The Toast - You Would, Osama: Thursday, November 16th, 2023

Episode Date: November 16, 2023

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Good morning, Millennials! Welcome back to The Toast and happy Thursday. I hope you're doing well. I miss you all so much. How you doing? My girl Jax is back. She is back. She was really sick, but she is back. Now she's still sick, but she feels better enough to podcast. And that is good enough for me. Hey, Jax. How you doing?

Perfect intro. Sums it up. I was sick yesterday. I'm still sick, but feeling better well enough to podcast. So you'll still get that nasally. But I have entered my sticky shoes era. And I'm not going to lie. I've been practicing songs that I was going to say. Hit me.

And this is the song I decided to sing. I didn't want to do the climb again because you guys know I've mastered it. Yeah, it's like boring at this point. Right. It's like boring at this point. Right. It's like a classic. Challenge yourself. Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye. You were bigger than the whole sky.

You were more than just a short. I can't hear myself with my headphones. Hold on. You're like a real singer, like taking your earpiece out. I've got a lot to pine about I've got a lot to live without I'm never gonna meet what could have been would have been what should have been you so that's just a little treat for you guys today. Yeah, so that's that on that. So that's that on that. And we have multiple treats today.

One, the show itself. Always a treat. Treats galore. Two, we're showing you some new winter merch, you guys. Claude and I have been working on a little winter collection for you using our favorite word that we have yet to capitalize. I was going to say something like design. No, like when you put it, create. Okay. I'm not going to get the word because I'm sick and I'm in a fog, but we have this gorgeous wench holiday merch. I am wearing the cream wench reindeer set.

I'm going to move my microphone so you can see. And the matching sweatpants. I'm in a size XL. I could have done a large. Yeah, I'm feeling small. Yeah, I'm in a size medium. I could not have done a small. I could not.

The quality is so cozy and so cute. There's a little The Toast established 2018 on the sleeve. This is all going to drop on Monday. So we wanted to give you ample time to know what's coming. Claudia's in our black when she light set toasty lights. We don't know her when she lights. We know her except it says when she not when she just want to make that clear. Wench on the breasts and wench on the thigh. Double the wench. Double the fun. Also, there's a wench on the thigh for me as well. Yeah, holiday collection, 2023,

greater than everything we've ever done in our lives. It's so cozy. I'm loving my fit today. So that also just makes it a great episode. The merch is gonna drop Monday at 10 a.m. Eastern time. Don't worry, we will keep reiterating that to you throughout the next five days. You can get it at shoptoastmerch.com not to be confused again with shop chanel shop air maze but shop toast merch

shop toast merch we are dropping our holiday merch a little bit early for a multitude of reasons one that holiday shipping ain't a joke we want to get it out to everyone we're also doing pre-orders so that everybody can get the size that they want so So the collection will be up for probably two days. Give everyone a chance to get exactly what they want. And then we will close it and start shipping out and making the sweatshirts. So we just wanted to make sure, A, everybody gets what they want. And B, we have enough time to ship out all the orders. So that it gets to you before the holidays.

Keep that in mind. We're very excited about this coleccione. We'll be teasing, you know, getting some good product shots. Jackie and I are kind of like modeling. It'll all be on our Instagram throughout the rest of the week and the weekend. So make sure you're following the Toast Instagram. I feel like that needs to be said. I feel like we haven't modeled in a while.

Let me think. The last time I modeled, when was the last time I was on set? I don't know. I'm just like constantly like always on sets. I can't even keep track of my set schedule. I kind of took a hiatus from modeling. Oh, let's talk about that. Is it because the industry is so toxic? The industry is toxic. I needed to kind of step away and center myself. Of course. And come back to it with more of a

level head. So now I feel ready to reenter the sphere of modeling. I'm so glad. Yeah, it was what was best for me. That's good. It is good. So Toast merch, very exciting. We couldn't wait another minute. We got our samples and we were like, let's go. I have to wear this. There's nothing else I want to wear today is the problem. We got our samples and we said, let's go, girls.

Let's go, girly swirlies. Yeah, so you did the toast with Ben yesterday. I did. And he wanted me to come on here. He did? And apologize for not choosing him as my host should something happen. He was shook that, like, when I recapped that conversation for him, when we were talking on Tuesday, like, if I were to quit, who would you choose?

And if I were to, you know what I mean. And I told Ben, and I was trying to, I thought it was like a compliment when I was saying it I was like I chose you and Jackie chose like obviously Olivia or Margo and then he he was so offended and I was like it didn't even occur to me that Ben would be offended by that I would think if anything my husband would be offended because you chose your your rose was your husband and then I chose my sisters like I never even thought Ben but then he said to me he was like well I thought you would have just chose me because I'm a good podcaster well that's why I chose him and I said that's a good point that was a good point so but he's definitely in the mix he's definitely top three but that's so Ben to like I shared with him a nice story and he only

sees that you didn't choose him not that I chose him I just feel like if I had said Ben also that would have been crazy no not only that like we'd make a monster out of him we can't we have to keep him grounded and it's like you can no longer do the toast and it wasn't like if something happened to one of us it was like if you decided not to do it anymore so like that would obviously connote something a little negative something a little negative even if it was just like the toast was bad for your mental health or something like so you're gonna put your husband in the arena i just feel like that would have been a crazier response no i think more so is like we couldn't have both said ben for the sake of ben's big head no but like that just i think that would

have been really weird if i said ben honestly i understand like where he's coming from he's top tier podcaster for the job. And like the Ben and Jackie episodes, they are great. They're great. Yeah. The Bunch and Swunge effect. We have a great rapport.

We really do. Like he would make a great host and I would definitely put him up for some screen testing. I just think if I answered with Ben also, that would have been really weird. Now I'm kind of rethinking my answer because I love, love, love, love, love doing the show with you. But if I had to say like one negative thing, it's like it's about both of us.

You know, if I had my druthers, it would all be about me. So if you quit and I could have the opportunity for it to be all about me, I might have like a rotating, like just so that it's always about me and then the co-host is just kind of fluid. Oh no, I think that's stable enough but if you do want it to be all about you you could have like a little producer off to the side with a microphone who you're like talking to like Theo Vaughn type who who only speaks when spoken to I by the way I can't think of a job I'd be less qualified for than like that role of like the on-air producer who only speaks when spoken to that is my worst nightmare I just

be like turning bright red my veins would be popping out like trying not to say stuff yes would you rather be the producer who's only spoke speaks when spoken to or set up chairs on the beach the producer because he's probably sitting yeah but you're so athletic now you would get a tan you probably are rethinking that. But no, I'm not. And by the way, you know, Jimmy Fallon has one of those speakers. I feel like he's not on the show anymore. But like that little guy, you know, Steve.

Guillermo? No, Steve. Guillermo's Jimmy Kimmel. Jimmy Fallon has that guy, Steve, with the glasses who stands off to the side. First of all, he hasn't been seen in a while. Like, is he still on the show? And two, Jimmy Kimmel makes his off-air producer who sometimes says stuff he makes him stand he's standing the whole time

that I wouldn't do that job that ain't right Jimmy bigger one in size or in show physically bigger taller or wider because Jimmy Kimmel I think with his weight, but Jimmy Fallon is taller. Oh, shoot. Okay. Not the one from the movie with Drew Barrymore. Kimmel. Is hosting the Oscars. Not a story, but just a note.

It's so not worthy of a story. Like, I literally saw that, and I tried to care less, but I couldn't. No, I know. And it's not like there was an abundance of stories today. Like, I could have chosen it. Right, right. So we could have had, you know, the same conversation about hosts and, you know, give it to Theo Vaughn or Tim Dillon.

But I wasn't in the mood. Speaking of story selections, did you choose the story about Travis Kelsey's old tweets? No, I didn't. Can we talk about it really briefly? Yeah, of course. Now it's a hilarious story, but it's worth noting that people went to Travis's Twitter to find old tweets in bad faith. Like it was not bad faith. They were bad faith actors. BFAs. They were BFAs. And what ended up happening was funny, but like we need to stop doing that. We just absolutely need to. No, I'm glad that you're mentioning that. And I'm glad it worked out for Travis.

The result was hilarious. The tweets that they found from when he was super young are so mind-numbingly stupid and moronic. Like he's literally tweeting like, can't wait to get Chipotle. Nap time. I just saw a squirrel in the park. Like an actual 14 year old. It's so precious. It's so sweet. And I think it really is like an indicator of like, he's always just been like this big

goofball, but let's not forget, like people went there with bad intentions. Yeah, they did. Stop it. Stop it. Like stop. And it's like, they're Taylor fans, but they clearly don't want her to be happy. Cause what if they found what they were looking for? Well, you know, they found what they were looking for with Brittany Mahomes. Of course they like searched through her old tweets, the words Taylor Swift. And there was like three tweets. They weren't terrible. It was just like, I wonder if Taylor Swift will ever write about anything other than her relationships.

And then there was another one that was like Taylor Swift winning every award. She was obviously like live tweeting some award show at the time. Yeah. Taylor Swift winning every award. Less than, less than, less than, less than, less than. At this point, I'm madder at the people who go and find those types of things than the people. Like, I don't care that Brittany Mahomes 10 years ago

was, you know, frustrated Taylor Swift won every award. Like, it's so wrong. Yeah, but I do wonder how Taylor feels about it. It's so awkward. It's so awkward. It's so awkward. And the thing is, sometimes you meet someone or you know someone and you don't like them

at first and then years later you end up like being really good friends with them and it's like, oh, ha, ha, ha. And you as a human being, like it's that privilege of what you first thought of them is like it's private. Yeah. Now the internet has kind of stripped that away where you just like. And it's weird when it's like you're a fan of someone's and you're commenting on them and then you know them.

Yeah. It's just weird and unnecessary. Like why'd you have to go there? We all feel weird about it. Yeah, like, let's just not. Like, when I saw that, like, I felt really awkward. Yeah, what if we just didn't? Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Let's not and say we did. Let's not even say we did. I, a few months ago, was thinking about a time in my life where my rebuttal to absolutely anything that was said to me was let's not and say we did and that was such a slay yeah no like it was a slay and I need to start bringing it back no please don't it's literally so rude and condescending that's like when everyone's rebuttal was you would oh that's fucking rude i thought you were gonna say when everybody's rebuttal was like your mom right right right of course that just lacked creativity

that's not even a good one but like you would was so nasty by the way you would that was dark and then when you were dark when you were talking shit about someone, you were like, oh, she would. Actually, I still say that. No, it's so mean. Yeah, I will. I will. And I can. And I shall. Oh, speaking of words, I have made significant progress in the book, The Fourth Wing.

I'm so glad I stuck with it. I'm 85% there. I'll probably finish it today. Oh, honestly, everybody was like the beginning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. wing I'm so glad I stuck with it I'm 85% there I'll probably finish it today oh honestly everybody was like the beginning yeah yeah yeah and I kept going and I was like 20 25 30 35 and I'm like this book is not getting better and seriously like it's literally one one word that changes it like 35% you're you're there like I had I've never had such like an instant shift usually it's more gradual I'm getting more into it and then I love it literally in one second loved yeah also I meant to tell you I know you said Anya Taylor

Joyce should play Violet I disagree okay um but when we did Redheads when I would think of like Zayden and Violet you know who I think of who Jacob Elordi and Olivia Jade like he's so tall she's so small no I love it I love it they should be let's so tall. She's so small. No, I love it. I love it. They should be. Let's talk about this really quickly. So the book has been optioned for a series at Amazon. So we know it's being brought to a screen near us. I do. I did see it more as like a movie franchise. There's so many things in the book that remind me so much of Hunger Games. I think it's going to be a movie. I heard series. Okay. Okay. And even if it's on Amazon, like this needs to be something in the theaters. Like this is going to bring back like those big franchises there's so many Twilight

references they're so honestly I see it so much as like a Hunger Games type of thing me too like Peeta and Gale duh yeah duh um but of course casting comes to mind and I I do really see Violet as Anya Taylor-Joy except like Violet physically is so small and short and Anya Taylor-Joy is just too tall for it but I'm sorry the hair the face the body like it's giving Violet Sorengel I stand by that I understand um but I do think she's also 18 like we need someone really young right I think it'll probably be an unknown yeah kind of like or you know an up-and-coming actress kind of like how Jennifer Lawrence was Kristen Stewart like they had before but they weren't household names I love that yeah and for Zayden I don't picture Zayden when I'm reading it so much as I picture Violet like I don't really know what Zayden looks like I can't

I can't put my finger on it I think on Redheads we do the Hollywood treatment. If you've read Fourth Wing go listen to the Redheads episode. We all gave our casting suggestions. I like Jacob Elordi. Someone said Charles Melton. Oh I like that. I like that.

He's very handsome. And I also feel like the only real descriptors they gave is that he has very tan bronzed skin and brown hair. Yeah so it could be anyone, really. Jacob Elordi with a spray tan.

Yeah. But somebody big. Tall. Yeah, and like chiseled. Yeah, chiseled. And he's 23. And she's 20. 20?

Yeah, they're three years apart. I just started the second book. Yeah. And she just turned 21. And my book club has hit a kind of fork in the road for this month because we're reading Matthew Perry's memoir. And there's like two or three girlies in the book club who are so against Kindles. Like we talk about it every week.

Like they just read hardcover books. And the book is like sold out everywhere. Oh. So like they went to go purchase and there are what there are no books well maybe a toaster is selling a copy oh if you're selling a copy lmk there's always people selling copies of books in the redheads facebook group okay amazing things happen i will source that's a good call yeah it is a good call you're welcome so i'm loving the book i'm gonna read the sequel of course and everyone was right i'm so glad i was read the sequel, of course. And everyone was right. I'm so glad.

I was reading the sequel last night. I felt like I was reading so much. And I was at 4%. Oh, that's tough. No, but like it must be in a thousand page book. Let me, I want, I meant to look up how many pages it is. Don't ruin it for me. Cause you know, then I won't want to read it.

No, but like if you love it, then it's just more. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It is no 623. Same as fourth wing. Oh, fourth wing is 600 yeah. Okay, it is. No, 623, same as Fourth Wing. Oh, Fourth Wing is 600 pages? Pretty sure.

Wow, if I had known that before, I wouldn't have read it. That's why we keep things from you. It's true. It's so important to keep things from me. 528. Okay, okay. Yeah, it's important. So I'm looking forward to keeping up with the casting of that series or movie or whatever

it's going to end up being. That'll be fabulous. Yeah, very, very exciting. And I'm so glad to keeping up with the casting of that series or movie or whatever it's going to end up being. That'll be fabulous. Yeah, very, very exciting. And I'm so glad you're on board. And then you have to listen to the Redheads episode. Yeah, of course. I love listening to the Redheads episodes after I finish a book. So I listen to The Measure.

Oh, what do you think? Who do you agree with most? Like kind of none of you. Maybe Rebecca, because you guys talked a lot about how you thought the book was very COVID-y and like I honestly didn't get that at all yeah so Rebecca was like oh my god I didn't even think of that and I was like same okay that makes sense yeah but it's such a great way and also like sometimes when I read books that's why I need to listen to the fourth wing um redheads episode like like I said stuff like I said earlier in the book like

I'm earlier in the week, I'm really not like the smartest person, especially book smart. So I feel like stuff really goes over my head, like details or, you know, meaning. We all had that experience with Fourth Wing

where it's like someone noticed something that the others didn't and we were all like learning more because there's a lot of stuff in the book. Yeah. Speaking of COVID-y, I'm pretty sure I have COVID. Yikes. Stay away. Throwback Thursday.

By the way, I feel like now like it's November. Yeah. And like before COVID, let's remember like during this time of year, like people would get the flu. They would get the cold. Yeah. Like it's just like being sick in the winter. No, I'm literally just sick. I assumed I had a cold, but then my friend has COVID and she was telling me her symptoms and I was like yeah those are my symptoms too and then yesterday I couldn't taste or smell and that has never happened to me before oh by the way that's happened to me though no Claudia not with a cold like yeah you lose you can't smell no I've never like been eating something and I couldn't like I was eating everything bagel crisps. That's a flavorful snack. Yeah.

Couldn't taste a thing. It could have been anything. Okay. But by the way, like that has happened to me many times when I'm sick. I don't feel like that's a COVID exclusive thing. When your nose gets so blocked up, it's math. I mean, it's science. No, I know.

But I've never had the experience of not being able to taste period. It's coming back today, which is good because it's weird to not be able to taste it's like oh I should take advantage of this eat healthy yeah by the way when I the last time I think I was at your house and I was so sick I literally ate broccoli because I couldn't taste I'm like I might as well I know but it's also I'm realizing like so psychological it's like well I want to curl up with a bag of pretzels yeah not a bag of broccoli not a bag of broccoli. Not a bag of broccoli. Even though I did the other day steam some broccoli and eat it. That's disgusting.

No, because last week I was making broccoli egg bites and I had leftover broccoli that was like seasoned. So I just started eating it. I was like, this is so good. I should make this for a snack. Let's not and say we did. Anyways, refluish labor to me. Refluish labor to you. Do you need to blow your nose off camera you sound yes i'm waiting for the ad break i'm gonna go because i have something else to say and you can it'll give you like 10 seconds okay i'm gonna take my headphones

off so that i can go live your best life okay but i'm gonna miss what you're gonna say very sad oh okay just give me a teaser no so i went last night to a dinner to celebrate the opening of the new crate and barrel store in Flatiron and oh my god like I've never been like a crate and barrel girly like I go more CB2 because like it's cheaper and it's a 25,000 square foot store it looks seriously like a Costco like it's huge it was so sick it was so gorgina there was like a dinner downstairs for like 50 people, but upstairs you could just like walk around the store, take pictures. Oh my God. I'm so in the holiday spirit now. They had like Christmas trees and like an ornament making thing. And then like,

it was so sick. And I just wanted to say like it opened today. Like I'm going to be spending my time at Crate and Barrel. Like I've never been one of those girls, but with my new house. Yeah. You need to make selections. Okay. Go, go, go. Yeah. I'm going to mute myself. I'm actually going to get up and mute my microphone. Without further ado from this nasally wench, here are the Fast Five stories that you need to know. And the Fast Five stories that you need to know are brought to you by Mattress Firm.

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sneaking it in. Yeah, I know. Our next, our first story, not our next one. Fire Festival 2 kicks off with zero gravity flights and no catastrophes. If convicted fraudster Billy McFarlane, the guy behind the catastrophically incompetent Fire Festival, took you to a remote airstrip outside of New York City and told you to get on a tiny plane to experience zero gravity flight. Would you climb aboard? Apparently, some people would.

Page six here is that ex-con Billy McFarland took a group of around 75 of the first people to buy tickets for his do-over event, Fyre Festival 2, to an airfield in Orange County, New York, and sent them up in private planes to experience weightlessness. Pilots can create the feeling of weightlessness even inside the Earth's atmosphere by flying through a certain kind of arc. Is that what Vanessa did when she threw up? Yeah. Literally me. I have so many things to say. So he's doing a Fyre Festival too.

People have bought tickets. The first purchasers got to experience weightlessness with Billy McFarland. The fact that there are 75 people who purchased tickets, like they are fucking morons. Like I'm sorry. Like I don't know what's going to go wrong, but I will not feel bad for them. Like I won't.

Like this is so stupid. Second of all, Fyre Festival and Billy McFarland is a pop culture moment I am so done with. Like I don't want to hear him on podcasts. I don't want to see him on podcasts. I don't want to see him doing interviews. I don't want to hear about what his next plans are for, like, I don't care. Can we stop? Like, we get so obsessed with these things and we ruin them. Like, okay, I understand when the documentaries came out, like, sure, it was fun. That was years ago. Why

are we still talking about this person? I mean, because it was such a moment, I think everyone's trying to recreate the moment. It's giving Suez. It's giving, you know, shipping container, like trying to squeeze through, trying to make a Suez moment. The way I feel about Billy though, I feel differently. I'm just like, like if at first you don't succeed, try, try, try again. I love this for him. I think he should keep going. I hope Fyre Festival 2 is a massive success and he proves all the haters wrong. I hope that for him. I don't care. Like that's a thing. Succeed or not. Like my life remains uninfected. I will never purchase. Like I cannot. And by the way, not only did they buy a ticket, they also bought a ticket with like more dangerous activities. Like I would never go on a plane that was procured by Billy McFarland.

Yeah. But if you watch the documentaries about fire festival, like Billy just has this, I'm sorry to say entrepreneurial spirit that you cannot quell. You can't deny. When he was doing, it's an entrepreneurial spirit coupled with a fraudster spirit. Right. That makes for this beautiful enigma that is Billy McFarland. Even when he was doing those credit cards, like he just wants to build something. No, he just like wants money.

His name should be Bill D. Bill D. McFarland. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, you can't crush his spirit. He paid the time for the crime. He did, he did. But I'm just so uninterested in the comings and goings of Fyre Festival 1.0, 2.0,.0 3.04 like i don't care and i think

also the people who buy tickets they just want to be a part of something i think it speaks to like and by the way deep a deep like desire and deep desire to be in a documentary you know by the way nobody on the planet understands that better than me i every day I wake up and I say, what can I be a part of today? But not at the expense of my own life. Yeah. Getting on a plane. But did they die? Did you die though?

But did you die? No, they didn't. This time. Yeah. He has the same energy as that guy who created the submersible company yes like trying to do something that can't be done for a reason for a reason there's a reason why you can't do a music festival on a remote island because they don't have the infrastructure right right there's a

reason why it hasn't been done before like I'm just like if I never heard the words fire festival again like I would be fine you know I'm at that place now I'm at the place where it's like history to me and I I can relive it like at a glance I'm not in it like now it's like it's far enough away that I can re-engage from time to time for me it isn't love is it it isn't hate it's like it's far enough away that I can re-engage from time to time. For me, it isn't love. It isn't hate. It's just indifference. Okay.

It sounds a little like hate. No, actually. I feel very calm. It's indifference. Okay. It's indifference. Sorry. I am indifferent.

Like I feel similar. Like people are always grouping them together. Like he and Anna Delvey. I, he, she did come to mind as a fraudster with an entrepreneurial spirit who like the media won't let you forget. Yeah. I guess my treatment of these two is a little different. Is it because Anna's a woman? Is it internalized misogyny? No. I think it's because what Anna Delvey was doing was just kind of like specific to her and I don't even know what she was doing. No and she was stealing money from banks. It's hard to be sad for banks. No it's not even like I feel sad but like Billy McFarlane it was like the influencers the celebrities like everybody was involved in what he it was just so much bigger than him. Whereas I feel like what Anna Delvey was doing,

like was all her, you know, a little circle jerk. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't big enough for me to care about. No, there were like,

there were actual victims in the fire festival saga. And there were people there, there are all these different layers. You should dislike Billy McFarland more than you dislike Anna Delvey. But we're talking about Bahamian companies. No, I know, but we're not talking about a dislike for the scam they did. We're talking about a dislike for the media cover, like the press about them and them as like public figures.

How about this? I don't like either of them. Yeah, I wouldn't say I like either of them. And in terms of the content that was made from their scandals, like I quite enjoyed Inventing Anna. I quite enjoyed the Fyre Festivals. I never saw them. Maybe that's why.

Maybe. Because it was like really crazy. I'm sure. It was just one of those trends I just like didn't participate in. That's like me and Tiger King. What a blessing that was. Yeah. To not participate? To not participate or the show itself no to not participate for some people like it was the biggest blessing in their life and that's what's wrong with this country there's a

lot of things wrong with this country can you tell me about this Osama bin Laden I would love to please like I I think I know what's happening and I can't believe it. I need you to break it down for me. Apparently, like while Osama was kicking, you know, in that palace of his, he had penned this open letter, a scholar, if you will,

to the United States with his just, you know, his philosophies and his thoughts, you know, on the matter. And it was like, I don't think it was, you know, made philosophies and his thoughts, you know, on the matter. And it was like, I don't think it was, you know, made waves when it was published, but somebody on TikTok posted about it and it's gone viral. And people are like, you know, posting videos, recapping and sharing their thoughts on the letter to America penned by Osama bin Laden. And I will say it's important to know

most of the people who made videos were women. Just thought that was an important thing to add. Being like, you know, Osama had a point. Osama had a point. Being like, let's talk about this letter. And I'd be like, yeah, let's talk about it. And if I watched a video, horrified that the thoughts they were having on the letter weren't the same as my thoughts. And I honestly think people like this really need to be watched by the FBI.

Like, it's insane. It's insane. What's Osama's thesis? The thing is, I don't know. Is it, you know, America needs to be destroyed? Yeah, it's like, you know, the freedoms and that, you know, our government is lying to us. Like, it's insane. It's written by Osama bin Laden, you know?

No, it's literally Osama. No, and it's not figuratively Osama. It's not giving Osama. No, no, in a literal sense, in a physical sense, in a tangible sense, it's Osama bin Laden. Yeah, but those people on TikTok and who are these empaths for Osama, they weren't alive during 9-11, most of them, like at its shows. That's what the response has been. You have to be alive for something to understand.

Have empathy. Not even empathy, like common sense. Wait, that just reminded me of something. The craziest thing happened to me last night. Like this is major tea. I have to share. Oh. I told you this.

Did you not read my text in the chat? You did. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. Okay, crazy. Like more than one crazy thing can happen. What do people like to say? Two crazy things can be true at the same time.

No, they just say two things can be true at once. But I'm making. You're making it your own. I'm meeting the moment. So I feel like I'm not supposed to share this but like I don't care yeah was it not like a private thing oh it was should I not I don't know that's why I assumed it was a private thing like it was no it was it was but like would this person care I don't know him. Fuck.

Fuck. Maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. I'm really sorry. That was not cool, guys. Like, okay. Maybe like one day. Maybe tomorrow if you find out more information.

I'm sure someone will actually write it up. I'm sure there was like a mole. I thought there would definitely be a mole and that this thing would be on page six. And then I could say it was there. It's not really a page six type thing. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. I would say.

Okay, let's stop talking about a thing I can't share because that's so annoying and I'm really sorry. But you're right. I don't want to get in trouble. Turdy's going to work to find out if she can share. Let me just ask someone what they think. Okay, yeah. And then we can circle back to it.

In the meantime, I'll tell you our second story. Now, usually haircuts do not make news on this show and I think that's a policy we should stick by but Harry Styles has given fans a closer look at his shaved head and he's dividing his fans wait I'm sorry some notes from Osama bin Laden's letter because I just opened this text message and it says so he says that he really really feels that people should abscond from homosexuality Jews run everything and that was pretty much the thesis and so the women and the women loved it and that's why I've said it once and I'll say again I'm not a woman who blindly supports other women because I've seen some of those women's TikToks

and they don't have my support. I mean, maybe they didn't get to the part about how Osama feels about women. Yeah. I mean, he loved women. Or maybe they did. He married all different types of women at all different ages.

Yeah. And all at the same time. That is the craziest thing. It's literally Osama. Okay, Harry Styles shaved his head. We talked about it earlier this week.

We did. He posted a picture. Fans are divided. I'm making an exception to the rule. We're talking about a haircut because this is big news. You know, he's, yeah.

They're calling him hairless Styles. I don't love it. I don't love it. And I knew that it was coming. I saw a very blurry picture of like his silhouette. So I had a feeling I would know what it would look don't love it. And I knew that it was coming. I saw a very blurry picture of like his silhouette. So I had a feeling I would know what it would look like.

And it doesn't look like what I thought it was. And it looks bad. So do you not feel like he's the David Beckham? No. So I would have thought he was one of these people who could pull off any hairstyle. I'm like, I really don't like it. I don't dislike it. He's a nice looking man.

But it definitely takes away. I mean, he looks a lot older. It takes away some of that boyish charm, which I think he likes. Perhaps. He looks like a lot of other people now. And I feel like before he was, you know, one of a kind. Yeah. But now he looks like a number, like just like an artist.

Yeah, that's true. Actually, that's a great point. I just think aesthetically it's not my favorite. You prefer hair full styles, hair full styles, hairy styles, hairy styles. Yeah, me too. Though I do like change, you know, whenever someone cuts their hair, even if it's like it's not your best cut, like I appreciate that you tried something new. Yeah, yeah. And Harry's always had a multitude of hairstyles. We remember the shoulder length. He's grown out his hair.

He's cut his hair. This most recent one with very Bachelor-esque, fluffy. I liked that one for the Love on Tour. This just isn't my favorite. But you're right. He definitely fancies himself a David Beckham type. Yeah. And he is good looking enough that it really doesn't matter.

But it's different. Yeah. It's different. It hits different this time. Catastrophic blues moving on was always easy for me to do. Speaking of Taylor Swift songs, I watched the show The Buccaneers on Apple TV. I think it's like four or five episodes. And when I started it, I was regretting it because it's not good. But I kept watching. I kept watching because like I already gotten into it and I don't want to

take the time to get into another show I'm not going to like. It's just like so historically inaccurate. Like it's set in like 1870. And it's like but it's meant to be. It's like the way that they're behaving, these girls, like they would never like no one would ever. And it's set in like 1870 and it's like but it's meant to be it's like the way that they're behaving these girls like they would never like no one would ever and it's about like you know american rich american like gilded age girls like going over to britain and you know the broke lords want to marry them whatever and the way that these american girls are behaving like i know there was a difference between like the americans and the british but this is on an it's ridiculous they're like constantly running around. First of all, in the opening scene,

they're like showing their arms. Like I don't think anyone was showing, like it, but it's like they wanted to do a modern show about like love and whatever, just set in a different time. Yeah. And it's just bothering me how there's like, it's so devoid from like historical accuracy,

just in terms of like, I like those like small cultural things even in one scene she's giving the baby a bottle which i'm obsessed with like how people like breastfed nurse rear children before there were breast pumps formula everything and the bottle is like this little glass boat and i thought that was so interesting and like that's why i like shows like this you like learn things like that i want more of that not sleeveless women running around in corsets that like no they would never be allowed out of the house like that wait you also just reminded me like nobody's talking about the fact that Gilded Age is back because it's one episode at a time and the show's

not good enough for me to watch it it's not Game of Thrones sorry no but I do feel like it could be one of those shows that like by the time we we hit season three or four, it's so popular and it gets really good. Because it's there. The makings of it are there. It's beautifully done. Yeah. I mean, I like it because it's high vibe, but it's not the best of the best.

No, no. It's not. It's Julian Fellowes, but it's not Downton. No, no, no, no, no. But it could be. There's something about it's Julian Fellows, but it's not Downton. No, no, no, no, no. And it does give like community. There's something about it that's like community theater. I'm sorry. It's first of all, there's a lot of things about it.

But like Cynthia Nixon playing something other than Miranda Hobbs is literally it's just impossible. It's impossible to suspend your disbelief and believe that, you know, she's a woman living in the Gilded Age. And just the accents like it, it's comical. Yeah. And even those new nouveau riche people across the street, like, it's just so put on. Like, you feel like you're watching a fake show. Yeah, yeah, that's fair.

You don't feel transported. You don't. So, Buccaneers, but now that I've gotten a few episodes, like I'm into the storyline. It's good. Christina Hendricks is in it and she's amazing. I love that bitch. She's so different in the show. She plays the mother.

But she is just really acting through. She's really acting well. Like the fact that we live in a world where Bryce Dallas Howard and Christina Hendricks both exist and they're not the same person like I'll never understand that yeah but sometimes one of them's working and so the other one shows up like it's nice to have like a backup redhead yeah it's nice there we get two I don't think I could possibly tell them apart except because I watched Mad Men like I definitely recognize Christina Hendricks more. As a redhead, I can tell them apart with ease.

Like, same with, like, Amy Adams and Isla Fisher. I'm sorry. Those two women don't look alike. Everyone thinks they're the same person. No, I can tell them apart in a flash. But those are the four redheads. And then Jessica Chastain rounded out. And we have a basketball team.

The, uh, the fire crotches. Sorry, that's disgusting. It is. It's like a disgusting word. I can't believe I just used that. I'm disgusting. You are. I am.

Are you ready for our next story? I just feel, you know when you can feel energy in a room? Okay. I feel like there's like a mouse in here. Like I can just feel it maybe it's you like we've been in the studio for many many years we've never seen a mouse I just think my time is up you know maybe you're the mouse but I'm not because I'm a girl there could be girl mouses I'm a human girl is the mouse in the room with us? I believe it is

Put out a piece of cheese You think I have cheese? Yeah I think there's a cheese string in the fridge honestly Maybe that's why we have a mouse And if it's not there The mouse already got it Yeah Any other thoughts before I can add them the next story no I've been told I

really shouldn't share my tea and I'm really sorry to have brought it up thank you for the apology I'm glad I caught you in time yeah our next story is a story that I'm very passionate about wow what story number is this three okay Bachelorette star blake hortzman is expecting his first baby with love is blind alum giannina gibelli so for people who watch love is blind or the bachelor bachelorette you probably know that blake hortzman from becca season of the bachelor is dating giannina from love is blind who was engaged to damien and she lost her butterflies they have she lost her butterflies. They have been. She lost her butterflies.

They've been together for a while. Like over a year, maybe two years. They met on like a reality show where like cast offs of other reality shows go. I don't know which one specifically. Very like MTV X on the Beach. Yeah, like Sex on the Beach sort of thing. But not that one. Yeah.

And they've been going steady for a really long time. And now they are pregnant. And I am just over the moon for them. No, I will say like this is the ending nobody saw coming. You know, it's very sweet. I just like I think their Instagram content is insane. Jackie's always sending it to me like I find it very triggering. But that's neither here nor there because I actually think this is lovely and I'm really happy for them I'm really happy for

them you couldn't write a better ending to both of them for to both of these shows even like the fact that I think a lot of people you know they go on shows like famous in love you know crossover shows yeah meet someone probably have a lot in common with them because you've both been on a reality show but it never lasts. And these two are defying the odds. Yeah, I agree. It's really nice. The pregnancy announcement was really beautiful.

And it's great. The proof is in the pudding. It's true. It's true. And I also feel like they're, even though like I was saying, like they're so, like their Instagram is just insane. It's a lot.

It's a lot. I also weirdly feel like they're very low key. I feel like a lot of people don't even know that these two are dating. Not enough people know is how I feel. And it's my job to share it with the world.

And to publicize the nace of them having a baby together. Yeah. And like I feel I feel as though like nobody really knows like either of these people on a real personal level

because they both kind of had like these insane personalities on their shows and they both had crazy arcs right but I feel like they know each other right they see each other they've seen each other at their best and at their worst and they're choosing to forge ahead so I believe in their love find you a love like Blake and Giannina. No, it's really nice. I'm happy for these two. I always forget about his Bachelor in Paradise stint. I always just think of him as like Becca's runner up.

I don't think of him like ever. But if I had to think of him, I think of him as like Jason Tardik, right? Yeah, but now I'm remembering Kaylin Stagecoach. Text messages. Text messages, Hannah G. What did Hannah G do? He just like really wanted to date her in paradise, even though he had already had a thing with Kaylin,

but he asked Tayshia out on a date, even though Hannah G was there. He was just a mess. Messy, messy horseman. Yeah. Hannah G made the right call she's looking i mean everybody made the right calls for themselves look at blake yeah there was an that was an like a good era of bachelor in paradise and we did get a lot of couples from that time caitlin and dean yeah obsessed obsessed hannah and dylan yeah they just got married yeah who else who else anyone Tayshia

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Mazel tov. Though I'm married. Oh, plan words. Are you ready for our next story? Yes. It's some exciting news for the children. Thank God. Frozen four is in the exciting news for the children. Thank God.

Frozen 4 is in the works at Disney. Bob Iger reveals. Was there ever a 3? It's forthcoming. But before it even comes out, they're letting you know Frozen 4 is coming. Bob Iger revealed the studio is working on a fourth Frozen movie in addition to the previously announced Frozen 3, which hasn't been released yet.

He said Frozen 3 is in the works, and there might be a Frozen 4 in the works too he said on gma but i don't have much to say about those films right now uh the director who created the original movies is hard at work on not one but two actual stories of frozen i wake up every day mad that i wasn't cast in frozen like they didn't even know it at the time i'm sure they thought it would be a great payday, like a big Disney movie. They didn't know the franchise they were creating when they created that movie. And like, I just think like how lucky Idina Menzel, Josh Gad, Jonathan Groff, like I'm so- Kristen Bell.

That's what I meant. I'm so jealous. It's disgusting. Maybe there's a new character that you could audition for. I would love, love, love that. Also, speaking of Disney movies, Dwayne The Rock Johnson was on Jimmy Fallon, and he announced that in the works is a live-action Moana that he's going to obviously play Maui in. Chef's Kiss, great idea. This is what's great about having so much immediate success with new movies.

They could also do this for Frozen. Right. And like Moana is not problematic. So in a few years when they, you know, do it again, they're not going to have to, you know, remove the dwarves. Right. Right. No, but I'm saying like, and I guess maybe it's a little different for Frozen. Like I don't think Idina Menzel would play Elsa in a live action Frozen.

No, they're like teenagers. Yeah. And they don're like teenagers. Yeah. And they don't look like their characters. I guess this really only works for Dwayne. Yeah. I don't know who, there aren't really other like famous voices in Moana. Moana herself,

she's about to be in Mean Girls, a musical. Oh, no way. Yeah. Who is she playing? I think one of the Mean girls oh I love that yeah but Dwayne playing Maui and also like Maui was inspired by him a bit like it was very right simpatico yeah like his culture his tattoos tattoos right so I think that's awesome I think Moana live action will be stunning yeah All that oceanic panorama.

Yeah, but who would play like the live action Frozen? That's a good question. Honestly, I feel like I keep using her for everything. Renee Rapp. Anna could totally be Anya Taylor-Joy.

Or Elsa. That's a good question. And never stop Zac Efron. And you know what we don't talk about enough as a culture? How like he was in High School Musical because they liked him so much even though he couldn't really sing. So like in the movies, Drew Sealy is singing and Zac Efron is lip syncing. And then Zac Efron kind of became like the guy for musicals.

And he sang in The Greatest Showman. So like why couldn't he sing in High School Musical? I think he stepped his pussy up. Yeah. He took some voice lessons. I think he probably had. He was in stepped his pussy up. Yeah. He took some voice lessons. I think he probably has. He was in Hairspray. Yeah, he probably has a pleasant enough voice.

Like he's not like me where there's just no helping. But he could carry a tune. And I think he had so much potential to be a musical king. Like he dances, he acts, he's down to clown. He's so down to clown. That's an important factor in a movie musical actor. No, if you want to get in musicals like you have to be the most unserious person right so they were like if we could just help this unless you're doing like les mis right if we could help this man's voice he'll

be unstoppable and that's what they did honestly it to me it translates as this is a person who was born to sing like when i heard him on Hairspray so ladies choice choice choice I'm the ladies do do do do do like that to me is one of the greatest musical performances of our time and you're telling me that person had to learn how to sing and he wasn't just born singing yeah I think talent should needs to be honed without love like hello but i also think what makes him a great movie musical actor it's not his voice itself like isn't amazing it's the whole package yeah like even in greatest showman like his i'm not struck by his voice like i'm just struck by the whole thing so it's just a small part of the magic that is zach efron and i always thought it was so cool

how for a very long time, Zac Efron was like the hottest guy in Hollywood. And he just like loved to do musicals. Like it was so sweet and cute. And like, and he was so straight. I was like, this is so crazy. I never thought about it much, but it's a beautiful thing.

I thought about it all the time. How like he was just like singing and dancing queen, but he was also like this heartthrob. Yeah, I really never saw it that way, but it's beautiful. Yeah, and I guess he was kind of like a young Hugh Jackman. And that's why The Greatest Showman was so beautiful because it really was the passing of the baton.

Yeah, but also young Hugh Jackman is Gaston, Luke Evans. Luke Evans. I love that man. I could wax poetic. I could do a whole podcast on Luke Evans, Luke Evans. I love that man. I could wax poetic. I could do a whole podcast on Luke Evans, but it's important to note, I've literally only seen him in Beauty and the Beast. Like I'm sure he's worked on other stuff.

I've never seen it. But that's a sign of a great, like when someone's one role is enough to sustain you. We need to rewatch Beauty and the Beast when we're on vacation in December. I'll add it to the list I haven't seen it in probably a year and it's oh and you know what like now with this list we do have to think about the children no because I feel like I've thought about this we'll be watching

when the children go to bed oh okay but no but that's why it's a great movie like Kayla loves Beauty and the Beast yeah yeah yeah and that's nice and stuff but like not to be annoying like watching stuff with the kids is annoying like they're like jumping around and like we can't focus oh wow no like it's we're gonna be watching this stuff when they go to bed we're not gonna be watching The Golden Bachelor with Kayla are we? She would love it. No she would like be disruptive and I love her but like if we're gonna watch something we have to watch it wow wow well soon we can add Frozen 4 to our lists of family-friendly movies I didn't even see Frozen 2 I'm not like a I'm not obsessed with Frozen it's good it's really good no it was good it was good

you'll watch it you'll watch it and you'll like it and I loved what they did you know that first movie with like the celebrity soundtrack Demi Lovato did Let It Go Rascal Flatts was on there right no they just uh they did like an off-brand oh they did an off-Broadway cover yeah they did this like you know every once in a while I think it was David Foster he put together an album of Disney covers oh that's cool yeah it was good and Rascal Flatts did Let It Go with Lucy Hale yeah someone went into my brain yeah so you're saying that wasn't a disney sanctioned work of art it was disney sanctioned you can't sing their songs without it wasn't like official it wasn't like the official soundtrack of frozen it was

just some people like riffing that's too bad i love to riff and raff yeah riff on me our fifth and final story um is kind of crazy and it's just funny the links will go to um to not choose jimmy kimmel being oscar host as a story i support what is it whatever it is i love an escaped horse on a plane forces the flight to turn back to jfk the horse escaped the plane where did he go so this is why details are important because you think like how did a horse end up on a plane without people knowing but no horses go on planes it's not yeah it's not like that within hours of taking off a plane was forced to reroute and return to its departure airport after a horse got loose in the cargo hold a boeing 747 took off from jfk on november 9th and once it reached 31 000 feet

its crew requested a change in flight plan as one of the 15 horses in cargo had gotten loose the plane was operated by air atlanta icelandic um the the horses were being transported there was 15 horses they were being transported to across the pond like the idea of a horse on a plane makes me want to cry. No, literally. I mean, I didn't think much about how horses get around these days. But of course they do. You know, they breed them. Of course, like when they go to like the big races.

Well, they usually stay on the same continent, I think. Yeah, but still, like if your horse is in California, you go to the Kentucky Derby, like you got to fly. No, you drive the horse. I think you drive. You see those horses on the highway all the time. I see horse on the highway. I just imagine he's going, you know, from one farm to the next like an hour away.

Yeah, I think if you're going from California to Kentucky, like you drive because a horse on a plane is an insane idea. No, it's insane. But when I think about horses crossing the seas, I would have thought that they would go by ship. I would have. Well, so I watched this documentary once and I was sobbing. It's called Cher and the Loneliest Elephant. And it's all about this like this elephant during COVID that was in like one of

these forlorn zoos in Pakistan. Like it was just horrible. And the zoo lost its funding, whatever, and all the animals, whatever. And they had nowhere to put this elephant and he was like decrepit and broken and sad and Cher got involved and they they had to get this elephant to like this refugee not no we're not what's the word sanctuary yes not refugee sanctuary in Cambodia how do you get from Pakistan to Cambodia? Cher was very helpful. They got a cargo plane and they like walked the elephant onto the plane. The elephant had like broken legs. He was in shackles. It was like one of these horrible zoos. And they had to train him for like weeks and months before the plane because he was a little violent because he was mistreated for so many years. So he had, he gained the love and trust of this doctor. and this doctor was basically saying it's his job to like help animals who are in captivity and then move on from them.

And it's a very hard job because you get so emotionally attached. So he has rules like he won't emotionally attach to these animals. But this elephant like stole his heart and this like Pakistani veterinarian was crying and like I was crying. It was so sad. It's such a good documentary. And then at the end like like because Cher is involved, he obviously, it's a happy ending and he's like thriving, whatever. And then they start playing Cher like, do you believe in life after love?

Let me tell you, this documentary changed my fucking life. So I didn't know that like in extreme circumstances, I mean, they got an elephant on a cargo plane. Well, that's crazy that a plane can take off with a literal elephant yeah on the plane that's amazing but I would okay so yes technically you can fly a horse but I would just think that I mean the journey by sea is longer but like the air pressure how does that affect horse I do believe they like tranquilize them it's still air pressure. No, of course. And also like horses sleep standing up.

So like for takeoff, is he standing up? And how is there like a tall enough cargo hold? I don't know. And this is just one thing like I don't want to know. Like what if there was a horse on board with Sully? We always talk about the potential dogs, but what about a horse? That's why it's crazy. No, but I don't think there are horses on passenger planes.

This was a cargo, Icelandic? It was Air Atlanta Icelandic. I believe that's like a cargo airline. Yeah, and so one horse got loose. They had to turn back around. But got loose like? From cargo, so like got out of his stall okay and they had to turn back around no because if this was a passenger plane and like my ass had to turn around because someone's fucking horse wasn't clipped in like i would be so mad when i hold on there's more details about

how the horse got loose but when i first read this story like i thought like a horse accidentally ended up on a plane jumped no like i No, like I thought a horse accidentally, they said he escaped to the plane. I'm like, he jumped out. Mid flight. According to the chairman of ARK, um,

the company that handles all animal export and quarantine operations at JFK. We have to have him on the toast. Honestly, I just feel like he, like, I hope he runs a clean business. Like, I feel like I'm really getting upset.

Like, so apparently this is going to upset you. No, no. Turbulence struck, and the horse jumped and managed to get its two front legs over the front barrier of its holding stall, and then he got jammed. So the horse was then suspended over the barrier with its front legs on one side and its hind legs still inside the stall. So upon landing, he was met with a veterinary care team

and he needed equipment to help get him out. Okay, that's not as sad as I thought it was going to be. Like he was probably just scared and uncomfortable for a few hours. Yeah. But he wasn't probably in any pain.

I don't know. Then the plane took off again. They were going to Belgium. That was the original destination shortly after the horse was attended to. This is just like one of the things

you never think about like how what makes you know like people buy livestock like it happens all the time farming is real um it's just one of the things i just wish i never knew yeah and especially with horses like i feel like there there's all different kinds of horses breeds you know got your english horse i've heard um they've got nice horses in hung Hungary it's like how did they get to Hungary unless they were born there yeah no I think they like it's a certain kind of horse yeah it's just sad

and we have horses here Wild West we do Wild West the West is wild it's gonna stay wild it will forever be wild. It's going to stay wild. It will forever be wild. And that's your Daily Horse Update.

It's going to stay wild. You should stay wild. So yesterday when I went to this dinner at Green Barrel, I was seeing a bunch of people I didn't know. They were just asking what I do. And they were like, well, what do you talk about? And I'm like, we talk about how horses are wild. We talk about how horses get from one continent to another.

Like, honestly, because I feel like a million years ago, like, I would have said, like, we're a pop culture show. And, like, we are. But we're so much more than that. And I feel like saying we're a pop culture show just kind of diminishes the work that we do for animals, you know, and other subjects. Yeah. I feel like there's a better word for what we do, which is, like,

how would the – Entertainment. Entertainment. Entertainment, like there's a better word for what we do, which is like, how would the. Entertainment. Entertainment, but also just like lifestyle. Yeah, but that sounds fake. I know. We have a lifestyle podcast.

Oh, so you're unemployed. Yeah. Let me, you know what? Let me look at thesaurus.com. We need a new word. It's more just like,

humanity. Style of, style of living love love i have a style of living podcast what do you do humanity i like that because we talk about all things like sometimes we laugh sometimes we cry sometimes we joke you know yeah i feel like I need to look at what like college like made. Honestly, you know what we call it? Comedy. Yeah. I always say like it's we talk about entertainment stuff. We're in the comedy category. So it's funny.

Yeah. But like, no, we're we're a comedy podcast. Yeah. Right. We are. I mean, we literally are. No, I know. But I mean, i'm not talking categories

i'm talking you know if i were to explain it to someone yeah but that's like weird because it's like okay so you just do like comedy every day like knock-knock jokes what do you talk about comedy funny things you need like blank with a comedy bent what you need like subject with a comedy bent entertainment like now we're just we sound like we don't have jobs like pop culture world news yeah but then they're gonna think we're talking about nato yeah hold on unserious world news there's definitely like a category on people.com. Like humanities, honestly. Human interest.

Okay, they have news, entertainment, royals, lifestyle. Lifestyle. I think we're a lifestyle podcast. Society and culture. Should we move categories? We are society and culture, but that's like also not a real... We have like a cultural podcast. Culture.

Culture. Okay, that's pop culture. Oh. Now I'm forgetting that the word culture is in pop culture. Literally. Like I said, I'm not smart. But we also... Society.

Social issues. I mean. But then we're just like shouting words. Social issues. That is what we do. Shouting words. That's it.

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