The Toast - Weenie of the Roundtable: Friday, February 20th, 2026

Episode Date: February 20, 2026

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It's Jackson, Claude and every show that that's five things you need to know. We'll start your day off, swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy, oh, that's right, Friday. What time is it? Friday. It's a vacation. What time is it? Time of our lives. School sound, scream, chow. They didn't have to go so hard with that song. Welcome back to the Turs.

Every Friday feels like the beginning of summer. especially when you're living in Florida. Because we have a little summer break this weekend. That's unbelievably beautiful. We're going to move to the beach, the pool. Dip, dock, dodge, dove, and dive. I meant to say like dive, but we're also going to dip, duck, dodge, dive and dive. Now, usually we sort of like ease into the weekend, but I feel like we have a lot to do today on the episode front.

We do. Real House is in Beverly Hills. Did you watch? Of curse. Traders. Oh, no, I forgot. Kidding! You got it.

She's a trait. You watch, we got another troll away boat. Um, oh my God. Last night's episode was actually like an exercise in how to be a loser. Like it was insane. We were so close. Oh my God. We were so close to like vindication and like everything that, you know, we are with the worst

like players left. And admittedly so, they'll all say they're the worst even though they all say Natalie's so smart or whatever. Right. Um, stop Natalie's speech like made me cry. They're disgusting. I fucking hate these people. Let's save all the spoilers.

for the TV recap, along with Real House size at Beverly Hills, we also have Queenie and Weenie. And then we also just have like two fabulous gals being fabulous. Talking about pop culture. Yes, that is what we do for a living. Talking about themselves. Yeah, today's kind of a big day.

I mean, it is what, the 20th, right? Yes. So I wanted to have this, you know, little speech on the 21st, but it's a Saturday. Um, Roos turning nine months. On the 21st. Nine months in, nine months out, even though it's like 10 months, I will be making a speech regardless.

Oh, well. Wow, where has the time gone? I'm crying up that Harry just turned four. And I was like, it's Harry's true. I'm sorry, nine months is bigger than four. Like, do you agree? Nine months is like, it's basically the same as a year. Yes.

And yes, I'm not here to continue. So, oh my God, I'm literally going to try not to cry. I was like crying last night. Nine months in, nine months out. I just wanted to use this moment as a marker, you know, the selfless queen that I am for others. If you find yourself pregnant right now and like freaking, or wondering like, should I?

Is this life for me? Let me tell you, it's for you. And if you're worried, you should only be worried that your life has sucked so much until this point. Okay? Like, oh my God, it's the most amazing thing. Like, yes, life is different, of course. Are we out shaking our tittyes on yachts?

No. It's so doesn't matter, you guys. Like, it's the best most amazing thing ever. Your life like begins now. And of course, if this life is not for you, your life is great too. You know, I'm not, I feel like the childless people and then the childful people like are always combating with one. Like, I don't give a fuck.

That's not what I'm talking about. This is a statement. You're not here to knock anyone. You're just here to uplift people who might be on the fence. On TikTok, like child free women and childful women are always battling one another. And I'm like, girl, they always think the others talking about them. I'm not talking about you. And you're not talking about me.

Like, we're good. So sorry. Anyway, it's like, unchancell myself. You're talking to people who are on the fence and also people who are nervous who expect that one day they're going to have kids. But you're always just like, am I ready? I don't feel ready. I don't feel ready.

I know, of course. I loved my life so much. been watching you on the show for seven years. You've been married the entire time that you were on the toast and like you just didn't feel ready. I didn't feel ready and I was like kind of like really going to miss my life. Like I had this amazing life. Like I got to do whatever I wanted. And like, you know, I had a lot of disposable income that I could just do whatever I wanted with.

Like there was no one to tell me no. And while that was amazing, of course, and can't wait to get back there one day. This 32.0 is just the best thing in the whole world. So maybe someone out there needed to hear that. So I just wanted to say. Just a little encouragement. Nine months in, nine months out. Are you going to post like a nine months in?

No, because like I don't have any pictures. From nine months in. Yeah. And from nine months out. Yeah, like, no. Well, you could do like something from the toast, like a clip of you on the toast nine months in. That's the thing. It's like sometimes I feel like I don't like capture enough.

Somebody make like an edit for me. Yeah. Of turn. Like a Taylor Swift song or something. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes I feel like I don't capture enough content. I'm like I actually capture content like hours long every single week. Oh, that of course.

But I thought you were talking about the struggle of being people who don't share their kids on Instagram. Oh, that's a different struggle. But no, I'm like, actually, what do you mean? I just made an hour-long video. We have clips. I know, I know. We are two of the funniest people. And I know us offline.

When I tell you, there aren't two more caring, charitable, generous people. Yeah. Mazel to hope to you. Thank you so much. And Mazel tov to you as well. Thank you. Four is a big deal. And it's also just like four years of me being a mom.

Not only having a four-year-old, but I've been like, I've been doing it. It's important to center yourself on your kids' milestones because it's also about you. Well, no, but like only just for Harry. Like when Charlie has a birthday, like I was still, it's not like I was a mom for two years. Right, right. Four, I guess then I'll have been a mom of two for three years. But I've been doing it four years and shout out to me. Shout out to us.

What's that speech? Shout out to me. I want to thank me. Yeah. Do it. Some mom will know the reference. It evades. me um what else

i watched so much tv last night yeah i was doing my homework last night we played mage yesterday we did play mage yesterday i didn't know if you wanted to talk about it because i didn't win and jacky won so many times i just like slayed mage maybe my brain is coming back maybe that's what's happening probably not i think i just had a good day listen some days you have it and some days you don't yeah i'm like so excited to mage with my wits about me like i can't even tell you i'm not like and when i'm not like sweating the whole time like okay but just you know I wasn't breastfeeding. I was sweating the whole time yesterday too. Mosh's sweaty game.

It's a lot of brain activity. And I think that burns calories. Yeah. And stress. And it's a lot. Your body's working overtime. Except like the Maj snacking needs to stop. Like it's insane how much we snack. Yeah. Like I sat down with a bowl of non-parrelles. Like that's fucking crazy. Yeah. For me, like that's my sweet treat. And I'm, I'm unlimited in what I can take down. but when I am, like, the good thing about when I mage after I'm done breastfeeding is I'll have my wits, but I won't be snacking. Like, I won't have that.

I'll be hitting the fruit, you know? Yucky. Maybe a couple celery sticks. You know, I hate to be that girl, but like we have so much to do today. Yeah. The stories. The stories are not ground baking, but interesting. Not ground baking.

Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like they are just interesting little bits and bobs of what the peeps are up to. Speaking of a conversation. That would be a great title. people would want to listen to that episode. It's a little little bits and bobs of what the peeps are up to.

How about just bits and bobs? Is that click baity enough? Oh my God, we saw something yesterday. It was like one of our titles from, I don't even know when. Someone like wrote it out. Yeah. Couch potatoes deserve love too. Okay, title today.

Couch potatoes deserve love too. Part two. And I think I know what we were referring to Kevin Federn line. I'm sorry. They're not two more funnier charitable individuals. When I saw that, I was like, We titled something that? That's hysterical stuff. Our titles are insane. Yeah, we just, we get very, not to, not to zoom out. Yeah, let's zoom. It's a Friday. It's just like when we do

the show, like we just get very in the weeds with it and it's funny to see it out of glance sometimes. But I'm glad we chose that title because like it was clearly such an impactful conversation. I knew what we were talking about even today. It really summed up. And I think it was about his memoirs. Yeah, he gets a really bad rap. Like at the end of the day, yes, he's a couch potato who like, you know, just lives off of Brittany's child support. But he did raise those kids. Yeah. Just as a couch potato.

Memoirs of a fetterline. He's kind of an inspiration to me. That's goals for you? To be a like successful parent who's also a full-time couch potato. And who's getting money. Yeah. Passive income. But like wherever it's coming from.

I love that. Goals. Yeah. For women everywhere. Kevin Federline. Inspiration. Businessman of the week. Oh my God.

Next week we're going to have to anoint another business. No, what we had said was that let's not like hold ourselves to having to have a businessman every week because then the segment will become like annoying and monotonous. When a businessman impresses us, like he will replace his fellow bit. I have a businessman of the week. I actually do. Who? Okay. Do not?

I forgot his name. Oh, okay. So he's definitely businessman of the week. I wonder who it is. It's Axel Dumas. Who the hell is that? Okay. You're going to love this.

He's the CEO of Armez. Okay. Which of course, we want Perkins. Oh, yeah, that's a great way to become. But he's like one of the very few people who was named several, several times in the Epstein files and is coming out looking like a hero. Epstein, like for like a couple years long period, became obsessed with meeting him. He was at like a play or something and he very quickly met him. And then he starts emailing everyone he knows, Woody and Sunyi.

Lex, of course, being like, I need to meet with Axel Dumas. So there are a million emails of his, him. emailing his assistant telling his assistant what to say to axel's assistant they get axel's assistant's information from woody and sun ye the assistant it's like clearly um like so meticulously written keeps avoiding him like does not want to be seen with him does not agree to meet with him like multiple times over years long um like literally from like 2010 to 2014 he recently gave an interview saying he believes that epstein was targeting him for something um and he just he knew that he was a bad guy and just said no oh wow did you see the same is true for joe rogan

No. Joe Rogan is in. His name came up because Epstein wanted to meet him. And one of the guests that Joe had on his show was trying to broker. Oh my God. Like was going to make the intro and Joe was like, I don't want to meet him. He's like, I googled him and I was like, no. Yucky. Yeah. It's so crazy how there's like so few people who did it. Axel Dumas, CEO of Hermes. Now I feel good spending all that money. Oh, let's go get Birkins. If only they would let us, you know. Or perhaps the businessman of the week could send us to. I'm looking I think I'm ready for a mini Kelly you know I think I'm ready for like seriously I'm not Axel if you no no no but like if you're like what would these girls like I don't I've just been introduced to them I don't know them yeah I actually um I have a mini Kelly like 25 oh we should do you do yeah okay um color I'm open for sure I'm thinking gold hardware they're so annoying yeah um let's get a printed picture of Axel Dumas and we'll keep him in the frame until he sends us Birkins. Okay, you guys, now further a do-da-do-do. Here are the fast five stories that you need to know. Today's episode of the toast is brought you by croissant. Cresson helps you shop smarter by putting resale value back into shopping so you can buy better, not more. When you shop

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Euphoria has died at the age of 53, nearly one year after announcing his ALS diagnosis. This is so sad. So sad. Eric Dane, AK, McS-Steamy. I don't know him from that. What do you know him from? I know him from Euphoria. But he's like he definitely has other smaller problems. Like, before I was like a much later, like, thing for him. Yeah, but he was such a familiar face. Let's do our... I feel like he was in, like, a walk to remember or something. Let's do our favorite activity.

IMDB. And honor his body of work, shall we? I love that. Marley and me. Oh, so good. So, Valentine's Day. Everyone was in that, though. Yeah, it's, like, kind of embarrassing if you weren't.

Yeah. What else? I don't know these movies, but I'm so familiar with him. Yeah. He's just one of those people that... I'm sorry, we're disgusting. Burlesque. Oh, of course.

Marshall. His name is Marshall, right? X. P-R-E-S-S. Love. Oh, wow. Such a good movie. Made set left such a indelial mark.

Made better by Eric Dane's performance as like the chilling developer. And teaching us about air rights. Okay, raise your hand if you only know what air rights are because of the movie Burlesk and Eric Dane's body of work. Me. Me. I was like literally talking about air rights the other day. They're very important.

No, especially in the city when like you buy apartments or like you rent apartments for views. Well, it's like what are the air rights? Could like a big tower go right in front of my apartment? I feel like you can't get air rights in New York City. It's like they're pre-established. Because everyone's just building everywhere. Yeah.

But look out for air rights. Thank you, Eric Dane. Also, euphoria. Graze Anatomy, I think is the biggest one. I think at one point in my life I watched Grey's Anatomy because I'm like, I know McSteamy and McDreamy. I feel like I gave it a shot. You don't ever feel like that?

No, I know for a fact. And like it's something I'm kind of proud of. It's like I've never seen one minute of that show. Not even a clip. Like nothing. Nothing. Oh, I get a lot of clips now. Oh, sorry.

I've seen a clip. Do you get those clips? Like I get a lot of like medical show clips where it's like someone comes in like. For a diagnosis. It's like a four minute clip and I have to watch the whole thing. Yeah, of course. It's, I didn't realize that trend finally made its way to reel. Oh, no, no.

It's been happening for a while and I was losing a lot of time watching like movies quickly on Instagram. That's why I started watching Young Sheldon. From Clips. Because I was getting full episodes in like three separate clips. And I was like, you know what? The show looks kind of good. Interesting. Yeah, it like inspires. And I'm sorry, I have seen a clip from Grey's Anatomy. There's like a famous

episode where they like weirdly decide to make it a musical. You know, they've done so many episodes you just like have to keep doing stuff. And Che, Sarah Ramirez, is Che from and just like that. Someone's dying in the hospital and she starts singing to all of these lines across my face. I'm like, don't ask me why I know that.

I've never seen the show. I don't know if she's like a regular or she's just made a cameo, but all those lines across her face. I love that. And he was married to Rebecca Gayhart, yeah? I don't know how that is. You don't?

Yes, you do. That's so sad. I saw a picture of his family. He has two beautiful daughters. But I didn't recognize his wife. You would know her. She's a famous actress. And they are still married.

She's in Jawbreaker. Oh, who does she play? She plays one of them girls. I killed Liz. I killed the teen dream. Deal with it. She's on the left. Mm-hmm.

She was like a sidekick. She was like one of the girls. The three, yeah. Yeah. I killed Liz. I killed, that movie was so fucking crazy. Yeah, it was. And very good.

So good. Yeah. That was like a genre of like films we watched when we were kids that we were like a little too young team watching. They were like old school. Like, why were we watching so many times don't tell mom the babysitter's dead? Like that was a movie.

from like 10 years before we were born. I'm right on top of that, Rose. So good. So good. I killed Liz. I killed the teen dream. Deal with it. She was so crazy for that.

Who played the main girl, the killer? Rose. Yes. Rose. Rose. Me too, Rose. No, no, Roseburn. What's her name?

I could look it up again. Hold on. Well, that's so crazy that that's her. Like, she shaved her head. Rose Me Going. Rose McGowan. Yes. I killed Liz.

I killed the teen. Great. Deal with that. Julie Greer is in it? Judy Greer. I love Julie, too. That's her sister. What the fuck isn't Judy Greer in? She's a queen.

She's Lucy Greer now. Oh, she's Lucy Weiman now. Like, seriously, so sad about Eric. Yes, very, very sad. ALS is so sad. It is. And he came out with his diagnosis 10 months ago, so it's been 10 months since.

I mean, we don't know how long he's been suffering. Is he in the upcoming season of Euphoria? So they're filming it currently? No, I think it's done because we saw trailer i have no idea that's you're the euphoria spokesperson you covered the euphoria beat i i literally cover the euphoria beat yeah like you're on the ground euphoria reporter okay is eric tainan euphoria season three it's only gonna be season three of the show that yes he filmed a few episodes of the upcoming um and whose dad does he play Nate he's like very toxic masculinity spoiler light he's also

gay Jacob allorty his dad oh oh so he's like you're you got to be good at sports and fuck a lot of girls. And he's over here, like, you know. Is he in the closet? Yeah, of course. But, like, they found out at the end. Oh, okay. But he's not, like, living his life as a game.

Like, I haven't watched the show. So you're saying to me, like, he's gay. No, no, he has, like, a wife and a family at home. And he just, like, you know, cruises at night. Got it. Okay. With some of, like, the local teens. God.

Very inappropriate. That is inappropriate. Well, speaking of Jacob Allorty, our next story is about Jacob Allerty because he's allegedly been offered the role of James Bond. Okay. In Dennis Villeneuve's Bond 26. So a big question in pop culture, like, who's the next Carrie Underwood? Who's the next James Bond?

Why are we always talking about who's the next Carrie Underwood? Don't you feel like? She's not dead. Always talking about who's the next Carrie Underwood. She's not dead. It's literally like Nashville, like rising stars in country. I guess we sometimes say like who's the next Taylor Swift. I guess.

But like, I feel like as a society, we all do that. No, it's just us. Okay. I was just trying to like. No, it's us. It's us. We're the problem. But everyone else is always asking who's the next James Bond. And they, like, never tell us. But I thought they chose Aaron. Yeah, the guy with the older wife. With the 50-year-old wife.

I thought they chose him. Yeah, I think they did too. But maybe there's like a rival bond because you said it's like on 26. But yeah, as speculation continues over who will succeed Daniel Craig is 007. What about Aaron? Oh, several actors have been linked to the role, including our Aaron Taylor Johnson, Tom Holland. Oh, but that wasn't confirmed. I'm sorry, not to be mean, but Tom Holland cannot be James Bond.

Like, you, I'm sorry, you can't be everything. No, but they just, like, need other names to, like, fluff up the story. They're doing Jeopardy. They're doing Jeopardy. Now, we need to come up with, like, a verb that meet, like, what Jeopardy did with their host, where, like, we were so excited to see, like, after Alex Trebek died, like, who would pass the torch. They waited so long. They tried so many people.

It's low-key what Jenna and friends did. They did it too long. Now with Bond, where we all stopped Karen. Like we would have, like there was a time when we cared so much who was hosting Jeopardy, who was replacing Hoda, who was going to be Bond. And now like so many rumors, so many stories, years and years, I actually don't care anymore. And I don't think whoever is going to be Bond next. It's like, Bond is over. I'm in shock that Aaron Taylor Johnson didn't come out with the Bond movie came out.

Right. Now it's like the Bond after Johnson. No, it's the Bond after. Daniel Craig, which is literally. And I'm sorry. So long ago. It's so long ago. And then making bonds with Daniel Craig while he was like seriously on life.

Like, they just, they handled the whole thing poorly. So what do you think about Jacob Allorty as the next James Bond? Well, they got me. I actually like an obvious choice. Like, yeah. Is he British? Yeah, Australian. Okay, so he has an accent.

Oh, yeah, sorry. Americans can't do it. Even though Miles Teller's grandma said he could. Remember that? Well, if he said, if she said it. When people were talking about Miles Teller, maybe one of my favorite toast clips, we have to post it. It's like from five years ago.

When Miles Taylor was, like his name was being thrown around back when like we were talking about Bond again literally five years ago. People were talking about Miles Teller and like a lot of people were like, he can't. Like he can't do it because he's American. And his grandma took to Twitter being like, well, you know, he could talk like British. And it's like, well, yeah, he's an actor. Yeah. I would support Miles Teller as Bond. One thing about me, I support Miles Teller, period. Yeah. So. Jacob Allorty. Sure. I mean, we could be good for Olivia. I do feel like even though Jacob They're not.

No, I like saw him. I was spotted with another girl. Twice, the same girl twice. I feel like even though Jacob has like a couple. Olivia moved to New York City. Big projects under his belt. Like he's now Wuthering Heights, Frankenstein. Yeah.

I just feel like his role, like he's still up in the air. It's a little stifling. Like, it's a full-time thing. I'm sure Daniel Craig did other projects, but nothing impressive or remarkable. I saw him in a play that was so horrible. He did knives out. That was after bond.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? In between Bond. Oh. You are Bond. It's your whole thing. You don't do stuff outside of it. I think anyone would like jump at the chance to just like be Bond.

That's all you're going to be. You don't like when Oscars or anything. So I feel like Jacob Lordy is like on the Oscar track. Oh, fine. It's like very commercial. It's very Tom Cruise. I don't know. I'm like worried about Jacob Lord.

I just feel like he doesn't have like staying power. I can't. Oh, you're worried about him? Yeah. Well, maybe you should see Weathering Heights because there's a lot of Oscar Buzz like saying like this is like this is like. Oh really? I guess I haven't seen him in anything since the kissing booth.

So maybe that's why I'm worried. I'm like, what is he going to do next? If he didn't get nominated for an Oscar from the kissing booth, like he has no hope to ever because that was the greatest acting performance of all time, especially in the movie too. We had to act like he didn't fucking hate Joey King after they broke up. Yeah. Like the way that the kissing booth was the best movie I'd ever seen is crazy.

Second to all the boys I loved before. Well, you saw it before to all the boys. And then after to all the boys, everyone was like kissing booth sunk. And it's like, why can't they just both have been good? The Kissing booth started this, like, insane genre on Netflix where they had to, like, beat it dead for two years of, like, young adult, sometimes adapted from books, but not always. Always starring Jacob Alorty or Noah Centennial. And the different, like, the paths that they both took are so different. Remember the one where, like, he, like, blind dates the girl?

Sierra Burgess. Yeah. Sierra Burgess is a loser. Mm-hmm. What about tall girl? Remember that one? No. Where Sierra Burgess was tall?

It was about a tall girl. I think that was the name of the movie. Okay. Tall girl. You saw it. That was such a crazy time. Do you remember like Peter Kaminsky? Yeah, look, it's called.

Sabrina's in it. She was a little friend, yeah. I miss Sabrina's acting era. I know. Well, she's going to be Alice in Wonderland. Actually, is that confirmed? Yeah. I thought it was like fan.

No, I think it's pretty confirmed. You don't remember Tall Girl? No, I must have missed that. She was very tall. Oh, actually, I'm sorry. Of course I remember Tall Girl. It just hit me like a truck. I just want to be.

say like in hindsight, I'm sure we all were like, I'm going to watch tall girl tonight. In hindsight, that's like an insane name for her movie. I know, because it's just like her only thing was that she was tall. And it's an insane concept and it's like, okay, we've made YA movies. Now let's make it tall. No, no. And every, like, they were really inclusive. Like, it was a lot of representation.

Like, I remember, like, the Korean community was obsessed with all the boys I love before. Like, their cuisine was put on. Like, everyone was, like, talking about, like, how amazing their snacks were. Remember those yogurts were selling out at like H-Mark's across their kind? entry. And so it's like, then they had to do tall. Like, it was crazy. It was a crazy time. I do think it slowed down. Oh yeah. They don't make movies like that anymore, but I just want to say I loved that time. Yeah. I loved those movies. And I was like almost 30 watching them. A rush to make them. Yes. Yes. It was like an avalanche. They all like are mixed up in my mind, except for kissing

booth and to all the boys I love before. And like prom? Remember or F the prom? No. I feel like I saw more of them and you did. It was like Madeline Petch. It's your genre, like bad movies. And it's my favorite. Oh, what was the one? Maybe it was prom. No, there was another one. Please help me.

No, no, no, no, no. And we found it to be like a little anti-Semitic. Oh, of course, where the villain was raised. Of course we did. Cammy Mendez, they went to like a private school in Miami. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sophie Turner was in it, right? Wait, hold on.

Let me look at Cammy Mendez's body. And Sophie Turner. And like the villain was like this, like, rich kid who was always wearing a star of David necklace. Mm-hmm. It was anti-Semitic for sure. Oh, do revenge. Wow.

With like Maya Hawk. Oh, yeah, Maya Hawk. Yeah. Cammy Mendez was in a lot of these two. You know? A dream rule. Yeah. The perfect date.

I think I was with Noah Centennial. There were so many Noah Centennial ones. Oh, my God. That was funny. Are you ready for our next story? That's actually kind of adjacent to what we're discussing. Okay. A new book adaptation has been cast.

Emily's Henry's Beach Read will star. Oh, enough with Emily fucking Henry. Will star Phoebe Denver. Whatever. You didn't read Beatrice, I did. Which one was that? I read a lot of them. They were on a beach in Michigan and there were neighbors.

She went back to her home and she fixed it up. Why wouldn't I have read Beatricee? I read happy people. Beatriz was like the first that made, Emily Henry really popular, so then you read what came out next. That was really buzzy. People we meet on vacation is where you started with her. Yeah, maybe.

I mean, I could check my good reads. Actually, you know what I will. What was it called? Beach read. You didn't read it. I know you didn't. Really? How do you know?

Because I'm always like, I liked beach reading or like I didn't read it. Really? I feel like I hated it. I actually liked it. I remember chuckling a couple times. It's like totally cute. No, I didn't read it. Romcom.

I've just had enough of Emily Henry. Like somebody lied to everyone. I don't know why everyone's been brainwashed into thinking any of these books are good. I'd actually like the people we meet on vacation movie. So that bodes well for Beach Read movie. Okay, so Phoebe Dinever and then who's the romantic lead? We don't know yet, but how do you feel about Phoebe Denver? Why are you saying her name like that?

I'm trying to different ways. There's a lot of letters in her last name. Dinever? How do you spell it? Denver. D-Y-N-E-O-R. D-V-O-R. Denver. diamond of the season.

She kind of fell off, don't you feel? Like, we always talk about how, like, Ray J-Jean Paul fell off because he left that show to, like, pursue other things. Well, really, she stayed, and it didn't really do much for her. Maybe there's a Bridgeton curse. Yeah, I kind of feel that. Same with, um... Emma Thrones?

No, the second season, the lead, Kate... Her name was Kate, or is her name Kate in real life? A very beautiful girl. She also went nowhere. Simone Ashley. Is that the Viscan who love me? But Jonathan Bailey. But he was famous before.

Jonathan Bailey. He was famous before. He had a huge, like a theater career. Was he? Yeah, he was. He was. You'll be happy to be there. Dancing through life down at the Oz Duss.

If only because Duss is why we come to. Nothing matters, but knowing nothing matters. Dancing through life. Literally the best scene in that first movie. Yeah. When he was like ticking. I always listen to soundtrack again. I always listen to dancing.

Oh my God. When he was like twinkle toes on that wood plank, I literally, like, that was the happiest I've ever been since be our guest in Beauty and the Beast. Also, for this movie, it's the same director. So they're kind of like copy pasting people we meet on vacation. Okay, you know what? I think it's good. People we meet on vacation was hella cute.

Yeah, I think, well, like, just like we were in, like, we used to be in, like, the Y.A. romance movie whole. I think right now we're in, like, the Y.A. book adaptation whole. That's fine. Can we just choose some other authors? Like, there are so many good books out there. Yeah. Like Megan Quinn.

Like somebody adapt a Megan Quinn book if you care. What's Megan Quinn? She's like smut queen. Like everybody thinks Tessa Bailey, no. And where does it happen once summer? Where's our movie? Where are all the books that like got adapted? I don't know.

And why do like particular ones make it to the finish line when others don't? I don't know. I wish I understood like how this worked more. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? It's some more like content news. Okay. Chelsea Handler is going to develop a Hulu

comedy series about a washed-up reality star. So Hulu is developing a comedy series from Zoe Young that has Chelsea Handler attached to executive produce and potentially star. The potential series is called Townhouse. Per the official logline, the show follows a washed-up reality star in her live-in entourage of misfits as they scrambled to rehab her image and reboot her career. When her estranged daughter unexpectedly moves into their crumbling Manhattan townhouse, the TV husband is confronted with the one role she spent her entire life avoiding. Motherhood. Now, I've got five words for you. Cut Sonia Morgan, her check, clearly inspired by her life story.

Don't you think? The townhouse? Come on. I guess just the townhouse. Reality star washed a band of misfits, like all of her interns. Yeah. Like this is so Sonya Morgan coded. Oh, I guess.

You don't think so? No, because like she became a reality star in the townhouse. Okay, it's not a perfect. No, but I don't like, no, because I just don't know. It doesn't feel that way to me. Because you always like don't support my calls. That's why. Yeah, that's fine.

When you scratch, when your call scratches the itch, I'll let you know. Sure. Because I support your calls and you don't support mine. Do you want blind support for your calls? No, I just think you don't see me. I know we're having, we had this competition already. You just don't see me.

That's why you don't see my calls. But I see you from the inside out and everything you say I agree with because I see you. So why don't you agree that that calls are good? That what? That that call's not good. Because the call's coming from inside the house. Bitch. This sounds cute.

Yeah, cute. like throw back to Chelsea Hamler. I like, you know, forgot. Wait, no, she doesn't act. Does she? No. She's like a commentator. So this would be her four-A and to acting.

This reminds me of, sorry, you know what, it reminds me of that show that you loved with the brothers. Let me think. The show that I love. Oh, with the siblings, the other two. Yeah. Five words. Bring back the other two.

I can't, did you ever watch it? Yeah, I watched some of it. Fucking hysterical. Yeah. That was such a weird. I know they. had like an investigation toxic workplace like seriously i don't give a fuck like i don't give a fuck is that what happened yeah there was like it ended so abruptly and it wasn't the biggest show ever on

HBO but it was pretty big and it had a really like insane following and it seems so random because it was gaining a lot of momentum that's all so why the first season was good and then the second scene was really you know and so a show with so much momentum like why you would nip it in the buddy they have so much crap on HBO um and then there was like a report that there was an investigation into the showrunner and like the show was a toxic workplace and yada yada harassment, one of the other. But does it does not remind you of this a little bit? The vibe?

Kind of. Just because it's what, like about the industry? Yeah, and like, you know, some outcast, downtrodden industry discards. Yeah. Well, yeah, yeah, industry discards. I love that. I love shows about the industry, like entourage, obviously. Hacks.

Hacks. Like, that's a little bit more satirical. I love shows about the industry. You should watch industry. No, because that's about a different industry, like finance. What industry? Are you sure? Yeah.

Yeah. I watched the first episode of industry. I told you I also got confused because I thought it was the first episode of, um, what's the Apple one with Adam that everybody loves? Oh, in the boxes. Yes, in the boxes. No, I watched the first episode of severance. No, no, sorry.

I watched the first episode of industry. And then I went on the podcast and told everyone that I watched the first episode of severance. And they were like, are you sure you watch the show? I'm like, yeah, the guy like was doing drugs. It was Industry was a show that like made me never Like want to watch TV ever again It was so pit inducing in the worst way

Yeah I feel like they love a strong drama With a strong title like succession You know Yeah Industry Severance yeah a one word of like a word You have to Google They're literally making shows on thissaurus.com

They're like coming up with the name And then making a show around it I love that What's the story? Oh yeah townhouse Some exciting content And so the very content heavy day, a lot of upcoming excitement. I can't wait for half of these things to never air.

Right. We're so waiting how Legly Blonde 3 written by Mindy Kaling. Right. It's supposed to be coming two summers ago. Don't we have a list of like things we're waiting for? We were waiting for confessions of a female founder. It came and went. Let me search Lemonada.

That's usually how I can find the things we're waiting for. We're always waiting for it happened one summer book adaptation. Oh, I saw a commercial yesterday for regretting you, Colleen Hoover adaptation. I like how that one's not really being promoted. I guess she's like scarred. It looked really turned. Like it's giving lifetime smut. She like goes to jail and loses custody of her daughter

and then moves back to the town to be near the daughter and her father. And of course, her and the father ended up, you know. I just searched list on my phone. Like it's such a wormhole. Yeah. I can't. I saw like perfect casting one. It was perfect casting.

Where does he find her? Oh, Demilov sister. No, but it's like it just goes so deep. And I feel like when we're having the conversation about nepotism, we often do not talk about how important of a thing it is because it gave us one need to solace. When done right, chef's kiss because, you know, not anybody could have played that character. Some of these traits are genetic.

Right. So when done right, I support it. It's not all bad all the time. Only when it comes to Ben Platt. Did you see Ben Platt is like jacked? He's been gone for a while and then like his husband posted a picture of him in the gym. Like he's enormous now. I have to go look.

Yeah. And actually, actually. Ben Platt isn't all bad all the time because he is talented. No, that's the unfortunate thing about being Ben Platt's number one fucking hater. You have to acknowledge that not only is he probably one of the most talented vocalists of our time, but his debut album, like, they don't make music like that. In case you don't live forever, let me tell you now. I love you more than you'll ever wrap your head around.

In case you don't live forever, let me tell you. tell you the truth. I'm everything that I am because of you. Isn't that about his parents? So thank you so much for bringing that up. He walks all over. I think they're like, like strange now, right? Yeah. I'm so curious about the Platt family dynamics because like they're all low key, like famous in their own circles. Like Jonah Platt is like probably one of the most, we were like a, we were playing Majan with a bunch of Jewish girls like, do you follow Jonah Platt? He's like our hero. He's like a Theodore Herzl of our time.

Like, we're obsessed with him. Like, every Jewish girl is obsessed with Jonah Platt. Mark Platt is, like, one of the biggest producers. Like, if you're in production, you know him. And then there was, like, the drama with Rachel Zuggler. And then, of course, Ben Platt. So they all operate in, like, three different universes. But I just know, like, they all fucking hate each other.

Yeah. Yeah, but then he writes that song. Like, I don't know how Joda Platt doesn't hate Ben Platt. It might have been before he, like, was radicalized. And he, like, loved his parents. Yeah. He loved his heritage. And before he lost all of that.

It's the same. with like AJ Alex Edelman. You know he hates his brother. Who's his brother? He's an Israeli Olympian. Oh, it's not Julian Edelman? It's not Julian Edomondon.

No. They're just like kind of like... And he's a comedian, Alex Edelman? Yes. Who's dating Anna Kendrick? Right. Yeah. It's all coming back to you now.

I just know he hates his brother and I know his brother thinks he's a low life, like a Hollywood. Like I just, I have the feeling, you know? He's a brother. I wonder if Ben Platt and Alex Edelman get together and talk about like their brothers who they find him.

They're shared interests. Yeah. There's Zionist brothers. Yeah, right. Our fifth and final story is going to lead into Traders Recap. Oh, okay. So our Traders Recap, our TV recap, and just like all things about good television. The back half of the show is brought to you by America's Next Top Model.

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Do? I feel like I'm fine. I think that was so good. That's so rude. See, you don't support my calls. You don't support my attempt. Yeah, no. I'm just taking after you.

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When they say explosive, they mean it, they're really pulling back the curtain on what happened behind the scenes, the pressure, the production choices, the emotional toll, and the cultural impact of a show that was both groundbreaking, but deeply. So you're going to hear from former contestants, the judges themselves, and you'll see how certain moments were created, edited, and framed for TV. And suddenly things that you thought were just good reality TV start to feel very different when you understand the full context. It's giving a lot of perspective, accountability, and really showing like how much we personally let slide in the 2000s. It'll make you reflect on how much reality TV has evolved since then. And because America's Next Top Model walked so every competition show could run, it really normalized the idea that you could be made or broken on national television.

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about the reunion. She had said last week I saw a quote from her that she had said that like it all goes down pretty much like justice is served. I heard that like Colton walks off and somebody brings up the stalker. So she clarified the rumor that Colton stormed out of the reunion. She said, well, this is what she said.

That wasn't how she understood it. She said, I didn't see it myself. I saw him leave, but I saw other people leave too to go to the bathroom and such. But it took a long time for people to come back that I can share with you. but let's put it on the record because they probably won't air it, right? I said, Colton, I have a question for you.

What did you mean when you said I'm going to take her hostage? I'm dying. Lisa's so funny. She read tweets and did research. And you know what? I appreciate that. That's all I said. And that spun him out that she said.

Okay. Obsessed. It's just reminding me of like how many interesting people were on the show because... How good the show used to be? Yeah. Like, I was watching so passively, even though I had low expectations for the episode just because, like, quite literally not one person there do I care about. I don't even know who I'm rooting for anymore.

I'm kind of rooting for Mark Ballas. Like, I don't even know who the fuck I'm running for. No, I think Mark Ballas is actually like, well, he did say. No, I'm sorry, the worst one. Say it with me. Three. Wait, hold on. Oh.

Three. Well, the worst faithful or the worst? The worst person on the show right now. Three, two, one. Tara. I'm sorry, what Tara did last night was so awful. But she was so close. I'm not not rooting for her and Johnny.

But at one point, I understand like you don't want to get off the show because like more episodes is good. So like you're afraid to say something. But at this point, there's one or two more episodes. like why is she so afraid to take even the smallest of risks? I think she was afraid to get it wrong and be the leader of the charge. No one wants the responsibility of making the choices and being the one that got it wrong. And I think last week when she did it to Stephen, she did not like how it felt. And so even though like all day she's, and I think Tara's like a sweet person.

So I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt that she didn't leave the Natalie out to dry just because. But I think all day she's like really playing the game theorizing whatever. But when it comes to like actually making accusations and pointing fingers at the table, like she doesn't want to be the one to do that again. She's also not good at it. Yeah. I'm sorry. When we talk about like the biggest weenies, it also cannot be understated,

Mora. I mean, if Mora isn't like such a stereotype, like how little it takes for you to blindly try. Like she wouldn't even consider the conversation and then ran back and told him. I mean, it's so like, she's such a loser. And also at this point, you need to like just look at who's left and who when Natalie keeps saying, why am I still here? who's keeping me around.

It's because you do want voices of people who support you because they'll always vote for you. Like Rob knows he can count on Morris vote. He can count on Mark's vote. He up until this week could count on Natalie's vote. And so when they're accusing Natalie of sending home gamers because that would throw us all off. No, like if she were a traitor, you need those voices of support because the deck is stacked when you have people who believe you and who want to go with you. Just like if Johnny was a traitor, Tara would always go with him.

So like their logic was so off. They don't know which road to walk down and they refused to like really look into why Candice was throwing out Rob's name. So I was glad to see that Mark was like, yeah, that was a red flag for me too. But Mark is like probably the least intuitive one there because at least Tara throughout, like had the thought of Rob and brought Rob to the table. And I think Johnny said at this point, I think it's Rob and Eric. I could see being like, at least someone's like close. I know, but they just, they guess everyone. And now there's so few people left. I'm not even finding it impressive that somebody said Tara, somebody said Rob. It must be really weird to be in a room where like,

everyone's trying to figure out who the traitor is and you know that one or two are among you and like you actually can't trust anyone that you're talking to like I imagine it really is a mind fuck at this point plus they're in like you know a bubble closed like I think it really gets to be very and the goal is to like be paranoid and be suspicious I think it really starts to like eat at you do they know how many traders are left no but they do know that people turn they do yeah so they're saying like one or two left it's incredibly lame of rob to be riding so hard for Eric because like the reason he threw Lisa under the bus

was because Lisa was getting suspicious. She was like a liability. Eric sucks at being a traitor. He's such a liability. The first roundtable he went to, Kristen was on to him and now Mark was on to him after last night. So the way he's like so not throwing Eric under the bus

is very suspicious. And I don't understand why they're not more suspicious of Eric. Like I can make the case for why no one there is a trade. Like Johnny and Tara I think are safe. Natalie people really started to believe she's not a traitor. They just voted for her because like...

Because what else? They got confused. No, because they're afraid of... Nobody seems to think Mark is a traitor for whatever reason. They trust Rob, even when confronted with maybe it's Rob. They're like, no, it's not Rob. Why? Like, to me, Eric is the most obvious traitor.

There's no reason to argue why he's not a traitor. He doesn't throw anyone. He's just like coasting the whole time. Also, Mark, literally Kristen said, if I get killed tonight, it's Eric. Oh, okay. So this is where Mark is so dumb. And now Mark is like, well, maybe it's, you know, to throw me off to think it was Eric. Kristen literally told if I go home tonight

and Mark didn't want to tell anybody that he didn't want to bring it up at the round table I don't know and also it's like they're like why did Candace throw out Rob's name and it's like if they would just go one step further and be like well when Lisa the first time she threw it out is when Rob went for Lisa and Lisa wound up being a traitor that must have made can't that's when Rob started turning

on his fellow traitors right if Rob is the traitor then he went for Candace and Candice was leaving crumbs they just like there's it's right there No, but they don't really have the courage to go there, even if they were able to put it all together. They would be able to explain it away. Really, the roundtable, I say this every week. The show is so fascinating because it's seriously a sociological experiment. To see all these people, like, have actual concerns, legitimate concerns about Rob, not voice them and get so,

Rob's sitting there smiling when the conversation now becomes a fight between Tara and Natalie. Like, it's so just silly and funny how humans, like, are easily manipulated by people. And I also think it's not good for women. Mora? Mora, but also Tara and Natalie, like, getting distracted. They were aligned on Rob, and they had really good reasons for Rob, and instead they start, like, infighting with each other. Yeah, but I think the Mora thing is more embarrassing.

Like, Mora couldn't, would not even entertain the conversation. Like, she's so, like, swooting. Yeah. But they're not even in love. When she fucking finds out. I don't think she's even going to care. I don't think she's taking this very seriously. Right.

And that's why it's weird that she's still there. Who do you think? I appreciated her saying that being like, I don't know why I'm still here. I'm not good at this game. So like, why are you crying, Tara? Yeah. Who do you think they'll kill tonight? Is everyone an option?

Except for, yeah. Except Eric. Um, I think that they should kill Mark because that's their ally. I know they then lose a vote, but it really makes them look like very innocent. I think they look more innocent if they kill Mora. Because people would think Rob would never kill Mora. Right, right. Because she, but they shouldn't kill more because she will always vote with Rob.

He needs her vote. Right. So if you kill Tara or Johnny, then you're kind of like, the whole opposition is gone. No, not only that. If you kill Tara or Johnny, that makes, like, Johnny's not a faithful. And I think whatever Tara is, Johnny is and whatever Johnny is Tara is. So you're then getting rid of two distractions. No, but at this point, they don't need distractions anymore.

Like if they get rid of Tara or Johnny, he will still have the vote from Mark and Mora, Eric. Well, sorry, what happens next? There's no more roundtables. So I guess the faithfuls have one more shot. This is just me guessing. Have one more shot at guessing the traitors. They put it in.

And then all will be revealed. Then the game is over. And so if they... Is next week the finale? I think so, yeah. Okay, good. It's enough. It is enough.

So I think, honestly, they just have to kill Tara or Johnny because Eric, Rob... Mora. And Mark is like... 75% Team Rob. Like, he is capable. He might have to be the one to, like, save everyone. But I think they'll never get Mora to flip. And so if he goes against the group,

like I think it's kind of in, it's one, the game is one already. By Rob. Yeah. Yeah. Rob had like a moment of reflection. First of all, Rob like lashing out at the carnival was weird. Yeah.

But then he had like a moment of reflection for the first time. Like, you know, the sociopath was like, I feel bad for all the people I'm hurting. I actually did not buy it. I think that Rob will get them all to turn on Eric. And they'll banish Eric. They'll have gotten a traitor, but Rob was still in their midst.

Well, I think that that, that would probably be the best thing for Rob, because I think people are like, you couldn't go to bat for your trident and true traitors. Like the second thing got hard. You dumped Lisa. But this rando, Eric walks in at the 11th hour and you're like fighting for him.

It actually makes him look really bad and really misogynistic. Yes, but I think he needs his vote. Yeah. You know, because if Eric got out, if he worked it so Eric got banished instead of Natalie, Natalie's not a sure vote for Team Rob. Right.

She already started going for Rob, so she had to go. Her speech made me so upset. Like, first of all, I can't believe she was in that dress all day with the heels. Like I know, so I read about the schedule. Like, you do full glam by yourself in the morning. You go to the castle all day. You change there for the challenge into like running clothes. You get back to the castle, put back on your outfit.

Like, I think you're allowed to touch up your makeup a little bit. And then the round table goes into the wee hours. And then I was so uncomfortable for her in the dress and the shoes. Yeah. And then she gives this speech about how like she's always wanted to be strong. And now she feels. like it was like her greatest asset and then people here like used it against her and she's a faithful no and when they're like I think you're a traitor you're very smart you're very strong

you're good at the game it's like just because I'm smart doesn't mean I'm a traitor like so all faithfuls are dumb not only that like you don't achieve traitor status it's just given to random people so being smart it's not like you earned it right so like okay because I'm smart and because I'm smart you guys want to get rid of me when I could maybe help you it's very hard to judge everyone because I just know if my ass was in this house. Like I'd be dumber than all these people. I have no idea what I would be. I think it's so hard.

I don't think I would be good at it. I think you're right that like only a true sociopath as a faithful or a traitor can be successful. Like it's so like I'm being very judgmental of everyone like you're dumb, you're stupid, you're fat, you're ugly. I would be worse. No, I think that it's hard to be a really good traitor. I don't, I respect Rob's gameplay. But I think for the faithfuls, it's a bit of luck and like going unnoticed and just being like unremarkable. until a certain point.

Because then you've been like so quiet the whole time. That was like Lisa Rina. Yeah. No, but you can't do that as Lisa Rina. Yeah. Right, right.

Mark Ballas is like a perfect example. But even like Donna Kelsey. Like she engaged with no one because she was like afraid and they got her in like week two. Yeah. No. So it's really kind of like luck like who they're going to try and focus on. Except Rob is a skillful player. And it's like Colton got banished or like you know halfway through the game or whatever.

Would we say he was a good player even though he left early? So it's like weird. the best players aren't there. You know, it's like you, you aren't rewarded. Like, the people who make it far aren't the best players. They're lucky or unremarkable. And that's boring. That's the fatal flaw of the show.

Like the people that were loved with now, imagine if like the remaining six was like, Rina, Candice, Michael Rapaport. Colton. Donna Kelsey. Like, everyone, it was a good cast. Yeah. Who we were left with, like, that's just the fatal flaw of the game. Yeah, it is.

Why were the first three episodes, like the best TV I've ever seen in my life? Because it was a lot of different people, a lot of characters, a lot of personalities. And I know the secret traitor thing was like kind of dumb, but I did really like when people would get on the circle that I didn't know what they were going to say. Like now I know what everyone's going to say. And I'm like, yeah, stick it to them, Natalie. But it was a little thrilling to be like, is Donna the Secret Trader? Like not knowing who. For the audience.

I always wonder what the show would be like and how I would be as an audience member if I didn't know who the traitors were, would I be able to guess. So that was fun. You should try it one season. I didn't think it was Donna. I didn't think it was done. I thought it was for sure. Colton. Like elder abusers.

Yeah. This poor old lady. Yeah. I thought it was for sure Colton. Yeah. And the Real Houseways of Beverly Hills, which was really like I was like not like loving the episode. I thought it was kind of boring until Denise showed up.

I thought that was like the most fascinating conversation in reality TV history. One because like Denise's time on the show I believe was cut short. I think the women really did her dirty. And it was very interesting as she remained friends with. like a couple like Garcel. And I guess she kept in contact with Erica. And like now we know why Erica was like so moved by Denise's story. I was so shocked.

Like yeah. Like Erica spoke up. Like I was shocked. Yeah. I wasn't sure if it was the boy, the man. Sorry, boy, one of my three. The man that she's dating. Is that what she was referring to?

Because like how much time has passed? But then she said no, now she's dating someone else. So it was a relationship before that. Yeah. Who we don't know who she's been dating in the years since Tom. It was so crazy. First of all, Denise's stories about being. abused after her facelift.

Oh my God. On the toilet. Like fucking crazy. Like, you can't walk. Like, you can't go to the bathroom. You can't wipe yourself. Would you be more vulnerable? No. And that's how she knew.

Like that before the next surgery, she wanted, like insane. She looked amazing. And I love the transparency about facelifts. No, that was frightening. And then out of left field, Erica says it happened to me. Yeah, well, Erica was being so supportive. And like, she knew what, just what to say. And, like, she couldn't have been a better friend in that moment.

And then, yeah, then. she shared like that she knows how she feels because it's happened to her and that was just so sad. Sutton was also just like so there and like. And I want to say I thought it was very appropriate that Sutton got choked up in her confessional. Like when someone shares that with you, like you crying, stop. Like that's inappropriate. But it's such a heavy thing. And I thought it was like a real, just like a very graceful response from like to be there and supportive and ask questions, but not be like overly emotional. But then clearly like it's a shocking thing to hear in her confessional is like getting choked up about it. Yeah. I feel like all the women, at least,

the season are really good at being there for each other. Like even Erica has more like legal drama and like they've all reached out. Yeah. That sucks. It sucks. Because she's just like digging herself out of the hole that Tom left her in and she's working so hard. And it's like almost all for nothing because all of it has to go to her legal bill.

That's terrible. So I would love to have Denise back on the show. I loved her when she was on. I thought the women mistreated her so poorly. Kyle. Kyle doesn't get enough hate for that. Like she was so awful leaving the charge against. And Denise.

Yeah, of course. But Erica was, Erica is still best friends with Rina, yeah? They were best friends on the show after the show. It was a real friendship. Yeah. So I think, but I think like Denise hates Rina. Of course. Yeah.

So Erica's like in the middle. Now watching those old clips of Aaron like, I know. It's the hand crushing thing. I hadn't seen that before. I, I remember seeing it. And then it was just like that explained. Like it was just like, oh, yeah, it was a bad moment. Yeah.

And like men who get really involved, it's always nefarious. Like it's fucking weird. Yeah. Especially she's season one. None of the other husbands are. Honestly, I never said. I just remember, I don't remember exactly everything they did, but I just remember thinking like Denise and Aaron were such a great couple.

It was just supportive of one another. Yeah. Yeah, it's, you really never know. And then when Denise said he makes Charlie look like an angel. It's true. Mm-hmm. Because when I watched Charlie's documentary and like his greatest crime was that he was self-destructive. Like, he never really hurt.

Denise was in the documentary. I think like she, he was a terrible husband. But I think she loves him. and like they still try to actively co-parent and they have a good relationship. Like, he's worse than Charlie. Yeah, for sure. Shocking.

The episode was, like, kind of boring otherwise. Like, love to see the ladies at Surf Lodge. Oh, I loved the Hamptons watching, like, Doreke had her flirt on. Was so cute. Was that guy 26 or 40? I don't know. Zander.

Yeah, like, he didn't look 26 and he didn't look 40. He looked both. He actually looked both 26 and 40. I could have lived without, like, the whole thing. Why aren't all the girls there? It's a weird trip. And it really looked like they were having true fun. Yeah, it's like a perfect summer.

They do two trips on housewives, like a small one, like always like a little bit more local. And then they're going to Italy. But they already did. Oh, yeah, where'd they go, Santa Barbara or like? San Antonio. Oh, no, Arizona. Sedona. Too scone.

They did a local trip and then they do a big trip. But yeah, they could have done like a mid-sized trip where they all went to the Hamptons. And we're all at Surf Lodge and we're all going shopping. Like would be amazing. Yeah. And then it looks like next week, like Kyle calls Bose being like, I'm really concerned. About Dury because she's shopping. She, by the way, Erica's giving real empath this season. Like, even her conversation with Amanda, which was the first time I heard Amanda speak and I didn't like hate everything she said and, like, thought she was the worst. She's just coming, she's approaching the season with like a lot of, you know, feelings. Yeah. And like understanding. It's nice. It's so not her. She's like really like a rock solid friend. Yeah. I feel like she's just like a rock solid person. Oh, it was chilling when she said, you don't know what it's like to be the mother of a police officer. aren't enough to call 911.

Yeah. chilling. I always forget that Eric has a son who's a cop. Yeah. I also forget that she like has a son. Oh, I remember. It's just like,

I feel like it's a little incongruous with like her image, like her Erica Jane image, you know? Like Erica Gerardi had a kid. She's so 360. You cannot put Erica Jane in a box. No, I forgot about Amanda. She's been coming up on my time line a lot.

With her content? Her content. And it's definitely giving Bose's like on to something because like she's so wealthy from all these courses, right? She makes Instagram Reels that have like 700. abuse. Yeah. So what do you think that it is? Because Bo's is saying like she teaches you how to manifest money while also taking your money. So it's kind of like counterintuitive. Yeah, no, it's snake oil

salesmen. Like snake oil salesmen like snake oil salesmen live in nice houses because they are good salesmen. Yeah. But like if you want to spend your money learning how to make money, like that's how you like she's not breaking the law. Right. But it sounded like you were about to allude to like some sort of fraudulence because like how can how can you make that much money? It's not fraudulent per se in a. It's a question mark because how can you make that much money doing what she does? She lives in a nice house. And she shouldn't have said that her husband brings home no money because we would have just assumed like their dual income strong.

You know what I mean? But it definitely like leaves a question mark of how can you make that much money doing what she's doing? The thing she said about Doree was really mean about how like Doret's just jealous of Amanda because Amanda has never financially depended on a man. Oh my God. I was like, I was like no one was saying anything. Yeah.

But Doree financially depended on Amanda and it's really not working out for her. so mean. So I'm going through like a legal battle with their ex over custody and money. Like it's such a traumatizing thing. So uncalled for. I just hate her. Their argument, they're like petty squabbles have not reached a level where you've not gotten there yet. Where you need to say that about someone. Yeah. That was just like so out of left field. Yeah. So yeah, it was like kind of a boring episode. I mean, I kind of need the gals back together. It's now like two and a half episodes where they're on separate coats. And it's like, sorry, Erica should be in the Hamptons. Oh, I like that Rachel Zoh, like, hates Kyle.

Because it's like, it's true. Kyle is like this OG housewife. Everyone loves her. Everyone loves us. And it's like, where's that girl? You know? It's just like, this new Kyle is like definitely. And I don't think it has anything to do with her being sober.

She just like, she kind of sucks. And so I hear Rachel being like, you're like the OG of the BH. And it's like, this is it? No, and it has, I don't even remember that she's sober. I'm not interested in like watching drunk people. That's not like, so it has nothing to do with that. I also now notice what you said, which is that Kyle is very nasty in her interviews. Nastyer than, like, you know, at the table, she'll, like, not say anything. And then she'll undercut whatever Doreet said in her interview. And it's, it's going to make for an interesting reunion. But if I'm Dereat watching that, like, that's not your friend. No, and Rachel really likes to read. Yeah. But they're, I think they are similar personalities. They're very fashioning. And then they both have this, like, you know, divorce looming over their head. So they relate to one another. And I think soon, like, Rachel's dislike. or just like me on Kyle is going to get even worse because like she's going to start taking up for her friend.

I like that Rachel's like not afraid to get a little dirty. I wish she could go a little bit more, you know. Same, but I also think Kathy stands in her way. Even though like those. Kathy wouldn't stand in her way, but like she's not going to, meanwhile, the Hilden sisters. No one's nasty to them than each other, but like you can be. No, and I think Rachel would respect that that's Kathy's sister. Yeah.

And like not want to put Kathy in an uncomfortable position even though like Kyle chose Rinnaside over Kathy. But like Rachel's in a situation. Right. Remember it had her over? Of course. That was awful. Awful. So no, Rachel, like, joined this crew. Like, she has to work over the summer, but she's like, whatever, I think being a reality

star is fun. These women look like they have a lot of fun. And, like, she's wanting to have fun. And Kyle's, like, so not in a fun place. And she's, like, kind of not a fun person right now. So I just feel like it's not a good match them to. I don't know why she brought Kyle. And it was all to, like, help with Deree.

I think it was, like, to help her and Doree, like, see one another. Meanwhile, I haven't had, like, a meaningful conversation the whole time. But I guess also if she just brought like Doreet and Erica, well, that would have been my dream. Dream team. But she probably brought like Doreet and Kyle because like that's content. You know, like them, they need to have conversations and do the, the spiel. But they're not. But they're not even doing it.

So why is Erica sitting at home? Bring, why isn't Erica there? I feel sick. Even Jekyle could have been there. It's not one or the other. All of them went Bose and Bose. Where's Bose? Oh, sorry.

But she is not going on. Dream team is Bose, Erica, Rachel Doreet. Even though it looks like to read and Erica, like go at each other this season. I can't. It happens. As long as it's something we can't come back from. Well, that's your TV recap. That's our show for the, oh, no, sorry, it's Queenie and Wee.

Almost forgot. Sorry. Our final segment of the week is something we like to do called Queenie and Weenie of the Week. We give out two awards to two different people. It's extremely self-explanatory. Queenie of the Week and Weenie of the Week. It could be anyone from pop culture to world news, global impact. Queenie of the Week and Weenie of the Week.

So, Jax, would you like to go first with your Queenie? Yes. I think my queenie is pretty obvious. The man, the myth, the legend, Paul Salem. The joy that this photo, honestly, it's the frame. It's not even the man inside of it. Like, the joy this has brought me. People are lauding it as our best segment ever.

Like, I'm obsessed. And he is not only the first businessman of the week, but he's the first joint businessman of the week and Queenie and unanimous Queenie at that. Bacotta. So heavy is the head that wears the crown, Paul Salem. Don't fuck it up. He's the first businessman of the week.

And if I have anything to do with it, he'll be the last. Oh, wow. That means we don't get Jets and we don't get Birkins and we didn't get a sponsored segment. And then weenie. I actually had so many options this week. I, of course, wanted to throw Massimo's name around because just like imagine fumbling Lori Lachlan,

but I didn't end up going with him. I came very close to choosing Tara Lipinski because honestly, like, her behavior at the roundtable could only be described in one word. But I decided to go with someone else. And that's Lucy from Tell Me Lies, like getting in the car and and actually I want to also make we need the week anybody who thought like she had a plan getting in the car and that like Lucy's in control and she let him go because that's

also like this was all her idea um but Lucy like her getting back in the car like her getting back in the car her getting back in the car only to like do it all again at like Bree and Wrigley's wedding correct my weenie of the week is adjacent to yours it's from tell me lies and it's rigley's wig and the people who put it on his head and thought that that was a good idea I love that and in like the what's supposed to be like the penultimate moment of the show of Bree and Wrigley. So distracting. Finally getting together without morning breath and they're like looking their best and it's been years and he's in that wig.

Major plot hole. Agreed. Like show ruining. Do over. Like seriously do it over. Yeah. All right. Well, that's our show.

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