The Toast - Whatever Major Loser: Tuesday, June 11th, 2024

Episode Date: June 11, 2024

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Good morning, Millennials. Welcome back to the Toast, and happy Tuesday. Okay, like. Sure. Yeah, whatever you say. Like, say, yeah, it's Tuesday. To me, like, it's Thursday. It could be any day, really.

I guess we have to choose that it's the day of the twos. Whatever. Whatever. Yeah. Whatever made you a loser. Like, it's Tuesday, deal with it, okay? How about that? Honestly, the way Demetria shifted the culture with those fingers.

Like, the way she went W-E-M-L. You couldn't stop me from doing that in, like, the sixth grade. Seriously. That was a cultural shift. It was. And today is definitely giving that energy I know why for me like we already have thunderstorms today which is very exciting which is why I'm wearing like a big cozy sweatshirt are you gonna make a chili so I was thinking technically usually a cozy day calls for a chili but it's not in my palate right now like I'm very much like in my like sourdough as you all know like eggs and toasted and I want to save chili I don't ever

want to have a chili when I'm not ready for it I know what you should make what a beef stew because remember when we had your beef stew like it was so good with that croissant no what was it like a ciabatta bread what was it ciabatta what is this a panera what is that a baguette thank you I forgot I got my French words confused a baguette like the baguette was made it so good like imagine a fresh piece of sourdough but beef stew is so hearty like it's such a winter dish I can't explain it okay so you just like want to be difficult no no I'm not I'm just trying to pinpoint like what's a rainy summer dish? Sound off in the comments for real. Oh, okay, like a gazpacho?

Like, I don't know. No, but yeah. Romeo's here at work today. He's taking a little nap because he works so hard, but I just want everyone to know. What is that sound? I don't know, turtle. I feel like your roof is about to cave in.

I know from the thunderstorms, but yeah. No, there's definitely sound came from like your roof is about to cave in. I know, from the thunderstorms. But yeah, no, there's definitely, sound came from like an area that's just like house. There's no room over there. Oh my God, maybe it's like a possum in your like walls. Stop. Okay, let's just leave it at that. And hopefully that was that.

And let's just let the chips fall. Hopefully the possum has settled himself. Yeah, I mean, he's getting ready to listen to a fabulous episode of The Toast. Yeah, like, enjoy. Take your time. Maybe there's like a Go Macro bar laying around that you could chew on. Chew on that on Tuesday. Chew on that, possum.

And just let me get through the show. Yeah, yeah. We have business to attend to. We do have business to attend to. We do have business to attend to. Speaking of business, there's a lot going on over at the Patreon this week because. Oh my God, I totally forgot. Yeah. Claudia dropped a Patreon episode yesterday, like a summer fashion haul, which is like

so exciting and something that I that I was doing. So I wrote to Claudia. I was like, I've gotten I've done so much shopping recently, like I'm going to do a summer haul.. I was like, I've done so much shopping recently. I'm going to do a summer haul. And she was like, oh, okay, I'll do one too. So we both recorded ours yesterday and Claudia edited hers and posted hers before mine. Okay, I didn't like go rogue, by the way.

I said, by the way, my thing is uploaded in Patreon. So whenever you want to schedule the post, yours can go first, mine can go. It doesn't matter. But I wanted to get people content. And so, sorry. It's giving the usurper the hall usurper yes while it was Jackie's idea to do a hall lest we not forget who invented halls on the patreon like if we're gonna go there like no let's go there I'm just saying like you usurped my hall my hall is dropping today and I'm very excited about it so

we've just been like in content land is what I'm saying about getting down to business. My haul is getting rave reviews. I'm in the middle of your haul, but it's really hard to watch someone's haul, a successful haul and not click to buy everything. Like that first outfit that you're wearing from, she's wearing Abercrombie. How cute?

Need. I know. The thing is we're the same size, same like color. Do I buy my own or do I borrow yours? No, we'll be together this whole summer and I have it in two colors. But, you know, not to pit. You don't want to wear it. We should wear it at the same time like Mary-Kate and Ashley style.

In different colors. Not to pit haul against another haul, but I happen to know a little bit about your haul. And I just want to say, if you're looking for some affordable options, you're going to want to check out my haul. I think that's a generalization. And Jackie's is giving very much like Olivia Jade luxury holiday haul, you know, like what she's famous for. And it's important that our channel have both and be balanced.

I have a mix. I feel okay about saying. Okay. So that's dropping today from me. Get excited. From who? Me. And it's like, even though content week is over, Toast Shark week ended last week.

Like we still are doing so much content this week because that's who we are. It's almost like it's our jobs. You know, it's so crazy. We've already done two vlogs this week. Like that's major. It's major. I wanted to update everyone on my educational content journey I hit a bit of a stall last night I watched this movie the boys in the boat I've been wanting to watch it but every time

we go Ben's like not into it and he was out last night so I was like okay I'll watch it and honestly I hate to say it you know these are the three words that kills me but like Ben was right the movie stunk I couldn't even finish it like I think I got through like 40 minutes I've never even heard of it it's about it's apparently a true story about this rowing team at the University of Washington or whatever um during the Great Depression that like brings the nation joy I honestly I seriously didn't even get there I don't know what happens like the movie stunk my favorite Great Depression film is Annie my favorite Great Depression film is patreon.com slash the toast because it's greatly depressing no because all it's just it's just my favorite piece of work what is your association

with the Great Depression in terms of content like what do you know seto there's a couple movies that are like set in the Great Depression of course Annie classic but that one about the boxer Cinderella man I'm unfamiliar Russell Crowe that's another time period I currently have like some blinders on you know I'm not yeah if you want to read a book about the great depression Cinderella man set in the great depression played by Russell Crowe okay go off and you said if i wanted to read a book about the great depression i don't the four winds by kristin hannah would be the one however like it's dreadful because it was a dreadful time but i think it would give you a sense of life during the great depression the thing is like i don't need to read about the great depression depression like i

experienced it 2020 like that was our great depression so i don't need to read about the Great Depression. Like I experienced it, 2020. Like that was our Great Depression. So I don't need to. So what's funny is we actually read the four wins for the Redheads in 2020. Oh. And so we were like comparing, because you know, people like were saying that. And no, it wasn't.

Like no, it wasn't. It was worse then or worse now? Worse then. Beyond worse then. Like there's no can't afford gas, so you're hitchinging up your horse again even though you have a car in the garage but you can't even drive it oh man yeah leak so yeah that was like kind of the movie I watched it stunk but um I won't be discouraged tonight's another night another opportunity to learn I also watched Real Housewives of New Jersey which was so so good. It is so good. And

I have some thoughts. Specifically, a lot of people wanted to know my thoughts on John Fuda. Rachel Fuda's husband is kind of like a main character. He's beefing hard with Teresa and Louie and they like organize this sit down between the couples. Like Teresa and Louie meet John and Rachel Fuda at like some restaurant in a back private room. Like they literally think they're in The Godfather. And John Fuda really thinks he's in The Godfather. So let me say this about John Fuda, because, like, he's super cringe. Like, for the way he talks, like, he seriously is in an off, off, off-Broadway production of The Godfather the musical.

Like, he's like, you talk about my family. My family. And I'm like, okay, stop. And he has had this, like like major glow up um and he got brand new teeth and they just don't fit in his mouth so he's just like it's kind of like teeth it's off-broadway it's a lot but in the context of the argument I 100% agree with him but he's like hard to champion because he's so cringe and like you know Teresa owes him an apology like there's no way around that like she brought, I guess when he was a kid,

he got arrested for selling marijuana. Right. And it was kind of this like his Roman empire and he like rebuilt his life. And they're like, actually, they're not ashamed of it. It wasn't like a secret. But Teresa is now going around saying he used to be the biggest drug dealer in Bergen County.

Yeah, but when she said it, by the way, she didn't even say used to. She just called him the biggest drug dealer. So then there was an insinuation like John Fuda sells drugs so then they're like well did you say he was or he is and Rachel Fuda was like it doesn't matter either way like you weaponizing something that my husband went through like you're a piece of shit and you've fucking been to prison she literally said that right and no she kills it her husband doesn't have the same sort of power with the words she's really good and she's very even tempered. And so Teresa was like, well, if, if you heard me say that, and he's like,

that's not, he's like not letting it go. Maybe someone else would be like, thank you. Cause Teresa did say the words, sorry. And I apologize. I apologize. If you think you heard that, that's not an apology. And he's not fucking letting it go. And then of course the episode ends where it's like, they get up and leave. They're screaming, you are the face of mortgage fraud. Like it doesn't finish yet. But I'm having a really hard time sort of – I stand firmly on the FUDA team. I'm having a hard time getting behind John Fuda. He's just like a little corny.

Okay. There's worse crimes. There are worse crimes like selling drugs. Yes. Or mortgage fraud. True. I'm watching the Valley. I probably like, I keep ending in the middle of an episode and then like watch.

So I don't watch like episode two. I watch like half of episode two and half of episode three. And it's really, it's going crazy. These Valley kids, like really it's buck wild. I'm having a really hard time following like the core drama right now in this moment is uh she said she said he said she said she said that she's racist and it's just it's like the craziest thing to follow because like kristen said that zach said that jasmine said that janet said that michelle is maybe a racist even though like janet said she never said that jasmine said i never said that Michelle is maybe a racist, even though like Janet said,

she never said that. Jasmine said, I never said that. And then Kristen's like, you all said that. And I don't like, I don't, we don't know these people. We only know Kristen. And it's like, Kristen has a track record of being capable of lying. So like, I'm not inclined to believe her.

And I also think it was like a bad game of telephone where it was like inferring racism, like just because of something else she once might have said like it's just really hard to follow and a very strange fight and I I don't know where we go from here I didn't realize they were tackling you know big topics like racism on the valley you didn't I knew that there was like a big fight because like someone calls someone a Republican and that. Oh, my God. I had no idea.

Oh, my God. So I had seen that was somewhere. And then when Meghan McCain was on the on Watch What Happens Live, Andy asked her about that plot line. Like, what did you think? And she was like, no, my friends in D.C. like we're in a Republican chat. And we were so upset about like it was because it really it was like a crazy the valley is making waves in Washington like the valley is so political it was like this crazy leap and inference of like calling like she was like she's a Republican and so she's probably racist it was just like oh that's not cool yeah

and it just like a game of telephone it was like and I don't think anybody at the table thinks that person is a racist like so that's not the issue the issue is like everything that was said and then Kristen bringing it up in the worst most diabolical way I mean that's literally what she's there for so at least she's doing her job crazy because then the girl who's accused of racism her husband was like Michelle's not a racist and you should know how damaging that is because you were thrown off the show for being a racist oh oh oh right and the way Kristen like breaks down like that's crossed a line like and then in her interview she starts crying she's like why would someone bring this up it's like you brought the r-word into this conversation when the original fight it was like the r-word racism oh oh. I thought we were then going into ableism.

I can't follow. Like literally, we could have. That's how all over the place this fight is. Yeah. By the way, Kristen lobbied this accusation because the original fight, Brittany, they had a girls' night and a boys' night. At boys' night, Jax invites Kristen's new boyfriend

who doesn't like, but he's also friends with Kristen's ex. So Jax does his Jax thing and invites the ex too, even though he has no business being on the show. And at girls' night, Brittany tells Kristen, by the way, I think Alex is going to be there tonight. Jax does his Jax thing and invites the X to even though he has no business being on the show now girls night Brittany tells Kristen by the way I think Alex is going to be there tonight and Kristen's like so upset and then she's like everyone's stirring stuff up Janet said Michelle's a racist like we're like what what does that have to do it was like she was back into a corner so she starts like slinging stuff so she brought it up and then in her interview she's like just devastated that someone would bring up the racism banner pump

rules thing and it's like you brought up this entire conversation no and also like now that it's like a conversation's being had like how do you not bring up like the biggest piece of evidence and it's like you know how damaging it is to like have that word associated with your name like why would you be the one yeah yikes yikes bikes it's it's so crazy like I'm so not team Kristen like I don't even know what the general where people are at in episode four but I feel like so much more happens throughout the season like this is from weeks ago you know I think yeah I don't know if two couples even are surviving this season no and by the end of the season, I'm pretty sure it's all about the deconstruction of Jackson-Bernie's marriage, like in real time.

Right. But then, are they the only couple that didn't survive season one? Because there's another couple that's certainly on the fritz. I don't think in an official capacity that they're like separated or anything. I'm rooting for them,

but they have a hard road ahead of them. Are they the one whose baby is on Young Sheldon? No, oh my God. That couple couple like so in love they are danny and nia like such a sweet couple if they have they have and he keeps saying it and everyone thinks he's annoying but it's such a big they have three kids under two because they have an 18 month old and twins that are six weeks old and he was that guy who was an actor on like Hannah Montana and iCarly. If you saw his face, you would know him. His name is Danny something.

Just search Danny DeValley. He's like a teen hard job. This show sounds amazing. Claudia, there's so many layers here. Like Jasmine Good from The Bachelor is on it. Oh my God, wait. Danny Bucca. Wait, does he only look familiar to me now

like from The Valley? No, go to like teenage pictures of him. He's like a, he's a working actor for 18 years. He has a voice. Yep, wait, does he only look familiar to me now, like, from the Valley? No, go to, like, teenage pictures of him. He's, like, a working actor for 18 years. He has a voice. Yep, yep, yep. Oh, wait, by the way, 1,000%. And let me tell you, when he was young, he was so hot. I mean, he's still, like, very good looking.

Like, he was, like, the classic good looking guy on that show. He's been a working actor for 18 years. He has a voice booth in his house. He does, like, working, like, he's classic sag astra to me. And then his wife, Nia, who is just like so precious she gave birth to twins six weeks ago like on the show pumping dumping like just doing it all and they're so in love and even in like the like they're just so sweet to each other they're like a really sweet couple and she's a former you miss USA so like he's an actor who's had success and good times

in the industry like sure their twins should be on tv like and their reality like they're just industry people yeah they're industry folk but they have a really sweet relationship and it's definitely nice because a lot of the other ones are tumultuous so yeah michelle and jason are having a hard time oh i kind of want to watch it yeah and then the other couple would be janet and Jason. She's pregnant and they seem really like, I think, I think the voices of reason on the show. However. That's not true. It's not.

Because then. The limited things that I know about the Valley is like Janet is turnt. So far, I like Janet. But. That tracks. But then Zach said something. But I don't know her. Like I like what, in her confessional, she like makes sense.

I like people like one plus one equals two. Not sock. Yeah. Kristen, it's always sock over there it's sock but then Zach was like Janet is so manipulative like he's he like just put it in my head that like she can't be trusted so now I'm like okay I'll keep that in mind but so far like she hasn't done anything we'll see yeah and um Zach is Brittany's friend from Kentucky correct yes but now he's I think even closer with Kristen and Jasmine that's nice yeah everyone's like best friends but then they like say the nastiest shit about like I don't know where people's allegiances lie but I think they've

you know thrown their allegiances by the wayside because they want season two. I love that. I love people who are committed. That energy is really, really dominant in the show. I love that. Yeah. So I'm enjoying myself. I'm so glad to hear that. I would love to know what the story's, you know, vibe is today. I would say the vibe is interesting but light fare.

IBLF. IBLF, yeah. Can you dig it? I can. I'm down for anything. I'm such like a good time gal. You know, I'm so easygoing. Very much go with the flow.

Never complains. Have I ever told this story? You know what? Actually, never mind. Just ignore what I said. Okay. With that, should I ignore all the way into the Fast Five stories that we need to know? I guess.

Like the part of the show where we talk about ourselves is over. It's just devastating. Is there anything more you want to share about yourself? I wish that there was, you know? Yeah. Maybe tomorrow's a new day. Maybe there'll be more turdy updates. How's your aura ring?

Oh, I actually, on the way to the toast today meant to tell you this and just sort of declare publicly the aura ring is the single greatest thing that's ever happened to me in my life like the love I have for this ring is so crazy um I think I owe like all my happiness and like joy in my life. And your aura with an A to your aura with an O. To my aura. I absolutely crushed you yesterday. It was so gorgeous outside. It wasn't hot. It was just like perfect.

Romeo had to go to the doctor. We walked around. We went to the kosher grocer. 14,000 steps. Like you seriously, you can't compete with me. And how many did your phone pick up? Like you would have thought, oh, I had a 6,000 step day. That's what's so crazy.

Okay, so yesterday I had 14,850 on my Oura ring. And then on my phone, 10,000. Damn. Especially because when I walk to Romeo, I don't take my phone. Because if I'm on my phone when I'm walking him, he'll pee and I won't see it. And I'll be walking around for another 20 minutes being like, go pee. Understood. So, no, I just I can't like seriously can't stress enough how life changing this ring is.

So thank you. You're welcome. It's already on the list. Don't worry. Great. Of things that I've been trying to tell you about that I thought you would like. That's just great. So now, without further further ado it's time for

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I was at Macy's yesterday yesterday they had so many cute things oh i heard you were at the mall i was my my vlog of hall vlog made me realize how many more things i need that's classic classic stuff our first story kind of surprising news joe jonas was spotted cozying up to a new leading lady actress le Laila Abdallah in Greece after his breakup with Stormi Brie. That was confirmed two weeks ago. So who knows when they actually broke up, though it couldn't have been that long ago they've been spotted together. But Joe Jonas is burning up in Greece. He's hot, you're cold, you go around like you know.

Who wrote this? No, no, no, that was just like me. Oh, around like you know. Oh, God. Who wrote this? No, no, no. That was just like me. Oh. Oh, I thought you were reading. Like, you know when like these articles are trying to be like funny and millennial? It started with Joe Jonas is burning up in Greece. Page six.

Jack Yashay. He's hot. You're cold. I need. Oh, my God. I literally have this bathing suit. The blue one? That she's wearing.

Yeah. Where's it from? I'm pretty sure it's from Kenny Flowers. I just got it in. So not you's from kenny flowers i just got it in it's so not you no i know i got it um in pr oh cute um wait i need to kind of like it for me i feel like it's very okay my god i feel like can i have one you can have it you can have it it's just like it's just kind of me more than you um but joe was photographed getting touchy-feely with actress leila abdallah on sunday less than two weeks after his split was confirmed with Stormi Brie.

Joe went shirtless, spotting green swim trunks and a matching cap while hanging in the ocean with the brunette. There's hugs. There's touching of the nose. I see. There's touching of the hands. Is that a foot? No, that's a hand. I thought it was giving Sarah Ferguson for a second. yeah so he's like having a little holiday romance this is kind of crazy

don't you think it is I like it's so crazy there was a time in my life where I would have like seriously like laid down in front of traffic for Joe Jonas to notice me like I would have like for most of my young adult life like I was in love with this man and the way I'm like so icked out by him now I don't know I just like don't like it and I just like feel like it's important to hold like each of them to the same standard and like if Sophie Turner broke up with her aristocrat so true and two weeks later was like in the ocean with another man like she would literally get her ass handed to her and like this, this is no different to me. And I think like, honestly, it's,

it's weird. I agree. Um, and he was dating stormy for like a few months, like a while, like it wasn't be by yourself. How about that? No, I,

I, it begs the question, Joe Jonas, what are you running from? Like, does Joe Jonas know how to be by himself? And now that you think about it, yeah.

Has he ever been single? like he's always in a relationship and i feel like if he were a girl we would have noticed this a long time ago but it was like we're always talking about joe jonas's girlfriends it's so true i mean to name a few taylor swift gg hadid uh ashley green turner you're wait joe jonas dated alice from twilight Ashley Green. Sophie Turner. Wait. Joe Jonas dated Alice from Twilight? Yeah. They were like the. They were? Oh my God.

Wait. I feel like everyone that he dates is like the. You think that's going to be it because he's like a serial dater. Oh my God. They were so young. Wait. I'm dying. I mean this era.

Demi Lovato. Demi Lovato. When he had like spiky hair. That was definitely. Demi Lovato. Like my era. He's so cute. Demi Lovato. Like my era. He's so cute. Demi Lovato.

Yeah, no, I've just started to see things differently. Do you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. When it comes to this man. And I'm glad you brought up that interesting statistic about, and there's nothing wrong with being in a lot of relationships, but it's just, you know, worth noting. Yeah.

Meanwhile, Sophie Turner is in, you know, her production of Aristocats having a grand old time yeah no it's so funny you know it all comes out in the wash yeah always the chips fall where they may time tells all i'm glad we were able to let the chips fall where they may because they fought they fell yeah yeah so like cool yeah Joe Jonas like having a summer romance some love I'm not gonna get too attached me neither clearly it's kind of meaningless to him clearly women are just accessories to him noted are you ready for our next story yeah yeah some reality tv news denise richards is returning to reality tv in a new family series called denise richard and the wild things it will air on e in 2025 lights camera denise richards is

coming back to tv on monday he announced that the actress is making her return to reality TV alongside her family for a new docuseries titled Denise Richard and the Wild Things. The half-hour comic series will be executive produced by Denise and follow her and her family, including her daughters Sammy and Lola, whom she shares with ex-husband Charlie Sheen, and Eloise, whom she adopted, and her husband Aaron will also be a part of the series. When will the E-network learn you know they've been trying like this same thing for 20 years and they hit once with the Kardashians and they've been trying to like reclaim that family real reality tv magic ever since I don't think Denise Richards is gonna be it um because Denise Richards on Real Housewives of

Beverly Hills like was compelling mostly due to her celebrity status and the way the other women acted around her but like I wouldn't say she was like so even like her home scenes with Aaron and like him thinking that people were hunting him down for his machines against cancer like radiation like I don't know if it was like begging for a spinoff you know yeah I have a lot of thoughts but first like you don't have more respect for Aaron like after you were told that like he could save Theo I say that story on the toes I feel like you did apparently he's making waves yeah people like in LA um I don't want to say who told me this because I just feel like I don't know why Aaron like literally I feel like I'm gonna start getting hunted down you're saying good things about him yeah like apparently he does possess some sort of

cancer beating technology that is seriously what I heard from like somebody like actually like in the know and if you had brought due to Aaron. He could have helped. I also heard. Just totally separately. I heard like kind of crazy thing. From like an extremely legitimate source. I told you this.

Okay. I don't know if I should say it. But like I haven't seen it out there yet. But apparently. Allegedly. Morgan Wallen. I don't know if I should say it, but like I haven't seen it out there yet, but apparently, allegedly, Morgan Wallen is hooking up with Lana Del Rey. Oh, I saw that too, but I don't know where I saw it. You saw it?

I told you that. Oh. So that's where I saw it in my text. Let me check my text. I'll see where I saw it. But it's not, like, wait. Oh, no. Or is it out there already, and am I just, like, saying stuff? It's not in my texts.

Let's see. No, there's no news about it. Like, I just. All my texts. I heard that. I searched Wallen in my text. Me, I want to go to Morgan Wallen at MetLife. Me, a year before.

Morgan Wallen at MetLife, May 2024. And then she didn't even come. Me, a year before. Ugh, Morgan that met life may 2024 and then she didn't even come me a year before oh morgan wallen is playing palm beach may 5th lol um so yeah that was just like some some good tea that i heard yeah i heard it in a haze but probably in the same place you did who do we talk to you didn't what are you talking about jackie i heard it for I spoke to somebody yeah they told me okay and I told you you just told me verbally on FaceTime or when we were together okay no when we were together when we were getting ready for the show and who told you

give me a clue just to jog my memory no okay rude, I don't reveal my sources. Okay, rude. I'll tell you after. All's to say, I don't ship. Me either. And I offer no explanation. No, I get it. I think a thought as succinct and poignant as that requires no explanation. Like, they both seem, like, cool. I wouldn't put them together.

That's all. Back to Denise Richards on reality TV I think for Denise this is a major W to go from an ensemble show where they threw you to the wolves and she kind of left when she first left she returned leading the pack when she first left she left in disgrace when she came back and fought with Erica once again she left in double disgrace and now she's coming to a legitimate network with a show that she's at the helm of like this is a great look for Denise it is pending that the show doesn't like you know even if it's a one season wonder one season but it's like it's a good next move like let's not get ahead of ourselves like just

acknowledge the space that we're in like Denise Richards got a reality show that's a w for anyone in the industry and an e reality show at that not tlc alec baldwin i think a lot of women on that network also would kill would literally kill a gun for it like you could tell a person for their own show lisa rinna lisa rinna thought like her and her daughters were going to be like the next big hot thing. Like they all sort of like position themselves. And in some of the franchises it happens. Like Kandi Burris got her own spinoff. Kim Zolciak. So yeah, this definitely like,

this everyone is having a bad day. Yeah. So I'm happy for Denise because she's taken a couple L's in the last few years in the reality TV space. And this is a major W. I do echo what you've said that like, I don't know that this is going to be amazing, but I hold space for the potential that it could be.

Yeah, what happened to the Bradshaw Bunch? Like every couple of years, E puts their whole pussy behind like some family network TV show. They didn't let the Bradshaw Bunch go down like for a while. They kept giving them more seasons. I don't know one person that watched it.

I never saw one second of that show. Me neither. But they always, and they always act like, oh, we're back. Like, you remember, it was like after Kardashians left, they were like,

Nikki Glaser, this is our big new show. Never renewed for a second season. Like, they can't get arrested. Like, ever since the Kardashians, like, they have not been able to do one thing successfully. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Couple of like three seasons. Moments. Very Cavallari. Brought us Shannon. Very famously single. What happened to that show? I love that show. I know.

But I don't know. I don't know. It's so bizarre. Yeah. They should try something new. I mean, someone like, I don't know why it's so hard for studios or networks to like see what's going on in the culture and like immediately immediately

pick up on it like why doesn't Nara Smith have a cooking show yet yeah like easy done yeah it's your job for you and like they really need to work on how like that takes three years yeah they do did you see by the, speaking of today's sponsor, Nara Smith did a sponsored post with Liquid Ivy. No, I did not. She drank a peach elixir and then made her own peach jam because it inspired her so much. Oh my God, I love that.

It's so authentic. And of course with some homemade bread. Of course. Oh, I'll have to go look. Yeah. Oh, I love that. So yeah, not us and Nara Smith having lots in common. We both drink Liquid Ivy and make our own bread. And it's nice to know that the ingredients are Nara approved

I know I thought that was a huge win for liquid IV yeah are you ready for our next story yeah which is kind of a story for me and a handful of other people um who I know are going to be really affected and devastated by this news because ladies of what trash show got canceled worse ladies of Londonondon marissa hermer files for divorce from her husband matt after 14 years of marriage yeah this is shocking especially to those of us who watch the show because they were solid as a rock power couple power couple ladies of london star marissa hermer filed for divorce from husband matt hermer us weekly can confirm um they put out a statement to Us Weekly on Monday saying,

together through tremendous soul searching, we have evolved our relationship to a place that gives us space to raise our family, support each other, and grow our businesses. While our marriage was a success, it is now complete, and we've made the decision to separate. The love we share for our family and mutual respect for each other will continue to grow into our next chapter as we are committed to being parents, best friends, friends and business partners I'm sort of devastated about this like they moved out of

London a couple of years ago and really took LA by the balls like they're super successful bunch of restaurants I love her restaurant Olivetta like this is devastating like seriously and from what we saw on the show, their dynamic was so sweet. Like so in love. I would never, if I had to think of a couple that was getting divorced from that show, like they would be the last guess.

So this is sad. They have three kids together that are 12, 10, and 8. We remember Sadie was born on Ladies of London. I do often wonder why she was never cast on Beverly Hills Housewives she's perfect for it yeah and she's obviously open to reality tv because I think she had a good experience on that show and I think that show was really good for her business yeah maybe that's could be in

the cards one day I think she would be perfect and I think she operates not in the same social circles but adjacent circles yeah well maybe now that would be something she'd want to do maybe she's just been like working hard it's like also you forget like housewives is fun but it's like a full-time job who do you think of most when you like reflect back on that time like now who do you wonder about the most because for me like the star of ladies of london has and always will be caprice i know that for you that she is but there's so much in ladies london first of all caroline stanbury like for me of course number one she's the star of the show but like i'm so glad to like she has a

podcast she's on real houses of dubai she is an influencer like i get my fix so but they're oh and who was sophie stanbury was that that was her sister-in-law sister-in-law but they were divorcing but Sophie I re-watched Ladies of London um two years ago and Sophie stabbed Caroline in the back I I I know Sophie was at her wedding recently but like I just know their relationship was never the same after literally Sophie came on TV and threw her sister under the bus when when literally Caroline was taking Sophie's side in the divorce over her own brother that's how good of a friend she was I don't remember much about Sophie. Caroline was taking Sophie's side in the divorce over her own brother. That's how good of a friend she was. I don't remember much about Sophie other than the fact that she had, like, some of the most phenomenal hair, like, ever on television. Yeah, that's really what there is to know.

Then, also, Noelle. Do you remember Noelle? She was the American girl. She, like, really was trying to get into high society. She was dating a guy who was, like, a billionaire, but all of his money was frozen because he was like uh you know being investigated and then he was found dead I think he was allegedly murdered because there was like a lot like there's a lot there no I also remember Annabelle whose muse was she McQueen and then did McQueen die while that show was on? Like maybe a few years before or very recently,

but then she passed away too. Oh, yes. That show was like not real. No, I know. And then of course, Oh, and then of course. The Earl of Sandwich. Of course, The Earl of Sandwich, yeah.

At Julie Montague. Yeah, I follow her on TikTok because she lives in one of those, you know, Estates, working estates. Country side palaces like Downton Abbey. And she makes a lot of videos about what it takes to run a home like that. And it's very interesting. Yeah, she's a major content creator now.

I think she has like a little YouTube channel, not even little, like it's called like Viscountess, you know. Oh, the American Viscountess. Yeah, she like makes historical English content. Those other women hated her because she was like this, Yeah, yeah, yeah. She like makes historical English swirly content. Those other women hated her because she was like this, like American who was more in like the noble aristocrat scene than any of them. So she wanted them to hate her because of that.

Like she felt like, she felt like everybody hates me because like I'm just like Julie's balls. But like she had her protein balls and she was riding her bicycle. Meanwhile, she's like a bicountess in waiting. And so she's like, they all hate me because like I'm just like Julie's balls but like she like had her protein balls and she was riding her bicycle meanwhile she's like a bi-countess in waiting and so she's like they all hate me because I have and it's like no we just hate you because you suck yeah yeah yeah there's a huge distinction to be made yeah like she wanted that to be the reason why no one liked her when the real reason is like we just don't want to hang out with you I just want everyone to know if you're watching on YouTube and you see Romeo he's like really zonked out. He got his final round of vaccines yesterday, even though he's anti-vax. And he said, Mom, don't make me go.

Don't make me go. And one of the side effects is major loopiness. So do you see this loopy boy? Look at him. I can't see him on my screen. Oh, that's so unfortunate for you. But they could really put like anything in pet vaccines and we would never know. I know it's like not regulated. It could literally just be like water, you know, and you have to get

like five of them. They each cost a thousand dollars. Like literally we would never know. No, I trust that my boy is getting the most premium medical care on the planet. But it might not be like your doctor might not even know. It could be like big pet because that's. Oh my God. You and your theories. No, just listen. Just listen to me because like honestly why wouldn't they do that that's like free money everyone wants to everyone's gonna give their pet vaccines because you you know the standing water in New York and rabies of course we're gonna do it and like it could just be a racket just saying something to think about also Bruno got his vaccine I have enough to think about okay Bruno got his vaccines in December like after everything that happened with Theo like we got him for the full workup and like vaccines.

You never had his vaccines? He just got, needed like refreshers. Cause you know, big pet makes you get your boosters. They do. You have to get boosted for rabies. He was sick as a dog when we were away.

Remember? And like, that was literally just because he just had his shots. He'd never experienced something like that. So then we had to go back to the pet hospital and rack up more fees by big pet. Thanks. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah.

Do you have pet insurance? I think so. But like at a certain, they don't cover everything. No, everything. They cover nothing. Pet insurance like is so tough. It's so tough.

Yeah. Well, you know what? That's actually an amazing segue into our next story. Like literally. What number? It's number four, but I couldn't have scripted it any better.

But it's number four. I couldn't have scripted it any better but but it's number four I'm gonna take a chance that we can do 15 minutes of content oh okay go for it the segue is too good pet brand rover.com has created a pre-pup agreement to help pet owners co-parent in healthy ways during a breakup so it's like a prenup for your pet it's also just like marketing gimmick that I've fallen for So it's like a prenup for your pet. It's also just like marketing gimmick that I've fallen for because it's funny. Romantic relationships aren't always forever, but your commitment to your pet should be. To help couples planning to get a pet together prepare for the future,

Rover.com created a pre-pup checklist. A prenuptial agreement requires couples to consider what they want to have into their assets if their marriage ends in death or divorce. Rover's pre-pup checklist encourages couples to consider how they would handle the responsibilities of pet ownership if they were to split

while caring for an animal. I feel like this is a really big issue on reality TV. Yeah, there's like a very elite sect of people whom this is an issue for. But actually, no. Like, obviously, you think of Tom and Katie.

We also get a lot of deer toasters about this sort of thing. No, and it is tough. Especially like sometimes you come into a relationship with a dog. And then it's very clear. Like even though we were together for 10 years and you love this dog. He was mine, bitch. I'm out.

I'm taking the dog. Dumbass. That's clear cut. That's clear cut. When you acquire a pet during the relationship, it's very tough. And I acquired Theo a month before our wedding. Like, you bet your ass I put my credit card down. I couldn't put it down fast enough.

I'm like, just in case, you never know, there will be a paper trail. Yeah. That I, this dog belongs to me financially. I feel like when couples break up, because I guess if you are getting divorced and you have kids, then the dog just goes where the kid, it's part of like custody agreement. Like, great, that's good. But if you're breaking up and like, kids then the dog just goes where the kid is part of like custody agreement like great that's good but if you're breaking up and like you would never

speak to each other again otherwise except for this dog like I really think that a choice needs to be made like someone loves the dog more and the dog loves someone more yeah and the dog will be happy at either it's not about the dog it's about the own like they're not doing that they're not doing it because the dog needs to see me like they're doing it because I want to and the dog will be happy at either place. It's not about the dog. It's about the owner. Like, they're not doing it because the dog needs to see me. Like, they're doing it because I want to see the dog. No, and how long? Like, okay, right when you break up, okay, we'll go back and forth week after week. We're going to wean. We're weaning.

And I feel like that happened with Caitlin Bristow and Sean Booth. Because everybody was obsessed with their Tucker Doodle. And that was Sean's dog in the relationship. Like he brought the dog to the relationship. And I think after they broke up, he was obviously going back with Sean. But they shared for a little bit. And then she got Ramen Noodle. Yeah.

How long do you do that? Because it's silly. I would say like six weeks, three months max. Also, I saw TikTok. You know Sean Booth had a baby. I did. And he like went to the grocery store like wearing the baby on his chest and like seriously.

Were you okay? Such a good looking man. I'm on my way. And to see him just embrace fatherhood so naturally, it was really, it was gorgeous. It was a really nice video I hope you enjoy it I'm on my way I'm not seeing the grocery store but I am seeing a lot of it yeah I'm just seeing baby and him really really cute are you seeing baby wearing I'm seeing I'll find the

video and send it okay no I'm seeing shopping for strollers oh I'm seeing Tucker Doodle and the baby oh my god the dog is sleep oh my god Claudia I'm sending you this video Claudia you're not okay you're by the way I found it right here it's a second oh you don't have TikTok I can't share things with you like seriously your lack of TikTok is coming between us also I used to be able to just like watch a TikTok on Safari like when you send me the link but now TikTok won't let me watch TikToks without downloading the app so let me see if he put it absolutely oh this is so cute he didn't put it on reels no it's too cute for words so cute I was actually just thinking like how and sometimes when someone has a baby like their content just goes like through the roof for me like I couldn't

like they're just it depends you know actually no it really is it's lovely to watch most of the time yeah that's how I feel like when I see somebody sharing their ozempic journey like you love it's called like being relatable to you yeah and like when I see somebody have a baby like I'm so happy for them but it doesn't like endear them to me in a different way it depends like what kind of content they're posting but it's like pretty like you have 95 chance that like I'm gonna enjoy it yeah but you don't find that people who might like share their ozempic journey like might do stuff like you don't feel really protective over that actually where it's like I do only if you're doing it in the right way I feel like some people could really piss you off oh for sure even though

like if you're taking ozempic and sharing that with the world like you're so brave okay so right there's a 95 chance you're gonna like it but i feel like there could be a take that you wouldn't like a lot of takes oh yeah of course of course yeah okay cute oh so your thoughts on um the pre-p, honestly, like it's a good idea. I know it's like a marketing gimmick, but this is an actual problem. Like I like when people are out here solving problems. Like this is something people actually deal with

and struggle with. And there's really no universal solution. So this is kind of a good idea. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Now it's time for our fifth and final story that we're going to make 15 minutes of content out of.

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I actually haven't seen it. Because I don't care about these people. But continue. So as we talked about last week. He posted like a very cryptic Mother's Day message for her. Like it was giving either my wife tragically passed away or she is missing. And then she came back and said, I'm back.

You know, took some time for myself. And where had she gone that entire time, Turtle Lou? To film a reality show. To film a reality show called Special Forces, which is, you know, where reality stars go when the time is right. If they're not cast on traitors or if they just want something a little more physical when they're moving on to greener pastures

actually i don't watch this show but this show made a really big um splash made waves its first season people were really into it it's like kind of a crazy concept and they had a very good cast they had Tom Sandoval, Jojo Siwa, Tyler C and so um good on her because I feel like they kind of cast like an elite group. Yeah so she was allegedly filming the reality tv tv show Special Forces when her husband Ryan Sutter was posting cryptic messages about her whereabouts um she'll be on season three of fox's hit show special forces world's toughest test like i'm glad that she's not you know missing yeah because that is sort of what her husband wanted us to think yeah it's weird however like i'm now annoyed with these two when i never really thought about them prior yeah now like they're with me, and I don't appreciate that. Yeah, would you rather go on Special Forces or Traitors? One I think is mind games, and the other is physical games.

Traitors, 1,000%. One, everyone watches Traitors. I really don't know anybody who watches Special Forces. And two, seriously, kill me. Kill me. Going through army training, I can barely get through the Soto method. But you would have your Oura ring right there by your your side but I don't think I would have my phone so I wouldn't be able to see my results your insights until the end yeah I don't know like would you rather go on actually I think I would also be very good at traders I'm like extremely

manipulative and I'm an amazing liar you think that's the. And that's the type of, no, no, no. By the way, have you ever played, you've never played that game with me because you don't like to play games. The Faker? No. Um, so ask Olivia and Shapiro. Like I'm diabolically good at that game. I would win traitors like in two seconds. I know your tells. Like you couldn't win with me, but everyone else, yeah.

Okay, what are my tells? You want me to tell the world? What if you go on traitors? I know what I know what you're going to say. I feel like you could go on traitors? I know what I know what you're gonna say. I feel like you know eventually like pop like pop culture personalities would be on. Yeah. Do you know what I'm gonna say? When people stop watching the show. You knew what I was gonna say? Yeah you think my tells are that when I'm lying I look up and that my voice gets high. And the fact that I know that I use it against you so I'm an amazing liar I should get into poker okay okay karma's a bitch I wonder if you lose weight on special forces like dancing with stars 1000 traders are dancing with stars

these days like today okay I know it's about numbers traders okay but can you it is it's about fame this is a job jackie okay let's take that out of it we're just going with like the the format of the show the show traders like i just live in the house all day not even a house a castle it's like at a scottish castle yeah dancing with the stars you have to like live in some rinky-dink apartment near the studio and you have to work out all day every day no thanks and traders are like earl of sandwich yeah no traders i think i get to like go outside yeah and it's like lush okay which show would you rather go on big brother no or the amazing race oh i hate traveling i know i know oh my god but big brother like you can't even poop in privacy oh my god why'd you give me like bad ones like I was giving you fun ideas and you just like made it

not fun I think I have to do big brother like I'm sorry going to the airport like running through the airport is one of my least favorite things on earth laying in bed and like talking shit sure it's also running through the airport like it's genuinely humiliating like I like and for that you just know I have never like I've never not run through the airport and felt like a deep sense of shame it's like you couldn't even get here on time you're disgusting and like the running and the huffing and the puffing in the backpack and the red shirt and the sweating like and the red face like I can't imagine that being tell and like the likelihood that I'm going to win after this run through the airport is very slim.

I know I probably wouldn't. So it's like I ran just to like be a loser. Yikes. I just ran to humiliate myself. Yeah. No, I could not go on The Amazing Race. I would have to choose Big Brother by default. Yeah, and I guess like I could get out of Big Brother

completely unscathed if I laid in my bed and spoke to nobody. Yeah. because one thing about shows like that and I think this happens a lot on Housewives is like you genuinely forget that you're miked and that like and who knows what the fuck could come out of my mouth you kind of have to you have to let go to be like the best reality star yeah to even have a show like if everyone is just sitting around aware they are not going to go for it so i think that's for the best oh karma's a bitch all right do you know that jojo siwa song thou shall not lie thou shall not cheat excuse me i have unsubscribed from like Jojo Siwa updates like I don't keep up

Jojo I don't keep up like I heard she was like saying I like saw a quote in the headline of something that she said I was like nope just oh so then you didn't see that Jojo Siwa performed somewhere with a bottle of Tito's in her hand and was like swigging it no I didn't in her hand and was like swigging it no i didn't oh to her new original song thou shalt not lie thou shalt not cheat or you'll end up just like me oh karma's a bitch i should have known better i have blinders on and like when i see jojo siwa coming down the way like in any way a song of hers like not for any malicious reason it's just like not not for, like, it's not for me. I'm not engaging. You have blinders on?

I'm disengaging. And in the words of Sydney Sweeney, you have never, ever been happier. Not because of that. I'm just saying like, you have to know thyself. And like what is meant for you will find you. And like this was not meant for me. So when it finds me, I'm like, you know. Get out of my way. way yeah so that's our show

yeah it is our show and you can't take that away from us no you can't why are you laughing why are you laughing I don't know okay I know why I'm laughing but I don't want to say okay we need to talk for a few more minutes i'm sure that no one because you made us move the ad break to after that's fine and this is what i was just say something i was trying to avoid yesterday but you saw how i had to do that pet story when we were talking about big pet like yes I did but had I known that the fifth story would have been like about such irrelevant losers I I would have you would have pushed I would have urged I understand that's fine I will take accountability for that for the mismanagement what are you going on the rest of the day I actually have like kind of an exciting affair

what's the affair that you is it a swirly affair no it's just like a fitting you know excuse me I have a fitting with like a fashion for what yeah like what do you have alteration specialist coming no don't be fucking rude I'm being dressed for an event by a famous you have to tell more like or else no one's gonna believe you I guess well you'll just have to follow my social media okay well tell alteration specialist I say hi. So jealous. What do I have? Yeah, I'm just being jealous.

Well, actually, after this, I'm going to upload my vlog, which I'm really excited about. That's huge. Major news. I have a lot of cooking to do today. And grocery shopping. You cleared me out, turdy. Okay, also rude.

I didn't really eat that much. Of all my healthy things. Like, there's no more apples left, because you ate, and oranges. Well, that's true. I actually didn't eat any oranges, but I ate all of your apples and your bananas. Exactly.

No, I didn't, you cleared me out of, because you eat so healthy, and you ate all my healthy stuff. Yeah, fruits and vegetables, fruits and vegetables hate her. And my house is so noisy right now, I hope it's not picking up on the microphone. Well, I don't know if it is, but keep talking.

All of a sudden, you've got a couple more minutes. It's so hard for us. Well, actually, this is a great time to promote the Redheads because the new episode is out. And I don't know if you guys saw, but we broke major news on the Redheads. Can we just talk about it now? Now that the spoiler's out. Dana announced that

she's pregnant and it's just very exciting. It just, I didn't know that babies could have babies. It's amazing. It's a medical Marvel. I'm so happy for Dana. She looks so cute at Margo's birthday party. Um, she was wearing this like incredibly cute black jumpsuit. And I was like, where on earth did you get that? She's like, Oh, Josh's sister dropped off a bunch of maternity clothes. And she's like, it's so crazy. I didn't think any of it would fit because Josh's sister is so tall. And I'm obviously, you know, 4'8". And I was like, Dana, I'm pretty sure you're wearing a pair of pants as a jumpsuit.

And that's why it fits you from this like really tall girl. Is Josh's sister 5'12"? No, she's like super, super tall. 5'12"? She's 5'12". Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's just been fabulous to see Dana on her journey. Yeah, and the book that we read last month

was all about like women's health, midwifery. Did you know that midwifery is called midwifery? I had no idea, but did you know that midwifery, I think I feel like it's been rebranded to doula-ism. No, it's two different things. Doulas don't deliver babies. They help coach you through it. Midwives deliver babies.

Well, I was just reading, actually, Erin Foster's birth story. She did midwifery. She did home birth. Her retelling of it was actually pretty funny. But she decided to go you know completely naturally and apparently like it's very common that when you do like a home birth and you know you forego drugs like when things start getting you know heated you tell

everyone like fuck this we're going to the hospital and they're they are prepared yeah to like ignore you which is seriously like my worst nightmare yeah like what if you actually change your mind in that first of all you can't they're too far because if you're like in the ring of fire like baby's almost here you couldn't make it to the hospital and it's always darkest before the dawn but that's really funny I mean and that's amazing that she did a home birth for her first I feel like that's something people do you know after a few few in the bank like I could do this at home no need to waste the gas but I didn't know that you can't change your mind yeah because I think she said she was in labor for like 24 hours so she's just

like in this room I don't know if it was her house or like a hotel with all these people in the tub in the water and she like said thanks to she, like, said, thanks to, she was thanking everyone, like, in her caption, my husband and the doula and the midwife and this person. And she's like, and, you know, for not letting me, you know, for not listening to me when I said, take me to the hospital. I was like, what? Yeah, that makes sense. That feels right.

Crazy. Yeah, but amazing. Also, a home birth is something I will always, like, I'll follow for a creator you know yeah I definitely could see a world of which like a couple years down the line like Jackie's birthing at home and I'm over here being a doula I really don't think so but I'm so fascinated as I said who was with Josh Peck when we were podcasting I'm home birth curious for sure but that's how it starts that's always how it starts i want to thank you so much you are you have reached your allotted time talking time thank you guys so much for

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