The Toast - The Accidental Matriarch: Friday, January 30th, 2026

Episode Date: January 30, 2026

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It's Jackson, Claude and neighbor show the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off, swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to the toast. Yay, four-fri-ye. Hey, Jaquy. How you doing?

Good morning, Queen Corgi. Good morning, Popper, Jacks. I guess. Yeah, you're my loyal subject. I am. I seem very loyal. I, first of all, I'm, as loyal. I could not be more loyal as an individual.

Although I feel as though you're only only using me for Cub Corgi. Like you love Cub Corgi. That's not true because I loved Queen Corgi. Before. Long before I ever met Cub Corgi. I didn't meet Cub Corgi till two nights ago. And I've been standing Queen Corgi since October. Yeah, kind of a busy day doing press interviews.

Press this, press that. Everybody wanting an interview with Queen Corgi. She's very busy that quarks. Yeah, but she's really opening up to the press. She's really opening up. But not as much as I plan on opening up right after today's episode. We're doing like a full in-depth episode. on my entire experience on The Mask Singer for Patreon.

It'll be up today. It's our final episode of the month. And for anyone who might be new here, if you're enjoying the toast, which is free to listen to, and we'll, you know, remain that way. How we, you know, keep this beautiful lights on is we do Patreon.

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once you buy the subscription, you can go back and watch, you know, every video and podcast you've ever posted. Hundreds. Hundreds of the cookoffs. Hundreds of episodes. Lots of blogs. That's how we keep this Maverick lighting on.

Correct. So make sure head over to patreon.com to check out the mass singer BTS episode. We were recording later today. Well. Let's talk about something. Let's talk about my Botox and my filler. Because it's been a couple of days.

Setting. I feel like I'm loving it I think you look great Yeah your lips look great They look great because like They don't even look that change So what I believe I heard her talking about it And then I was like watching TikTok

Apparently this is what like the procedure If you want to call it that it's called It's called a kiss You told me that Oh I did okay so if anybody wants like you love my lips And you want to tell your doctor it's called a kiss I guess I do see like your upper lip Yeah they really they only put the needle in the top of my lip

Like to lift it a little bit And then a little Botox under my nose feel like my smile has been so less gummy. Like I'm really... Really serious smile? Party. Right? And like I can feel my forehead not moving, you know?

I'm so jealous. I was looking at my forehead today. And I was just counting down another day, counting off the calendar. Right. You're almost there. You know what? I should make an appointment with a, like, there was a person you wanted to get an appointment with, but you couldn't get an appointment for a few months.

That's when I'll be ready. Yes. I should make the appointment out. I had the best experience. I highly recommend. I probably will go there. But I'm glad that it worked out. out the way that it did. But I am in a place to get a great appointment right now. Yeah, you are,

but like, you don't know anyone who's like, like, you can see me. Like, I am. I see you for what you and I know you really are. I know you don't see my calls. Which is ugly. I texted you last night, good call. I had a good call about someone from traitors reminding us to someone we know. It was a good call, right? It was a good call. You also made a crazy call offline to me yesterday that I didn't really agree with. What did you say? What did I say? We were sitting on your couch and you said, what did you? It was really, out there. It was like, it was out there. It'll come to us. You made a call about like a celebrity who looks like someone. What were we talking about? We talk about everything. Like we cover the gamut of all things. Okay. Today's episode is fabulous. We've got traitors recap. We've got Queenie and Weenie. We've got,

you got to tell me lies. I did. Yeah, you did. Me too. Oh, great. Maybe we'll make that like a fourth story recap. Was it the best episode ever because Stephen was barely in it? I was like, think I'm like, why am I enjoying this episode so much? Like, I don't feel that dread that pit. He was in it for Two seconds. Of course, the seconds that he were in it was like enough to make me want to kill him, but there was something that was really, oh, when he sent the pictures. Yeah, awful. That was dreadful. I fucking love Diana. I love her, but she's being an idiot. Yeah, she's lost control. She had a lot of control last season, keeping things from Stephen. And this season, she like can't help but like rub his nose in it's like, girl, you're not out of the woods yet. No. And that was pit inducing. However, if someone like, I feel like it's going to backfire on him. Because why would a college, like someone's ex sent them, revenge porn. Like you, you know what I mean? Also, it's a law school and revenge porn is quite literally illegal. So I hope that that does like backfire onto him. There's quite literally nobody on this planet I hate more. Also, I liked the episode so much because it was so much, Rigley and Brie and Obsess. Like I could not be more obsessed. They make me like, I'm kicking

my feet. Like, obsessed. And like, Riggly putting Stephen in his place a number of times. But like, you could just see like, Stephen's really happy. He has no one to share it with. And he's like trying to be happy and it's like he's not really going to like have an equal and opposite reaction when he realized like oh i mean my joy is like cruelty yeah and when he was like kind of tricking everyone to go out and celebrating him i was like seriously got the biggest ick like could you be a bigger bigger loser speaking of ick i got the biggest ick last night from ben okay he was actually getting that okay so like i told you ruby that's a running nose so like this light little cold has been running through our house like you could tell i've a little i'm really fine ben got hit like with a true

cold. His nose is so stuffed. You know, and like you can't pronounce like certain vowels and consonants. Like, instead of saying like, I'm fine, he's like, I'm fine. He's like, I'm fine. You know? He was being so nasally in bed last night. Like, we were trying to watch traders. We were like getting snacks. We did go puff. Like we ordered some like true fro. And he was like, what do you want? And I was just like, yucky. He was just being like, like, I need you to stop talking. He was like, you're being so mean. I'm like, I'm sorry. But if you talk like that, and he was like in my ear too, being like, oh, my dog. I'm glad. Yeah. No, but it was worth. than that. Like, I know it was just really stuffy. And I was like, okay, get away from me. Like,

he was being so icky last night. You know what's also icky about it? It's like, you fought the same thing that he's fighting. Yeah. And Ruby's fought it. And it's like, we're all, taking him down. You're all stronger than you. Yeah. Like, I've been through this and it's like not that, it's not that serious. I've been where you are. And it's like, men used to go to war. And now the amount of tissues on. And now you're getting a worse cold than me. Oh, and then, like, as I was falling asleep, I was on in that phase of sleep where I'm just about, like, I'm, I'm, La La Land is what I call it. What do I hear?

Like blowing his nose. And I'm like, you are going to have to do that elsewhere. And then this morning he was like, I don't know if you heard, but like I left the room last night in the middle of the night to go blow my nose. I'm like, well, the middle of the night is like I probably would have slept through it. But right at like, you know, 1047 is when you need to leave the room. It's just kind of a crazy night in my house. That is crazy.

It's a crazy night in my house. Max is like sleeping like a newborn again, like eating every three hours. That's just, I don't, it could just be like a spurt. It could just be like a spurt. So we'll see because we like have been trying to get him to sleep in the crib, but might have to go go back to co-sleeping because that's not going to work. Like we get better stretches when we all sleep together in the bed. You got to look out for number one.

Yeah, like we were getting better sleep a few weeks ago than we are now. But I also do feel like that just sometimes happens. Like you're, it's not linear. It is linear, but there are like little divots. And maybe you're just in a divot. Perhaps and I'm fine with that. And I'm willing to like ride it out to a weekend to a degree. But like every three hours like 10.

three six 30 like no second work so we gotta switch it up shake it up Chicago girlfriend yeah I think I'm gonna shake up some things I was gonna talk to you about it like our schedule no no no no my feeding oh okay I would love to talk about it no I'm not it's not a full it's not a full thought oh are you thinking maybe starting combination like maybe just before bed yes by the way that's how I had to tell a lot of people do like because formula but the thing about breast milk that's so beautiful that's so beautiful is that it digest so quickly because it's so natural. It's very sensitive on the baby's stomach, and that's great. But that means they get hungry again quicker.

So a lot of people just introduce formula at night. Well, because also, like, when he's feeding all night, then when I pump in the morning, I always pump to get out the extra, and there's not that much extra. Two weeks ago when I would pump to get out the extra, I was getting like 10 ounces. Yeah, but you're also just regulating.

Like, it's now the time is what, almost three months. Enough for a bottle while I'm gone. And then some for the freezer. Today I had to take out of the freezer for while I'm gone. Oh, I've so been where you are. Because I'm feeding throughout the night. But if we don't feed in the night, then I pump in the morning and I get plenty for the day. I love formula at night.

Like, do it. It's seriously fine. I'm thinking about it. We'll see how the next few days goes, but I'm just like, I'm not taking from the back freezer. I didn't take from the front freezer. When you start, like, when you're still breastfeeding and you're actively dipping into your own stash, like, it's so traumatizing.

It's really when your milk starts to regulate. That's exactly what happened to me. My milk is regulated because I was never a pumper. But now that we're eating more at night, that takes away from what I'm producing during the day. I hear you. And I need to, like, reverse it. Yeah.

Uno reverse. 1,000%. You know, I have a can of formula that I leave at your house. Go for it. I don't know what I'm going to use. I know. The formula wars. Yeah.

It's wild out there. I'm waiting for like the episode of American greed, you know. Oh, gosh. Like it's so crazy out here. I know. It's such a hard choice. I know. Even though, like then once you do it, it's like, okay.

Yeah. I feel like now if like I was stuck in it. Because, you know, I realized on a TikTok somebody said like, you know, they don't sell any formula at airports, which is actually crazy. Like they should sell formula. They don't sell diapers either. There should be like a vending machine. Like there's kind of cosmetics, you know?

So if I was like in an emergency and I feel like now, when I was choosing formula, I was like, oh, I have to do. Look at all the studies. Now I'm like, put it in the model. Like I would take anything. What does I have to do with the airport? Like if I was in an emergency in the airport. So what would you do?

And someone was like, well, here I have whatever. I'd be like, yeah, sure. Yeah. Like I feel like the bandaid, ripping off the bandaid is the hardest part. Like if you've never given formula. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And once you have it's like whatever. No, and I have in the past.

So then we used the same one the last two times and like it was good. So I don't know why I might not do it again. I don't know. It's a big decision. Feeding. It's such a big decision. I think about what I'm going to eat so thoroughly. Like I'm always thinking about what I'm going to eat.

The amount of thought that goes into my own appetite. Yeah. It's huge. And it wouldn't make sense for us to do different formulas because we're always like sharing. Yeah. Good. Yeah. It would just be more convenient for me since I literally post up at your house all the time these days.

If you could just like be on my journey. as well. Yeah. But Rue, he's not picky. No, no. If I switch, she'd switch. Yeah, yeah. Oh, a thousand percent. That's what I'm saying. Like, I could put anything in his bottle. Yeah, yeah, because he's not a picky, Rue. No. Unlike his mama. Well, today's episode is kind of... He's like his father. Yes, exactly. In his eating habits. It's very adventurous. Vacuum. He'll try all. We'll try all right. He'll try us. We have so much to do today. We've got Queenie and we've got traitors. We actually can. Dilly Dally we have like two TV recaps, Queenie and we're recording

a Patreon after. It's like we have Let's get down to business. The girls want a mage. The Hun. Yeah, I know, but like we're not defeating the Hun here at the toes. Who do we defeat here every day? The patriarchy. I love that. Do we? I feel like we are the patriarchy. Do you feel that? I feel like

we're actually like low key defeating the patriarchy like while also trying to uphold it. Do you know what I mean? No. Like we're pro patriarchy in essence, right? Yeah, like I work. It's like a patriarchal society, you know? I wouldn't say I'm like pro patriarchy.

I'm not going to lie. I don't like 100% know what the patriarchy is. I know it's like men who built this country keeping those like women hating systems in place. And I do think there are like some of those like women hating systems are just low key like better lives for women. Like I don't love. I love my job obviously, but like I would have loved also like not to have to work. Right. That would be the patriarchy.

kept you in the home, which... Yeah, which I love my home. So, yeah, I'm sort of, like, teetering on. I can't decide whether the patriarchy's bad. So, well, I think, like, it gets a really bad rap, but I think, like, when you... I also think, like, internet... Wait, sorry, I think, like, internet speak, they confuse the patriarchy with, like, government. Do you know what I mean?

Here's the thing. A system of government in which the father or eldest male is the head of the family and descend is traced through the male line. That's literally, like, what we live in. Like, Roy... But, yeah, I guess, because, like, yeah, okay. So it's, like, we're a pro-patriarchy. like where the father would be the head of the family, sure.

Go ahead. However, like, we're actually up, like. We just found ourselves, like, in a matriarchy. In a matriarchal world. Like, I didn't set out to be a matriarch, yet here, I'm such a matriarch. I didn't set out to fuck the patriarchy, yet here we are. Fucking it. Fucking the patriarchy.

Yeah. Unintentionally. You know? That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. That's really quite beautiful. Yeah. So, someone wants to fix that.

I just think also I find, like, the word patriarchy, the way some people feel about moist, you know. I just feel like some people make the patriarchy, like, and fucking it, like, their whole personality. And I'm like, girl, go back to work. Like, I just, I find, like, patriarchy verbiage, like, an internet. Like, I find it annoying. So I'm not with them.

No, it's, it's taking on a meaning of its own, but, like, actually definition. It's just a government in which, and it is a patriarchy. So it is the government. Okay, I was wrong about that. Like, a society in which, like, the men are, hold the power. Yeah, I guess, like, we've quite literally never had a female president. Like, that's really crazy. Yeah.

But also, like, think about your kids. They have your husband's last name. It's traced through the male line. But here's the thing. Like, if I had made, like, a really big stink, like, I could have gotten Ruby's last name to be Asher. Like, I could have fought my way. We've had this conversation. I think we had it with Ben on the toes.

Yeah, we did when we were in the Hamptons. I mean, he was, like, not down. But if I, like, if I sat him down and I really worked on it, like, I could have gotten it. I think it's nice. Like, I have no problem with it not being my last name. I actually think, like, I have no, like, this is how it is now. but I do think like if I we're nearing the end of that like I think that will change in the next hundred years yeah it doesn't it like to me it doesn't make a ton of sense yeah we have said

this when we do dear toasters because a lot of girls right in being like you know it's hard to change your name and they feel conflicted sometimes someone's last name is like duty or whatever um and we always say it really shouldn't be a gendered issue it's not like it's automatically the man or it's automatically the woman I think like some names sorry like are better than others sonically some names have a lot of history. I think there's a lot of factors that go into it and the family should just decide based on lots of different factors.

How does it look? Initials like things of that, you know, some shallow. Like, you know, I don't like that last name or we had a famous uncle. No, I think there should be like a reason, but it's like the woman carries the child. That's patriarchy.

Maternity is established, you know, like it's. Oh. Yeah, so if it has, you know, if I carry the baby and the baby has my last name, like, who is this man? Yeah. But I do feel like that is classic patriarchy. Like, we carry, we feed, we do everything, and we don't even get the name. Yeah. So that's like, I don't love that one.

Me neither. But I'll accept it, you know, like, it's been this way for hundreds of years. Like, I don't necessarily think it should change now. I think that would be really confused. Yeah, I think people who hate the patriarchy, like, want to just get rid of everything, like, since the dawn of time. And I do feel, like, connected to the. woman of your because we're still doing some of the same things. So I don't know. I don't know. Like we're so matriarchical. Beyond. In our lives. I don't even think we realized, but it's

like we didn't like choose. We're just like the accidental matriarchs. That's the name of today's episode, of course, and also our memoirs. The accidental matriarch. Yeah. Please, I just, I love my job. I earn a great living. If I had it, my druthers, like I would just be a kept woman. So, especially since I'm so tired. But I love my job and I'm never going to quit. Yeah. But it's like accidental. Like here we are like, you know,

busting patriarch busters. I wish I was a way to like find a TikTok that you saw this morning that like stuck with you. Do you know what I mean? Oh my God. And the ones that I save because I think they're going to stick with me, I never go back for. And the ones that stick with me, I didn't save. Maybe if I liked it, it, I don't like stuff on TikTok. I just scroll.

But if you like it, there's like a liked section. Let me see. Fuck, no. it was this, like, video of this, like, a hundred-year-old farmer being like, why women should stay home. And it wasn't, like, stereotypical, like, make me a sandwich. It was like, women need to stay home so they can take bubble baths and live luxuriously and not get wrinkles. And it was like, yes, actually. And the comments were like, and the comments were like, and if that was my husband, I would want to make him a sandwich.

I would want to keep a nice home. The sandwiches come naturally. So the way that men talk about women staying home, it was all, like, for their own benefit. And it's like, well, fuck off. I'm going to work. But if the men were like, I need my woman to stay home so she can be happy and healthy and thrive. Well, you know what? I would want to make the bed for you, for when you get back, you know? Yeah. So I just think maybe the way we talk to one another has a lot to do with it as well. Not be like, my woman stays home and she wipes my ass and she cleans my toilets and she makes me a sandwich. Yeah. It's like, well, no. Why do you have that accent? Because the guy in the video did. Like dead ass. He was like, he was a big, like, big ass farmer. Well, I love that. Dear Farmer. Farmer. Yeah. Bring back to your farmer. Bring back State Farm.

What happened to them? They were like one of our biggest sponsors, kind of like... They were just like laying low, I guess. Yeah. But they sponsored Deer Toasters and we called it Deer Farmer and that's just Toasty Lines. We should have changed it like... Permanently. Permanently.

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Like more rollout. She went on Jimmy Kimmel and, like, FaceTime. That was Fallon. She went on Jimmy, and she FaceTime Tom Brady. And they're, like, doing more schick for the Super Bowl and Fanatics. And Tom Brady, like, is a fanatics investor. He's like a OG. Yeah.

So then Devin Booker, she said that she thought that the Seahawks were going to win the Super Bowl. She was, like, asked to, like, you know, who is she going to bet on, whatever? He commented on that. He said, I bet a million. The Seahawks get that ring before you do at Kendall Jenner with, like, the blushing, very girly emoji. Like, oh, I know that one. Spare fingers.

Yeah, that's not like for a big man, but okay. And then she wrote back at D-Book, Rolling Eyes emoji, How's the ankle? And he wrote back, come rub it. Yeah. How did he spell come? No, properly. Thank God for that.

Thank God for that. So people were like, what in the what? Is this schick? People were confused whether this was like a real, like, comment that he left or like part of the campaign. So it seems like it's part of the campaign because he also posted a story in support of fanatics. So it seems like he's in the fanatics family

and they're like bantering and getting paid to banter. However, I don't think it's part of anyone's media and marketing strategy to say come rub it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like his initial comment, like I bet a million the Seahawks get that ring.

By the way. Was mean, but also he's like betting. He's still like making about fanatics. And then they went rogue. I just feel like he went off script. Her to rub his ankle. The thing is, is not to be such a nark. Because I was loving this campaign, and I still laugh.

But, you know, I get in trouble when I don't do, like, hashtag ad and stuff like that. You know, you can get sued by the FTC. And I feel like us, like guessing whether or not this is like a paid endorsement just does violate FTC regulations. His comments should have had to have said, you know, better than before you do at Kendall Jenner, hashtag ad. Because it is confusing. Just sorry to be an arc. Yeah, but I guess when you're the spokesperson for a company, you can sometimes, like, post in support of them and it's not paid.

Yes, but we didn't know Devin Booker, like... No, but he had something on his story, like, about fanatics. Okay. Charter or whatever, like... Yeah. Yeah, also, like... I'm finding this whole campaign, like, less and less. Requires me to watch a video from Jimmy of Kendall FaceTiming to Humrady.

I actually didn't watch it because I don't care. Yeah, so, like, all the positive, like, fun feelings that I had on Monday or whenever we talked about it. Like they are lessening. It was still a great commercial, but like, you know, I don't know, Kendall was being like, you know, nerd on valid. I'm just like, I'm liking it less.

Yeah, it's just a lot to consume, you know? I don't want to have to keep up. I don't want to feel like I missed something. Yeah, and I know we were like waiting for a follow-up commercial perhaps on the actual day of the Super Bowl and that I would have been fine and fun with. It's like it felt like her spot on Jimmy was sponsored by fanatics. It like was.

It's a lot to keep up with. And I don't want to do that much keeping up at the moment. Yeah, I've seen some other rollouts. Make it easy for me. I've seen some other rollouts and it pains me because I'm about to say something negative about Uber Eats, which is probably my most use application. But I feel like they often fall into like the trope of just like, throw money on it.

Throw money, throw celebrities with like really unmemorable commercials. And they probably spend the most, they're one of the brands that spends the most money every year on the Super Bowl. And like they've already started their rollout with like Parker Posey. It's just like very topical, very white lotus. And it's just like. It's a little old stated. Yes, for sure.

I remember like they had like Ross and Rachel from friends. So they get like amazing celebrities, but everything's so unmemorable. I feel like they really like they need to do something different. They're always just doing the same formula. And I feel like it's not memorable. They spend so much money. They just like try and get the most famous person that they could possibly get. And it's like, okay.

Yeah. And there's so much you could do. It's not like a hard brand to advertise for. No. And I love Uber Eats. It's my favorite. Well, that's a fair criticism. Yeah.

Are you ready for our next story? And the commercial was so corny. It was like, well, it was like her being very, you know, Parker Posey. Like football is like, okay, she doesn't talk like that. is she was saying how football is like so food-coded. You know, Jerry Rice. Yeah, and then I don't know the other players that she named, but they all had like food in there.

And I was like, oh. Yeah, it was so, like, written by a third grader. Wow. Yeah. They need to hire the fanatics writer who wrote that Kendall commercial. Yeah. The commercial is still great. The cheese stands alone.

But, like, everything else I could live without. What's the cheese stands alone? Ben is always saying it. I realized this morning that I was the one. He literally titled our episode because I was running out the door, so I couldn't really think of a title. and you suggested it, so I thought, I just assumed that's what everyone is saying. The cheese stands alone is a phrase from the final verse of a children's nursery rhyme and game.

Oh, the farmer in the dell. The cheese stands alone. Yes. Okay. I endorse. It's cute. That's why maybe I know it now more than ever. Maybe Ben's been singing it, like in his nursery roundup, you know?

In his roundup. Perhaps. That's beautiful. Thanks. I thought it was going to be like something stupid from TikTok. That's actually really sweet. I endorse our title from the other day. You think so little of me, sweet sister.

And once again, the cheese stands alone. Imagine if we made the title, The Cheese Stand Alone again. The Cheese Stand Alone, Part 2. I'd be down if we didn't have the permanent title. The accidental matriot. That would actually, the accidental matriarch is what this show should be called. 1,000% if we ever rebrand, somebody write that down.

Like, that's the title. But I also like it for a memoir. Or it sounds like a book that gets turned into a movie. It sounds like a really great book. And then a multimillion dollar lawsuit. Oh, I saw TikTok. today. So I was telling Jackie before. Oh, we can do this story next. Oh, okay. About Justin Baldoni. I feel like I've been doing a lot of research on Baldoni v. Livley. And I know people are over it. I mean, that's just

not going to work for me because I feel like I've sort of fallen on the sword of Blake lively. And up until recently, they've been sort of laying dormant. And I wasn't 100% sure if I was right. And I was like going to stop talking about it because I feel like maybe I went too far and I would have to backtrack. And I just want to say like, prepare to be sick of me. I am now sure more than ever that I'm team Blake lively. I just want to say that. So a voicemail was unsealed. Oh, corny. From Blake to Justin Maldoni before making it ends with us.

In the voice message. And she's got some real nerve leaving like minutes long voice memo for a coworker. It's inappropriate. She is insufferable. Sent on February 28th, 2020. She spoke openly about feeling overwhelmed that she prepared to return to work while juggling back-to-back projects and newborn and family obligations. She said, I'm talking to you as a friend at this point more than anything.

She explained that she was already committed to filming another project first, despite feeling physically and emotionally stretched thin. She said the only reason that I'm doing that movie before is because I gave them my word and I wouldn't go back on that. But having a week off in between, it's just a lot. She described the stress of returning to work without adequate care support. I still don't have a baby nurse, she said, adding the idea of going back to work so soon felt overwhelming. Literally me on the mass singer.

Literally me today. Literally. Like actually relatable. I don't know why the fuck she's telling this to her like soon to be boss. Yeah. She said shooting in April, shooting in March is just too soon after having. a baby and not sleeping and wanting to be in my best shape. This is literally me.

You guys. Play about her. Please. I like that. Obviously, she said there's selfish reasons. I'm telling you this. If by chance you're like, oh my God, if I could go two weeks earlier, that would actually be great than amazing.

Oh. This is like kind of sad. Yeah. Wait. What's cringe about this? Just like her voice. Everything that she releases, her text. Like, she is just a corny millennial woman.

So she's like the way she speaks is very chuggy and corny. But the message is actually, it sounds like an earnest plea. She said, this is my social interaction. these days just talking into voice memos. So like this is like the voice memo of like a sad, desperate woman. But like this is why we need the patriarchy because this woman shouldn't be working. A thousand percent. So she's not a woman who like needs to work.

So this is like, yeah. If she didn't feel like the societal pressure to work because what? She doesn't do a movie because she had a baby and then she's put out to pasture because she didn't get on the circuit and everyone forgets about her. This is the pressure on women. No, it's a tale as old as time. And no matter what industry you're in like you're getting passed up for shit. Yeah.

Because you took three days off. If you take too long off, we can't even take a longer maternity because everyone will move on. No, it's so true. And another pop culture podcast that they love. The thing is like, that is true. Yeah, it is. And it's like not people's fault. Like, they got to live.

They got to listen to podcasts. Like, no, it's terrible. Like, we'll be bleeding out here. And then we also get accused of like taking too long. Like, I can't. So I actually quite deeply relate to Blake in this voice memo. It is just, I think the shock value is really still not wearing off for people. Like with reading Taylor's text messages.

These are things. why would we ever expect to hear like a mega celebrities voice memo? And the point of the voice memo, we said like, oh. It's great to disappear. And it's like, oh, your courts could, your text could end up in court. Let's send voice memos. But like, I thought they disappear. And he obviously kept it.

And. Nefarious people who keep voice memos are not your friend. Voice memos? I know. When someone keeps my voice memo, I'm like, why? I didn't even say anything. So I really, I'm going to call out someone by name. Remy Bader keeps all my voice memos.

And I just like voice memo her because we're like gossiping and stuff. And I'm like, why do you keep? keep keeping them. She's like, it's like a setting. I don't know how to turn off. Oh, I feel like Shannon keeps them. So I think it's a setting. And like Shannon, Remy, turn it off.

Because I'm just like, was that so interesting that you want to ever hear it again? Or it was like, I used this in them a lot when I was breastfeeding because I only had one hand. Yeah. And it's like, I'm just gossiping, but stop. No, sometimes I'm just explaining something. It's actually more boring.

That's why it needs to be explained. It's actually not like ratata ta. So I can do ratataata ta ta. I can do ratata over talking. to text. Oh, I can rata to top with the best of them. But I can't do talk to text when I have some boring nuance things to say. Yeah, yeah. That's when I do my voice memo. They're not even that interesting. So like, why are you keeping it? Do you ever want to listen to it again? I think there, I think there is a setting that automatically keep, automatically keeps them. I'll give Shad and

grace. Yeah, I'll give Rem and grace, but I think Justin Baldoni keeping them as nefarious. Yeah. So also what I was going to say is sometimes like you put like the worst in the voice note because you think that it'll disappear. It will disappear. Like when you don't want to put something in writing, you say it. But now, no. going like yeah i think we're all moving differently technologically ever since this lawsuit and like all the evidence has started to come out yeah i'll be meeting you in person if you want to talk yes if i have something crazy to say like let's go off the grid yeah you can come down to florida yeah and we'll take a drive and we can talk about it so um a lot of evidence that has uh it's so funny because so much like

documents were released that it's everything is still very slowly being unsealed i'm not unsealed but like sort of made public and i think we talked a lot last week about the cut of the movie right like Sony, why were there two? And so it's now been confirmed via documents that Justin Baldini's contract with Sony, there was always going to be a bake-off. He did not get final cut of the movie. Sony was worried about giving this huge budget. They gave him $25 million. Did they call it a bake-off? It's called a bake-off. That's what it is. When there are multiple edits of a film and then the best-tested one moves forward. So this whole time, it's been sort of alleged that Blake stole the movie and she made her own cut, like going rogue with Ben Affleck. Well, no, Justin Baldi

He never had final cut of the movie. His contract with Wayfarer is now like public. He never had final cut. There was always going to be a bakeoff. He was able to put forth his own final version. And then there were agreed upon, they were going to do the testing. And then there were agreed upon categories. There was like, you know, under 35, women 18 year and older.

And so there were two key categories that he had to win in the bakeoff to get his cut made. And he lost both of them, like fair and square to Blake Lively. Blake Lively's cut is Sony's cut. So Sony gets a cut and Justin Baldonan get a cut. I'm not 100% sure why Sony's cut they went to Blake lively, but they did. Colleen Hoover endorsed it. Wait, and all this time we thought Justin's cut

one, but Blake's went to theater. Well, actually, we thought Justin's cut one and Justin's went to theater. Now it turns out. No, we thought, but up until last week, we thought that like his was better, but Sony went with hers. Why? No, hers was better in the two key categories that before all this drama, Justin signed his contract

saying, yes, I will win these two categories if my cut. So it kind of makes sense because Justin was this sort of green director. They gave him the budget. And you know what? like say what you want about Blake Live. Like her cut went on to make $350 million. Colleen Hoover said she thought it was better.

It told the story better. Colleen Hoover also, like there are emails coming out now that she was like having problems with Justin like before Blake was even cast. Cass. Like he cut her out when she sold the rights to whoever it was. Sony. She had said like she had been burned in the past by like some of her works like them cutting her out.

And so she wanted to be more involved. There's like an email of her just like sort of pleading being like I'd like to be more involved in the script writing process. And Justin like totally cut her out and like was holding events with like fans to work on the script. And he invited Colleen but told her not to speak. Isn't that weird? That is weird.

Silencing women. Just write the script, you know? Yeah, right. Just write the script. And also, it's based on a book. It's pretty much written for you. So, like, I think Colleen endorsing Sony slash Blake's version and then Blake winning, it was like sort of a no-brainer. Yeah.

But so a lot of misinformation when it comes to the cut. And I'll acknowledge that I also was misinformed. Yeah, but that's all good to know. Very interesting. So the whole thing is that like... It's less of a stolen movie. It's more of like that she, like, wanted. Right.

And I think Justin really needs to legally prove that Blake stole the movie because if that's the case, then he wouldn't have been capable of harassing her because she was not his subordinate, you know? And that's what his countersuit was about, but it got thrown out. So he really needs to prove that Blake stole the movie, like, legally in order to be free of any alleged harassment because you can't harass someone who's not like, it's not harassment in the workplace if it's not your subordinate. Well, that's not true. I think that's like what the legal claim he's taking is. You could harass your boss. A thousand percent. Okay.

Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Yeah. Thank you for that. I feel like we're getting closer to clarity. Yeah. And the lawsuit hasn't even started yet. I just like I was teetering.

Like I wasn't 100% sure if I was right about like Clavey and I was like, have I made a grave error? And that's why I did stop talking about it. And when the lawsuit. For two days. No, no, no. Like we took like over the summer. Like there was. Oh, wow.

Because there's been a huge break. I thought you meant like since last week. No. And then like since last week. I've been feeling more like I really don't. I don't think Justin Baldoni is like this big victim that everyone like all these people think he is. Like I think like he was a freak. There's so many women on record.

I feel like that whole thing is getting pushed aside all the women on record. You know, his former podcast host need to interview her. Like she is the most interesting woman in the world to me. What did she say? Remember she just like quit being like toxic masculinity? Yeah, but I thought she quit like when he was getting canceled. Yes. She supported him for years.

Right. So is it just like you couldn't take the heat or do you have something to say? Liz Plank. Okay. For me, it was giving weedy energy. Yeah. But it could be giving victim energy. Right.

So there's the young Lily who's actresses name. I can never remember. I'm so sorry. Of course, Blake lively, Jenny Slate, the podcast host, Colleen, like saying that she was being silenced. Yeah, I'm feeling more sure than ever. Like, I'm ready to be the villain of this story. Like, I am not, I'm not team Justin Baldone.

Like, I stand firmly, like, prepare to be sick of me. I've done the research. Accidental matriarch. Yeah, look at me. Accidental. Yeah. I just think it's been so easy to like Blake live. Sure, she's annoying.

That being the headline, she's a weenie, she's insufferable, she talks weird. Her and Taylor's whip like took down. Yeah, whatever. Our next story. She didn't sexually harass anyone, okay? Netflix's new dating show, age of attraction, keeps contestants real age under wraps. The trailer just dropped for a new Netflix show called Age of Attraction that is hosted by Nick Viall and Natalie Joy Viall because they have an age guy. They have a crazy age gap.

What's the difference? She is, it's an 18 year age gap. But it just feels so much smaller because she's, he's a podcaster. So he's like in a young man's game and he looks young. He seems younger and she seems older. Right. She's like a mother already. She got it was a mother very young.

But it's still so crazy. Yeah. So they're the perfect host for this show. They are. That's called Age of Attraction. So it's a bunch of people ages 22 to 59 and they like, you know, rotate, date each other and fall in love and then they don't find out each other's ages until the end. It's giving season one of love is blind.

Like it kind of sounds like an amazing idea. I just want to say like it's it's kind of weird because like you can you have eyes. Well, yes. You might not know someone's exact age, but like you can see if they are older or younger. Do you know who like would have been perfect on this show? Who? Jessica and Mark. Oh yeah.

From love is blind. Like because they were two people who couldn't get past age. And I think sometimes that does happen. But they were like so similar in age. Like how different was it? Four years? There's this one couple that the trailer focuses on where he's clearly younger and she's clearly older and then like there and she was like typically if I had met you I would have set

you up with my daughter. Do you watch a trailer? No. And then at the end it's like we're going to share each other's ages but it's like we have eyes. You are the age gaps again? 22 all the way to 59. Yeah, I don't love like a 22 year old girl being with a 59 year old man. There is like an element of ick here.

But it's everyone has eyes. is what I'm saying. Like you could see that someone's older or younger. You might not be able to guess their exactly. But within what? Like five years you think you'd be able to guess? Five to ten. If you were in your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, like it's not that.

Crazy. It's not blind. And then at the end, they're going to say their age. And how different could your age be from what you really are? Well, let's see. Maybe they cast people. Maybe that's what like the casting director was looking for. Like people who really don't look their age.

There are people like that. Yeah. When I went to the dermatologist to get my Botox, I was like, how old are you? She looked amazing. She was an amazing, you know, um, advertisement for herself because she was 44. I'm like, you look my age. That was like me when I was at, you know, the restaurant.

They said I lived 18. Where? When was that? You were there. I don't remember. I was talking about it. But I chalk it up to the pads. What restaurant were we at?

The club? We were in the club. I don't remember. We were in the club, but it was a few weeks ago. Oh, you actually remember something from a few weeks ago? No, and it was like for me. I believe you. And that's what they said.

Yeah. And whenever, like, people see me, they think I'm there. Yeah, I think actually that is true. Yeah, I do have a youth about me. Your fair skin, your light hair, like definitely people think, like, I'm always older than you. People think I'm younger than I am. You're also, like, out in, not here, of course, but like out in the world. Like you're kind of not shy, but quieter.

Mm-hmm. So that also, like, people thinking, like, she's shy, she's young. Just like a little girl. You're giving little girl. A hundred percent. Little girl, accidental matriarch. But the show, like, is going to be great in terms of, like, reality TV. And I'm imagining there's a big twist because so there's.

Yes, there has to be. Like this guy has to be literally 22 years old. But I'm glad that that's like the minimum. You know who they would have cast back in the day? Like Taylor Hicks. Remember the guy who won American Idol who was like 22 and had a full head of gray hair? Yeah. People like that.

And I'm sure the casting team like this was an important show like in terms of casting. Yeah. I think they probably spent a long time like looking for certain people. Yeah. For old people who look younger and young people who look older. So everyone thinks they're similar in age, but then they're not. Yeah. I think that it's like a good premise.

though because I think if you can relate on like things and then you find out each other's age well it's like we already related age isn't as big of a thing as looks unless right uh it's pretty big really sometimes like you really like someone but like their age is just like well unless it's about like then kids and stuff like if that person the younger person wants divorce and you don't want to marry someone who's already been married like but that's something I would come up in the conversations of falling in love like your history and stuff yeah yeah you know but just like the like the lifestyle of wanting kids if you're with an older woman and that's just not going to be a possibility. Actually, I watch a clip of Claire Dane's.

Okay, but the patriarchy is not like God's fault. Yeah, it's biology. Yeah. It's not really. They didn't make it this way. Yeah, right. It's like not the patriarch's fault, not to defend the patriarchs. And maybe like the patriarchy is a function of the biology and the biological fact that

it's based on science. Women have a hard stop. Yeah. Well, Claridane's actually, I saw a clip of her on Good Hang with Amy Polar. talking about something so interesting that she got pregnant at 44 and she was like I had no I she her kids were like 12 years old already she had to do multiple rounds of IVF for her most recent pregnancy and she was 44 she was like she had no idea that she could get pregnant she was freaking out when she got pregnant obviously you know but she was doing IVF no like with her previous pregnancies she had to do IVF so she was like there's no way I'm 44 I had the hardest time get she and then she got pregnant just a crazy story look at that woman woman matriarch infinite possibilities it's true Are you ready for our fourth story, which is going to be Traders Recap? No. Is it our fourth story that's going to be Traders recap that's brought to you by Weight Watchers?

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over her difficult exit from Real House of Beverly Hills. Yeah, that was a weird line. That was Vernon. It was a very weird exit, but I feel like up until recently, like I've been watching the episodes and then going on social media. And I'm pretty much agreeing with everyone. Like, I thought everyone was going to be like hating on Michael for what he said to Colton. But no, like Michael was valid and everything he said. And honestly, justice for Michael. So so far, my takes with everyone had been pretty on par with the fans.

But I'm really shocked at how many people are like mad at Rob for last night. I'm mad at Rob. I'm not. I am because. I'm sorry. Lisa was like a liability. Yeah, Lisa wasn't a great traitor. And I have to imagine.

it was even worse in person. Like she really was awful. But he never said that. He never said she's a bad trader. She's a liability. That's why she needs to go because she's like giving up the secret. He like sort of exacerbated sort of a seed that Colton had planted and let it grow. Like he didn't back his fellow trader.

And I guess eventually the traders do turn on each other because you want to win and you want to win with at least at the least amount of people as possible. Right. But the less traders there are, the more the chance of faithfuls have. But also a really kind of effective. way to keep the smoke off of you is to lead a charge against a fellow trader. So like it sucks. But like look, Candace was being so obviously team Lisa. And the second the roundtable ended, everyone started saying Candace's name for the first time ever.

Rob, but Robb said it. No, someone else said it. Robin Colton. Someone else said it and Colton, I mean, and Rob like substantiated it, but he did not say it for. But he could have easily said a housewife wouldn't vote for a housewife. That's literally why Colton went for Lisa because she voted for Portia. It was very smart of Candice to vote for Rob because she was kind of in a bad spot. and she could have just done like a throwaway.

But if Candace does get found out as a traitor, they'll be like, well, who was Candace targeting? And- But why would she think she was targeting a fellow trader? Oh, true. I actually don't think it was smart that Candace voted for Rob because now Rob knows that it's war. Whereas he could have, and now when she goes,

like she has to like whip up Johnny and everyone to be against Rob, whereas she could have been doing that in secret and Rob would have no idea. Do you feel like the show is becoming a little unfair, gender-wise? like the five, the six people who won the challenge. It was five men. And Natalie, like, who's like a very fit survivor. She won survivor.

So, like, I don't know, I feel like the same thing that the women didn't have a, they don't get a chance to get the dagger or the shield. I think the challenges should be like a little bit more like intellectual. Like a combination of both physical and Donna Kelsey never stood a chance, right? She couldn't have done last night's challenge. Like, I do think they need to become like a little bit more like sort of like an escape room. Yeah. Dorenda would be good at that.

Like, I think it's becoming a. little bit unfair. And that was such a physical challenge. Of course, you have a former NFL player. It was Stephen Colletti, like, all the guys. And then they have this like boys club with Natalie, where they're like, you know, sharing secrets. I don't know, it's becoming a little unfair. I do think that they should spice it up a little bit where it's like maybe a puzzle. I agree with you. And on the one hand, it's like, oh, maybe this is like a special forces type where it's like, you don't come on the show if you're not. It's like, it's a personality game. And it is a mind game. So I agree that that's not fair. And I felt the same way. And I also feel like

it's unfair. They have this like boys group going where like, Mark and not Stephen. Stephen has a mind of his own. He does. Mark is a follower. Mark is such a follower. You know what? Johnny Weir is kind of a free thinker. He just has bad thoughts.

But I don't consider him in that group. No, but everyone who said that they were going for Natalie, literally not one of them voted for Natalie. Because Rina didn't do a good job at the round table. Rina was bad. We need to talk about Rina because I actually was sad to see her go. I was sad to see her voted out. And I didn't expect that because that's the point of the game to get the

traitors and she wasn't even being a good traitor. But to go out like that was just sad. She's like so she comes in like so hot. She talks such a big game. She did that after people were on to her. Like she flipped the switch so obviously. Like Colton pointed out that she was being quiet to everyone. So she started being loud.

That's like the most obvious thing. She should have stayed in her like it could not have been more obvious. Oh, and we need to talk about Jam Jam. Wait, we need to. No, but I just was going to say that she talks like such a, I'm Lisa fucking Renna. Like I'll be the best traitor because I'm an actress in this. And I'm a housewife. And if you don't survive housewives and can't survive the roundtable,

she literally dug her own grave at the roundtable by giving nothing. People were prepared to vote for Natalie. And she did not defend herself in any sort of compelling way. Like, I'm only coming for you because you're coming for me. It was so like. And she actually had something good to go on, which is that Natalie slipped up. Tara heard it. Like that's something tangible.

And she was not compelling at all. And it's just a case of who can speak better. And like you are a housewife and you're one of the most iconic ones. And you were taken down. by Colton and Natalie and Rob. To be fair, like, I do not blame Rob for not backing Lisa. Like, I do believe she was a liability. It's not that he didn't back her.

And he could have done it in a, like. He could have went harder. He could have used his double dagger. Like, no. But like, Colton had an idea of something. And Rob really, like, confirmed it. And the two of them went hard. And towards the end, Rob, everyone at the table respects, Rob, he could have said less.

And he went hard for Lisa. It's not that he didn't back her. It's that he went for her. I actually just don't blame him. Like last week, he kind of needed her out. Last week when he voted for her, I completely understood. Yeah. No choice.

And it looks better for the traitors if he votes for her. And it confuses everyone. This week, he gunned for her. She might have actually not been sent home, if not for him. He is the most popular person in the house. More so than Colton. He's doing Colton's bidding. I am so excited for Colton to realize that he's been like the traitor hunter.

He thinks he's like, I got a house. First of all, Rob did. And he thinks he's like so. No, but no, no, no. And literally no one's getting played like a fiddle more. That was Colton's. He figured it out first, but she only went home because of Rob. Yes.

Like he, like you said, it's the most popular guy in the house. When he finds out that like he thinks he's running this and he's the biggest loser here. I can't wait. I can't wait for that to happen. Like the person that he confides in the most is the traitor. And they will have to turn on each other. Oh, and the funny thing is that people now think like what Rob is doing, Colton is actually doing. Like they think Colton is maybe a traitor who turned on Lisa.

And they were like going at it for a while. And that was like, that's actually a good theory that's for someone to think. And it's hilarious because it's literally Colton's best friend. Yeah. So let's talk about Jam Jam and the Air Kiss. Yeah. First of all, the drama. He's getting pulled away like he's in a psych ward.

Like it plays out. It plays out. I just want to say you can really tell that like the experiment has gotten to these people. The fact that Natalie was, she was like, I was scared for my life. Oh my God. Natalie was being crazy. Like, oh my God. You're just going to be taking off the reality show.

And back to your family. Like, you're fine. He was being nutty. They were really acting like they're going to die. Yeah, yeah. It must be. And I've heard now, you told me that like before the roundtable, it's two minutes of silence. They play spooky music.

It's definitely more than I thought it was. Like, I thought it was just like reality stars like getting together. No, they do it. It's an immersive. Yeah. It's an immersive experience. Yeah. Where they actually think they're going to die.

Yeah. If they don't get the antidote. So when Jam Jam was being like taken away by the guards and like he's, it's like, it's like he's like, Oh my God. Me and Ben could not stop laughing, like the level of drama. And it's interesting that, like, he was right at Is Lisa, but they were completely wrong about how the murder in plain sight happen.

Yes. And I just want to say, I don't think it's fair that he was taken away like that and that he got to speak and say who killed him. Like it's not like to the rules of the game. Yeah, but the thing is, is that it's the same way like at a roundtable. Because the thing is he was wrong. It was Lisa, yes, but not in the way that he thought it was. so it's completely fair to like, I actually don't, I don't agree.

But what if he was right? And like, he figured it out. Like, I don't agree. I think it's fine that he was able to. And it added such a fucking funny level of drama. Well, it was funny, but it's like usually the dead can speak. You kill someone successfully. They wouldn't be able to speak.

Come back from the dead and tell you who did it. I guess, like maybe, but I'm not mad about it. I don't know. I, like, felt offensive of Lisa. I felt like it just didn't feel. Well, I wanted her to do better. I thought the show was like, I wasn't, no, but the thing is you were loving her as a traitor.

You thought she was like, you're having your renaissance. I didn't even feel that way. Yeah. But just the way she went out just felt like wrong to me. I can't explain it. I didn't feel like good. Like we got our- It wasn't prideful either.

You got yourself the traitor. Yeah. The thing, I was having a renaissance. And honestly, it was Colton who pointed out, like, what I liked about Lisa was that she wasn't being Lisa. Like, that isn't who she is. So she wasn't being a good traitor. I do think Candace is being an amazing traitor.

And I had very low expectations of her. it's tough to be a traitor and a housewife with another traitor. So, like, yes, you could say that she only didn't vote for Lisa because she is also a housewife. And she has maintained that she didn't vote for Portia, thank God. But it's starting to get a little suspicious. Like now her name's being thrown around. Everyone's names. Yeah, I guess John and Tara's names haven't been thrown around.

If your name's not being thrown around, you're not in the game. Yeah, Johnny and Tara or Mark. Maybe their alliance won't. Yeah, Mark is a disappointment. Although I didn't necessarily agree with Lisa's choice to kill Jam Jam. It felt really random. Yeah. And yes, he's, I didn't think he was.

She should have killed one of Colton's cronies to take away votes from the Colton block. Yes, without directly going for Colton. Yes. Like a Derinda or. Like a Mark. Mark does what Colton says. Yeah. And if he thinks he's singing for himself. Yeah, yeah.

He needs, they need to take away from that just like boy coalition. Yes. Because it's getting really strong between Rob and Colton and. and then they have Mark, they're turning on Stephen, obviously, a mistake. Stephen's just, like, guilty of being a good guy. Yeah, like, really sweet. Like, I actually really like him. Yeah.

I think that, I don't know, I'm not mad at Rob. Because, like, I felt it, like, Lisa, in, every time Lisa was accused, she could not have handled it where she started, like, giggling. Like, why don't you just tell him when you're a traitor? Like, go bad. And at some point, yes, it's, like, traitor strong, but you got to look out for number one. And I feel like she was increasingly becoming a liability. And the only way for him to, like, successfully navigate it.

Like, he doesn't have the housewife thing, like, that he can say and vote for Lisa. No, no, he could vote for Lisa. I have no problem with him voting for Lisa. Last week, this week, at a certain point in the episode, he led the charge. Yeah, and at like a underhanded kind kind of way. Yeah. And that to me, that's like, that's beyond like being a traitor because that your loyalty is to the traders. I guess up into a point, but I just felt like we weren't at that point yet. No, he definitely escalated. It felt like really premature to like, yes. Now because now we're at a Traders war and there's still like 10 people left. Like I don't think I agree. And they're like not going to win then they're not going to figure it out either like they were far from figuring it out this does

make it messier yeah but it also makes it really hard to hunt traders if the traders are fighting with the traders so it is also a good yeah because you could argue anything oh they voted for them because they know they're a traitor that no was a fellow traitor or they're a traitor who wants to kill a faithful like yeah so you have to just be the most compelling arguer yes that's what it is and Lisa was really not like she was bad and I feel like she's so you know like I feel like for a lot of the housewives except for Candace, because Candice is able to, like, you know, hang with the people. She's a real girl's girl.

She's become friends with everyone. But Lisa Rinna's like an entity. And it's like she's not going to ever be everyone's best friend because she's just like iconic and not interested. She's not going to be like a low, like a down low hanging out, chill in kind of girl. Like Rob and the guys and Candace and the girls. So like she was in a sort of a tough spot. Kind of like Donna Kelsey.

Even if she was a faithful, I don't know how she would have acted. Actually, I think she would have been very healthy. housewife like because it's it's easy to be a faithful you don't have this chip on your shoulder like so I think she would have been a more housewives coded version of herself yeah I think that's raw and Rob saying maybe it's a turret full of housewives that was brilliant yeah hopefully they go for Dorinda Durinda next and then get it wrong for so first all Derinda voting for Mora and spelling her name Miaira like she's spelled it like M-O-R-A there was an E in there okay M-O-E-R-A I mean how they spell each other's names hilarious um

Mora's like giving nothing. And I actually appreciated Darynda being like, you just come here and you like are such a follower and you like say nothing, you do nothing. Yeah, Mora's not a traitor, but she sucks. Like, sorry, I liked that Dyrinda came for her. I agree. And she's just another one in the Colton Rob voting block.

She's like a mark. And all she has going for at this point is the potential of falling in love. With Rob. With Rob. And then Rob having to turn on his lady love and his best friend. I can't fucking wait. Yeah. So also that rumor that we heard that.

Rob and Candace aren't speaking. Like it does seem like they don't come back together. So when they get in the turret, I was really curious to see them talking. That's where they cut off the episode. But that will be weird. Yeah. And it's like Rob is playing a really good game. He's a really good traitor and he's turning on everyone.

But it's at a point giving psychopath. Yeah. It seems like Lisa Rina did not watch one episode of this show before coming on. And Rob maybe watched every single one of them a little too closely. Like he came in. He is so smart about this. one thing. Yeah. It's weird. And that he was able to guess who had the dagger. Oh my God. That was insane. Okay. So I was like following his line of thinking. I was like, well, it's obviously Stephen.

Because Stephen picked up the plank and then like shook his head. No. And it's like, okay, well, only a liar would do that. Like it was such a weird. Stephen is an honest man. It's true, actually. That was sociopathic. I'm telling you. And so yes, he's playing a good game. But like, at what cost? Like, Gray, you're the best liar. So the thing is, it's also really interesting, like the varying levels of fame of all these people, because the pot, I think last season was like around $250,000 is where they ended up. And like for someone like Tiffany, she was saying, like, I'm a single mom. Like, she won one show once. Like, she's not a celebrity. The money actually means more to people than others. And I think like Lisa Renov, it was 250K and she split it with everyone.

Like, great. But like whatever. But I think for someone like Rob, who like his time is a little bit past in terms of celebrity, he definitely still makes like a nice living, but he lives on his farm. and he's not like, you know, out here being a celebrity, even though now he's so huge. I'm in the sonic commercial. Did you say about Trader? No, I was going to say, I don't think Rob falls into that category.

He was on Love Island, the most popular season, two years ago. I think he gets Brandeels up the wazoo and lives a quiet life. Well, he does live a quiet life. So I don't think he needs that much. He's Instagram. But I think like he's an Instagram thought. But I think the money, like, it's not really a level playing field for everyone. Like Eric.

I would think Colton needs the money more than Rob. I don't know. I keep, every time I open my TikTok, there's a, first ad for Nanit from Colton Underwood. What? Yeah, it's insane. Okay, Rob has 1.6 million followers. And they're fresh.

Yeah, and I also, I'm going to go down to like before traders. So this is November. Okay. Wait, 2024. Yeah, that's before. Oh, he doesn't post. He never posts. And he has 1.6 million followers.

Oh, Celsius partner in October. Oh, my God. Everything is an ad. Arby's. Rbies. Yeah. T-Mobile. Every single post is an ad.

Real Zaxbies. I know that. Hey dude. I'm at every single, I'm not even scrolling. Chili's, skinny dipped, organic post, organic post, organic post, okay. At 1.6 million followers. Reels, X-Bs again, T-Mobile, I'm not skipping. Me undies, I'm not skipping.

Tick-Tac, I'm not skipping. Organic post. Revolve, organic post. Poppy. Revolve. Organic post. Tinder. Wow, so many ads.

No, you're right. So he doesn't fall into the category. No. He's so cute, by the way. I just like, I love him. Yeah, no, he's really cute and I like him, but I didn't like it. I can't exactly. I just run me the wrong way.

I didn't hate it. Like, Lisa, at some point, like it's... Oh, and I just want to say the whole episode was so overhyped, like the banquet. Oh, beyond. When you hear banquet, what? So we got, like, that was just marketing. I thought it was like, I thought Alan was being real with us and he's just being a, a marketer.

No, like a corporate cog. That was insane. It was a good. It was good. It was interesting. It wasn't. I thought last week was better. I thought the Michael Colton episode was better.

No, but the pulling jam, jam away I was cracking up. Like, I get what, like, that was completely overhyped. Yeah. Fifth and final. Fifth and final was, tell me lies to recap.

Okay. So much TV was watched last night. Thank God. Such a good episode. First of all, they didn't do any wedding flashbacks. It was just like kind of an episode about people in college.

And I was enjoying it. Yeah. I loved the Wrigley. Oh, Bree. She's a very good actress. It was so pathetic. Like, a whole mom thing.

And I don't, I didn't know where it was going. Yeah. But it seemed like fine. Yeah. But the drinking was like, is this bad? No, it was definitely like imperfect, you know, and maybe she's setting herself up for disappointment, but it was more so about Wrigley being there for her.

Now I need to go back and watch the wedding. Like, is her mom there? Oh, I don't know. I love Wrigley. Like, I just couldn't love him anymore. And like, when are him and Pippa going to break up? Right. And he did so right by Pippa.

He didn't kiss. No, and Pippa wouldn't give a fuck. No, I know, but like, as far as he knows. No, he's not been a bad guy. He's been very loyal. He comes and picks Pippa, always kisses her. And Pippa can't dump him because, like, he's going through a lot. The Chris thing at that pool party, like, gave me a chill down my side.

I was like, who the fuck is that? No, and he's like, why are you saying that I read you? Like, it's a valid question, except the fact that we know that he does this. Right. He also, like, so, yes, he didn't do that, but he doesn't recognize that he does that to other people. Yeah, which it's crazy. Yeah.

And, like, Pippa gives me a pit. Like, the whole show is so pit. They should call it. Tell me pit. Give me pit. It is so pit-inducing. Yeah. What else happened in the episode? Diane, my queen.

I'm disappointed in her because, like, she's putting a target on her back. Yeah. Steven sent those photos. I can't imagine that a law school is going to get someone's nude photos from their ex-boyfriend and then kick them out of school for what? I don't know. You have to remember. It's like 2000 and something.

Like, things like that did happen. No, but, like, it's not 1950. No, I know. And but what would be her crime? Unless he sent it from her email where it's like, hey, guys. I mean, and then she says, hey, that wasn't me. And they'd be like, clearly, because only a crazy person would do that. I don't know what the angle is.

Is it just that, like, if you're a lawyer, you can't have nude photos? Who did he send it to? I would assume, like, admissions. I would assume emissions everywhere except Yale so that she has to go there. He is just the devil. Yeah. And do we assume she went through with the procedure? Yes.

Okay. Is that maybe that would be like a plot. Oh, yeah, but she just said that. No, but it was like the proceed, the reason plot why. for the pregnancy was for her to be in Stephen's orbit again. Yeah. And make them entangled. Once more.

Yeah, I saw people saying it was like a bad episode. Not a lot happened, but I enjoyed it. Yeah, it's a great show. Oh, Lucy, like, tried to, you know, have sex just the regular way, and it's clearly not enough for her. So, yes, things are escalating and you are 100% right. She's engaging in harmful behavior, and it's not enough. So she's then, you know, harming herself verbally.

And it's just a matter of time before she harms herself physically. Yeah, but especially because that guy now looks at her differently because he thinks that she has trauma and that's why she's doing all this. Right, and he was like, oh, I thought we were just having fun, but like this is giving dark. Yeah, no, he won't do it anymore. He actually turned out to be a sweetie. So it turns out like that'll be the last we see of him because she's not going back. Yeah. And so now she's engaging in like, you know, dark behavior.

Yeah, which is not good. And self-harm. And it seems like in, you know, the future at the wedding, like, she's still not healed. No. And that's upsetting. Yeah. She's like the same at the wedding. Yeah.

And that's tough to see. I can't believe last season she had sex with Stephen at the wedding. Yeah. And Steven's the same too. He's still like, you know, he's looking through Wrigley's phone. Maybe they are perfect for each other. I wonder why Wrigley and Brie don't end up together. Like, yes, it's complicated in college.

You know, I'm sure Pippa and him break up. So at some point. Yeah. And Pippa knows that he loves Brie. Oh, does he? Yeah, she said, like when they were dancing on the dance, or Pippa and Riggly, and they were, like, talking openly about it. So it must be that Brie, I mean, I think when, you know, Bree's childhood being like sort of traumatic, there's a lot of stability with Evan. He really loves her. He's very financially stable. And I think when you grow up like foster home to foster home, like you crave that. So yes, love wins, but not all the time. Sometimes stability wins.

Yeah. Something obviously happens between the two of them where she feels like she has to make that choice. I like Evan. Also, Stephen brought, I love Evan. Oh, I fucking hate Molly. I know. And it's like that exchange was really sad. But you know what? Like valid on Evan's part. Like I said a hundred times. Yeah. That this is just casual sex, which is awful, but she agreed to it. Right. And when they were playing pool and Rigley was like, well, did you ghost her or did you tell her that it's over?

And he was like, I never told her that it started. Like I know, Riggily's like, you know, the feminist voice. Yeah, he is. Of the men. But I don't think Evan. And I imagine that it's such a shitty feeling for Molly. But like he said what he said. You know.

When people tell you who they are believed. Yeah. He's been harsh, but honest. Yeah. Yeah. And when he said to Bree, like, I would stop talking to her in one second and he told me to. I need Evan to get on Wrigley's level when it comes to Stephen. Why does Stephen have this whole, he gets to walk through his apartment and leave the dishes and he paid for the sister's school?

Well, that was because Evan slept with Lucy, but now they're even. Right. So, like, he needs to stop hanging out. They're each other's friends. It's the last semester of senior year. These are your friends. What are you going to go make new friends? Yeah.

But no. Yeah. And he also, I think Stephen does roll off his shoulder a little bit now too. Like he knows that he doesn't have the power over him. He doesn't like, he's not beholden to Stephen. Yeah. But Bree's starting to put pieces together about Lucy and Evan. But I do think she'll be, well, she already knows because at the wedding she got the voicemail.

Yep. She seemed hurt but not surprised. Yeah. And at some point, like you just got to let it go. Yeah. Like it's fine. Yeah. And it's like she likes Evan, but she doesn't like love him.

Right, so it's not going to be like heartbroken. Like this is sort of a marriage of convenience at this point. Like, yeah. He really wants to be with Brie. So you know what? Be with Bray. Yeah. Let's step into Queenie and Weenie, our final segment of the week where Jackie and I deliver

two awards. Queenie of the Week and Weenie of the Week. It comes as no surprise. Let's just say together who our Queenie is on the count of three. One, two, three. Queen Corgi. And do we have the same weenie? Who's your weenie?

Picasso for beating me? Like, I couldn't say that. I have to say it. I have to say it. I said to Ben, I'm like, I have to think of my Queenie and wean. I'm like, this morning. I was like, I'm thinking of doing Pugaso. And he goes, who's Pugasso?

Like seriously? I said, are you fucking serious? And he was like, oh, yeah, I know, I know. No, I actually, I like Pugasso. My weenie would be the audience members who voted for Pugasso. Them too. Over a queenie. Because Pugasso didn't do anything wrong.

He was being himself. He was singing his best with his fantastic costume. But the audience members who didn't see true talent. And I feel like that win for you, like you needed that win. Yeah. Mentally and emotionally. And they hurt you. They hurt you.

Yeah. So I blame them for everything. Actually, I have a really funny story about me losing. I'll share it on the Patreon. It's so funny. Okay, we're about to record that. So this is actually a great segue for us to, like, sit right here and continue our conversation. Yes.

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