The Toast - Tuesday Fully Loaded with Pookie and Jett: Tuesday, September 17th, 2024

Episode Date: September 17, 2024

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Good morning, Millennials! Welcome back to the Toast. Happy Tuesday. Okay, you know, I'll take it. I'll take it because it's a fully loaded Tuesday. Oh my god, it's TFL. Tuesday Fully Loaded. It's Tuesday Fully Loaded starring Jackson, Claude, and Craig, and Ben, and Zach, and Spritze. And Pookie and Jet. And Pookie and Jet.

So here's how today's show is going to go. Pre-Fast Five banner. Fast Five. Pookie and Jet on the toast. Video and audio. So if you're listening as a podcast or you're watching on YouTube, you don't have to leave the episode you're listening to. It'll be the latter half of this episode.

Jackie and I sat down with Pookie and Jet, viral internet stars and, you know, close family and friend of Turdi Lu, Ashrae Safar. And you guys are going to love it. It's really interesting to get to know them as people and see that they're exactly who they are online in person. It's actually like scary how like authentic they are online. Like you really, how you would expect an interview with Pookie and Jet to go is exactly how it

went. Totally. You get a little bit of their backstory, how they they met what they'd been up to before viral fame and you get a taste of life with the pookster no totally and Campbell which is Pookie's real name she's pregnant too so we get like a whole pregnancy update from her it was really awesome I think that everyone's really gonna love it and so I'm excited for that which will be in the latter half of the episode before we do anything today we need to talk about like major news being made extra extra read all about it we have anything today, we need to talk about like major news being made, extra, extra, read all about it. We have finally announced it. So we announced a while ago,

our collaboration with Craig Conover from Southern Charm. He joined our company as an ambassador. He invested, he tried Spritz at the Aris tour. I was at the Aris tour with him, Ben Page. He loved it. Him and Ben obviously became friends, started golfing, wanted to invest, wanted to get involved. And this is the first like real iteration of our partnership. We came out with a new flavor. It's lemon iced tea in collaboration with Craig Conover. Obviously it's very Southern, you know, it's giving, it's giving sweet tea. It's delicious. We worked really hard and really long on getting the flavor at a good, to a good place. And this is our new can. So if you've been drinking Spritz Society and like, you're just sucking them down, that's kind of what happens. These are bigger. They are more more ounces per can so you'll get more beverage I think our last

one was nine ounces don't don't like quote me on that so we have bigger cans new blue cans and in addition to launching this new flavor on Spritz Society.com we also did a big merch collection with Craig Jackie's actually wearing one of what I think will be our best-selling crew neck. It says Spritzing Down South. That's very much like the vibe of the collection. Collab. Yeah. It is a Spritzing Down South moment. If you were on board

for the Craig 20 moment, we made t-shirts. Like, there is so much going on at SpritzSociety.com. And the exciting thing is is that we ship our wine online. I think to like 45 states. There are a couple of states

that don't let you ship liquor in the mail. But because we're also selling merch, all 50 states can buy the merch. So if you're in a state that like doesn't ship to Spritz, Spritz doesn't ship to you and you haven't been able to ever get anything, you can also get merch right now,

even though, you know, your state kind of sucks. Damn, shots fired. No, sorry, the government of your state sucks. Spritz Society, Lemon Ice Tea. Also sucks. Spritz Society lemon iced tea. Also, the cans are gargi-pargi. They are. These are perhaps my favorite cans we've ever done. Oh, and I'm sure everyone's going to want to be asking this question.

And yes, you can use code CRAIG20 on this drop. Obviously, we had to. Ben was literally so mad. He's like, I wish we made a CRAIG10 because it's like this big launch i'm like ben you have to let people use the code so craig 20 is still active do not worry yeah spritzsociety.com for all your drinking and wares of the spritzing down south collection yeah the wares we've got them we've got the wares i love this hat i was wearing this hat all summer over the summer you might haveeped it. It is so stinking cute. And it matches our cans.

It matches everything. I was looking through the Dropbox this morning of all the pictures of Craig. Like, what a handsome young man. Yeah. The pictures are so great. They're so Southern charm. They're so Craig. And they're so spritz.

That's kind of the best collab when it happens so organically and you can feel the organic nature I can feel the in the product I can feel the organic nature for sure you can feel the organism the organism is sort of taking over my body right now exactly how are you doing I'm doing great I've had a busy busy morning as as we all have with the collab but also just like mom things, music, you know, popping off. So it's been a busy morning. I'm happy to be sat with you for a second. I'm set. It's always crazy when like the toast is actually the calmest part of my day. Yeah, that's so true. It's definitely going to be one of the calmer parts of my day because in addition to dealing with coccidinia, which thank you for the outpouring of love from the community um I'm also celebrating my seventh wedding anniversary today so I saw that

on Instagram I saw you posted like something really sweet with Ben you collabed with Claude Self and I was like is this an announcement of something and I was like oh it's Ben's birthday oh no it's the anniversary yeah I feel like anniversaries like really go under the radar and you no, it's the anniversary. Yeah, I feel like anniversaries really go under the radar. And by the time your anniversary, usually your anniversary is on a weekday, right? And me and Ben made dinner reservations a while ago. And we're sitting here being like, do we have to go? It's just so late, like 8.30. That's my dad.

Let's spend that time. We are going to go. You're going to go. We are going to go. And I feel like I'm bad with anniversaries like I don't make them special Ben always tries and it's just like to me it's like another day but you know we're gonna make it nice and I feel like I yeah we're gonna make it nice my anniversary has just gotten lumped into Valentine's Day and Harry's birthday so and I kind of like it that way because

I don't need like another occasion to have a dinner or to get a gift, a card. And I don't need a gift and a card. Oh, is that supposed to get a gift? It's nice that we could just, we usually do a little vacation weekend for all three of those things. So sweet. Gargi.

Gargi. Yeah. It's a little bit of a hassle. The anniversary is a little bit of a hassle the anniversary is a little bit of a hassle okay that's what I'm saying like between like on the list of important days like in your marriage and in your family and I'm sure like the more you know your family grows like yourself like it just gets like falls down the list of priorities and I don't know for me it's like always on a weekday and I know that doesn't make any sense because like two out of seven years will have been on the weeknights but like okay if it's on the weeknight it's like I want to have fun with my friends and then if it's on a

weekday it's like girl I gotta go to sleep and by weeknights you mean weekend weekend yeah am I okay her anniversary is only 12 hours yeah sorry no if my anniversary is on the weekend I'm like I'm not spending with my husband I want to go out with my friends and if it's on the weekday I'm like this isn't gonna work yeah it's a school night yeah no it thinks like the anniversary thinks it gets like birthday treatment and it does not no I completely agree I wonder if Ben got me a gift I don't think he did because usually he's like consults the girls. That's good. I didn't get him anything.

That's good. Yeah. So we're just like kind of even. Okay. Well, happy anniversary to you and Ben. Thank you. Like. What would you say is your favorite memory from my wedding?

Couple goals. Power couple. Power couple. Power couple. Power couple. It couple. Power couple. Power couple. It's giving power couple. My favorite memory from your wedding. Well, I had a great time.

I know you didn't, but I thought it was really beautiful. I enjoyed myself. It was emotional as well. You know, I feel like the dichotomy between the ceremony and the reception was so stark with the ceremony being so, I'm actually being sincere, with the ceremony being so like emotional and serious and traditional and buttoned up and then the reception being quite lit. Like I think to achieve those two extremes is actually a gargi pargi balance and what

you can hope for in one's wedding. Well, I appreciate you saying that because I do remember whilst planning my wedding searching for that dichotomy. I was like I want it to be so lit like black out everybody do drugs and during the ceremony like God is in the room with us. Yeah and what was your favorite memory from your wedding? I know it might be hard for you. Honestly my favorite memory from your wedding I know it might be hard for you honestly muster one my favorite memory from my wedding is like I finally unclenched like my anxiety and my stress at the after party and I actually got really drunk in like the two hour after party like dead sober during the wedding fabis and a put I'm screaming at everyone yeah blackout yeah the dichot. The dichotomy of it all, bro. The dichotomy of it all. You love a dichotomy, though.

It's one of my favorite words. And so you have to practice what you preach. I mean, am I not a walking dichotomy? Like modern woman, business owner, living in the future. Very traditional Jewish queen, you know? Yeah. Women in the kitchen. You're living in the dichotomy of all in which I came before you I'm

living in the dichotomy of it all you know classic I thought we said yesterday we were done wearing shorts on the toast explain yourself I see leg oh I'm sorry these are like I'm this is a onesie like a biker short onesie underneath and when I meant shorts I meant like tailored shorts like um like a skirt almost well it looks like it might rain here. This is more cash. Oh my God, it looked like it was going to rain all morning, but it held out. I did not want to drive in the rain.

Oh, I am dying for it to rain. I've got a relatively slow day. And I actually was talking about this on my Instagram. I haven't spoken about it with you. I'm thinking, just thinking about taking the plunge into buying a crock pot. I saw on your Instagram. First of all, I think you have to have a crock pot. You know, it's kind of a rite of passage.

And you are seven years married. So I think you're past due for a crock pot. Yeah, I endorse this. I understand that the stuff of it all is concerning to you. But you'll find a place for it and it'll be fine. Just please, I beg you, don't use crockpot liners. Why? They're so gross.

Okay, well, yeah, by the way. I can't. I have to get off my chest. I'm talking about the disposable crockpot liners. Every time I cook in my crockpot, people are like, you should use a liner. It makes cleaning so much easier. Like, yes, I should cook my food in a plastic bag. That's a great idea. Thanks. Well, I didn't want to be the one to tell you this, but I did get a bunch of messages when I was talking about potentially opening up my life to a crockpot. People were saying,

you should buy a crockpot with a steel base. The base that you have is like, it's plastic. Oh, okay. I'm not attached to my crock pot. Feel free to trash it. I don't even know. I think I got it like on Amazon. Well, here's my question. Crime.

Crock pot is Band-Aid, right? Crock pot is a brand. Right. Of slow cookers. I believe my brand is crock pot. But you can have a slow cooker that's not a crock pot but you still call it the crock pot it's kind of how band-aid is the name of a brand of bandages but if you're using an off-brand bandage you're going to call it a band-aid okay the one I went to Amazon

purchased November 22 so this is the one that I have it is by crock pot would you recommend I've not had any issues with it but you were just saying something about ceramic base metal base you they just have like the bowl that you cook in that you take out and wash right it comes out yeah um it comes in like steel too so you're not cooking with the microplastics yeah mine is ceramic bowl I think and that's fine it's plastic ceramic you're like crusade No, no. Yours is plastic. What is plastic? My bowl?

Your insert, yeah. No, it's not. It is. Let me, here, I have it up. But that's not what I was talking about for plastics. No, I know. I know you're talking about the disposable. People think it's like a life hack.

And it is because you don't have to clean the bowl. But like seriously, the whole point of a crock pot is that it's just one bowl. You only have to do one bowl. And the liners, you're literally cooking your meal in a shower cap. Like it's really disgusting. People really think that they've hacked life. With the liner. Meanwhile, life has hacked them.

No, and it's like how lazy are you like I'm lazy too and the reason why I'm interested in a crock pot is because of its lazy nature right it's one dish I know so many toasters do this and I know I'm like seriously directly affecting you because people tag me in their chilies all the time like whenever it's jackie out like chili day and a lot of people use the liners and well typically like I don't want to like yuck someone's yums but I would actually urge you just to stop you know wow it's like I'm not even telling you to do something I'm telling you to not do something well I don't know if everybody's doing it like they must be on to something now I'm kind of intrigued no it's a seriously crazy crazy thing um how are the stories today and is there a story the potential of a rascal

flats comeback is that a story no because it's not a story yet they like posted something very vague on instagram saying like you know and they come from all around they put a song on their lights go down yeah and they scream and that is one of their songs that's like about their fans it's all about like how much they love their fans and then it's like linked to the newsletter yes sign up you know to be the first to know so there's something coming so yeah I'm here and I'm sad but like that is not the news yet no and obviously we think that the news is going to be at the farewell tour that we never got because of COVID is back on the band is potentially permanently getting back together you know I due to my platform got like a bunch of messages from people who work in country music and some people were saying that well don't say

what it is but you heard what I thought it was because they have this big announcement oh okay so I shouldn't like let them have their special moment but you could say like what you heard it is it's like it's not the comeback tour that we've all been waiting it's one performance it's a bit lackluster what i heard is that it's one performance but what the hell do these people in my dms know you know who's to say that they're not just like larping yeah but let the rascals have their moment like they have a whole like defensive over the rascals and silencing me they have a whole press calendar planned out like just for us to come in and ruin it because we have the connect.

Yeah, it's a dog-eat-dog industry, man. That's not a dog I want to eat. I don't want to eat any dogs. Me neither. And that's what Lisa Vanderpump and I have in common. Very true. What else? What else before we dive in? I was just going to say, this is not a story,

but something that we do need to discuss is like the official Matt and Abby Watchdog podcast. When you were talking about life hacking your crock pot, Matt and Abby are kind of going through it right now because they too thought they hacked life. Yeah, if you're unfamiliar, Matt and Abby is a TikTok couple that Jackie and I both have stumbled across and just sort of been mesmerized by. And they're going through like a bit of a scandal right now. Essentially what had happened was that Matt and Abby went on a cruise, okay, with their two children who are like one and two years old. They also went with like a bunch of other adults, like Matt's parents, Abby's parents, like other in-laws, things like that.

And she shared an Instagram story, which I think she thought was like parent hack and like generally innocuous, ended up like seriously destroying her career. So she was saying how they've been really struggling because they've been sending their kids who are one and two to the kids camp. And the kids have been hating the kids camp and they want to enjoy their cruise as adults, but their kids won't aren't happy being shirked at the camp. So she said, life hack, here's what we did to solve the problem. If any of you are going through an issue similarly. And she said they've put their kids down a little bit earlier. Oh, and also just you need to know for context. On this cruise, they have two hotel rooms.

And the parents are sleeping separately. Matt and Abby are sleeping separately. Yeah, I said the parents. Yeah, but it could be Matt and Abby's parents. Let's be real. I'm talking about Matt and Abby. Matt and Abby are sleeping separately. And they each have one kid with them.

So that one kid doesn't like wake up and scream. So they have two rooms just so you need to know like the lay of the land so are they connecting rooms i assume they're connecting they didn't specify okay i would assume as well so life hack matt abby posted we decided to put the kids down early and head to dinner just the two of us but what we did because the monitors, baby monitors, don't work on the cruise because of the Wi-Fi, if you take them out of the room, she said, we left the monitors on and then we FaceTimed the monitors from dinner. And immediately people were like, wait, you and your husband left your kids alone in separate

hotel rooms to go to dinner with no supervision. And immediately people started talking. Now, I'm obviously not a parent. I feel like what they did, like, will I do? Probably not. I'm very like, you know, scared and I would never do that if you would let me babysit. Like, yeah. Do I feel like sometimes people do this like secretly? Like we all have do this, like, secretly? Like, we all have, like, our parenting things, right? That, like, you never tell, like, you when you're co-sleeping. Like, I think that, like, people will, and I was, like, reading comments. People were like, yeah, like, I run over to my neighbor's house and have a glass of wine, like, with a monitor.

My kid's in the other house. But he's fine. Like, I think that there are things that people do that they don't say out loud. And I learned this lesson as a content creator a little while ago. And I think it's high time Matt and Abby learned it. You don't have to share everything. You really, really, really don't. And people were so quick to jump on them.

They really sustained me yesterday being like, we really appreciate everybody's concern for us, for our kids. But like there was obviously an adult in the room when we left we just like the monitors because um like we're like we wanted to see what was going on while we were at dinner but like there were other adults watching in the room okay well it's good that they said that even though it's like doesn't sound like the truth because wouldn't they have included that when they were first doing it I have so many thoughts on this first of all I feel like Matt and Abby like thrive off of controversy and like they're serious they probably like didn't expect this level of controversy but like I think that they're able to make it work for them you know it's a make it work moment you have to

watch Abby in the um statement like she was fucking pissed like she was done like her I could just tell her disposition she was like what the fuck like I could tell she was just like people questioning her parent her parenting like I could just read her face she wanted to kill these people oh here they are here they are okay I'll watch it later yeah but I agree with you like I would never I would never do this like I'm seriously like would never I don't know if that makes me crazy or not but I do feel like some people would they obviously wouldn't broadcast it on Instagram and be like proud of what they've done but like there we were even talking about that story of those parents who were staying at a hotel who went who left

their kids sleeping like brought the monitor with them on their phone and went downstairs and had dinner. And then unfortunately, the father had a heart attack. And so it became aware to the authorities that there were kids upstairs sleeping alone. Okay, can I ask you a question? Because for some reason, the hotel one doesn't sound as bad. Maybe because like a hotel is more compact. Like these cruise ships are huge.

Yeah. But what's stopping somebody from taking your kids in a hotel and getting into a car and driving away? The thing with the cruise is that it's contained. I guess somebody from taking your kids in hotel and getting into a car and driving away the thing with the cruise is that it's contained I guess they could throw your kids overboard like hypothetically I'm just trying to think of like all potential dangers like a cruise is self-contained so like really okay somebody could steal your kid for sure where are they going nowhere I know but like people on cruises are seriously like no cruise culture like really brings out the crazy in people I didn't even think about that like where could they go right

so I think maybe that was a little bit of the thinking like you feel a little bit more comfortable because you really your child can be kidnapped but they can't go far and so you think the hotel one is crazier like it doesn't sound crazy what if the restaurant's by the x yeah right no if you're in the lobby having dinner like your kid has to pass you on the way out. Unless they go out the back. Like, no, it's still it's not good. But I feel like that couple would have never been found out if the husband didn't have a heart attack.

And then they press charges against them for negligence. And I just want to say, if you can afford to, you know, be in a hotel and go to dinner, you can afford a sitter. And so many hotels like have a service. So there's really no excuse yeah I don't even want to like do like a sound off in the comments because I feel like people have all different and everybody does their things right that you just like sort of shush about yeah the sharing I don't even know and if you're trying to like go out if it's the type of trip

where you're wanting to like go out to dinner and this and that leave your kids more than once then then it's not a trip for kids and if it's once then get a sitter right i don't know they said they did have a sitter so that's that on that right they had all the family with them and whatnot matt and abby he done did it again. The name on everybody's lips. You know who would never? Pookie and Jot. I get my Matt and Abby news from the algorithm. Like I expect when Matt and Abby do something newsworthy that the algorithm will show that to me. And the algorithm never disappoints.

No, the algorithm failed me because I had no idea about this until you sent it to me. Oh, oh. I still would have had no idea about it. Well, because you get things on Reels. My two faves were going through it. You get things on Reels. We're going through it. You get things on Reels and there is a delay and it's gotten better. I feel like the Reels TikTok delay used to be like six months.

Now it's like a week. But this is all happening in the last two, three days. I used to get Matt and Abby content, especially Abby. Like seriously, all the time I would get, you know, here's what's in my smoothie. It wasn't a day in the life of eat. Oh, I guess that's a good point. It wasn't. It's not like this is all currently in real time.

Understood. So that makes sense right now. Instagram, they wanted me to make sourdough. I made it. Now they want me to push my husband to like renovate our home by with his own hands because I get targeted for all these videos. Like I didn't like my laundry room. So here's what my husband did.

I literally send it right to Zach. I'm so jealous of those women. Yeah. If Instagram has like the power that I think it does, like Zach is about to start drilling. Drill, baby, drill. Drill, baby, drill. Yeah, we don't, I don't have that.

I know there are a lot of girls, especially girls who listen to the show who have husbands like that, like really handy, electrician-y vibes, like obsessed, so happy for you. Your home is supposed to be beautiful. And then every once in a while, Instagram throws me like a woman doing that to her house like renovating it i'm like i'm like no i i have a better chance of renovating my own house before

ben does i actually agree with that like i'm itching to do a little something i know but like i seriously can't and that's what i was saying to ben i to Ben, like typically, like if I want to learn, like I can technically do anything if I just learn, like you were saying about sewing. I was saying like eventually I might become a barber and cut my son's hairs and cut Jack's hair. He loves to get a haircut. Like I could learn and I could cut hair. Yeah.

You wouldn't be, yeah. You couldn't like cut women's hair, but cutting men's hair is like seriously not hard. I don't need to cut women's hair. Like for the boys, I don't want to be going to the bar because the question was like how often do you need a haircut as a man and it's kind of frequent it's like kind of a pain in the arse so like if I could learn how to cut hair and I could learn why you could also just use a bowl I could just use a bowl like all your sons and husband lined up in the kitchen for like a mom's bowl cut. All to say, I can't learn how to renovate my house, unfortunately. I'm in the same boat as you.

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racketeering, and prostitution-related charges. Prostitution whore. So the charges come one day after the Southern District of New York announced that Combs was arrested by federal agents. Yes, he was arrested yesterday at a hotel in Manhattan, and then the charges came today, including sex trafficking, racketeering, and transportation to engage in prostitution. Did they say what hotel?

Not in this article. I'm just curious. Speaking outside the federal courthouse in New York, his attorney vowed to fight like hell to get his client released and said the mogul was going to plead not guilty, obviously. In the indictment, which was unsealed Tuesday and obtained by People, prosecutors accused Combs of manipulating women into participating in highly, quote, highly orchestrated performances, which he called,

quote, freak-offs. The freak-offs allegedly involved male sex workers. Prosecutors allege in the indictment that Combs would arrange to have women and sex workers fly to his location. Prosecutors allege that Combs ensured participation by giving them narcotics, holding sway over their careers, threatening to cut them off from financial support, and using violence and intimidation. Also related, when the feds raided his house back in March, they discovered 1,000 bottles of lubricant and three AR-15s. What?

Which both, like, you know, jive with the story yes of you have a say don't watch out for you freak offs are what they called oh my god what a fucking freak like why you're literally wealthy and good-looking like she's like get a girlfriend like everybody else seriously there's no excuse for this type of behavior like you're disgusting literal jail jail for you and everyone do you know how much like how many people need to be involved in something like this like i want the whole rigmarole taken down like there are so many people who are you know the madam right like he's not handpicking the prostitutes like no they um in the indictment it says combs and members of his combs enterprise including high-ranking supervisors security staff

household staff and personal assistants facilitated the freak offs, which were wild gatherings that Diddy threw. They were filled with drugs and sex by booking hotel rooms and stocking them with supplies. The rooms were filled with controlled substances, baby oil, lubricant, extra linens and lighting. And then the staff was also instructed to clean the hotel rooms after the freak-offs to try to mitigate room damage. They would arrange travel for the victims, order IV fluids, and order large sums of cash for Combs to allegedly pay the commercial sex workers. Oh my God. Ew.

Like seriously, you're a freak. I hope, I don't know. I feel like the fact that he was able to get arrested without like any video footage being taken and we haven't even seen a mugshot yet have we uh no because he was just oh he was arrested yesterday yeah I guess a mugshot should be forthcoming and there was a picture of him actually like 30 minutes before at the park yeah no I just feel like he's already getting special treatment no special treatment for people like this. Like, sorry, you're a freak.

You get treated like one. I could just tell like they're already, like nothing's going to happen to him. You think so? You can tell when like someone is getting treated like a civilian Harvey Weinstein. Like how many videos did we see of him getting taken out in handcuffs?

Steddy's been in the news a lot, this, that. I haven't seen him once. He's being like protected. That's the vibe I get oh interesting I guess we'll see based on what happens next but I feel like the fact that he's been arrested and indicted that he's outside of protection at this point no they have they have to arrest him like there's literally such an overwhelming amount of evidence but why did this why did this whole investigation start to begin with i don't know he's been doing this for so long right like what what was the crack i don't know in the case oh my god i feel really sick a thousand bottles of lubricant like ew seriously a twisted

terrible individual yeah really disgusting and disgraceful yeah yeah so we'll keep you posted yeah are you ready for our next story some more legal news though a total shift Justin Timberlake news no no did you see Justin Timberlake's like video I did so he was like required as a part of his sentencing he got like a very light sentence for his DWI. But the judge required him to also make a PSA type of, you know, video and discouraging anyone from drinking and driving, explaining the dangers. And while I obviously like support a message like a PSA of drinking and driving and against it, this judge obviously just wanted to embarrass Justin Timberlake because he's out here at the courthouse like giving this really condescending patronizing speech on DWI as if he's not the one literally walking out of a courthouse for a DUI charge like why are you telling us not to drink and drive we literally did it you did

yeah Justin Timberlake when he speaks it's like there's so much history in his voice don't you find like I can't you mean like nostalgia yeah it's like he doesn't get older and it's just like it feels like i'm watching like an old movie and it's like why are you talking like no i like 2024 i like that call there's too much history there he like time traveled from 2007 exactly i know what you mean anyways our next bit of legal news is that miley cyrus is being sued for allegedly copying Bruno Mars on her Grammy-winning hit, Flowers. What? Yes, but I must note immediately, Bruno is not suing her.

It is the company that owns the song, Tempo Music Investments. What song are they saying it sounds like? Flowers sounds like When I Was Your Man, which it was inspired by that song, and she's said that before. So this is what they say. she's being sued for copyright infringement after allegedly copying Bruno Mars in the creation of her Grammy winning hit flowers her documents obtained by TMZ tempo music investments claims Miley Cyrus's 2023 smash single shares many musical similarities to Mars's 2012 ballad when I was your The investment platform, which claims to own a share of the copyright for Mars' track, alleges that the chorus, harmony, melody,

chord progressions, and lyrics of Flowers were intentionally taken from Bruno's song. Bruno is not a plaintiff in the filing. I feel like they need to create some sort of industry standard for what is considered copying and what is just considered coincidence. Because when Ed Sheeran was going through this with Tom Petty like he explained he was doing press like really advocating for himself like he's like I did not copy he was really advocating for like there are only so many chords that can be made to like make up a popular song

the way that music is made right now and to say that it's copying when it's literally like we're all just using the same instruments and the same chords is so unfair. And then you get like someone gets labeled as like a copier. So I feel like there really needs to be a baseline. I don't know like the terms and the right like musical measurements, but I feel like like you should be able to share. I mean, so many songs share the same for the chord progression and they don't even sound the same so I feel like there should be some sort of industry baseline like this is considered copying and this is not yeah

and I feel like that's different though like that's a that's a separate issue of like there's only so many notes on the keyboard but this feels a little bit opportunistic from this for sure company because one they claim to own a share of the copyright I think the person who owns the most of the song is Bruno Mars and his team I think they just like see an opportunity because Miley had said like she was so inspired by when I was your man like she's not even trying to hide it like a lot of songs are like rebuttals yeah I love that exactly so it's like it would be like Dolly Parton suing Cam right for Diane which is like the other woman's perspective the response to Jolene a lot of people like are inspired by other music and they write like a third person perspective on the matter it's like a kind of beautiful way to song write

also I think they chose this specifically one because Miley like said it but also because there are a couple of songs a year that are like making music these days like really doesn't make you a lot of money unless you get like a viral viral global global hit and flowers was that like it was you know billions and billions and billions of streams yeah so i hope they don't win i hope they don't win either the songs don't sound the same and if they're saying that the message like are they saying that the song sounds yes they're harmony, melody, and chord progressions. And lyrics. And I do think everything about this song was influenced by When I Was Your Man. I also think that if this was an issue that Bruno Mars would be.

If Bruno Mars has no problem with it, then everyone sit down. Then I have no problem with it. Sit down. These are my two faves going at it. I don't think so. It's so true. No, Bruno would never I'm like obsessed with Bruno Mars I feel like he needs to um show off his personality a little bit more do you know what I mean yeah but I feel like he does through his music and his performances

wait speaking of I need to talk about this I'm so glad I just remembered Anderson Cooper did a 60 minute segment on Dua Lipa okay Dua Lipa D Lipa. And he brought up that article that I was just talking about the other day about how Dua Lipa has managed to have like pretty major mainstream success without a single personal reference in her music. Like her fans know nothing about her, her personal life, her personality. And he said, like, what do you say to the writers who criticize you for, you know, no personal references in your music, which I thought was like a really good question. And she gave such a cutting response that was so clearly about Taylor Swift. She was like, they're just some artists who are so ruthless

in their personal life. And they like, she was basically saying like exploiting your personal life for, you know, and dragging people who are part of your personal life, dragging them publicly for the sake of your personal life dragging them publicly for the sake of your own success it was very clearly about Taylor Swift I was surprised more people weren't talking about that I'm surprised she sat down for an interview considering like she doesn't speak right like that the lack of personal references right the lack of personal references except to criticize Israel she'll always speak up for that I thought it was so strange the whole saga and how no I also thought like if she's gonna sit down for an interview like 60 minutes

in America like I didn't get it the whole thing was kind of weird yeah where did you even see the clip Twitter okay so the clip is circulating though the clip is circulating like I saw it first on my own and I immediately was like oh that's a dig at Taylor Swift and then it didn't blow up and then yesterday somebody quote tweeted it and it came up on my timeline being like this is so clearly about Taylor Swift right and I feel like it doesn't answer the question because like plenty of artists like share personal emotional anecdotes and we don't know the people in their personal life like literally actually most artists there's literally just the one yep who it has become a thing and we know the people but everyone else just like sing songs and

puts their heart and soul into it and we don't know what they're talking about yeah it was giving like you don't have a good answer so you're just gonna drag taylor swift like okay yeah uh anyways don't come for miley is all i'm gonna say or taylor or taylor yeah and i I'm always not in the name of Bruno Mars like that's sick stuff. I also always do find these cases really interesting because every now and then somebody does win like Sam Smith lost and had to pay a significant amount of money to the Tom Petty estate

the Tom Petty estate is just kind of out here like suing everyone because he got the chords before everyone else. He did by the way he literally just like got the chords but Stay With Me did really sound like a Tom Petty song. Like that one I heard. I didn't think that the Ed Sheeran one sounded familiar at all.

What was it and what Tom Petty song? Okay, I'll tell you. I'll Google Ed Sheeran, Tom Petty. And the Sam Smith one was, I won't back down, sorry, yeah. Free Fallin'. Back down. was I won't back down sorry yeah no I won't back down stay with me exactly okay won't you stay with me are you oh the great plagiarism debate and Jackie Tom Petty um is very much alive I kept saying like his estate oh I mean he can have an estate if he's alive he had given a statement to Rolling Stone when he beat Sam Smith most times

you catch it before it gets out the studio door but in this case it got by no hard feelings these things happen got it wait I'm trying to find the Ed Sheeran one. Are you sure it was Tom Petty? I'm not. Hold on. So the song is Photograph. Is that not? Look at this photograph. It's not.

It's not. And the other song was. It was Thinking Out Loud. Oh, Marvin Gaye. Thinking Out Loud and Marvin Gaye. Let's get it on. Those two songs did not sound even remotely similarly. And the court agreed with me because they ruled in favor of Ed Sheeran.

And I remember Ed Sheeran was really upset about this case. He literally said like if he lost, he was going to quit music forever because he was going to be so discouraged. Not to be dramatic. That's literally me when someone accuses me of something like. Also, he was in a lawsuit over his song Photograph and it was like meant to sound like a song called Amazing by like a smaller artist. I feel like that's worse when like someone says that you stole like a smaller artist's

song and made it your own. That is worse. That's worse. When like someone says. That you stole like a smaller artist song. And made it your own. That is worse. That is worse. That happens a lot. Yikes. Spikes. Are you ready for our next story?

Yeah. A little relationship news. And an inspiring couple. To celebrate your seventh anniversary. Though not without their trials and tribulations apparently. So Ina Garten is detailing her separation. From husband Jeffrey. In her new memoir. By the way. Her new memoir sounds juicy. Okay. apparently so aina garden is detailing her separation from husband husband jeffrey in her new memoir by the way her new memoir sounds juicy okay so not currently separated but you're she's

sharing that at one point privately yes oh i'm so sorry i'm so sorry like if that was very misleading yeah i'm so sorry okay so in aina's new book she is talking about a separation that she experienced from Jeffrey when they were early in their relationship. Oh, okay. Like, this is a real click-baity story. Oh. Like, when they were 17? Yeah. Well, not 17, but yeah.

Her new memoir is called Be Ready When the Luck Happens. Worst name yet. Agreed. memoir is called be ready when the luck happens worst name yet agreed I think just like colloquially we should call it memoirs of an Ina if you're good with that uh memoirs of a Contessa or like barefoot dreams something I don't know anyways it's excerpted in um people magazine this week but also there was another excerpt did you see it a few weeks ago about her childhood that she like actually had a very like abusive like emotionally traumatic childhood and had like very cold mean parents oh my just like not what you would think yeah no i didn't see i'm not following the aina memoir memoir drop i'm not well she was working overtime running barefoot contest at her specialty store and jeffrey expected a wife that would make dinner, she told people.

There were certain roles that we played, and I found them really annoying. I felt that if I just hit the pause button, I would get his attention. At the time, she had quit her job in D.C., where she and Jeffrey both worked, in the White House. People don't know that, but I know you do. No, I had forgotten. Did she work there in a cooking capacity? No.

Oh, okay. I didn't know she was like the head chef for a president because like I'm getting I'm getting elected as president you could bring in like once a president comes in they read you the whole place or like interior design they take over make it their own home and like you obviously have a chef like I want Ina yeah no I wonder who was the president at the time and like now they're probably like rats right anyway so they moved to um they left DC to run Barefoot Contessa he stayed in DC and came to the Hamptons on the weekends she said when I bought Barefoot Contessa I shattered our traditional roles took

a baseball bat to them and left them in pieces this is part of her memoir while I was still cooking cleaning shopping managing at the store I was doing it as a businesswoman not a wife my responsibilities made it impossible for me to even think about anything else there was no expectation about who got home from work first and what they should do because I never got home from work when Jeffrey came on the weekends he was a distraction I didn't pay enough attention to him I just wanted everyone to leave me alone so I could concentrate on the store Jeffrey was fully formed in living the life he wanted to live I wasn't and I wouldn't be able to figure out who I was or what I wanted unless I was on my own. I needed that freedom.

She contemplated a divorce but instead asked for a separation. This book sounds dreadful. Like usually you release excerpts to like build up hype for your book and you take the juiciest parts. Like literally you send to People Magazine the juiciest parts of your book if you're a celebrity. And this is the juiciest part that like a million years ago they took like a three day break.

Who fucking cares? Literally, this memoir sounds horrible. I feel like that's juicy. They're like an institution. Who would have thought that they had any troubles? Everyone has troubles, literally. But I do think it's weird that like at one point in their marriage, they were living like completely separate lives

while still being married, like before even the separation. Jackie, there are a lot of things that are weird about Jeffrey and Ina's marriage. Like I think we all look at it and we're like there's something weird going on what this this is what she's sharing this is why it's weird no I'm telling you this book sounds this book sounds like propaganda oh my god not the Ina slander sorry I just I call it as I see it what's weird about their marriage you don't think they're a power couple like you guys know i seriously don't we'll have to talk offline then it's weird first of all like they never live together he's like always off at yale with the boys like it's weird

or princeton wherever it is that he teaches like is it normal to live completely separate from your husband for like 30 years no maybe that's the key to success that's not a marriage no that is so crazy i guess i never thought that they don't they don't live together every time on her show barefoot contestant jeffrey's home for the weekend yeah no you're right because he's a professor right and it's like it's just weird like she picked up her life and moved to the hampton like he never came wow okay her primary residence is his second vacation home what's his first princeton prince the Ina memoir job does in my opinion is not going well wow I thought it was like I feel like she could do no wrong I can't believe like there's an Ina hater in the world I didn't see by the way I like how I'm critical of Ina and suddenly I'm an Ina hater no but I feel like

people like are blindly loyal to Ina like seriously She's kind of like the Dua Lipa of the Food Network. She gives nothing personal. She's like, I'm inviting you into my home, Jeffrey, Jeffrey, Jeffrey. But the thing is, we know nothing about Ina. And based on the excerpt you just read to me, we're not learning more about her from her memoir. Wow.

Well, I have my own beef with Ina. I bought her cookbook called Go To Dinners because I just wanted a cookbook of all dinners because every other cookbook has like appetizers cocktails breakfast like everything and the book was categorized into like breakfast for dinner small you're kidding sex for dinner breakfast for dinner small dinners lunch and dinner that's yeah no that's that's again like Ina being deceptive yeah okay wow I didn't expect this to turn into an expose yeah and honestly I'm gonna put in a request like I don't want to hear any more about Iva's book

what if I read it I don't think I will I might have at another time but I'm so behind on my books like it's crazy if you are I'm in like three book clubs and I can't think I will. I might have at another time, but I'm so behind on my books. Like, it's crazy. If you are going to read it. I'm in like three book clubs and I can't keep up. Thank heavens you have an actual podcast to talk about your books. And if you're going to read Ina's memoir, like, please save it for the redheads. But it's a celebrity memoir. It's kind of crossover.

It's not. Based on what I'm hearing, it's not even remotely juicy. Wow. That's the big excerpt they sent to People Mag. Are you ready for our next story? Mm-hmm. Kacey Musgraves has teamed up with Reformation on a thoughtfully crafted collection,

and it's selling out fast. So Kacey Musgraves is doing kind of like a perfect collab for Miss Kacey Musgraves. She's also, I feel, laid dormant for a bit. But I do think, and even her album, I feel like sort of passed everyone by. She's on this tour now that's making a lot of waves. I feel like she's coming back into the fold. Mostly because she's doing covers that people are obsessed with.

Like she did a Chapel Roan. She did a SZA. And now her covers, the part of her show where she does covers is becoming like a highly anticipated, very much like secret songs. Like Kelly Clarkson. Oh, sure. Yeah, Kelly Oki. Yeah. But Kelly was doing that at her concerts before Kelly Oakey that's what inspired Kelly Oakey. But it wasn't making waves unfortunately. Within the Kelly community it was. Right but in a global sense

Kacey Musgraves is cover covers are like becoming highly anticipated like the surprise songs for Taylor. Good for her well her creative well isn't running dry anytime soon ahead of her tour she dipped a toe into her fashion design partnering with the Reformation on a fall ready collection so Reformation is like a women's brand like really cute um cottage for a while yeah clothing very feminine honestly Casey. It's not like they do collabs like this. Well, they just did Monica Lewinsky, vote.org. Right. Right. I forgot about that. Oh, I never forgot.

I want to stay forgetting. That was really, that was a crazy thing. So they pivoted for this collection to do something a little swirly and, you know, just cute. And it's super cute and really like great for Casey and great for Ref, as the kids call it. She has amazing style, Casey. Like she's always like one of my best stress for every award show, Met Gala.

And she's like in the fashion scene, she's been going to the Met Gala for a couple of years now. So I feel like this was a natural next step and love that it's like an accessible brand. It's not like, you know, Fendi. Yeah. And you like it's really cute stuff. I'm just taking a look if I need to snag anything I found a deeper well go Casey go Casey go Casey go are you ready for our fifth and final story which is answering a question that we've asked a couple times in the last few years where is Noah Centennial?

Oh, I haven't asked that question, but others have, yeah. We've been asking it in a professional sense, but also in a personal life sense. But Noah Centennial has like five girlfriends right now. I know, and it's like he's also paying Dumois to like talk about him. Yeah. By the way, nobody would have seen Noah Centennial's

the seven girlfriends of Noah Centennial if Dumois wasn't like a paid endorser of Noah Centennial. It's the weirdest thingineo's the seven girlfriends of Noah Centineo if Dumois wasn't like a paid endorser of Noah Centineo it's the weirdest thing it's the weirdest thing I need to know I need to know

what the relation between Dumois and Noah Centineo is because there was a time like yeah maybe we all needed to know who Noah Centineo was dating paparazzi following him around

the time is not now no but he's back out in the world he's spotted with a few young starlets like four different ones over the course of four different days i think there was like one he went to lunch and two in one night it was giving that episode of sex in the city where charlotte has like two dates she meets someone for coffee and then dinner and then she runs into the guy yeah like maybe he's ready to settle down he's's taking the aggressive approach. He's taking an aggressive approach

to finding a wife. I like it, even though I feel like he's, you know, getting papped isn't going to help you find a wife. And it's not making you look,

like, desirable. Yeah. It's just like, win a date with Noah Centennial. Literally, the seven girlfriends of Noah Centennial. In one the seven girlfriends of Noah Centennial. In one week.

And then we'll probably never hear from him again. Stas was one of them. I don't ship. I just want to say, I don't ship. Stas was one of them. I didn't not ship.

Why don't you ship? I think, like, Stas can do better. Wasn't she dating someone? Did they break up? The TikToker. Good.

I guess they did. Good. I don't know I just feel like when you're Kylie's best friend like like Noah Centineo is what do you know what I mean like for a minute he was everything to me and he was everything to a lot of us and now he's what nothing like Stas is everything I think she's settling yeah but it was only the one date yeah and I actually think like that one I read the photo. Like if the photo says a thousand words, it was reading his friendship.

You thought so? I don't know. She was like wearing like, I guess she was wearing like blue jeans. That's not really like a date look. Who do we ship Stass with? Oh, well, she is on the list. You know that. She runs in like a really fabulous circle.

Let me check the list. I love how she uses her celebrity to like meet guys and go on dates she's so relatable like okay I'm running in this fabulous circle how am I gonna leverage it she's become a content creator and I think she makes a really really good living from that I would do the same she's friends with Kylie and like we'll do like her that's her priority she'll drop everything I would do the. Like she really is one of us. Yeah. And I guess she wanted to go out with Noah Centineo.

So she did. Right. That's kind of where she loses me. I wouldn't use my celebrity to go out with Noah Centineo, but. I don't have anyone on the list for her, but maybe Lil Mosey. Maybe Lil Mosey.

The funny thing is, as much as we talk about Lil Mosey, if Lil Mosey came up to you on the street and like seriously slapped you in the face you would have no idea who he is let me see I just think of him as like Moises Arias oh that's so funny I think of him as who was that little rapper that like Tana Mongeau dated hold on you guys are gonna know what I'm talking about Lil Mosey's only he's 22 so he's a little young for Stas let me see what he looks like Lil Mosey with an s I thought it was with a z oh he's like Lil Xan by the way Lil Xan that's what I was thinking of by the way Lil Mosey's

like very good looking that's not at all what I thought he was gonna look like I thought he was gonna look like strung out like Lil Xan Lil Xan like Lil Xan is crazy looking and Lil Xan need to know Osiris too right yes I see Lil Xan and all I think is where are his parents uh Big Xans where in the world is Big Xan oh my god that's funny I seriously this is a rabbit hole i want to come back out of this is a rabbit hole i seriously like i never asked to be a part i don't want like my instagram serving me like lil xan content i i i hope my phone didn't hear me literally those are the

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I have recently I want to say Tell me if I'm overstepping Become like family With internet superstars Viral couple You may know them As Pookie and Jet

Her friends call her Campbell Campbell and Jet Welcome welcome to the toast. Oh, thank you. Yeah, we had a blast with you guys at the pillow bar the other night. You too. I have to say, watching your meteoric rise on social media was such a joy. Finding out you were a toaster, just cherry on top. And then getting to meet you guys and really seeing how you are so similar.

I think exactly what people would expect you to be like in real life is what you are. And that's not always the case with people who have that sort of viral success. So that's been such a delight to see. Yeah, I mean, our authentic love is the rocket fuel that makes it go. I mean, exactly what we show on social media is what we've been like for the last 10 years. So I am obviously familiar. There are people who listen to the show who don't have TikTok, which is so crazy. One of them is our host.

There are people who host the show. However, I am familiar. She is familiar. Quite familiar. But for those who may not, you had this insane viral moment at the beginning of this year. You've been making content for many years on TikTok. You and your husband make videos together, sharing your outfits. And he is kind of like your biggest fan, big hype man. And one of your videos went so viral and it was kind of just like this campaign that launched people being obsessed with you. Can you walk us through like exactly how it happened? Like from that one video, Pookie's looking absolutely fire tonight. It is so crazy. It's still crazy that it's like we get stopped all the time and people are like, we love you. And I'm

like me? Like it is just the craziest thing. We're so so grateful and I think just being able to put our love out there means everything but yeah it was back in December it was December of last year we kind of like we started posting together more and Jet has always been in my content a little bit on her Instagram stories yeah mainly on Instagram stories which you know expire and you can't really reach new people but I was like babe like people love this like we need to get you on the feed like we need to make this permanent we need to post on TikTok and so last fall we started posting on TikTok and you were I didn't have to tell him to do anything because he's legit literally just being himself you were such a star yeah it's I am like, I'm the backup dancer.

I don't have to do much because. Yeah. I mean, the main thing that changed was she was really like an OG Instagram girl doing all the photos for years. And I mean, she had an agent. She was making a good living. I mean, it was a real business already. But it was mostly photo based and it was mostly Instagram based. And it was mostly her by herself.

Then in the fall of last year, we switched to doing mostly video, doing it mostly together instead of just her. And I mean, it took off pretty much immediately from when we made that switch. And by December, we knew our life had changed forever. And you guys actually got to a level where something that had been quoted in your video became a part of popular culture. You know, Reese Witherspoon said, Pookie's looking absolutely fire-turning. I believe Jimmy Fallon said it too. I can't even, like, first of all, I, so jealous. So happy for you. So jealous. How does that, like, how does it, how do you experience it, right? Like, all this is something you're not doing anything new, but all of a sudden, everyone is listening. How do you even grapple with that? I mean, we've gotten used to it. It's just become our new normal. But yeah, I mean, like, for example, one night we were in New York,

you know, early on when the explosion was happening i think it was fashion week in february we get back to the hotel room and like that night sylvester stallone had just recreated one of our videos yeah and it's just that's that's just our new normal like stuff like that happens all the time and i don't know we're just so grateful for it uh it doesn't yeah it doesn't it's not it you might he takes it better than i do i'm just like oh no like i am. He takes it better than I do. I'm just like, oh no. Like I am constantly, I'm like the most paranoid person. So I'm just like, oh my God, like this, it can't be me like type thing. Like I'm, I think I'm very, I'm obviously, I'm very humble and I'm very grateful, but it is so surreal. It's like the most surreal feeling to think that people want to be like you. Or when someone says that you inspire me, it's just like, that is the best thing that you could possibly

hear from someone. That's the number one thing they say, actually. You know, when we were out in public in any hotel lobby, restaurant, walking down the sidewalk, we meet all these different followers. I mean, you saw the way it was like at Polo Bar. All these people come up to us constantly. And that's actually one of the best parts of it because they say the nicest things, such as we inspire them to find the type of love that we have. Or if they're already in a relationship, they'll say we give them hope to build the type of love we have in their pre-existing relationship. We have people cry. I mean, a couple of weeks ago, we had a girl crying so much, she was shaking. And her parents then started crying with her because she was with her parents

and she was like 18 years old. But you know what? And I think, Jackie, remind me if I'm correct. When you guys had went viral, we had said on the podcast, I think Jackie said this was like, it's really so fabulous that you guys are getting popular and people are looking up to a relationship that,

you know, you have so much respect for your wife. You respect the business that she built. You hype her up so much. I think that's the type of, Jackie, remind me exactly what you said,

but that's really the type of examples I think young people should be looking up to. I think they're great examples and I think virality in general, it's like, and Jackie, remind me exactly what you said, but that's really the type of examples I think young people should be looking up to. I think they're great examples. And I think virality in general, it's like, you know, a product of modernity, but you guys really hold up like traditional values and so many things that people should aspire to. So I think like you guys doing your thing, which is just like online in such a modern space, it's a really nice dichotomy, but you bring that into like the digital space

and it's really nice to see because we don't see so much of that all the time. But I think you guys are such good role models. And do you recognize that about yourself and like take that seriously? I imagine that you do. Absolutely, very seriously. We're trying to put love in the world.

We're trying to put positivity in the world. We're trying to put family values into the world. And everyone gets that. Like that's what they all say when they come up and meet them. And also when we meet not just fans, but we meet our peers in the industry, just like yourself or Ben, like you guys, Jackie, like you get that. It's been consistent. Every time we've met, like, a social media peer, they all say that.

And they say that they appreciate that we are, you know, a beacon of positivity in a social media landscape that desperately needs that and, frankly, in a world that needs it. A thousand percent. Yeah. I mean, we, people tell us that like seeing our video made their day and just that like, will literally bring you to tears. You're like, how could I make your day? How could we, you know, saying that like showing our love makes someone's day. It's because it really is like a, it gives you hope or it gives you joy. It does. I think for a lot of women, they look up and really want to find someone who has respect for them, who wants to be a provider and be a good husband and, you know, congratulations father one day. Like, I think that it's so, you guys are so unique in that. There are couples obviously that everybody

knows and likes, but you guys really have this very beautiful love. And I have to say, I want to get into like your whole love story because I had heard about it in person and I think it's really interesting but I think so much of your success and the intrigue around you is I can say with the utmost confidence Jet I have never met someone like you you are yeah I've never met someone like you either thank you you are so unique and I was trying to explain to Jackie she was like what were they like and I'm like you know Jet you really feel like you're from another time period. And you say things that I've never heard anyone say. Like, when we were having cocktails, you had this gorgeous drink. We cheers, and you said, let the good times roll.

Yeah, that's one of my life sayings. I say it all the time. I love that. It's such an underrated saying. Yeah. I mean, the world could go so sideways tomorrow. We have to enjoy it while we can, all of us. Yeah.

So tell me, like, how you became to be the person that you are, how you grew up. You're very confident. You're very confident. You're very respectful. You're just really an anomaly to a lot of people. Yeah, so, I mean, I was born in Atlanta, but I grew up in a small town called Rome, Georgia, in northwest Georgia. You know, come from a middle-class family. Campbell also comes from a small town, middle-class family in southern Illinois. But, yeah, for me, I grew up in north Georgia, went to University of Georgia for undergrad, had a kind of a quintessential SEC college experience,

was awesome. Very quintessential. I mean, I've always, I was extremely academic back then. I mean, I was valedictorian of my high school, I was valedictorian of Georgia. Wow. So back then, I was, I mean, I had a great time in college, but I was also very, very serious academically. Yeah. And then I, right out of undergrad, I got my MBA at Wharton. I got my law degree at UPenn. That's when I met Campbell. It was about halfway through that three-year JD MBA program. And it was love at first sight, just like what we portray on social media. It's exactly the way it was. I mean, I just walked into the prettiest girl at a wine bar in Philadelphia, introduced myself, and six months later, bought the ring. And we just had this unbelievable

fairytale together for the last 10 years. I mean I I actually call my life uh BC before Campbell I mean it really is like 10 lifetimes ago like we Campbell and I just since we've been together have been through many different lifetimes in the last 10 years or so um but yeah all that before that was before before Campbell um yeah we're just we're just so lucky and so grateful for each other and always have been. You know, I remember when you guys were going viral and there was a lot of intrigue around, like, who's Jet? And people had started to infiltrate your LinkedIn. And they were sharing screenshots of the fact that you were so educated, right? You have undergraduate.

You have a law degree. You got an MBA from Wharton, the best business school in the country. And people were like, you know, that's the exact type of – I think those are values and things that, like, people don't necessarily think of. Like, when I'm with my husband, like, that's the exact type of, I think those are values and things that like people don't necessarily think of. Like when I'm with my husband, like that's not what they think of. But I think it really inspired a lot of people to sort of get back to basics, like in things like having an amazing job and you have your own business. Like you really are, and this is one of my favorite phrases and I mean it, like I always say I'm not like other girls.

You are really not like other men. Well, I suppose. Again, I think you're an unbelievably unique person as well. Certainly, we're gonna have a lot of fun together. And Ben is extremely unique also. Well, we said on the podcast today that you are the non-Jewish version of Ben. If Ben grew up in the South. If Ben grew up in the South, it would be Jet. Yeah, Ben and I hit it off, no doubt. I mean, it's so funny that at dinner the other night, like he and I almost ended up having our own dinner. Then you guys almost had your own dinner,

even though we were at one table. We spent half the dinner just watching you guys because you're both – you're just sort of oozing with personality. Well, as are you. Come on. Well, of course, of course. Whereas Pookie's more shy and reserved. Yeah, I am. He carries the team on that front.

Do you feel like you're shy or you're just like – because I didn't get the vibe that you were shy at all. I just got the vibe that you are – She's very demure. Exactly. Like, exactly. Like, you keep to yourself. Like, you have a lot to say, but you're just, you're not going to offer it up on a plate for just anyone. Yeah.

No, I think that's true. I think that one of the reasons why, like, our relationship works so well is because we really do both, like, I let him be him and he lets me be me. And I love, you know, your qualities and you love my qualities. And we truly balance each other out. Like we don't compete. Like we are just the most supportive people for one another. And we both have, you know, big dreams and aspirations.

But there's, he is my biggest fan and I'm his biggest fan. And that's kind of what makes this work. And I think everyone should, you know, you know, I want everyone to find the love that we have. That's like my biggest goal for humanity is to find love. It's just like the greatest thing in the world. And I think also when people see your content, they realize it exists, you know,

because everybody like wants a fairy tale relationship. But then when you don't see it every day, you're like, oh, that's just in fairy tales. And I think that's why so many people like hold on to what they see you guys put out because they're like, oh my God, this is real and I could find it and it could happen. Totally. Right. Yeah. I mean, that's all you want. Like being truly loved is the best thing in the world. Right. And yeah, I'm just even like every day, I'm just like, how did I get so lucky? But I think you also have to

be confident in yourself to know that you deserve that. You do deserve to be loved. And if you don't feel that way, then you should. It's hard, though. We've said for 10 years that we thought it was divine intervention, how we met. Tell us the story. Yeah, so again, she's an Ole Miss girl from a small town in southern Illinois. She was a flight attendant based in Philly when I was in grad school.

And I literally just walked up at the prettiest girl at a wine bar called Tria Wine Bar. We just went back about a month ago, actually. And I just saw her and was like, wow, okay, yeah, that looks like what I'm looking for. So I walked right up to her. I don't know what I said. You know, cheesy pickup lines don't get you anywhere. I just introduced myself. And, yeah, six months later, I bought the ring.

Ten months later, we were engaged. And then here about ten years later, we're happily married, first baby on the way. God willing, we'll have more. But, yeah, we do believe it was divine intervention that put us together because it's so unlikely that a guy from a small town in Georgia and a girl from a small town in southern Illinois would end up in Philadelphia at the same time. It's so true. Where were you living at the time, Campbell?

Were you in Philadelphia living there? I was living in West Philadelphia. Like Fresh Prince of Bel-Air opening scene, you know, like in the intro to Fresh Prince where he says, you know, West Philadelphia, born and raised, and you have like the footage of like all the chaos and crime. I mean, she was living in West Philadelphia. What was your first impression of him? This guy comes up to you.

It's obviously well-dressed. You don't remember what you said, but do you remember what your impression of him was? Well, he did have a black eye. That's true. He had a black eye. But I thought he was really cute. I found out eventually like he played rugby. That's how he got the black eye. Oh, interesting. So many layers. Yeah. No, I thought he was really cute. I found out eventually, like, he played rugby. That's how he got to walk away.

Oh, interesting. So many layers. Yeah. No, I thought he was really cute. But we actually didn't, like, we did have, like, a rough patch. Did you? It wasn't all, like, rainbows and butterflies. We once broke up for six hours.

Six hours. Were they agonizing? We had a wedding at the Notre Dame Basilica, actually. Oh, the Basilica. So, yeah, one of my, well, it was actually at the reception. But the wedding had literally been in the Notre Dame Basilica. One of my Wharton buddies was getting married. This was only a few months in.

It was the only time we ever broke up. And then we literally broke up at that reception in front of, like, 300 people. And then the next morning everyone was like, y'all got back together, right? And I'm like, yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah, we both – I think we both knew that we wanted it to work so badly. And he was really, like, trying like trying hard to like make everything perfect.

And so was she. We were both trying too hard. We were kind of like not butting heads, but almost just like this is it. Like trying too hard almost. We weren't relaxing and being our normal selves. And then, yeah, we had this moment where's like this, this moment where we kind of needed to have like a fight. Breakthrough.

Yeah. Come to Jesus. Yeah. And literally from that moment onward, it's just been magic the whole time. And we just, I mean, you want to be with somebody where you can be your totally authentic self all the time. And that's exactly what we have. And that was the night where that really started happening.

Yes. Yeah. It's so hard to do, especially we were young. Like I was only 23 when we met and I had like a couple of serious relationships, but nothing, you joked that you had to like teach me the, like I, we were being a taxi and I would be like on this side and he would be on this side and he'd be like, no, you need to sit next to me and we need to hold hands. Yeah. I mean, Campbell had never been in love before so she'd never had a real relationship before so she literally just didn't know how to be a girlfriend it was it was

crazy to me i didn't i like wanted to show my affection but i didn't really know how or like i didn't want to be that girl that was just like right i'm obsessed yeah yeah so i just kind of did the least like i didn't text him back or, you know, she was strategically wait like a couple hours and it's like, Hey, I'm a busy guy. I've got things to do. Like I need to go to make plans. Like, come on. And so, yeah, we went through that kind of awkward, you know, kind of games stage the first couple of months. Then you had the six hour break up at the wedding. And from there it's been a, it's been bliss. It really has. Now with this new life, you guys have, you've always done content creation. You said you were making a living totally fine doing that before.

Obviously, now it's on another level. And I know that you still work and have your own job, but I imagine your background in business, like you literally said you went to Wharton, has been immensely helpful during this time trying to feel – especially, I think, at the beginning of the year when it was really going viral. I'm sure every brand, every show, every podcast. How did you – were you integral in navigating that? Do you guys work together on your business? Oh, of course. Yeah. We're a total team, 100%. I mean, the first thing we had to do was build a team around us, right? Like one of the first things you learn in business is you're only as good as your team. So all these different agents,

managers, lawyers, PR people from, you know, mostly from Beverly Hills, Hollywood area, we're just reaching out just like vultures. I mean, literally the vultures started circling instantly as soon as the explosion happened. And so we spent like two weeks interviewing basically every agent, every manager, every lawyer, and ultimately, you know, built our team and we've continued to grow the team from there. And then, you know, we have a lot of exciting things that are happening. We're going to be launching our own merch soon which we hope to become you know a standalone fashion brand already know the name of it and all that and trademarks have already been submitted and everything so don't even try we won't we won't we won't break that i don't i don't think on the toast um but yeah that's coming and that's that's been really exciting yeah it's been it's been

a long time coming which we definitely could not have done it without each other. Of course. We have both different skill sets. But yeah, I definitely lean on him to, you know, give me. I mean, it's like having like a, I mean, Wharton, like if I had someone living with me who went to Wharton, I would ask him a thousand questions a day. You know? Yeah, I'm constantly finding out new facts. Jet has like a literally encyclopedia.

Well, you know, you and I talked about this at dinner, and I really commended you because there are a lot of people who have huge moments, right, on social media, TikTok specifically. I feel like there's always something happening. And when you're at that peak, what you do at that peak will set you up for the next, you know, 5, 10, however long it can be, years. And I feel like you really did such a good job

of making that moment last and setting yourself up you really did such a good job of making that moment last and setting yourself up because you're such a great content creator. I think like just as a girl, like your outfits are fire. You're so good with like the affiliates and linking and premium content. And I think that you really used that stage that you were given in that platform. You were given so well to like really set yourself up to have like a flourishing business for many years. And so I really commend you for that because I think it's hard at that level there's like a lot of pressure when it's happening you're like you know this isn't going to last forever how do I make the most of it and I'm like was that a conscious choice of yours did you say like I a lot of people would like launch

a podcast do a million things but you stuck with what you were doing which was content creation I feel like it really paid off for you it did for sure yeah there's there's so many like different avenues you can go down but I think just honestly having built the following that I built before all this happened, I'm so grateful for the girls that have been with me literally for years. And there's so many of them. And I love you guys. But they shop. They want to know what you're wearing.

They're asking for where something's from. And I just have such a good base of women that follow me. And I try to cater to them and what they want to see. But also just staying true to yourself. Like we really just wanted to put our love out there. I think that's still what we want to do. And we don't have all the answers. But yeah, we have big aspirations and big dreams. But we don't have all the answers but yeah there's we have big aspirations

and big dreams but we don't really know where that's going to take us like what we do know is like we have each other and we have this love that we want to put out there like we want to make a difference in the world that sounds so cliche no it's beautiful world peace like but no we really do we really do want that and we want well we want to be a source of love and positivity for people and we want to show people what a relationship can be the money like is nice it's nice but honestly like the best thing about what we do is like when people really do say like you have given me hope or you've given me this inspiration for a better life or you know to find love and that's what we want for everyone so i think just leaning into that is like the best thing we could possibly do.

Jackie, I know you have like a bunch of mama pregnancy questions. I'm gonna let you get to that. So before you do, let me just ask my really annoying questions like, cause I need the tea. You guys have this insanely viral moment. Tell me like the level of people

who are sliding into your DMs. Like I'm sure you've heard from. Yeah, or like what's the craziest thing that you experienced through all of this? Oh my gosh, there's been so many crazy things. I mean, just off this? Oh my gosh, there's been so many crazy things. Yeah. I mean, just off the top of my head, like, we were in New York several months ago, I remember exactly when, and we were, like, scheduled to fly out that night, and then Selena Gomez's team reaches out,

and she's like, hey, like, love for Judd and Campbell to come meet me, I'll be at this event, and so maybe two hours later, you know, we're with Selena, and I'm telling Selena she looks absolutely fire. Oh my god, i'm dead yeah that was wild that was a funny one um she's like the sweetest person uh one of campbell's like kind of you know uh celebrities or that she looks up to especially from a business standpoint would be hayley beaver of course and uh she also loves hayley style and so we were at a party around coachella it was like an invitation only celebrity type party i don't remember exactly what it was but we were there and we everyone's having a good time and then all of a sudden we turned to our left and there's Haley there's Justin and Haley immediately you know recognized Pookie yeah one of their like a couple of their friends like recognized us and like called us over and we're like no I'm gonna like pass away yeah for Campbell that was a big deal because

Haley really is one of our idols yeah yeah, no, that was really – that was crazy. And then just recently – Oh, Phil Mickelson. Oh, my God, Ben would die. So Phil Mickelson reached out and invited us to play golf with him. Our schedules didn't work out yet. Hopefully we can work it out. It is kind of hard with Vicky being pregnant. Right, but also not enough people know.

You told me this. You played golf like as a collegiate athlete. Well, she could have. She had like 20 D1 scholarship offers. She turned it all down to have a normal sorority girl life at Ole Miss. But yeah, she is an amazing golfer. That's so crazy. She used to be actually really good.

I believe it. Yeah, she was the captain of the team in Illinois that won state in the highest classification in Illinois. And I mean, yeah, she actually has a course record in Illinois. Let's go. She shot a 32 on nine holes in a state tournament. Damn. And Ben was saying, Ben says, that's amazing.

Yeah, I'm like, damn. Yeah. No, Ben said it was like an insane score. It is insane. You tell everyone that. Well, because it's an insane fact. He's proud of you. He's proud of you.

I am her biggest hype man. You are. She's so humble. She wouldn't tell anybody. No, you're so sweet. I mean, her swing is, I mean, it's so pure. It's crazy. Actually, Ben commented that.

Yep. That's when I knew Ben was like a real golf fan because he could appreciate her swing yeah but yeah we're so busy now we barely play we've played like twice since you got to play with phil mickelson we do we'd love to work that out with phil hopefully it does i don't know if we'll do it before the birth or not and phil actually it's a random thing but phil's actually my all-time favorite golfer oh wow growing up kind of the between phil and tiger and we love both and we've actually been to some of Tiger's biggest wins So we love both but Phil is my number one golfer My number one golfer is Rory McIlroy

And I don't even know who that is But I heard his name once and then I was in Scottsdale Arizona and I flew home and I told Ben that I sat next to Rory McIlroy on the flight because it was kind of believable I don't know why I just like but you didn't you know, I did it. No, I didn't I just made it up Classic and he believed me. And like seriously, when I told him I was lying, I think he like regretted marrying me. He was like, why did you?

Like I just like lied for no reason, you know? You do that all the time. I'm going to pass it over to you. Get your pregnancy mama questions, concerns, comments out. I will. I have just one question for Jeff because did you always call Campbell Pookie? Like when did you come up with call Campbell Pookie? Like when did you come up with the nickname Pookie? Was it like a genesis over time? Good question. Yeah,

great question. It's one of the top questions we get. It is. And I feel like it's one of those things that you feel like you've said so many times, but. I started calling her Pookie within like a couple of weeks of knowing her. And is that a play on your last name? Like. No, it's just, she's a Pookie. I mean, look at her. She's a princess. She's such a pookie. She's a princess. She's a pookie. It's just the perfect name for her. I think that's part of the reason it went so viral. Because it literally is just the perfect name for her.

It really is. And do you find, I asked you this and I think your answer was really interesting. Do you find it bizarre that this name that was something special between you two is now your... I think there are a lot of people who follow you who don't even know your name is Campbell. Yes, most people that come up to me they obviously say pookie and then some people say I'm so sorry, I think there are a lot of people who follow you don't even know your name is Campbell. Yes. Most people that come up to me, they obviously say Pookie. And then some people say, I'm so sorry. I don't know your name. And I was like, no, don't worry about it. I don't care. But no, it is, it is funny. Cause like when you see like Pookie and Jet, you're like,

okay, yes. But like Campbell and Jet. Yeah. Like I do, I used to hate my name actually, Campbell. I feel like growing up, but I love it now. But now I rarely hear my name, Campbell. It's always Pookie. I can't lie. When I call you Campbell, I have to like seriously take a second. Take a second. Yeah. I make a conscious effort because I feel like it's like kind of disrespectful.

No, it's hard. I mean, I've been calling her Pookie a hundred times a day for 10 years. Yeah. Yeah. But when you say Campbell, it's mostly like something like. That means I'm mad at her. Campbell. Or that or like you're in like, it's like deep. Yes. means I'm mad at her Campbell or that or like

you're in like it's like deep yes yes like yeah true yes if we're having like a very serious discussion um but in general I call her Peaky all the time it's the best name yeah okay so yes no I have so many mama questions because I'm so happy for you and I want to know like how many how many weeks are you now I am 29 weeks how are you feeling how has your pregnancy been it's been a lot um it's been great honestly like it it has been great I have felt so good like the last three months I guess or so I felt amazing I felt I had like you know the first trimester I was sick and I was literally at Coachella and like stagecoach and Sports Illustrated while I was pregnant when people didn't know so I was just like that sober girl she was literally sober for Coachella which

I'm like so quiet so like me you know being sober is an interesting time around a bunch of other people. Yeah, you start realizing things. Like everything is boring. Yeah. Like everyone is boring too. Yeah, she's been a trooper. I mean, she, you know, she basically felt hungover during the first trimester without being hungover. I think this is kind of how you feel. I think maybe she's a little lucky it wasn't, you know, worse than that because it certainly is for some women. Yeah. But then in the second trim trimester like she flipped a switch and she's been like totally herself no I have been so blessed the last few months to feel amazing that's great and now that I'm into the third trimester like I'm kind of just waiting for something to like kick my ass like I don't want to be that person that's just like at home but I'm sure eventually I will be. And thankfully I've had you to like literally be by my side and having

someone to like bounce off of is so much better than just doing it by yourself. Like we, I don't think I pregnant, I could have done all this by myself. No, of course. And because you guys work together,

like you can put some of the load onto him, which is really nice. Yes. Thank you, babe. We're the ultimate team. But yeah, I guess I'm going to come in handy. Oh, thank you babe we're the ultimate team um but yeah i guess i'm gonna come in handy

oh thank you um we are getting rehab we're getting close yeah the we we have had like a few scares and just like little things that you don't realize when you're until you go through being pregnant that there are so many other things that can happen you just think about the giving birth they're like are you scared to give birth i'm like I literally haven't even thought about it no and it's like you'd be so grateful just to get there yeah I just want to get there yeah um because people tell you so many different things and then you know the doctors they're like you they can just scare you and you're like I didn't even know that I could be scared about that when it comes to your personal style and like evolving pregnancy wise how are you like dressing up the bump? What's your philosophy? Are you buying

pregnancy clothes? Are you buying regular clothes just a couple sizes up? Yeah I think I'm just buying bigger clothes. I'm not really wearing anything maternity. I like to show off the bump if I can but then I'll wear like something oversized like this is like tight and then oversized. It just yeah gives you a little more comfort but um i i love bump style yeah and i literally think piggy looks like hotter than ever he like pregnancy has looked so amazing on her i mean it's been insane it really has um it's very sweet and i agree it is sweet it's also like the sweetest thing whenever you really do not feel cute yeah and someone is telling you that you look amazing i'm just like are you blind no like so sweet it is so sweet and you have done like the best job at like building

me up and it's it really is pretty easy babe because it's true i'm obsessed no it's just like you feel like you're like you don't look the same right but obviously it's a major it's a mind bending thing like to change so much in such a short period of time and like it's also beautiful but like still you're you and like you're you have a whole closet full of clothes that like are made for you but you can't really get into them like you used to like it's definitely a lot to wrap your head around it is while also like having heightened emotions and like chemically changing hormonal for sure i'm just like jackie you've had kids right i had two boys yeah yeah i thought so It is. While also like having heightened emotions and like chemically changing. Hormonal. For sure. I'm just like.

Jackie, you've had kids, right? I have two boys, yeah. Yeah, I thought so. That's great. Yeah, I can only imagine like the things that you will say to our child. Right. I really just can't even imagine. The nicknames. The nicknames.

I know. PJ, Pookie Jr. I'm already thinking about the nicknames. People have coined nicknames on Pooklet, Pooket. Pooklesh. People also give predictions like, oh, if it's a boy, it's going to be one of these 10 names. If it's a girl, it's going to be one of these 10 names.

Are they close? Are they going to share gender? I will say some of the names they've come up with were actually really good. They were good. I believe it. Okay. Add it to the list. Have you shared the gender?

No, we haven't. But you guys know. Yes. We'll probably announce that in a couple weeks. Oh, nice. added to the list have you shared the gender no we haven't but you guys know yes what what do you announce that in a couple weeks oh nice what do you guys call the baby just between like not their name or anything but do you have a nickname for the baby like in utero a lot of people have like an in utero name this baby that's good easy to the point yeah jet is always very concerned with the baby he's like all hands on deck.

He's like, something wrong? Like, let's go to the hospital. I'm like, no, we're good. If Piki gets a scratch on her at any time, I freak out. Like, Piki's everything to me. So, yeah, I can't stand the idea of anything being wrong with her, even a scratch. Yeah, he really does care almost more than I do. And I'm just like, thank God. That's amazing.

Because you really are just right there all the time like asking if I need anything and it's a lot to go through yeah no anyone that does it on them by themselves I'm just like you are literally a hero totally yeah well listen you guys your first duo podcast being here truly means the world you guys are a delight seriously we wish only the best for you when you come to New York and you don't text me and Ben like we will be upset and we will be offended yeah no looking forward to hanging out with you guys again for for sure. And you know, to many more dinners, hopefully post PJ Pookie Jr. So Pookie Sr. can have a cocktail. Yes. Yeah. I'm actually having a cocktail delivered to the hospital. So our favorite restaurant in Atlanta, our favorite

steakhouse is called Hal's and her drink is the extra dirty bleached olive martini. And I've already arranged that that will be delivered to the hospital i'll be able to have like a sip yeah just yeah just one if you have one you're yeah you're done so i'll have a sip yeah they're loaded well i just adore you guys i know the toasters who are going to listen to this episode will too thank you so much for being here jacks thanks for you know tuning in from a thousand miles away we love you love you guys for listening we'll see you on the next one have a great day love you bye