The Toast - We Are Not Dating: Monday, March 20th, 2023

Episode Date: March 20, 2023

Inside Ariana Madix's first public appearance since 'Scandoval' (Page Six) (30:17) Law Roach on the reasons behind his sudden retirement from celebrity fashion styling (The Cut) (35:28) Shawn Mendes addresses Sabrina Carpenter dating rumors (Page Six) (45:32) Bad Bunny Seemingly Disses Kendall Jenner's Ex Devin Booker on New Song (PEOPLE) (52:40) Family of Stephen Smith Raises Money To Exhume His Body (PEOPLE) (1:00:54) The Toast with Jackie (@JackieOshry) and Claudia Oshry  (@girlwithnojob)  Merch The Toast Patreon Girl With No Job by Claudia OshrySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Good morning, Millennials. Welcome back to The Toast. Happy Monday. I know it's not the greatest news, but listen, we're here for you. Claude's here for you. Jax is here for you. Turd is here for you. It's going to be okay.

Turd is here. Yeah, it's another Monday, but we're here to help you through. It's going to be a great show. In Florida, it's like cozy weather today, so I'm wondering. I have to ask myself the big question. I couldn't help but wonder should I make a chili? Well I'm scarred for you know a good amount of time before I allow another chili in my home given beans gate last week. I mean I had experienced chili gate back in December which kind of turned me off to chili for a while.

If you know, you know, patrons will remember. But it's March and I haven't had a chili since December. I feel like I might be ready for one. I will never discourage anyone from making a chili. You want to know why? It feeds the soul. It's so nourishing. It's so nourishing. It's so nourishing.

It feeds a family for quite some time. You throw it in the freezer. You always have leftovers. It makes your home smell good. I'll never discourage literally any sort of effort to make a chili. Yeah, and now that I just drive every day because I'm just a driver, I can just go and get my ingredients. Isn't that so fun, the freedom that having a license gives you?

Like you were a prisoner up until this point. I know. I actually might get another manicure today because this one is chipping. She's crazy. Because it wasn't very good and now I'm just going to like have a manicure every week again. Crazy. Oh, you know, I took an Uber yesterday

and I was chatting with my driver, a lovely man, and he was really asking questions about Theo. And he was telling me that the Tesla, it was a Tesla Uber. Sorry, I forgot that important fact. He was telling me that the Tesla has a dog mode. So like, you know, you're not supposed to leave kids or dogs in cars alone. But if you need to run in somewhere and Bruno's with you, Tesla has a dog mode that like saves the energy of the car, but circulates the air, turns the screen off so they can't touch anything. You should check it out. Oh, I should. That's good to know.

I love hearing like positive, fun things about the Tesla. Because always non-Tesla drivers are like, haters, Tesla's doing this and Tesla's doing that. It's like, you're just not a part of the club. So yeah, no, I'd be pressed to. Yeah, no, you're hating from outside the club. Yeah, because so far, just a little Tesla update. I've had it for a few weeks, but then it was like I had to get my charger installed,

waiting for the electrician. He didn't have a part, blah, blah, blah. What is with nobody ever having parts? Nobody has the right parts if they have the part. Whether they come to fix the oven, like anything, it's like, oh, we got to order the part. Well, it's like we brought the part, but we brought the wrong part. Wrong part, always. Like, where are the parts?

No, it's always the wrong part. But now it's been like a week of having charger. My charger is charging on my Tesla. And it's been an amazing experience so far. Okay, good. So far, I'm so happy with my decision. I need to like, oh my God, something's so annoying, which I'm so happy with my decision I need to like oh my god something's so annoying which I'm gonna figure out it's like you have driver profiles so like when you come you could like set up a little profile and the steering wheel and the seat and the what's the

other thing the windows will be uh attuned to you but then like it logged me out of Spotify when I made my profile and so every time I get in the car I log into Spotify and then every time I get in the car, I log into Spotify. And then every time I get in the car again, like I'm logged out. It's like I was listening to the radio this weekend. It was all commercials. It was torture. And Harry was in the car with me and he was like, mom, this is bullshit. This is unacceptable. I need some smooth tunes.

I was like, I know he needs some smooth jazz. Yeah. Like I don't want to be listening to these chaotic fucking radio commercials. How is Harry? I really this is one of the longest I've gone without seeing seeing him when was the last time I was at your house like January when were you at my house even January no right before I went to LA January no no you were here in February okay well it still feels like a really long time but what were you here for in February was it the surprise oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

the surprise week yeah I really like I'm I'm struggling every morning I wake up and I'm like what if I just got on a flight what if you just like we would love to have you. Harry would love to see you. He's really been craving Antiqua and energy. I really like I'm obsessed. I really miss him. And Kayla needs me. They all Bruno needs you.

Bruno needs Theo. Bruno needs me. He doesn't need Theo. He needs me. No, but he needs to like jockey for he needs the competition. You know, he needs to be kept on his toes he's getting a little too comfortable and I know it's just like he likes that rivalry every couple of weeks like I get this itch you know to see my family it's very normal of me and actually my itch was exasperated this weekend while I was so alone I was alone all weekend.

And on Friday night, I was just like, I should have made plans. Like for when I forget, like when Ben's out of town, I'm always like, oh, it'll be nice. I'll have the place to myself and I'll read and take a bath. And like, you know, I never do that. I watch TikTok. You read and take a bath and then what? Like those. It's like 15 minutes. Yeah.

And I spiral. And like on Friday night, I was so lonely, like next level lonely. And then I opened my phone and like you and Olivia, I was so lonely, like next level lonely. And then I opened my phone and like you and Olivia are like having a barbecue and we're outside and the kids and Zach's flipping burgers. And I was like, these people are disgusting. And I like was spiraling on Friday night.

You wanna know how desperate I got? I started to watch Daisy Jones and the Six. That should tell you everything you need to know. And were we right? Well, you know, I hated that book. Like, and everyone loved it. I hated it. And comparatively to the book, I'm enjoying the show more.

I don't think it's very good. I think there's some really good moments from it. Like, I think Cammy Marone is a star. Like, the show is, and in the book, her character, you're like, you kind of hate her. Because you're like, she's the other woman woman you know yeah she's like this she's like this obstacle but in the show she's like the cornerstone of the band like she's the glue and she's such a good actress I don't think I've ever seen her in anything and this is definitely like a major breakout role for her she's excellent Suki Waterhouse who who plays Karen, the drummer. Keyboard. No, keyboard.

She's incredible. A lot of people were saying that Suki Waterhouse should have dyed her hair red and been cast as Daisy because she's really like electric. But the two main stars, Billy Dunn and Daisy Jones, I am enormously disappointed in. I think, I don't know if it's Riley Keough or like the way that they created the Daisy Jones character, but in the book, Daisy Jones is like this wild electric red hair. Like everyone is drawn to her. She's like this wild girl. And she like, you know, she wins people over with her electricity, right? She's like electric. Yeah. But she's also like the most beautiful, the most talented, like voices like silk, you know. None of that is coming through like whatsoever.

I don't know if we're supposed to like Daisy. She seems like kind of off. I don't know if it's bad acting. I don't know if it's bad character development from like the show and the script. It's not good, the character. And then Billy is so miscast. He's so old. Everyone, it's supposed to be like these young, crazy kids.

He looks 45. I don't think he's classically handsome enough for the role. He's supposed to be this like all American rock star, young kid, not working. So the two main characters are kind of like flopping. And I think some of the supplemental people in the band who are kind of irrelevant in the book are really carrying the show. I'm only on episode five. It's not great. It's fine. I think a lot of people are liking it who like loved the book and just are excited to see the book come to life. And in a lot of ways, the visuals of the TV show are kind of how I pictured the book. You know, they're living in this house together, LA, you know, 60s, Laurel Canyon, Hollywood Hills. They did get a lot of the

aesthetic, right? It's not hard to get right like it was very clear what it was in the book um but it's not great it's not great that sounds exactly like I expected I I didn't find the casting to be on point enough and you know what Riley Keough being Elvis's granddaughter is not enough to carry her in this role. Like it's like it's exciting and it adds another element of like rock and roll. But it's not enough. No, I didn't think so either. It's just like a fun fact. It wasn't right.

No. And a lot of people were saying Miley Cyrus should have been Daisy Jones. And you know what? I really could see it. That's good. Yeah. Because I said in my stories, I wasn't thrilled with how it turned out.

And people were like, well, who do you want to be Daisy Jones? Like, I'm complaining. Come up with a better solution. And I didn't have any. But then people started suggesting what they thought. And a lot of people said Miley Cyrus. Oh my God, for sure.

Because she really is at her core an actress. A lot of people forget that. She is that like Stevie Nicks vibe. That's really how she's branded herself. It like a modern you know she's always covering like joan jett yeah but she that's daisy jones and the six is meant to be like stevie nicks and fleetwood mac like miley yeah no it was a really good call damn that's so annoying when that happens it's like you're fucked up and it's too late I will say though the song that's like you know the song there's a bunch of songs but there's the one honeycomb I'm really enjoying oh really like

what did we get here hey working out it's a really good song it does really sound like Fleetwood Mac damn that I would be like I'm sad to miss out on like good music and a show that's like a musical show is good not only do I not have the time even if I did it's so far down on the list of things that pique my interest. You wouldn't like it. You would not like it. No, I saw the trailer and I was like, I actually liked the book and this doesn't look like a show I would enjoy. Yeah, but that is like a plus in their column. That song is so good.

I think Marcus Mumford wrote it. Marcus Mumford and Maren Morris are on the album. So like that makes sense. How did we get here? I don't know the words, but every time it comes on, because it's like, it's the song that blew them up. I'm always like in my bed with the shoulder. It's good.

That's good. That's really reassuring. And because I was so bored, I also watched something I've been wanting to do for a while. 1923, one of the Yellowstone prequels. I didn't watch like the 1883. I should watch them in chronological order, but like it doesn't really matter.

Have you seen it? No. Okay, I won't spoil anything. It's good. It's good. You know, I like Yellowstone better. Love to see Michelle Randolph out there shaking her thang. What a beauty.

Yeah. What a beauty. She's perfect for the role. She's supposed to be this like young, wild, like beautiful girl. And she's just perfect for it. literally um it's good I I don't know why I'm like five episodes in and I still have to reference the family tree they're making it so complicated for who is who like and who's who's the son and who's the uncle and who's the daughter

it is so motherfucking confusing damn I had to screenshot the family tree and I'm referencing it every episode. Got it. Got it. I haven't seen it yet. And realistically, I probably am not going to watch it just because of like timing and life and life happens. And I never finished 1886 just because of life. Like I 1883.

I liked it when I was watching it, but apparently not enough to finish it. That's the barometer. Like, oh, it's good, but I didn't finish it. So was watching it, but apparently not enough to finish it. That's the barometer. Like, oh, it's good, but I didn't finish it. So was it really ever that good? No, and it's like, I know they do make it to Montana and they put down roots and they have a long, illustrious life there. So I know how it ends. So that is what I watched this weekend.

Most of the time I was on my phone stalking the Eros tour opening night, which is why I'm wearing my Taylor sweatshirt today from the bar um so I'm on the bar PR list but I didn't get the Taylor sweatshirt and this isn't me like saying it so that I get them because like it's okay but it's like is Bridget enough of a toaster to know that like I'm not you're kind of a hater no I'm literally not a hater I'm no you're not I'm kidding I'm just like a normal fan I love Taylor's music I listen to her albums backwards and forwards I've actually listened to Midnight's like way more than you I'm obsessed with it and I've been a fan since the beginning of her career I just like she has have a head on my shoulders and I have a family and I have a toxic swifty and I have a career and like I just have things that you know

keep me busy and then I listen to music you you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You have those things too, yet you have chosen. I prioritize Taylor. You have chosen this life of Swifty hood. Because I think you like to be a part of something. I do. And it was fun. I knew I said, I was like, I'm not going to spoil it, whatever.

And you know what? Like, fuck that. Like, I feel like every time I go to a concert, I've seen a million videos. I know I look up the set list before. So it's like, not a spoiler. I mean, it was very exciting on Friday night. Like I was glued to my phone.

The Swifties were working tirelessly on TikTok live, Instagram live. They kept getting taken down. They were going back up. I watched about the first hour of the show. And then because it was Pacific time, I got tired. And then throughout the weekend, I just kept watching videos. So I'm aware of like the set list, the outfits. I don't think it's going to ruin the magic of when we go for the first time.

I, if anything, it got me even more excited. It looked amazing. And so randomly, like I couldn't really put into words like my thoughts until I saw this video that JJ Watt did. I guess him, his wife is a big Swifty and they all went like a bunch of friends, him and his wife. And he made this video afterwards, just like really saying how impressed he was with the show.

And this is coming from an athlete who like, you know, is in amazing shape. And he was like, I was in awe, you know, three hours of nonstop. She didn't stop for one second singing. She didn't stop for one second dancing. Taylor is not one of those artists who like, you know, during the popular part of the song, we'll let the crowd sing. No, she was on point the entire time doing the choreography, doing the singing, doing the entertaining. She had like two outfits, sorry, she had like 10 outfit changes and those each took like a minute. So she didn't really get any time off. And JJ Watt was just like so impressed with how, you know, even towards the end, she was still giving it a hundred percent.

She didn't even look to be a little tired and how impressive that was. And it's so true. She did a three hour and 15 minute show, 44 songs, and she gave it her all. And it, it was perfectly put. And I felt the exact same way. And then I also just loved like the randomness of J.J. Watt. And then J.J. Watt was stuck in my brain the entire day. I had a dream last night that J.J. Watt got the snatchler pregnant.

What did we dream on? It was kind of a dream. Yeah. Obsessed. You know, like he has a really nice wife. I'm not saying I'm coming for her. Like they're so happy together. Like I'm not saying anything. But it was just kind of a dream. Yeah. Obsessed. You know, like, he has a really nice wife. I'm not saying I'm coming for her. Like, they're so happy together. Like, I'm not saying anything.

But it was just, like, in my dream. Damn. I just had so many questions for you about what you saw. I saw some things, too. It looked amazing. Like, I saw the breakdown of how many songs in every era. There were some that were more, some that were less. But, like, it was good for Taylor.

Did what was good for Taylor. What felt true to Taylor. Are there like famous Swifties you mean famous people who are Swifties or Swifties who have become famous Swifties who have become famous for being Swifties there are a few right now I would say like one of the more famous Swifties is the guy who invented the bejeweled dance okay um and he did it's like it was like kind of a weird dance um but then everyone just like started doing it it became like the dance of bejeweled and Taylor's choreography included that dance so I don't know if he worked with her or he's probably gonna get to meet her worked with her it's just walking and turning yeah but like so like it is someone's choreography

and like you do have to like you know acknowledge that I don't even know if you have to pay them for using their choreography like that's by the way no it is a thing like Lizzo it is a thing but that particular choreography that's one of the most low and it is the most low energy TikTok dance of all the TikTok dances it doesn't matter somebody it's still somebody's original idea and so Taylor I'm sure she's like good with that I'm sure in general she reached out to the person who came up like with the dance for her song to make it viral but I'm just saying like taking a few steps and spinning around like no I'm I know what you're saying but I'm saying it's still someone's original choreography like whatever however low energy and like minimal it is okay um So I would say right now he's the most famous Swifty. I think his name is Michael. He was freaking. But yes, you know, I think it comes in waves because now

Taylor's very much in her TikTok era and like the famous Swifties are on TikTok, whereas before they used to be on Tumblr. Got it. So now people are like getting noticed on on tiktok yeah i follow this girl katherine she's like this really cute high schooler like i'm actually she's so like she's just like so normal like she's like like lives in a house that's like it literally looks like it's like a netflix show like when they just like try and put like a regular teenager like that's what like regular teenagers look like and she's so cute and she made up a dance um and she has like a lot of tiktok followers exclusively as a swifty right that's what i'm saying like and but people who used to get invited to like the red listening rep room what is it called a rep it was reputation room but also

the listening parties yeah like are those people still like you know well you know active and they are but the people back in the day who used to get invited to those like secret sessions and stuff they were not famous Swifties they were just very loyal consistent users on social media about Taylor so it wasn't even like a fame thing right but like now if they got that opportunity if such an opportunity existed like they would go viral on TikTok and then they'd be like famous yeah but she there is no I mean it's a literally a three and a half hour show. I don't know how she could then do like a midnight meetup.

Oh goodness, no. I hope she's not doing meet and greets. She's not. She didn't in Arizona. So I don't know if she's going to, but at the present point, she's not. No, I appreciate her prioritizing like more music, more songs over meet and greets.

Yeah, and so she really did her absolute best to include as many songs as possible. 44 is an insane amount of songs. She shortened some songs. So we get like, you know, more songs. We don't need the whole song. She goes, you know, from the first chorus into the bridge. But what a lot, I think, you know, the major takeaway from this weekend is, like, it's the Eras Tour. She's acknowledging all of her eras.

We never got, like, a Lover or an Evermore Folklore Tour. So she really does, like, big chunks of that, which I'm really grateful for. She opens with Lover because it was supposed to be the next tour after reputation um but she does one song from speak now she did enchanted and then literally changed into her red outfit which was like so crazy to so many people um she also didn't doesn't do any songs from debut the first night she did Tim McGraw and then I think a lot of people thought it was going to be like that one song from debut but the next night it turned out Tim McGraw was one of those interchangeable songs there's two changes that two songs that change from the set list every week

um but I am confused like I know Taylor does everything for a reason like she it was a choice to do one song from Enchanted especially I mean excuse me one song from Speak Now especially when there's so many iconic songs from Speak Now, including Long Live, which is very much like the anthem of her whole brand. Do you think it's because she doesn't own the rights to those songs and maybe she has to pay someone to use it and she's not going to pay? But currently she doesn't own 1989 and she still did a big 1989. Because I was trying to think which others haven't been re-recorded. So it's debut Speak Now in 1989.

Still haven't been recorded, yeah. But she did a lot from 1989? Yeah. It's like, you know, everything Taylor does is intentional. Wait, I just want to see what else is on. What was the reason? I want to see what else is on Speak Now to see if there's any glaring.

I mean, back to December. No, she doesn't need the story of us i see sparks fly whenever you smile hit me with those green eyes long live there's a lot here there's a lot there huh it's a choice i hate back to December I like it said what I said it's like one of the it's probably like one of the only songs Taylor's written I don't you know what song I hate that I was confusing with mine oh what's wrong with that I just don't like it okay um I like back to December it's one of the I would say the only song that Taylor's written about a former lover who's famous that That's complimentary.

And you know what makes Taylor Lautner look like such a good guy? I can't believe I forgot to ask him that when I interviewed him. I'm a fucking moron. Turdy Lou. Don't. We're stopping the negative self-talk. Add it to the list of regrets. Oh my gosh.

We can't get that minute. No, it's a big regret of mine. Maybe it's for a reason. Like maybe it's like a thing between like Taylor and him. It's not. It's not because his wife, Tay Lautner, is like a Swifty. She actually made a TikTok this weekend. Like when you're not the only Taylor he's dated. Like she's funny about it.

Like it's clearly like something we can talk about. And I'm just the moron who forgot. Yeah. Who dropped the ball for the toasters. I apologize. And the Swifties. Right. They're less forgiving.

Beyond. The toasters, you're our turdy loo You can't do any wrong And I did actually Leave the house this weekend Once to go to an Influencer gathering A gathering of influencers

Were you the Influencer mentor? I was the Influencer mentor It was Remy Bader's Birthday party Which are It's always fun

I went last year And it was really fun And this year was fun too But she always has a theme And it's always themes Like I cannot get on board with Like last year was euphoria and like what the fuck am I gonna wear to a euphoria themed party you know how picky I am with what I choose to put on my body you don't want to wear like your nipples out and like right everywhere no and

the influencers like love the euphoria theme so like everyone looked amazing and I looked literally stupid um and then this year was denim and diamonds and I vowed like not to look stupid, but it was just as hard for me to come up. Denim. Has anyone in this room ever seen me wear like blue denim? No, no. And you know, everyone, you know, had these cute denim sets and I went shopping. I tried and everything I ordered, I really ordered this incredibly cute item from nasty L shout out nasty L for literally having the worst shipping ever i paid 25 like for exp it's still not here damn and i and i ordered it on time like i ordered it like a week and a half ago okay but you looked amazing so i don't feel sorry for you what happened i you know i'm always always praising this brand and yet again show me

your muumuu out here with the best customer service the best everything um there was this denim i was on revolve and there was this denim I was on Revolve and there was this denim jumpsuit and it was sold out in all the sizes on Revolve so they had it on their website I did two-day shipping I got it in a couple sizes I just returned the sizes that didn't work um and I was like kind of uncomfortable it was definitely like a something I would never wear because it was like skin tight form fitting form fitting and one thing about me like I'm always gonna wear something baggy it's just how I feel comfortable. You're always gonna cover your form. I am always gonna cover my form especially the form of my belly like maybe I'll risk it with like a tight

pant or a tight sleeve I'll never wear a tight belly item it's just not how I was raised it's not um but I did because I had no other options and I actually thought it looked pretty good and I felt really good in the outfit and I'm glad that I took the risk because I was on theme I liked the look and it was a successful day of stepping out of your comfort zone add it to the list updos showing your arms form-fitting who is she you have not you have not been telling me to be oh no no no not it's a different list. Oh, oh. It's a list of things Turdy now likes. Trying new things.

No, no, you know what the list is? Things Turdy's doing in her saying yes to life era. Yeah, Turdy's new life. In 2021, I never would have done, oh, sorry, no, oh my God, 2022. Yeah, yeah, no, that's different from like, I didn't say it was with like reading and Downton. Oh, this whole time I thought you were merging lists reading Downton Updo's arms out is one list you were not telling me to put my arms out ever oh no no I wouldn't share no really even Updo

Updo oh wait I'm always saying put your hair up like no you're doing an Updo but you weren't really trying to ever oh my god always trying to get you and Margaret to wear your fucking hair up always okay okay okay oh and on the show too i'm sure someone could roll it back some clips roll the tapes and then this is a separate list of turdy's new life okay okay thank you for explaining the lists i've got a lot of lists and i'm checking them and you're checking it twice yeah to take the doors down find out if turds naughty or nice i could tell you turds naughty as fuck because not to be that girl you don't want your period i got it this morning oh my god i was joking you just had it a month ago i know you're like been pregnant for a hundred years but

like we are getting our periods every month you know okay i can't believe that was a month ago time flies when you're getting your period. No, I know. And like you're, by the way, you just said a mouthful there, sister. It's so true. You're just like kind of privileged that like in the last two years, you only had a couple periods. Yeah. And some of us are out here, you know, cramping it up once a month. Some of us are, you know, experiencing the joys of pregnancy and all the aches and pains

that accompany it. But sure. Yeah. Sure. So I was saying this morning, like, I know I'm going to be in like a fucking mood on the toast, but I'm feeling better. But it was a rough morning. Like it was, it was a journey to get to where I am now.

Damn. Is that why you chose that sweatshirt? I literally knew. You're so fucking predictable. Are you? You're in your red era. And you're the one who doesn't like when people talk about their periods and you're being very descriptive well that's that's true but now we said it so the floodgates are opened literally I don't mind talking about periods sometimes like you have to talk about

periods but like I just know aside from you because we do a daily show and it's germane actually to your presence you know on the show sometimes people are like wow Claudia was in a mood today and it's like well you know what my biology is working against me like I think it's important that everybody has context I have really no issue with you sharing but there are other influencers who it's like why do I know your menstrual cycles no but Jackie like the way I was never in my life like eager or really felt like I had any urge to talk about my period but ever since you said that now I find myself talking about it all the time do you think it's like you're one you're you're either trying to like

you know hurt you get me uncomfortable because like we love to do that. We do. Push me in my comfort zone. Or is it just that now that I've said it, we're noticing it? It's probably that. But on a day like today, like I did feel like bringing it up because if I'm at all snappy or quick with you and the audience is like, what's up Claudia's ass today? A tampon. Okay.

That's what's up my ass. I guess you never learned how to properly use one. Okay, okay. Pray for me, but also that's fine. Like if you're feeling negative vibes coming for me today, which I'm going to try and battle my natural instinct, just know like it's not my fault. It's literally nature.

Okay, okay. so I just I think context is important thank you for that and so I think you're welcome now we should embark on the job of delivering the fast life stories that you need to know um while avoiding as much negativity as possible yeah that's today's mission and today's mission is brought to you very appropriately by Liquid IV. If you're trying to improve your health, hydration is a great place to start. And Liquid IV is the hydration brand that fuels your well-being. You know, in my year of yes, Liquid IV has been a huge part of it. I now have like one or two packs in my purse at all time for hangovers when I'm traveling,

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Our first story, Ariana Maddox has made her first public appearance since Scandival. She took the stage Saturday night at a wacky comedy show at the Upright Citizens Brigade Theater in LA because you know she takes sketch comedy seriously. And you know who else takes sketch comedy seriously? Upright Citizens Brigade. That's like a legit

troupe. Yes except what they were doing did not seem very serious and it wasn't like sketch comedy but it was like a sandwich making competition with Ariana and Fibula. I love Fibula. Fibula listens to the toast. Yeah.

Shout out. Yeah. Shout out. Shout out. So she took the stage at the venue just a few minutes away from Schwartz and Sandy's. And Eyewitness told Page Six that the reality star was met with thunderous cheers and applause from the crowd when she walked on stage at the live event. Billed as the only sandwich making game show on the planet they said from the smile on her face and little dance she did while walking out on stage she appeared a little surprised but super

appreciative of all the fans support and judging from the audience's excitement it was evident that the majority of people showed up to see her she looked carefree and seemed to be having good time there was no mention of the scandal of all of course um and the show was called make that sandwich and it was her and fibula competing to make sandwiches i'm sure like a part of it was also like doing improv yeah um i just want to say something i've like a takeaway i've had from this whole situation is like ariana's really like not thirsty I think like if you think about anyone else who was like put in this position where like the entire fan base and the entire world has like learned about your situation and it's like riding for you like they would be posting so much on Instagram and like

doing events or like maybe interviews like there's a way you could really thirst out and like capitalize on this moment and the fact that Ariana has like been seen twice one at a friend's wedding and one at like this like small improv sketch comedy thing like it makes me have a lot of respect for her like she's not thirsting out on this moment yes but don't you feel like everyone else is everyone all of her friends are yes and she's given them she's given them permission to talk about everything but like I just think it's so weird not the talking and giving interviews to other podcasts and of course everyone has a podcast and they're doing all these different like permutations of like K uh Sheena and Kristen and right on this one has a podcast

Lala has a podcast Kristen Doty has a podcast yeah and they're all like you know going around talking about it but then like Lala's selling merch about it. And it just feels so weird to me. No, I agree. And I don't like I'm I stand firmly on Team Ariana. Even like Sheena did her episode and for a few days it was only available on Patreon. And then it dropped to the public. And it's important to note, like if I had been in this situation like I would

very much probably be doing the same like you know as a reality star slash influencer like moments like this is like what you make your your living on um but it's your best friend's trauma these are friends like this is a group of friends and I agree like the level of fame and like the non-stop stories from the cast members like it's kind of crazy. It's kind of crazy and it's it's crazy that like it doesn't bother Ariana whatsoever because I don't think that it does and I think that if it did for one second they wouldn't do it. They would stop. They have express permission to go all the way with everything and like I just it's it's crazy to me it's it just feels a little weird to to me I agree um especially because a lot of them

are limited in what they can share because of their contracts like Bravo doesn't want all this tea being spilt on podcasts they want it to save it for the show and that's why a lot of people are loving Kristen Doty's podcast because she doesn't she's very much at the center of this but she doesn't have a contract she can say whatever the fuck she wants and that's why her episode on vile files and her own podcast like blew up in the way that they did because there's no red tape around what she can say but I'm sure also there's things that she's not saying because she is filming again like I don't think she wants to piss them off expressly but she definitely has more flexibility than the other cast members but I I agree. It's kind of out of hand. Yeah.

And it's just like. I don't know. At a certain point it's kind of like rubbing me the wrong way. No I know. And I don't know if it's like the effects of last week. When I was so turned off on the episode. By everyone except Raquel. And now like the behavior is just starting.

I'm starting to be like. Well I don't know. And I don't want this to be misconstrued. Like, I stand firmly on Team Ariana. I just think the behavior of a lot of the other girls is questionable. Yeah, I agree. But no, when it comes to this, like, there's only a Team Ariana. And the fact that we are going to say Team Ariana, it's like, well, there's not a, this isn't a match.

Like, there's one team. Where there's not even a team Tom. No. That would consist, that would literally consist of Tom. Yeah. Yeah. But it's curious. Yeah, it's curious.

But I'm really glad that she's doing well, that she was out and about. She changed her hair color to be like even lighter. It looks great. Oh. It's like more platinum blonde. Cute. And it looks, she looks awesome so okay good yeah are you ready for our next story yeah more clarity in all the law roach retirement drama

because law roach sat down for an interview with the cut and like answered a bunch of questions it was like q a style and he's talking about his career talking about the retirement specifically like what that means what led him to that point and there were some interesting nuggets from the interview I appreciate that he like made this big splash and didn't just disappear with all these questions like oh you guys are unclear let me do a follow-up yeah like because in the interview he's like when did I post that two days ago so like literally he must have gotten it's current he must have gotten so much press outreach and he was like yeah I'll sit down with the cut and explain right what happened so right he um kind of talks about how he got to this place after Oscars week and building up to the Vanity Fair Oscars party he said it's some of the most

stressful times in the world and I've been a stylist that did multiple clients so I'm trying to prepare for multiple clients that week he said he had a lot of pressure from Megan Thee Stallion because it was her first time coming back and anybody seeing her since the trial and so that was a lot of pressure you know because I wanted to make her feel secure and comfortable make her feel and look as perfect as possible so that she can have the strength to do what she had to do so that morning I got a call from one of my clients and it was her her publicist and somebody from a brand that I'm supposed to do the project with. And I found myself on the phone with these three women. I felt like I was defending myself because the one woman from the brand was like, oh, he's not communicating and you're not going to have

the dress and all these things. And it was just a lot of things that were not true. And that's how we lose clients as stylists. Somebody from a brand will say something to the publicist. Then the publicist will say something to the client. And it's this thing I thought I had a really strong relationship with this client and I thought she knew that my goal is always to protect my clients and at that moment I just didn't feel like I was being protected because there's no one who can ever say that they've worked with me that I didn't put my whole heart and soul into them or that I left them hanging and they didn't have a dress it's never happened no one can ever say that about me he said that call was

very early the next day um after the Oscars and the client was one of the clients that I dressed that night oh this is another call like more Oscars bullshit politics right but he's not saying though that like Meg Thee Stallion is the person he was referring to like the politics what he is saying is like there are all these gatekeepers that gatekeep the client it's publicists it's agents managers all of these people come in between him and the client to like facilitate the relationship and there's a few things that happen a few issues that he's encountered one like he's never the stylist that they go to when someone wants a stylist they have like a list of people that they would

encourage you to work with and he's never like being put forward by the gatekeepers he calls them two he said he likes to have a personal relationship with his client of course people you to work with and he's never like being put forward by the gatekeepers he calls them. Two, he said he likes to have a personal relationship with his client. Of course. But these people don't let you. You know, they are the ones doing the scheduling. They'll they say, oh, so and so, you know, they don't ever really let you like interface with their client. And that's not how he likes to work.

He also said there's like people who say about him like, oh, if you work with him, you're just going to get all the clothes Zendaya didn't want. Which, by the way, he said that's like people who say about him like oh if you work with him you're just gonna get all the clothes Zendaya didn't want which by the way he said that's obviously not true he doesn't walk around with a suitcase full of Zendaya's castoffs but honestly some of you people would look better in Zendaya's castoffs than what you're wearing no please give me the shit beneath Zendaya's shoe and look better than what I'm wearing today like yeah give me Zendaya's runner-up Oscars dress sure oh my god Zaya liked it, but didn't like it enough. Good enough for you. Give me like her fifth choice. Yeah. Yeah. No, you know, what's interesting is like about celebrity dynamics is like the way that it's built, you know, to have like an agent, a manager,

a publicist, a lawyer, business manager, all these people around really to protect you when working with brands, when working with studios. And so the system works, but it doesn't really work with stylists because I think, and anyone who, you know, has ever worked with a stylist probably would agree that like, I think the most beneficial like relationships between stylists and celebrities are those that are so close, like Zendaya and Law, like they're friends. Like you get to know the person, you can dress them better. It's like, it benefits everyone when there'saya and Law. Like, they're friends. Like, you get to know the person. You can dress them better. It's like, it benefits everyone when there's a closeness.

And it's so collaborative. Right. You don't need to be close when working with a brand. They're paying you for a service. Like, your manager should protect you from those types. Like, I get that. But a stylist, I wouldn't equate with, like, working in, like, a movie studio. You need that closeness in order to really get it you know you get to understand what the person you know what their hopes and dreams are what their insecurities are like

it's more beneficial for everyone when the stylist really really knows you and it's not impersonal yeah and I think that's how he works best he was even saying when someone like reaches out to him he does like a whole google search of everything they've ever wanted to like try and get an understanding of the person so having these people in the way like that's the politics and bullshit he was talking about so pretty much he said that he'll still be working with Zendaya and then all of like he said like clients reached out to him when he posted that and pretty much being like well what about me right and he's like you're gonna have to find a new stylist all's good with him and today he explained the Louis Vuitton thing

what happened there I saw his explanation and you know what it did make a lot of sense he said that he always sits next to Zendaya because they like you know watch the show together and they pick together the sorts of things that they like so he got there there wasn't a seat next to her for him and she pointed behind her because she was saying this is um her assistant seat so he was saying like so take that one like I think just to say like it was available. But it wasn't her saying you sit here. No no no no. So he said all's good between them.

Which he did say last week. And now he's focusing on he's going to be announced. As like the creative director of a footwear brand soon. Wait but also back to the Louis Vuitton thing. I thought his explanation in terms of like context. Was really helpful and important. Because this was the first show Zendaya went to of Louis Vuitton thing I thought his explanation in terms of like context was really helpful and important because this was the first show Zendaya went to of Louis Vuitton as one of the faces of Louis Vuitton and their previous partnership I'm not entirely sure what brand he was referencing

Zendaya was the one and only face of that brand so when they would go to shows it was like set in stone it was her and Law sitting front row but this is the first time that they went to a show of the brand that Zendaya is working with that has a lot of faces. It's not like the Zendaya show anymore. So it was just a new dynamic and he wasn't mad. He was, they just didn't know yet. Like there was no precedent out of a previous show.

So I think that like much many things that go viral on TikTok, like that video is completely out of context has nothing to do with the retirement announcement it really sounds like it was Oscars Vanity Fair mayhem the politics after years of this no and it makes sense like celebrity dynamics are so fucked yeah and especially like there are so many people like around celebrities who seek to protect them but also really just isolate them like yeah I feel like I understand why they have to have some people to you know interface with the studio interface like it's a lot for the celebrity but like the celebrities can talk to some people you know like they don't need to be completely managed they're

still adults and they're human beings and they're working business people like well I guess it depends on the celebrity I think a lot of celebrities like actually do need to be managed but a lot of them are yes like these running of an empire like you could pick out your own dress yeah and you can like talk to people I think there are a couple celebrities who are not well but most of them are like functioning adults yeah yeah yeah so but some of them like those layers of protection. Like some of them put those in place for that reason. Yes. But then like, you know, you're going to just get sent a bunch of dresses that have nothing to do with you.

Right. Right. So I'm really... The interview was very wide ranging. I would recommend reading it if you want more. Also stories. Like he's literally was giving names. He's dropping names.

Yeah. He was giving instances. He talked about how one star had DM'd him about wanting to work with him because she had a movie coming out and she didn't like, you know, some of the stylists that were suggested to her by her teams. And I was feeling like it was Addison. Oh. I just, like, that's just the vibe I got.

Oh, and did he say it was a client he now worked with? just like that's just a vibe I got oh and did he say it was a client he now worked with um he said it was like a a client one of hold on let me find the so a current client and that would be sometimes what happens is a talent will just dm me hey would you work with me can we talk about this I started working with this client she had a really big movie coming out and she said you know I want to be a fashion girl I want to take risks and there's nobody else I want to work with but you like totally Addison because she's like a digital girly DM like she had events before yeah but it wasn't until I feel like it was like he's all that yeah no by the way that's a really good call yeah so he's just like as much tea as you like would hope for without I love someone who's direct like direct like he

made this big drama on Instagram and I think a lot of annoying people would have just like walked away you know lit lit the fire and bounced oh and he's like oh you guys have follow-up questions let me sit down for an interview and drop names and and people yeah like even though even talking about like Meg the stallion how like he dressed her and there was a lot of pressure for her to like look amazing and the way that things went south had absolutely nothing to do with her but great now I can start to imagine as opposed to him being like I had a client who was a really big night for them right and you know what I mean no and actually I actually really appreciated him sharing his thought process for you know the importance of dressing Meg Thee Stallion that

night and it actually makes me feel like he's a really good stylist because I hadn't even thought about how like how big of a deal this was like first public appearance since the trial and he honestly seems like an empath like he actually really cares he said that not not just like oh this dress looks good on you walk out the door but like there's meaning behind it and this is a person who dealt with something like really traumatizing and I want to make them feel beautiful and actually like that sharing that anecdote like actually really makes me like him even more he said that he's a huge empath and that's why it's particularly draining for him for him when he gives so much like of himself to his clients and then there's these people who just like tear it down ruin it yeah yeah so I love that we got a like a full circle moment on this. Thank you.

But that he truly is retiring from celebrity style. The celebrity. Yeah. Yeah. Damn. Damn. Are you ready for our next story? Yeah.

Shawn Mendes has addressed the Sabrina Carpenter dating rumors. Yeah, I know. In like a rude way. Yeah. Shawn Mendes. She's being very short. He shut down online speculation that he and Sabrina Carpenter are dating. Boo.

My article won't load. Just give me one second. Well, I can give you guys like a little context. They were photographed together a few weeks ago. Thanks, Turdy. Definitely like Jax and I were looking like, does this look like two people who are dating? They really are a good match. We were very much here for it. And then he did an interview and he was like kind of annoyed that he

was asked the question because I think he was there to promote something else Ralph Lauren right yes Tommy Hilfiger same thing literally same thing he uh he was doing an interview with a Dutch TV program called RTL Boulevard and he said we are not dating he then suggested that they talk about his partnership with Tommy Hilfiger quote quote, probably more than Sabrina, but thank you. Yeah, like he was rude. He literally said, good day, sir. I said good day. I'm annoyed that they're not dating because I do think it's a really good match.

And Shawn Mendes like definitely took some time off and he came back recently like with a buzz cut and he gained like 15 pounds of muscle. And my God, he's looking so hot. Like he's even more attractive than he was before, which is crazy to think about um and I would have loved that for Sabrina Carpenter honestly but do you feel like maybe they were like hanging out a little bit and now Sabrina's seeing this and is like oh we're not dating I guess I guess we're not like not they probably weren't dating exclusively or anything but like why do you have to say it like that? You know, he would like had an attitude.

Couldn't he have been like every other celebrity, like coy and tight lipped? Like, I don't. I'm not talking about that right now. Yeah. Yeah. No, he had like a mug and an attitude and I didn't appreciate it. I just feel like if there was anything brewing between them, like we're not going to be seeing them together anymore just because like that was fucking rude. Yeah.

No, it's over. It was a very like terse so by the way they were spotted together like twice in one week they had that like date and sweats and also they left a party together so like we're not crazy for thinking that they might be dating they're literally so perfect and age appropriate yeah and cute like I feel like Sabrina might have thought there was something there there was something there that wasn't there before it literally wasn't a crazy question like good for this interviewer for going there it would have been my first question as well who gives a shit about Ralph Lauren it taught me he'll figure it wasn't a crazy question it was a crazy response it wasn't a crazy question it was a crazy response like and especially I feel like

Shawn Mendes is like p-jump energy like maybe he's on his period because he was giving like you know yeah I'm just like I'm feeling for Sabrina today because I feel like that he made really clear that was definitely a tough way tough way to find out like the guy you went on a date with like wasn't as into it as you are. Yeah. You just have to say like, oh, yeah, you know, we're friends. She's so awesome. No, but like I love Sabrina.

She's such a great girl. I love spending time with her. Period. Yeah. And then like we would now be sitting here being like, what does it mean? And instead we're being here like, oh, Shamanus is kind of a prick. Yeah. And we're like, all right, never mind.

Like the ship just crashed. Yeah. And we're like, never mind. Like the ship just crashed. Yeah. And burned. I'm off. I'm jumping overboard. She deserves better. She deserves someone who's going to speak glowingly about her in interviews. A hundred percent.

And I'm so looking forward to the day where like we're talking about Sabrina Carpenter's relationship and it's not Joshua Bassett like Loserville and it's not Shawn Mendes being mean. Like when is this girl going to get what she deserves? Yeah. It's coming, Sabrina. Don't you worry. Don't give up. No.

Sabrina, you don't chase. You attract. What is yours will find you. Sabrina, there's a lid for every pot. So true. And you have a gorgeous pot Sabrina that anyone would want to cover Sabrina Buster Murdoch has a girlfriend okay don't lose hope turny Lou I have two more stories and both I could segue so good right now oh that's too bad

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Our next story. Bad Bunny seemingly disses Kendall's ex, Devin Booker, on a new song. Yeah. Bad Bunny is turning heads with his latest lyrics, as some think his feature on the track Coco Chanel doubles as a diss towards Kendall's ex, Devin Booker. The new song from Eladio Carreon features an appearance from Bad Bunny, and in it he makes an alleged reference

to the Phoenix Suns. They sing in Spanish, but translated it means, I'm not bad, baby, that's a gimmick, but the sun in Puerto Rico is hotter than in Phoenix. She knows it. Okay, like usually I think people are like reading into stuff,

but like that's hella direct. Like Phoenix is pretty specific. And then elsewhere- Especially for somebody who does latin music like right this isn't even a song like about america right elsewhere in the song he uh raps that scorpio women are dangerous and kendall is a scorpio see you know what that could be a coincidence like maybe he you know just like score maybe he's really into horoscopes. But the other one feels like really, really. Targeted. Targeted.

But at the same time, they really haven't been dating for that long. And like songs take so long to produce that the timeline doesn't add up for me. Unless they've been dating for a lot longer than we know. And they've only started to give us crumbs recently. Perhaps. And I will say the last time we spoke about Bad Bunny and Kendall and how like we were so here for it, our Hispanic toasters made themselves known and they said they do not support this relationship.

So, and they didn't really give me a reason that like made me stop liking them, but I respect your decision. Oh, she sneezed on it. I agree. Bad Bunny fans are like not here for it they don't think that this is a good couple I think it's probably based on his personality and like hers just not not seeming like they would jive or it's just based on like a protectiveness I feel like that happens a lot like whenever there's like a major male star the female fans don't like the girlfriend

for whatever reason and whatever whether they're valid or not it's really just rooted in like this protectiveness and almost like a territorialism yes also it's worth noting it Devin Booker might have responded to this he did situation because he posted on Instagram in a comment um that has since been deleted and it said he's worried about another Caps man again. Is he calling Bad Bunny gay? Is that what that meant? I don't know.

Wait, he's worried about another man again. It sounds like these two have history, by the way, because I don't even know what the fuck they're talking about. And then it was deleted. Also, this line in People Magazine made me laugh. Reps for Bad Bunny, Jenner, and Booker, and the Sun's organization did not immediately respond to people's requests for comment.

Wait, you're telling me that the Phoenix Sun did not respond to their request for comment? Could you imagine? That's shocking. I can't believe they even like wrote that. That's like embarrassing. Like admitted that they reached out. That's an embarrassing email to write to the Phoenix Sun.

It's like, do you have any commentary on this lyric? Because Bad Bunny spoke about the sun in Phoenix. Oh, also like we didn't even put together that they're called the Phoenix suns and he's talking about the strength of the Phoenix sun. Oh, by the way, it's 100% about Devin Booker. Honestly, it's like pretty good line, like considering everything. It's a decent burn. It's a sick burn.

Wait, can we just talk one more time trying to figure out what Devin Booker meant like I'm just unclear okay he's worried about another man again fans have been circulating screenshots that show a now deleted comment from his Instagram apparently in response to the lyrics per the U.S. Sun, he worried about another man again. Or is he calling Kendall gay? Is somebody being called gay? Like I'm so confused. Honestly, if anybody has any thoughts on like what this could translate to,

like feel free to drop a comment on YouTube. I'm hella confused. Yes, please. Or if there's context we're missing. I feel like we're dumb. Yeah, no, it's like there's something, it's like when you're looking for the grapes and they're like right in front of you.

Like, what? Or like there's just like history that we don't know, but like what again? And why is man in caps? Yeah, no, the man is giving gay vibes. Yeah, yeah, but I'm not sure. But maybe I'm just jumping to gay. Maybe you are jumping to gay.

This is confounding me. Sometimes I just wish people would be as explicit as Shawn Mendes. Yeah, or as Law Roach. True. It feels like I'm hearing a sentence in English, and it sounds like French. I'm like, what? Hold on, we'll do it one more time. Yeah sounds like French. Like, I'm like, what? Hold on.

We'll do it one more time. Yeah. He worried. Okay. When I first said it. He's worried. No, no, no. But maybe in past tense.

He worried about another man again. No, no. It's definitely like he's worried, but it's like, you know, shortened for internet lingo. He's worried. You don't think in the past he worried about another man again? No, no. But I liked that, you know, that was a really creative way of thinking. But read it one more time.

Is he calling Kendall a cheater? He worried about another. No, but the man is caps. He's worried about another man again. I really. You know, when you start to say a word so much, it starts to not sound like English. Like garage, garage, garage, garage.

This sentence is not making sense to me. It's not English. He worried about another man again. No, but you are also like being weird with the sentence. Okay, Claudia, I'm going to, I just, like, I want to just text you so you can see it in plain text. He's worried about another man again. We're making no progress.

I'm going to the Sun article to see if there's anything else. Was there a typo? He's worried. Okay, the caption on the post that he commented on read. Oh, context. More information.

Bad Bunny just sent some subliminals to Devin Booker on his version on Coco Chanel. Do y'all think he wants everyone to know he's dating Kendall Jenner now? Mm-hmm. He worried about another man again. Maybe. Okay, I don't think you're saying this.

Like, Devin, no, it doesn't sound gay. It sounds like Devin Booker, like, feels like now for another, a second time, like, Bad Bunny's with a a woman and he's like worried about the woman's ex-boyfriend yeah yeah agreed it's he's basically calling bad bunny like a loser yeah like he's not a gay not a gay not gay a loser yeah no he's still worried about me again because he has a pattern of doing this like focusing on another man like and he's so worried and it's like focus on the girl yeah yeah yeah it's kind of a good read yeah yeah he's worried about another man again it's like worry about your woman oh my god yes that's why man is capital we figured it out we cracked the code context is key context is key context is key

okay i'm glad we went over to the sun me too to solve this riddle yeah it's kind of like losery a bad bunny like what are you writing lyrics about your girl's ex-man like focus on the fact that you got the girl yeah like Kendall's waiting for you but this definitely like in my opinion like ups Kendall's cool factor like like that two major like manly men are like getting Instagram drama for her like I kind of love. That another man is worried about her again. Right. Again. A man.

Man. Okay, great. Now I feel really good about going into the fifth and final story. I feel like thus far, you know, every story has really kind of come full circle. This is like a very healing episode. We're reaching understanding. Yes.

It's nice. It is nice. Because I feel like more often often than not we're left with so many questions turdily i hope that in this fifth and final story it will leave us with a place of understanding okay let's see the family of steven smith who was found dead near alex murdoch's home raises money to exhume his body that's like it's not about the fact that it was near the home oh i didn't even realize they were, they, that they needed money. Cause I'll fucking donate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The body of a South Carolina teen who mysteriously died near the home of Alex

Murdaugh though. That's not like why they're all connected, but okay. We'll be like the whole town is near the home of Alex Murdaugh. Right? No, it's like this guy was, you know, allegedly Buster Murdaugh's gay lover. And he was all over the crime scene and all over the police reports like and like all the rumors in town where that Buster had something to do with this it has nothing to do with like being near the home of Alex Murdaugh also then call it Buster's house because like this is a Buster ting right we're busting this case wide open his body will be exhumed and a new autopsy will be conducted they never conducted an autopsy the first time because they just kept saying it was a hit and run hit a road crash and it was nothing of the sort but if you categorize it as such like

then there's no autopsy the family of stephen simmons announced in a gofundme on thursday that they have raised enough money to exhume his body for an independent autopsy his 2015 death investigation was reopened after the murders of Maggie and Paul Murdaugh in 2021. Smith was found dead on Sandy Run Road in rural Hampton County, a short distance from the Murdaugh estate. His death was originally classified as a hit and run, but the investigation was reopened in 2021 after Maggie and Paul's bodies were found. However, the authorities have not called his death a homicide at this time. the authorities have not called his death a homicide at this time. Smith's family has long maintained that his death was not merely a hit and run,

but they have never explicitly implicated the Murdaugh family. Authorities have never publicly disclosed the link between Smith and the Murdaugh family, but Buster Murdaugh, the surviving son of Alex Murdaugh, was one of Smith's high school classmates. There's a lot of rumor in the window about their connection and also their presence together that night. So, yeah, I think,

you know, when you, when you, when people like started to learn about the Murdaugh trial while it was going on and watching the documentaries and everyone was really focused on like, did Alec kill, you know, his wife and son,

one of the real, like, you know, collateral tragedies of this family was the murder of Stephen Smith who was this like young boy who had his whole life ahead of him who was like a real nice kid like hearing his friends talking about him it was so sad and how his whole death was just swept under the rug in this town was so horrible and so tragic and so everyone was really focused on Paul and Maggie um and I get it but this was like one of the things like Gloria too that just never got justice

that the family exploited and used their influence to just make it go away and this is like a family who lost their son and it's so tragic and they never got any answers. So I love that this first step is being taken and I hope, you know, bodies decay over time. And what I learned when I was watching, oh, what was I watching where they exhumed someone's body? Shit. Oh, to get DNA.

It was like this documentary about one of those doctors who would, you know, steal people's babies and sell them to other families, whatever. They were saying how like, when you exhume a body, depending on how it was embalmed and just nature in itself, and it's like 10, 15 years, either the body will be in perfect condition or you will open the casket and it will be body soup like literal with water and dust depending on the coffin like and you can't get anything from it so it just depends on all these different factors environmental and then also how they were laid to rest what information can you get it has only been about five years or no when was he killed it's

now almost eight years yeah it just depends that's so interesting um but i feel like even if they have a body that they can exhume and test like an autopsy is going to show kind of what we already know that like it was blunt force trauma that killed him not a hit and run if they could collect dna that would be great but what I think they really need to do is go through his cell phone records. Yeah. Because, like, who did Stephen Smith call when his car ran out of gas? Yeah. And I don't really know if you can collect DNA.

It's not like he was, like, you know, put in the casket right after the car accident. You get people ready for a funeral. You clean them. You wash them. Right, right. Formaldehyde. There's not going to be Buster's DNA on him. Oh, you're saying they were getting dna from

like who the genealogy and yeah they wanted to see if this guy was related to these kids like that's why they in the documentary i was watching so i i've never seen i don't know if you can you can't unless you can't that makes total sense yeah um so i wonder what they're looking for i don't know but they need to if they're opening the investigation again they need to look through the cell phone records like they had like the Murdoch family friend or family lawyer tried to reach out to Stephen's family to like represent them they took Steve he took Stephen's phone but all that stuff like lives in in the cloud in the cloud and also like in uh the cell phone providers like records.

Yeah, no, you can get that shit. You can get that shit. So if the investigation is open, I think that's the first place to start. Whoever he called, that's who's. Responsible. We're looking at. That's who we're looking at. What happened that night?

Seriously, justice for Stephen Smith. Did you ever watch the HBO Max one? No, but I actually did end up hearing it was filled with more information. It was really good. And I felt like the Netflix one really focused on Mallory Beach. Which, you know what? Another tragedy that was swept under the radar. Now we know her name.

But like, I understood the like the details of and the grisly details of what happened and who she was and who this group of friends was. And the Netflix one, they kind of were like, oh, yeah. And Gloria and Steven's deaths were suspicious too. And watching the HBO Max one, like, oh my God, my heart sank for, they spent a lot of time on Steven Smith. They interviewed his family and his friends, which the Netflix one only have like one friend of Steven's talking about.

It had a friend and I think it had his parents. Oh, this one was like so much more detailed about who Stephen was and the grisly details of his murder and how the after he was killed, how they kind of passed his case around to all these different, you know, highway patrols. And it's like, and they would say, and the, you know, the officers went and they were like, this isn't a hit and run.

And they wouldn't take it as a homicide. They wouldn't investigate it. They were like, no, it's a hit and run. So it's under your jurisdiction. No, and the way it was in the middle of this like rural road. And if it wasn't for that farmer, we heard that 911 call who found him that night. His body wouldn't have been discovered for a while.

And the Murdos might've been able to do something with it. Like if Buster ran home and told his grandpa. So like the little information we have, we're so even lucky to have because that guy who called nine one one. Yeah. And then he was such, you could hear, he was like this cute old man.

But to me, like that's a crime. That's clearly a homicide that could have been solved. Yeah. So easily if they actually cared to solve it. Cause Buster Murdoch is no great genius. Who's going to evade police. No.

And they're teenagers. It's all in their cell phones. Just like the Mallory Beach, it was all on Snapchat. Yeah, right. Right, right, right, right, right. And like even, you know, if Buster Murdaugh was under a suspect, then you start looking at where his phone was that night. Like did his phone ping the tower that's closest to this location?

Like it's, I'm not even like a crime girl I could tell you but the fact that they never even questioned Buster even though the whole town was saying we heard it has something to do with Buster it's such a gross like abuse of power and miscarriage of justice and like really it's and that was my whole takeaway from the whole case it's like I didn't know shit like this really happened it's like always happening in like ABC dramas like he runs this town it's like i didn't know shit like this really happened it's like always happening in like abc dramas like he runs this town it's like yeah sure no he literally ran the town and yeah was able to buy you're gonna go into law enforcement and be so easily bought into covering up crimes you have no fucking scruples what are you in law enforcement for you get into law enforcement because you have such a passion for justice and for helping people. And you're going to take this ugly fucking fire crotches money, you loser.

Like I have less respect. Why do you have to bring redheads into it? Sorry. I know. I just wanted to insult him. Why do you have to use a slur? I'm sorry. I just wanted to insult him, but I shouldn't have done that because that's directly affected you.

You insult my people. No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I should have come up with a better word. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What do we have to do with it? No, for sure.

For sure. I won't do it again. I'm sorry. You do we have to do with it? No, for sure. For sure. I won't do it again. I'm sorry. You'll do better, Turdy Lou? I'll do better. Do better, Turdy Lou. Everyone needs to do better.

Agreed. But I feel hopeful that this autopsy might give us something to move forward with. Yeah. I don't know what they're gonna find in the autopsy but you gotta just check the cell phones man I know it's a step maybe like they find something in the autopsy that cracks the case wide open you can't just like get the investigation is open again no I know you can't just like get phone records you need like a warrant and to get a warrant you need like actual proof because people are entitled to privacy but the mother Stephen's mother can't get his phone records?

His, yes, but I think you gotta open up busters too. People have. No, you start with Stephen's, you see who he called and then that person is asked questions. My knowledge of the law is limited here. I'll be quite transparent with everyone. Yeah, and where is Stephen's phone? I don't know, but I don't think you need the phone like the

records no but like if steven's mother has his phone he could just go through his phone yeah yeah yeah i'm sure they have or it was never recovered family friend lawyer like wanted to take it or yeah or it was never recovered no it was found in his car with his wallet and everything yeah oh wow so where no it was in his pocket and it was intact. It was intact. It was intact in his pocket, which is also a sign that it's not a hit and run. Right, right.

Because you go flying through the air when you get hit and run and you land on whatever. And so I'm sure Buster ran home to his dad and was like, buddy texted me and he has his phone. Right, right. And then the corrupt lawyer said, oh, give me Steven's's phone I'll deal with it

I'll take care of it yeah yeah I'll take care of it sick um so those were that is like another full circle story I felt like we closed the gap on a lot of stories today yeah no we're not it's not closed but like we are in the process we always say like we hope for updates and here we actually got one yeah and we hope for more we hope for updates. And here we actually got one. Yeah. And we hope for more. We hope for more. That was our show. Great Monday episode, honestly. I feel great.

I feel great. I feel like we avoided like negativity as much as possible in terms of my period. Yes, we did. Did you feel like I was short with you? No. Okay. Never. I wasn't giving Shawn Mendes shortness.

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