's amazing. But like what's the big fucking deal with everyone else just being, is it trad wife or not? Like yeah. I want is.

I think for women. She's setting women back. She's a fucking business owner and a huge one at that. Like she, I don't get the big deal. Like what is she doing that is so offensive to people other than like, enjoying and living and loving her life and her family. Even the title, Ballerina Farm is happy with her choices.

Was that a question? It's so condescending. Why would she not be happy with her choices? It's like she has children. She obviously loves it so much she had nine of them. That's not someone who's unhappy with her choice to be a mother. Yeah, I think for a while the opposition was saying like she's unhappy. She was forced into this life.

her husband stalked her. He makes her have children. Like there was a lot of that and that's what I think what the fallout was from that original Sunday Times article. And so now this article is meant to like be clarifying that like no, no, she's very much in control. And okay, good. I think a lot of her detractors say that like she sets women back because she's very domestic and that her domesticity has turned into a business. So it's like she's encouraging other women to be domestic and like, you know, sort of defer to their man for the more traditional roles while she herself, is quite traditional. It's like she's not saying any of this.

You're all interpreting it in a way that is convenient for the argument that you're making. When her, what she said, she's like, I'm literally just over here doing my thing. Like, I'm literally, you interpreting it to mean this and you,

that's really more of a reflection on you. I think the only reason why she's bad for women is because she makes the rest of us look bad. Look. No, no. And I think, we're not doing enough. Because we could do it.

If we wanted to have like a valid criticism of her, like for me, because I'm not like inspired by anything she does. She doesn't, like, inspirational, but like she doesn't make me want to dress like her, eat like her, cook like her, live like her. It's fun to watch.

It really is. Like it's very interesting for me to watch. I think that one could say, um, she sets a high standard. Yeah. So we're saying the bad thing. We're saying the same thing. Yeah. The bar is high.

She shows the world what a woman is capable of. And so those of us who are not doing all that are. Yeah. I think a lot of the time, like, obsessed with like, like, sort of catching her. and like, well, what can't you do? And then she has to be like, well, I don't like doing laundry and I'm actually like not that tidy. It's like, why do we have to know her weaknesses?

Like, why can't we just like support her strengths and like think that's awesome? Like, no, we have to know that. That's the dish has dishes in the sink. Like, I don't need to know that. I figure she has dishes in the sink. I think this is not just about ballerina front, but like just in general when we comment on other,

mostly women's life, lifestyle, culture. Like, it's more often than not a reflection on the person who's commenting. Like for me, like I'm very. secure in my life. Like I know I'm a good wife. I know I'm a good mom. I know I'm a good business owner. Like I don't need to look to influencers or content creators to make me feel good or bad about it.

And I think as a culture, so much of our like issues where we like disagree on stuff is because like we're looking to celebrities, influencers, like to be role models and to help us feel good about our own lives. And it's like, we wouldn't be having these conversations if everybody was just like happy with where they're at. People aren't. So they blame it on ballerina farm. And this idea that like if you.

you share your life and the highlights of it because I don't want to see your dishes in the sink. Like genuinely when I watch comfort creators and they like go about their morning and they start unloading the dishwasher every single time I turn it off. I don't want to see you unloading your dishwasher. I don't. That's funny. I don't want to see the dishes. I know. I disagree. I like if you're going to do it. Don't just show me the dishes. If you're going to do them, that makes me feel good. It's like I feel like I did the dishes. I like saying people like complete tasks. I like to complete tasks. I'm I don't want to see you doing your dishes. That is not.

I like when Emily Kaiser does it. When she like loads it unloads, I like it. Oh, make it quick. I want to see it like a snap. Oh, she does. Do it like a snap. But don't lose me in the dishwasher.

But it's like this idea that because you share her life, you obviously shared all the good parts. It's like, well, we're all entitled to know the other parts. It's like, no, no, no, no. This is social media. That's not how that works. I'm showing you the best and the pargiest. I don't owe you anything.

I don't owe you seeing the things that I didn't do or the things that I out just look at what I'm showing you. Like it's so weird that people feel like, oh, well, you have to show us all of this. Well, I think that goes back to like those people being insecure so it would make them feel better to know that she had someone do her dishes. And it's like when you're outsourcing your like self-assuredness to an influencer, like that the problem is not the influencer.

The problem is you. Yeah. That's how I feel also about like beauty standards. Like it's how I feel about like so much internet culture. actually. Like, when we have these big conversations that it's always like we're blaming women for not showing enough and sharing too much and getting plastic surgery or not getting plastic surgery. Well, it's like, well, if you were just happy with yourself, like you wouldn't have a problem with what Chloe Kardashian is doing. No. So let's focus on self-love. Actually, I think that's like what we should all

be writing articles about. Yeah. So I think like everyone is really out of control. I guess this book yesterday is really resurgence of the ballerina conversation. And the book is insane. The book is insane. If you guys want to hear about the book and how insane it is, like listen to the redhead. because you don't have to read, if you're not going to read the book, like just listen to the episode and you'll understand, like the plot of the book is insane.

The main character who's based on ballerina is the most insane individual that you've ever, like an actual crazy psychopath. Child abusing psychopath. What's so upsetting to people about ballerina farm is like she really walks the walk and talks to talk. Like you go, she doesn't have a TV.

She doesn't, like if you went to her house and she did, she let that reporter into her house. Like secret lives and you, are really like dominating pop culture right now. Like what do you think? She doesn't even know what pop culture is. She's like, I don't watch TV, so I'm not really the one to ask about pop culture. So that's the frustrating part.

I think people are really looking for, gotcha. Look, she has a media room. But let me tell you, if she did, I wouldn't care. Yeah, but that's because you are happy in your own life. I know, I know. And I'm like, sad to mind. I just like, there's nothing. Like, she makes a nice content.

She makes it actually great product. She's helping people. get nice food showing them how to present to their families i have her starter my starter and i just want to say i have none of her products and i've like i and i get them in PR and i give them away like i'm not her target consumer i just don't care like normalize like just looking at look like i know when you're like an internet person like you're the job is to like get people to comment but like seriously people get so deranged when it comes to her and it's because she's the real deal yeah but even if she was And even if what she's showing us is just what she's showing us.

And there's all this other shit behind the scenes. I don't care. Yeah. But also, like, I do believe, but not that it would matter. I do believe that, like, that's who she is. She puts up the phone in films. Of course, she, like, edits in and puts on an isolating and then leaves her dishes for someone else to clean. Like, duh.

She has nine kids. Yes, normalize using discernment on social media and not, like, you know, demanding the most highest level of transparency. Why don't you just use your fucking brain? Yeah. Yeah, I'm shocked that she sat for another article. This one was obviously like a little bit friendlier and just sort of like let her speak her mind. But I was, I wonder why she did it, like what she needs out of it. And like, yeah, why she would do it again after being burned so bad.

Even if she needed something from the media, like why would you go back? Yeah. I don't know. Are you ready for our fifth and final social violent TV recap? Yes. Laiusa, season eight episode. 13 recoupling shakes the villa. Yes, it did.

And I wanted to shake the villa. Like, I knew it was happy. First of all, the pace of that fucking recoupling ceremony where every person had to read their letter. Not only that, after the letter, Ariana, how does that make you feel? How do you feel reading that, Corbyn? Like, it was half the episode. It was so fucking slow. And I was like wanting to zoom through people's reading, but I don't know if it was going to be important.

Like, it was 40, it was so long. I didn't fast forward through the readings, but like it was. I only needed the last three couples. Of course. And some of them, like, I did want to hear what they had to say to each other. Like, I did want to hear what Zach had to say to Keda because I feel like sometimes they edit him and he is. He's bad news.

Bad, but sometimes I feel like he also gets an edit where they're trying to like create tension between them. So I'm like, what in his own words does he say to her? And honestly, I don't even remember. So the first two, and the first two couples were Trinity and, Bryce, I am obsessed with, but Trinity is a part of like the mean girl group. And it's like, it's like kind of one of her flaws. I need her to jump shit. And Gabriel and Jen, I love them. I know I'm not supposed to. I love them so much. They're like it's literally the definition of

matching someone's freak. Like they are perfect for one another. And their letters were like actually cute. The whole Portuguese thing, obsessed. They were so cute. They're very obsessed with each other. I think that Kada was shook that her and Zach didn't read their letters first because it goes in order of like the most obvious answer because at the end we'll get the drama. So why wouldn't Zach and Katie go first? They just came from the hideaway. I think that like shook her a little bit that there was any sort of doubt. I need something to shake her. She's pissing me off.

What happened to the girl who came in? She was like so cutting in the beginning. Like she was like very stoic. What happened to her? She's like giddy as hell. She doesn't even realize that the guy across from her doesn't like her. He's awful. She likes him.

No, and I think he's like her, he's like the definition of like, like literally having sex or somebody and losing interest. Like he could not be more stereotypical fuck boy. And she doesn't even see it happening right before her eyes. Yeah. I need bombshells immediately. Like, of course for Caleb. Of course for soul.

I hope Sol and Caleb like fall in love. Well, guys, just to like make sure we all voted for Caleb and Sol is our favorite couple, right? I told you you had to. People who have not said one word to each other. I told you you have to. We all voted for Caleb and Soul. Who did you? Right?

Please tell me. We all voted for Caleb and Seoul. Who is like the streets voting for? I don't see. By the way, we all voted for Caleb and soul. You guys, because like none of you actually voted for a couple. They all stink because actually Jen and Gabriel are cute, but. Oh, sorry, I would have also voted for Jen and Gabriel.

People don't like them. Because they are freaky. They're difficult to understand. I get it. Like, I might not understand it. Here's one. And he voted for so like, Kayla. God, God.

And that has like 9,000 likes. Yeah, of course. Like, we, and I just, I need some, I think these people in the villa have no idea how poorly they're being received. So they keep acting, like, how they think they should. And I need them to find out, like, we don't like them. Yes. The thing is, like, I wanted to, like, slap Kenzie because it's like, girl, Caleb, but you,

I can't be mad at her for how she feels. Like, she hasn't done anything that crazy. And I honestly, like, should have been honest about the kids with. remember whatever whatever she got away with her for not liking who i wanted her to like i want to see what happens next with her and corbin like if the feelings are true and deep or they're just going to like have sex and then like move on from each other because i do think they're just horny for each other but i am going to yeah she made a choice i'm glad she had to make a choice because it was getting really annoying like her crying over the two of them both of them just like her and they're there for her

it was time for a recoupling yeah and i'm glad like everybody had agency because it's like corbin who do you choose if given the choice but if you're If only Kenzie had to choose, we wouldn't know. I'm glad that everybody had agency to do what they wanted. Same with Melanie, same with sincere, hold them accountable. Of course, they were always going back to each other. Like, seriously, fuck sincere. So, yeah, it's clear now that, like, Soul was very much just a pawn in the toxic cycle of

sincere and Melanie. Like, they were always going to choose each other. They needed these ancillary characters like Corbyn. But it was very inconvenient because Corbyn wasn't into Melanie. Soul was into Sincer, so she was, like, an effective pawn. Like, they are so toxic. they are awful they are bad and soul was just sort of collateral and it was it was genuinely heartbreaking to watch but she said i saw it coming like yeah i'm glad she shocked oh she so is my woman's intuition

yeah i fucking love her she looked so good too i love her yeah and when she saw like melanie whispering to keda pinky promise so stupid mean girl mean girl and now i feel bad because like the other side um is oh no soul didn't sorry no soul didn't go home i thought she She was going home and I was like, oh, but she's weekend because she's like not in a strong couple, but I do hope everyone voted for her. They need to send in a Jalen for Saul. They need to send in someone for Caleb too. Like, what a man. Elevators.

No, and also just like so tunnel vision for Kenzie. Mature. Mature. He got his heart broken. He really like liked this girl. And he's operating like Jalen. He came in for Kenzie. He did not turn his head.

Maybe now like they can send someone. and he can give them a chance. He sounds like you be a good match with Anaya. I don't know if they've said one word to one another. Oh, have you seen this joke on Twitter where it's like, someone saw in the background of a random scene that the two of them were talking to each other? And they're like, these two know each other?

Yeah, no, it's like they're on different shows, first of all. Yeah. But wait, I ship. Yeah, no, there's like people, I think now production will start to show more of them. Also, production is telling the contestants what people are saying about them because they're making all these jokes about Corbyn being a robot.

Rebooting. People think that Zach specifically, like, got internet access. Because some Islanders, like, from past seasons have said, if you go to, like, certain parts of the villa, like that a phone that they give you, like, we'll give you internet. And it's possible because Zach is feeding in so. It's either, like, yes, the editors are cutting to more moments like that, but he knows what to say.

Yeah, maybe. Or they're telling them. Like, oh, people love your friendship with Bryce, play it up. People think Corbin's a robot. Play it up. I think they're telling them. sort of these jokes that are happening. When I thought that either Caleb or Soul were going to get eliminated,

either one or the other or both, like I was so devastated. And I love how they wrapped it up, just being like love, love with, you know, honoring that producer who had passed away. Like, I felt really good about it. It was a nice way to end their recoupling. And I hope that people come for Caleb and Soul.

I really do. Yeah, it was. And I also hope people come to destabilize some of these like fake couples who are staying together and playing it safe. Anaya KC. Anaya KC. And also to test. Zach and Kada.

To test, Zach, she's not fake, but he needs to be tested. He needs to be tested, and she needs to see that he has a wandering eye. And at this point, like, sincere and Melanie are so perfect for each other. I just hope they can stop taking other people down with them. They want to be toxic. Sure, whatever. Have fun. Leave soul out of it.

No, and I hope that we don't, like, have to hear so many of their conversations because it's like not, they're not fun to watch. I don't mind. Melanie was being corny as hell. A sour patch cake, yeah. Oh, my God. one big sour. She was literally putting on such an act.

She was just like, Claudia, I was literally about to text you. And Ariana was like, Sarapatch cake. Yeah, no, no. And like, she was putting on a full performance. Like, yeah.

I just like, go do. Go away. I don't really want to hear from you guys about your relationship. Like Melanie and the girl, she actually like gives to the villa in terms of like girl drama and whatnot. But like,

I don't want to hear you talk about your relationship anymore. I'm all set. I wonder if now that the core thing is settled if Kenzie would like become friends with Melanie again like she really left the OG villagers group and like started this new girl gang and I think it had to do with Corbin right yeah I wish they would tell us more about that like what's going on with the girls yeah no because it's really four and three yeah and now it makes me feel weird because when Keda and Trinity sat down Gabriel to ask him about Jen it's like you don't actually care because you haven't

said one word to Jen I don't think it was well intended and it's funny no one is having a better time on this show than Miss Jen. She was a bombshell. She got snatched up immediately by literally the hottest guy in the villa who is obsessed with her. She's made best friends for life with like Sol and Kenzie. And then Sol's over there like having the time like literally the polar opposite, the worst fucking time.

I think she had like two good days. She did. It's better now. It's better. I think she's gotten interested. But like I'm just like Jen is having a blast. I need Sol and Caleb to really try and fall in love. And like what if they two of them like stayed a couple and then stayed around, you know?

I'm so down. I could see her eating him alive, but I'm down. No, I think he's man enough. I don't know. That's sort of what Kenzie was saying without saying it. Like, Corbyn is very like alpha. And I think that she was hoping a little bit more of that energy from Kayla, but he's like soft spoken and sweet and southern. If she got that from Caleb, he'd start yelling at her that she's like throwing it in a circle for Corbyn.

Oh, wait. Like, she doesn't actually want to be held accountable by Kayla because he's letting her do. whatever she wants. You texted me this and I was thinking it too. She was kind of being a know-it-all on last night's episode, like correcting everyone about like random facts. Like I'm a nurse. No, like her personality got like,

confrontational. I don't want to be so reductive. Like maybe she's on her period. Totally. But she was writing the tiniest little thong baby suit with her thighs up in the air. She would never. I know.

But like at some point they're going to go on. Actually, maybe not. Maybe they'll like skip a site. Maybe they're on birth control. Yeah, right. And we'll skip a period while they're on a violent. It's only like one period you would have to miss. And if you have long cycles

And depending on when you got home, it could be zero Because like how are you running around like with your tushy out And the tampon string? And nobody wears full coverage bathing suits. I guess that's like not a thing anymore that we wear bathing suits that like cover our butt cheeks. It's butt cheeks out and that's like exactly where your string would hang. And like God forbid any of them wears a pad.

Oh, and you're sleeping in a bed with a new partner on totally white sheets. They're skipping their periods. 1,000%. Yeah. But yeah, her personality just like changed. She was just like being like like, test. No, and it's like you don't know what white noise is. She was being like a little condescending. Yeah, and the 2030, 2013. And who was right at the end of the day?

I think she was. Like 2030 is better than 2013. Hold on. We should ask Corvin GBT. Yeah, someone had just, there was, okay, Corbin GBT. What vision is better question mark? 2030 or 2013? Imagine she's wrong. 2013 vision is better than 2020 2030 vision is worse than 2020 Oh my God, so Caleb was right He had 2013 Yeah, 2013 is greater than 2020

Which is greater than 2030 Okay, she needs to go back to nursing school Yeah, she was just like, maybe she didn't sleep good She was like being a bitch to everyone Yeah, she just like was trying to fight yeah like about like she was like like searching for an argument and like no one was taking the bait yeah but you know what i'm glad for like the villa reset i think we will get yeah oh we're gonna next is going to be like least pop so what they're going to do is you voted for your favorite

so the three worst least favorite which you that's not your least favorite couple because that's just it's a manipulative way that's just people who got the least amount of votes for most favorite but that doesn't make them least favorite so it's going to be like Zach and brett i mean trinity and bryce you know you know what I mean. Actually, they might be people's favorite. It was a good episode for them. They were the first ones to do the letters. Um, the letters were really sweet. I feel like they actually really, I was like a doubter, but I actually think they really like each other. Yeah, I think so too. And is he getting better looking? Yes, because he's keeping like his hair back. His hair out of his face.

By the way, everybody is getting better looking because in the beginning of the show, I thought I didn't really find like a lot of the cast that attractive. And now everyone's like looking really good. I thought the same thing because Melanie looked insane. last night. And I'm like, you know what? Everyone looks good with the tan. Yeah. Melanie was always very beautiful. Of course. I think Kenzie's gotten better looking. Me too. I think, yeah, everyone has stepped it up. So I think what will happen is the bottom two couples of villagers who got the least amount of boats, like they're going to have to eliminate a couple. Love. Like they'll have to turn on each other. Did you think it was weird that Jen wore the same exact

outfit that Kenzie had worn like the next day? No, I didn't notice. The necklace and the like boob, uh, cheetah print dress. Oh, I didn't notice, no. I saw the necklace, but just because people were talking about the necklace, but I didn't notice the dress. I actually never, they all wear the clothes so differently. And they all, at some point in the season, like start swapping outfits.

Yeah, but I really don't remember. They also, I like that the show, a lot of them have like very distinct personal style. And it's not just like they ordered everything from Revolve. From Revolve. And everyone's like wearing the same base except like Trinity and the boots, like, sled and the gloves. How many suitcases did Trinity bring? She has like eight pairs of the biggest boots I've ever seen.

I remember Sierra last season too. It's just like very interesting personal style. It's like not basic and it's just fun to watch. It's a fun element of the show. They also all have like amazing body. So it's like a cool fashion show. That's your lie you so reacap and that is your episode. And Lafay.

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