The Toast - The Problematic Gringo: Thursday, May 1st, 2025

Episode Date: May 1, 2025

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Good morning, girlies, it's the Toast. It's Jackson, Claude, and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly, it's the Toast. They sound amazing. Welcome back to the Tist. Gonna be a great show. You just definitely made me chip beer by letting me know that it's Thursday.

I know, that's like kind of what you guys saw in real time, me downloading the fact that it's the latter half of the week. And that it's May. May is a gorgeous month. April showers bring May flowers. May flowers. I feel like no one gets upset that it's May. It's all-

Except Justin Timberlake. No, well he gets excited because everybody will post him without shame today. Whereas there's usually a lot of shame unless you're Travis Kelce. It's the kind of positive press Justin Timberlake needs. Yeah, he'll always have May first. It's gonna, gonna, gonna, gonna, gonna,

is gonna be May. And I just feel like that really snuck up on us. Love that so much. It's May. It really is a beautiful month. It's been so guajina, vagina, esplasina in the city recently. I've been like spending so much time on my balcony. I literally forgot I had one

because I didn't use it all winter. Yeah. Ben went to Home Depot, bought a tulip. Don't you have two? I do. Like the other one gets no sun. It has no furniture on it and we never sit out there. Which one's that?

The one like in the nook? Yeah, yeah. We never- Don't like that one. No, I've actually been thinking of getting a, like a shed or something so I could start using it for storage. Like it's just all this empty square footage

in my New York City apartment. That's insane. But I don't know what I could keep out there that would be weatherproof. And I just like buying sheds online is a weird experience. I didn't say online. I would not buy it online. I remember I'm not buying a shed.

I would go to like, you know, a store. I ventured into shed buying territory online just cause I was like, I would love a shed for all the like outdoor toys that we have, like put them in and then it gets weird. Agreed. You never know what's going to come in your shed. So the outdoor toys are just on the lawn.

That's okay, I think it's better for everyone. But yes, I do slay, kind of, you know, have two balconies. But the one that gets the sun and the one that has better views and the one that I have furniture on, I've been spending so much time on fresh air is just so underrated. It's really partilish.

And I love air conditioned air. Like that is definitely one of my favorite airs. And you're not knocking that, but you can like say a positive thing about fresh air without taking away from your love of air conditioning. I also love ceiling fan air. I love all different types. Oh really?

Gives me dry eye. Oh yes. Well, there is like a push and a pull when you sleep under a ceiling fan or any fan. I sleep with a big- I don't mind sleeping under a ceiling fan, my eyes are closed. But if my eyes are open, I see you for what you really are,

which is ugly. When you sleep under any sort of fan, you're gonna wake up with dry mouth and your hair is gonna be like, whoosh. Yeah, so I'm not a huge ceiling fan person in case anyone was gonna get me a ceiling fan. Jackie, have you ever slept outside? Under the stars?

But yeah, or like in a tent. Like have you ever slept in the fresh air? You have? Yeah, like on Teen Tour in Israel. No wonder you went home early from the Teen Tour. They made you sleep outside. Yeah, that was like an experience I was dreading, but I actually wound up enjoying it.

That wasn't why I went home. You had the Bedouin tents. Yeah, I never did it. I don't think I've ever slept under the stars. You've never done Bedouin tents? And I did on birth, right? Like I've done a couple of organized trips to Israel and I never did the Bedouin tents.

It's the best part. And it's crazy because you think it would be like the most dreadful part, you don't shower that night. But like a girl on my trip with my hair in French braids, I was so fabulous. I definitely need to add to my list of things I would like to do. Sleeping outside under the stars.

I think you would hate it. Really? Well, just cause like you're afraid of everything and you're not wrong for that. Well, summer house last night when Wes fell asleep in like what looked to be a really cozy trampoline bed, maybe I could do that. What about the rain?

Imagine you got woke up being pelleted by rain. The rain. You would seriously have a heart attack. No, and also there are quite a few elements to be aware of in the Hamptons. Deer. Deer. Ticks. Or you want to become deer meal?

Right, right. A little venison. Like I don't know if maybe I would do that, but I can't believe you've slept under the stars and I haven't, like that's just so crazy. Well, sleeping in a tent is actually not under the stars. I disagree, it is. Well, I did that.

Things I did that, eh. We've got a great show today. We've got the stories and you would say that they are. They're good. T-O-G. Lot of love in the air. Love is in the air. I feel like it's the season, you know?

People are feeling happy. Seasonal effectiveness disorder is waning. You wanna meet someone. You wanna fall in love. And that's definitely what Tom Cruise and Anna DeArmas are experiencing. Yeah, we'll get into that. We also have Summer House Recap,

last night's episode was on, last night. Yeah, it was, lots of thoughts. Me too. I texted you that you were sleeping, because I just wanted to say one thing to you offline. Yeah, we can talk about it later. Do you know what it was? No.

Oh, okay. I feel like maybe, but I don't know. I was gonna say, like, Bruno. Oh, you wanna communicate with me? I'm just gonna text you really quickly. Bruno's here, he just got a fresh groom. Come here, Bruno, show everyone your new crop. Look at handsome Diablo.

Bruno, Diablo, hey, Brew. Broody Judy, hey, broody, bro Diablo. Hey, Brew. Brewdy Judy. Hey, Brewdy, Brewdy, Brewdy, Brewdy, Brewdy. That's what I wanted to tell you. Not tell you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, we'll get into it in the recap. Yeah.

Aside from that, anything new with you since yesteryear? Well, let me think about that, Coach Jillowoad. No, I've been reading the book for the Redheads, the new Lucy score book. And as of yet, I don't know why people are saying it's so bad. Like, I think I'm 30% in,

but we're establishing something. So I did further investigation into my claim that the Redheads said that this book was bad. And it turns out that there are Redheads saying that this book is bad. And I do believe that the Redheads who are saying that this book is bad are Redheads who don't often wean into smut territory.

So they're like new here. And while maybe they're excited about the smutty parts, they're like the actual book, they have higher expectations, literally. Understood. No, I know what I'm signing up for. So I can understand why if they're like looking for a Danish choice and then we read this,

it's like, you know, the plot isn't that deep and the characters aren't that developed. But that's not where, I haven't gotten to any smut yet, but I look forward to seeing what Lucy does on that score because I've heard- Lucy is gonna do a lot. I've heard, like she's one of the greats, right? She's in a beacon, a pillar of the community.

Is she not the number one smut author without reading like actual pornography? I guess I would include, yeah, Tessa Bailey. Who would you say is the smuttiest author that you've read that's not like, you know, the Kama Sutra? Right. No, I guess it would be Lucy Scorer. Colleen Hoover, like once you get into smut, you realize Colleen Hoover actually does not

write smut. She's got nothing on these. And once you read a lot of smut, then you start to see how like other authors are like trying to inject smut into their books. Cause it's the new frontier. No, it's kind of like the thing you need. If you want your book to be successful.

But I think you should stay true to yourself. Speaking of smut, I'm on the Good Guys podcast today. Both Paige and I, the pregnant good gals, the good wives. And in which way does that relate back to Smut? I fear the answer. So we are both pregnant, and I know you know how babies get made, Jackie. Yes.

There you go. There's your connection. There's your connection. Two couples who have had sex. Multiple times. Well, it only needed one time. Even though it actually means like, it's like 50 times,

cause you've got to just- They say all it takes is one time to get pregnant. Let me tell you that couldn't be further from the truth. I don't know anyone who only took one time. And I forget who was, oh, I think it was Kristen and Luke on the Valley. Like I actually appreciated them talking about, but like, yeah, sex is great, but like, not really.

When you're in season, when you're in heat, like it's not. When you're like trying for sport, it's actually one of the worst experiences. No, and it's so funny. Cause like men, like they think they can't get enough sex. And it's what I saw funny, real. That was like, you know, there's just never they always want sex.

Right. The way they get over it even faster than that, they hate that. That time period more. One thousand percent. I'm like, Ben, let's do it again just in case, because Jackie says the mornings are good. And he's like, you're kidding. You're kidding me. He's like, no. No, Ben also like, seriously, I was a big fan of the mornings. I don't know where I heard that it's more effective. Sorry, not a big fan, like sexually.

Big fan, like for more efficacy. Did you tell me that it was better? I don't think that I told you that because if I think about it, I feel like the evenings are better. It depends on the timing of your, you know. I don't know where I heard it. So like when we were going, I was like the next morning, I'm like, let's just do it just in case, you know?

Yeah. Well, that's just everything. Like, let's just do it just in case. Like this could be the one. You would have thought I was asking my husband like seriously to like join the army. He was like you're kidding Like it over here a couple lights. I realized oh my god. Are you sitting without lights? My main light was on but I just saw like up there. So look at me Look at you tech and then there was light

That's beautiful Yeah, so I do guy. Oh, gee. Hopefully we don't clip anything from previous. It hasn't been that funny, don't worry. I don't think we had a clip-worthy moment. The show can like officially start now. I finished the pit. Okay. Which I enjoyed immensely,

but was super underwhelmed by the ending. And I know what people are gonna say. Like I just know, okay. You didn't get it. No, there was nothing to get. Like the shift just- I'm underwhelmed by the ending and I know what people are gonna say. I just know. Okay? No. There was nothing to get. Like the shift just- You didn't get it because you don't work

in the medical field. So the shift just ends and they're all just depressed, obviously, because they worked a 14 hour terrible shift where people died. And they all just go their separate ways to come back again tomorrow, right? And I know what people are gonna say.

Well, that's what it's really like when you work in an emergency room. No, get it. Like, that's great that they were accurate, but I'm watching a television show and I was like, so what did I just watch? Like I didn't understand entertainment wise. Like I get it. And it's not that I didn't like it because I can't relate to it. I just, and I'm sure if you're working in an emergency room, you probably felt really seen to call this adrenaline, right? You're on this high, you're saving lives. People who die and coming felt really seen. It's like all this adrenaline, right? You're on this high, you're saving lives, people are dying, coming here, coming there.

And then you just like go home to your apartment. It's just like, okay. What did you want them, how did you want them to end it? Like what would have been something? I don't know, like drama, like interpersonal drama, something. I understand. But the way that you're describing it,

like I understand what they're doing. Yeah, no, they're trying to really replicate the whole season. You literally live through a shift in the emergency room. And so the ending is going to end how a normal shift ends. And I was just bored by the end. That's it. I liked everything else about the show. Okay. Well, that's like a good endorsement if you only had one critique. No. And then Ben was saying like, this particular emergency room is like really understaffed, underfunded under everything and overwhelmed with people. Like there's never not a hundred people in the waiting room.

And most of them are there for like little things, you know, not life threatening. And Ben was like, now I feel bad. Like the last time I went to the emergency room and it was when he cut his thumb off making me dinner. But that's like he should go, what he shouldn't go? No and she cauterized the shit out of that and you know he doesn't have a scar. Damn.

And then we were wondering, is she a resident? Well, you should ask questions. He went to Cornell. I don't know if Cornell is a teaching hospital. I don't know. Yeah, so I'm just kind of like an expert now. That's good. I need to turn a kid at an IO in trauma room one.

Ace up. Okay, I'm older. Should we dive into the stories? Yeah, let's do it. Just feels like we're dilly dallying for the sake of dallying, you know? I wasn't, there was no dallying on my part. Without first. Okay.

She's foisting the dallying on me. Yeah, like it was a little bit of dallying from you, but like that's what we do. We disting the dallying on me. Yeah, like it was a little bit of dallying from you, but like that's what we do. We dilly and we dally. We dilly and we dally. Without further ado, da, do, da, do. Here are you. Where are you?

Theo is a sex slave. Oh, we were talking about this on the Patreon. So yesterday, Jack and I recorded an episode for Patreon, just doing more pop culture hot takes. And we were talking about AI generated images on chat GBT. And I finally figured out somebody, I upgraded my chat GBT, I paid $20 a month now. I should file that as a business expense,

just need to write that down. So I was making so many AI generated images last night. And I was saying the first time I wanted to make an AI image that I couldn't figure out how to do was when Theo died, I wanted to make a picture of Theo in heaven. Like, tell AI like my Cavalier died, he's in heaven. Like, can you show me what he looks like? Yeah.

And so first thing I did after I paid in 1999 was make it, it was seriously emo. Like I felt like I- Can you send it to me? Yeah. You want it right now? Yeah, I do. Chadoo. You doodoodoodoo? Doodoodoodoo. Let's see,. You do do do do do?

Do da do da do. Let's see, where's my do do do? It's really, really cute. You're gonna love it. Sent. Did you share a photo of him? Yes, they asked for a photo of the dog. That's the one.

Isn't that cute? That's the one thing AI's not great at. It's like replicating faces, you know? Isn't that a great picture of our sex slave dude? one thing AI is not great at is like replicating faces. You know? Oh. Isn't that a great picture of our sex slave do? Oh. Yeah. Have AI make a photo of him as a sex slave. No, no.

Romeo and someone's basis. You should make this your phone background. I know it's so cute, but I don't want to be depressed every time I open my phone. Oh. I know it's so cute, but I don't want to be depressed every time I open my phone. Oh, you have to post this. Okay, I'll share it on our Instagram. Just post it on your story. So like everyone, if you're listening to this,

go to Claudia's story and then follow me. You're gonna post it right now, but they won't understand, and then follow me. You're fucking crazy, follow me too, bitch. Follow me too. Just post it like let me rap and then a whole lot of people will catch up.

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Our first story, love is in the air. Tom Cruise and Anna DeArmes enjoy a helicopter ride before a swanky birthday dinner in London. So these people just love flying. We always are spotting them at the helipad, at the hangar. Brian would call them, they sound like AV geeks. And they're also, well, he definitely is.

I feel like that's- Oh yeah, part of his whole shtick. Yeah, right. Like planes, trains, and automobiles, and motorcycles. And let's strap himself to different. Strap him. Yeah, right.

They were spotted enjoying a helicopter ride together as they celebrated her 37th birthday, where she turned 37 and he is 62. In images obtained by TMZ. Yucky. And just neat, those are relevant facts. By the way, no one's clouting on you. We needed those facts.

Yeah. I'm sure I reminded you last time, but like as we set the table for this discussion, The ages are pertinent to the me. Yeah. Now I don't think they're pertinent in a sense that there's anything unethical. It's just gross.

Yeah. But I would say- Like she's almost 40, she can make her own decisions. Yeah. And I would just say, I don't think he's your average 62. No, like we said, he straps himself to different planes, trains, and automobiles.

Yeah, so they are very much dating. Now we can say that they were also seen with her two dogs in tow. He doesn't seem like the type to just tolerate some dogs on a helicopter unless he's in love. Yeah, he could be like, they're really scratching at the leather. Yeah, yeah.

They're shedding. Yeah, right. No, he doesn't seem like chill about pets at all. But he's in love with Mr. Armous and so he's gonna be chill about it. So like I get why he's in love with Mr. Armous, right? She's very beautiful, like in young and sprightly. I really don't understand what she sees in him.

Like he, I'm sorry, is not currently attractive, in my opinion. He's obviously like super toxic, even beyond like the Scientology of it all. I feel like even him on like a personality level, the fact that he's like so obsessed with his like stunts and being young, like he just gives me like freaky ass, annoying ass vibes.

Like he would wake us up so early with like green juice and like hikes. ass, annoying ass vibes. Like he would wake us up so early with like green juice and like hikes. Yeah. I feel like I always wind up, well, because you're so anti him. Like you do always wind up defending Tom Cruise. I'm glad you could acknowledge your bias. Any degree of less anti that I am makes me seem pro

and I'm not pro, but I can see why, like he would be desirable for her. Really? Yeah. Maybe not like looks-wise. Yeah, he's a little old, but plenty of beautiful girls date old rich men and we're not like, he's so ugly and old. She dated Ben Affleck

and I didn't say that I thought that was gross or yucky. I think Ben Affleck is very handsome. Ben Affleck is also doing a lot of podcasts. Have you seen, he was on The Ovan. Yeah, what is he talking about? He has a new movie. It's a sequel to another movie that I didn't that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that.

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I do hate Tom Cruise. And I don't love Tom Cruise, but like for Anna DeArmas, like he is an A-list Hollywood star. He's very successful. Her career is floundering a little bit. Like this is a good match. When they step out on a red carpet together at Cannes or Venice,

like that is an A-list couple that she is now a part of. I guess, but because it's so obviously like a strategic move for her, like I just can't see her actually being in love with this man for a multitude of reasons. By the way, the word love didn't leave my mouth. It makes me think less of her. Cause if you're gonna be in one

of these like fake PR relationships, there has to be like a little bit of doubt from people being like, is this real? Is it not real? This is so clearly not real, you know? Well, I think you can love a lot of things. You can love fame and fortune and helicopters. And if Tom provides the things that you love,

ergo, you love Tom. Do you think that, is it like in Scientology, like another religion where like you date within your religion? I can see Tom, he's so, not every person is like so invested in their own religion, but like he is like the president of his religious church. Like.

That's a good question. She's not. Maybe it's like if it gets to the level of marriage, she would have to convert. In which I would say like, just take a look at Katie Holmes. Have a con, sit down and have a convo with Katie, okay? Before you do any of that, Anna DeArmas. I don't think Anna DeArmas will marry Tom Cruise.

I don't think she'll take it that far. I don't know, like, these roles are hard to get and the women, the new girls are younger and hotter and everyone, it's like a very toxic environment to be like a young hot starlet in Hollywood. You're in one day, you're out the next. Next. You know, you're dating Tom Cruise just to get by Yeah It's devastating for women. Seriously, it is hard

where are where are the feminist groups women that I would feel sorry for as they age out of Fabulous roles like I don't think of her because I think she's I think she's so beautiful I think she has what it takes. She's just gone through a bit of a love. Unfortunate. A rough patch. Yeah, I do think that people are enormously relieved that the man she was dating prior is no longer her boyfriend,

even though Tom Cruise is not much better. But we were talking about last week how he comes from a very controversial political family and her dating him was kind of like a slap in the face to her culture, to her people. So I think the tostadas, specifically the Cubana tostadas are relieved that she's just dating this gringo now. But this gringo is hella problematic as well.

And I think perhaps for them, he's just a Hollywood movie star and he's not Scientology bad. They don't know him that well. He's just like Tom Cruise, Mission Impossible, cool. Have fun, Nana. And there are lots, there are lots of, have fun. There are lots of celebrities that are involved

in the church to varying degrees. And I don't think I would regard them all equally. Like, so yes, Tom Cruise is a Scientologist, but he's also like the number one guy in Scientology. He's like the biggest funder. He brings other celebrities in. He's like the liaison. He is a huge leader.

He's not just a member of the church, you know? He's part of, I'm sure he's like a chairman or something. So it's more than just being a Scientologist. Yeah, he's the king of them. He is the king of them. And some others are the sorry people. Right, who are like, you actually feel bad for, because they just are being like indoctrinated into a cult.

Like Tom is at the top, you know, he's culpable. Yeah, but no, some of them are very successful and like they're grown people like Elizabeth Olsen. No, stop. Elizabeth Moss, you have seriously slandered. I don't know why Elizabeth also doesn't sue us. Peggy Olsen. Peggy Olsen, Elizabeth Moss, Handmaid's Tale, Mad Men.

She is a big Scientology swear. And like she gets like press and media interviews and like nobody talks about it the way they talk about Tom. It does come up every time she is promoting Handmaid's Tale. Well, isn't that a little on the nose? Yeah, Scientology is known for making women give birth with their legs chained up, really terrible for women. And the Handmaid's Tale has a lot of terrible

for women vibes too. So it's a little on the nose. Yeah, so it comes up then, yes. Got it, okay. Are you ready for our next story? Yeah. Bill Belichick released a statement after his interview with his girlfriend, Jordan,

went very viral. So I learned a lot from the statement that he released. First of all, did you know that he's a coach for the UNC Tar Heels, that he's a college football coach right now? He's in his first year. Actively? Actively, because the statement came from University

of North Carolina. They said our coach released a statement. So like that's what he's doing in his career. That's weird. I didn't know that. Yeah, like is that not weird? Who knows? It's like weird.

Yeah, okay. He said, this is what he said. I'm gonna give it space so that we can evaluate. Cause he said I agreed to- I read it and I literally didn't understand it. He said, I agreed to speak with CBS this morning to promote my new book, The Art of Winning, Lessons for My Life in Football.

Prior to this interview, I clearly communicated with my publicist at Simon and Schuster that any promotional interviews I participated in would agree to focus solely on the contents of the book. I'm sure he had like red lines around his relationship and I feel like anytime you do an interview, like you request that you not speak about things

that you don't wanna speak about. Right, the publication has no responsibility, obligation. But it's like what's done, you know? Right. Most of the time, I feel like it's just like a verbal agreement, like you're not here to expose me, like we're talking about my book. That's what he thought he was going into.

Sometimes, like, you could, people push it. If there's a big thing going on, like, in your life, and, you know, the expectation is that you're not supposed to talk about it at all, I feel like most outlets actually wouldn't agree to that, but they would agree to like one pre-approved question. Right, they might not agree to it, but to agree, like, okay, we won't talk about those things and then bring it up is a real curveball.

CBS said, we said no such thing. Okay, well this is what he said. Unfortunately, that expectation was not on or during the interview. I was surprised when unrelated topics were introduced and I repeatedly expressed to the reporter Tony and the producers that I preferred to keep the conversation centered are on the book. After this occurred several times, Jordan, with whom I share both a personal and professional relationship, stepped in to reiterate that point to help refocus the

discussion. She was not deflecting any specific question or topic, but simply doing her job to ensure the interview stayed on track. Some of the clips make it appear as though we were avoiding the question of how we met, but we have been open about the fact that Jordan and I met on a flight to Palm Beach in 2021. The final eight-minute segment does not reflect the productive 35 minute conversation we had, which covered a wide range of topics related to my career. Instead, it presents selectively edited clips and stills from just a few minutes of the interviews

to suggest a false narrative that Jordan was attempting to control the conversation, which is simply not true. Okay, I think that two things can be true, right? I do think Jordan was attempting to control the conversation. Like I saw what I saw. And like now I'm onto her completely. But also, hi, Bill Belichick,

is this your first time in media? Like this is what they do. You sit down for 35 minutes. You know the segment's not gonna be 35 minutes and you know they're gonna take what they want. So you have to like give them the least amount of, what's word I'm looking for? Like tea or like leads to go on.

Like you have to behave. And I hate when people act like this is their first day on planet earth, like this is what the media does. Like you don't like it, go on a podcast and sit and talk for two hours and the whole thing will be cut. That's not edited. Yeah, but the way that he describes it,

and I do still think like Jordan is taking advantage of an old man and the fact that he's like coaching college football after winning eight Super Bowls, like I'm confused. I'm shocked, yeah. But she now has an $8 million real estate portfolio, like he needs to work. Yes, I saw that.

However, I do think that they painted a little bit of a picture where like, so first of all, he's saying that they work together too, like she does his PR and social media. So like she was acting the way a publicist would act. Also Gronk and Julian Edelman did a podcast together talking about this and I thought they would be like, you know, everyone else like clowning on each media. So like she was acting the way a publicist would act. Also Gronk and Julian Edelman did a podcast together talking about this. And I thought they would be like, you know,

everyone else like clowning on each other. But no, they said, Julian Edelman said, people are giving an unfair reality of what's going on. He said she was jumping into that conversation during the interview, just like any PR person would jump in when there's an unnecessary question that they probably didn't go over

in the pre-production meeting. That's true. He said he heard Jordan is playing the role of Bill's advisor and handling all of his business inquiries and social media platforms. He said, when you look at the situation and you say, oh, this is his girlfriend jumping in, I think that's unfair.

I think she's actually working with Coach Belichick in the professional world. And she probably went and said, hey, no, we're not doing that. And then then he said, doesn't that always happen whenever you do an interview, do you not have a representative there? Gronk agreed with his former teammates reasoning

and claimed that no one has put the ex cheerleaders profession, Jordan's role in Bill's life hand in hand together. Like people are missing the professional piece. And then if you think about her acting as his PR representative, what she did. Is well within the bounds of her job. Is what they do.

It's just newsworthy because she's the girlfriend and she's doing it. So now we see it. But if it was just like. And she's 50 years younger than him. If she was just an unnamed individual being like, we're not talking about that, that wouldn't be newsworthy. No, even though I do love when publications keep in,

when publicists chime in, like when the New Yorker was interviewing Ben Platt and just asked about the fact that like he's- Nepo. Only had like, he's super talented, but like, you know, your dad's a big time producer and that's why you are where you are. And like literally he wouldn't even acknowledge it.

That just made him look like a big time loser. But then New York Magazine or New York or whoever it was kept in the fact that his publicist chimed in. I loved that. So yes, it is common for a person in that position, whether it's a publicist or like a brand manager, to chime in. But I think the fact that she's his publicist

or whatever advisor they said, I think that's crazy. And I also, it's so funny, I feel like people tried to make me care about Bill Belichick and his five year old girlfriend for a couple of months now. Every time they posted an Instagram, it was newsworthy and I'm like, why do I give a fuck? I don't.

I thought it was just that he was dating someone so young and how gross is this dirty old man dating a 21 year old? And I didn't care about Bill Belichick before, so I just didn't think it was worth getting invested in. Now it's all I think about. This particular clip has totally changed everything for me. And I do still have suspicions.

Yes, her being an official team member for him is better. Yeah, I think the interview, I'm now on alert and there's definitely like American greeded, Stacey looking to this. But I do think CBS this morning did them really dirty. Yes, yes, they were looking, but it's so easy to do them dirty. Like people are really interested in them and they're not hiding, they're like out in the open.

Yeah. And the shirt, which like apparently someone said like he always wears shirts with holes. That's just not how I would want to be known. Not only that, but get a new shirt. Yeah, what about a shirt without holes? There are people who have like no choice

but to wear holes in their shirts, you know? Yeah. And here you are, like big time magazine editor, buy a shirt. Your girlfriend has an $8 million real estate portfolio. That's like a new story that came out about her. People are looking into her fights. Yeah, and she's 24.

She was in high school like literally five years ago. So it's definitely impressive. And I think a lot of people are wondering how. Yeah, she's definitely taking the old man's money. It's giving heartbreakers. You can rely on the old man's money. Bill Belichick is Gene Hackman. She's Sigourney Weaver.

I feel like vomiting. Yeah, she's Sigourney Weaver. Except he seems in on it. I feel like he's like, listen, take my money. Do it for me. Spread them. Spread them like we're in it together. Yeah, I do. Like I have a lot of concerns.

I do, I'm sorry. For Bill. Yeah. But also, unless he's suffering in a mental capacity, like that is a grown man making his own decisions. He is in his seventies. Like I don't even know. He could be suffering in a mental capacity,

but like that's not even been mentioned. No, it's getting Tom seventies. Like I don't even know. He could be suffering in a mental capacity, but like that's not even been mentioned. No, no. It's getting Tom Girardi. He wrote a book. Right. How incapacitated could he be? Let's not let that, and you know, I'm sure he's bummed that the book sort of taken a back seat to all the drama.

Yeah. I didn't even know that that interview was in service of a book. Like I just was obsessed with the clip. I gleaned because of the acknowledgements where he said Jordan is my muse and my advisor. But it's called The Art of Winning. I think it's on stands now. Pick it up at a local bookstore.

So Jordan could get another house. Like why don't you help out your local heartbreaker? Your local Sigourney. She's a Jen, oh no, she's Sigourney. Jennifer Love Hewitt had a heart. Yeah, no, she had like a moral conflict. But don't you feel like that's interesting about Gronk and Julian Edelman, that they did not like it?

Yeah, it speaks very well of Bill Belichick, that they're not like Kylen Gonn. And the fact that they still call him Coach Belichick, it's like when you have a teacher. Yeah, you just can't help but call them like Mr. Levine. Yeah, yeah, even though he's like, I'm Dan. Roz, yeah. Okay, that's the latest there.

And then a little more sports news because Kylie Jenner and Timothee Chalamet shared a courtside kiss on a loved up date night at the Lakers game. They're so touchy. It's really crazy. Like every time I see pictures and videos of them IRL, I'm like, oh, they're the PDA couple,

like who's making out in front of your locker and you need them to move so you can get your books. Yeah, but they're so cool that you can't ask them. And so you have to go to class without your books and get detention. So you'll just get an F, yeah. She looked fabulous. Like Quartzside is, it's like going,

there are a couple, I feel like, Quartzside is very public, right? You know that if you go, there's lots of photos. It's also NBA playoffs. So like all eyes are on you. And I feel like a lot of celebrities actually don't go on dates courtside because of the public element of it.

Even though it's like a fun thing to do. Sometimes maybe they'll go to a suite. You get like worse photos of them in a suite. Yeah, yeah, there's like a live cam on you when you're courtside. The whole stadium is taking videos of you because they're also taking videos of the players and you're in the background.

You're right there. Yeah. And I think a lot about the pictures of Karlie Kloss and Taylor Swift drinking beers and black turtlenecks at the Knicks game. Like how many photos we got of them just doing that. Like, and nobody, nobody goes. Like celebrities go all the time,

but they don't go on dates. Yeah. And so this was a choice, a public choice. And I find that very interesting. And also- So what do you think this means for the Met Gala? It's really crazy because Timothy Chalamet is a big Knicks fan.

He's been at almost all the Knicks playoff games, so it's just kind of like traitorous energy. But he did just buy a house in LA to be closer to Kylie and Stormi, so maybe he's switching sides. I think he's trying to get into her interests. What does this mean for the Met Gala? Yeah, we are underratedly three, four days out

from the Met Gala. All the fake guest lists have started to surface. But they're not fake because they're like the obvious people who go to the Met Gala. Kim Kardashian. Cara Delevingne. Lala Anthony. Like, yeah, she works for Vogue now.

She's always at the top of the carpet. Billie. Billie Eilish, yes. I don't think it's so crazy to say that they would go together, although have they walked a carpet together? No, they go to a lot of events together, but they arrive separately.

But like all the events, a lot of the events that they've gotten to together have been for Timothy's work. And I think Kylie doesn't want to take away from that. And she really just shows up as like Timothy's plus one in his support system and doesn't want to like walk the red carpet with him. I think the Met Gala is like so neutral.

It's like they're both invited on their own. Neither of them are there to like promote any one thing. This is the thing that they can do together as the first time because the first one's gonna get the most attention. I won't be surprised either way. If they walk it together, I think it's the perfect time. If they don't, I will respect the fact that they're still

keeping an element of privacy to their relationship, even though it does feel like, you go to Coachella, you know everyone's gonna see you, you go to Laker Game Court, like it feels like they're going to public places knowing what that entails. They're living without abandon. They're coming out of the shadows.

Yes, it's almost like how Imruel was undocumented. And now that he's not, he refuses to live in darkness. Yeah, so maybe that's what happened here. Yeah, maybe. I'm excited for the Met Gala. High alert for that. Yeah, that will be fun. You will love it.

It's always like, you will love it. Even though, don't leave your house that day in the city. It's the worst fucking time to be like out and about. Yeah. Because there's just gridlock everywhere. At least it's in service of greatness. Fabulousness, yeah. Not like loser dumb. Not like the UN.

Yeah, right. So that'll be fun. Monday's episode, well, Tuesday's episode. Tuesday and Wednesday for the after parties. I mean Thursday, Friday too. Are you ready for our next story? Number four. Am I?

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So I'll just brief everyone, because we were talking about the movie, The Notebook, and someone shared a hot take that they thought that Ally should have ended up with James Marsden's character. Now we discussed that, you and I, we shared a lot of our thoughts and coincidentally James Marsden is answering the Notebook fans burning question, should Ally have ended up with or Noah. What were we just comparing Ali and Noah to? Camilla and Charles. Right, like when we saw it in the notebook we loved it like yes she left the good man Savannah but it wasn't her man and if you're gonna empower that then you also have to empower Prince Charles for choosing

Camilla Parker Bowles and yeah they cheated so did Ali and Noah. Yeah, so he did an interview with people and he is setting the record straight on whether or not he believes there should be justice for law. Like what are the odds? What are the odds? And I'm glad that like people are thinking critically about the notebook because he was a good man.

Yeah. Like you were, what we were saying on the Patreon, it's like, it would have been easier if he was like this dick, right? No, oh, he was rich. Oh, he loved her. The family loved him. Let me get you this ring. Let me take you dancing.

Let me buy you this house. Let me do anything for you. And she just didn't want it. Can't relate, can't relate. So he said, you know, it's funny. I hear a lot of people nowadays have very kindly come up to me and say, Lon was the whole package.

You were like this wealthy guy and you treated her right and you trusted her and it was a healthy relationship. And Ali and Noah were in an unhealthy toxic relationship. While I see that and I understand it, he said, I mean, love is love. The dynamic between Ali and Noah and their chemistry was undeniable. And so I think, yeah, she should have ended up with Noah. That kind of love in that movie can be fiery and it can still be the right thing, the right person to be with.

But he's confident that somewhere out there in another fictional universe, Lon has found a happy ending. Yes, yes. Lon was really open to love. Yeah, he said, not that Lon is a bad guy, he's a really good guy, but there's another lady out there for him, I'm sure that's very happy. Yeah, it's like, if Noah didn't marry Ally,

he wouldn't have married anyone. Like Lon could have made it work with like a lot of women because he was a very like, you know, it's like there's a pot for every lid, but some lids work with many pots and some lids only work with one pot. That's- I love that.

That's always something I think about that all the time with like people, even that I know, like they're the sort of pot that like can work with a lot of different lids. They'll find another cover. But then you have sometimes that kooky pot that only goes with its kooky lid. That you like got at a thrift store.

Yeah, that you couldn't just put any lid on. That's like one of the best analogies you've ever made. I completely agree. I also really respect James Marsden's answer. If he had said, yeah, it would have disrupted the legacy of the film. The balance. Yeah, he has to, I think part of being an integral character

in an iconic film is you have to sort of respect the legacy of it. Maybe he doesn't feel this way, maybe he does. But if you then say like, yeah, I agree with everyone, no, you have to leave the movie as is. It's true. And the fact that Rachel McAdams and Ryan Gosling fell in love on the set.

Like if she had wound up with James, it wouldn't have felt as real. Yeah, no. And the thing was was that, like it's a little idyllic, right? She loved Noah more, but marriages and relationships are about a lot of things. Love being one of them.

And I do believe that she loved Lon, not as much and as fiery and as passionately as she loved Noah, but it would have been a good marriage for a lot of reasons, including the fact that she did like him. She didn't like him as much as she liked Noah, like there would have been a good marriage for a lot of reasons, including the fact that she did like him. She didn't like him as much as she liked Noah, like there were other people she liked more, but you don't always marry like the fiery guy.

Like you marry the good guy, the good husband, the father, the responsible, there are other things. So yes, it's a movie, so it's more like fantastical, but if I'm applying it to like real life and I'm giving advice to my girlfriends, I'm like, no, the crazy man with the beard who lives in the woods, is that your guy? Is that your guy?

The sable guy who loves you. There's a lot of things on which a marriage can be built and she did love James Marsden a bit. It's a good place to start, but it's a movie that felt like a real movie. It was a movie, correct. So important to remember when discussing. But it's funny that this like keeps coming up. Yeah, and this is like a movie. It was a movie, correct. So important to remember when discussing. But it's funny that this keeps coming up.

Yeah, and this is like a movie trope that I find not annoying yet. Sometimes people will re-examine old movies. There was room on the door for Jack. And it's like, if I take that conversation one more time, I'm gonna blow my fucking brains out. No, it's so true. I feel like we are getting to a place though

of the counterculture of being like, Ellie should have done it up with Lon. Right, no, but right now the conversation doesn't bother me yet. However, overall, if people are saying that, that's like people advocating for making like sensible choices. Correct.

And I like that trend. I like, we're also reexamining Sharpe Evans' role as villain in High School Musical, and maybe she was unfairly painted as such. Gabriella was kind of a pick me annoying ass bitch. Yeah, but Sharpay was villainous. I've watched it back like through the lens of justice for Sharpay. She takes it too far a couple times.

Maybe in the first movie, like it was her theater club and like these cool kids came in, they pushed her out because honestly she just wasn't talented enough. So she should have picked a new hobby. But the second movie, she was like really lauding like her wealth over. And she was being like evil. And yeah, she was being like just like a wealthy prick. And that's villain.

Like she was being a true villain. She was being like classist. She was being classist. She was like, you're the staff and I'm the guest. Yeah, like seriously. Dude, that's your classmate. Classist. Yeah.

Yeah. And we have had this conversation many times re-examining the villain arc of one Gaston in Beauty and the Beast. Yeah. Now he definitely wasn't a perfect person, but that Belle, she wasn't either. She wasn't either.

She drove him to madness. I'll say that, okay? Yeah. Yeah, and I mean, who wouldn't wanna like, destroy Maurice? She doesn't either. She drove him to madness. I'll say that, okay? Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, who wouldn't want to like destroy Maurice at the end of the movie? No, I do. I want to destroy Maurice.

That's what he did. He like locked up Maurice so that he could kill the beast. Maurice was like kind of crazy. He was like the village crazy person. Yeah. No, when he locked up Maurice, I'm like finally. I was like, oh, you know what? Maybe you're not such a bad guy. Yeah, but he was he locked up, I was like, oh, you know, maybe you're not such a bad guy. Yeah, but he was wrong for wanting to kill the beast,

but he didn't know that the beast was a good man. Like he just saw there's a beast and he has this girl, like girl, are you trying to rescue the girl? Like, no, he was deeply misunderstood. And also like he was just looking at it. And yes, it wasn't what he, what it seemed that they were like falling in love and the Beast was actually a man. But I could see why he thought things were that way.

Yeah. So, just something to think about. No, it's important to reevaluate, Agile classics. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Is it our fifth and final story that's gonna lead into the TV recap? In a way, because it is some TV news. Two bits of news.

First of all, Nine Perfect Strangers is getting a season two. Okay, I saw people sharing the poster for Nine Perfect Strangers. I'm like, you guys, that show came out three years ago. Well, no, it's getting a season two, even though it was based on a book and the season one was so horrible. I actually, let me just tell you,

I did not read the book so that I could watch the show because I learned, and it's Leanne Moriarty. I love her books and I like would have read it, but I was like, oh, the show's coming out. I wanna like the show. I'm just gonna watch the show. Couldn't even finish the show. It was so bad.

Now it's getting a season two and the cast is like star studded. You wanna hear it? So is it like a White Lotus where people come to this retreat? I guess that's what they're trying to do. So none of the characters from season one besides Nicole Kidman.

Correct, because it's her retreat. She plays Masha and now there's a new crop of guests who are signing up for her transformative and disturbing retreat. Okay, so it's very wannabe White Lotus. Yeah, this is set in the snowy Austrian Alps. Nine Perfect Strangers Season Two will follow a group of people who have signed up for a multi-day wellness

retreat under the guidance of Russian guru, Nicole Kidman, who uses psychedelic therapy to heal her guests. So here is who's in it that you would know. Here's a person's face that I recognize, Murray Bartlett. Oh, he played season one, White Lotus, the concierge who spoiler alert, dies, who poops in the- With the mustache? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's in it, Annie Murphy from Schitt's Creek. Oh! Very exciting, Christine Barans Murphy from Schitt's Creek. Oh! Very exciting. Christine Baranski from Gilded Age. You know her. Who does she play? A guest, Victoria. In Gilded Age.

One of the bitchy aunties, not Cynthia Nixon, the other one. Oh, the older woman? Yeah. Queen. Queen. Dolly DeLeon, I'm not familiar. Macy Richardson Sellers, not familiar.

King Princess, not familiar. You don't know King Princess? No. She's like a singer. Oh, cool. Congrats, King. Henry Golding, Crazy Rich Asians. Handsome.

Mark Strong, Family Fucci. That's so weird that we were talking about him not yesterday and now he's booked a gig. True so weird that we were talking about him not yesterday and now he's True but we are always talking about him. So at some point. No we're not. No we are not Jackie. We're not.

We are not. Lena Olin. I don't know her. And that's all. This kind of seems like really losery like to just be replicating the White Lotus and it's like Nicole Kidman, it's Hulu, and they're even casting the guy from White Lotus. Like, this is really lame. Especially when the first season was unwatchable.

This is really loser-y. Like, I'm giving this a big L for loser. Righty-town for weenie. Like, actually, it's a contender for weenie of the week. That's how fucking loser-y it is. I agree. Let's dive into our TV recap. Thursdays are Summer House Days.

Last night was the episode of Summer House. That I've personally just like dive into our TV recap. Thursdays are summer house days. Last night was the episode of summer house that I've personally just like, had been waiting for. It was like part two of the shift. And it was another great episode for Lexi, another terrible episode for Jesse. There were like a couple of moments where I like, actually I got the ick from Jesse, right? Like watching him try to explain himself

when he said that he, you know, only said that thing to Sierra to make her feel better. Like that was just mean. And dumb, like I think he was, I don't know, I'd love to know in his heart of hearts why he said that thing to Sierra. Like, was it because that's how he felt and he got carried away in the conversation

and sometimes you just like say something in the moment that like feels good but then you like realize later like, oh, that would have been disrespectful to Lexi if she heard that, whatever. And for that to be his excuse, like I said it to make you feel better, was incredibly a stupid calculation. Cause he just-

And just rude. Cause we know it's not true and it makes him look like an idiot. Agreed. Another big low moment for Jesse was when he's the next morning in the bedroom with Wes being like, now I know how you felt, like two fucking losers. And he's like, just apologize.

Like he follows the West playbook and then says, now I know how you felt. Like that's because you did what he did. And they're both acting like they're being unfairly villainized when like, no, you both did that shit. Now Wes, like I'm over it, but you did do that shit to Sierra. It's true.

The only thing I'll say about Jesse is, and he's like totally a shit. There's, Lexi seems to be thinking that like he intentionally made her look crazy to the house and made like love bombed her. And that's just how it shook out. It wasn't this like strategy. I don't think it was a strategy.

I think that when he was with her, he just like is kind of different in a relationship and a lot more like lovey and attached than he lets on to his friends and then to his friends. Like he wants to act cool. And I think he was like saying things that were probably on his mind, but like he didn't have the foresight to be like,

if I say that they might think this of her and she's new to the house. And it makes her look bad. And it's funny because now I'm getting the sense that Lexi has felt estranged from the house. And it's true. Like I've gotten the sense that Lexi has felt estranged from the house. And it's true. I've gotten the sense that nobody really cares to get to know her.

And no one is mean to her by any means. And I can't imagine- But they're not overtly welcoming. No, and I can't imagine what things she noticed in the house. If someone walks into a room and everyone asks, how are you? And no one asks, how are you?

We don't even see stuff like that. But those things, so she has felt a little bit on an island I don't think Jesse did it intentionally. I genuinely mean either so stupid. I don't think he's careless I don't think he's a bad person. I think he's like a stupid immature careless person. Um, but that's just my thinking So I think her saying like you wanted me to be Alienated from the group and make them think I'm a psychopath like no, no, I think he just happened to do those things. Agreed. Also, I found this particular party

that they threw to be so interesting. Like it looked like maybe the only fun party they've ever thrown. I agree. With like a DJ and like they kicked people out like at one in the morning. 11. Whereas usually they kick people out.

It's not even dark yet. Like they throw the parties just to film. Usually they have day parties and this party started more towards the evening. And I think it was because of the snooze fest nature. Like they needed the lights and everything. It looked so fun. It did look really fun.

But I also think it looked really fun because half of the house that sometimes is checked out of the parties was into it, the girls. Also, did anybody catch Paige vaping? I did. No, I didn't. She saw the camera, turned her back and I'm like, oh, I know that hunch.

She's totally vaping. That's really funny. No, everyone was really into it and I think that's why it was even more fun. And the girls went all out with decor and it was really like, oh, I know that hunch. She's totally vaping. That's really funny. No, everyone was really into it. And I think that's why it was even more fun. And the girls went all out with decor and it was really like, it was a great theme. And it should be an annual party. Why does this feel so foreign?

Like this party being fun. I had the same thought. Like, was this most fun party of the summer? Would everyone say that? I felt like it. Yes. The conversation between Carl and Sierra was so unbelievably painful.

And kudos to Sierra. Cause there's really, I don't know, it's never happened to me, but like someone telling you they have a crush on you and like, you don't like them back. Like I imagine that's like a difficult, and you don't want to be rude, you don't want to crush them. And he was being like very sweet. I don't know what he expected to happen. And I thought her like throwing Lindsay in there.

Great answer. Oh, I didn't even think of it. I'm like, oh yeah. I guess also, even if Sierra did like Carl back, it would be weird to start dating Lindsay's ex-fiance when you are finally on a good page. But that was a great excuse. Agreed.

But I actually thought what Amanda said about Carl, he's getting from his friendship with Sierra exactly what he hopes to get from a relationship. Now I do think the person in a relationship with him wouldn't give him that unconditional support all the time because the stakes are higher for that person. Whereas it's nice to just like support your friend.

Yeah, go off with your bad idea. It doesn't affect me. So he's like, Sierra is the type of partner that I need. Right. She's not. I also feel like the Sierra and the Lexi of it all. And I saw clips of Sierra on Watch What Happens Live. Like she doesn't like Lexi, like 100%.

But like they haven't had any conflict. Lexi's actually been very girls girly and supportive by only being mad at Jesse for all of the things that he did when a lot of them had to do with Sierra. And she was kind of a willing participant in some of the flirting up until recently. I feel like there's such weirdness between them two. They're just sort of existing in one another's orbits.

They don't talk, but then on Watch What Happens Live, let's say Sierra hates Lexi. I started then on Watch What Happens Live last night, like Sierra hates Lexi, you know? I started to watch Watch What Happens Live last night as I've been trying to watch after different episodes because I feel like so much has happened since filming that we get like caught up. It's like, you kind of need it for relevant context. And I turned it off because it was so boring.

All that they talked about was Jessie and Lexi with Sierra. Like they even did a game that was like, they did a game all about Carl. That was the other game that they started to play. It was like all about, there was nothing really for her to talk about other than Jessie and Lexi. Or at least like there's nothing else

that like Andy really discussed at Lanes. And so I turned up, cause as much as like Jessie and Lexi are the main storyline, there's not that much to say. Especially if you're not talking to Jesse or Lexi themselves. Yeah, but there's just not that much to say about it. We're seeing it all happen. The conversation.

It's a five week relationship. It's not like scanned of all. They leave us on like a cliffhanger. I really hope these two don't reconcile. Like I was getting the vibe at first from this combo that like Lexi was open to reconciliation. Like Jesse's there to reconcile. And I hope she two don't reconcile. Like I was getting the vibe at first from this convo that like Lexi was open to reconciliation. Like Jessie's there to reconcile. And I hope she doesn't.

I don't think she will. I don't think she liked him as much as we thought that she did. I thought she was head over heels, like jumping all the way in, ten toes down. But then she says like, the reason we're not exclusive is because there's big red flags about you. I think she had concerns about him

and then now hearing all of this, it's like, well, my concerns were valid. Good day, sir. Yeah. It's almost like everything we've seen up until this point was like Jessie's POV. It's like in a book when they change perspectives. Yeah.

No, that's exactly what happened. You can feel the shift. Like I was even looking on Twitter, like they've gotten shit all season. Nobody wants to watch them. Nobody likes them. They don't like, even though they're so cute like what what was no I've enjoyed every minute And now they're like Lexi's the first one to stand up to a toxic Bravo man

It's true true because someone else would have just like had the conversation over and kept on going with this Thousand percent know the fact that she got so mad like in case I'm out of the room love We did talk about the conversation at the very end with Kyle and Amanda, I was like, I did, I don't think that was the craziest conversation ever, like- I thought it was the craziest conversation ever. Like to just have in the middle of the day, like- You know, like, and clearly for the first time

with your husband, like I understand you share things on a reality show, but like some things like family building or like private, and then like, you want to share it, but like, it seemed like Kyle for the very first time was hearing that Amanda might not want to have kids. Now, of course, this is something you ideally would figure out before you get married, because you should be on the same page with your partner,

but everyone's allowed to change their minds. And, and she said she changed her mind a year ago. Her mind, not, she hasn't changed her mind. Some days it's a yes, some days it's a no, some days it's a maybe. And so she's been like parsing out those's a no, some days it's a maybe. And so she's been like parsing out those feelings, but she's definitely like in a maybe category right now.

But it is something you figure out with your partner before you get married, because that's like a deal breaker in a relationship when one person wants kids and another person doesn't. Like there's no, there's no compromise. There's no compromise. And I don't think that there should be. Agreed.

Putting myself in Kyle's shoes for a second to like marry someone who like, we're having kids, like, yeah, of course. And then like be married and then hear that like, maybe we're not. And like for a man to have, like you really don't have control over that. Like it's completely up to the woman.

What a shocking thing to hear for him. And for his reaction to be on camera, I thought he handled it pretty well considering that's like earth shattering for someone when he's literally just talking to Schwartz about how much he wants to be a dad. Yeah, I do feel like the fact that Amanda's been having these feelings for a year and hasn't felt comfortable

once opening up to her husband about them might be a testament to him being a bad husband. He's not someone you can talk to. I don't know how to diagnose this issue, but I don't know if they're just having this conversation because it's kind of a typical reality TV couple conversation. She had to be like Melissa Gorga going-

That was like Armageddon. No, I know, if it's real, that's what I'm saying. It's almost like a trope now with reality TV. It's like a storyline. Yes, but not between husband and wife. No, remember when Melissa Gorga was thinking like with reality TV, it's like a storyline. And- Yes, but not between husband and wife. No, like remember when Melissa Gorga was like thinking of making an embryo, like-

About more kids, no. It's just sometimes like what you do. So I'm saying if this is actually what's going on in their relationship, it's extremely concerning. I agree, I don't think, I mean, hopefully it's just was for the show, even though I don't think that it was,

but like, no, we've not seen a conversation like this stark where it's a husband and wife and it's about yes kids or no kids. Melissa, about wanting to have a fourth child. Like couples argue about- Yeah, of course, it's just lower stakes, lower stakes. That's class, that's marriage. This was like really surprising,

but I also think for Amanda, and maybe Kyle isn't the sort of partner that you can talk to about this, maybe you're right about that, but I think that like, it's such a big decision. If you're just thinking about it, you don't vocalize that at first, you know? You don't-

Even though like, you can vocalize it with a husband, like if it's like a real good- If you're having doubts, but not like, I don't know, definitely before a year, but not the first time you think it. Not the first time being on camera. Maybe the 100th time?

Eh, I don't know. It depends on like what type of relationship you have. And so the fact that it took her a year to sort of muster up the confidence, I think just speaks to their relationship. Well, yes. It was crazy. Usually I'm like tune out those conversations.

It's like they're married, like whatever. These conversations are fake for TV. Yeah, like even when like Tom and Katie were like going, but they never said they were trying. Like his Tom, also Tom Schwartz being on Summer House, I actually like enjoyed. Yeah, me too. Shipping Tom and Lexi at the moment.

100%. But he said to Kyle that they never really started trying, trying. No, but they went to those appointments just to sort of get their ducks in order. Yeah, but I thought that they had been trying for a while. I don't know why I thought that. I thought that they had to.

It was made to seem that way because all the other girls were getting pregnant and I guess maybe we just assumed, but I remember them saying that like. I remember, no, I felt like she was upset about it. I feel like they were trying. I don't remember exactly what he said on Summer House, but I feel like saying that like. I remember, no, I felt like she was upset about it. I feel like they were trying. I don't remember exactly what he said on Summer House, but I feel like they were trying. On Summer House, he said that they were not trying.

I feel like he doesn't remember correctly. When he went to say bye to Paige and Sierra and was like, enjoy this while you have it. And he was talking about like the show, right? But he was like, you're friends. But he meant like, I was, you know, a part of something great once too. I actually thought that was great advice.

Really sad because also I'm sure for the last 10 years, all Summerhouse wanted was to be like Vanderpump Rules, to have success and now there's no Vanderpump Rules and there is Summerhouse. And they are like, they are a part of like cultural side, guys beyond Bravo, which is what Vanderpump Rules became. Yeah, no, and it's still not like as big as Vanderpump Rules was in its heyday, but like they're still doing it.

And they are like one of the bigger shows on Bravo. Yeah. That was, made me a little depressed. Yeah. Like shorts, like not wanting to go home. Like, yeah. Can he, he should move. He had to pick up his dogs. From his slick custody, right?

It was a great episode they also just filmed the reunion so next week doesn't look so good I don't know why I just thought that there was like three commerce They are all go to the beach and then they have conversations on the beach That's it. And Sierra like reads Jesse to filth which that does look interesting Yeah Yeah And Sierra like reads Jessie to Filth, which that does look interesting. Yeah, yeah. That's our show you guys. Thank you so much for listening to The Toast,

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