The Toast - The Curious Case of the Feather: Wednesday, April 23rd, 2025

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

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It's Jackson Claude and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly, it's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to the toast and happy hump day. Unfortunately, I can not participate in hump day this week. I'm just far too immobile, you know? Yes, and that's fine.

There are other ways to participate in hump day. Do tell. You know, pet a camel. Go on a camel ride. Pet a camel. Yeah. There's a lot of things you could celebrate. In spirit, you could be there for someone who is celebrating hump day.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just wanna give a shout out, not a shout out, sort of like a, what's the word I'm looking for? Not a precursor, but like a. Tell us what you're gonna do and then I'll try and tell you what you did. Kind of like a message I wanna give to everyone before the show starts.

A PSA? No, but like a, it's a pre. Like help me please find the word, please. It's like kind of the opposite of an epilogue. Prologue? Yeah, but that's not the word I'm looking for. Okay, preemptive, PSA? Kind of, kind of, keep going.

You're close. You what? I don't know. Okay, I just want to give like a, like a preemptive PSA. Wait, but like a warning. A what? A warning.

Yeah, that is another like antonym, synonym for what I'm looking for, but we haven't found the word yet. I would like to just give a warning, yes, to anyone watching on YouTube. I look sweet right now. I will have to start spreading my legs on this show. Like, I can't sit like this anymore. I'm gonna have to start sitting like a man,

and I don't wanna hear a word about it, okay? I'm going through a lot. She's man-spreading. She'll be mansplaining. But who cares if a man is spreading on a solo chair? We don't care. You know what I mean? It's just, look, this is how I a solo chair, like we don't care. You know what I mean? It's just, look, this is how I need to sit honestly

to be comfortable. Look how unattractive I look. You actually don't look bad. You look like you're sitting on a medicine ball. Yes, that's how I've been taught to sit. Which is good for your condition. Exactly, I have a condition. Yeah, that's like so Victorian age.

What is? Like calling it a condition. I have many conditions actually. It is a condition. So I don't want to hear a word about the way I'm sitting. Like if you want the show to go on for more than an hour, I'm just gonna have to sit like this, okay? I don't think anyone minds.

I think you are the one who's mind. I mind. I don't want to watch clips of me later today looking like this. I understand. I feel sick. Maybe we'll like just cropping like above the waist for you. Love that. If you see clips for the next couple of weeks

where I'm extremely zoomed in, don't ask questions. Yeah. I think you look prepared. Ready for anything. Yeah. Your posture is great. Thank you. It's not what you think, coach. Okay.

So that was my little preemptive warning. What was the word I was looking for? Whatever. Hey, Jax, how you doing? Happy Wednesday. Today we have a great show. We have the Valley recap. Yes, we do have the Valley recap.

Excited to talk about it. I also watch, watch what happens live with the pregnant ladies, which was so cute. Oh no, I went straight to sleep. Well, I wasn't gonna watch, but then I saw it was Valley and it was only Valley, not some rando. And it was me and Kristen who are both pregnant. And I don't think that Watch What Happens Live

has ever been so pregnancy friendly. It's just like, I wanted to support what they were doing. Did you feel like an obligation to watch? Not obligation, I wanted to support what they're doing. That's beautiful. Because I feel like sometimes you get pregnant and everyone forgets about you until you're ready to be a snatchler again.

And Chris and Dodie refuses to be forgotten. No, and like platform pregnant women. I love that. And I'm going to watch live. That's beautiful. Even though their polls are rigged, they gave everyone two seconds to vote. And not that I voted. She says the polls are rigged.

But like the last every poll starts and one answer goes to 100. And it's literally never the winning answer. So someone just voted one person and then they're waiting for the rest of the votes. And they cut off the last poll like when it was coming down from a hundred to like 98 and they told Kristen she won, it was like Kristen versus Janet or something like that.

And it was like- Jackie, they're protecting pregnant women. That's true. But Kristen, she doesn't need protecting from audience opinion. Like it doesn't, it rolls off her back. They were actually playing on Bravo before the new season, the new episode of the Valley last night.

They were playing old Vanderpump roles episodes, season one, Jax, Kristen, Stassi, Tom. Let me tell you, it was a trip. I haven't seen it in so long. And they played the episode where of course, Kristen gets backhanded by Stassi. And then Tom and Jax like go at each other in the middle of Sir.

And it's seriously so funny when the group erupts and Jax and Tom are like physically beating the shit out of each other, everybody disperses. Cause they were in a big group. All the girls are there. They're like in and Sheena gets shoved. She is in the corner, sobbing. I just got my toothpicks and they shoved me.

And it's like, your tooth is fine, you're fine. It's actually funny because the running joke now is like, you know, a senator dies and it's like, well, how is she and a she doing? And she has been that way since day one. It was hysterical to watch. That's great. We love consistency.

I was also thinking when I was watching last night about the origins of the show and like how Jax and Stassi were dating and they were like the- A couple. The number one couple in this group. And there could not be two more different people in present day.

Like Stassi- Two more incompatible people. He's gonna be on the cover of Vogue. Yeah. Jax has a thong on his counter. I was thinking that too when Kristen was in his house, I'm like, you two fucked. I'm thinking like you two are perfect for each other.

1000%. Even though nobody serves Jax in his current state. 1000%. So we'll do a full Valley recap at the end of today's episode. Stories, how would you describe? Good. We'll see.

To be determined, you know, like the stories will be what we make them. I believe it was the great Hannah Montana who once said, life's what you make it. So let's make it rock. And we do make it rock all the time. Even yesterday, Mr. and Mr. Maldonado, like we didn't want to talk about it. It wound up being like the funniest conversation of the day. So title.

It wound up being the title. Thanks Joe Exotic. What's so funny is during Watch What Happens Live, like Andy's mausoleum to Joe Exotic. Does he still do the mausoleum of the day? He does. I thought he didn't. And then like, he weirdly made the jackal himself for being married like less times than Joe Exotic,

like, cause Joe Exotic- Oh, so they couldn't think of anything. Joe Exotic is on like his sixth husband or third. Fifth. And Andy's like, he's been married more times than I'll ever be in my life. Like does Andy even want to get married? Cause he'd be married. Yeah, a thousand percent.

He's the most eligible gay man in New York. Like every gay guy is like dying to date him. He's wealthy, he's successful, he's handsome. He's so funny, he's got a great personality. That's like Leonardo DiCaprio being like, I've never been married. It's by choice, please. Like, stop. Like, I don't feel bad for you.

Don't pretend to be relatable to people who actually want to get married and can't. Yeah, that was like a flop of a jackal. Just want to say nobody asked it. Yeah. I feel like it's hard to, I mean, we do Queenie and Weenie once a week, which is like similar to Mosel and Jackal. And sometimes it's hard to come up and they have to do it every day. We have a whole week of stories. Yeah. Yeah, but the pressure's on for Queenie. But they also have like a whole production team.

And like the pressure's on for Queenie and Weenie because like it's so amazing, you know, when we crush it. Mosel and Jack-Hole stink. Wow. She says Mosel and Jack-Hole stink. And like stop with the Mosel, okay? You don't deserve it. She said what she said.

I mean, we all agree. I wish I had more to update you guys on. Oh, also Andy's attitude last night, I'm on Andy attitude. Oh yeah, what was the, like the Bechdel test of Andy's attitude? Neutral fine, like neutral good. However, the only time in the episode

when he like actually perked up and slowed down and was like paying attention and all of a sudden in no rush, two people came on the virtual to ask a question and they had a dog with them and the dog looked a little bit like Waka like with the ears and oh my god, your dog is so cute. That's really funny. They were like, oh my god, he would love to come to see Watch What Happens Live. Because you know he like literally rushes those people off usually the call, people call in or zoom in.

He rushes them off so quickly. Claudia, all- What's your name? Where are you from? What's your question? All of a sudden, so much time he's joking with them. They're like, he, the dog would love to come see Watch What Happens Live. And Andy's like, that's not gonna happen.

Like- Oh, that's funny. No dogs on the set. Sorry, you guys could come. And like literally, time stood still. Meanwhile, normally if people love to, they say their question, but they love to say one thing before being like,

Andy, I love you or what were the guesses? I read your book, you meant so much to me. And they dress like everyone in the room before they ask the person their question. And I know it pisses Andy off so much because they don't have any time. He's like, thanks so much, what's your question? Where are you from?

And that's hysterical that he gave the time of day to the dog. Yeah. And someone in the audience asked a question like on the microphone. I thought they were bringing that back. Cause like they need to get rid of the virtual questions. These people are loose cannons.

Like it's so weird. It's so awkward too. The girl's like reading off a screen, like stop. Like why can't it be the audience members? A lot of times they clearly have it memorized or like they have a post-it taped to their webcam because I mean, it is a lot of pressure and if it is live, it's even more pressure.

I agree, that's like a Zoom thing, a COVID thing that they brought into. That COVID thing that's gotta go. Agreed, what did they do before they had people call in? Okay, well I like the audience. Me too. Works for me. Yeah.

So anyways, that's your watch what happens live recap. I wish I had more to like update the crew on, you know, in terms of what I did yesterday. It was just a busy day taking care of me, acupuncture, physical therapy. I did my stretches all night long. Like I'm tired of doing it. I know you guys are tired of hearing about it.

So like, I'll just shut up. Sometimes self care looks like hard work. And sometimes hard work looks like self care. It's a lot of work. I'm sorry. I had a nice evening yesterday. We had a picnic, a pizza party picnic. Without me.

Cause the cleaners came, my house was so clean finally. Cause it was like a tornado blew through here over the weekend with the potty training and everything. So I was like, I don't want to cook. I don't want to be like picking up food off the floor. Let's go eat in the grass. And we picked up some pizza and we had like a little pizza party.

It was really cute. Highly like free idea. Like take your kids out for a pizza party picnic. The way like the housekeeper coming like changes the whole week. Yeah. And I don't know if I shared this, but like the other day Ben was like,

we should just order in tonight, right? Cause the housekeeper was here yesterday. And I said, who do you? Like my work is done. Like he's aware of that. Yes. Yes, we should. Of like the correlation. We should order in.

And he was like, and we're going away. It was like maybe the week we went to the Mayflower and he was like, well, we're going away on Friday. So the housekeeper came on Thursday, on Wednesday, Thursday we should just order in, right? Planning? I've literally, and my nipples got hard. I was like, yes, yes, we should order in.

Tell me more. And then by the way, I forgot to tell you this. Okay, so Ben used this studio yesterday to record. Good guys, not my setup. This little corner of the studio is off limits to everyone. But we have another little setup when you came to New York. So I said, Ben, yeah, feel free to move some furniture around and use the camera.

And I think it's better because then we don't run into any potential issues of him turning my microphone off or whatever. So I said, Ben, yeah, feel free to move some furniture around and use the camera. And I think it's better because then we don't run into any potential issues of him turning my microphone off or whatever. So you think. So I was feeling really good this morning. You're like, feeling really good and I'm getting dressed and I'm explaining to Ben how tough it is to get dressed because it's so hot in the city and my studio is so hot.

He was like, yeah, it was really hot in there when I was using, I actually opened the window. I'm like, yeah, I open the window all the time. It like lets in a lot of fresh air. It's nice. He was like, yeah. And then he starts like stewing. I'm like, what's wrong? He's like, he was like, I feel like I'm gonna close the window. And I started to freak because I already have like a pit

about leaving the window open. I feel like a bird's gonna fly in. Like I just, and right outside my window is someone's like alley thing. So they like leave their trash there. There's definitely rats, like for sure. So trying to leave the window open. I feel like a bird's gonna fly in. Like I just, and right outside my window is someone's like alley thing. So they like leave their trash there. There's definitely rats, like for sure.

So try to limit how, I'm like the window's been open for 15 hours. I was about, I was seriously so mad. He's like, let me go to the studio first. I'll go check it out. Make sure like I did or didn't close it. Make sure there's not a pigeon. Made him FaceTime me,

because I knew if the window was open, he would close it and say that it wasn't. So I made him FaceTime me and the window was closed. So I'm like, okay. He was like, Claudia, I'm so shocked. I was 100% sure I left it open. And I was like, okay. Okay.

Then I got here today. The window was 1000% closed, but there were some packages inside. So one of the guys who works in my building, he has a key, he lets in my packages. So maybe he dropped off the packages and then saw the window and closed it as a courtesy, because when I was cleaning up,

Ben left it a little messy, I saw a couple of feathers on the ground. Feathers on the ground. And where would a feather seriously, where would a feather have come from? And it was gray black, like the color of a pigeon. My God. I don't think that your building person

would shut the window actually. I feel like they would. No he would. Like I'm telling you my relationship with him. Like he looks out for me, I look out for him. Like we're good friends. Maybe you left it open on purpose. Like to air out the space.

Like, I don't know, that's not something that, you like that such a red flag. Should I ask him like we text? Yeah, we need now to solve the mystery. Be like, just curious, was the window open when you came in? Hey, Kama, just curious period. When you dropped off packages yesterday, dash, was my window open?

Thanks. We have to get to the bottom of this. I know, because I said to Ben, if you walk in there and the windows open, there is a ban. You are not allowed to use my studio anymore. And I've kind of told him to fuck off because he's made so many issues in our studio, but he needed it.

And I was like, you know what? I don't use that second studio, sure. I thought I could be magnanimous. And I'm like, day one, you're causing issues? I'm not even worried about a pigeon. I'm really worried about a rat. I am worried for you. Yeah, so I'll keep you updated on what he says.

Keep me updated, wow. Yeah, it was a busy morning. Yeah, seriously. Yeah, it was a busy morning. I also seriously. Yeah, it was a busy morning. I also forgot to totally update you guys over the weekend, but I started our new car journey because I'm looking for a new car. I know, this has been so exciting for me.

It has been really exciting. I spoke- To see you going through what I've been going through. Yeah, I can't believe you ended up with a Tesla. That's so not even in my options. It wasn't in my options. If you remember, I was gonna do Volvo XC60, like a couple of mom cars.

And then I had lunch with someone who has a Tesla and they made us test drive, it's like, it's six, zero to 60 in power five seconds. Which doesn't get me going, except when I am in a red light and it turns green, I'm ahead of everyone when it turns. Cause my car starts faster than theirs. Yeah, but not for long.

What do you mean? Like you're a slow driver. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's like if I need to switch lanes, I don't have a pit about it. That's good, yeah. And he showed us the car, which was really cool. Explained some of the features, no key, whatever.

You just walk away from the car. It wasn't doing anything for me. But then he was talking about the safety. And I was really interested in a safe vehicle. And they are so heavy, the battery is so heavy, it makes them really safe, and they can detect certain accidents. He really made a case for the safety,

and I was like, okay, done. And you can literally order, you can order other cars online, but you can literally order a Tesla on your phone and like I'm picking up my new one next week. I know I say that every week by the way. I didn't drop anything off in your space yesterday. So I don't know.

Okay, no, that's good because that means when Ben was here, he brought in my packages. Oh, Ben did close the window. Where the fuck did that feather come from? I don't know. Ask Ben if he brought in the packages. Maybe it was like a different super. No, no, no.

We need to put it like, we need to bring this case to a close. Did you bring in packages to the studio yesterday when you were here, question mark? Or this morning. Or this morning, question mark? Good call. Okay, yeah, so we started,

we like went to a bunch of dealerships. What I thought I wanted, I spoke to the car mom at length. I've actually narrowed it down to a couple of cars. I spoke to the car mom at length too, and then she endorsed my choice, so I felt good. I was being, she endorsed, like she's endorsing my choices. I like fell in love with this car, this Lexus,

and she was like, no. Why? No. She was like, your Duna will not fit. Why? I didn't even think that car seats like couldn't fit in certain cars. Like the second row was just not big enough for a Duna. And she was like, your Duna will not fit. I didn't even think that car seats couldn't fit in certain cars. The second row was just not big enough for a Duna.

And she was like, it's big enough for some car seats. The Duna happens to be big, but as a city dweller, you don't have a choice, you need a Duna. Okay, the Duna is big, but if you put it on the side that you're sitting on, so if you're the passenger and you don't need a lot of leg room, you're fine. Yes, that's what she said, but what if I need it to be on the other side for some reason?

I'm not buying a car that I can only use half of, you know? That's true. But I have a small, like my car is small for an SUV and like car seats fit, like it's not been an issue. Your car is not an SUV. Yes it is. No, it's not.

What would you say it is? sedan. An SUV is like, what Zach drives, like a big car. That's why I said it was so crazy that that's what you landed on. Like, cause I'm only. And SUVs like, well, it's actually like a big car. That's why I said it was so crazy that that's what you landed on. Like, cause I'm only looking at SUVs. So I have a couple in mind. She did recommend, I'm between three cars.

If anybody cares, if anybody cares. It's the Mercedes. I don't know what it's called. It's the BMW X7 or the Genesis GV80. Ben's actually at the- Genesis? Yes. That new brand? Ben's actually at the- The Genesis? Yes. That new brand?

Ben is actually at the, Ben is actually at the dealership right now. He's loving it. The Tesla Model Y is a compact crossover SUV. It's, I'm sorry, it's not an SUV. It is, it's not a sedan. The sedan is the Model S. You guys, like it's literally the shape of a sedan.

What are we talking about? It's not a sedan, I'm just telling you, it's an SUV, it's a smaller one, but it is an SUV. Just to like defend maybe. Like I'm just saying it's not. Okay. Everything I know about SUVs, which is kind of a lot, there's no way.

There's mid-size SUVs, there's extra jumbo SUVs, mine is a small SUV, a compact crossover, I'm sorry. Compact crossover? I don't know about that. So the journey continues. Why Jen is this? Margot put me onto it. It's first of all, so nice.

And when the car mom did a video for me, like before I ever reached out to her, she recommended a few cars and that was like her top pick for me. So then I looked into it. And Ben is there now. The thing is being better obsessed with the idea of getting a Hunter Green car, mostly Ben,

and not everyone makes Hunter Green. So like when the Genesis came in like a forest green, he's like, oh, okay, I'll get it now. He's very transparent. He's doing a test drive right now. So stay tuned. Who makes the Genesis? Genesis.

Where are they based out of? It's Hyundai. It's Hyundai? It's like the parent company or whatever. Oh, so it's Hyundai. Yeah, but it's a Genesis. It's like, by the way, and now I'm learning so much. You know Toyota owns Lexus?

I think I knew that, but they're like different. Mercedes owns Acura. I didn't know that. Yeah, like they all are like, it's a conglomerate energy. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I endorse the Genesis. I see them a lot. I'm always like, that's a nice looking car,

but when it's a new car, you know. No, let me tell you, low key, it looks like a Bentley. Yeah. The logo's eerily similar. So I'm just gonna let people think I'm driving a Bentley. Well, I look forward to seeing what you decide. Yeah, it's been a journey, you know? Not one I'm particularly enjoying,

but I'm learning a lot. It's exciting. A new car is always exciting. I'm picking mine up next this weekend. Except I do not like new car smell. When I was at the dealership and maybe it's because I'm pregnant, but I'm like, why do we chase this high in season one of Desperate Housewives when she realized she's pregnant because she's throws up at the car dealership. That's so true. Why are we chasing this high of new car smell? Like, no, I want you to scar smell. No. It smells horrible. I think we chase new car smell

because it means you're getting a new car. No, it means new. And it means new car. Clean and fresh. I love a new car. It is exciting, although it's overwhelming. It is. It's so many choices and it's a big decision.

It's a big decision. Although we lease, we don't buy. So it's a big decision. It's a big decision. Although we lease, we don't buy. So it's like not that big of a decision. It's still two years. Three years? Yeah, maybe three. What kind of lease are you gonna do? What kind of business y'all in? I'm not sure, I'm thinking two to three.

Three's a long time, do two. You think three's a long time? Yeah, my last lease was two. Yeah, mine was two, perfect amount of time. Zach's is three, it's getting long in the tooth. Zach's is getting a little long. Yeah, and we're getting the Hyundai Santa Fe. Wow, okay, so like.

So we'll be like Hyundai swirlies. Hyundai. Hyundai swirlies. I'm starting to sweat. It's really hard for me to get dressed. Like I'm not to sweat. It's really hard for me to get dressed. Like I'm not into this weather. It's made me think I cannot believe that Charlie was born in August.

What the fuck did you wear in July? Like I, it's May. It's literally the most gorgeous weather. This is what people dream of. It's 60 sunny. I cannot stop sweating. And I don't know what the hell to wear. Yeah. Just wear like, what was I wearing?

Showing leg on the podcast is not an option. Right, that makes it tough. Cause you could wear like a body suit with like a- Yeah, of course. No, no, like out and about. Yeah. But no, and the podcast, like Ben was like, just wear biker shorts.

Why don't you wear like a body suit that it's pants too. And like a collared shirt over it. I just need like loose. Yeah, but those body suits are comfortable. They're not like- Just getting it. I just need like loose. Yeah, but those bodysuits are comfortable. They're not like, they're not so tight there. And it's kind of nice to have like a little bit of structure. I feel like I'm going to be able to find like three outfits

that work. One of them is going to be our oversized merch t-shirt. And I'm just going to have to wear like rotate them throughout the week. And I don't want to hear a word about it. Okay. Yeah. I think that's fair. And you're promoting your brand. So she's being good business woman.

You have been promoted. I actually thought about that woman the other day. You are now one of my elite employees. She was so viral. What happened to her? She went back to promoting her elite employees. Right, being a girl boss and CEO. Yeah.

I'm actually like, I feel I am who I am because of her. I'm heavily influenced by her. But you don't even know what she's doing. I should follow her. I'm sure like, I feel I am who I am because of her. I'm heavily influenced by her. But you don't even know what she's doing. I should follow her. I'm sure she has other premium content that's being slept on. I think she like walks into local businesses and says like, hi, I'm a girl boss and CEO.

And like, I wanna, you know, I wanna help you elevate your establishment. We need her. It's kind of giving undercover boss. We need her. Totally. Yeah. Should we?

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so not Mrs. Chalamet, but for our purposes, Mrs. Chalamet. Oh, I wonder, maybe she went back to her maiden name. Maybe she didn't take her husband's name I don't know why I feel like his parents are married still he gives off that energy Yeah, like stable family life. Let me look it up. Yeah, but keep keep talking They always are like all on the red carpet together Anyway, she revealed how she feels about his her son's girlfriend in a rare interview published on Monday She said I have to say she's lovely. She's very

nice to me. She also detailed the moment that she found out that her son, Timothy, bought an 11 million dollar home in Beverly Hills to be closer to Kylie, presumably. She said, Jackie, they are not married. They're not. They were married from 2008 until 2014. Nicole is a former Broadway dancer. She works as real estate agent now in New York City and Marc, the dad, Chalamet, is a French journalist who has worked for La Parisian and the UN they met in New York City while mark was on assignment Together they have two children Pauline and Timothy when's Timothy's birthday? like they got married in 2008 they could have had kids before that I know but like that's just like I

Guess he's French. So The rules of when. When in Rome. Go out the window. And that would make sense as to why Pauline lives in Paris. Paris. Now with her bebe. So actually just. They've always had like French vibes.

They give French, I guess Chalamet is a French name. Yeah. She said, did he ask for my advice? No, before he bought the home, he said, guess what? I bought a house in Beverly Hills. By the way, I don't think him buying a house in Beverly Hills. So. I don't think him buying a home in Beverly Hills, like obviously he'd like to be near Cali.

He's a working actor in Hollywood. Like you need a house in LA and it's not like he bought it in Hidden Hills. Sure, sure. He bought it in Beverly Hills. Sure, sure. But he's been a working actor in Hollywood for a long time. And now.

It's definitely amping up. Don't you think? Like he's more in demand than ever. I would say starting call me by your name. Like that was the kickoff of Timmy. No, I feel like he really needed a place starting. Let's think like, what was maybe Dune. Yeah. So why now?

Why this house? I mean, it's hard to find a house, you know, it takes time. Probably he's been living with Kylie. 1000%. Maybe he likes to rent, you know, I love to rent. You do love, maybe he's like a Claudia at. 1000%. Maybe he likes to rent. I love to rent. You do love, maybe he's like a Claudia at heart. He's a renter.

But then he just plops down $11 million. Maybe not a Claudia. Maybe Claudia in a different lifetime. I will buy a home eventually one day. I don't plan to live this untethered life forever. Do you plan to buy a home? I feel like you don't. Oh, I guess.

You know, my dream is like, I don't think I would ever buy a. Do you plan to buy a home? I feel like you don't. Oh, I guess. You know, my dream is like, I don't think I would ever buy a place in New York City, but I would love to own like a second home. Yeah, and that's what people in the city do do. Some people rent the city. Right, because renting is so fabulous. And then own a second home in the country. Right, or the mountains, the beach.

I'm open to really all elements. Yeah, I feel like Timothy would like that too. And maybe Timothy was like that too. Yeah, definitely. He definitely runs it. He totally has a place in New York because he's always here. He was at the Knick Game the other night

and he totally runs. He's like a New Yorker, right? He's like a classic guy, you know? Yeah, but I don't know if I'm just conflating him with like all those pictures from him filming Bob Marley. Oh, when I think of him in New York, I think of those pictures of him filming Gwyneth Paltrow movie, Marty McFly, whatever it's called.

The Kiss? The Kiss, yeah. Is that in New York? Yeah. Okay, yeah, he's like really a New York guy, plus his sister's in Paris, so it's closer. I wanna say, I think this woman did an excellent job, obviously, being like the mother of a very famous person

dating an even more famous person, Donna Kelsey comes to mind, and she's had a couple of flubs. So, and everybody's very critical too, right? Like we're reading so in depth into this woman's article. So you almost like can't do a good job. And she did a lovely job. She said, Kylie's lovely.

She's lovely. She's very nice to me. And then she made like a funny little joke. Oh, my son bought an $ million dollar house without telling me. Ha ha ha. She came off real normal. Yeah. Underhanded like right.

I like I feel like there's always like an underhand where it's like, wait, what? And then they say, no, I'm an old lady. I'm confused. But we know what they said. No, and I don't feel that way about Donna Kelsey. I feel like Donna Kelsey just got really nervous. Donna Kelsey is also just like she Kelsey just got really nervous. Donna Kelsey is also just like, she's just a victim of circumstance.

Like it's, the Taylor Swift of it all, like Taylor's so much more famous than Kylie. Like it's just too much. Like she couldn't have, literally she couldn't have done it right even if there was a way. Like there's not, you know? Yeah. But with this woman, I think she really did a lovely job.

She sounds like her and Kylie really get along nicely. And the thing with the Kardashians is like, the families of the men that they date, like love them, right? Like they all become family. Like French Montana is still hanging around Chris and he dated Chloe for five minutes. Like they really bring, I mean, Amari,

like they bring in everyone into their family. Their family just keeps growing. Right. Except for Chris Humphrey's sister. Correct. But she had like a chip on her shoulder, which I totally understood. She wasn't wrong. So maybe Pauline and what's the mom's name?

Nicole. Nicole Flender. Like I could see them on the next season of Keeping Up, you know, at Dream's birthday party. Yeah, definitely Pauline now that she has a baby too. Like she'll want to go to all those activities. Even though she lives in Paris, which is just like a little inconvenient.

She's gonna have to come back soon. Yeah, actually, Sex Eyes of College Girls got canceled. I don't know if she does have to come back soon. Yeah. Actually, Sex Eyes of College Girls got canceled. I don't know if she does have to come back soon. Well, for Kylie and she'll have to, you know, be an aunt to baby Shalome. Yeah, right. Right.

Like, I'm on baby Shalome watch now. Like, it's time. I do think about the fact that Kylie has two kids and it's so crazy because she's so young. And in the context of this relationship, like what that means, like Timothy is the stepdad. I mean, we've never seen them all out together, but I imagine that they do stuff

and like they've met Uncle Timmy. And what does that look like? I think it looks beautiful. Yeah. I mean, I think it really, it does look beautiful. He's not the stepdad. He's the dad who stepped up. Because they're still together.

So like that's all going well and they're so happy. And so I think it's really working out and she wants a lot of kids and this is the love of her life. So there will be baby Chalamet. Yeah. And that's just- God willing. God willing.

And those are things that I look forward to. God willing. God willing. Leigh-Anne Hara. Are you ready for our next story? A little more love news. Eagles quarterback Jaylen Hurts quietly marries Brie Burrows. So the star player.

Hearts are breaking everywhere. Yes, but no, like you guys couldn't get him. So let it be Brie. Ah, you never stood a chance. You never stood a chance. Like he's so serious, he's so talented. Like he's very. You never stood a chance. Like, he's so serious. He's so talented. Like, he's very devoted to this woman.

He's devoted. He's loyal. Like, I'm sorry. You never stood a chance. So I hope you weren't wasting your time thinking that. Yeah. The Philadelphia Eagles player and Brianna Brie Burroughs quietly tied the knot he revealed to Men's Health.

In his cover story published on Tuesday, he did not provide details on the private couple's spring wedding date or location. Instead, he said that by the time the article was published, the outlet could refer to her as his wife. That's so cute. I didn't even know he had a girlfriend. He's very private.

He's also, I feel like, one of those players who is well-known and famous for his work on the field. And that's it. We don't know a lot about his personal life, except I know that his work on the field. And that's it. We don't know a lot about his personal life, except I know that his whole team is women. They love that, like manager, agent. Pablo says everyone's a woman. But beyond that, we just know his stats

and he keeps separation of church and state. So I feel like that's kind of a nice way to live, but it's nice that he shared this with us. That's really cute. That is really cute. I also learned from Aaron Rodgers documentary that like once you become a Super Bowl winning quarterback, the spotlight on your personal life gets so much bigger.

Like before you're that, you're a famous football player, but like it becomes so much crazier. Like when you win the Super Bowl, when you're the star quarterback, like for Aaron, he was, things were quiet for him until he won the Super Bowl. That like changed his life. He's followed by cameras. I do agree that Jalen keeps it

more under wraps and Aaron was like he has all this drama that follows him. Right. Like he was kind of like the perfect storm, not only because he has this like crazy family drama, but he dates famous women like a lot of them. Danica, Olivia, Shayla. Right. He makes it like easy for the press to, but Jalen kind of lives a quiet life as far as I know. So there's not a lot of meat there. Given that he won the Super Bowl this year, he is the best player in the league.

I think we'll be hearing a lot more about him, probably against his will. Probably against his will, yeah. Well, listen, it's a price of fame. It is, it's the price of greatness. They say that if you are to marry an athlete, like football players are the best ones, because they have the shortest schedule

and like you have the most free time to get married. Whereas like remember Kate Upton, when they were getting married, they had like three days off, because her man is a baseball player, which is like the worst schedule, but he was also like an amazing one, so he was in the playoffs and then the World Series.

And like their wedding came really close to the actual World Series. Yeah. So not that, you know, I'm looking obviously. Not that you have your like pick of the. But if I did, like I'd definitely be hanging out in the stadiums. You'd go football?

Yeah. I feel like basketball, they don't like, No, basketball is a lot of games. It's like 80 games a season. Literally the football players play 18 games. That's so funny, but they also get seriously injured. And the baseball players, they have like in the hundreds. Oh, but then you do have to deal with like,

perhaps like a concussion. Yeah. And like, yeah, that's tough. That's tough for sure. Everything's a trade off. What do you think is least prone to injury? Golf? Basketball.

Even though like you can pull your shoulder. No, golf elbow is a real thing Ben gets it all the time. Planters fasciitis. Planters fasciitis and of course like a bad back. I would say also tennis being a tennis wag looks to be fun. Paige makes it look fun. It does, it does.

Except like when I think about attending a lot of games of a particular sport, tennis is so quiet. And it's like, yeah. And there's not a lot of- Like we can't giggle. It's not like high drama. It's a lot of boring before it gets interesting. Yes, similar with golf.

But golf, I didn't realize they play every weekend. They actually have crazy schedules. And for a lot of the men, they have to choose between having a happy family life and being a present dad or being great. That's what Tony Finau is experiencing in 2022. He's so cute though. Oh my God, he won one weekend on the PGA Tour,

3M or something. And his whole family was there. He has eight kids. And his wife's father had passed away that year, so she was struggling. So he brought his whole family on the tour. They traveled with him like the whole year and all the commentators were saying,

like it was taking away from his game, like he's so distracted, he's with his family, just his family, God forbid. That's so wrong, that's so wrong. Literally God forbid. And then he won with them there and it was really cute. I was like getting a little emo and then I had to turn on the valley.

But golf is like the same thing, like kind of quiet and boring. Peaceful. I think, I think, I think football, like the games are rowdy and fun, good food, liquor. Drinks. I think, yeah, I think I'm definitely made for the football wag life if, you, if my time should ever come.

And as a spectator in golf, you have to stand. And walk, like from hole to hole. And walk. No fucking way, no fucking way. Thank you, I forgot about that part, you reminded me. Are you ready for our next story? Is that why you don't go with Ben? I mean, there's a lot of reasons.

No, when Ben plays like with his amateur level, you could take the cart. Yeah. But they don't use carts. No, they don't. That's a missive sport. Correct. Are you ready for our next story?

Mm-hmm. Penn Badgley is sharing the struggle of dating Blake Lively while filming Gossip Girl. So Penn Badgley went and called her daddy. He's actually talking about being Dan Humphrey, which I don't know, feels surprising. Yeah, except like when you're, he's a podcaster, like by trade.

And you kind of, you have to lean into the lore if you want to be successful. And he is a successful podcaster. He is. So he actually said that when he was doing Gossip Girl, living in New York and dating Blake, he felt he had a hard time like separating his, like Penn self from Dan self.

He said, when you're doing a television show, you're doing it constantly. He added that as his stardom grew, people began linking him to his onscreen character. What starts to happen when you're in this one role for a long time, the aspect of celebrity being a part of it, a huge part of it, there's not enough separation I think for anybody.

You're seen as this person, you're called their name out on the street, you're also constantly having to be that person at work. He said that in his early 20s, he lacked the emotional maturity to understand how to differentiate himself from Dan Humphrey in terms of self-worth. He said, what people seem to think of Dan

seem to be what people thought of me. Like, I really do feel that. I see him as Dan Humphrey. Yeah, a loser. It's so true. Why only him? I don't see Chase Crawfordrey. Yeah, a loser. It's so true. Why only him? I don't see Chase Crawford as only Nate Archibald. Well, it depends.

It's circumstantial. I don't see Blair as Leighton Meester, Leighton Meester as Blair, because she went on and did a total left turn and went into music. And then Blake Lively, I didn't really see as Serena because I knew her before. She was the only one I knew before.

And then she went on to do roles that were just as big as Serena, right? And so every person's different. I do see Ed Westwick like pretty much as Chuck Bass, but that's a good thing because we like Chuck. Yeah, but also everything that Penn did after like was so damn coded. Like he couldn't differentiate himself from Dan

because he kept being Dan. Jackie, because he is Dan. Because he is Dan. And I guess he's saying here like he's not entirely Dan, but he didn't even say that. He just said, I felt like I was Dan. Everyone was treating me like I was Dan. I was being Dan in my personal life.

Because you were acting like Dan. Because you're fucking Dan. Yeah, no, it's so true. When I think of like, but it's not necessarily bad. It's just because Dan was like a weenie, loser ass character. Like who would want to be,

cause I think a lot when I see like Kelly Rutherford, she's so Lily, right? Like in real life she's very- Yeah, well that's because she's from Berkins. Yeah, and in real life she like is all over Europe, fashion week, she's very fashion forward. Like that's good. Like yeah, you're Lily.

Same with Ed Westwick. Like who wouldn't want to be like sexy, mysterious. Like that's good. Like, yeah, you're Lilly. Same with Ed Westwick. Like who wouldn't want to be like sexy, mysterious? Then that's you. And then Dan, it's like, well, you're like artsy and grungy and like kind of insufferable. So I can see why you wouldn't like that. And like you are dating Serena and then you started a band. Even though I don't, I actually don't think

his Dan association has a lot to do with him dating Serena in real life. No, but I think for him, it just was one more layer of like his personal life, being Dan and like in his, I imagine that's a mind fuck, especially when you're younger and like you really start to like feel like you're this person and it's hard to separate the two.

Yeah, yeah. Cry Me A River, Tiny Violins, you're fine. Oh, I don't feel sorry for him at all, cause he's Dan. But it's just interesting to think about. And I imagine other like, teen or young stars on shows like this, really start to feel like their characters

in a way that might also like puff them up, but then make them feel low because who are you? A role like that is like a blessing, but you have to be careful with what you do with it afterwards. And so in terms of like roles you take and even people you date, just how you're perceived publicly,

like if you don't wanna be just this one thing forever, you have to be strategic. And I feel like he wasn't, but I think other people were. Yeah, but then sometimes you're strategic and then like it reads so obvious that that's what you're trying to do. You're trying to go so hard against what you were.

I think for some people it just naturally works out. And then for other people, it's like you're either stuck as that person or you're Jenny Humphrey. Although in the long run, I think he ended up fine. He had enormous success with you and enormous success with his podcast, but that was really, really later on.

I think it took a while. I imagine those years before you were like kind of dark. Yeah. Yeah. A thousand percent. I have something in my eye if you can't tell. Are you getting emotional because of all the hard things that you went through? Just thinking about everything that PennBadgey

has gone through. It's hard. It's devastating. How does somebody not start crying? I've never seen you, but you guys already know that. Yeah. I haven't either. You haven't? I've never seen you, but you guys already know that. Yeah, I haven't either. You haven't? Mm-mm. That's surprising.

Is it? I thought that you had. I'm not like murdery. Those are not my type of shows. Yeah. That one's for like the True Crime Podcast Girls. If we had seen it, we'd be putting more respect on his name and we wouldn't be laughing at him.

I just want to say, at current Penn Badgley, like modern 2025 Penn Badgley, like I respect like I, but I acknowledge it was a long road to get here. Are you ready for our next story? It's a little podcasting news starring your boyfriend. Okay, which one? I have so many boyfriends. Joe Manganiello starting a podcast. No, but like not far off.

John Mayer? No. Okay, tell me. Sebastian Maniscalco will star in Apple's first original scripted podcast called Easy Money, the Charles Ponzi story. Apple's first scripted podcast. So Apple's releasing original content now for podcasts? Yes, and first scripted podcast. Apple's releasing original content now for podcasts.

Yes. And a scripted podcast, which people have done before. And this is the story of Charles Ponzi for whom the Ponzi scheme is named. Of course. So Apple's moving into scripted podcasts for the first time. And this tap, Sebastian Maniscalco, was one of the stars of its first project. The company is launching easy money. The Charles Ponzi story and book bookie star, Maniscalco, will voice the eponymous lead character.

Oh, sort of like a play. Yeah, he has a very distinct voice. And I think like him doing voice work, whether I would have thought more like, you know, cartoons, but this works too, is really smart. I find it so interesting that Apple's like finally entering the podcast game. Like all these other platforms have been like creating

original content, doing big partnerships, like Apple just. Well, apparently they have original podcasts already in the non-fiction space with the likes of Hooked, The Line and Misfortune. But this one. Never heard of any of those. Yeah, this one is the first original scripted show. When I hear this, like I think think I wanna watch this on TV.

It's like if we're putting so many resources, writers, screenwriters, Sebastian Maniscalco, get a camera. I agree, but maybe this will happen and then it will get made into a TV show. And maybe that's another new good way to get TV shows made. First you steal books and now you could steal a podcast. There have been a couple podcasts

that have been adapted into- Serial? TV, I don't think they've done a show yet, but they did that Will Ferrell one where he's like a therapist. Oh. And that like steals the life of his client or something. Oh.

And like gaslights him. Oh, oh, oh. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I do. That was a podcast. What? I'm just gonna, and with, was it- Paul Rudd?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. We're talking about the same thing. Show podcast. And then what else? I'm not sure, but I know it's been done like a couple of times. So it's like a new thing. Yeah, it's a good idea.

It's a good idea. And I think this sounds good. Sounds like a good story. Yeah, I don't know. The shrink next door. Yes. I feel like we're always doing documentaries. Like everybody's story has been turned over

in some way or the other. In a movie, a documentary, a podcast, except Mr. Ponzi. Except Mr. Ponzi, the Ponzi schemer himself. I don't know what his scheme was. What was the original scheme? Correct. I feel like they're gonna change the name of a Ponzi scheme to like a made-off scheme.

Like he out Ponzi'd the Ponzi, right? And it became such a bigger story that like now the word people use is like made-off as a verb. He got made-offed. Right. Right. Yeah. But. That must be a great feeling for Bernie.

Yeah, you did it Bernie. I endorse this. I think this is a great idea. Me too. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? If it's a story that's brought to you by booking.com, booking. Yay-ah.

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Yeah, he did. Okay, so he did also shut the window. So we're good. Like, where did the feather come from? But just one more hole in the story, if I may. Yeah. If he brought in the packages and he hadn't FaceTimed you yet,

you weren't on FaceTime when he brought it, when he stepped into the studio, right? Mm-hmm, I was, yeah. But you didn't see him bring in the packages? No, but like there were three small ones on the floor. He probably just kicked them in or after he hung up, he brought them in. Like they were actually really small, all three of them.

Okay, because I was gonna say, like if he walked into the studio before FaceTime, he could have shot it and then be like, hey, it's shot. I really, really appreciate your commitment to like seeing the worst in Ben for sure. I was on the phone with Ben Jackie in the street. I called him the second he left the house

because I was like, you are not gonna put one over on me. He's gonna go one over on me. No, I am just committed to understanding the feathers. I know. Take them for testing. Maybe we just like, maybe we just tracked them in on our shoes. Like maybe it's as simple as that. Yeah.

Maybe it was a simple tracking. Maybe Romeo got into a pillow. Jackie, it wasn't like a, I wouldn't touch it. Like I just, I knew it had diseases on it. 100%. Our fifth and final story is some exciting TV news. Khloe Kardashian announces a new very excellent Kardashian Hulu spin-off called Calabasas Behind the Gates.

So at the Get Real house, which is Hulu's. Hulu had like some big thing, like panels that Mormon wives were there. They did a red carpet. There was the trailer release. It's kind of like an upfront. Yeah. Yeah.

They were announcing some new programming include, and Chloe was there, cause of course Kardashian Tulu. Cause nobody works harder than her. Well, nobody's working harder in their forties than Chloe. If she were still 39, she wouldn't have been there, but because she turned 40, she can launch Popcorn, a perfume, a podcast, and a spin-off show.

But she couldn't do it at 39. Just to wrap up yesterday's conversation, Jackie and I have been reached out to by Cloud Foods, and we will be receiving the popcorn, hopefully sometime this week. They asked for our addresses, so. So excited. I'm excited too, I actually heard it's very delicious.

I'm so excited, I need some tasty popcorn. And okay, so here's the tea. So Chloe was talking about some major news coming to the network. She said, it's very, very exciting, very new, very excellent. We're excited to continue developing. Calabasas Behind the Gates will tell the story

of those closest to the famous family, such as friends and neighbors. Rob Mills, the executive vice president at Disney, Hulu's parent company, was also present to expand on the plot at the Get Real house of Hulu. He said, we all want to know what's happening behind the gates of Calabasas, who are all these people in the extended lives of the Kardashians. So we're developing a show that we're actually, at least for now, calling Calabasas Behind the Gates.

Okay. It's giving the working title of the Real House of Orange County. Wasn't it also called Beyond the Gates? Yeah, something like that. Now, I don't need to know like the plot of the show. I need to know the cast. Of course, because like if it's Malika and Scott and Travis Barker, like we've seen that, but I want, maybe it's Jessica Simpson.

Maybe it's Jessica Simpson. I'm thinking of a lot of the people in the Kardashians inner circle, they don't live Beyond the Gates, right? Like, cause I was thinking like Olivia- Like lifers. Yeah, or the two- Olivia and Nicole, who are reality TV gold.

But I don't think they live in Hidden Hills. No, I don't think it's about them either. I think, I hope it's about like moms who live in Cali- in Hidden Hills, who are friendly with the girls, who would be like, like almost like Real Housewives with Calabashes. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Maybe it's people we don't know.

Yes, those moms I'm talking about. Yeah. Or women. Yeah, I feel like when we see pictures of the kids, there's always random kids there, it's like, who are their moms? Yeah, I feel like it's real housewives of Hidden Hills. And I would love that.

I kind of like this idea, although the name is stolen. Well, they obviously didn't trademark it or the trademark expired, but I like Behind the Gates, Calabasas behind the Gates. And Chloe's always saying, maybe she was like teeing us up for this, but in last season, she's always like, behind the gates, I'm leaving the gates,

I'm in the gates, and it's all about the gates. She's by the way, totally teeing us up. That's actually such a good call. She was saying it so much, like that I actually, it raised a flag for me. I didn't think I was TV show was coming, but I was like, why do they always say it like that? I'm leaving the gates.

The gates, the gates. No, and they don't always say it like that, like just this year. Just this year, but also Chloe wasn't leaving her house until she turned 40. And I just want to say like, I'm so glad she turned 40 because like she's obviously has a new lease on life and she's committed to making her 40s her best decade yet.

But like she could have done all of this at 39. And it was just like a mental block. Listen, however she got here is how she got here. But like she's doing so much podcasts, cloud. And by the way, it is cloudfoods.com. So it's gonna be more than- Yes, cloudfoods. The Instagram was cloudfoods.

It's gonna be more than popcorn, assuming the popcorn does well. And literally she's gonna be Robert Kraft. Okay. From your mouth to God's ears. Now she's doing the spinoff show. Still doing Kardashian Tulu. She did her fragrance at Harrods. Chloe in Wonderland is also really crushing. I see it all over the charts. She's the Elkava podcaster. She always has been from that Tubbin the Hamsons.

We knew that. We knew that she was, we always have said that it's so crazy the Kardashians don't have their own podcasts. And if they did, it would have to be her or Chris. And the fact that like now that there is like a Kardashian podcast, if there's ever- Well Kim had one. Okay, it was about social justice. Like it was about prison reform.

I'm saying like anytime there's like a scandal, like that's where they're gonna go. Take you to Chloe in Wonderland. Right, they have like an in-house platform now. It's so smart, I don't know, I can't believe they didn't have that before. And she'll be like such a safe space for celebrities. I actually could, what's funny is-

Yes, red table talk. Right, which is funny because of like the Jordan Woods red table talk and now like that will be Chloe, even though she hasn't used her couch like that at all yet. She's just talking to people she's interested in. No, she's building it up and it's becoming reputable. Like the way that Grammy went to her, I could see other people like going through scandal or feeling misunderstood, like going to Chloe like that at all yet she's just talking to people she's interested in. No, she's building it up and it's becoming reputable. But it will become that.

The way that Grammy went to her, I could see other people going through scandal or feeling misunderstood, like going to Chloe, because she's just there to listen and support and not judge. We listen and we don't judge. Let's dive into the Valley recap, because I'm feeling like I have only a few minutes left inside of me to finish this podcast.

Speaking of the Valley and podcasts, on Watch What Happens Live, Andy asked them, who do you think has the most unnecessary podcast in the cast and I didn't win the cast has a podcast every single person Jackson Brittany Jackson Brittany Janet and Jason have a podcast Michelle has a podcast Nia and Danny have a podcast Kristen has a podcast every no Claudia. There's the better question. Who did they say? Kristin has a podcast. No, Claudia, the better question is who does it? Who do they say? Kristin said that Michelle's is the most unnecessary podcast.

I agree. Because she hates Michelle. And then Nia said that Janet and Jason's is the most unnecessary because she's beefing with Janet. So of course, like the person you don't like. So I would agree that Michelle's is the most unnecessary. And let me tell you why. This is one of my feelings from the episode.

It was very hard to watch her scenes with Jason. I know I lack context, so just based on whatever. So I know I lack context because I didn't watch season one. So based on what I know, tell me if I'm wrong, I think that Jesse is the most evil man on the planet. I fucking hate him. And yeah, she probably wasn't perfect in the marriage, yada yada, but the way, she's so right about him.

His tears are fake. My daughter comes and says that the dog should stay with me because I'm lonely. Shut up. Like, and when they called Sheena and Sheena was like, yeah, that girl said that. Like, I hate this fucking man and I think he's evil and I feel actually so sorry for her,

but it's also painful to watch her because he knows exactly how to get under her skin and she like lets him and she's not a good fighter. Like she doesn't have good words and so that's why she makes a bad podcaster. She's not a good talker. Yeah, she's not a good talker. But Heather McDonald said this like a while ago

that these days having a podcast is like having an Instagram account. It doesn't matter like how big it is. Like everyone who has an Instagram like has a podcast and so everyone just has a podcast. So I guess we have to kind of see it like that. I agree, I don't know why, I don't hate Jesse as much as you do,

but I really do hate him when it comes to Michelle. He's just making things so difficult and he doesn't wanna be married to her. So just let her go, make it easy, stop torturing her. No, but he tortures her with the kid and it's so evil. When he's like, you'll drop her off on Sunday with the nanny and she says, okay, which nanny? Doesn't matter. And no, it does. No, it literally doesn't

matter. It's who's watching the kid. Yeah. Cause like, is there a nanny or is it your girlfriend? And he was like, he was like, well, right. But then he was like, Michelle just thinks that like I take the kid to hurt her and I just, you know, go live my life and I drink and I socialize and I date and I leave the kid with the nanny. And that's not true. But what she doesn't realize is how much I struggle to balance my business, my personal life and my single dad life.

I'm like, oh, so what she said is exactly true. You have too much going on. You work too much, you date too much, you socialize too much and you don't have time to be a dad. Right. No, you literally just admitted what she thinks of you is the absolute truth. She never even said that, but now I'm like,

yeah, you leave the kid with the nannies in the iPad. Thanks for letting us know. Yeah, nannies in the iPad, yeah. And I also appreciate that Michelle, like when he starts crying, she'm like, yeah, you leave the kid with the nannies and the iPad. Thanks for letting us know. Yeah, nannies and the iPad, yeah. I also appreciate that Michelle, like when he starts crying, she's like, you're doing this for sympathy. Like, cause we don't know what he says to her behind the scenes.

And I might have watched that and been like, oh my God, Jesse cries? Like he really must be feeling some way. She's like, no, you're doing this for sympathy to make me look cold. Like I don't care. You've said, presumably off camera, like you don't give a shit that I'm the mother of your child.

I need to know this information because I could be getting played. No, I'm so T. Michelle, I'm sorry. I just wish she like- I'm so T. Michelle, it's just so basic. She's hard to root for. Yeah, because she's not incredibly sassy and strong. But she's a good mom, all she cares about is her daughter.

She just wants love and peace in her life. And can't she just have that? And like, why can't, and then you can go have the life that you want. The Jackson Brinney stuff is so crazy. I guess it's not so crazy now because a couple of weeks ago Jack shared that he was struggling with a cocaine addiction. But like the fact that she ripped the bandaid off

and said it on camera, I imagine is the impetus behind a lot of what he's sharing now, cause it's out there. And when he was like, well, you've never done it. She's like, I have, but give me a drug test. I could pass right now. Could you? And then he just like silently walked back upstairs. It's like, Brittany, I actually, I've always liked Brittany.

I have enormous respect for her now. A, just like seeing what she's been dealing with over the last couple of years. But B, how she's really very protective of her son. Like 100%, do not kiss my son on the face. 100%, at first when she was like, don't kiss him on the face, I'm like, yeah, you don't deserve to kiss him on the face, you stink.

And then when she was like, cause you had a disgusting girl here last night and you probably haven't. That photo, that's the photo they used of the girl. Like he, do not kiss him on the face. How did they show that on TV? Of all the photos they used of the girl. Like he do not get. How did they show that on TV of all the photos they used to show this girl. We need to understand who this person is.

No, I fully understood. And then I said. And the fact that she has a dirty thong on the count. Like she's out of control. Disgusting. Disgusting. And I guess the agreement is that, you know, Jax took the marital home, which is fucking crazy.

The least you could do with that's still Brittany's house. Brittany pays for it. Brittany sleeps in that bed. Why? She shouldn't pay for it. Of course not. But the agreement is that they can see other people just not in the marital home, which I think is really fair. And that's what got Brittany so revved up

is now it's two girls having come back to the house. And that's why there was a playing card over the camera. Right. But then what Jax would say to that, which is that we had a set of rules, no one in the home, no dating people that we know, Brittany broke that rule, so I break this rule. Oh, was the rule dating people we know? I didn't hear him say that.

That's what he said, yeah. Okay, the way I don't give a flying fuck that Brittany dated Julian, like I'm so glad she had someone. And I do feel like she, you can see, she's not in love with Jax anymore. Like this isn't hard for her because she loves him, it's hard you can see she's not in love with Jax anymore. Like this isn't hard for her because she loves him. It's hard for her because she's stuck with him. She's stuck with him and he's a torturer.

And she's responsible for him because he really has nobody. And she cares about him, but not in a way like that. I think is romantic even remotely. So I need you to be a functioning human being so that our son can have a functioning human being as a father. And I just want to say he didn't see his kid for so long. He walks into the house and Cruz literally does not walk towards him and starts crying. Like that's not a good sign. No, no, no, that was a really bad look for him

and very telling. A thousand percent. He's fucking crazy. Yeah. And I- And you can tell he doesn't want to go to the 30 day treatment because he doesn't want go to the 30 day treatment because he doesn't wanna miss filming.

Because that's all he cares about. Because he's not even- He was talking a lot about 30 days, 30 days. I'm like, what's such a big deal? 30 days for your whole life. And he's saying it's about work at Jack's, which I'm sure the show that could go on without him. It's about the fact that this is happening during filming

and he doesn't wanna miss 30 days of being on the show. And he's only going to a facility to check a box to say, I went, I changed. And we've seen that before from him. So like this instance is not the one, this is actually probably not the rock bottom from him. Because also he's been sober now, he'd said a few weeks ago, 83.

That's not starting last summer. That would be hundreds of days. So this is fake. This is a fake one. Do you think he stays the whole time? No. I don't. I feel like if he did stay the 30 days,

even if he came in with the wrong intentions, it would be effective for him. Yeah. And that's what the guy on the phone was saying. Cause he was making it seem like it was about money. Yeah, but that guy on the phone was just wanting a check. Like he did not care about the person's wellbeing. So I felt like that wasn't a real recording

of what the guy on the other end of the phone was saying. It was like dubbed with like AI generated phone conversation because who talks like that? He's like, give us some money and do whatever you want. Yeah, it wasn't like a caring mental health person. Two 15 day stays will not be the same as one 30 day stay. I'm like, why? Well, because probably the magic happens on day 16.

And if you leave, then you have to start all over again. How convenient. No, but you know what I mean? Like you have to be in, it doesn't all happens on day 16. And if you leave, then you have to start all over again. How convenient. No, but you know what I mean? Like you have to be in, it doesn't all happen on day one. It takes time and if you lose that time. But I thought, yeah, I don't know where he's going. And like the thing is, I feel like when you're, everyone's telling you need to go somewhere

and you're doing it to check a box, like I feel like you shouldn't get to choose where you go. Agreed, agreed. Especially because he's saying it's like a mental health place, like you need a rehab. Yeah. One thing, and this, my real takeaway from this episode was how much I really respect Brittany

because I'm also, I know everybody like doesn't agree with me and I don't know the real context or history but I know people don't like Janet. All I know so far, like there's nothing that I dislike about her and I'm 100% on her team about the whole miscarriage of that comment. And the fact that Brittany like refuses to ride for her best friend, literally this is her best friend

right there from Kentucky together, right? Refuses to like ride for him. I'm actually, I really respect like as a woman and as a mom, like what you said was so fucked up. Like, no bitch, you're literally on your own. I'll be your friend still. Like we could talk and giggle about your boyfriend. But yeah, there's gonna be a distance between us.

Cause you said something so fucking crazy. Like normalize holding your friend's feet to the fire and telling them that they're nuts. Yeah, I totally agree. I know every like half the group like hates Janet. They say like she's crazier than Kristin. She's a shit starter. I haven't seen it yet.

Like I just haven't seen, and even Kristin last night on Watch What Happens Live, like they're just talking so, I mean, if she does come for Nia, Nia is a P-jow. So I will be interested to see what that's about. But yeah, so far it's just not landing for me. Janet seems fine and anything that she-

She's a little boring, but like- But like last season she was pregnant and so if anything she did wasn't perfect, like you do get a pregnancy pass. She gets a pass. Kristin Doty is about to get one as well. But yeah, it's just like not landing for me the hatred of her and like how she's this crazy manipulator. Like who the fuck is, they say she's more manipulative

than Jax, who has she manipulated into anything? I mean, that's insane to say. Yeah, and so they said that to Brittany and that's offensive, I'm sorry, that's offensive to say to Brittany. And I just was genuinely curious at the amount of time they made us watch and learn about Zach's relationship Okay, thank you for with a married man who lives in Canada Thank you for discussing this because that FaceTime conversation was top five weirdest human communications I've ever seen in my life monster energy

refrigerator in In his kitchen that whole, this whole storyline was so bizarre. Do you know this guy? Like was, did he film last season? No. No. No. Like we didn't get any Dia, Dia, Mia and Danny.

Like so weird, he starts crying, I'm going through a breakup, he's being deported and he's married. And when he said he was married, I was like, what are we talking about here? And then like the guy calls was married, I was like, what are we talking about here? The guy calls Zach and like Zach starts word vomiting,

being like, I wanna be with you, I wanna make it work. He found his green card, he's here to stay. Benji hasn't said anything like, like Benji doesn't wanna, not only is he deported and married, he also doesn't sound like he's like really in this relationship. But also, who is Benji in this world? Who is Benji?

When he started talking about Benji before they showed their pictures and explained their history, I'm like, Benji? I thought for sure I missed it in the last season. No, that should have been left on the cutting room floor. And that was a lot of time. He had his own solo scene, and then we're hearing about it with Brittany. I'm like, the have been left on the cutting room floor. Like, and that was a lot of time. Like he had his own solo scene and then we're hearing about it with Brittany.

I'm like, the whole second half of the episode was about this guy. I'm like, how did we get here? And then Nia was, I went to her Instagram last night to catch up on her day in the city and they all went out to dinner in the city, Nia and Kristin and Tom Schwartz was there and Zach and Benji. Oh, okay. Well, at least they're together. At least it wasn't for nothing.

I don't think they're like now they're together. I think it's like still like drama and the threat of deportation. Maybe he's just on vacation. The threat of deportation to Canada. Like this is so unserious. Like I seriously have no idea what's going on. No, that was just out of left field. And like, I'm sorry, there's a lot going on.

I'm glad I read the situation correctly. Jessie and Michelle, Kristen V. Janet. We don't need to hear about Benji today. Not today. Okay, I'm so glad I was right about that. I was so confused. It was so odd. Okay, that's funny. Well, that's our show. That was so odd. Okay.

That's funny. Um, well that's our show. That's the Valley recap. Tomorrow we have summer house also pages on watch happens live for the first time. So for the first time, for the first time in like over a year. Oh, for the first time, like this season, this season. Yes. I saw someone on TikTok say that she hasn't been on since February, 2024.

So don't ask me how I know that. So last season she went on. Yeah, this is like her first appearance this season and first appearance post breakup. That's why it's remarkable. I was thinking, I saw she's gonna be on tonight. I was like, this is gonna be like juicy probably because Andy's gonna just ask her everything,

especially in light of the Southern Charm reunion. They haven't filmed Summer House reunion. Like Andy's asking his questions. Hopefully he's in a good mood. I hope Andy's in a good mood, yeah. Hopefully she brings a dog. Thank you guys so much for listening. She has a cat. Thank you guys so much for listening to the Toast

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