The Toast - The Toast Files with Natalie Joy Viall: Tuesday, June 24th, 2025

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It's Jackson Claude and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show. The Fast Five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast. They sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast. Happy Tuesday.

I am in studio today with a first time Toast guest or co-host. It is Natalie Joy Vial. Welcome to The Toast. Hello, thank you for having me. So excited. I'm so excited that you're here. You are one of the few people on this earth

who podcasts as much as Claudia and I and watch actually more TV than Claudia and I. It's exhausting. It's exhausting, but like we brought in the expert. Yes. You know, for the stories, for the shows, like for a time such as this, Love Island taking over, like Natalie is here to break it all down with us.

And we've never met before. And I'm so excited to meet you. I know. I feel like I met Claudia once at the Gypsy Rose event in New York. And I think I was very largely pregnant. And yes, good times. And then me and her like started DMing and then randomly like I think you and I

followed each other and then you responded to me posting a picture of the boyfriend by Frida McVadden. You were like, put it down right now. And I was like, okay, thank you. No, that like my conspiracy theory is like, she didn't write that one. Like it's not a Frida Rita. It's so bad when like she crushes.

And then I, so people pick up the boyfriend because it's like her next book and it has the title and the pictures and everything. And it's like written by someone else. It's awful. It's so bad. No, I started following you after your wedding. I thought that your wedding was so beautiful,

and it was, and it was just like, everything about it seemed so meaningful, and I just was, I had like, I followed Nick. Nick is like a long time FOT, friend of Toast. Yes. Started out as foe of Toast. No. Has he told you that?

He was like, I think they hated me, and I was like, think? He was like, no, they hated me for a really long time. When we started our show, that was like, think? It was like, no, they hated me for a really long time. When we started our show, that was when he was in his villain era. And I guess we weren't as critically thinking as we are now. We were just like, Nick, I was the worst.

And the way that he took it was such a champ. Tariq almost just did a similar thing where he laughed at everything that we were saying, oh, those girls hate me, ha ha ha. And it just really neutralizes us. And we're like, you've heard what we said. And you're not talking shit back to us. Wait, are you nice?

You're not bothered? Interesting. Like maybe you're a nice person. So then we had him on the show and it was, he was a doll as I'm sure you've experienced as him being your husband. Right, right. And we've been like good industry friends ever since. I came across a video of Claudia on Nick's show. It was someone trying

to clown my man, which I will not stand for in any aspect, but it was the funniest video I've ever seen in my life. Claudia was clowning on your man? No, no, no. Some stranger posted a clip of Claudia on Nick's podcast. It was like during COVID. Okay. So it was like Patreon or something. I don't know what it was, but Nick was like, I'm just really grateful for like our friendship. And she was like, your friendship means the world to me. I haven't slept since like, she just went on this tangent about like,

how much Nick means to her. Claudia did? Yes. COVID things. Right. Like very sarcastic, very sarcastic. Oh my God, wait, I don't know any of this. Nick responds being like,

oh my God, that means so much to me. Like, I feel the same way. Wait, I literally don't. Claudia's not even so sarcastic. I feel like maybe she was being earnest. You think? We have a lot of love for Nick. Oh, OK.

Like, I don't know. Maybe. I have to watch it. I have to watch it. This is news to me. The person who posted it was like the fact that Nick couldn't tell that she was being sarcastic. And then I watched it and I was like, she's being sarcastic. And then I watched it and I was like, she's being sarcastic.

And then I reminded Nick and he was like, it was COVID, everyone thought we were losing everybody. I was grateful. Great, like we were all feeling like mushy and like mentally ill. Literally. I'm like, sorry, I was grateful for a friend. I was a low time.

Sorry. That's really funny. So now it's so full circle that you're here and like you have, so I want to hear how you and Nick met, but you have like completely like become a part of the vile files like your queen of the vile files You guys do a show every day right every weekday. Yes. Yes, Monday, Wednesday, Friday No, I don't know No, he does ask Nick Monday we do do Reality Recap Tuesday, Going Deeper Wednesday,

Reality Recap Thursday, and then Friday is like Patreon. Oh, love Patreon. Yes, love Patreon. Patreon strong. Yes, Patreon strong. And you guys are the go-to stop for reality TV stars. Whether you like it or not, for sure. I like it.

I feel like it's like perfect. I don't know if, I feel like he sort of fell into this role by accident and then like everyone was like, well, this is great. It definitely works for him because he's like been on, I feel like it would be so much weirder if he was like this 44 year old man, like has knows nothing about reality TV

and is just like talking about all these young people on TV. But like he was on so many seasons of Bachelor. He did Special Forces, like he knows how the production side works, can talk about all of it, so I do think he's really good at it. I think so too, and he's gotten both edits. So like when you guys do have a villain on,

I feel like he is gracious, gives grace, and hears people out, which is always interesting, because people are more than just like the one dimensional character you see on TV. Right, and we usually will like, still, we have like a different, like, did you watch, you watched Valley? Yeah.

Janet, like, hate Janet. Do you? Hate, met her in person, we recorded with her, lovely in person, so lovely. I was gonna ask you about this, because we go through this from time to time, but we don't have nearly as many guests as you do.

It's like, saying your actual thoughts when you're recapping a show, like obviously you're feeling someone more than another person, you have to put some people down, but that's part of the job, but then you meet them or you see them out or they come on your show and it's like,

how do you have interesting takes while not offending people to the point that they don't wanna come on your show? It is hard. We do have a lot of people who like will be like, you've talked so much shit about me, like absolutely not. But then we have some people who are like- But do you also feel weird having someone,

even if they said, well, come on, do you feel weird like talking to someone who you've talked so much? Like there are people that I know we could never have on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like I'm like, by the way, I did call you like a thirsty piece of shit. So, but like stand by it.

It was that one episode, it was the edit. Yeah, yeah. I think we preface everything by being like, we are talking about a character on a TV. We realize there's an edit. Like we don't know this person. Maybe one day we'll meet them and we'll have a different opinion. But like right now, this is what we think of what we're seeing on 45 minutes. So when you met Janet and she was lovely, did it change your opinion of her on the show? No, because she still acted awful. And so we were just like, Janet, we know you can be great. Why are you being this? So the way I feel about Janet is like,

they're trying to make me hate Janet, and it's just not landing. However, yeah, they're like, Janet's so manipulative. And the thing about Janet is that she's a little more cooth than Kristin Doty, who is so transparent. She's like, well, you said this, so I'm going to say that. And Janet hides it better. So if she is very manipulative,

she's just doing a good job of concealing it. So I'm like, I don't think she's being that way. But now she's going up against me and Dani, who are the P-joms of the Valley. And I just will never see a war. And for sure, they put a nice glossy sheen over everything. And I'm sure they have their issues. It would be weird if they didn't,

but I'm not gonna knock her for not wanting to air her dirty laundry on television. 100%, maybe they're not built for reality TV. And that's a compliment. But I feel like for every Jackson-Britney who will literally give us information we don't wanna know. I literally know the dollars and cent amount of their mortgage payments.

No, it's awful. I need a Nia and Dani who are like, listen, this is a good gig for us as long as you'll have us, but like we're not gonna ruin our relationship and our family for a television show. No, I respect it. I think that's how like most people would feel.

Yeah, and I feel like Janet just pokes at that because she's never opened up the door to her. Yeah. Like, and I asked her about that. She was like, no, we argued about when someone came over and I was cooking for everyone. I'm like, girl, that is not the same. So I fear for my feelings towards Janet

now that she's come for me and yeah. Yeah. And Jason. And Jason, who's Jason? Jason is her husband. Mr. Janet. Mr. Weenie of the year. Names on this show are so, we have Jack, Jesse and Jason. Jason and Jesse, I'm always calling them the wrong name.

And then I was watching, I got caught up this weekend, they start talking about Jared. Who? They started talking about someone named Jared. There was like a fight offline about Jared. I'm like, okay. Someone has to change their name. I don't know who Jared is.

No, I don't know who Jared is. And I don't wanna know who Jared is. Have you seen the video of Aaron, Michelle's boyfriend, throwing the ball? No. Oh my God, it's the worst video I've ever seen in my entire life. Why? I have to show it to you.

Like he's just throwing it? He's in the backyard. It was like, I think the most recent episode. Yeah, okay. And they're like having a conversation in the backyard. And he's- Yeah, when she's talking about how like Isabella loves his house.

Yes. Okay. And she wants to move in. Erin the Valley Throwing Ball. I feel like maybe I did see this on- They're like, it was the cringiest. Okay, so he threw the ball. I'm not on TikTok, so like, I don't see like- Why did he throw it like that?'t see like. Why did he throw it like that?

I'm sorry. Why did he throw your his backyard is like a four by four. No, he's like slugging it. No, he's like this is like the down on Derby. What is he doing? Really funny. Oh my God. People can't breathe. No, that's hysterical. So we have a lot to talk about today, reality TV wise. But how do you like structure your life

so that you can watch all this television and also like just be a present in the world and a mother and a wife and a friend? I lack in a lot of other areas for sure. We crush it all like weekends, we're able to luckily like get screeners for something. So we're not like trying to do it at night before.

But you don't get screeners for Love Island, do you? No. Okay. No. So that. We just started getting screeners for Bravo shows. Yeah. Which has really helped for like being able to do this job and like keep up with recaps. I do like that Love Island is late

because it allows me to like do the bedtime routine, get her asleep. Yeah. And then like, okay, now it's 10 o'clock at night. We can sit down and watch the violin. Yeah, yeah. So we both watched last night's episode, which wasn't like so crazy, because I'm more started. So like, we'll recap that at the end.

And then what else is going on with you? I feel like you and Nick are just like the darlings of TV. He's doing the salt, like why do I always, sex lives Mormon wives reunion. Yes, the sex lives Mormon wives reunion. Secret lives of Mormon wives. Did you go to that? I did not I did not but he yeah He's hosting the reunion and I think it's gonna be insane July 1st is when it comes out

He's like we've built friendships with a lot of these women and so that I saw the go-to stop for the Mormon wives We love our Mormon wives. Yeah, they're really great They give and I think it's honestly because they are so Mormon that they're like, we have to tell you the truth. Like, I can't lie to you. So they're like, you're ugly. You know? I can't lie.

It's against my religion. No, it's so true. That show has been such a breath of fresh air. Cause do you ever feel like fatigued by reality TV? Like it's formulaic and every what, like some of the shows have gotten to a place that are like not good, and then you're still expected to watch it,

even though if you were just a passive consumer, you would have turned it off. Right, right. I mean, especially The Valley. The Valley is so dark, and it's like really hard for me to keep watching, but I'm like, I just push through. And then we've started Next Gen.

You did, wow. You've taken that on. Yeah, unfortunately. How's that going? Not good. Not good at all. We watched them 2.2, 2.0 speed. Oh my God, that's another hack.

It's like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's really funny. And so what will you do if like, it's not worth your time? Like, do you feel like you could stop watching a show or you feel like you have to? Yes, we stopped watching New York, for Housewives of New York, because we were like, this is awful.

This is so bad, I don't know what's happening. We stopped after the pregnancy prank of last season. We stopped that. I think we're probably on our road to stopping Next Gen. We barely talk about it, because it's just nothing, these people. But no, I mean, these people. Yeah. But no, I mean like. No, when Love Island's beginning like.

No, Love Island is taking over, truly. It really is, in a positive and negative way. You had Bella on. Yes, Beldasha. Beldasha, have you had anyone else from? We had Charlie and Jaylen. Charlie, Jaylen. Oh my gosh, like my heart is just goes out to Charlie,

but then Jaylen came along. So I had to the surprise and like I forgot about how much I miss and love Charlie. How was Charlie? Oh my god, he's such a doll and he like, have you seen Peaky Blinders? No. Oh my god, he's from like Birmingham where that's like where Peaky Blinders, so he has this accent of all of these hot Peaky Blinders. It's Killian Murphy. Is that his last name? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yes. He's in it. I mean, he's so sweet. He deserves better. He did. And he was like, I fast forward through all of Hannah's parts. Do you think he's waiting? Like, do you think that now that she's home, they're gonna get together really?

How could they? Like, we all saw the spit start. I know. And he was saying how his ex lived in the States and he was like, it didn't work. And I was like, well. Charlie deserves better. He deserves so much better, honestly.

He should be our next bachelor. Oh, he should be. I wish there was like more crossover. And that's something, a theme that's coming up in a lot of like shows that I'm doing this month because I'm talking to like a lot of reality TV people who are like, they're great reality TV stars. We need them back on our screens.

Instead of putting on these untested people, always recasting new randos, like, let's go into the archives. Yeah. They know what they're doing. They'll give us reality TV. Next-gen, they're not giving us anything because they're just like kid. They're just like netbo babies. They don't know how to actually start drama.

They're starting drama because a girl didn't wash her hands. And it's like three episodes actually, talking about the girl doesn't wash her hand. Oh, that's like really embarrassing for her. Even like summer house, like both Tyler C was here and Juliet Porter and they both said that they wanna do summer house. Like put them on.

That would be really good. Right? Really good. I think obviously Paige is gone. I think Sierra should also go. I think Sierra should also go. I think Amanda should also go. And I think Lindsay is sweet popping in back and forth. Yeah, like as a mentor to the house.

I don't see Sierra like making out with a housemate and like hooking up in her bed. I don't see it. And that's what I wanna see. Yeah. No, I agree, which is why it was shocking that Lexi didn't come back. What do you know about that?

Do you think she chose to not come back or Bravo chose? I think it was, I think they probably had a meeting and she was like, so, and they were like, so, and she was like, all right, it's a, you know, mutual. I don't think she was ever gonna be back in that house with Jessie ever again. I think they hate each other. But that's good television.

I know. But she came on the toast at the end of May and she seemed down for season two. Like she had like, you know, she was ready and like prepared and like healed and like, maybe I misread the situation. Do you think they chose Jessie over Lexi? I think so, but I don't know why they wouldn't choose them both. Like that's interesting TV.

It's like Jersey Shore, you know, where people make up and break up. It's like West and Sierra last season, and he still came back. Except that didn't get good because she refused to engage with him, which is not really gonna work on our television. You do live in the same house.

I do feel like Lexi would have met someone, gone out, you know what I mean? We could have developed from there. I do also think maybe she's just dating so up that she's like, I don't need the locals of Montauk. Yeah. Oh, because yeah, with all her exes. I mean, yeah.

She's on the road upwards. I understand, but I don't know, I think it was good for her. That one really surprises me. I can't wrap my head around it because I feel like they let her go. Yeah, I do feel like they need a full reboot. And just re-

I mean, that's like everything. But do you trust them to do it? Look at Rony. No, I don't, honestly. There hasn't been a very successful reboot. No. Except for OC was going, like it was sort of like on its way out.

And then they like brought back, they went into the archives. That's what I'm saying. They brought back way out and then they like brought back, they went into the archives. That's what I'm saying. They brought back Tamra and then they brought back what's her name who's back this season. Gretchen. I don't know. But it sounds good.

Oh, Gretchen, good times. I don't know. Good times. Do you watch all the Housewives? I watch Miami. The majority of them. We started Miami, apparently. It's good.

Apparently. I think we're like two episodes in maybe. And do you, if you ever like miss a season, do you feel like you have to get all the way caught up or do you just like jump in? No, we'll probably just jump in. That's good. If it's like, I mean, unless it's like really talked about

like Love Island last season, we weren't talking about it and then it was everywhere. And so we binged 50 episodes, you know, over a week. No, that was good. We didn't do it. And it was the wrong call. Did you watch it? You just didn't talk about it?

You didn't watch it? Oh, no. If I watch something, I have to talk about it. Like, that's like my favorite part of having a podcast. Like when we were off for a week in May and I was watching TV because I had a procedure, and I was like, oh my God, I have nowhere to say. Like I'm bursting.

I'm bursting. Like I'm seriously bursting. And like, if even with like Love Island all the frustration I'm feeling right now, like if I didn't have a vessel to channel it into, like I don't know how, I don't know how lay people do it. I really don't. I think they just post TikToks. Yeah, that's true.

That's kind of what everyone's doing. It's not as fun. No, this is nice. I need to like talk through all my feelings and I have the perfect person here to do that. So we're gonna get into the stories and then we'll circle back to some TV. And yeah, you're gonna help me break down the Fast Five.

Let's break them down. So without further ado, da, do, da, do, it is time for the Fast Five stories that you da do need to know. Today's episode of The Toast is brought to you by Wayfair. My home is brought to you by Wayfair. My outdoor living is brought to you by Wayfair. My home is brought to you by Wayfair, my outdoor living is brought to you by Wayfair as is most of my furniture. So as the days start to get warmer

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I feel like of all the things that she has to go to for Travis, like this is not the worst one. Cause it's like all the tight ends and it's like George, Travis and another tight end, sorry to this man. I don't Greg Olsen. They host this like, and this like moment for tight ends to come together in Nashville where she's like, she at least she could, they can say her house. And you know, it's like very like NFL glamorous. Like I don't feel like it's like the boring parts of the NFL.

They went to Jason Aldean's bar last night. Which is kind of surprising. They're hitting Broadway. They hit Broadway. Wait, that's so interesting. Right? I wish I need to see a video of them walking down Broadway. And like, how was that, you know, like how? They were probably just like cab to curb.

Yeah. And maybe TEU's event last night was at Jason Aldean's bar. Yeah, you think? I think, I don't think Taylor walked into Jason Aldean's bar. Yeah, you think? I think, I don't think Taylor walked into Jason Aldean's bar, like, just because she's like, this is the spot. To like see the local singing up on stage. Singing Taylor Swift. So I think it was, I'm just piecing together

that it was hosted there. She's like taking pictures with Claire Kittle and like some of the other wags, I think, yeah. And like being a part of the community. And I think as far as community events go, like this isn't a bad one. No, no, no, this isn't a bad one. I thought they were like on the field,

like running drills. So it doesn't seem like that's the case. Oh, well maybe Men will be doing that today. But she's going to like the after parties. Right, right, right. She is doing the glamour stuff. Do you feel like her and and the wags get along? I think so.

I feel like she really makes an effort to get along with everyone she crosses paths with, especially if they're important to her man and his job and his life. I feel like she leads with kindness. What did you think of the photo of his back? Of the hair? That was surfacing, yeah.

Like, I just, it was very human, you know? Human or? It felt a little animal-like to me. Like it's a human moment, you know? So like, and I don't need a man, like a big man like that to like, I don't know, shave his back. No, I definitely don't need him waxed. So there you go.

It's an imperfect hairy back. Yeah, yeah. I find that so interesting that she went from Jo to this big hairy imperfect back. Imperfect back, yeah. Yeah, and I- There's no way Jo had any strands of hair on his back. No, no, maybe like a peach fuzz.

Maybe a peach fuzz and it was blonde. Yeah, for sure. So I wonder like now if she ever misses those days. I don't think so. I don't think so. She probably like. I think she likes a manly man now. Moisturizes and brushes it out.

Yeah, you think they're the types like pop each other's pimples? Oh, 100%. Are you guys the type to do that? I mean, Nick is like, oh, can I get that? And I'm like, you haven't washed your hands in days. I don't want you to go near me. Oh my God, no.

Claudia and Ben are like that, all up in there, popping each other's pimples. Yeah, that's their favorite thing. That's awful. If my husband ever came at me like this, I would break his thumb. I'm so scared of that. You're going to make it infected.

Yeah, for sure. I don't even like pop my own pimples. Like the best way to heal them is just to like ride them out. You let them sit. You put a pimple patch on it and you let them sit. Right. Like I'm not a pimple popper, let alone someone else's. Are you people crazy?

Especially someone else who hasn't washed their hands. Yeah. No, Travis Kelce definitely like wants to pop pimples. For sure. I feel like Taylor might be a little quirky like that too. Yeah, I feel like and it wouldn't work if they weren't on the same page about that. Like I don't think they're the type that fart around each other, but I do think they are like picky. I think he's the type that's like blames it on like the cat? He loves the cat, always has one on his lap. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like, you can put the cat down.

She's like, no, I ate dairy today, I want to hold her. She's like, I think the cat is sick. We need to take the cat to the vet immediately. She hasn't stopped shitting. I don't feel like he can hold in his parts. I feel like he lets them rip. He's proud of them. That's my nightmare.

For sure. That's my nightmare of a man. For sure proud of them. Did you hear that one? No, I would rather go myself. Honestly, that's awful. But I don't think she's... Like, no, she's not like...

She's classy. There's a movie where the guy farts or someone farts, and then the girl farts even bigger. And that's like... Yeah where like the guy farts or someone farts and then like the girl farts like even bigger No, no She would never know she would absolutely never do you know? No, no never yeah it's not even like a level of like Closeness that we need to achieve like we're just not also sometimes you don't even need to be that close right you know And it like my husband's not as precious about it as I am,

but I am very precious about it. Right, and I am as well. Like I would absolutely never. Yeah. And Nick is like, and I'm so grateful for the way that he handles himself. It's always like, what? Yeah.

Uh-oh, River. You know, like he'll like go out to the backyard and like shut the door behind him. Oh, that's nice. He's really polite with it, honestly. It's so sweet and romantic. That's really nice. I meant to ask you, do you, you know Kelly Clarkson's daughter is River Rose as well?

I found that out. I had 100 people DM me that after I helped. Sure. Did people buy you the book? No. She wrote a children's book, and it's called River Rose and the Magical Lullaby, and it's a great book. No.

Oh my god, I can't believe no one bought that for you. I was like thinking I would get you one But like I figure you really should have a hobby. No one thought of me. No one are discussing Literally no one wants out of me My sister did create you know how you can like make a book with like the name of it my sister did do that with when I like find out with like her um ultrasound her 3d ultrasound photo in the front. So it's honestly a little scary. I opened it and it was like. We need to go into a re-print.

We need an update, yeah. I made one of those for Bruno. Like Bruno's wondrous adventures. Actually really cute and it's a really good gift for like someone who has a baby and a dog. But I think the company closed down because I tried to make one for Claudia I think. Romeo's wondrous adventures and they were out of business.

But have you read the River Roses Wonderland? We read it all the time. It's like a, it's a good, it's like certified good. You know, it's not like a piece of garbage book, like I'm sure you read so many. So many books. There's so many. Some books are like a joy to read.

They've got rhythm, they've got rhyme. And River will turn the page for me, and sometimes she skips a couple pages, and I am like, thank God. Elizabeth is over with. When Lauren Elizabeth was on the show, she stayed at my house and she was like reading to my kids and they just have these like long like superhero books that are like, she was like, first word of every page. No, I can't. First word of every page. Yeah, when they're too long, I can't. We read the first sentence and flip. Yeah, no, but River Rose is a good one. Hunter, I'll send you a copy. Thank you. Our next story is a bit of a wonderful update for women because the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders

are breaking down their 400% salary increase. So DCC season two just dropped on Netflix. Season one was amazing, but it really shone a spotlight on the fact that the girls are underpaid. Like they, it's a part-time job. So they also have other jobs, but like the amount of work that goes into being a director on the fact that the girls are underpaid. Like they, it's a part-time job. So they also have other jobs,

but like the amount of work that goes into being a DCC and like the, especially when you think about like what the men are getting paid to play football. Right. It was just obviously like- The sexist. The sexist, not fair. And now they're making it right.

And I feel like they always made the argument, you know, like it's an amazing platform and like it's a networking thing made the argument, you know, like it's an amazing platform and like it's a networking thing and like, you know, you get all these other purse from being DCC and it's not even about the money, which is also true. But like now they also have a Netflix show and like now the DCC brand is even bigger. And it's like, okay, it's time to pay the girls.

They remind me so much of bring it on where it's like the cheerleaders are like winning everything and the football team sucks. Hey, you just lost. But my husband is a Cowboys fan, so we're a Cowboys family. And so I'm a DCC, like I'm obsessed with DCC. No, you're so excited. They've given me like so much to look forward to over the years,

like when we go to games and stuff, like I just love watching them. So then have them having their show on Netflix is just like even more exciting. Your husband wants to show with you or is he like not into the cheerleaders? He didn't watch, I actually, we watched it last summer. I was with Claudia, so like we watched it like girly time, but I think he would like the show, even though it's very girly. Yeah, but it's his culture.

I think he loves the fact that like they're bringing me in more cause he wants me to be a bigger Cowboys fan, but I just like can't stop clowning on them cause like they need to start winning. No, they suck. Like why are they so, and he's like can't stop clowning on them because they need to start winning. No, they suck. They like, why are they so bad? And he's like, they're America's team. Like they're the richest team in the league. Like I'm like, then why can't they play better? Yeah, right. If you,

if they have all of America behind them, you would think they would play better. And they're worth like the most amount of money because like their brand, their branding is insane. Yeah, that's crazy. Okay. So how much are the Dallas Cowboys getting paid? So they were initially making like $15 hourly, which now long time team members will be making up to $75 per hour. They're making minimum wage? Yeah, no, like I think last season with some of the girls, you make different based on how many years you're in the league, but like they were making like $20,000 a season. So like they were also like nurses and teachers and like working like, and they were, and they have to wake up so early and have to train

and they were just like doing so much. And it's just not fair. So it's an up to 400% increase, but it will depend like what games you're in and how many appearances you do and how many hours and how many years. So have they all quit their nursing jobs and they're teaching jobs now that they've got a pay raise?

I feel like, hopefully no, because it's like a short moment in time. Like probably most people max are on the team for four years and then you go back to work full-time. So it's like amazing if you can like maximize that time while also like keeping your career on track. It's honestly, that's kind of fucked up that men can play football for so long

and then just like get traded when they're done. Like why can't the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders get traded to like another cheering team? I think when like some of them, if you don't make the team after a certain amount of time and you still want to dance, like you could go to another team, but this is like they have the highest

like standards for cheerleaders. You don't want to go down. But then also it's just like, you know, the plight of being a woman, like if you plan on being a mom, like down. But then also it's just like, you know, the plight of being a woman, like if you plan on being a mom, like if you wanna have a baby, like those kicks aren't going so high anymore.

Those kicks are not going high anymore. When was the last time you kicked? Oh, when was the last time I kicked? I genuinely can't remember. You can't remember. No, and I don't think I should be kicking. I would be so scared to kick. Yeah.

I would be very nervous to kick. Yeah. I would be very nervous to kick. Yeah. I would hurt something if I kicked. Yeah. It hurts even thinking about it. It is hurting me to think about it. Like my outer carriage. Yeah.

So I'm happy for the girls. And also from this show, a lot of them became influencers. And then I'm sure from this season, we'll get new breakout stars, influencers, money, et cetera, which they deserve it all. I need more people to wanna buy things from. Oh, you do? Yeah, the ones that I'm losing interest.

The ones that you follow? Yeah, I'm just like, you're not giving me really what I want anymore, you know? Can you describe the type of person you're talking about? Like the OGs? I think it's just, maybe the OGs who maybe have lost sight of OGness and maybe they, you know, and hopefully I'm, I don't turn to this person, but the person who's like

linking all of like the dupes and the like, you know, like Amazon lookalikes and then they're like, oh, here's my outfit, Gucci, Gucci, Gucci, Gucci, Gucci Prada and you're like, well, that's crazy. Like, now like where, where do I get that? That's not $700 sweater. But then they'll give you the dupe. They don't they don't they don't know They were like strictly shopping Amazon and then they made so much money that now they're like

Only wear designer and now they only post and link their designer and it's like well, you've lost me Yeah, you know they need to like do the mid Thing a little bit. Yeah, you need to like be a little bit more relatable interesting I guess that's like just part of the life cycle of an influencer like you start out mid thing a little bit. Yeah, you need to be a little bit more relatable. Interesting. I guess that's just part of the life cycle of an influencer. You start out small, and then you make money, and you get bigger, and so you buy more expensive things, and you sort of lose the people

that were so attracted to you in the first place. You lose that relatability. You lose it so fast. Which is why influencers who never claim to be relatable kind of crush it. Honestly, truly. They're like, I actually don't wanna be like you. I never said that. who never claimed to be relatable kind of crush it. Honestly, truly. They're like, I actually don't want to be like you. I never said that.

I never said that. Go smelly. They really do have a lot of longevity because nothing has changed. You do, truly. It's like, no, you've always been this way. Oh, no, perfect. I feel like so many of the people I follow, I feel like the people that I follow, it takes a lot for me to follow a new person these days.

And so like when I do, I'm like, I remember where I was. You're welcome. Yes, no, I love that. Thank you. I feel like I follow like a lot of like the bachelor OGs, which makes me wonder, did you watch the bachelor seasons that your husband was on? No, I did not.

I did not watch the bachelor at all. I watched, so I think I started with Hannah Brown because she was from Alabama. Yeah. And I'm from Alabama. Yeah. And I'm from Alabama. And so I was like, oh my God, this is, who came first, Hannah Brown or Pilot Pete? Hannah Brown.

She came, Hannah was from Colton. Okay. Am I making that up? No, I think that's right. Hannah was from Colton and then Pete was from Hannah. Okay, yeah. So I don't think I watched Hannah's, but I like followed Hannah on Instagram

and I was like keeping up with what she was doing. And then Maddie Pruitt, we like went to high school together, like knew each other growing up. And so I watched her on pilot Pete season, but I'd never watched any of Nick's. And I'm so excited for the day that River is like, dad, what is this? And she wants to start watching him on television.

And he has to show them her. His Bachelor season was really good. He had the girls from his season, I feel like are the girls I associate with the Bachelor, but also because they are my age. I feel like, are you the same age as Hannah Brown? It's funny, you wind up watching in your bracket. Like I'm with the 1992 girls, you know?

Like Raven, she's an egg. Yes, yes. Amanda Stanton. Yes. Those are my OGs. Yes. But I feel like you're part of the newer wave, like Victoria Fuller is your friend.

Yes, she is my friend. We love her here. We love you. Yes, oh my God. We think she's the most beautiful person. She is the most beautiful person. I always say, I think she looks like Claudia. She does.

And I just like, she always has an interesting boyfriend. I just like, I want the world for Claudia. And I just like, she always has like an interesting boyfriend. I just like, I want the world for her. I think she's gonna get it. I know. I really want her with like, I want her with a Travis Kelsey, you know?

Like I see that for her. But it didn't work out with Will. It did not work out with Will. Yeah. I think. I think she had fun while it lasted. I think she had fun while it lasted. I think it was more of like he, you know, maybe like got in his head a little bit

and couldn't like prioritize her cause he wasn't playing so well, you know? They love to blame the woman. Yeah, they love to blame the woman. She got Jessica Simpson. She got Jessica Simpson 100%, 100%. So I think it was like, oh, this isn't like, you know, I think she needs to be with like someone good.

Oh, that would be nice. Yeah. Like in Travis Kelce. I would love that. Maybe she'll go to some TU events, send her to Aldeens. Oh my gosh, she should go to Aldeens. I wonder if they let her in.

First, look at that face card. No, no, no, that's so true. Never deny, right? It's not what the kids say. Never deny. Ding. Oh, that is so funny. So those are your people.

How did you meet Nick? I slid into his DMs. So because I followed Hannah Brown and Madison Pruitt, I feel like the algorithm was working and he was on my explore page, like a photo he had posted. And it's so funny because the photo he posted is just like him standing what now I know to be

the Whole Foods parking lot. Cracking. And now that I know the story of it, it goes a little something like this. Okay. So he would frequent the Venice Whole Foods. And, you know, he lived alone, so he would go there, like, every day

to buy, you know, what he's having for supper. And there was a massage therapist in the Whole Foods in Venice, who would do, like, chair massages. In Whole Foods. the Whole Foods in Venice, who would do like chair massages. In Whole Foods. In Whole Foods. In like the soap section. That's crazy.

No, it's crazy. Okay. I think he says her name is Maria. Okay. And he would get a chair massage every single time he'd go to the Whole Foods, to grocery shop. And he was like, you know, they just kept telling you, like you got to post every day on Instagram,

you got to post, you got to post. That's how you like keep everyone entertained. And so he was like, Maria, after this massage, do you mind taking a photo of me in the parking lot? And she was like, sure. So she followed him, left her station, followed him to the parking lot and took his Instagram pic. And that's the photo that I saw on my explore page that I DM'd him. That compelled you to reach out to him. That compelled me to DM. And had you known who he was or was just like,

that photo was just so compelling. No, that photo was so compelling. She did a really great job. He should hire her. No, literally. I don't know what she's doing since COVID. I really wish her the best. And I do hope that we can find her someday.

She needs to be head of social media for Vibe Incorporated. No, she does. No, she really does. That's so cute. So how did he see her DM? I feel like he was a hot commodity. I guess, you know, avid he's he was an avid checker maybe I don't know maybe he just like maybe he was a happenstance. You know, he happened to check I happened to send. So what did you say? It was groundbreaking. I don't know if you are ready. I'm ready. You're unreal. Wow, that's really cute. Thank you. I honestly was like, this guy's hot. I'm going to send this. And then I went about my day and did not think twice about it. And the next time I got back on Instagram, I was like, oh my God, he's responded. Oh my God,

I forgot about this. Hello. And he asked you out. We, well, we chatted for like a couple days and then we started like FaceTiming. I was living in Georgia at the time in Savannah and he was in LA. And so he was like, I'm gonna be in New York in a couple of weeks. And I was like, that's so crazy. Same, I'm also gonna be in New York.

Were you gonna be in New York? No, not at all. And I booked a ticket immediately. And then I was like, oh, I'm like seeing some friends. And then I actually wasn't seeing friends and I was like, oh, I'm like seeing some friends. And then I actually wasn't seeing friends and I was like, hey, my friends are busy. I have nowhere to stay. So I'm just gonna like get a hotel somewhere,

you know, for like the weekend. And he was like, why don't you just stay with me? And I was like, wow, sure. So we like spent the weekend together. And then we were like, okay, this was so fun. Like, see you never. And I was like, let me know if you're ever back on the East Coast again.

And then like a couple of days went by and he was like, do you wanna come out to LA? And then we spent 10 months going back and forth and I was like, I really wanna date you. And he was like, no, it's not gonna happen. Really? Turned me down so many times. How long were you dating like unofficially?

Like 10 months. Wow. Yeah. What did he say for why he didn't want to? Because the age gap, he was like, I don't know if we're on the same path of life. Because how old were you when you guys met? 21. Wow. He was 37, I think.

OK. But he didn't know that you're an old soul. He didn't know. Yeah. He had no idea that I- He thought you were just like a regular 21-year-old. He thought I was just like a party girl. He had no idea that I'm like, well, mature beyond my age.

You are, I think that's what everybody says about you. That's like the vibe that you exude. You were saying how you and Nick have an age gap. I'm like, oh, right. I know that somewhere in my brain, but it doesn't feel that way because you feel very mature for your age and he seems like a younger guy.

Yeah, I think I like survived a lot in my life and I lived on my own at 15. I grew up really, really fast. And I feel like that, so by the time I got 21, I was like, no, I'm actually done partying, I'm done. I don't wanna live that life anymore. I'm ready to settle down. I want children.

I want a stable relationship. And he was 37. It was like- Did he want those things? He wanted children. He said he never wanted to get married. OK. Red flag, red flag.

I was like, OK, well, it's not going to work for sure. But if you want kids, you don't get married. That's not how this day and age works. OK, do you want to be canceled? So we just had a baby before our wedding. Right, right, right. Oh, I guess he got a little bit. He got to have a kid.

We compromised. He got to have a kid before he got married. Sure. We compromised. Exactly, we compromised. Exactly. So yeah, and then finally I was like, I can't do this anymore. Like I have too many feelings involved

and I'm gonna like, I was, we were both seeing other people and we were both like very honest about that, which I think helped our relationship cause we were, you know, he'd like FaceTime me and I'm getting ready for a date and he's like, what are you doing? And I think most women would probably be like, oh nothing, going out with the girls,

because they don't want to hurt their feelings or something. And I was like, oh, I'm going on a date. You don't want to date me. I'm going to keep dating. And so then finally I was like, I don't want to do this anymore. I'm going to get my feelings hurt.

And he was like, okay. And then I didn't talk to him. And he was like, actually I'm in love with you. And I was like, thank you. Thank God. Thank God. And he was like, and I just bought a house. Do you want to move love with you. And I was like, thank you, thank God. Thank God. And he was like, and I just bought a house, do you wanna move in with me?

And I was like, I'm on the way. So that's when you moved to LA? Yeah. And then how much later until you got pregnant? So we got engaged like maybe three years later and then I got pregnant like six months after we got engaged. Nice. Yeah.

Crush it, you changed him. Changed. They say you can't do it. No. By the way, don't get any ideas from Natalie, they're the exception. Nice. Yeah. Crushed it. You changed him. They say you can't do it. No. By the way, don't get any ideas from Natalie. They're the exception. Okay. Literally. It does not work. Honestly, most of the time. Please. I tried so many other fixers and I never worked. That is hysterical. How did you feel about his job? Like, did you ever see yourself going into like what he was doing in the way that you have? No. So I was full-time and I was a surgical technologist. So I was like assisting surgeons in the operating that you have? No, so I was full time and I was a surgical technologist.

So I was like assisting surgeons in the operating room. I loved it. I had so much fun doing it. And I kept doing it up until I got pregnant. I was in my first trimester and I was very, very sick. And I was like, no, actually the like looking at this blood is making me actually have to vomit. Like I have to scrub out and puke.

Like I cannot do this. And so I was like breaking sterility a lot because I kept having to leave and then surgeries were like taking longer because I was like, and my doctor was like, this isn't gonna work, like we need to figure something out. So I took some time off. And then when I took that time off, Nick was like,

well, why don't you just like come on the pod for a moment? And so I did. And then we just like. And that's another one where it's like working with your husband is usually not gonna work for you guys, it doesn't work for you. Don't get any ideas. Yeah, honestly, I should leave.

Because when I think about a couple that one of them has a podcast or whatever and then the other one's gonna come on and they're gonna do it together, I would just think objectively that's a bad idea. Right. But you guys are, you were made for it. Thank you.

I feel like you really balance out his shtick with just a female perspective. Yes. And it really, really works. Yeah, I think he's able to bring, it's always like, he's bad cop, I'm good cop, you know? He's able to bring the really good, hard-hitting questions and then I'm there to be like, oh my God, but love you.

You know, and I do love you. We had Sherry Papini on and I was, honestly, Sherry Papini, hoax kidnapper, kidnapped. Nick was like, I don't believe you, kind of the whole time. And I was like, and you are so pretty, I just have to say. And I don't think you did it. You did it.

You did it. But I get so nervous sitting beside people being mean. I can't, so I'm just always good cop and I think it does work for us. It does really work. But again, don't try this at home. Well, now it is time for our next story, which is some national anthem news because Kristin Chenoweth is getting slammed for what people are saying was a bad national anthem performance during the NBA finals, which also like it was the NBA finals. I guess in hindsight,

my husband did have some friends over. He said they were watching the game. I think it was a big deal. And I think that was the finals. Except like the Oklahoma City Thunder, like they're not making a big deal about their win. I feel like I had to seek out who won. Whereas usually it's like flooding. It's everywhere.

I guess I don't, maybe I don't follow that many Thunder fans. Yeah. I didn't know any, I didn't even know people lived there. In Oklahoma City. Yeah. Yeah, in Oklahoma. In Oklahoma City, yeah. Yeah, in Oklahoma City, yeah.

Kristin Chenoweth sang the national anthem and she did her thing, like she did her Broadway thing with it. Which I hate. Which you didn't like it, she's getting slammed. I was expecting it to be far worse because I'm looking for like Fergie and Ingrid Andres. Yes. And it wasn't sonically bad, like she sounds

like a Parji opera singer, it's just like not the vibe. No, and honestly, we had Ingrid on our show a while back to talk about, she had like the flop, to talk about the flop. And she recognizes it's such a flop. She was like, no, honestly, like I got back and no one would talk to me. And I was like, how about that? She was like so hammered. And they were like, we'll talk about it tomorrow. I'm just like, I can crash.

They're like, yeah, well, you go to sleep. And check yourself in three of the next day. Yeah, so she has lived, she has learned and thank God for that. And I do not like when they change the tune. I don't want you to change the tune of our songs. And that's what I feel like Kristin was doing. And I felt like it wasn't needed.

I feel like she does have a beautiful voice and it wasn't like off tune, which I was thinking it was gonna be. I feel like she does have a beautiful voice. And she was, it wasn't like off tune. Which I was thinking it was gonna be. The notes were hit. The notes were hit. Yeah. But the ending. She got carried away with Kristin itself.

But like you hired Kristin Chenoweth to do the national anthem. Kristin Chenoweth did the national anthem. Like what did you expect? So I would say that this is more on like the talent recruiter than it is on Kristin. She's also like a local to Oklahoma City. They like to do that.

Yeah. I just like, I didn't think it was bad and it doesn't deserve to be there with like Fergie and Ingrid. It doesn't. It's in just a different category of like, well, she put her old Christus-y into it. Yeah.

And you didn't like that. Yeah. I felt like maybe that's not the place to put. The Christus. Yeah, to put that into the national anthem, you know? It's like, you wouldn't put that into the Pledge of Allegiance. You wouldn't, you know, like,

these are just songs who have their tune. You wouldn't put it into Twinkle Twinkle Little Stars. You know, like, you don't change the tune of those songs. Yeah, yeah. So you don't like when people take it in a different direction. No, I don't even like it when my husband changes the song when he's singing to River.

I'm like, that's not how it goes. Oh. It's actually not, she doesn't like that. It's not how it goes. He sent me a video of her where she's holding her, she's a very small jelly cat bunny and it's called Baby Bun Bun, okay? And he was calling it her rabbit.

And I was like, you might as well call it a hair. Like what the fuck? She doesn't know what a rabbit is. No, she thinks it's a different thing. She's like, where's my rabbit? No, she does. It's baby bun bun. And you have to refer to it as baby bun bun.

She doesn't know rabbit. We speak river. We speak river in those house. So that's kind of, you know, like you can't, they won't understand. And I felt like I didn't really understand the national anthem when Kristen was singing because it was very much in her own way So who are some of your favorites that have done it?

Because when I'm thinking about like the most recent ones at like the Super Bowl and stuff like did you like? Chris Stapleton loved okay loved and I Chris Stapleton cannot do any wrong Yeah, I agree. You know Literally, I don't want to fucking talk to you. I'm not interested He cannot do any wrong and I think him in his beard should continue to sing every single national anthem You know what I'm saying? You didn't like it. Shut your mouth. Yeah, literally. I don't want to fucking talk to you. I'm not interested. He cannot do any wrong. And I think him and his beard should continue to sing every single national anthem.

Did you like Lady Gaga? She got a little crazy with it. No, I didn't. I didn't. I don't. I just don't. We don't need that. You know, it's like you can show your talent without being like, you know, like you don't

have to do that. I understand. I think that's a fair assessment. I'll take a little bit of it. As long as it feels respectful to me. So you loved Kristin. No, I didn't love Kristin, but like I can recognize that she did the job

that she was asked to do, which is Kristin Chenoweth singing the national anthem. She said you asked for me. Yeah, and you got me. What did you think you were gonna get? So, and I do feel like the NBA like loves having a national anthem moment and like good or bad. Like it's not a coincidence that every year

at the finals we're talking about the national anthem. Cause we're certainly not talking about the game. No, absolutely not. We didn't even know it was happening. No, well I wonder what the players think during while they're standing there. I feel like they feel a lot of pressure to not show anything on their face, whether they

like it or they don't like it because they don't know how it's going to play. So true. Yeah. So true. They only care about what the fans think. Yeah. So they're just like, stoic. Yeah.

But then when they crack, that's when you know. With Fergie. With Fergie and with Ingrid. Well, our next story is a little fashion news I dropped this morning, because Kim Kardashian is announcing her collaboration between Roberto Cavalli and Skims Swim. So in another high fashion collab for Skims and Kim, they are collaborating with Cavalli. Some pictures have dropped of what we can expect

from the collection, like lion one-piece, lion moomoo, lion bikini, very Cavalli and very skims. I think this is like A plus. No, truly. I think she continues to like partner with the right people. I think she's an incredible business woman. And I think she knows what she's doing. Like her collab with North Face for the puffers.

Like she just is smart with it. And I do think this is a great collab. I personally will not be wearing a lion one-piece ever. So I won't be purchasing from this drop, but. I might, I wanna see the is a great collab. I personally will not be wearing a lion one piece ever. So I won't be purchasing from this drop, but. I might, I wanna see the rest of the stuff. I don't love, like, I don't wear a lot of animal prints, but I feel like there might be other stuff that's more for me.

I feel like maybe that makes, that one piece would make my bush look more like a bush. You know what I'm saying? Like it's actual, it's fur. It's the lion's head. You're right, I miss that. I wonder if that's on purpose. Like it's right in the bush. It's giving shadows, you know what I'm saying? Like it's actual, it's fur. It's the lion's head. You're right, I missed that. I wonder if that's on purpose. Like it's right in the bush.

It's giving shadows, you know? Yeah, I need to see more pictures. Yeah. Skims, Cavalli. And it always is just shocking like how she gets these collabs. But I guess like when you really zoom out, it's like, well, Skims is the name on everybody's lips.

And these days Cavalli isn't. Though it's like, well, Skims is the name on everybody's lips. And these days, Cavalli isn't, though it's a very storied brand and it has great name recognition. It's not at what it was. I'm not going into a Cavalli store. Right, so this is actually really great for Cavalli. Honestly, good for her. Would you wear it?

If I were skinny. Yeah, if I were skinny, yeah. If I were skinny, yeah. Interesting. So, but because I'm not. We'll be purchasing. We'll be purchasing. No, I have to tell you this story. So Nick booked me a massage.

He was like, oh, let's get a massage at the house. Someone will come to the house. We've been traveling a ton or something. He was like, someone's going to come to the house and give us a massage. I'm like, okay, cool, whatever. So he's like, why don't you go first? Like, great, she sets up in our playroom, which immediately,

not relaxing. Yeah, vibes are really off. We have link squad going off in the corner. And she's like, okay, so you could just get on top of the sheet. And I was like, on top of the sheet? That's, why would I get on top of the sheet? I'm wearing a robe and little boy short underwear, no bra, nothing, because I'm getting a massage. Right, and you go under the sheet, that's why would I get on top of the sheet, I'm wearing a robe and like little like boy short underwear, you know,

no bra, nothing, cause I'm getting a massage. Right, and you go under the sheet. I'm being respectful, getting a massage. And you're actually wearing like the maximum amount of clothing which is underwear. Literally. She's like, get on top. And I was like, okay.

Then I dropped my robe and I get on top and she's like, so we're gonna start with the stretch. And I was like, I'm so sorry, the stretch? And she was like, yeah, the, so well, the lymphatic and stretching. And I was like, so this, this isn't a massage. She was like, no, this is the stretch lymphatic. And I was like, oh, okay. So she grabs my leg.

I had, I had not shaved and I cannot tell you how long my bush almost attacked her face. And she's pulling my leg over and the way that I am trying to not make eye contact with her I've never been so uncomfortable in my life and I can't like the way that she was like so what'd you do for dinner last night and like trying to have the most calm conversation while my literal bush is in her face was I've never been more mad at my husband I was like how dare you tell me that this is it's not a He was like, oh, sorry. It's like lymphatic sports bra. This is PT. I should have been in literal workout clothes. And I even said to her, like, should I put on a bra? And she's like, oh,

you're fine. No, that's insane. No, I'm sorry. You had me naked in my kid's playroom, like, You had me naked in my kid's playroom, like, leg up, stretching, bush out. Why would you do that? Why would you do that to me? And she, we, I haven't talked to her since. And then what did Nick do for his? Same thing. And he thought he was getting like a deep tissue?

No, he was like, no, I knew, yeah. He set you up. No, he set me up. It was awful. It was the worst experience of my life. That is seriously so awkward. No, I've had dreams about it since. More stressful than not getting a massage at all.

Literally. Caused me way more stress. I'm so sorry. He owes you a massage. Did he make up for it? No, he did not. But we actually, we went, where were we? We were in Vancouver for the last five weeks and on all of our downtime, he was like, we should get a massage. So there were days where we got like two actual massages in one day. So yeah, he did. I take it back, he did.

But I just, that brings, I bring that up because of the Robert Caballini lion. Now you're like very like bush sensitive. Yes, yes. And I do feel like we should normalize the bush. That's my personal opinion. Yeah. No, I feel like as you get older,

there are certain things where it's like, oh, like it's like nature. That's why I should not be on Love Island. It should never be a reason. Oh my God. Love Island. No, I should not be on Love Island because they are in a swimsuit all day long and they're all perfectly waxed. Yeah. I'm not interested in that. No, and they're seriously wearing like the craziest thongs. Like they are soon they're going to show up with no bottom.

No bottom. It's wild. Well, our fifth and final story is a little more. I don't know, fashion news, because the photos for Ryan Murphy's new show American love story just dropped It's about Carolyn Bessette Kennedy and JFK jr. Which is like, you know, everybody loves them and tragic love story and the photos came out of cast and crew and you know There were some photos that were better than others, but there were a couple that I don't think anybody wanted to say it, but it looks like shit.

It looks like JCPenney's like. It does, it looks like JCPenney was inspired by Carolyn Biscette Kennedy, and now you can get the look for less. Yes, exactly. Because a couple of the photos that were taken at a shoot, not the ones on set, those are a little bit better when they're in the context of the photos that were taken at a shoot, not the ones on set, those are a little bit better when they're in the context of the show.

But Carolyn's look is off. Awful. Now her hair colorist, her real life hair colorist of Carolyn is breaking down what Ryan Murphy got wrong in the show. So yeah, the hair color, she obviously is a very blonde, blonde, and they tried to recreate that, and it didn't hit.

She said, I love Ryan Murphy. I mean, I live for him, but there must be some kind of glitch with the costume people or the hair people because it's not right. It's all white and burnt. He said the hair colorist, her hair was not white and it wasn't burnt. She hated the idea of having ashy hair, which I was totally against too and I never did it. But when I saw the first look, I went, oh my God, what am I gonna do?

I mean, first of all, this person should have been brought on as a consultant. Like the fact that this is the person speaking out about this tells me everything I need to know. Yeah, and the thing is, it's like the hair is bad, but also the fashion is bad. She's wearing a Birkin and it seriously, it looks like so cheap, it's empty.

First, like it's really all bad. No, it's like collapsing on itself. Yeah. They couldn't put any stuffing inside of it. Stuff the bag. And I- Yeah, they're just like standing in front of a black, or a back, a JCPenney's backdrop.

Like they're coming in for Christmas cards. And it's like, it's, they, yeah, he's standing like that's his mugshot. Like the styling, the photography, the creative design, like where is it? I don't know. And like then you see pictures of them in real life and they have not achieved what they set out to achieve,

especially with the makeup, the hairstyle. He said, Carolyn's hair was darker at the bottom, the mid was medium blonde and the front was all brilliant gold pieces. Gold makes women look beautiful, ash makes you look dead unless you're wearing a ton of makeup and who wears a ton of makeup?

It's just wrong, everything. Oh my God, I love him. I love him too. Wow. Because thanks for validating like the people feel but not verbalize. No, and I feel like maybe Ryan Murphy is gagged from that comment.

Like what, you know, like where does he go from here? You know, like I feel like maybe Ryan Murphy is gagged from that comment. Like where does he go from here? I feel like maybe he loved this and now he's like, oh no, now this is bad. And I also feel like he doesn't flop. No. And they do so many period pieces and recreations of real people and stuff. And for the most part, no one's really had to complain.

They do a pretty good job of nailing the character. I think in most part, no one's really had to complain. They do like a pretty good job of like nailing the character. I think in this situation, like he had really big shoes to fill because they are so iconic, like for the way that they look. And for him to miss on this, like is a big L. Yeah, I also feel like him coming off of the Menendez brothers, maybe he had like- He was feeling a little-

He was feeling a little- Too big for his britches. Yeah, a little bit too big for his britches. I didn't want that one. Dark, real dark. Happy to skip it. But he also did like Monica Lewinsky. He did OJ and like remember the OJ one,

like everyone was like their old selves and like, you know all these people. And he kind of like, he even had Chris Jenner in there, Robert Kardashian, OJ self. They like really had- When does this come out? This comes out sort of soon. When was it?

I think in the next few months. I forget. Let me look if anyone will tell me, which they won't. Well, I would actually watch this because I think their story is interesting. I've read like a sort of like a fan fiction version of it. There's a book by Emily Giffin. I forget what it's called,

but it's like sort of a take on this story. And it's so good. And of course it's not the true story, but it definitely made me interested in them as a couple. Cause like we were a little young. Right, right, right. We were so young. Yeah, me and you.

Cause we were the same age. Yeah, we were really young. We were like in like slippers. I feel like it like stuff that happened like in the 90s, like I missed cause I wasn't like a conscious person. And like anything that happened before, like I learned in school. Right. But then, and things that happened like in the 90s, like I missed cause I wasn't like a conscious person. And like anything that happened before, like I learned in school. But then, and things that happened after,

like I'm alive. But like, this was like sort of a period that I missed. So I know a little bit about them, but it would be something that I would want to know more about. So I'm interested to watch it, but not if it's going to be a piece of crap. No, I don't want to watch it if she,

if her hair looks like shit. I'm not watching it if it's ashy. And if it feels like community theater, which is like my biggest pet peeve, especially when they're like trying to recreate like a moment in time and a real piece of like person and time and it's just like giving costume. And it's giving like, I can see craft services over there.

Yeah, yeah. And everybody is just like pretending to be someone else. I'm like, why am I watching you guys being like freaks? I feel too aware of what I'm watching, which is why I actually prefer reality TV. Same. Everyone's like, at least being like their own real person. Yeah.

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Same, when they announced that Monday night, I was like, well, I feel like we don't have any couples. Right, so like, okay, let me go watch six single girls meet six single guys and five single guys. No one's coming between anyone. The strongest couple that we have, I think, is Sierra and Nick, and they've both remained open. Even when she tried to take it to the next level,

he was like, nope. Do you think he said that because he knew Casa Moore was around the corner, and he was like, I don't wanna be cheating, like I'm gonna say I think that he wanted like to be able to see things through with Andrina I think he was like really attracted to her and like maybe if that Petered out and didn't happen and it's Sarah and him were still strong like that And that was the time but like he hadn't gotten to like know that many people

So I feel like he got and and this girl is so dreamy, so he's like, we'll stay open a couple more days. But I do think if eventually, they probably wouldn't have worked. I don't even think they would be compatible or like each other, and then he would probably just look at her as a friend. It's like, well, Sierra's been here the whole time.

Do you feel like that's why they sent Jeremiah home? 1000%. That vote, I was irate, and even watching last night, it took me, I paused all, like usually I watch it, I'm locked in, I got my popcorn, a little pirate's booty that I steal from the kids. Love. Last night, like I paused every five minutes,

like it was making me sick to watch these people like defend, like explain why they voted the way that they voted. Moronic to the nth degree. No, no. And the way that during it went, or I guess right after when Nick was like, listen, dude, like you just have to, he was talking to Pepe.

He's like, now that like Jeremiah and Hannah are gone, like now you can really, you know, explore. It's like, no, you were so jealous of this man. You, like, I don't know who elected Ace as the town mayor, but like he needs to be fired immediately. I think the whole time he was interested in Huda, and I think he was pissed that Jeremiah got her first. Did he say anything to that effect?

When they did the opening kissing? No, but he kissed her on that next blindfold thing when it was like, you can get up and kiss however many, he went and kissed Shelly and Huda. Oh, interesting, interesting. And then whenever he like, okay, he broke up with Huda, ended with Huda, now he's with Adrina. And they were like, he can't just like keep doing this.

And it's like this- Doing what? Seeking out connections? I'm so sorry. This is actually what you're supposed to do. This is exactly what you're supposed to do. Really, we just thought he's gonna do the same thing with Huda.

No, Adrina's a different person. Like it will shake out differently. Even then when they were like to Pepe, well, like now you can explore. It's like, that's what he was doing with Hannah. They couldn't even justify their decisions. I don't know. On the one hand, Jeremiah being sent home made me angrier

than the fact that Hannah went home because what she did to my Charlie. Yeah, yeah. But watching the girls try to explain why they sent Hannah home, they literally couldn't. And in my head, the way I see it happening is that Huda convinced them to send her home so that she could move in on Pepe,

because that was the only other person that she was semi-interested in. I think she was able to manipulate the leaders of the girls, which are Alandria and Shelley. And I feel like Alandria is always the voice of reason. I like her so much. But in that moment, I was like, Alandria should have stepped up and been like,

of course, Amaya is going home. And I think that the boys were so shocked that the girls fumbled the ball so badly. So I feel like the girls had an easier decision to make and they made the wrong one. I feel like for the boys, it's not like they had issues with Hannah, but they had issues, nobody liked Jeremiah.

His best friend is Austin, who's also in the bottom three. Austin poses a threat to no one. Like the way that they voted was just very obviously dumb. Yeah. But I feel like the girls really couldn't explain why they voted the way that they did. I feel like also, because Sierra and Nick had that conversation before

where she was like, I want, and he was like, let's still be open. And so I feel like maybe she was also on the Pepe train of like, oh, well, if he wants to be open, like I need to have someone. Oh, so like, let's get Hannah out. I feel like Sierra, I feel like she's like very like chill and like free spirited and like not like doesn't like weigh in have like or have like strong opinions about like other people, like in the sense that she's just like a cool girl. And so I don't think she like contributed a lot to the vote.

That's just like not how it, they didn't show us how it went down. So I'm just like thinking. Do you think they didn't show us because last season it went so, well, I guess you don't know what we didn't watch. But like last season they had the girls do the same thing and they voted out Andrea who was with Rob at the time.

And you know, like Leah and Rob had their whole love thing and then they ended up breaking up and he was with Andrea. And then she went, like, Andrea got sent home and Rob was like, what the fuck? Like, we had a connection. Why would you send her home? And Leah was like, listen, I took a backseat like to that decision.

Like, I don't know. Like, I really wasn't involved. And then that started this whole fight because the other girls were like, you didn't take a fucking backseat. Like, what do you mean? You didn't take a backseat. Like you were, you were definitely telling us

like who we should. So it started this like whole uproar in the villa. I would like to see that. We need to see the uproar. We need to see the footage. So then I think Sierra is now so pissed that the boy sent home Jeremiah because Jeremiah was keeping Andrina at bay.

Cause if Jeremiah and Andrina are together, then Nick is all hers. But now then all of this is a point with Casa more because shockingly, even though I don't think it's, we're ready for Casa and there's no couples. So like this isn't titillating. I love the Casa boys. I think they're so cute.

They're like the Casa boys too. They all seem like more handsome and more tall and more like employed than the OG boys. So like, let's have a new show. If I hear one more, like I'm a model, like I'm out. You know, like that's why I love Jalen so much is because he was a truck driver. He was a truck driver, 18 wheeler.

He was from Alabama and we love him for that. How was him on Vile Files? I wasn't there, Nick, cause I came here. Sorry. Loved that. Coast greater than Jalen, by a smidge. Literally, by a smidge. And, but Nick said he's so sweet.

And he was just like, he's exactly what you want. Okay, good. Yeah. And he is now like, I mean, he has over a million followers. Like he's getting what he deserves. He is. He is. I'm so like, that's what you love to see.

He needs to be tripping with tart. 1000%. He needs to be on the trip with tart. And he needs a nice lady. I feel like there are a lot of women and men in the sphere who are like, we could place them, you know, a little bit of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And we can add him to the mix now. Do you feel like Amaya is one of the Oshry sisters? No, why? Because she, gratitudely, she just makes up words. Do you feel like Amaya is like one of the Austrian sisters? No, why? Gratitually, she just makes up words. We make them up like we know they're wrong. That's the difference I'm out. No, honestly, she yeah. No, she's like this is how you say gratitude. It's gratitude She sounds like Glenda from Wicked like making shit up. She does, no, she, I love her. Really? You don't like her?

I don't dis, there's nothing to dislike. She's obviously a very pure soul. I don't enjoy watching her on my television. I want her to go home because she's keeping other people from being there, like Hannah was better television, even though she wasn't like, really? Yeah, Hannah and Pepe, like they had, and I like Pepe, so like Pepe likes Hannah, and I like Charlie, but of course she did what she did. But listen, Hannah and Pepe, like they had a, and I like Pepe, so Pepe likes Hannah,

and I like Charlie, but of course she did what she did. But listen, Hannah's gonna Hannah, and she literally came on the show and said, I want multiple partners, okay? She did. She literally- She spit in her hand. She was never shy, she was literally feeling it with Charlie, and then that day was like,

but I just feel like being with other people. Like, I can't knock her for- She's like, no, I'm so horny. For, no, seriously, and one is not enough. So she told us who she was, believe her. And I think Pepe's a really good, smart, sober guy. And if he was really into her, I think that speaks well of her as well.

I think Amaya's excellent television. Just pick up your mic. I don't wanna miss what you have to say about Amaya and how you're gonna insult me again. No, no, you're good. No, no, no, I think Amaya's excellent television. I think she is so funny. You're more patient than I am.

I think when she, the stuff she says is, I want like it on repeat. I want an album made of the stuff that Amaya says. Her singing in the mirror to her being like, I'm a bad bitch and I don't deserve. Like the way that she just is, she is herself and I love her and I think the men honestly are such trash for the way that they're treating her

and she deserves like someone really hot at Costco more. Although I don't know why they're not in there. I know. Well, actually she would have been great with Jalen. She would have been great. Two pure souls. Truly, he would have been so patient with her. If they weren't so fucking dumb to go with him home.

No, that was so fucked up. That was so fucked up. I feel ill. I hate these people. And so now we have like new Casa guys, new regular house girls. What do you think of the girls? Yeah, yeah sure.

A couple of them are like, is there a striking, yeah. I like the conversation, Taylor seems really into Coco. And I liked their conversation. I felt a little bit of them are like, sort of striking, yeah. I like the conversation. Taylor seems really into Coco. Like, and I liked their conversation. I felt a little bit of chemistry from him, which we have not felt yet, even though he's got the best girl in the villa. Like, they make me so mad because he's so not worthy.

But now we see how he's like when he likes someone in a more romantic way. So I feel like it's time for Taylor and Alondra to break up. And I just feel bad for Alondra because she's obviously very picky in a good way. So I feel like it's time for Taylor and Alondra to break up. And I just feel bad for Alondra because she's obviously very picky in a good way. Like she's not just gonna go for a million guys or like force something or act desperately to like be on the show.

And she like likes Taylor. I can't understand that from what I've seen. He's very goofy. I just hope that like, I hope that Taylor and Coco like are locked in. And I hope that Alondra can really fall for one of the new guys. Cause they really like her. The guy that she's Coco like are locked in. And I hope that Alondra can really fall for one of the new guys. Cause they really like her.

The guy that she's with like likes her. I mean, he did choose her in the backup. The Zach K. They're all Zach by the way. So if I call one of them Zach I'll probably write, but it was the model from New Zealand. Right? They both loved family.

The covered in tats. Yeah. They both love their family. I think thatats. Yeah. They both love their family. I think that's Zach K. Oh, I think maybe he is a Zach. Yeah. Cause I think Alandra and Amaya didn't get picked. And then he was like, I picked Alandra

because of what she said. She's so sophisticated. Yeah. But no, but then in their conversation, like, okay, maybe at first didn't start off the way you want, but in their conversation, it felt like they were vibing and she was like, I didn't really want to feel that anything, but like it was good. Yeah. Shelly said the same thing. She But in their conversation, it felt like they were vibing and she was like, I didn't really wanna feel anything,

but like it was good. Shelly said the same thing, Shelly and Ace have. Shelly and Ace are the worst. They think they're winning the show. Someone needs to let them know that they're not. No, I feel like they're scamming us. I feel like they're scamming us. You believe that they were dating before the show.

There's that video of Ace being like, happy Valentine's Shelly. You don't say that to someone you bumped into at a coffee shop. You say that to someone you have rapport with. And I think they are scamming the show. If it's up to me, Ace will never see that money. Yeah.

No, if it's up to me, no one that I've met on Love Island so far will be winning that money. The last person who comes in the house who I hate the least, I'm voting for. Yeah. I feel like Nick and Jayden, I think that is good. Oh yeah, they're cute, but I like Nick and Sierra.

Like what about that is not enough for him? You know? That's so true. I have no idea. I think Beldasha told us that he told her that he was in an open relationship before or had multiple girlfriends at once. And so she was feeling right at home being at Love Island.

So I think maybe that has something to do with it of like, oh, I don't wanna close off to one girl because I'm into dating multiple. Got it. Okay, that one. I'll take it with a grain of salt. Yeah, take it with a grain of salt. I don't know.

Because Tyler Cameron came here and said that he went on a double date weekend with Nick and two girls who are Lando. They were both dating. They were both dating. I was like, I actually don't know why I was there. They were both making out with Nick. Tyra was dating a girl and Nick was dating a girl.

I guess the girls knew each other and they all went on a double date weekend to Orlando. And he never said anything about there being another girl. And he said that like Nick's the only person that he kept in touch with from that weekend and that he's a good dude. I do think he is a good dude. I think he's sweet. He's a nurse, you know, he's a hero. Not all heroes work apes.

I think he's a hero. And the way that he was like, oh, your dextron is like so sexy. Yeah, he's like, I can help you with that. I can change that for you. That is cute. So sweet. But it's only cute if Sierra,

oh, Sierra's with Alon. Yeah, which honestly is like the- The Nick of Casa Moore. I like them too. I actually, I'll be great if everybody recouples meaningfully, except I kind of liked Iris and TJ. I thought they were- No, I did too.

But TJ's response to every kiss, like you thought that was the other one, like which one were you voting Iris, the two, you know? Like if they all thought these were just like the actual girls, then why are you voting them so low? I don't know, but I also think some of the girls, like most of them like weren't interested in TJ and so they didn't give him the best kisses, you know?

Whereas Iris like would have given him a better kiss. It is so weird. I know we have to just accept this as a fact, but it is so weird to me that you can stand up there blindfolded and now kiss and have to like make out with and dry hump and grab ass of five strangers that you've never met before. And I know when you go on the show, they're like, are you down to hook up with strangers that you've never seen before?

You don't know like what their history is or anything and you have to be okay with that or else you can't come on our show. And they all agree to it, but it's twisted. No, the blindfolds is so fucked up. Like you, first of all, like you're startling me. Now my nervous system needs to come down before you try to kiss me. You know, like I'm not ready for a kiss right now.

Like my blood pressure's high, I'm feeling nervous. Like you have to wait a second. And the way that they just immediately, and then you have to like, now you're getting raided. You know, it's like, well, how, I wasn't prepared. You know, like I wasn't, and you're choosing who you want to be coupled up with based off that kiss. No, as if like the kiss means anything, but like,

I remember, do you ever watch that movie, Sierra Burgess is a loser? No. It was like, just like one of those teen movies on Netflix and like the girl is like catfishing the guy with this other girl's picture. So like she finally gets in touch with the other girl. She's like, please, can you like go out with him for me?

And then like, when it's time to kiss, she puts a blindfold on him and then Sierra kisses him, like the loser girl, not the girl that was catfishing. And like, it was really twisted though. Like he thought he was kissing this one girl and instead he's kissing another girl. And I feel like at the time people were like, hmm, that's like kind of weird

and like a little morally bankrupt. And now we're like all watching it on Love Island. Right, cheering it on Love Island. Right, cheering it on. Yeah. Yeah. But like, I know that all these people have consented to all of this. They have.

And I honestly do think like, the milk challenge was far worse, you know? The milk challenge. I will not be the same, like small things about this show, first it was Charlie, then it was Jaylen, then it was the milk challenge, and then it was Jeremiah.

It's chipping away at my ability to watch the show. It's getting bad. It's getting really bad. The milk challenge was something that I, the hot, hot milk, milk is only good if it's served ice cold, and it's only good if it's in a bowl of cereal. And it's not as good when it comes from someone else's mouth.

Someone else's mouth, and now it's hot, and it's been sitting in an udder for how long. And it's gonna be good when it comes from someone else's mouth. Someone else's mouth and now it's hot and it's been sitting in an udder for a long time. And it's gonna be prolonged. And it's not like quality milk. It's not quality milk. Grass fed. It's probably not like almond or oat either. So like, I hope everyone's stomach feels okay. I could seriously, that was actually disgusting.

Do you think that Jaylen got sent home because Taylor and Alandria wanted to get rid of. I actually don't think so. I know people said that, but I think when Alandria made her choice and was very clear about it, she wasn't even like, she was like, I like Taylor a little more, but I look forward to exploring with Jaylen. She was like, no, it's, she literally came back from her date with Jaylen and kissed Taylor on the lips, which they never do.

So I think if Taylor, Taylor were still feeling threatened by him, like he would be a fool to feel that way. And I don't think that, I think their chapter was closed with that locked door. And like, then he could have went and explored Amaya. I can't tell you, like there are so many things that are embarrassing, but pulling on and open a locked door. And of course it only happened to one person

and it was Jaylen. In front of everyone. National television. Disgusting. That's so fucked up. That is so fucked up. I'm sick. I'm sick.

And the way that she's like, and you're standing in front of Olandria's door and like Olandria's standing back there knowing that it's locked. Like that is so fucked up in so many ways. Yeah. I hated that. I hated, like he did not deserve that.

And the fact that we haven't had a normal recoupling where just like guy chooses girl that he likes or girl chooses, we haven't had one except for Belle's. Yeah. Dasha. So true. Is really annoying. What is the show?

It's not Love Island. And now they're coupling up in Casa, which is like not what you're supposed to do. And then everyone's coming back to the main house, which I don't dislike because we have good Casa guys. And also the girls like deserve, I want every OG off my show. Like all of the OGs, they have run out their time on the show, the boys and the girls.

The good ones are gone and the ones who were once good are now compromised by their inability to vote. So true. And to understand the will of the American people. So true. When they kept saying America, I'm like, don't speak for me. Don't speak, I didn't do that. Have you ever voted in one of the polls people. So true. When they kept saying America, I'm like, don't speak for me. Don't speak, I didn't do that.

Have you ever voted in one of the polls? Yes. You do? Yes. Who'd you vote for who were your two favorite guy and girl? Oh, it was Nick and Ciara. Cute. Yeah.

Yeah, and I'm sure you've seen like people shipping Nicolandria. No, I haven't, but honestly. You haven't seen the edits. I like that. Oh my God, they take like these minor these minor moments of when he looks at her. It's actually so funny. And I wanna show you one.

Then when they had Nick read Alandria's name of who was being saved from the popular vote, they had Nick read out the text that said Alandria. I know that they did. I think they're combing Twitter. They are doing whatever the people want. And I think that they did that so that people could include that in their edits.

Cause he like smiles. Of course he fucking smiles. It's actually so funny. Here, here's one. This show is so un-serious. People are not okay. They're not okay. What is going on? I have to say I'm very glad that Shelly got the tallest man in CASA.

Yeah, but I feel like she's taking it for granted. Yeah. I don't know, I don't think she's really into anyone anywhere on this island. Did you notice that no one wanted to kiss Chris? Who's Chris? Who's Chris? He came in with JD. Who is he coupled up with at the moment?

How do you know Chris and JD? Actually, I do remember JD, he was like really smiley and he's a football player. He said, coach said this. And I was like, okay. JD's the tall one who's the Shelly, I think. No, the basketball player who was playing in Europe. Isn't his name JD?

No, he's Chris. Okay, so then maybe it's JD. Oh, nobody wanted to kiss JD, the football player. JD, yeah. He had the smallest little gap between his front two teeth. Oh. And no one pulled him to kiss in the little game they were playing.

That's weird, and now who is he coupled up with? Huda. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Well, this is Huda's time to shine. Even though she's coupled up with someone that she didn't want to kiss.

You think she'll shine? Do you love Huda? No. No. And I think that her contribution to the island has run out. Like I understand, she really saved the season because up until Hurricane Huda, like the show was so bad.

And like, I was like actually feeling like angry watching every night, but then like with a couple of the recouplings, people are like, oh my God, like that was crazy. And then Iris and Jeremiah are together and Huda is spiraling and it was like good television. And I think that the producers don't wanna let that go. She was obviously not voted highly by America

in terms of popularity, but they weren't going to put her in the bottom three because the girls would have sent her home after three times of saving her. So like, I think they are manipulating things to keep her around because they think that the show needs her, but I think that her contribution has ended.

Yeah, and I would agree. And the only thing worse than watching her spiral and crash out is watching her like, try and be nice and flirt and whisper and be sweet. Like, oh my, and the flirting is so painful. Watching her try and flirt with TJ who was not falling for it was really awful. Watching TJ and Vanna flirt was even worse.

Oh yeah, I thought she was into him. Maybe they were into it, I don't know, but just watching the way that they were choosing to flirt with each other was a hard watch for me. It was so cringy. Yeah, but those girls, they need to play every hand. They're in a tough spot. Yeah, they're like, we have three days ladies,

you better get on it. Yeah, we're gonna go down there. Even if TJ, if nobody likes him, well, we might need TJ. No, we need TJ. We're staying here. We work too hard to go home now. That's so true. I feel like that's why some of the women last season were like really like they were

Like they were doing their big one Like I think some of them were getting close to having sex because they were like we've got to like lay it on them Yeah, well, there's been some sex now a lot of sex. Yeah I think this is the most sex that I've personally seen in the villa I also think as the seasons go on, it's getting like raunchier and more rated R because now it's on Peacock. Like it used to be on cable and it was really PG

to the point of being boring. And now it's all ass and titties and making out and bondage and like the challenges are getting, everything is just up the ante. But I do think like the UK Love Island is more like that. Yeah, apparently like the first couple seasons of Love Island UK, it's like bananas. Sex tapes and cigarettes.

Literally. Yeah, that's what I've heard. Did you watch Molly and Tommy Fury? No, I know them of course, but I don't watch. You should have her on the show. Really? Yeah. How is she? I'm obsessed with her.

She's like my number one. Are they back together? They're back together. She's my number one influencer. I literally, every time she does a drop of her clothing line, I bite everything. What is it about her that you love? I don't, like it's, well, definitely like the fact that she's a mom, like, and like, she just, it seems like just so loving, but there's just something very calming about her presence. It's not even like she has the biggest personality, but just everything she does just like looks very beautiful.

Like she's got the, the eye and the look, but just everything she does just like looks very beautiful. Like she's got the eye and the look, but I think also she has her clothing in line now. I love the way that she dresses like, in this new mature era of her life. And I just feel endlessly inspired by her as like a woman and a creator. I have to say like the second, and I feel like this is maybe where me and Huda

are different. The second that I became a mom, I was like, oh. You signed up for Love Island. And I left my child for two months. And her birthday's coming up. No, I know. She's turning five. Have you all noticed the tattoo with the birthday? No, she's turning five. In 15 days. Is she going to be home? I hope so. Like for a million reasons. No, a million reasons I hope so as well. But Fiji is also like a really long flight away. And I feel like they keep them there for like after sun. Yeah. And then also people are saying like,

so and so is gonna come back into the villa. Like Jeremiah is gonna come back because apparently that happens before. I guess, I don't- Bring Jeremiah. Everyone's been saying that about like, oh, Belladasha is coming back. Oh, Charlie is gonna come back. We don't want, we don't need Bella back.

Like I haven't missed her a date. No, I actually have not. I have not said anything about Charlie, but I don't even need Charlie back for the plot. Like Hannah's gone, it's over. We need Jeremiah back. And even Andrina was throwing herself at Brian. She was. She was throwing herself at him.

And he was like not acting worthy. No, God no. And she had to go in for the kiss. Yeah. And it's crazy. I feel like she got, when she came in, like there has never been as much excitement about the way a person looks as there

Was for her and like everybody was ready to leave their lady for her And then two days later is cause and like the complete air has come out of her bubble now She goes into casa more. She has no girlfriends in the house. You could see she's walking behind the girls every single time She like I feel like all of the hype for her in her moment just like prematurely ended her one connection like Justice for her. She moment just like prematurely ended her one connection like justice for her. She got a raw deal. Do you feel like she's like sad that she missed out on the torquing challenge with Megan Thee Stallion because her ass is so insane. I'm sad.

Oh my God. As am I. That challenge was crazy, but actually genuinely entertaining. No, I haven't laughed so hard. I mean, the way that Austin and Nick and Taylor, Taylor's faces, what was happening? I don't know. Megan did an amazing job as a host.

Yeah, she did. And like, just goes to show like what a host can do for a show, like for a challenge or a show. I do, and I am curious as to where Ariana is when like they're, when they have like the text come in or like Ian is saying it over, like why? What's happening? Where is she? By the text coming or Ian is saying it over, why? What's happening? Where is she?

Love. I don't know if that makes me old and boring, but the only joy I get from this show is Ian. Do you like his jokes? I laugh at some of them. Some of them are not my favorite, but then he's like, I have 100 more of these. Yeah, he does.

But literally sometimes he's so funny. Yeah, I even think he saves the show in so many ways. And I feel like if when I was younger, I would have been like, oh, this guy's so annoying. Yeah. But I feel like old and proud that I love Ian. You guys need to have Ian on. I think that was a plan at some point.

So I would, yeah, it would be really trippy to have his voice like sitting beside me. Oh, for sure. That was also a big thing. They brought in Ian from UK, whereas in the early seasons of Love Island US, he was not the narrator. And like the person was trying to do the same things Ian did,

but it wasn't hitting. Like now it hits. I think they brought in like games makers. Yeah. Like I keep saying like Philip Seymour Hoffman in Hunger Games. Yeah. Like they've done that

because they really are turning the Villa inside out for the sake of entertainment. And I think they're overdoing it and compromising on the love that we are all here for. Yeah, it's like Ace thinks that this is traitors or like survivor. Yeah, but they've made it that way. Yeah, I guess.

But it's also like, I don't know. I don't like the way, I think Ace should go home. I think Shelly should be with Mr. Tall, basketball player. Or go home. I think her time is sort of run out. Like she hasn't made them, like she hasn't done much. And I like her. Like I don't have strong feelings

about her one way or the other. If you had to choose right now who's winning. Oh. You have to. Nick and Sierra. But now that that would be before Casa. Now with Casa, Sierra and Alon. Okay. Like, sure.

Sure. Do you think that they're all gonna crack in Casa? I'm sorry, Iris and TJ. Yes, Iris and TJ. I think they don't need, there's not even a crack to have. No one likes each other except for Sierra liking Nick. That's the only real, like the strongest feeling.

And I feel like she's so emotionally stable that like movie night isn't even gonna be that fun cause she's gonna be like. Oh, everyone's saying they're keeping her around for movie night, like. She does, she's no one to freak out over. Yeah, no, apparently cause she talks shit about the girls and the girls will hear it.

That's what I think they're saying. Yeah, like calling everyone a bitch, fuck this bitch. Oh yeah, when all the, when like Amaya came in, she was like, she's a, I can tell she's messy as fuck, I hate her. I don't even think that's gonna be so crazy, because that was the energy she was giving off. Like it wasn't, like, she wasn't hiding it to like Amaya when she came in that she didn't like her

for going after Jeremiah, same for Iris. Like I think she'll be able to smooth it over. I don't think it's gonna be like the big moment people think it will be. I don't either, I think it's gonna honestly suck. Yeah. So. Yeah, I'm honestly, I'm getting mad now. I was it's gonna honestly suck. Yeah. So. Like, yeah. I'm honestly, I'm getting mad now.

I was really feeling disgusted last night. Now I'm like, okay, I'm, I'm buoyed by Kasa. I think the Kasa guys are good. Are these girls even worthy at this point after like what they did to Hannah, Charlie, Jeremiah and Jayden? No, honestly, they're not. Jaylen.

Jaylen. No. Jaylen. Jaylen. No. Jaylen. Jaylen, is Jayden the new girl? Yes. Yeah, Jayden is the new girl. Jaylen is our boy. Is our boy.

Our boy. Natalie Joy Viall, thank you so much for coming here and doing the total set with me. This was everything I could have dreamed of. Where can everyone follow you and your many podcasts and hot takes? Well, we are on the Viall Falls, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,

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