The Toast - You Should Wear A Crown: Thursday, January 5th, 2023

Episode Date: January 5, 2023

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Good morning, Millennials! Welcome back to The Toast. Happy Thursday! Hope everyone's having a great day. I know I am. Oh my god, I'm being annoying, sorry. Because I am sitting down with my best girlfriend, my gal pal, Jackie O. Hey, girly. How you doing?

So you just said we're best friends? Are we not? No, I know. We sound like that TikTok sound. No, we're best friends. We could be honest about it. Wait. I'm sorry. I didn't know we sound like that TikTok sound. No, we're best friends. We could be honest about it. Wait, I'm sorry. I didn't know this was like something we needed to be honest about. We're literally best friends.

What the fuck are you talking about? I'm like having an identity crisis. I know, like if someone asked me privately, like who's my best friend, I would say Claudia. But like, I don't think we've ever admitted to each other that like we're each other's best friends. I didn't think it was something like we needed to be admitted to. Like if somebody, nobody asked me this because I'm not in the seventh grade, but if somebody did say like, Claudia, who's your best friend? My answer first would be like,

of course my sisters. Right. But then, but nobody asks for that reason. They want to know like who in your life is your best friend. And I'm very blessed. I would say I have about six best friends. Right. Which is why with, when you give give that answer like then I expect that to be your answer so when you said I was your best friend it's just it still feels special I know we're not in the seventh grade but like to hear someone call you their best friend like it's such a mark of specialness that's so funny that you say that because like I often do find myself like hanging out with like lifelong friends from like high school and stuff but also like friends um and that I've made in the last couple years being like I'm your best friend right because like you're my I say to Taylor Strecker all the time she has like so

many best friends and she does say I'm her best friend she does say like you know you and Stassi which is like sure okay you don't have to bring Stassi up but like yeah like I'm always getting like my friend Abe I'm like you're my best friend like I'm your best friend right because what's more embarrassing than having someone as your best friend and then not having you? Of course. But the thing is like it's just grammatically incorrect to have six best friends. So true.

To have six people who are your best friend because it's a singular experience. Who would you say like outside, actually this is like a contentious conversation because so many of our friends like listen to the toast because they're so supportive and wonderful but I was gonna ask like who your best friend is yeah no I wouldn't say it on the toast that's how see that's how like private and and big of a deal and personal and then it also begs the question do husbands count no no that just makes it too complicated and then nobody's ever could be a best friend again because really at the end of the day if I'm thinking of like who do I like really share the most with I think it's Ben yeah no technically your husband your partner is your best friend it's the person that you spend

the most amount of time with in your life I've been seeing like a lot of you know inspirational educational quotes that say like the person you choose to be your partner is so important because it is the person that you will spend the most time with for the rest of your life. Like not just, you know, it's the potential father of your children, like this, that it's like, who do you want to spend actually all your time with? Nights. What? Nights. What's nights? Who do you want to spend your nights with? okay end your days no of course but you could spend your days with multiple people but like when you get into bed you watch tv you read you lay you can't sleep you wake up like that is the person you're really spending like the most minutes with

no but yes it's about minutes and when you look if you were to put a graph of how many minutes you spend with ben versus how many minutes you spend with ben versus how many minutes you spend with me your taylor strecker abe everyone like the amount of time you spend with ben is so much more so you better like him so much more than you like even your friends but i'm saying back to my night's point is that those minutes are unbalanced because so many of the minutes are at night like I'm never gonna get into bed with anyone other than Ben unless Ben starts being mean to me and then I'll show him who's boss yes the minutes are at night speaking of husbands I sent you something yesterday I don't I know there's a lot of really good stories today I have it I have it oh okay

because I thought it was like so funny. And it's a Gabrielle Union story that I want to talk about. But we're embarrassed by riches in terms of the selection on today's stories. You know, Liz Lemon once said, when it rains, it pours. Some days we're talking about Mary from Sister Wives literally for 30 minutes. And some days we cannot be contained to simply five stories. And today is one of those days. Just because our first story, there are like a million sub stories because a copy of Harry Prince Harry Windsor's

memoir has been leaked to the Guardian and like there are so many headlines and the bombshells revealed but I feel like what's so bombshell worthy is not the stories themselves, but the fact that he's saying that he's telling the stories. Because it's really like personal behind the scenes stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And honestly, like I'm so fatigued by the Royals, like specifically Harry and Meghan. I feel like they really should have timed their documentary

and then his sit down interview and his book a little bit better. now it's like going to be two to three months back to back of just non-stop stories and it's it's so big that you can't ignore it especially you know he's the alleged uh altercation getting physical like you can't ignore it but like I just want to like preface by saying like I'm so over this family. Like I need a break. But here's the thing. I saw only yesterday, this morning, all the other stories came out. Yesterday I saw like there was alleged physical altercation. And honestly, like I was planning to ignore it.

Like I don't care that the brothers had a tussle. Like that's what brothers do. Yeah. And for some reason that's like the biggest story that's come out. But I think of the other ones that I read this morning, like some of them are crazier and more interesting. Well, I haven't read them because like I'm getting to the point where like I literally don't fucking care but I also am really into the fact that there's all these headlines and stories

because I don't think I'm gonna read the book so I want to know as much as I can by not reading the book no I'm not reading the book either I it's so funny how what got me into reading was celebrity memoirs. And I could not tell you the last one I read. Actually, it was Jeanette McCurdy and Josh Peck. I read two last year. They were both excellent. I have to say Josh Peck's book, I find myself thinking about all the time. I really enjoyed it when I was reading it.

I think I even gave it five stars. But I often think about like things he experienced or just like lessons he was learning and takeaways. I cannot recommend the book enough. And the podcast, podcast Good Guys a TNN show slash Dear Media. Of TNN shows new episode of the Redheads came out today. I heard. And it's just a blast because. When I was looking for stories I saw it on page six. Of course because you know we're just those relevant topical news making queens.

Everywhere. And it's the first episode of 2023 which is so exciting it's really a great time to become a redhead and the first book was a smitch's choice which is really accessible we read the it girl by ruth ware it's a thriller and personally i was stumped now it's on my list let me ask you a question we were talking about this on the redheads do you think it's the author's responsibility when doing a thriller to leave enough like breadcrumbs along the way that it's possible for you to guess or do you think a really great thriller is like wow I could have never seen this coming such a good conversation I think it's not only applies to books like movies

too um no I don't think that the author is required to give us breadcrumbs. Having said that, it can't be Dan is Gossip Girl. Like it can't have been physically impossible for the twist to actually be true. So I want to be surprised, but I don't want to be like, I just wasted all my time because there's no fucking way that's possible. Yeah. Okay. I do agree with you. Dana was saying like, there should be enough context clues

that like a really shrewd reader can figure it out. And I agree. And now looking back, all of it's there and she was setting us up for it but I never in a million years could I have guessed it so I think the perfect example of like a thriller with a twist is Shutter Island literally I could not have guessed the ending of that movie if my life fucking depended on it the second time I watched it it, I'm like, oh my God, I'm a moron. Like it really, it is the perfect thriller film. And that's why we're constantly referencing it here at The Toast

because nobody has ever done it better. Is it Quentin Tarantino? Martin Scorsese. Of course it is Martin. Mr. Martin. Yeah, so I want you to read The It Girl and I want your thoughts. But you know what I watched recently that also had me thinking about this is The Glass Onion that

knives out. Okay. So me and Ben fell asleep in Belize watching to it. Actually, sorry, I fell asleep. And like an hour later, I woke up and he was still watching it. So I went back to bed. And as I was falling asleep, I was actively trying not to like listen. So I didn't finish it. I don't know what happened. I know the premise. I got up to the part where they find out that like Daniel Craig and his horrendous accent actually weren't meant to be invited.

Like I really only made it like maybe 20 minutes. That literally happens in the first 20 minutes. So it was really bad. And though I never, I did not guess, you know, the twists and turns. I don't think anybody really could have, but it was really bad and though I never I did not guess you know the twists and turns I don't think anybody really could have but it was just bad regardless whether or not you could guess it or not. That's the other thing with a thriller is sometimes they'll just like have a bad twist that's not even good and like then you don't care. Even if the twist had been

good I wouldn't have cared and I think maybe the twist was good but the rest of the movie was just like so bad and all the characters were like so terrible and unlikable I only made it again 20 minutes and I agree but I do love seeing Kate Hudson in a movie like she is so everything of the sort she's such an it girl and she looked amazing and I didn't make it far enough to start disliking her character so I'm gonna maybe just not finish it yeah no you I want you to watch it but I do think that they kind of discrepancy the Knives Out name because the first movie was just such a juggernaut the first movie was incredible yeah and this was not that this was just like you know similar to like Murder Mystery Adam Sandler and Jennifer Aniston yes Netflix. Yes, yes, yes.

Well, that's also because it was just like a Netflix original and Knives Out was a full theater experience. Yeah. Well, also speaking of podcasts, excited about the Redheads, but also some exciting like housekeeping news about next week. So I am headed to LA tomorrow and I've decided to spend the week there first because I'm saying yes to life. And I have to say I'm already regretting saying yes to life.

Nevertheless, she persisted. So I already said yes to this one. Right. I already said yes. But you know what? Like I'm going to be happy and it's going to be fun and exciting. I haven't been to LA in a long time and I decided just to spend the week there and do all of the Toast episodes from LA. I've never been to the Dear Media studio. So next week we will be running on LA time. So for our East Coast girlies, just keep that in mind for the scheduling. I'm also, we had an interview scheduled

and the person actually lives in LA. So I'm just going to go to LA and do it with that person there. I think people are going to be kind of shook at this guest. It's kind of crazy. It is kind of shook at this guest it's it's kind of crazy it is kind of crazy and definitely not what you would expect but I think it's going to be great and I think that's oh no it's not your first time doing a solo interview but first time in a while like not since I was pregnant no now I'm like nervous like there's no honestly I I think

it's you should be less nervous knowing that you like we're not that you worry about like colliding with me for talking but no I don't know you don't but in case that was a worry like it's gone yeah but then it's like my god there's no one to collide with right right no but you're so conversational and you always have your next question lined up you'll be great yeah no I and I have to do a lot of prep I'm gonna go in really prepared so next week's gonna be a busy busy week LA girls so if any of my LA like people want to like have me on their podcast like I'm just putting an official oh yeah you should do the rounds just official memo I haven't booked anything like official memo like I'm gonna be in LA and um I would love to do with that information what

you will do with that Los Angelinos do with that information what you will. Los Angelinos. Do with that information what you will. Los Angelinos. So I went to the date game last night. I saw. And Ben you know texted me of course couldn't give me any less notice like 3 30. Game's at 7 30 you want to go. And I was like running between appointments and I had calls and then I ran out to get Botox. And I was so like looking forward to a night of just like nothing. And then I remembered I was saying yes to life. So I was like like okay and then Ben did tell me they were courtside so I was like oh of course yeah I'll go um and now I'm just to courtside yeah I was saying yes to wood that's what everyone calls it wood you know and I was really I was more so saying yes to like all the free food that comes with wood you know the Delta Lounge JP Morgan Lounge I got to have like have a full sit down meal at halftime I didn't like all the other with all the celebs you know it was a star-studded affair Tracy Morgan who I did get to meet like

very briefly and it was like I'm a I don't think there's actually anyone in the comedy space besides Joan Rivers who I like respect and love and and just am obsessed with more so that was really that was very exciting um Z-Way was there. I was in the elevator with Z-Way. And Matt Damon was there. And a ton of like, you know, former athletes who Ben was excited about and I hadn't heard of. I wasn't familiar with. Somebody from Stranger Things. They put, you know, when you do like the celebrity row at a game, they put like a clip of you in a movie or on TV.

And then they show you at the game. So they like familiarize the crowd with who people are. and so they put up the thing from Stranger Things and I looked up for a second and I thought it was Elliot Stabler and I'm like screaming I'm like and Ben is so confused and then they show the guy from Stranger Things who I swear to god I've never seen in my life and I'm like wait what Ben was like I was wondering why you were screaming like you don't even does the guy look like Elliot Stabler no but like in the clip they showed from Stranger Things like it looked like Elliot Stabler so did they show your say yes to the dress clip and then you shut up no they did not no they would show I guess a clip of the toast I I mean if it'd be nice. I did. I did get triggered this morning.

I was scrolling TikTok and like a toaster had made a TikTok of like a clip from our say yes to the dress and people were coming to like more and more. I had to scroll right through. What was it like? It was like just it was it was you guys being like, you should put on a crown. And I was like, I mean, if you guys like want me to put on a crown, I'll put on a crown. Like it was, it was, it was really painful. I know, I know that I probably wouldn't be sitting in this exact chair if it weren't for say yes to the dress. Like, you know, every decision in your life leads you to the next one.

A butterfly flaps its wings and I have diarrhea, you know? But that doesn't make it any less painful or triggering. Damn. You should put on a crown. I still think back fondly on your episode. I thought you were so cute. Thanks. You know, when you watch the whole episode,

it's not as great. But like, if they just have like a cute clip of you and you're so funny, you're like, I don't like the top, I don't like the bottom, and I don't like the middle. No, okay. Here's the thing. You know, they always say like,

you shouldn't get married young. And I feel like I'm living proof that that's actually not the case however my episode of say yes to the dress is great proof for for the notion that getting married young is never a good idea you shouldn't go on say yes to the dress young right because you never know what opportunities might scurry across your desk when you're merely 21 yeah even. Even though on the whole, the episode is so cute. And it's not like, like we thought we were doing something. Oh my God. I think I watched it and I was like proud.

Same. I just, I thought it was so great. I thought like. I thought like who could dislike us? Right. So yeah, I was triggered this morning. I'm sorry. Send it to me will you no I couldn't even find it if I wanted to I scrolled right past it got it got it um sorry to bring that up so early in the morning but it was only top of mind because you posted a funny thing yesterday

on your Instagram story about it yes I don't want to say yes to the dress I want to say yes to life yeah saying yes to life greater than saying yes to the dress. I want to say yes to life. Yeah. Saying yes to life greater than saying yes to the dress. Yeah. So I'm saying yes to life day like three or four. I'm already regretting it, but I had such a good time at the game. And I honestly, if I hadn't made this resolution, I would have said no. And I would have told Ben like, go with one of your friends who will like actually appreciate the game and like, you know, you'll have so much fun with them.

And I really, I did have a good time. And the Knicks won, which they never do. do and it was like I'm glad I went and that was the whole point in saying yes to life because I know when I go to things like I'm always happy that I went but I don't know what it is it might be like seasonal depression or just like laziness but I never want to go to any even like okay we were having this conversation like in July, we had gotten reached out to for like a dream guest on this show. They told us that this particular guest loves the toast, which was something we had thought. And we were overwhelmed and it got delayed and then whatever. It never ended up happening.

But while like we were in the process of planning it, like you and I were saying to each other, like, this is so big and so major. Like, I hope it gets canceled. Yeah, no, we no we were like if it didn't happen like we wouldn't care but no and it would be enough for me to know that she listens to the toast and wanted to come on like that was enough for me that is and it still is it still is and if she's listening and she wants to reschedule like of course we will come to you of course you are always welcome here um but I can't lie like I don't know what that is it's like when major things happen and when major things

don't happen I'm like not mad when they don't and like when they're happening I'm like I wish this got canceled yeah maybe it's just nerves I think that for that it's just nerves I think that's different than like not wanting to go to events events I want to go to events events events I want to go to that's another thing I find also like I could tell you I think anyone could tell you like going to the Nick game courtside with your husband is gonna be a good ass time no of course and I'm just like a wench like it was amazing but I'm just like tired and lazy and like I give everything to this job like I really do like when we do the toast like I am giving a hundred percent of my personality, my energy, my humor when we're done and we're working and we're making

content and we're taking meetings. Like I give a hundred percent of myself to this job. So when the clock strikes like five 36, like I'm ready to do fucking nothing, nothing for myself. I recharge by doing nothing, not spending time out with friends and family. No, that doesn't, that drains me even further. Yeah. but also going back to Shutter Island and events events I want to go to events another piece of art that I find myself constantly thinking of and like um referencing is that comedy special The Twist she's gorgeous I keep saying events events I want to go to events invite me to your events what's the comedy special for anyone who hasn't seen it? The Twist.

She's gorgeous. It's on Netflix. Kat Cohen. It was one of my favorite specials I watched this year. It was so funny. It's so, so good. It's so good. So it's just interesting what sticks with you. Yeah. Like movies, books, TV shows, like you love it in the moment, then you never think about it again. Or like you like like it and then you find yourself like being actually like impacted by it months later. Yeah. That's what happens with books all the time.

We were just talking about that on the redheads how we need to re-rate every book we've read because like when we look at what we've rated high and what we've rated low like it makes no sense.

No, but that's what like art is. Art should make you think for long periods of time. Yeah. It should make you uncomfortable. And personally, I'm getting comfortable being uncomfortable I don't think that's true I don't think you ever want to be feeling me inconvenienced I will not

have it no no I'm I'm not like that I'm actually not comfortable at all being uncomfortable no all about comfort and what's so exciting about and you didn't answer my text or my phone call last night you must have been asleep about, and you didn't answer my text or my phone call last night, you must have been asleep. And then you didn't answer in the morning, so you just like must have been busy. Did you call me this morning? Last night,

because I was scheduling studio time at Dear Media and they were sending me different pictures. 1026, I think that was it. Of available studios. And the studio I landed with has a boogle chair. I saw this morning. So if that isn't Kismet meant to be transatlantic wonder then i don't know what is transatlantic wonder it's like take this as your sign tiktok

take this as your sign to use this podcast studio 100 yeah no a boogle friendly environment is a toast we love to see it she was like we have this studio available with window and this with a boogle chair and i'm like did you say boogle chair no she's like i said boucle you illiterate uncultured swine it was via text so it was boogle yeah and it is boogle so we've got a great show lots of stories i think we can dive in because much to discuss okay so. So without further ado. Here are the fast fives. Oh the Streis brethren. I miss those boys.

Miss them together. That's the hard part about saying yes to life. Is that I'm spending a lot of time away from Theo. You're saying no to Theo. If I didn't have such an amazing like. Travel care for Theo. Ben's parents. Like I would feel bad, but I don't even feel bad in the slightest.

Theo's like, great. I can't wait to get back to my grandma. It's like, I hate it here. Yeah, but you could also take him with you. I could. You could also send him down to his aunties to play with his cousin Bryce. I could.

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about the leaking stories from Spare Prince Harry's new memoir. The first probably biggest story that everyone is in a tizzy over is that Prince Harry claims William physically attacked him over Meghan Markle in his memoir. Prince Harry claims in his new memoir, Spare, that the older brother, Prince William, physically attacked him, per the Guardian. In an excerpt obtained by the outlet, Harry claims that William called the former's wife,

Meghan, quote, difficult, rude, and abrasive, which Harry goes on to describe as, quote, a parroting of the press narrative.

In response, Harry writes that William unleashed on him. In response to what? Like, he called him difficult, her difficult, rude, and abrasiveashed on him in response to what like he called him difficult her difficult rude and abrasive and then in response he unleashed well that wouldn't be a response that would be a further comment okay wait she said it all happened so fast so very fast he grabbed me by the collar ripping my necklace and he knocked me to the floor I landed on the dog's bowl which cracked under my back the pieces cutting me. I lay there for a moment, dazed, then got to my feet and told him to get out. He claims that the alleged altercation left him with a visible back injury and the heated exchange with William occurred at Nottingham College after he expressed interest in discussing the rolling catastrophe

of his crumbling relationship with Harry. Harry claims that William was piping hot during their chat after insults were exchanged. Harry writes that William claimed he only wanted to help his younger brother. Okay first of all that little excerpt I find like shocking in terms of the writing style. It feels like very like basic. I laid there. My back hurt. You know like. No. Sorry. I don't know if it feels basic. Like elementary. No it does feel. I don't know. To me it feels like the opposite. Not like you know incredible prose but just like like storytelling. Storytelling yes. So I do agree. storytelling storytelling yes so I do agree I'm trying I really I don't like this man like I know I feel like I I never finished the Harry and Meghan thing because like life got in the way but from the first three parts like my takeaway like I was really um I was really kind of wowed

by Meghan and I was really kind of like by Harry and so now I'm just because I never finished a documentary and I don't know if this is accurate or not I'm just like Harry like stop I mean anyone who speaks ill of someone's wife like it would make more sense the story is just confusing because like it would make more sense if William said something nasty about Megan and then Harry punched him but like, but like he said something nasty and attacked him. And then punched him. That's double whammy. No, yeah.

I just feel like this is Harry's truth. Yeah. I think there's a lot of Harry's truth. And I'm sure if we heard William's side of this scuffle, it would be biased towards William. Like there's, you know, three sides to every story. Harry's, William's, and the truth. Yeah.

But I just think it's one I think like brothers fight I think like boys so like you and I if we had a disagreement it wouldn't I don't think it would ever really become physical physical um I do think with brothers like it does not to you know I don't condone that or anything but like you gotta you know you rough them up a little no and then I also think this is like a an instance of like perception and language because you know you could tell this story and be telling the truth and you know chalk it up to like a brotherly scuffle or you can like almost dramatize it a little bit like my back was injured like you can they're both true but I don't see this attack could have many different degrees of meaning.

Right. So that's interesting that I, when I saw this, I wasn't like blown away because at the end of the day, that is what brothers do. I don't see, I like, of course we don't know the Royals at all,

but I see William as like reserved and like weird and like conservative. So I honestly, I can't even picture him like getting all hot and bothered over Megan. Yeah. I just, we can't even picture him like getting all hot and bothered over Megan. Yeah. I just, we need more to the story but then also it makes me think about the documentary

and how like they never really talked about anything with William and Kate other than like Megan saying that they were much more formal than she expected privately and that then when they're leaving he gets,

he was upset with how William's office like handled squashing that rumor yes but it's like so they were fighting there was a physical fight like where was that when you're telling the whole last story oh my god that's so true that's what it is it's like we thought we knew everything in Oprah then it turned out this documentary came out and not only was there so much more but also it did kind of conflict with some of what they were saying on Oprah now it's like the sit-down interview in the book and it's like well I thought this was telling your whole story in the in the documentary yeah I'm just getting fatigued

you can only tell your story so many times honestly like yeah it's like Miley it's like new Miley I agree so that's like what people are quaking over though I don't think like brothers fighting is that crazy but here are some more headlines in Harry's book he says King Charles made quote sadistic jokes about Prince Harry's quote real dad right King Charles made sadistic jibes about Prince Harry's real father the prince reveals in his new memoir Harry 38 grew up amid public speculation that his true father was Princess Diana's former lover Major Major James Hewitt. The prince writes in his new book, Spare, how Charles seemingly enjoyed making hurtful

comments about his parentage. In one segment seen by Page Six, Harry writes, quote, Pa liked telling stories, and this was one of the best in his repertoire. He'd always end with a burst of philosophizing. Who knows if I'm really the prince of Wales who knows if I'm even your real father he'd laugh and laugh though it was a remarkably unfunny joke given the rumors circulating just then that my actual father was one of mummy's former lovers major James Hewitt one cause of this rumor was major Hewitt's flaming ginger hair but another

cause was sadism Harry said that the tabloid readers loved the idea that his dad was not really Charles insisting and likely made them feel better about their own lives quote never mind that my mother didn't meet Major Hewitt until long after I was born oh well okay well that's an interesting tidbit yeah um but go back what I don't get Charles's joke maybe I'm not not the Prince of Wales. That's what I was going to say, too. That is weird. Like he just philosophize. That's his word. Who knows if I'm really the Prince of Wales?

Who knows if I'm even your real father? What's the joke? Maybe that's like him. Maybe that's like him playing on tabloid culture. I don't know. It's definitely an inappropriate joke to make to your kid, for sure. Yeah. obloid culture I don't know it's definitely an inappropriate joke to make to your kid for sure yeah but it's interesting that those rumors did penetrate the walls of Buckingham Palace right but I feel like it's like when there's such a crazy rumor about you that's so untrue and I feel like even like you and I couldn't relate to this on a small level like we joke about it all the time

yeah but no that's that's a way of coping right but it's also probably really hurtful for Harry because like his mom's not there too of course it's just like this thing that kind of hangs over him and Charles is his only parent and now he's saying well maybe I'm not like no Charles is a dick like for sure I didn't need Harry to tell me but I don't understand the rest of the joke I feel like not in Charles's defense but like I feel like he's trying to say something else but if by saying who knows if I'm really the prince of Wales is Is he saying that Queenie stepped out? Right, right. No, I don't get the joke at all, but like, I do feel Harry and, and I think what his takeaway here is like, my dad is a prick and I feel that. Yeah. Cause I get like to, to joke about outlandish rumors

about yourself, like is helpful when coping with them. But at the end of the day, you're also a parent and like, that's inappropriate. Yeah. Yeah. Next headline. You're going to be thinking they're going to be interested in this. Prince Harry claims William and Kate told him to wear the Nazi costume.

Oh my God. You're fucking kidding me. Harry sensationally put some of his, the blame of his Nazi uniform scandal on his brother, Prince William and his sister-in-law in his new memoir. Prince Harry claimed that Kate and William howled with laughter when they saw him dressed up for the 2005 party.

Harry was 20 years old when the Sun newspaper published a front page photo of him dressed as a Nazi with a red armband emblazoned with a big swastika. The picture was taken at a costume party with a native and colonial theme, where William was also a guest and was dressed in a homemade lion outfit. In one segment of the book obtained by Page Six, Harry writes about choosing the outfit, revealing that it was a toss up between two costumes, a pilot or a Nazi.

Oh, I thought it was going to be a Nazi or blackface. He said, I phoned Willie and Kate, asked what they thought. Nazi uniform, they said, Harry writes, adding that when he went home and tried it on for them, they both howled. Worse than Willie's leotard outfit. Way more ridiculous, which again was the point. OK, what I find really interesting was that in the first part of the documentary, like they talked about that and how Harry's like really, you know, working hard to become

actively anti-racist and taking accountability for his problematic past. Um, and then it seems like this book is like, he wants to like kind of shove accountability a little bit onto his brother. Like, let's say that this is how it happened. Like when you are trying to like learn from your mistakes and grow, like you don't shift blame onto other people like you take responsibility you take full responsibility and that's that you don't like make excuses and even whether this is true or not like it definitely you know he diminishes his accepting responsibility for it by placing blame yeah with his brother and honestly I can't tell if I'm just in like my hating Harry Windsor era but like I

I don't know I don't see it you don't believe it and maybe that's because like I'm definitely like annoyed with Harry you know it's so interesting I actually met someone when I was in Belize who is from the UK and it came up and I feel like the difference in like UK and American discourse when it comes to these four is so different um and the conversation of Harry's paternity came up and the conversation of the documentary. And I felt like the conclusion we both really came to was that like, and I don't think this was how they meant for it to come across. But like my major takeaway from that documentary was like so many things failed Meghan. Like the system failed Meghan.

The family failed Meghan. But like most importantly, her husband really failed her. He did not protect her. He did not really prepare her like she thought there was going to be this whole orientation into becoming a royal and there wasn't and her husband didn't step in at all and help her with what to wear and how to act and how to curtsy and which fork to use um and that left her feeling really vulnerable and I don't even think she she didn't blame him but like from the outside I'm like well your husband grew up in this shouldn't he be the

one to help you yeah and if he can't help you find like a teacher for you yeah so like I'm really seeing this all now through the lens and my perspective on this has changed so much over the last years every time I learned something new but my perspective on it now is like Harry really um amongst all the people who were involved like I feel like Harry failed Megan the most yeah but I also feel like that's why he's making these huge steps and really like just like turned his back completely on the whole system because he's kind of ashamed of how he handled it and wants to do right. That's interesting.

He said that specifically about when Megan first started struggling with her mental health, that when she first came to him, that he didn't support her and have her back in the way that she needed and that he was ashamed of that and so now I think and I think it's the same way you know maybe he was more firm oriented than boyfriend husband oriented and so he's course correcting in these huge major ways oh that's interesting I didn't know that part um that like he wasn't like 100% there for her when it came to her mental health so yeah that's where I'm at currently for me like right now person from the UK say like that everyone is just like tired and they are the paternity

thing it's like well now it seems even more relevant that Charles is um the sovereign because a lot of people in the UK like really do not believe Harry to be Charles's son. But what what it doesn't change anything really because he still wouldn't he won't be king. No but like now that he's outside of the like he would like Gran was his gran like he had a relationship with Gran he has no relationship with his father and there's like crazy rumors that it's not even his dad so there's no connection yeah but William's his brother yes yes yes yes yes but they have no connection either yeah so that's the lens I'm currently seeing the situation through and it's subject to change

but for me like Harry is the villain here he really is yeah so I don't know I just feel like he's doing all like you said these grand gestures to support Megan and kind of taking his brother and sister-in-law down with him and I'm not just gonna believe right outright that it was Kate Middleton's idea for him to dress like a Nazi like I don't believe that like I can understand by the way like I can see I don't ever think anyone should dress like a Nazi but I can see how like you're 16 and you think it's funny and you're a fucking moron like I can get, I don't ever think anyone should dress like a Nazi, but I can see how like you're 16 and you think it's funny and you're a fucking moron. Like I can get, I get it.

I get how something like that happens. It's inexcusable, but I get it. People make mistakes. So now 10 years later to like, quote unquote, take accountability and then say it was someone else's idea in your book. I don't know. I just, it feels very inauthentic to me. Yes, but he also cites it as kind of the start of the break

between him and William because Harry was like felt like he was left out in the cold and he took the whole brunt of it when and William came out you know smelling like flowers when William maybe goaded him into wearing it so I think he might in his defense he might be sharing it to say this was the start of like tension between us yeah I just feel like a recurring problem in the royal family with its members and then people who join the family is like they go through these scandals or like tabloid drama and they have to go through it alone. And that leaves them very isolated and they don't feel supported. I think it happened with everyone, even like what we saw in the

crown, like with Diana, of course, but also with Charles, like everyone feels like they don't have the support of the family and the firm and like maybe they should just start supporting each other. Yeah, but it feels like they're I don't know who the family and the firm. And like, maybe they should just start supporting each other. Yeah. But it feels like there, I don't know who the firm is. That's not a family member. Right. Even the queen in her early days,

like there were so many things that she wanted to do that people said that she could not do and that she didn't like, she didn't let Margaret marry the man that she wanted, even though at first she was like, go do your thing. Right. So it's like, who is that?

Over our mighty power. Yeah. There there's like even the queen can't do even in the documentary there's um in the days where they're leaving but it's not you know they're just taking a step back it's like between step back and you know sayonara um the harry wants a meeting with the queen she said like my schedule is come by. And then he gets a call from her peep saying her schedule is booked. She can't see you. But it's like, she's the motherfucking queen. No, but so that has to come from the top. Like if the queen wants to meet with someone, her people will arrange it.

Like, I don't think that her people were coming in between. I feel like she didn't want to fucking talk to Harry. But she said like, come see me. I think that might be one of the problems that they're highlighting. You think she's two-faced queen? It's like everyone is two-faced. Like they say one thing and then like their team does another. But the team is led by the leader.

I think, I don't think she's, I think they say one thing and then they are convinced of another. And then they let the team do the legwork. That's what I think. That's what I feel like we saw in the crown a lot that's interesting you know she's like standing so firm on something and then they're like no girl can't be like that I just like I need a break from Harry he's really annoying me um yeah well I mean it's only gonna rev up The book comes out in five days and there are way more stories and like just personal and like comments, private comments that were made.

He shared a comment that his dad made at Prince Philip's funeral, um, to him about like him and his brother getting along better. And it's just like, I don't need to know that the personal feelings of a grieving son at his father's funeral it's so personal like this is airing so much dirty laundry it's so uncouth I you know I'm sure people in his family acted badly towards him I'm sure he fought with his brother and they disagreed okay that's what families do we don't need to hear about it in our business it's not I agree and making it like leading such a private life with a with a family that's in the public but their private lives they try to maintain as much privacy as possible and everything still leaks so if there's things that haven't

leaked and like now you're the one who's just gonna put it all out there yeah no it's it's not how I would ever do it but that's just me yeah so I'm sure there'll be more to come but just that's what's there so far but I'm also sure that these are the biggest things because I don't think that they would hold back then they'll you know they'll start to try and pull he must be so annoyed about this book would be so current I thought it was going to be about his upbringing yeah like a memoir yeah no but like about his childhood about the role of the spare and and like the loss of his mother his mother I didn't even I honestly like didn't even think his wedding and Megan would be in it because he has two more books to write for the publishing house it's a three book deal I've had enough so it'd be like spare

spare the sequel hair the spare spare the trilogy that's a lot like I a lot is anyone else really fatigued by this like I'm over it I'm ready to move on and it's also so fatiguing because we'll never hear the other side. I know. So we just sit here and it's not a fair fight. You try and like play devil's advocate. But what if it's the devil? No, it's so true, by the way, like the the discourse on all that they've released in the last year is so unbalanced that it's almost like not even a fair fight. It's like it's like fighting with a mute person. You're never going to get a rebuttal. There are two sides to every story.

And I'm never inclined to just believe one person's entire side. I'm sure that a lot of what Harry's saying is true. And I'm sure a lot of it could be explained differently from a different perspective. So it's really, it's not entirely fair. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? A little more British drama news? Yeah, as long as it has nothing to do with these people.

I'm like over them. It has to do with British drama. Yes. I'm ready. Ellie Goulding addresses the rumor that she cheated on Ed Sheeran with Niall Horan. Ellie Goulding shut down longstanding rumors that she cheated on Ed Sheeran with One Direction band member Niall Horan many years ago. She addressed the unfounded rumors when a person commented on her TikTok video from last week where she was dancing to Prep's cover of Harry Styles' song As It Was. She captioned the video, quick boob check then, where birthday grooving. One TikTokger decided to get personal with Goulding and accuse her of being unfaithful.

They said, can't believe you cheated on Ed with Niall, but slay FR. Is that for real? Yeah. Slay for real. She said false, but also slay. The thing for me is like, this was never a rumor. This was just a fact. Like a fact of life is that, you know, the sky is blue and Ellie Goulding left Ed Sheeran for Niall Horan and cheated on and cheated on leave one person for no and cheated on that was just a fact of life i feel like ed has written many songs about her like it's like not even up for debate and i didn't even know we were debating this so for ellie goulding who believes this not to be true like that's fucking annoying and i'm surprised she didn't tackle it sooner i don't think it's true. Even before her rebuttal. Because you know what?

It's too good to be true. Like that these three huge British guys and like it's Ed Sheeran and Niall Horan like she doesn't, I don't think so. I think that was maybe like a nobody. Maybe she cheated on him with some random. But this would be, if this was really a real love triangle,

like it would have more legs. Okay, the weird thing to me is like, I feel like Ellie Goulding and Niall Horan are generations apart. How old is Ellie Goulding? Like I don't see them being. Ellie Goulding is 36 and Sharon is 31. No. Niall Horan.

Niall Horan is, he's probably, what's Harry's age? Like 30. 29. Okay. So there was like a big age not huge but okay i just i wanted to settle that um i feel like ellie goulding actually has like a really interesting relationship history like remember when her and calvin harris were like otp yeah that was so crazy yeah and we're gonna need some new music is what we're gonna need some new music and we're gonna need a new like celeb relationship from her even though i feel like she did the circuit and like hated it why do i think she's married no i feel like like she got married quietly

yeah she's married to casper jopling in 2019 oh so i guess we won't be getting a celeb relationship from her no we won't be and she performed at me and Harry's wedding so oh wow what an honor yeah what a great she's so British she's so British like that's a great get yeah well I have recently um kind of started stanning Niall Horan like I follow him on TikTok and I always liked his music but he's kind of like funny and cute and like I feel like he doesn't get like a lot of like the 1D, like when he was in One Direction, he was like,

like the fourth or fifth most interesting. Like people were not, I feel like it was Harry and then Zayn and then Liam and then Niall and then Louis. But he really turned it around

with his solo career and he's so talented and he releases such good music and he has like a huge fandom now. And obviously it's not on the level of Harry. But like he's the second most successful out of the One Direction people. And I just find that like I'm shocked by that. I know.

I saw him on tour. I know you did. The Flickr tour. And I just think not enough people know about his song Seeing Blind with Maren Morris. It's literally so good. He went on tour with Maren Morris. I was there. Wow.

That's a nice tour. Me and Sn tour with Maren Morris. I was there. Wow, that's a nice tour. Me and Snitch, we had Counselor's Day out. I'm seeing that. So good. So good. His album is really good. The one with Flickr. This Town.

Good stuff. Yeah, he's like super talented and really cute. And he was like blonde in one direction. And I don't know if that's his natural hair color, but it wasn't the right color for him. And now he's like a chestnut brunette and he has been for a while. And I feel like that's really been a huge part of my stand-up. And I'm really happy for him.

And he loves Taylor Swift. And he's like so funny. And I really liked him when he dated Hailee Steinfeld. He's kind of like a really good celebrity. Is he dating anyone now? I don't think so. Maybe Snitch. Perfect. Do you think he would convert? for the snitch yeah I would convert for the snitch 100% I really like I'm glad we spoke about that like I'm really

kind of into him I'm in like my Niall era yeah no I like all these people um I'm glad there's no bad blood I would have been here for it if there was who do you think is like the biggest flop in the one direction they've all done like different solo things except like Louis he like maybe has released one song yeah I don't think it's fair to say no because I feel like he's been through a lot personally like he lost his mom and his sister like in the same year and I feel like he didn't it's not like he didn't try I mean sorry it's not like he tried you know what I mean okay he just It's not like he tried. You know what I mean? Okay. He just kind of took. But then like Liam tried really hard and Zayn tried really hard. And like they both flopped.

I feel like it's a tie for last place between Liam and Zayn. Like Zayn started out really strong. Pillow talk. The Taylor. And then like he released a whole album last year. And like I couldn't find one person who gave even a shred of a shit. Well, I think it's the elder abuse. The elder but then I know I know you don't know this but like Liam kind of went viral on TikTok like in a negative way like all these old videos of him

performing like at the start of his debut like solo career that were like cringe and he was like in a mall and like people were making fun of him like it like the thing with Zayn is that nobody cared the thing with Liam is like people cared, but like in a negative way. What's worse? I don't know. Yeah. But I feel like Liam, sometimes I listen to a song and like he's on it. Really?

You know? Yeah. He has like, he's had some features. He has some features. I don't know. And isn't he a father now? So he's busy. Yes.

He's busy. So is Zayn. So is Zayn. Right. Busy. Busy. I think they're all, except for, for no Harry and Niall or not but Cheryl and Zane no Cheryl and Liam had a baby which is weird because she was like the judge

on x-factor and then they started dating um and Zane has a baby I don't think Louis does yeah remember when One Direction said they were going on hiatus and like it's been five years yeah no they're not coming back together. But we have to move our hopes and optimism on to Little Mix. Or our hope and optimism on to like maybe a collab song with Harry and Niall. Like I don't even think that's crazy. Oh, that would be so cute. They're both talented.

Like he could literally be collabing with. Anyone. Beyonce. Speaking of collab, did you see that the Kardashians have been using quite a few Taylor Swift songs in their TikTok and then North and Kim literally did one yesterday to shake it off of singing the lyrics, like mouthing it. I saw North and Kim. That's pretty huge.

Yeah, I'm sure Taylor's like, sure. Taylor's like, I'm not getting more people again. No, she's just like, oh, so now you want to like you want to chat? Yeah. No no I think it's not gonna happen no and if I were Taylor like I wouldn't I wouldn't either yeah it's like it's too much and also not everyone needs to be friends so I'm glad you can enjoy my music it's fire flames I've always known that agreed enjoy make your little tiktoks enjoy are you ready for our next story yeah Gabrielle Union says she quote, entitled to cheating in her first marriage.

I'm sorry, this is funny. This is funny, but we need to talk about the ethics. Gabrielle Union is opening up about infidelity and how her first marriage fell apart. The actress recently sat down on the Armchair Expert podcast with Dax Shepard, where she spoke about her first marriage with former professional football player Chris Howard and how it was destined to fail from the beginning. She described her marriage as, quote, dysfunctional since day one. She said she was definitely not getting wife of the year awards. Quote, in my first marriage, neither one of us felt like the marriage should get in the way of our dating. A part of it was like keeping up with his activities, like, oh, that's what you're doing.

You're going to feel this one. And I just felt entitled to it as well. She said, said I was paying all the bills I was working my ass off and I felt like that's what comes the spoils of riches it was such a stupid relationship that should have never gotten out of the dating phase she also recalled a friend gifted her and her ex-husband a therapy session where the therapist recommended the two separate because they had quote nothing in common she also added that the therapist said the one thing you guys have in common is other people. So why don't you just be with other people? During the conversation, Dax also opened up about his past relationship

where he noted that he was in an open relationship for nine years and he regrets some of his actions during that time to which Union responded, I wish I had more guilt for some of that. Oh, okay. I mean like the headlines about this have been misleading. Like she's, you know, indignant and like, yeah, I was making more money. I should have been allowed to cheat that's not what she

was saying she was saying like at the time she was younger and like that's really how she saw things right but also the headline is misleading because they don't let us know that like it's a pretty much an open relationship that he's seeing other people too no but then like the discourse around like women who make more money being entitled to cheat like people like had something to say about it right so okay let's talk about that discourse but I just I feel like a little bit of justice needs to be served for her because that's like not what she said because they were both with other people and what if she if he's gonna be with other people like that should entitle her to be with other people it was completely taken out of context but people

are like living for this headline she felt entitled to cheat on him because she was paying all the bills and making all the money and here's the thing I support women's rights and women's wrongs so you know what like I'm here for it yeah um no I'm not because you have to think about it in the reverse like if a man ever said that or thought that like what no. I'm totally kidding. It's obviously like not okay. You would send him to that island with Louis, Teresa's husband. And we'd say go to man camp. Take your shirt off. And go scream at the beach.

Fix yourself. Yeah, no. Obviously like money has no bearings on fidelity. Like the two are totally separate entities. But I like kind of still think it's funny it is funny but I hope that no one's you know take getting life advice from this headline no because it's totally misleading and completely taken out of context yeah so either be in an open relationship if you want to cheat or don't be in a relationship yeah or don't pretty simple rare or simple are you ready for our next

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Specifics about the ceremony are unclear, but one insider told Page Six that it went late with 50 people or so total. The two have been dating since 2017, but the couple are intensely private and rarely appear together in public. There's only even like one red carpet photo of them from an event they attended last September.

I mean, everything the Olsens do is so chic. But like all the details coming out about this, like 50 people, Bel Air, he's an artist, like so fucking chic. Chic, chic, chic. Like I could never be this chic. He's an artist, but he's an Epo baby. You know, he's not like a starving artist. Who are his parents?

So his mom, I I think is a jewelry designer and his dad was once president of the David Geffen company oh so just like big wigs oh that's like major David Geffen like I don't even know who that is or what he does but it's like major money like yeah okay good you've loved it that's chic sorry chic is chic everything the Olsens do is iconic and this is just like so elegant and like we know nothing about this wedding so we're just left to our imaginations and I'm sure it was just like fucking chic and like tasteful not like over the top a million roses just like so classy that cost a million dollars but you would never know yeah I would love to see a dress like I really

would they're such tastemakers mkna and'm going to hope against hope that she does like, that she did like a little Vogue something. We could get a photo. It's just, you know, that's what we need. We need to be inspired. We need to be aspired. And we need to be as a, like a community, as a culture, we need to be elevated.

And only Ashley Olsen's wedding dress can do that for us. It's dark times out there. Ashley Olsen has a responsibility to humanity to lift us up. Yeah. And I think, I think she could maybe be open to it. No, I think the best

and only chance we get is like a very small Vogue exclusive. Yeah. I just, one picture of the dress, that's all I need. Yeah. I'm sure she made it herself.

I'm sure it's the row. Yeah. It would be great for the brand if they need a little publicity but I think they do fine I think by the way like the row is the uniform for like rich classy girls everywhere everyone is like the row pants like something maybe is always wearing the row yeah when I tell you I don't own one thing from the row I'm like the opposite of their um clientele I'm like fat and and like I wear lots of colors well not today but like I wear like just basic shit like I don't think I'm their target demo yeah no I don't think I own

anything either it's so expensive like for expensive sake it's for it's so expensive and it's not like diamonds it's like a t-shirt yes they make basics they do make basics and I think a t-shirt you know shouldn't be that expensive but there are some things like I remember to have this like bag once that was so expensive like it was real skin you know that it was like a bag that looked like a real bag but I think it was like real crock or whatever so that costs money yeah um like I would love to be a, a, the row girl. Like Morgan Stewart is the row, you know, that guy, Charles from TikTok, Charles Gross. Let's talk about it. He is the row.

He's always wearing like the row pants, the row blazers, the row trench. It's so Ellie and it's so chic and it's so not me. Yeah. So I think we just need to see what Ashley's wearing. I mean, if she wanted to show a picture with her bridesmaid, Mary Kate, that would be really sweet. Um, think about it ladies think about it take a second it's just like it's it would heal the world I think it would definitely do something

to the world like when they showed up at the Met Gala and like we're photographed together on the red carpet for the first time since they were literally in full house like that reset fashion it reset culture like come on give us something yeah it's true we need a reset but I'm also really like when I look at them like to me they're a Hollywood success story like they managed to kind of evade fame like they had it they had they were the A-list young Hollywood fashion acting like they had it and I don't think that they liked it and they over the years like managed to slink I think they lead very normal lives yeah and they're extremely successful and still work in the industry adjacent but they're doing what they want to be doing and

they don't and a lot of celebrities do what they want to do but they also have to do the other stuff that they need to Selena be able able to do the but no but no no i like i feel like nobody even talks like to me they're like a case study for like they got out they got out and who knows what would have happened they were so young and so impressionable and so famous and like who knows what could have happened but i don't know what whether like they're you know they have really good parents or they didn't want to be famous anymore i don't know what it was but like the motivation but I'm so happy for them yeah and I do think that they had their struggles like Mary Kate of course went through a rough time

you know what they need they need to like sit down and do a podcast like I would love to know or a documentary no it's like documentary is so like hey look at me no but like a podcast talks to other people in your life they can like add clips of things that they like said over the years it's hard to reflect on your own life and like be so certain of like what those moments and choices that you made were where that were inflection points you know what I? But I honestly think we have a better chance of getting them to sit down and do a podcast than we do of them ever doing a documentary. Like a documentary is such a big production.

Yeah, but someone else can do it. Someone else could really do it. Yes, it's months and years. Whereas like a podcast is like an hour. I know, but it's an hour of, I don't know. Would you rather someone, I mean, you would do both in a second. I would like a production with a weekly podcast every time a new episode comes out.

Yeah. No, but like for a documentary, it's like Harry and Meghan didn't make their documentary. They sat down for those interviews. And then it was done and their story was told. Right, but then you're also putting your story in someone else's hands. Yeah, and they didn't love what Liz did. They didn't like it. This was Liz's vision.

That's how Liz sees it. Sees it. Right. Yeah. it this was Liz's vision that's how Liz sees it right yeah maybe we need it to be from the other one Elizabeth huh the sister oh my god that is like such a crazy let's talk about that first of all I can't be the only person who's constantly confusing Elizabeth Olsen and Dakota Fanning like they're literally the same person and also Elizabeth um Scientology Moss no I I get confused because I always think her name is Elizabeth James because their old clothing line Elizabeth and James their siblings um Elizabeth Olsen like literally coming out of the woodwork nepo queen and just like becoming slaying slaying the house down becoming like such a well-respected artist and actress like it's so random for sure though I do have to say I respect I think she slays the game I don't think I've ever

seen one thing that she's in I saw her in that Hulu show where she played that girl with the eyebrows who killed who convinced her boyfriend to kill himself remember oh yeah she was excellent she was the girl in that Michelle yeah she was in cryob are you sure she was a girl in that positive I'm not seeing it on her movies and tv she's also most people know her from WandaVision. Which I never saw. Okay, now you're going to make me go. Elizabeth Olsen, Google. Elizabeth Olsen, Hulu, Michelle, Murder Girl.

Love and Death, no. I'm just not seeing. Michelle, Murder Girl. Sorry, no, maybe it wasn't. Am I not thinking of who Elizabeth Olsen is? Wait, I got it now. The girl from Plainville? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, the girl from Plainville is played by Elle Fanning. You're right. You really do get it. Oh my God. I'm getting them confused. Okay, wait, wait. So no, you've not seen Elizabeth Olsen in anything she's let me tell you she's in Avengers Doctor Strange Avengers more Captain America she's like a superwoman but you've not

seen these things okay I knew I was okay that's so funny like how my confusion just came full circle I have no idea who elizabeth olsen is i'm just learning something new about myself like i've never seen her in anything i just know i'm at l fanning she was incredible in the girlfriend plain view that that fucking show was twisted yeah she's another girl little sis made it big yeah see that's why i get them confused little sis made it big i can confused her with the snitch too. Who wouldn't? Mm-hmm.

We just all have such little sister energy. Totally. Happy for the Olsens. Hoping for a pick. Mazel Tov. Are you ready for our next story? Oh, and I guess he's Jewish, Eisner. Oh, good. So is she a Jewess?

This would be our fifth and final. She's not a Christian. She could be a Jew and believe in God. Wouldn't this be our fifth and final not a christian she could be a jew and believe in god wouldn't this be our fifth and final this next one will be our fifth yeah you said are you ready for our next story it is both next and fifth and final good okay yes i'm ready jensha's federal case um has just thrown a wrench a wrench has been thrown by a 2019 restraining order is coming back to haunt her ahead of the sentencing jen shah's upcoming sentence which she will be sentenced today might be i know so i was just gonna say i was checking to see if there's an update i i don't think it'll be for a while but by the time you listen to this episode like it

might be out whenever you listen to this episode we'll have the recap tomorrow but it's today like after all of this like it's finally happening i don't know why I'm smiling it's like not funny um but her sentencing might be stiffer thanks to a woman who informed the feds about a restraining order she once got against the reality star and prosecutors want the judge to take it into account prosecutors in Jed's federal fraud case just filed new docs this week asking the court to consider a 2019 restraining order obtained by a woman who claims she once had some trouble with the star the feds say the woman reached out to them via a letter and now want the judge to take a look at how she described their interaction with jen's upcoming sentencing hearing on friday oh sorry tomorrow not today prosecutors

want to make sure the judge sees what the woman had to say because they believe it to be consistent with how jen has interacted with others in other words they think the woman had to say because they believe it to be consistent with how Jen has interacted with others. In other words, they think the woman's account will back what they claim they've discovered about Jen's character throughout these proceedings. And it seems like prosecutors are hoping it leads to a harsher sentence. Now, I think this is coming because Jen also, her team put forth a statement like, you know, asking for leniency, saying, you know, Jen is this and that is a wonderful person. and so this woman saying like no she's not I have a restraining order against her like she's none of those things she's nothing of the sort I mean I feel like it's so crazy for the federal government to like literally add more

evidence to your case the day before sentencing like they're definitely like trying to make an example out of Jen and you know what like Jen's crimes like I always I'm always going to compare Jen's crimes to like Chrisley or Teresa Jen's crimes are so egregious like the that's what I was saying yesterday it's like I know the Chrisley's did something wrong but like I'm not going to feel bad like stealing from a bank like the bank is going to be fine you can compare Jen's crimes to the Chrisley's I can I compare this whole saga like the the trial and the eventual sentencing of like reality stars. Like I'm always going to compare them. Okay.

But the difference here is like, I know that Chrisleys did something wrong. I know, but I still do feel bad for them. Like they're, you know, they did that shit, but like literally you're not going to find me crying over the banks, even though they did give us that federal holiday. But with Jen, it's like what she did is so evil no I start to feel bad for her especially when I would watch her episodes I do start to feel bad for her and then I think about what she did and I'm cured right like it's so egregious and it's so evil. And so funny, I'm seeing so much discourse.

I have stopped watching The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. And I'm seeing so much discourse online right now. Like two things happening. One, people quaking over Jen's eventual sentencing and the trial and tomorrow. And then also people talking about this current season of Salt Lake City. Who gave Heather the black eye? tickets so fucking stupid and I feel like I'm now even more resolute in my decision to not watch the season the fact that like these two things are going on at the same time and like the show isn't like really digging deep and talking about and showing the trial stuff and

we're wasting so much time on Lisa sucking someone's dick for Utah Jazz tickets like it's so stupid and I just I can't stress enough how like the women of Salt Lake City have not only disappointed me but like so dropped the ball on what could have been a historic two years two seasons last year was the arrest and then this year was the trial what could have been like two of the most historic like could have been studied in production textbooks how they dropped the ball yeah I mean in the same way they like went and found old members of Mary's church to talk about right their donations like why don't you go find some of Jen's victims and talk about or what or this woman this woman 2019 uh restraining order yeah no but like let's hear about the experience of someone who fell for

Jen's telemarketing scheme how their life was ruined yeah I just I cannot believe that like these two things are going on at the same time it's such a disappointment yeah I'm very curious what the sentence will be tomorrow like it's gonna be big I know and then I'm just I'm like looking forward to comparing it to the Chrisley one though I can't I don't think the crimes are comparable I in terms of I compare the Chrisley's to Teresa I compare Jen to Tom Girardi yes that's a good call I forgot about Eric and Tom ripping off innocent people and taking advantage of vulnerable yeah no it'll be very interesting I mean it's kind of like the craziest thing that's ever happened in Housewives history yeah and they're not even talking about it on the show yeah also what I wanted to say is this woman put forth this like character statement about Jen so that they would know of her character um the judges just

watch season one Real Housewives Salt Lake City Like it's pretty clear like what her character is. What her character is. Yeah. She can make a watcher reunion. Like it's, she doesn't come off like the sweetest, kindest lady. No. And I do often think about like how the show plays a role in the trial. Like when you're doing jury selection, like are you allowed to select people who have

seen the show? Because that gives them a preconceived notion. Even though with this federal case, sorry, I don't even think there's a jury did it go to trial no because she pled yeah sorry there's no jury but just like in things like this like how does the show what if the judge has seen the show I think well if the judge was like seriously involved in some way like he would have accused himself I think with jury selection though someone can have watched the show and like know who Jen is but they have to be you know adamant in that their body like they have no bias that their bias would not influence them and you know it couldn't be like you or I who watch the show or a podcast

and it is like you know what I mean but if someone who's a passive watcher they could maybe get onto the jury but also if she her behavior on the show was really terrible then the defense they wouldn't want that defense won't want her but like on Teresa's trial maybe the defense would want someone who watched the show because I think a lot of people who watch the show have a lot of sympathy for her no and a lot of people watch the show have like a real understanding how like Teresa does not live in this world like she does not know what goes on around her she's not the brightest like there's no way she could be the mastermind of some big tax evasion scheme yeah yeah that's a good point

but with these with these federal trials like they often don't have juries i don't know if it's because they played guilty or because i don't think federal trials have juries but amber and johnny had a jury right that wasn't a federal trial. It wasn't? Like this, like the U.S. government is coming for Jen Cha with Johnny and it was Amber and Johnny. But are you always entitled to a jury? Like, yes, but like federal cases, like the FBI, like it's different. I'm almost 100% sure.

No, there's something different about federal. There is something different. Like the lawyers listening to this? Wanting to, like, kill us? No, the lawyers... Okay, I just want to say, the lawyers are always really patient with us, and then they just, they don't, like,

come in nasty in the comments. They just explain in the comments. There are two types of juries serving different functions in the federal trial courts. A trial jury, also known as a petite jury, and a grand jury. Okay, so there is a jury. Yeah.

Jury is the kind of word you say so many times it starts to sound weird. Jury. Yeah, you are always entitled to a jury of your peers. That's, you know, part of our Bill of Rights. Okay, but so sometimes in a criminal case, it can be decided through a trial by judge instead of a jury, and that's decided through a trial by judge instead of

a jury and that's known as a bench trial so it does exist that's like judge judy right there's no jury because then it would be too much of an alliteration to have judge judy's jury i like you ever like have an idea that you know would solve the world's problems? Yeah. I feel like the way that like being a juror isn't like a full-time job, like the way we have to do everyone do their civil service and people are so moronic and like unreliable. I feel like the fact that like every courthouse in the country doesn't have like 50 jurors on staff. First of all, I'm creating jobs.

You're welcome. Second of all, I'm creating jobs. You're welcome. Second of all, you go through extensive like bias training, like kind of how like, you know, like almost like you work for the CIA. Like you have to go through like really, really rigorous training to make sure you're totally impartial. And I just feel like there'd be less error.

There would be less, you know, people having to do jury duty. And I don't know. I just feel like it's a kind of a good call, like professional jurors for a living. I hear you. I respect you. I completely disagree with you. Okay.

I think that would open up a whole industry, literally, of jury tampering. All you got to do is get through the questioning and all of a sudden you're professional juror who wants a freedom no but it'd have to be really rigorous like the CIA like training like a seal but there's so many cases every single day like and also you're going to go through that training to be a jury member why not go be a Navy SEAL okay well it's not like physical training it's emotional and mental I don't know I the more I think about it like we're always talking about how our judicial system is so flawed and I feel like it's because people on the jury like people

everyday people are morons every case is so different that no matter who you are there will be a case that you are biased against because you have a an experience with it in your personal life but your training would lead you to having to recuse yourself the training is so good it's all in the training my idea my it's all in the training it's a good fucking idea I disagree I don't think our current system like is perfect but I think it works and I think that people do need to play a part in their civic duty and I know jury duties you know stinks and we all make jokes about it but it's a privilege and a right I don't agree but it's okay for you to be wrong this one time don't worry I got you okay go put together your for-profit jury no let me just say how like I it's just my idea I'm giving it to the government I don't I don't know the proper training I've never been on a

jury it's just an idea and it's the right idea and you guys can take it and then make it good okay and I will be part of the contingency that's voting against this. And then maybe if you're on trial for a crime, you can choose a jury of your peers or a jury of jurors. So that you could pay them off. No. It's a good idea the more I think about it. Let me know thoughts in the comments. Thoughts in the comments.

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