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Good morning, Millennials!
Welcome back to The Toast. Happy Monday!
Hope everyone's having a fabulous, gorgeous, stunning, beautiful, stunning, smart, wickedly talented beginning of their week.
Speaking of wickedly talented, it's a girl that I know, that I love.
It's Jackie O. Hey, Jax, how you doing?
I'm doing good. Would you say that I'm wickedly talented? I thought that's where you were going.
Did I not say that?
I don't know. I thought you were about to. Speaking of wickedly talented, it's a girl that I'm wickedly talented I thought that's where you were going did I not say that I don't know I
thought you were about to like speaking of wickedly talented it's a girl that I know
so I don't know if so I guess I didn't actually say it but I didn't mean to call you wickedly
talented thank you so much that's what I was bracing for and I was so flattered because
I think what we do here is truly a talent. Special. And I find you to be so talented in the craft.
So it's like, it means a lot coming from you.
That's so sweet.
Like you calling me talented, me calling you talented.
Like we're in such a good mood today.
It's fabulous, fabulous.
We're so positive considering the events of yesterday.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
So let's talk about it.
Let's talk about it.
I think we should start.
Let's start at the beginning of the weekend
because we haven't been together on air since Thursday.
Right.
Friday was our Jay Shetty episode.
The reviews are in.
I mean, people are obsessed.
I think a lot of people who love Jay,
like obviously he has a huge podcast. He has like 12 million followers. They were so excited. I think a lot of people who love Jay, like obviously he has a huge podcast.
He has like 12 million followers.
They were so excited.
And then a lot of people that were doubtful.
They're like, who's this Jay Shetty?
I thought it was going to be Taylor Swift.
So what are you saying there?
Doubters, non-believers.
That's exactly what I was saying.
Thank you for putting it to a tune like that.
And so many hearts and minds were changed.
I knew people were going to be obsessed with
the episode. Like, you know, when you're doing something and you know, it's good.
Sometimes you're doing something, you know, it's shit. But I knew what I was doing was good. And
I'm so people were loving it. I know so many people pre-ordered his book. So I think Jay
had a fabulous time. Jay sent me a voice memo. He was like, I'm reading through the comments on YouTube,
and your fans are so nice, and they're all ordering the book,
and I just really appreciate you having me on.
And he was blown away by the power of the toast,
and I was so proud to be head toaster, you know?
That's such a prideful moment.
It was.
And so I'm so glad everyone loved it.
It was kind of different.
We don't usually do sit-down interviews, but I thought it was like we took a chance and I'm
glad we did. Yeah, I'm glad we did too. And you did an amazing job and I'm glad everyone liked it
and got so much out of it. Got so much out of it. And you know, it's like kind of like a busy couple
of weeks because we don't usually do guests, but we have another guest interview that I recorded
in LA. It's what happens when turd goes to LA.
It's so true.
The turd hits the coast.
Los Angeles turd.
On Thursday, we have another interview.
If you're on Patreon, you already know about it.
It's going to be a really good one.
It's not the whole episode like last time.
It's much shorter.
We'll have a regular episode and then just the interview at the end.
But I think you guys are going to love that one too.
So it's good stuff.
Fantastic, fantastic stuff. stuff fantastic fantastic stuff fantastic fantastic stuff yeah so other than that it was a pretty quiet weekend over here I've been
reading the book for the redheads the magnificent lives of Marjorie Post amazing book episode drops
Thursday we record tomorrow it's not too late to join everyone's loving this book amazing fascinating
woman that you've never heard of but like you absolutely need to like she's an heiress like one at one point probably like the richest woman in America and then like to see what she
did about that is pretty fascinating hmm um I was actually so I went to the Eagles game yesterday
and I was at like a family tailgate with a bunch of the wags I spoke to them they like being called
wags so they didn't mind um and I was talking to one of the wags moms and she was like I love
she was asking me about podcasting she's like like, I like to read. I listen to some reading
podcasts. And I was like, you should check out TRBC. And I was explaining, it's like redheads,
but spelled read, because my sister has red hair. And she was like, that is just darling. Like,
she loved it. And you told her like what we do? Yep. I was like, different girls,
different perspective, different books, a common love of reading. A book a month.
A book a month. A book a month.
But that was just the beginning to my day.
So yesterday, obviously, if you're following football, not an ideal outcome for a couple of Niner girls.
But so I went to the game.
Major shout out to Annie, whose family owns Top Crop, which is like one of the largest and oldest family owned farms in I think all of Pennsylvania. And they have had this, you know, suite at Lincoln Field for like
years and years, their grandparents, like it was like just listening. It was like it was actually
amazing. And they were so cool and so nice. And like they were so generous to host us.
And that's so nice. And coincidentally, today's episode is brought to you by Top Crop.
It's not, but you should check
them out for all your produce needs um it was amazing they were like so nice and they were just
like these like they were just like so like Jersey Italian family like it was really it was really
awesome um and so we had great seats and I was feeling good you. But before the game even started, I just want to say like,
it is not even remotely possible for any team to do a game in Philly, especially when the stakes
are super high and win. Like the energy, like I've been to a few football games in my life and
they're always like, you know, the fans are great and they have all these songs. Philly was on
another level. They have like all these chants and hand motions and fireworks like
it was on crack it was just insane and I like the second I sat down I was like it's gonna be so hard
like energy wise for a team to win this game like the fan the fandom is the way that it is for a
reason like it's crazy so the home court advantage was Yeah. And I think like home court advantage is
definitely a thing, but I think in Philly it's on another level. Like the fans, like they were so
engaged, like whenever it was their offense, silence, whenever it was their defense, crazy.
Like, and it didn't wean throughout the night. Like people didn't lose energy. It was, it was
almost unfair. Like that's how much of an impact I think the energy was having on the field.
Interesting. Well, a few things happened.
I don't know that it was the energy because I was watching the game.
And by the way, I was not watching when Brock got injured.
So you can't blame that on me.
But first I started watching the game when it started and Philly scored a touchdown.
I was like, okay, I'm going to just go into the other room because I'm, you know, bad luck.
And then I came back out and it was 7-7.
And I was like, amazing stuff. was Christian did you see Christian's by the way Christian was like I'm so fucking done with this like everyone
is being dumb and he was just like I decided I'm taking the ball and running with it there was like
15 people around him and nobody could touch him like he's just I just decided I'm scoring a
touchdown right now and he just did it it was actually really impressive so at some point while
it was 7-7 before I came back Brock got injured so then I started watching with Brock was already
injured and the 49ers started stinking up the joint yeah not only were the 49ers stinky the
Eagles were really really tight yeah like I didn't realize they were a good team no they're very good
they're very good they have what it takes
and I just want to say one thing about the final score which was like 7 to 31 and it's not I mean
it's unfortunate that their quarterback and who's already like the second string right got out they
go on to third string like they stand no chance but the defense led in 31 points that has nothing
to do with Brock being on the field or not.
Like I understand why the score never went above seven for the 49ers,
but like,
no,
it was a total excuse for the defense.
It was a cross.
It was a nationwide failure.
Like everyone was thinking it up.
Like now you can't just,
I completely agree.
So I hope that brings everyone's solace.
Cause honestly,
if it was just the fact that Brock was out, like that would be so frustrating.
Like, you know, we were so close and then the elbow went, but I think everybody contributed
to the loss.
No, I think we all stunk it up.
And then after the third string quarterback, they went to fourth string and then they just
started tossing the ball around.
Like they were the little giants. They didn't go to fourth string. And then they just started tossing the ball around like they were the little giants.
No, they didn't go to fourth string.
No.
Brody.
Brady.
What's his name?
Brock.
They ran.
Claudia.
No, Brock.
I know.
He came in and didn't throw and he just kept tossing it.
They ran the annexation of Puerto Rico.
They did.
Excuse me?
You don't know that movie, Little Giants?
Little Rascals?
No. The football movie about the kids.
And they run the annexation to Puerto Rico where they just keep tossing it
and they make it down the field.
No, by the way, I have no idea what that movie is.
Real ones, we'll know.
No, that was a good joke.
Like, I feel like if you get it, like, you get it.
If you get it, like, I'm the funniest girl in the world.
Yeah, well, he couldn't throw, so he was just doing little tosses like right right but I really wanted them to put in like their
fourth string quarterback which you said was going to be Kyle Juszczyk but like on ESPN they told us
it was going to be Christian McCaffrey and I feel like either one of them would have been really
good like these guys like play football they don't yeah they play football for fun like they can
throw the ball no I agree
and like they want it so bad like you know Christian wants to win like they have like a
lot riding on it like I agree they should have tried something Christian and Kyle are so like
enmeshed in the game plans like I think more so than the third string quarterback who probably
nobody ever thought was gonna no and Ben was telling me he's been in the league for 15 years like as
as a scrub the boys were telling me and you know what like he could have really made a moment you
know like Brock Brock was relatively unknown until Jimmy Garoppolo got injured and you know what
Brock made the most of that moment Josh Johnson could have been a hero and instead he's just
stinking it up yeah I would have liked to see like Christian or Kyle
play quarterback because I feel like they would have had fun playing and just like playing with
their teammates throwing the ball you know get back to what the game is about different like
what they were doing wasn't working so try something different yeah it was painful and
you know like I didn't want to be like outwardly cheering for the 49ers one because I don't want
to disrespect the family who invited me and they were huge Eagles fans like there were
tears like it was I was a Taylor Donahue and her sisters they were literally not okay like this was
such a big deal so I didn't want to be like annoying and then I just started getting depressed
I was just like this sucks I'm depressed and yeah but to bring it to a positive note,
then the second game was the Bengals versus the Chiefs.
And I was like, if the Bengals win
and it's Bengals versus Eagles,
like I'm literally not watching.
I have no skin in this race.
Oh, that's so funny.
I feel the other way.
Like I don't really care about-
Like we have Patrick Mahomes and we have Travis Kelsey.
And now let me tell you why we're brothers,
why we're interested in Superbowl LVI,
I,
I,
I,
whatever.
It's brother V brother.
Jason Kelsey on the e-girls versus Travis Kelsey on the chiefs.
Who are the parents rooting for Jackie?
It's brother versus brother.
But more importantly,
it's podcaster versus podcaster.
They have a podcast together.
The brothers.
The brethren?
The brethren have a podcast together.
And actually a few weeks ago, they did an episode about catching Kelsey.
And Travis was really honest.
He said, honestly, I had no money.
I like ran through every dollar I made in my rookie like career.
I was just like excited to be making money.
And they offered it to me and I needed the money.
Oh my God. One, I'm'm gonna go listen to that episode two I cannot believe that the Kelsey brethren are podcasters what's their podcast called catching Kelsey's
it should be no it's called like you know off the field sideline I don't know something like that
it's totally called off the field you know what I mean like uh run the ball I want oh new heights with
Jason and Travis Kelsey did I lie oh my god are they gonna do an episode of like leading up to
the Super Bowl it would be good for ratings it would be good for ratings it would be I'm listening
to the show now oh my god I didn't realize oh I think that's a cool angle for the Super Bowl. And now I'm invested once more.
It's a cool angle for the Super Bowl.
Theo just got back from his walk.
So if you hear a yelp, it's Theo.
Yeah, we did.
We did hear that.
Hey, no, do not eat my fiber one bar, bitch.
That's mommy's breakfast.
Come here.
So now, like, who do you think you're rooting for in the Super Bowl?
I'm still rooting for Kansas City because.
I think I am too. I just have like no actually
I mean a little part of me is now Eagles fill like uh
an Eagles fan because the wags that I met over FaceTime yesterday were so lovely
yeah so we got to pregame with a bunch of wags and they were like can we please see pictures of
Harry and I was like of course you can and then they were like what's Jackie doing like why isn't
Jackie here what is Jackie like and I was like let's just FaceTime her and they got to see this
house frow in her bed looking a mess but they were really sweet they were and you know what they like
want our support so badly I will say though know, I was really nervous about going to Philly as an Eagles fan.
I mean, as a Niners fan.
Ooh, Freudian slip.
I was completely fine.
Like drama for what?
But I was wearing an Eagles hat.
So like I was trying to blend in and I was with like six people like decked out in Eagles gear.
I was fine.
But I do, I did feel as though, you know, if I were dressed differently, I would not have been fine.
You know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you protected yourself, but you weren't being overly dramatic.
I'm protecting myself.
I'm doing what's best for me and my family.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But you were unscrupled in that regard.
A hundred percent.
One hundred percent.
And of course I felt like if I wasn't there, the Niners wouldn't have lost, you know?
Of course I felt like if I wasn't invested in watching, because course I didn't watch the second game but like you know this small
piece of me wanted the Chiefs to win and they won handily except I think it came down to a kick
because then Zach yeah it came in this morning you know what at least it was a good game it was 20 to
23 like that's what we should be getting not 30 to 7 a blowout oh and the worst part the real worst
part was like after in like the third and
fourth quarter when it was very clear there was no coming back they had no game plan they were losing
all the the Niners like were being babies like they were starting fights they were getting
penalties one of them got thrown out like that fight like that was shoved a guy as he was stepping
out of bounds it's like he's on his way there anyway that was not okay like that's what losers
do and you know what? Like that was
disappointing when that fight broke out and one of the Niners players like literally picked up this
little, this little eagle and threw him to the ground. Like that's not cool to do that when
you're losing. That is just being a big sore loser and it makes you look like a loser. I'm sorry.
It's not cool. Yeah. Well, you know what? They hadn't lost in a while. So they forgot what it
felt like. A hundred percent. Because they were winning winning winning yep 100 so I'm glad I went I'm glad I went you are yeah I had a good time like I really the
tailgate was like so fun then once the game started like my team was losing and I was like
this sucks but I like the p I met such nice people yesterday I had a good time it was a long day you
know I left my house at 10 30 and I got back at 1030. I'm not used to being out of bed that long on a Sunday. But I got I also got 10,000 steps like it was a good day.
Interesting. So who are you rooting for in the Super Bowl?
So hard again, when you truly don't care about either teams.
Find something to care about.
Well, I care because like I was like annoyed at Philly yesterday. So I don't want them to win.
That's usually what happens. It's like the team that beat your team you can't root for I'm holding a grudge mm-hmm Chiefs it is and you know what I'm gonna support my fellow
TikToker Jackson yes Austin no Jackson who's Austin Austin Austin is that singer he's a little guy that little singer oh my god
Jackson is the brother of Patrick you're not okay I'm not okay I really thought Jackson was the
quarterback for a second like Austin's the brother I always think that you always think that Patrick
Patrick Mahomes and I've been to Kansas City two, three times. It's a fabulous town. Like
it's so underrated. I really liked it both times I went. The only thing is like, I feel like there
are actually a lot of Eagles celebrity fans who are like diehard, you know, Bradley Cooper was
at the game. Miles Teller. Yep. Loves the Eagles. And who are the celebrity Kansas City fans?
loves the Eagles and who are the celebrity Kansas City fans girl there are none there's got to be like some because then when I was on my Instagram last night like then I saw in my stories like oh
all these people that I follow are Eagles fans it makes sense they're like from Philly or whatever
um like who like I don't know if I know any Kansas City fans which is why I have to be the
Kansas City fan I wish to see in the world but But I bet there are. I bet there are.
Yeah.
But I'm going with Kansas City.
Me too.
I feel like the Eagles are going to win, though.
They were looking really good.
I know, but it's like so easy to look good against a team that's stinking it up.
They were looking good before Brock got hurt.
I don't know.
And then they were it was just like they were sharp.
There were some crazy things happening.
No, it was it was very it was good execution. It really was. It was. So I then they were, it was just like, they were sharp. There were some crazy things happening. No, it was, it was very, it was good execution.
It really was.
It was.
So I think they have what it takes.
I think they have what it takes too.
But you know, you never count out the countess.
Patrick Mahomes is like the goat for a reason.
Yeah, they're, everyone's the goat, right?
Tom Brady's the goat.
Aaron Rodgers is the goat.
No, Tom Brady was the goat.
Aaron Rodgers is like not the goat.
Everyone, they call the goat I
just want to say that for sure Patrick Mahomes like signed like the biggest contract in NFL
history like there's so there's Russell Wilson the goat yeah and he was the goat too he doesn't
play anymore there can be a million goats yes there can yes there can in different fields like
I met you know I heard actually I met Lane Johnson's girlfriend and I found out via his
girlfriend that Lane Johnson is a toaster and is Lane Johnson the best player in the league
no is he the best at his position he's the goat offensive tackle I want to say yeah you could be
the goat at different positions okay because Kirsten McCaffrey's a goat right totally Kyle's
a goat Kyle's a goat George Kittle's a goat so i was in this suite and i had um like
these amazing fancy binoculars and my god it was so clear i literally could see more clear than the
tv i was literally not being a freak but like i just wanted to see what was going on on the 49ers
bench like was there you know depression sadness and i was well I didn't even watch the game I literally sat with
the binoculars on looking at like the facials Kyle and George and like Brock like sitting on this
bench with their big coats like being depressed I'm like you guys the coat it's never too late
first of all and their energy like come on turn around they should have sent you in there the
locker room for halftime I would have fucked shit up I would have fucked shit up whatever speech was given at halftime of the last game remember things weren't going well
where was that speech maker and where was that speech yesterday because sometimes somebody just
needs to be told like they're acting like a loser no no but you don't want to like sink them deeper
into their hole you have to like you have to pump them up no but it's like really you want to be a
loser okay that's not inspiring I'm not inspired really I think shame is a very inspirational tool
I think um it can be motivating but you want you it has to walk the the right line the sad thing
is is that now I'm not going to the Super Bowl unless you know somebody wants to take me but I
was gonna go like you know for the Niners and like be. So now, like, I actually really don't care.
Like, my boyfriend Joe Burrow is out.
My boyfriend Kyle Juszczyk is out.
Like, I don't really care.
Yeah.
Who's the quarterback for the Chiefs?
I'm going to have to find new boyfriends.
Patrick Mahomes.
Are you okay?
No.
No, I'm not okay.
I knew that.
Like, I literally knew it.
I just, like, was thinking stupid.
It's Hurts versus Mahomes.
Mahurts. Hur Hurts he was good
so cute they said Hurts so good that's what the fan sign said no everyone loved him it was great
they greased the polls whatever can we move on like yeah I'm already I'm ready in next season
you know sure well the Super Bowl is in two weeks and that's what we got we got Eagles versus Chiefs I think it's like such
a meh matchup anyone else I agree but so is I want like more glamour so was last year's
what was that Rams and Lars versus the Bengals what's Lars LA Rams oh no that's fabulous to me
because there was like Matthew Stafford like there was like glamorous elements like I don't know
Patrick Mahomes is like, you know,
holding his family together by a thread,
hoping they don't embarrass him again.
And the other team, I don't know, I'm just like not into the Eagles.
They don't have like any stars.
I looked inside the belly of the beast and I was like, meh.
I just think the Rams are a flash in the pan.
I mean, I completely agree.
The Rams are so irrelevant. They didn't even in the pan. I mean, I completely agree. The Rams are so irrelevant.
They didn't even make the playoffs.
No, like they're just like, what's the word?
They're not like a franchise that's like a real franchise.
They're like unscrupulous.
I said it.
I'm going to piss so many people off.
No, you know me.
I love to hate on the Rams.
They just like bounce from city to city.
Yeah, they're like untethered.
Yeah, and that's like i can respect the eagles because
they have pride in their city and their city has pride in them roots yeah they have there are a
few teams that like untethered rootless the chargers are not charging on my ipad and the
raiders no you're so right they're so untethered can't relate couldn't be me no like i was literally in
a suite with like a family who's owned this suite for 50 years like that's roots that's being
tethered that's scruples yeah could the la ram stadium has been built for five days it's like
oh there's a new stadium being built in las Las Vegas where the chairs shake when there's a tackle.
Let's go there.
Yeah, no, I'd rather go to where there's history.
Herstory.
Herstory. Herstory.
So that's the football stuff you needed to know.
If you skipped through that, you can tune back in now.
If you skipped through that, you're lost.
You're missing out, girlie.
You know, I watched Top Gun this weekend too
oh and it was really it was so good like and I understand like we don't get movies that are real
movies anymore and so I really enjoyed it and of course it was so hyped up but I thought that the
way I didn't even watch the first one but like I could like the storyline was so full circle
I felt like Tom Cruise was like doing the most you know it was like this
like old leathery man being the star I understand and the love story between him and Jennifer
Connelly like it took everything in me not to fast forward vomit um I didn't like that my one
of my favorite people on earth Glenn Powell was a villainous character but then he came through
at the end save the day because it's, that's not the John Glenn I know.
No, no.
John Glenn would never.
No, I agree.
I ended up, I left the theater with like a smile on my face as it pertained to Glenn Powell.
Yeah, the dancing on the beach scene.
What I just did was longer than what we saw.
Yeah, no, it was hella exaggerated on social media.
Like what?
That was unfair.
Like not you giving a movie review for a movie that came out a year ago.
Like.
No, but you know what?
I waited.
It's worth the wait.
It was.
It's a great film.
I actually got started on our Oscar list because I saw the menu on Friday night with Anya Taylor-Joy.
It was fine.
It was good.
It was fine.
It was cute.
It was fresh.
Like, is it going to win anything? No. Does it deserve to? No. Was Anya even like good? No.
Did the ending like make no motherfucking sense? Yeah, it made no sense. It's fine though. It was
like a good way to spend the night, you know? Did you see this Oscars drama? It's not a story,
but someone who was nominated for best actress, when I read her name, like we, I mean, so many of
the actress, actors and actresses,
like we've never heard of.
So it wasn't that alarming,
but like I never heard of the person or the movie.
And now people are saying like,
the movie only grows $27,000.
And they're saying there's like corruption
that this was nominated, like, you know, back channeling
because this person does not deserve to be nominated.
And the other argument is like,
it doesn't need to be a blockbuster to be nominated.
I'm sorry.
It needs to earn.
There needs to be a threshold of money that needs to earn.
Otherwise, I could film.
Why can't this be nominated for an Oscar?
It should be.
We have 20.
We could do 27,000 views.
Yeah, we could.
And by the way, $27,000 earned,
like divided by the price of a movie ticket.
Yeah.
That's weird.
That's very few tickets sold.
I need to look into that.
I don't know how I feel.
Cause like just because the movie didn't make as much money
doesn't mean the performance
isn't technically the best of the five, you know?
But like, how did you guys even find this movie?
That's the question.
Like where, what gutter did you pick this movie out of?
And the only like back channeling,
I didn't investigate into this,
but people are saying like the actress and her team,
like they really emailed hard and like called
and like, that's not a crime.
Oh, so like nobody else has ever done that?
Advocating for yourself is not a crime.
And by the way, everybody does that.
But is it a little more nefarious?
No, there's something there.
I want to look into this.
Yeah.
I'm going to launch an investigation.
Thought that was interesting.
It is.
And so I guess now without further ado, here are the best five stories that you need to know.
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Our first story,
big news that came out, uh,
on Friday,
Friday,
I think Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni will star in.
It ends with us.
Justin Baldoni is also directing and Sony Wayfarer studios adaption.
I don't know what that means.
Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni are attached to star in the film adaptation of
Colleen Hoover's best settlingselling novel It Ends With Us which is in development with Wayfarer
Studios and Sony Pictures. Baldoni is also set to direct with Christy Hall adapting the script.
Alex Sachs will produce for the Sachs Picture Company along with Jamie Heath who will produce
on behalf of Wayfarer Studios. Lively and Hoover are also executive producing along with a bunch of other
people a lot of cooks in the kitchen on this movie. So it is pretty certain that Blake Lively
will be playing Lily who is our main character and Justin Baldoni will be playing Atlas. Yeah
not him like directing and giving himself the best part. So there's not been 100% confirmation, but Blake Lively did post an Instagram story with darker hair that's like brownish reddish auburn with the song playing Lily, my one and only.
It was a confirmation.
Okay.
Except like until she posted that.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
No, it's confirmed.
Colleen Hoover, this news broke because Colleen Hoover made a TikTok and told everyone.
Right.
Until Colleen's TikTok, I thought maybe she would be playing, like she would be involved
in executive producing and like playing Ryle's sister because this is a miscast.
Okay.
This is such a flop.
And I'll preserve judgment.
Like I will see the movie with open mind.
But first of all, I read the book.
I love the book.
The characters are much younger than both of these two.
It's supposed to be this like really young girl who finds herself in like a shitty
fucking situation and doesn't know what to do and like when you see Blake Lively she's older she's
more mature like someone of that age would handle the situation that Lily's put in very differently
than someone who's actually Lily's age I hate this um I also hate the Justin Baldoni part of it
because let me tell you why uh I don't know Justin Baldoni part of it because let me tell you
why. I don't know Justin Baldoni. I know people like die for him from like the Gina Rodriguez
show, Jane the Virgin. I don't know this man. I kind of, I don't know why, like I just get thirsty
vibes from him. I cannot explain. Like I know nothing about him. You want to know why? Why?
Because he has a podcast. That's his podcast, which was nominated for a webby jealous um i just like i
i cannot stress how much i hate this and people on tiktok have been doing like here's who i would
have cast doing such good jobs there this was so ripe for an amazing casting not only is lily such
a great character it's such a great story it's a young story so we could have a young actress we
could have someone we don't know a young starlet be introduced to someone like I
hate to be ageist but these two are too old it's not ageist to say how old is Blake Lively please
google that for me it's not ageist to say somebody who's I think she's I'm gonna say like 38
it's true yes also Lily had just graduated college right so she's like 22 and Blake Lively's 35 she's too old
I'm sorry that's not being ageist it's just facts yeah I hate this casting and it's like when we go
to the younger scenes of when she knows Atlas in high school like are they gonna get a different
actress oh you're not gonna have me watching Blake Lively play a high schooler I had seen
people casting like their dream roles Sadie Sink for a young Lily
Of course. Was perfection
Of course
To me this just sucks like
To me it's just so obvious to go with like Blake
Lively in like her name is
You know Blake Lively everyone knows her she's
It's just so I don't know it's so uninspired
And I love her this is nothing against her
It just this like sucks
It is uninspired missed
opportunity even though I'm sure Colleen is over the moon with the casting because like this gives
so many eyeballs to her movie but like this book already has a million copies like it's gonna be
a big success also people are upset because Lily is a redhead yep and we don't have a natural
redhead in the role no that's true and you know in the age where like we don't have a natural redhead in the role. No, that's true. And you know, in the age where like we don't,
you know, no more skinny people playing fat people,
straight people playing gay people.
Where do the redheads fall into that?
People playing hetero people.
It begs the question.
Now we have an unnatural redhead.
Though, personally, if you want my opinion as a redhead,
that part doesn't bother me,
especially since she's dying her hair red. It like you know she's wearing the fat suit yeah
yeah there will still be the fat character no it's fine there will still be a redhead it's literally
fine well I'm just saying no I'm saying I agree with you yeah that's because that's been our
thinking like every time this conversation comes up um i don't know i just like this sucks like it really fucking sucks yeah and who's gonna play ryle now and ryle is older than lily
yeah like not to like this just sucks
you heard it here first clint acewood cast in colleen ho Hoover's adaptation of It Ends With Us.
You know who should play Ryle?
Who?
Ryan Reynolds.
Literally.
I think a lot of people just assumed that Justin Baldoni would be playing Ryle
because he was involved in the project
and he kind of looks like the described character
in the book.
Does he?
To me, he looks like Atlas.
No, to me, he looks like ryle
in this picture that they're showing well the hair yeah because ryle's like i think i i imagined him
as as ryle but he's playing atlas yeah and to me i see atlas as like this i can't i can't explain, like, this pijam, you know? Yeah.
I don't know.
I just, like, I want to go home.
Like, I hate this.
Yeah, I just feel like this movie could have been, you know,
like, Miley and Liam in the last song.
Yes.
Like, bringing us, like, young love. Two.
They don't even have to be unknowns.
And instead we got this.
It's giving Age of Adal like i don't yeah oh that
guy from age of adeline would be good too you know i think of him a little bit as like a rile
um i just feel like and it's gonna be a hot take and maybe you know maybe i'm gonna get hate for it
and i love her i just feel like every movie blake lively does is not a real movie I can't explain it like
her last couple of movies are like a simple favor which like wasn't real do you know what I mean
it's like not a real movie yeah that one where she like lives on a rock and there's a shark around
her not real yeah Age of Adaline which was good but it's like a fake movie like nobody actually
saw it do you know what I mean yeah no i like have a really crazy take what like
it's really like hot i can't i can't wait to hear it
she seems so nice i love her taylor's best friend i love her like i love her she's so beautiful i
think she's an amazing mom she's a great business actress she has her like non-alcoholic drinks like
she i really really love her and like she's the most beautiful woman in the world so I think she could handle this when I say acting isn't for her I don't think
she's a good actress like she ruins Serena Vanderwood no you know what I agree I think
we're all like so blinded by like we're blinded by her beauty and her fame and like her family
and it's perfect and Ryan like we're blinded into thinking she's like she's a list in terms of like
fame but not in terms of talent yeah you know what I kind of love that call I wouldn't call
her wickedly talented no you know what I agree but she's so beautiful like why wouldn't you want
to watch her even if she's like screwing up no I. And it's like she kind of like has gotten really far in Hollywood for like not being good.
But because she's so beautiful and like she's naturally this beautiful and like there are a lot of pretty and beautiful people in Hollywood.
But like she's exceptional.
Exceptional looking.
And since she's young, like since Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants.
Such a good film.
And like what?
She was like 16 then and now she's 35
and like she's just as beautiful.
Like we deserve to see her all the time.
So true.
Yeah no I feel that call like desperately.
That's my call.
That's a good call.
It's a good call.
And I feel bad.
You could try Sears.
But you know what she'll be okay.
She'll be fine.
She's doing fine.
I just I'm like I'm still gonna see the movie
I'm just like not even remotely looking forward to it yeah yeah and I'm really curious if they're
gonna do like young yeah I hope they do I hope they do that would give us like a little bit of
that what we're looking for in terms of like fresh new faces and the like the the back end like the past portions of the book are so good
and they're germane to the story beyond they have to do half and half yeah the book if you've never
read it flops between like this present day couple and the couple when they met in high school and
both parts are equally important to understand one another and there's like a lot of drama that
happens in the past and it's not just like one flashback.
It's half the book.
Right.
And now we need to get a young actress who looks like Blake Lively.
Doesn't not like Lily as we imagine her.
Right.
Stinks.
Yeah.
So there you go.
Are you ready for our next story?
Yeah.
Some surprising estate drama surrounding the Presleys Priscilla
Presley has contested Lisa Marie Presley's will she claims there's an invalid signature so let me
get through the deets but Priscilla Presley has contested the authenticity and validity of Lisa
Marie Presley's will the businesswoman filed documents in LA Superior Court on Thursday challenging a purported 2016 amendment to the will which ousted her as trustee. So in the earlier
version of the will Priscilla was a trustee and then there's this 2016 amendment that ousted her
and it put Riley and Benjamin Priscilla's two Lisa Marie's two children as the trustees but
Benjamin has since since passed away. The amendment allegedly removed Lisa Marie's two children as the trustees but Benjamin has since since passed away the
amendment allegedly removed Lisa Marie's former business manager Barry Siegel along with Priscilla
from the trust leaving Riley now the sole trustee after her brother died by suicide in 2020
in the court filing Priscilla claimed she and Siegel were first named co-trustees in January
1993 when Lisa Marie executed a revocable living trust which she amended and
completely restated on January 27 2010 however when she died in January she claims Priscilla
claims she found a new amendment which was dated from March 2016 Priscilla alleges in the docs that
her daughter's signature on the 2016 document quote appears inconsistent with her usual and
customary signature, further
arguing that Lisa Marie's name had even been spelled wrong.
She also claimed that the document was never notarized and had not been delivered to her
during Lisa Marie's lifetime as laid out in the terms of the 2010 trust.
Oh, that's weird.
Priscilla went on to note that she believes Barry Siegel has already or will soon resign
as co-trustee of the trust
it's worth noting that Lisa Marie and that Barry Siegel finance guy like they have a whole long
legal battle he like left her with fourteen thousand dollars and a ton of bills and like
took advantage of oh my god everyone is always taking advantage of the Presleys the Presleys
yeah um this is so shady like an unnotarized misspelled.
Yeah, that's weird.
It is weird.
It's not weird that she took off Barry Siegel, but it would be weird that she removed Priscilla,
who was at one point her executor.
And if she was going to switch, no, but if she was going to switch to her children to have told Priscilla that.
Yeah, but I guess at one point, like you're not supposed to outlive your daughter.
So I think, you know, the thinking was
moving it from my mother to my children
because, you know, it should go, you know,
my mother dying and then me and then my children.
Right.
But that obviously didn't happen.
It's like, I feel like it has to actually be
really that crazy if Priscilla is like
fighting this legally, because otherwise it just means that Riley's the executor and like that's her granddaughter.
Right.
No, it's a problem.
I also feel like it should be relatively easy to figure out if this like document is fraudulent and forged.
Yeah.
Like figured out.
If it was, then like who forged it?
Also, like who would do such a thing with the express interest of like Riley and Benjamin.
Right.
Right.
You know,
it's not like so-and-so put his name in there.
No,
there's something a little weird here.
There's something a little weird here.
I think so too.
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
that was surprising,
especially like so soon after.
Yeah.
It's so.
Her passing.
It's so sad.
Like she was at a trust last week.
When like,
like obviously that's the thing about death is like,
there's a lot of paperwork.
So you're trying to grieve and then there's like a million things.
Yeah.
So if you see like a funky signature and big changes were made.
Ask questions.
You got to ask some questions.
Yeah.
But also she like is filing.
She's filing.
She's filing tings.
The tings have been filed.
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shared that with us. You're welcome. Our next story, an end to the saga of Amy Roback and TJ Holmes. They have been.
Fired.
Exited at ABC.
ABC confirmed Friday that quote distractions TJ Holmes and Amy Roback are officially out at the network following their scandalous affair.
Sources tell Page Six that the deal between the network and their GMA3 anchors turned lovers was signed executed and done by friday afternoon an abc spokesperson
later confirmed the news in a statement saying after several productive conversations with amy
and tj about different options we all agreed it's best for everyone that they move on from abc news
we recognize their talent and commitment over the years and are thankful for their contributions
also then this weekend amy and tj were spotted um loving on the pDA in LA yeah so they're still together that's the most important
um I feel like there's something we don't know here because to be honest like dating your co-worker
is not a fireable offense especially when you work in media and there's been so much press around
this and people are like kind of obsessed it's all good all rising tides rise all shies you
know so I feel like they did an investigation like found something else out like I don't know
I feel like I'm missing a piece of information because I don't really understand what these two
did to get let go well along the way I feel like I saw some stories about how he had had some other
affairs with people that he worked with like over the years not while he's been with Amy I think that they
they made it seem like that affected Amy and what how she felt about him but they're still together
so maybe that's all nonsense um I don't know like how deeply these claims were right validated so
but um no I think that I think that ABC just like totally like played this wrong and read this wrong
I think they thought you know after a week like nobody really cared anymore and I think they like still felt like oh
my god everybody's talking about us everybody's like talking about Amy TJ it's like no we're not
and I think firing them was the complete wrong choice they're also good anchors yes and that's
hard to find these days as we've seen you. You know, there's so much, like, turnover.
And everyone's always looking for, like, the new hosts. Yep.
Like, these are good hosts.
So I don't know what they'll do next.
I think this is a mistake.
Yeah, maybe there's more to the story.
But I just think ABC looks stupid.
I agree.
And I'm sure that they got paid out handsomely.
And they, you know, signed a bunch of stuff.
Because, honestly, this is, like, if it's just on the surface of what we know,
it's definitely wrongful termination.
Like your personal life, like it really cannot,
unless they, you know, sign something
that they wouldn't date anyone.
There's really nothing that we know
that's worth getting fired over.
So I'm sure they got like a very generous package
and they don't have to work.
Yes, but I don't think their package would be like
they don't have to work for the rest of their lives.
No, but like for the foreseeable future.
They could take a break and go to LA
and be, you know, straddling each other
outside the restaurant.
Yes, and that's just what they did.
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About what really happened.
Because like this is a nothing burger.
Nothing.
Oh my God.
They found love.
They found.
Oh, and they were married before.
Okay.
So they found love and they're being punished.
They found love in an unexpected place.
In a hopeless place.
GMA.
Don't we want to celebrate love? Yeah. They literally found love in a unexpected place in a hopeless place gma don't we want to celebrate love yeah they
literally found love in a hopeless place like the third fourth hour of the gma no one's watching that
and they have stuck by each other's sides through this whole roller coaster no it's true at one i
probably at one point would have been like honestly you're not you're not worth it the
trouble no it's actually like a beautiful love story. Yeah.
I look forward to seeing
the movie about it
starring Blake Lively.
A hundred percent.
She would do great.
She would do great
in this role.
Are you ready
for our next story?
A little more TV news.
Page Six is reporting
that Bravo has lost interest
in Roni Legacy
as contract talks
stall over money.
I believe this.
The Real Houses of New York City Legacy show may not happen because of a dispute about how much the cash interest in rony legacy as contract talks stall over money i believe this the real houses of new
york city legacy show may not happen because of a dispute about how much the cash should be paid
page six has exclusively learned we're told bravo has hit pause on contract negotiations with sources
close to the cast telling us the network is low-balling them while production insiders
hope that they think that the talent think they should make what the cast of friends made in their
hand meanwhile page six is told that the network appears to have lost interest
in pursuing the legacy edition amid the deadlock.
So I believe this.
I believe that the legacy women want to get paid what,
like at least what they were making at the last paycheck that they got.
And for Bravo, like that's an expensive show when they have,
you know, a new show
Rony regular where they're making their starting salary entry level no and it's a lot of money to
pay women on a show that sucked like the show we are at this crossroads because the show stunk so
to keep paying these OGs like Sonia Luan who've been on forever who won't accept less than a
million a season probably more to pay that
for a show you have no idea if it's even going to be successful like no and for a show that when we
last spoke flopped it failed yeah like why would you pay them those rates and I also understand
why for them like they're not going to really get out of bed maybe they'll accept like a little bit
less okay so you know we've been humbled our show wasn't doing well but like they're not going to really get out of bed. Maybe they'll accept like a little bit less. OK, so, you know, we've been humbled.
Our show wasn't doing well, but like they're not getting out of bed.
They're not, you know, sharing their lives and everything that's so personal to them
because those women really give it all.
And like they're not going to do that.
And you know what?
This whole story just makes Ramona look like a queen.
Like Ramona, she said she bowed out.
Some people don't believe her.
I actually kind of do.
She's bowed out. people don't believe her I actually kind of do she's bad out she's not even involved she's you know posting her real estate content
and she's not getting like dragged into this and honestly I feel like that was a really good call
because I feel like the show might not even see the light of day yeah I really agree there's all
these like headlines that Ramona is better than ever happier than ever glad to be done with Roni
yeah I do believe that especially if there's not going to be a show anyway and like she looks like the smartest one in the room yeah so my mind
immediately went to ramona i i could so see these women being like it's legacy we've been on forever
like i want two million dollars like i could see that i could see bravo being like weighing their
options like this is dumb by the way because i'm sure this show will not even get picked up for a
season two.
So I actually understand both parties in the crossroads.
And honestly, I don't think they should do the show.
Yeah, I could see like Luann being like, you know, I'm not doing I'm the countess.
You know, I'm a big star.
I'm not doing this for more than, let's say, a million dollars. And then that also makes people like Sonia and the other ones being like, well, if Luann's getting a million, I want a million.
I've been on longer. You know blah blah blah yeah so whether this is true or not I don't know but
I could see it being entirely true yeah and I feel like there's almost like no energy for it like
like does anyone care no I don't think the lay people care it's just like die hard like corner
of the internet bravo fans and I don't know if that people care. It's just like diehard like corner of the internet Bravo fans.
And I don't know if that's enough to make money for a network.
It's not.
So I feel sorry for them.
Yeah.
If they don't get what their, you know, their show.
But there are so many now like all stars.
Ultimate Girls Trip.
Like throw them in there.
Bravo Con.
There's a way to be a Bravo Liberty without having a show.
They just had that show on Peock traders or whatever they had like people like from shots of sunset all different
reality shows that have been canceled that are not still on and there's a way to have a career
as a reality star without like having your own show yeah i think that they would be better off
you know sending them on some of these ultimate girls trips than giving them their own show.
I agree.
I agree.
Are you ready for our fifth and final story?
Final story.
Final story.
Yes, I am.
A little collaboration news that never was that I actually found so interesting.
Katy Perry reveals a huge mistake in declining to work with Billie Eilish.
So she, a TikTok video was posted by 102.7 Kiss FM on Friday.
Katy Perry was performing and she told a group of fans
during what appeared to be an intimate gig
about the collaboration that could have come to life.
She said, Katy Perry said she received an email
from someone that said, hey, check out this new artist.
I'd really like us to work with her
because she was working for me.
She was working with Unsub Records. At the time the time Billie was unknown she said it was a song called
ocean eyes and it was just a blonde girl and I was like meh boring dead honestly she admitted
it was a big mistake huge mistake passing up on the offer and said don't let this hit the internet
no but you know what like no I completely agree that's how the music industry
works like there's so many like pretty young talented girls and there's really no reason why
one makes it over the other you know no and the song Ocean Eyes I know it's like the biggest song
in the world it's never done much for me I love it and if I heard it for the first time I would
have been like me meh, boring.
No thanks.
By the way.
There was no way for her to know.
I think that this gig she was at or whatever, maybe it's not the same one,
but you know, she was like in Australia this weekend at this like good day Australia like charity.
It was like this big fancy black tie event.
And they like the honorees were Katy Perry and Miranda Kerr. And they like posted a million photos together.
And I just felt like it was so weird.
Like because Miranda Kerr was there with Evan Spiegel.
I don't know if Orlando Bloom was there with Katy,
but like Katy's husband, father of a child is Miranda Kerr's ex.
And like Miranda Kerr, I just started following her on Instagram
because she follows me and she's so premium and she's so stunning.
And I saw like a million pictures
she's like posted a thousand times with Katy Perry I was like what is going on in the House of Commons
maybe they all get along no I think that they do I mean they're also moved on do Miranda and
Orlando have kids together any oh that's a good call let's google if they do then that makes sense
as to how they could be like so you you know, peaceful and co-parenting.
Okay.
She has three kids.
Yeah.
One's a Bloom.
Okay.
Flynn, Christopher, Blanchard, Copeland, Bloom.
That's really nice.
That's really nice that they all get along.
Yeah.
I mean, they're both so happy and moved on.
Like Orlando and Katie are so in love.
And of course, Evan and Miranda so it's
easy to co-parent when you know everyone ends up in a really happy you know successful relationship
with somebody equally as rich you know yeah yeah when everybody lands on their feet why can't we
be happy for one another it's nice I just thought it was cute I have to check out the pics no and
they look so cute and like they actually kind of look like I could see like how that would be like Orlando
Bloom's type.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Like if you just look, they have like kind of like the same face.
OK, I'm going to go look like big eyes.
They got you know what they have.
They have ocean eyes.
Oh, hey, I do love hearing about like missed opportunities, like things celebrities passed
on or to take that end up being.
I feel like I'm watching happens live. And he's always asking always asking like is it true you were supposed to be Rose in Titanic
and I kind of love I love learning about that and people's reaction to it is also really funny
yeah and also sometimes it's like someone auditioned for something they would have loved
to get it that's what happens most of the time like yeah but not that they pass on the opportunity of a
lifetime but also still like what could katie perry have done on ocean eyes that like i know
you know she's still she's like a pop global icon so i don't know what working with billy
eilish would have done for except maybe make her a lot of money she's got a lot of money she'll be
okay she'll be fine do you think that they look alike if you're looking at pictures of them
yeah they're both just gorgeous yeah they just look like like the same girl kind of I'm like obsessed with
Miranda Kerr I'm in my Miranda Kerr era oh that's so cute she's kind of everything of the sort like
the more I think about her I mean I could talk about her marriage for a lifetime she's on the
skinny confidential podcast I know because she is a brand makeup brand brand, Cora Organics or something.
Is it clean?
It's very clean.
And she was on the podcast talking about how like it's so crazy what gets put into our
makeup and skincare products.
Like.
That's what I'm trying to say.
That's what I'm trying to say.
Miranda and I are the same.
You should.
No wonder you're in your Miranda era because we're the same.
So true.
And I'm always in my Jackie O era.
My Jackie E era.
So those are the past five. Definitely definitely needed to know I'm really glad honestly I was like annoyed when our episode came out on Friday and we didn't have a chance to talk about Blake Lively because
like I was fucking pissed like I was like now I'm over it because like I moved on with my life but
like I was like this fucking sucks yeah I'm gonna move on with my life I'm just not gonna be as
excited as I once was for the movie like maybe you know it'll be like Top Gun where I see it eight months too late
sorry and and I I think that because I'm not really excited about it like it's not gonna
be successful yeah no and I think that they should kind of take a step back and look and
say Jackie O's not excited maybe we should change things up yeah maybe Blake Lively should play Ryle's sister
yeah I want to find this TikTok somebody cast the movie to perfection I think I know what it
well it was like Sadie Sink plays young Lily Abigail Cowan plays older Lily who's Abigail
Cowan she's from um Sabrina the you wouldn't know her from oh but she was in Sabrina
the Teenage Witch but she's just a oh gorgeous redhead people really wanted the guy who plays
Conrad in The Summer I Turned Pretty to play young Atlas and I totally saw that okay um Lily Collins
as Ryle's sister yes okay so we saw the same tiktok married to i think it was um miles teller
to be marshall because marshall's like this goofy i kind of saw marshall as like a really young
jason siegel okay wait wait here i think i have the tiktok you're looking for yeah i'm all brushed
up on my talk oh well really young jason siegel yeah that's pretty um he's too old now and I think Miles Teller could
could do a good job at like a good Marshall like goofy curly hair yeah and everybody wants Ryle to
be Theo James from White Lotus yes this one says do you see what I sent you where'd you send it to
me Sadie Sink is young Lily yeah Lewis Patrick is young Atlas
no okay that's what I
that's Abigail Cowan I
found it I found it okay
okay this is the one I
sent you though no I
already saw that one when
I was just looking right
now because I googled
the same thing as you
so Conrad from a
centennial as Mars
yeah that one stinks I
don't like that that
casting that one went
viral this one went
viral okay okay? Okay.
Conrad as young Atlas.
Adult Atlas, Alex Pettifer.
I don't like that, but that's the only flaw in the casting. It's getting quite lively.
Sadie Sink, young Lily, of course.
Holland Rodin as adult Lily.
Do you know her?
Hold on.
Let me Google.
Sounds familiar.
She very briefly dated Zac Efron.
I don't know if she has like a ton Holland Rodin gorgeous yes she's familiar she has like that face Theo James is
Ryle Miles Teller as Marshall Lily Collins as as Marshall's uh wife Alyssa Ryle's sister
this is the best one.
Shout out to Katie Feeney on TikTok for going viral with that.
Yeah, that's good.
Like the fact that people on TikTok can like make a cast come to life better than a movie
studio will just blow my mind in perpetuity.
Yeah.
And I do feel like TikTok should have been able to weigh in a little bit yeah considering
like they have some good ideas this was the book of TikTok so true so motherfucking true
I wonder how Colleen feels I mean I'm sure she's mostly like so down but like
that TikTok feels so much ownership over her books it's like no I wrote them I think for an author but I think for an
author that's like the dream oh yeah I mean what happened to her and her books and like
just the virality and book talk and everything like is amazing yeah
and I think any cons that came along with it are not even a blip on the radar for her she just bought her mom a house she's fine yeah um so that's our show that is it is correct yeah yeah ours oh i was no i feel like
some people thought it was the kelsey brothers show but it's no but it wasn't that's it's so
similar that's new heights right is that the name of it i don't know in the heights I feel like I thought it was
no I think it was new heights hold on I already lost it Kelsey bros the Kelsey brethren that's
what it should be called 100 new heights is that what I said are we okay it's just it's a bad name
that you literally can't remember if you tried your if you tried. Your life depended on it.
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