The Toast - You're A TRAY-OR: Friday, February 27th, 2026

Episode Date: February 27, 2026

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It's Jackson, Claude and every show the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off, swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy Friday. That's right. Cause for Celebration. And I've decided to celebrate by having a guest on the show.

You know her, you love her. You know, mom to many, mother to three. It's Jackie. Oh, that's so sweet. That's a cute Instagram bio for me. You know, when we had our six-year toast anniversary party, we like gave a speech. And then we were like thinking, you know, everyone, like our partners and our families. And then we thanked each other.

And I remember I had thought of the line before. I said, I forget exactly what I said. I have it on camera somewhere. I said like, at the time it was mom of two. Mom of, oh, two, yeah. Mom of two, like, mother to all or something. It was like really insightful. Wait, I love it.

That's such a great Instagram bio for me. Maybe I've graduated from being like Jenzy's big sister to being like the Genzy's mother. The father figure. we all need. For sure. I love that. I think I have morphed.

I will. That's a really cute bio. Like, what'd you say again? Mother. No, mom of three, mother to all. Okay. Mother to many. Something like that.

Let me know what you guys think, because of course you're going to be able to fine tune it better than I get myself. By the way, the next time I'm posting a photo on Instagram, I'm posting it to my story first and saying, help me with this caption. Help me with this caption. Because it's just a slide all day.

I don't know if I ever told everyone, like where I landed on my personal Instagram bio journey because I was like torturing everyone for like a week. Yeah, I thought like strong opinions loosely held. No. And then I changed it. And where I landed was something I was really proud of, which was quoting my favorite artist,

Chapel Rhone. Your favorite podcaster's favorite podcaster. Okay. I'm your favorite artists. Favorite artists. And I'm literally your favorite podcasters, favorite podcast. Oh, okay.

I didn't realize that was Chapel. Definitely like knocks it a few points. You have to hate the player, but not the game, you know? I feel as though your. bio should be like queen corgi. No. Like now and forever. I did see Pugasso's performance.

What did he sing this time? From Spice Girls. Oh, okay. What do he sing? I actually don't remember what song it was, but it was the most amazing rendition. Philip Phillips is insanely talented. You feel like you would have said that if you didn't know that it was Philip Phillips. Like when you still.

Yeah. Well, the thing is anonymous pug Cossel. With ordinary, like it was bothering me how good his cover was. Like, yeah. Talent reigns supreme. That's always been a philosophy, a core tenant here of the toast. The cream rises. It shows.

The cream rises and does. It does. Happy for Pugaso that you finally turned a corner. I'm so excited for today. Whoever Pugasso is, we have to have them on the toast when all of this is. It's obviously Philip Phillips. Like, it's not even a question. You get to have Philip Phillips on the toast.

Today's episode is so great because we have so many stories. The Traitors finale, we trow away the season on Traders again. Do we have to wait till the end to recap Traders? Yes. It's like the number one thing in my mind. Did you watch a reunion? So I did. And I want to go out on a limb and say Traders.

is not a show that needs a reunion. I thought that it was. I didn't want to not watch the whole thing. They were bringing out tears of people, right? I didn't wait for like the final tier. It was so unsurious after the show was made. The show, what I like about, it's very dramatic, it's theatrical. We're burning coffins.

And like, it takes you a minute when it's over to be like, this is just a game. It's so serious. It's so serious. It's weird to know how to react. Like, do we love Rob? Do we hate Rob? But I'm saying regardless of wherever you landed, like they just make it so serious. I think that they lock people.

It's like very much like a psychological. experiment, you are cut off from the world. And then you go to the reunion, which was so unsurious. I was like, it was such a, like an anticlimactic come down. I don't know. I kind of like, I wish they released the reunion maybe next week. I did not like watching the reunion after the finale. It felt like, okay, so that was all like fake in a game and it was so stupid. Why did I get invested? It was just so late. Like I turned it off in the middle. It was like 1115. I didn't even know if you were watching it. And I was like, I have to. Oh, 1115. No, I didn't make it that far. I have to prioritize my mental health. I wanted to see more. I was. I wanted to see more.

talk to, you know what, sorry, we'll talk, we'll save for the end. But also, it's crazy that they dropped the reunion right after the episode when, like, for Love Island, they had the reunion two months after the episode. Like, ever heard of a week, Peacock? Ever heard of just, like, one week? Not only that, like, if you had waited, like, literally one more week, like Johnny and Tara, two very important characters could have joined, not from Milan. Like, it was so janky.

And then, like, I actually thought it was not. The way they were introducing, people like Colton sitting on a big couch by himself. Like, it was so weird, like the layout. I feel like everyone does reunions now and no one really knows how to do them except for Andy and housewives. And this got that treatment. I was like, okay, good, like a normal reunion. And honestly, I know I knock Andy like a lot and I might, you know, have a lot of shit to talk about him. But nobody does a reunion like him and like I don't know what talent that is.

But like it just is so smooth and the questions are answered and we get to the need to know information. I mean, he's done it so many times. He has that over other people. I don't know why like, no. No one else can do it. I know. No one else can do it. You have to be, it's like something that will like die with him.

You have to be like willing to like start stuff but also totally affable and like have people open up to you. Also you just can't you have to have balls like to say some of these questions. And you have to have seniority because you can't have balls without senior. It's like who were you to ask me this? Yeah. Like relevant. Right.

Yeah. No. It's, it's an art and he's mastered it completely. I don't know if we've seen a reunion. I can't even think of all the way. Like Ariana did Love Island. And it just like does. They keep bringing new people to do secret lives.

Oh, and he helped her with that. He had to come in. Yeah. Yeah. They also keep trying new people for the secret lives of Mormon wives. Right. It's hard. But there, I can't like judge Stasi on how she hosts a reunion because that was not a

reunion. That was a dungeon. Commercial. It was terrible. That was not a reunion. Agreed, 100%. The art of the reunion. It's going to be lost.

I think people thought like Nick Vile was like too biased, which it's very hard not to be. I didn't watch. Can't say. Me neither. So we will do a full try. as Trowaway recap at the end. Is that going to be a, that's going to be our final story? Of course. Like, I'm literally going to be sitting on my hands the whole time.

I know. I know. Um, we've got no biz news. We've got Queenie and weeny. It's kind of like a big chunky day. Queen and wean. Queen and Queen. I'm so excited for my queen. I'm going to introduce you to a, for the first time ever, I'm breaking boundaries.

My Queenie is historic. My Queenie is not a person place or a thing. My Queenie is a concept. Okay. Air rights? No, similar. Like very. similar in its conceptualness.

And it's a concept like you sort of need to know about. Okay, like air rights. Much like air rights. Okay, I look forward to learning something life-changing, like air rights. Yeah. For all the buildings I'm buying and developing. And unfortunately, my wieny is someone in this room. Look around.

I feel like Alan Cummings. I feel like it can only be me because like what are you going to like slam these? You'll say everybody. Just stay tuned to the end of the episode for more. Murder. He's so crazy. That last outfit. Yeah, that's what this win calls for.

No, but first of all, I lived for it. He looked like a background actor and jawbreaker. Like, insane. So not in theme with the rest of his outfits. Why didn't he host the reunion? Well, I actually appreciate that he did it. Like, he obviously can't. Like, he's obviously not good at it.

I don't want him to, but like the show has a host. The host is good. I love that he didn't. Like, I can't explain it. Like, don't. And he would make it like all about him. Like, no offense to him. He's like a theatrical person.

Yeah, it's not about Alan. Murder. Murder. So, yeah, anything else you want to chit-chat about? No, what was yesterday? We mageed hard. We played Majed on yesterday. We mage until, like, the club closed down.

So we literally till the break of so on. It was a good day for Maj. Everybody won. It was good. Yeah, everyone won. I felt like good. I had a cut. I played some new hand.

I won some new hands. That's exciting. Once you, like, win a new hand, like, it's yours. Like, I can do that hand anytime, any place. It's going down. And you really, should diversify the types of hands you do because once you like memorize the book you become more skill player yeah so if you are fluent in every hand the game is yours correct my gameplay

yesterday was on point was on point i felt like rob let's let's just start the show so we can get to okay what we need to get nothing else that you like want to share i'm trying to think like we maged dinner miss margot's here I had my date night. You had your date night. Let me tell you how bad I wanted to cancel. Wait, but how was it? Do you like the restaurant?

It was all great. And you know what? I love a restaurant that's quick. Like I was so tired. And like we both were like, we can't cancel. We can't cancel. Like staying up past bedtime to go to dinner. We were like, we can't cancel.

We were so tired. And it was traitors. Like I just wanted to get in my cozies. But we were like, we are doing this fucking date night. And you're going to like it. And so we went. And they sat us early. Dinner was literally under an hour.

They had the fastest service ever. the food was delicious. Are you glad that you went? 10s across the board. When you were sitting there where you're like, I'm glad we did this. Yes. And actually I hadn't seen Ben all day.

We had a lot to catch up with. I told him about mahjong and stuff with work. And I got like, you know, and it was good. It was like I understand why people do day night. I feel more connected. Oh, good. I was so tired. And I was like wearing the same outfit and makeup that I put on at 9 a.m.

I felt disgusting. But you know what? Day night. Okay, good. I'm glad. Because sometimes like when you go out, it's just like this. I shouldn't have done this. This was the least of my time.

Like, I need those hours back, traders, et cetera. Oh, and then, like, you know, everywhere here, like, has valet. The valet. There was this couple fighting so badly, like, this older couple in, like, whispers, you know, but I was standing right next time. It was probably the best part of the night, like, living. She was so mean. What was the problem?

Something about real estate. Like, he must have made a mistake. And she was like, and now we have to list it for a million more or something. Like, I know she was so fucking scary. And I'm like, I just knew she was right, you know. And he was just like withering away like coming into himself. And I'm like, keep going, girl, go. Get him.

I just knew. Like, I just knew. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Well, happy for you guys. What I was saying, Ms. Margo's here.

Do you know that? We're spending the weekend with our little sis. Sat she came to my house last night. That's also why I had to start Tradersley because she came at like 830. And a good host to put out a spread. And I like needed to see my little sister and catch up with her. And how was our little sister? She was adorable.

Is anything about me? Not a word. Tracks. We mostly asked about her, you know? And how is she? She's good. And I think she's, like, excited to be here with her family. You think?

I do. I think she's craving family. Like the little girl at Mr. C. Sometimes. All you need is family. She loves her sisters and her family, and that's just, like, what she needs right now. In fact, to me, I never need my family. Because I'm always with my family.

Because you desperately need them. No, I don't. Because I'm with. But you are with. You can't crave something. have, you know? I feel like you... Isn't that beautiful?

Oh, sure. Because you can't lose something you never have. If you insist, it's beautiful. It is. Once again, not respecting my calls. I'm so used to it at this point. Oh, I saw this like scathing expose on ballerina farm this morning on TikTok. It was so frustrating.

What's the tea? Like, they found her, like, I guess Ballerina Farm started as a blog, which was very much like an innermost diary of her thoughts. At a very crucial time in her life, she had just left New York. She had just left Juilliard. She got married. She had kids. kids young. They were living in Brazil. And she was just writing a lot about like in the early

days of motherhood. A lot of times she just feels like a cow and a counter cleaner. And, you know, it's crazy how much has changed in her life being like, look, they tore her dreams from how she can to be a ballerina. And it's like, no, it's just like being a mom. Like it was really not, it was not that deep. It's just, you know, called life changes. No, it's called growing up. Yeah. No. And you have very tough choices to make as a woman. And juggling the person you were with the person you're becoming. And yeah, you have to make sacrifices. It's hard. It's hard. It's the hardest job in the world. Yeah, I was pleased to see the comment section was like pretty much on my side. Just being like, we have to stop seeing her as like this perpetual victim. Like she does have

agency over her own life. She does. She's okay not being a ballerina like because she's a grown woman now, mom of, you know. No, and like a ballerinas have to grow up. Ballerinas grow up too. You know what I mean? you can't be a ballerina forever. I don't know. That Misty Copeland, she is ballerining. She's crushing it. Like, she's always in.

But there's only one Misty Copeland. It's so true. Thousands of ballerinas who had to give up the dream. And only one, Misty Copeland. And she is actually, I would say she's probably the second most famous ballerina right now. Yeah, but not for her dancing. No, she could start dancing on Instagram if she wanted to.

We would love that. If she was like doing twirls around the farm. She does. She could literally do whatever she wants. The world's a same. stage. She literally has a stage like on her compound. And on her Instagram. If we

had a compound, we would obviously have like multiple dwellings, right? Our main home, we would have of course a state of the art podcast studio. I would like maybe like a recording studio like for music of course we'd have a garden. Like what other dwellings would we have? She has a ballet studio. Right. So there she is. Living her dream.

What dwellings would you wish for on our compound? I feel like you'd need like a craft's room where you could just like do all your Like Craig has You also, we would need a test kitchen, of course, for Ben. Oh, yeah, we need a studio kitchen for Ben. You know people have like a gift wrapping room? Oh, we need a game room.

Yeah, like a ribbon. Oh, we need a game mansion. Like I need multiple rooms. Yeah, we need a game house and then one room in that one room in that house is for mage. Right. Because I don't want like people with their other games. Get out of here. Smelly old game.

Gavin. But yeah, people have like gift wrapping rooms in their house. Like, how many gifts are you wrapping? Yeah, I know. And I'm not like a huge gift giver when I am. It's like I'm not wrapping it either. Unless you're going to like kids parties. Kids parties, I feel like you have to wrap.

Yeah, you do. But it's like, that's kids party gifts. It's like everyone just ran out to CVS and bought someone a piece of crap. And it's like, I don't need it. I do feel like kids parties like also you save all the gifts. And then you give them to other people. Like when someone doesn't give me a gift for a kid's party, I don't notice it.

Like, it doesn't bother me. And I hope that I'm extended that same grace. Like, carmically, if I ever arrived to a party and I didn't bring a gift. I think that in my future, I will be doing giftless. Like, please don't bring gifts. I went to a party recently and on the invitation, it said, please don't bring gifts. Just what I need more crap in my house.

And I was like, that is such a sleigh. In lieu of gifts, please make a donation to the Mark Shenwinter Holocaust Education and little gifts just show up and have a good time. You have a bagel. Like we didn't need like a $20 piece of junk from Target. I agree. I agree. No, my birthday parties for me and all my children will be like giftless. Gift free.

And not because I'm like, you know, waste management queen. I don't want crap in my house. My garage. Like it's just so much stuff. Yeah. I do not want that. But then you know, you need a little something special. You go to the trove.

You got a trove. Well, you can have a trove. I have a trove right now. A trove away vote. A trove. But yeah. Yeah, like give yourself grace. If you showed up to the kids' party without a gift,

I don't think anyone's remembering that. I'm certainly not. I do think we should dive in. We have so much to cover. Oh, right, right. We said we were going to do that. And that was 10 minutes ago. Yeah, okay.

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So in a stunning twist, Netflix's CEO says the major studio was always nice to have at the right price, not a must have at any price, as Paramount continues to increase their bid. It went into the hundreds of billions of dollars. And Netflix has officially bowed out, which leaves Paramount, the last man standing to acquire Warner Brothers Discovery Co. HBO. It was like so an underdog, right? I feel like when we were talking about it, like the deal was already moving forward. I feel like these are the types of deals that have to be approved by the government. So they were moving forward.

And Paramount was like, they sent out an email to their subscribers. Oh, yeah. I got an email from Netflix being like, welcome HBO. That was, they really got ahead of themselves. And based on what I had read, like the Paramount deal financially, like was better from the very beginning. So I wasn't sure why they didn't get it. And then there was like back and forth for like a week or two.

And then I never heard. So I actually thought about it the other day. I'm like, oh, I guess like they just got it. We never got sort of like a summation of the whole thing. And I guess the streaming wars are like very much back on. Yeah. Because now they're like a conglomerate in the making Paramount. They have MTV, CBS, VH1.

Now they have HBO. Viacom. Viacom, yeah. So I guess we're back. HBO Discovery. Discovery Plus, bringing back Discovery Plus. Oh, you know Discovery Plus is very much alive and well. Every time we talk about the streaming wars, we're like, and then remember Discovery

Plus? They literally keep leaving comments on our Instagram being like, hey, we're still here. I'm like, oh, okay. We're back, you guys. We miss you. Well, I guess they're now going to be folded into Paramount Plus. And HBO will be folded into PowerMount Plus. I feel like they need a new name to like,

they need just a fresh. A fresh name that's not tied to like any one of these players. And I'm feeling like I don't know when the last time I renewed my Paramount Plus. It was probably for Yellowstone. Yeah. And I have a feeling I'm going to need that again. Because a lot of my HBO shows. Yeah.

Seems like they might be there. Or they're going to keep them separate. I have no idea. I think one. HBO Max just like can't go through another app. Like we're on our fourth app. Yeah. But I think they are about to go through another one and has to be their final destination.

They're struggling with their identity. Listen. And you have to give them space. It's true. It's true. To understand who they are. Right. And what they are.

But now they've just been adopted by power. So maybe they don't have to make these hard decisions anymore because they obviously couldn't handle it. Well, congrats. I feel like this is a true underdog story. It is. But it's also like the richest company won. Like the one willing to pay the big bucks.

The money was green. And also at a certain point, I guess like HBO, wanted to, Warner Brothers wanted to go with like Netflix. They're like a little swankier than Paramount. Of course. Of course. They want to be in like the Netflix family. Um, but at a certain point they can't not take the,

the most money deal because like for their shareholders, it's like, well, the money is green. Right. No, they, when you're a publicly traded company, you legally have to take the best financial offer. So that's why it got so. And then became hostile at my point. There was hostility.

So like for Netflix, like yeah, it would have been nice to have all these HBO shows, but Netflix is so far above all the other streamers in terms of subscribers. I think they're like, like, like, like, crawling towards 300 million users and everybody else is like barely has 100 million. So for them like yes it would have been nice. They didn't need to pay an insane price for it and that's what the CEO saying and he's right for that. Whereas Paramount

like they were very much like on the precipice of dropping out of the streaming wars. Like I don't know anybody who like actively watches Paramount Plus. Now it's game on. Now it's game on. I like it on their big you know this is great for the consumer wins. Yep. You know everybody's trying to be better and hopefully have better content and

lower prices and impress me. Lower prices. Guaranteed. If Netflix had gotten HBO, like, they could have raised their price and, like, literally nobody could have done anything about it. Yeah, that's true. So I feel like now there's three biggies, right? Netflix, which has everything. Hulu, Disney, ABC, ESPN.

They're pretty good. And Paramount and HBO now. Warner Brothers, whatever you want to call it. Yeah, I feel like we're forgetting. A peacock is somewhere in the world. Peacock actually is, like, somewhere in the world. They do a pretty good job. And, like, YouTube TV.

That's cable. That's not a strong. Like, that's old. Not cable. But they don't create original content on YouTube TV. They're just, like, streaming all the shit you can find on Netflix and everything. Okay, but like, it's doing something. Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know where YouTube TV live. I can't think like that. I don't know. I really don't know. It's not cable. It feels like cable. It's like digital cable. Yeah.

I don't know. Everyone at a certain point, they all need to get together. And the way that we're living right now is not sustainable. And, you know, eventually I think they'll all come together and have channels and like a TV. Yeah. But yeah, the bifurcation of our nation. Of media is actually crazy.

The way we live going from app to app and getting like logged out in the different households. Like one day our ancestors will look back and be like, I can't believe they had to do that. Our descendants will really feel sorry for us the way that we lived like cavemen. It's so true. It's the way we feel about the cavemen. It's insane what we do. It's insane. Like I can't watch the next season of JFK because the next episode.

Why? Because I'm locked out because of my household. It also hasn't come out yet. Or it came out of like midday last night. I'm still waiting. Like I'm one behind. Oh. I just like I still have to watch them.

Oh, you still have one more episode. Oh, you're gonna have to. Maybe I'll watch it next year. Okay. No, I guess I'll put down roots at Hulu. But I just hate to like give them exactly what they asked for. Yeah, I hate when they're like tactics work.

They're like bad behavior is rewarded. Totally. Anyways, that's the latest biz news. Congrats to all of the people involved. I'm excited for us because we do then. and get to continue reporting on like the saga of HBO. HBO Go. HBO now.

HBO Max. Max. HBO Max. Paramount? Question mark. Like, I'm excited. Yeah. Yeah.

It's great stuff. Great stuff. Are you ready for our next story? Mm-hmm. Some odd news. Pink is making news as she denies her breakup from her husband in a new video. So Pink hopped on to say, she made a video on Instagram saying, I was just allured to the fact that I'm separated from my husband.

Well, There was like us weekly reported that she was getting separated. And then like an hour later she released this video. She said, I didn't know. She said her children were also unaware about the split. She said, would you also like to tell our children before saying that there's real news to be discussed? I love when celebrities bring up the real news. Like I like that she tackled this rumor head on.

They're not getting separated. Do you feel that? Yeah. She said this is big news. Yeah, she did say. She did say. It was a weird response, especially because she like doesn't really respond. Like she's not that type of celebrity.

it's just like such a like a trope of like why do you report on real news like right it's like it's like we do and we also want to report on this like it's okay it's us weekly like they're not going to report on the epstein bios like please and there are like it's it's the internet so there's unlimited capacity for articles they could write about both things it's just like it's almost like a stereotype like woke woman celebrity being like why don't you report on the real news it's like well we can hold space for both yeah and it's us weekly so she's not getting separated I think that's cause for celebrate. That is good news.

And she also said, do you want to maybe talk about the fact that I got nominated? The first year I was eligible for the Rock and Roll motherfucking Hall of Fame? Do you want to talk about my accomplishments? We did.

We spoke about them yesterday. And I just want to say like, we did. We did. And we didn't realize it was the first time you were eligible. Like Sleigh Mama Sleigh. No one's more deserving.

And again, like, they could talk about that and like this rumor. But also like don't poke like to us weekly. This isn't true. So why'd you say it? Yeah. Why did you get that from? This happens a lot.

This happens actually not a lot, but somewhat frequently where like a thing is widely reported as confirmed and it's just not and I feel like isn't that the whole point of journalism like yeah so that's why I'm like well why'd you say it and I just need to understand like where did you hear that mm-hmm not to say that it's true but like journalistic integrity you need to now like take it back issue a correction yeah I bet there's an update at the bottom of this article it's like pink is getting separated of this whole article about her and her man are getting separated at the very bottom it's update as of Thursday at 6 p.m. Pink says she's not separated it's like okay well thanks for the article

yeah I I like want to see if they haven't mentioned it it's like awkward yeah it is like that's not cool no it's not um so yeah pink and Carrie are going strong tj like forget about them they're a strong yeah you see Jim Carrey no he made an appearance I like an event in Europe I mean you know Jim Carrey doesn't really make appearances. And he has a new face, like a completely new face. And people are freaking out about it because they're like convinced it's like kind of Aver Levine and Melissa, you know? They think it's not him.

It's not him. It actually like almost looks nothing like him. It's insane. If it weren't for his like really remarkable smile, at every other part of him, he has long hair if you're looking for it. And he's like on a red carpet. Do you say?

I think so. I just gave my dad to friends 24. Or in order to see this photo. And you can't even see it. I see one photo. Like I do, but it is Jim Carrey to me. No,

it's like not. Hello magazine is. That's not it. That's not it. Okay. Keeps calling. That's him on the stage. Let me say.

Like this is the night that you're talking about the night of night. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He looks, and like a video, like where you could see his face moving. Like, did he get a facelift or was he abducted by aliens?

Like, people are freaking conspiracy theorists are running wild with this. Okay, everyone. Like, keep it in your pants. Like, just, Like he just went to Steve Levine. But I don't even think he had a facelips. He doesn't look like he has a younger.

He looks hella different. No, he doesn't like younger. That's true. Right. Like, he just looks different. It's just insane that like Jim, he looks so different. I'm sorry, like Jim Carrey did not get a facelift.

He would never. But Jim Carrey did something. I don't think this is about like cosmetics. What do you think? He's like sick? Like, it's something else. Okay, well, now I'll just shut up. Yeah, like everyone loves to do that.

I don't talk about people's faces changing. I don't. No, she doesn't talk about it on camera. No, I'm getting you. Unless, unless it's really changed. But like, I don't know. I just like, I don't care. Okay.

Like, do whatever you want to your face. You're being like so pink right now. No, I'm not, I'm not being a pubbit. Yeah, you are. Yeah, you are. I'm not saying, like, the famine. I'm just saying, like, I'm not saying it's because like there's other things. I'm just like, because it's actually worse than that.

Your personal interest level. It's that I don't fucking care. Like, do what you. It's your face. have one do whatever you want with it like it's a crazy when a man does it i guess i actually wouldn't no it's not crazy when a man does it it's just you everyone feels like they can say something when a man does it finally can like let it out of their pants because yeah when a woman does it's true it's true they get all excited we could talk about it look at me i'm excited you're titillated yeah so so i guess you

didn't choose that as a story cool no i no new faces are like rarely unless it's like a for the positive you know like like steve levin like a world tour because like he's done fantastic things. He has done fantastic things. Are you ready for our next story? Mm-hmm. Funny story. Rihanna's teasing new music in the studio.

Oh, girl, get out of here. She posted a video of her in this video. Like, you don't care about people's new faces. I don't care about stories like this. Like, because I refuse to get bamboo sold. I refuse to look stupid. Speaking of new music, though, Brut deau put out his new album today.

Oh, did he? I have to check it out. It's so good. Bruno Mars is incapable of releasing music. That's bad. And he's just like in the studio, like, Bebap, but up. Letting it rip.

Like the songs, I don't even know if they follow, like, typical song structure of, like, chorus first. It's just, like, Bruno Riffin. I don't feel like he's actually in the studio. I feel like he's in the casino basement riffing. Yeah, from his cell. Yeah, and that's why the music is so good because he's, you know, motivated. Yeah, he's singing for his proper.

His freedom depends on it, you know? Yeah. It's really good. The beats, and that's the music I've been craving recently is, like, soulful, I would say. Be-pap-a-du-pap. Like soulful, like Teddy Swims. Like, ooh, I just discovered funeral by Twentonnas. I'm a funeral.

You drive him. So, yeah, Bruno did it again. But Rihanna. But Rihanna just, you know, she's teasing that she's in the studio. But, like, she's probably singing a song for a new animated movie. She was probably like picking up ASAP Rocky. No, she's probably doing one song for like an animated movie. She's like.

And we have this conversation annually. I hate to repeat myself. But like, I'm not waiting for Riri 9. Is that what it is? I'm just not. I don't think it's ever coming. And at this point, I don't think that it can because nothing that she puts out.

Well, like, because of the anticipation. Could reach the hype. It's true. She's almost in, like, a terrible position. But an amazing one because she's a mother of three and she loves her life. And she's a billionaire. And she is, like, love and family. Yeah.

And. The things that really matter. And she's, like, laughing at everyone who, like, guys. She probably, like, literally rented a studio so she could take a picture and leave. And they'd just bother people. Yeah. I'm not waiting. So I just want to say, I'm okay.

Yeah. And I will be okay. Yeah, I will be okay as well. I'm no longer waiting. And, you know, you can listen to the hits. Four, five seconds from Wiling. That's literally one of the best songs ever. I actually feel like the most we would get from her right now is like a collab.

Like she loves to be a feature on a song. Low lift. And maybe if someone else came to her with like an amazing song, like she would lend her voice. But she's not going to put herself out there like that. Who would? In this climate, if you don't have to. Like to do a whole whole. album like everyone is so mean so true and they'll start talking about your face and like it's just never

ending yeah you know like i feel like lady gaga always puts like every album is just like a piece of her soul on the table and then everyone's like this is bad it must be so for someone like lady gaga like emotionally taxing because yeah she is her art her art is her like she is gaga gaga is stephanie like it's so ingrained in who she is and i feel like there's always like a lot of hype and all of her albums are successes, but not in like the, you know, culture-shattering type of way. And it must be, like, devastating to, like, constantly be going through that. And just for people to what, be like, I don't like it as much as dance, dance, just dance. It's like, okay. And I just feel like she's never emotionally recovered from art pop. Oh, that's funny. I don't feel like she's ever emotionally

recovered from Joanne. I feel like an art pop wasn't even bad. It was just like nothing could really follow up. Born this way. Oh, yeah. Oh, and I guess born this way followed up. But like, art pop just didn't do what she wanted it to do and I feel like that feeling has just like cloud it, sort of like Taylor and Rep. Yeah, but reputation was received very well. But it like didn't get nominated in the way that she wanted to do. Well, so how were we measuring success?

Because like Taylor, up until that point, reputation like was her most sold album. So it didn't have the Grammy recognition, but I think culturally it like, it freed her from the prison she like, her and Kanye put themselves in. Yeah. I think I think Joanne was that for Lady Gaga

Because up until that point She was always like you know Extravagant meat And it's like you don't know the real me And then she was like here's a real me He was a song about my aunt You know and nobody cared Like when I tell you nobody moved

I feel like she was hardened by art pop Which was meant to be like the next Follow up Yeah And it wasn't And then when she put out Joanne She was in a place of like I'm making music that I love

I don't care what people think She wasn't waiting for like The critic one to, you know, appreciate Joanne for what it was, but people are discussing. And so, of course, they didn't. Nobody appreciated Joanne for what it was. It was amazing. Amazing.

I didn't add that to, like, my rotation of albums. I love this show, well, because it's amazing. Yeah. But also because every day I'm inspired to listen to something on my way home. Like last week, it was, or earlier this week was Hannah Montana. And my favorite song that I forgot to share in addition to, like, my other favorite songs is bigger than us. Say it? We all want to believe in love.

We all. I want to believe in something bigger than just a... So good. What a message. Chilling. Like, chills. Chills. Chills.

Are you ready for our next story? Our fourth story. And then fifth story is traitors. And fifth story. Yes, I'm ready. Our fourth story is that Lana Del Rey's ex-fiance is revealed as a contestant in Taylor Frankie Paul's upcoming season of The Bachelor. So I was wrong when I said there are no familiar faces here.

You weren't wrong because he's still not familiar. But Lana Del Rey's ex-man is going on Taylor, Frankie Paul's season of the Bachelorette. Which one is he? Clayton. You have a picture? Yeah, this was his picture. I don't think he, like, was a standout. But I just remember the name Clayton when you said it. I remember that red shirt.

Because Clayton is just like such a bachelor contestant. I don't think anybody, it's kind of like your birthright. If you're born with the name Clayton, you have to go on a bachelor. Yeah, and he was previously engaged to Lana. I don't I much like Cynthia Rievo I didn't know any of this was happening Like I don't follow Lana Del Rey Yeah

And I'm barely keeping up with The Bachelor So I didn't know He's a musician He was in a band called The Johnsons I just feel like this whole Like this is such a red flag Like if I'm Taylor Frankie Paul And I find this out

Like I'm literally Oh you don't think it gives him clout No I think he's like obsessed With dating successful women Oh I feel like Not in a good way like No I feel like it gives him clout Like that's not just like

Oh he's you know The third person's like Lana Del Rey. Well, if he had actual clout, he wouldn't be going on The Bachelor. Do you know what I mean? Lana Del Rey, like, that's

major. Correct. So you don't need... And like if she liked him, like, that's a, you know, a feather in his cap. Oh, I'm seeing this from a totally different angle.

I'm like, this is weird. And if I find this out, I'm literally setting him home that night. No, I'm sorry. He's like chasing fame. No, but it's like you're... The way you're describing him, I understand if you're describing it,

it's like Max Ehrlich. Of course, Mac Ackleck. Yeah, of course. Like, if he's... Like if he went on The Bachelor, I would feel exactly how you feel. Thank you for making the most perfect comparison. This is Max Ehrlich going on The Bachelor. But I don't see it that way.

I don't see it that way. I don't know why. The arc of Dmitri O'Lovato's career and personal life is one of the craziest in modern times. I forgot about the Engaged on the Beach, Max Echleck era. Yeah. I wonder how she thinks about that because she's like very, very happily married now and like super stable. I feel like she's like so grateful that she like her eyes were open before it was too

late. Yeah. Right. I have to imagine. I don't know anything about this situation. But like the vibes were that like he was like a. I mean, maybe his sister's like a toast or something. Oh, please.

I don't know why I had such a negative perception of him as like a usurist grifter. I don't know why. but that's the lasting feeling I was loved with. Those were good times. I agree, like for us. I don't think for Demi. No, no, no. But it all is part of her story

and led her to where she is now, which is a happy married woman. Labato later shared in her documentary Dancing with the Devil that the split was the best thing for her. Okay. Leading to a journey of self-exporation and realization. Everyone says that. Oh, I'm sorry.

And this was like, because I don't know if she still feels this way, leading her to a journey of self-exploration and realizing that she felt too queer to marry a man. But she did marry a man now and she's like very happily married. So I feel like, Demi Lovato was the queen of making documentaries before she like finished her thought.

Her growing up. Like she has four documentaries where it's like, I'm A. And then a documentary being like, I didn't know who I was in that documentary. I'm actually being now. No, and she'll be like I was in all aspects of her life. Like sexuality, love, but personality and family.

Addiction. Yeah. She, California's sober. She did a documentary talking about her recovery and then her next documentary, she was telling us what she was doing in the previous documentary and how she wasn't recovered. And you should have watched that documentary because she was like, you know, not telling the truth. That one is null and void.

Yeah, she, that's where, you know, our celebrity documentary conversation. And I have, like, so much grace for someone on their journey, but, like, don't feel pressure to put out a documentary, like, summing up the experience when, like, the experience is ongoing. Yeah, yeah. You know? Agreed. But you know that watching celebrity documentaries is, like, I need Netflix to come out with a category.

category how you have like, you know, binge-watched Emmy Award-winning celebrity documentaries and put them in order of greatness. There's actually a lot of good things coming to Netflix. There are. Yes. You know the SAG Awards have been rebranded to the Actor Awards and streaming exclusively on Netflix. That's so exciting. Very like dramatic. So I love a rebrand. You guys know. And the SAG Awards have evolved and transformed into the actor awards, which definitely feels like it's like a glow-up. It's much more highbrow. And then they did that like very, for the last couple of years, that very funny segment at the beginning of the awards. But they were like, oh, I am an actor.

So it's been this, like, very thoughtful rebrand, which I appreciate. Um, and this year, they're on Netflix. The actor awards are presented by who, Jackie? Sagastra. Sagastra. This is everything we love. They're live on Netflix this Sunday. And they have a red carpet for the first time ever.

So the theme is totally reimagining like old Hollywood glamour from the 20s and 30s. So I feel like everyone's really going to be showing up. We love when people just like get dressed nicely. No. And when the theme is. is understandable. So true. Executionable.

This is like such an easy theme. And I feel like we're going to be seeing like a lot of soft waves, a lot of side parts, very vintage. It's like the Met Gala. Yeah. Of the West Coast Met Gala. There's a red carpet hosted by Scott Evans and Paige DeSorbo. It's going to be a really fun way to kick off the whole live event.

And then lots to unpack in terms of the actual show. Host. So hard to choose a host, right? Because you want somebody who's very affable who people in the audience, you know, like, they have personal good relationships with the fellow actors. And we have Kristen Bell. I feel like everybody loves Kristen Bell. Inspired choice.

She has that iconic gossip girl voice. So I just think everyone's always excited to hear her talk. She does like really good voice stuff. And I think people in Hollywood, like on a personal level, actually really like her and her husband. And I think they like get along well and have good relationships with each other. And audiences love her. It's true. She has a high cue score.

She has a very IQ score. So this award show is known for its iconic moments, like cast reunion, surprise group appearances. Like they did the iconic Devil Rest Prada reunion. Very emotional speech. I feel like people in the industry really respect getting an actor award. It's like from your peers. And of all the award shows, I feel like, I also like that they're calling it the actor awards because like the statue itself is called the actor.

So like other award shows are named after the actual statue. And I feel like the SAGs like didn't really stand the chance. No. But the actor awards presented by SAG AFSha really sums up what we're here to do. I completely agree. And I think that people in the industry like take it so seriously. And I think it means a lot to them like more so than other awards. So I feel like they've kind of been like a misunderstood.

award show. Do you know what I can relate. Yeah, right. This year they are doing a lifetime achievement to somebody who starred in one of our, like one of the most impactful movies of our life. It's Harrison Ford and I know what you're going to say, you guys love Indiana Jones. No, actually, Harrison Ford inspired this show right here because he started like a very small but important film called Morning Glory. And yeah, he should get a lifetime achievement award for that alone. I named my son after him. So true. That's really cute. I love. of your Harrison Ford. Netflix has a bingo card and a ballot

if you go to ta-um.com, which is great because then it makes, like, the viewing experience very interactive and fun. And I feel like I, at this stage of my life, I'm always looking for events we can all watch together. To be a part of. To be a part of. And the fact that this is on Netflix, so fun, so easy.

I love the theme. I feel like I'm going to make popcorn. You know, that's like so Hollywood. What are you going to put in your popcorn? You know, I love a party mixed popcorn. I know. When I make popcorn at home, I really keep it simple. Like, salt.

Like I actually just like the microwave If I'm going to the theater, like you know I'm throwing M&Ms in there, I'm going heavy on the salt. It's different. When I make it at home, that's when I get crazy because I can use like my healthier swaps. So I feel like, like my unreal's and my Unreels and shatterbunnies. Actors are voting on actors. There's fashion with intention and we have Kristen Bell hosting. So this is not a drill. It's really the most fun award show of the season. And it's something new. I feel like we're always begging like the streamers and Hollywood to like give us new. And this is new and we need to support it. Okay. So it's streaming live only on Netflix. I also love. when we were talking about the streaming awards like Netflix is kind of crushing live. They do a lot of like sports and comedy and now award shows which I love. So the actor awards are presented by Segaftra and they're hosted by Kristen Bell live only on Netflix this Sunday March 1st at 8 p.m Eastern Time. So get seated if maybe she get dressed up like we always looking for an excuse to get

dressed up like an old Hollywood glam. I'll do a side part. You know I did actually a side part old very old Hollywood glam at your wedding. You did. Maybe I should recreate that hair a lot. You should have gone to the actor award. And I wore like a emerald green off the shoulder gown. I'm literally like Brigitte Bardot. I'm excited to see how the stars interpret the theme. Me too. And there's a lot of pressure because this is an easy theme. Like sometimes when the theme is confusing, I'll give grace. I will not be giving grace. No, no, no. We're going to be seated. We're going to be judging outfits and we're filling out our ballot like it's our civic duty. So do not miss the most fun award show of the season. The actor awards presented by Sagafra hosted by Kristen Bell, live only on Netflix. It's this Sunday,

March 1st at 8 p.m. Eastern Time, 5 p.m. Pacific. Just as for everybody who gets to watch award shows on Pacific time. Oh, yeah. They're done at 9 o'clock and you can like watch something else or like have dinner. That's one the only time I ever wish I lived on the West Coast. And those actor words are presented to you by Sagastra. Correct. In case you didn't. And in case you were running, it's Sagafstra, because that was a, that was a paid partnership. Sagastra. I love you. Fifth and final, Traders recap. Fifth and final, Traitors recap. Oh my goodness gracious. Okay. So spoilers here are on forward. Rob won the traitors in an insane way. The whole game came down to Mora from the first roundtable of last night's episode. If she had voted with Tara and Johnny, even to get out Eric,

then Tara and Johnny could have gotten out Rob. I am feeling so conflicted because like, I was getting so mad at Mora. Like all she had to do was make one decent decision for the last like three episodes. There were so many pivotal moments where a decision of hers could have changed the whole game and time after time she just kept disappointing me till the very fucking end. And you know what? Shout out to Tara and Johnny for the first time in the final episode actually having a good idea and just trying to get her to go for Eric. Yeah. She couldn't even do that. No, and it's like she knew Eric was a traitor. There was no doubt in her mind that Eric was a traitor, but she didn't think Rob was one. She didn't think Tara was one. And Tara wasn't, she was unsure about Johnny, not

confirmed. But anyone would have known that Eric was a traitor. He was the only one who was like, you know, behaving oddly. And he wouldn't have made it that far if he was a faithful because he just would have been like a random kill. So at the first round table, banish the person that you know is a traitor. That seems like an easy one. And then let's deal with something else. I can understand why at the end she couldn't pivot from trusting Rob. It's like when you're playing mahjong and you're going with a hand the whole time.

And it's like at the end you realize you might not win that hand. But it's too late to switch. Yeah. You have to rethink everything that you know. Of course. But there was like three votes before that where she could have just made a better decision. And I wanted to shake her and I was like so excited for Rob to tell her that he was a traitor. because I'm like, yeah, you deserve it.

And when I tell you, I felt the total opposite. It was kind of devastating to watch. It was heartbreaking. They also cut the music. Like, you could hear a pin drop. She, like, I actually felt. You saw, like, the light go out of her eyes. And I felt like in that moment,

I felt like this show was like a mean prank. Like, it was just devastating. Like, and I also, like, and she, even at the reunion, she just kept saying, I'm so dumb, I'm so dumb, I'm so dumb. Like, and you can't even. fault Rob, right? Because nobody did anything wrong, right? You get selected as a traitor. And it just makes you feel like, what's the point of the show? Yes, that's exactly how I felt. Like, to someone to be the best liar, I guess when the faithfuls when it feels really good, but like when a

traitor turns on the person that they were closest with, it's like, oh, cool, you just like gave someone trust issues for the rest of their life. Congrats. Yeah. And I guess it would have, it was meaner for Rob to have also banished Eric. Because then more of, really thought that they won. Remember they were hugging in the kitchen. It's going to be us. It's going to be us. So it was us. So like she thought for sure, I don't, like, I guess it was just for the money to banish Eric. Yeah. And Morro was kind of savage, but I'm glad he turned on Eric because he turned on all his other traders. And like he said, would you give $100,000 to someone you met three weeks ago. I would. I'm like, yeah. He's 100. And I agree. I think it was

actually one of the better things he could have done like for his image because this whole time we've been like him being so loyal to this rando after kicking both Lisa and Candace to the curb. It's giving misogyny. But you know what? It's not. It's giving, we're getting down to the wire. need these votes. Yes. He couldn't have turned on Eric, like that vote, it became only up to more. Like, you need every single person was so critical. He's not going to turn on someone whose vote he needs.

That would be bad gameplay. People need to, like, kind of take their emotions out of it. And like, I don't think there was misogyny. No, that's why, like, I don't really fault Rob for any decision he made the entire season because it was always with strategy in mind. So you're mad he was a good player. Well, that's your, but he did nothing wrong. And that's where, yes, the show felt almost.

most pointless. Like he did what he was supposed to do. And like what? The worst thing she did was like trust someone. I mean, I do feel like her time on the show was like so bad for women. Like it was just how easy like a he's cute. He's not Brad Pitt. Like he's just cute. He's a cute guy. He's very good looking. He's not like insanely tall or insanely rich. Like he's just a guy. No, I think he's he's, he's just a guy. Like it's insane how far that got him because that was a huge part of it. And I do feel like she was so close, right? She kept saying, why am I still here? And they kept referencing that she like chooses the wrong man and she gets cheated on all the time.

It's like, put those two things together. You're trusting a man and you're still here. It was right in front of her. And I kind of like was living for Tara and Johnny this last episode. It's like, where was that energy the entire season? I do feel like they played horrifically. And I really appreciate Candice. I know she was saying it at the reunion to like knife Rob, because everyone was like,

Rob, you're so great. Rob, you're so great. Candace is like, well, also you had like some of the worst faithfuls ever. Oh, yeah, you need to go to faithful school. And I appreciated that because, yes, he did play really well, but like, it's easy to play well with like a bunch of idiots. And that's what Candice was saying. But also, it's good.

He played well enough to keep the idiots around until the end and dismiss the smart people. That challenge. Yeah, that's what was so crazy about Mora. She was the last person standing in the entire show. And like that challenge, I feel like was really emblematic of her time there. She got to go on the helicopter. And then because she's like a pretty girl, like she didn't have to jump out. And like what did she do?

Yeah. And the other ones are like shivering. Oh, man. I felt so bad for them. Hypothermia. Yeah. The challenges aren't supposed to get that real. What is this?

Fear factor? It's like, it's like special forces. He's jumping out of a helicopter. That was wild. Why? For what? For what? But that did really, like, I think, help his case.

For being a faithful. Yeah. Because he, like, worked so hard. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It was just, the game was lost when at the first round table. And if, yeah.

If Moore had just, like, gone with the person that she knows is a traitor, Eric, everything else could have, like, sorted itself out. But even then at the fire of truth or whatever, that she banished Tara first when she knew that Tara was not a traitor. Why didn't they banish Eric first? I don't know why. Like that's even weird. Like you know that Tara's not a traitor.

You said that multiple times. Yeah. So why would you banish her? So I feel so conflicted because like I just wanted to shake Mora. I felt like she felt so conflicted. And in those moments of complete confliction, I don't know how to think. You're just like shit the bed. No, she's just like I'm going to do what Rob tells me because that's a plan.

Yeah. So like I was so mad at her, right? And then all of that just like went away. I felt so bad for her at the reunion. She just, like, kept, I think she's, like, so worried that, I mean, like, you see what people on Twitter are saying, like, they're just calling her dumb and stupid. Like, I feel so bad for her. Like, the whole Birkin thing is funny and whatever.

I just, like, I feel like she really regrets during the show. Like, oh, I don't think so. I think she has really big aspirations. Yeah, but did you see that tweet, like, about, like, me when I say I'm not dumb and then it's, like, I'm pretty, like, everyone's being so mean to her. No, I think for her, she has big aspirations. All Press is good press. She's broken into the American market in a huge.

huge way. She's on every single show doing press with her fashion. She wants to be a fashion girl and she wants to be an actress. I don't think she, I mean, yes, it probably hurts to see some of those sweets, but, like, I think she's like tunnel vision. Like, I'm going to be going to the Oscars. And, you know, what she wants to be doing is, like, acting and probably like modeling and, and we, like, she served face. She served looks. She's the most beautiful woman ever. Like, I think the exposure for her was worth the embarrassment. It was so embarrassing. It was so embarrassing. Like I just felt so It was not fun at the end

It was actually like devastating When you see her face Like the light I've never seen emotion display Honestly make her an actress In books when they say like in the light Drain from her face They're like what the fuck does that mean

Watch more at the final round table Oh my God I had chills around my body I wanted to start crying I know I felt like I couldn't breathe I felt so awkward I was like No like it was very emotional Like I didn't expect to like

It was heartbreaking And you also have to remember, like, we're just watching it as a TV show, but like, they have been in this, you know. They've been, like, siloed and very isolated. Isolated, you know, they, and maybe they get their phones at the hotel room, but they go. And everything is so intense trying to, you're, there's a liar amongst us. And it's like, everything that you thought that you knew and, like, you thought you were winning, like, the rug pulled out from under you. Like, I think her face just conveyed completely the shock of that feeling. Just awful.

Yeah. Now, the reunion I really felt like, again, I don't wish. I watched it right after the finale because the finale was so high stakes, right? We were having these intense feelings of, you know, sadness and betrayal. And then the reunion was just like so stupid. Everyone was like laughing. And I mean, it is just a game. But the show the way it's edited, the whole like Scottish Castle and the fire, it's so dramatic that like, I don't know, I just felt like I wasted all my time because the reunion was like so joky. And I don't really feel like I got anything out of the reunion because you can't really be mad at someone. It's a game.

Yeah. But, you know, I think there were a lot of loose ends and like people, say things about other people. And it's fun just to see everyone again and see some of the people that we missed and having them back on our screens and all the drama between the traders. And seeing Donna, when they brought out the traders,

I'm like, why are there five people? They're three traitors. It's Eric, it's Rob. No, it's Rob, Candace and Lisa. So then, like, Donna being there was funny. And of course, like, he had to ask her about Taylor. And you know she wanted to die. I know.

Her face fell. It did. And she was, like, looking to the left and the right, like, she gave her best sort of answer. And I don't think her face fell because like she wants like I think sometimes she doesn't want to say the wrong thing I think because it was like can it just be about me

for three seconds? Oh I felt the complete opposite not that it's like I it's not that I don't want to talk about the thing it's just like you don't want to say the wrong thing like why can't like no I thought it was the opposite I thought it was the opposite but then Colton v. Lisa Rina so that I wanted to wait around to see that and then I did turn it off maybe like five or ten minutes later I feel like Lisa took internet stuff and sort of ran with it but it was the first time we've ever

had to like hear colton talk about that time with cassie so i really appreciate lisa doing that um he said like words and then he also similarly echoed those words he was interviewed in vanity fair i was just reading that which is so crazy and the the i didn't finish get through it but the author it was word fucking salad like i don't even he said he's speaking so generally it was a bad time in his life very similar to what he said on the reunion like no real substance the author was clear very sympathetic towards him, even before, you know, his answers or everything like this was meant to sort of be a redemption. I don't know. When he was in the reunion last night. Did you see him sulking afterwards? Like, after that conversation with Lisa, he was literally like a kid who had had a tantrum. Like, he was sitting on the couch.

Shoulder slumped. He didn't really speak anymore. And eyes, like, diverted. He was so mad. Yeah. But I felt like he did as good of a job as he could have at defending himself. Like, because he's just been like totally dragged through the mud, like his name. But he won't say it. Like even in the Vanity Fair article, he's like, and he said the last day, it must be confusing for people who like saw me on The Bachelor in 2019. And then now to, you know, six years later seeing me here. Well, why don't you talk about what happened in between?

That's not why we're confused. We know you're gay. Nobody cares. Like, yeah. He's just being so vague. Yeah, he is. And what also bothers me is like, and he said in this article that he had an agreement with Peacock that they wouldn't, no one would bring up this stuff.

And like this stuff. like obviously made audience members the entire time just like very like uncomfortable and it's like the elephant in the room and it's it I just like can't help the thing about Sierra like how she was booted from Love Island oh my god I'm cracking up yeah I mean like when like like and they elected to put him on the show yeah so no like knowing I don't think that they thought people really cared that much and it's like sort of in this random but that's why it's just like so phony like it's like what Sierra did versus like what cold where Sierra like said the wrong thing and like felt and apologize online immediately.

At the time. And it's also just like younger and then nobody. And they just completely threw her under the bus for the sake of the audience. But they'll like stand up and knowingly go in with Colton be like we're not going to talk about things, even though we know you did the fucking thing. Yeah, no, giving him that sort of assurance

that it's not going to be brought up. Like who gets that sort of protection? And then they put out that statement about bullying for him. That's weird. And I'm just like, what about Sierra? So true. Like that bothers me. Just like be consistent.

Yeah. If we're not having people who have messed up. Who have scandals. Who have scandals, who have things that the audience is going to sort of like hang on to. If you don't want any of that, then be consistent with that. That's fine.

But like protecting Colton and putting him on the show in the first place. Mind you, what Colton did. I'm sorry, is 10 times worse than what Sierra did. I understand he was going through a hard time. But are we giving grace or we're not giving grace? Yeah. And then putting out a statement, the way the internet came for Sierra.

Jackie, just think about it in the context of this season of traitors. The way the internet, the Cut Magazine wrote an article of Michael Rappaport is ruining traitors. Michael Rappaport is not a criminal. He's just fucking annoying. And now he or he is being profiled in Vanity Fair as some sort of victim. Like it's absurd the sort of grace being given to him by Peacock by Vanity Fair. Like who gets interviewed by Vanity Fair?

Who's he Ronan Farrow? It's insane. Yeah. This is what the author wrote. Throughout our conversation, he addresses some of this in a contrite and careful manner, tripping over words and phrases in a genuine attempt not. to make another misstep. Like that's just so...

Can this girl interview me? It's a man. Oh, of course. I would like to be interviewed. Yeah. No, and I'm all for giving grace honestly, but then let's give grace to everyone. Well, I think Cassie Randolph should be interviewed in fact of fair.

They asked her for a comment and she... No, not in relation to this. She doesn't want to be in that. No, of course, but I mean, like, leave Cassie alone when it comes to Colton. Yeah. And it's like, wait, now she can't watch a season of traders. How annoying for her? I don't think she wants to watch traitors.

Why? girl who can watch TV. She'll catch the next one. Yeah, no, not this season. So, yeah, it's a very bizarre casting. And it's crazy that he had a show coming out on Netflix after all of this happened. That's a bigger to me, you know, that's his own show. This is just being cast on a show where you're meant to be a villain.

No, coming out, Colton, it was widely criticized at the time. But it's always been just like inner. And it's really just like girls standing up for Cassie. Like nobody's taking it seriously until now. And I'm sorry, this is the only type of behavior that a man could do. Like, seriously, we're always canceling people for, like, tweets and shit. This is somebody who actually, like, had a restraining order put against. I'm like, who was in, like, a physical, harmful person to a woman.

And nobody cares. Nobody cares. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the people care. Right, right, right. But anyways, I thought, like, Lisa Rinna, yeah, she was obviously speaking for the internet, but I thought. What did you mean when you said people were doing cocaine in your bathroom?

I think he really handled her because she was obviously, like, just trying to poke. And so it's like, I'm obviously mad. It wasn't a serious question. No, and she was just like wanting to like have a moment. And then he was like, you said, you were going to slip my fucking throat. Like who? Oh, sorry.

And I'm sorry. He handed it to her in that statement. Yeah. And that's what I also said. Everyone like keeps being so sensitive at the round tables and stuff. Like when Michael Rappaport said, you have a secret. Right, right. So stupid.

And it's like you all are talking about killing each other. You literally put Mark Ballas in a coffin and burned it. But like, oh, keeping this. Yeah. So true. It's really, really silly. So the show is just silly and it's like too serious when it's being serious and like

unsurious when it's being unsurious. And it's like, well, how are we supposed to feel about this stupid fucking show? And then when I saw them all get back together yesterday, I think I realized it actually wasn't a good cast. Yeah. But what are we looking for?

I don't know. Because not everyone can be big personality. They need a range. I think it will be good when it's unknowns. Same. The way that they get people out early who, are gamers like Rob C or whatever the guy who called the conga line like I wanted to see like he would have been amazing on the show but we obviously can't get smart people when they don't know each other

and like smart people won't be targeted and people can pretend to be stupid I think that will be really interesting let's dive into Queenie and Weeny our final segment of the week but I'm really excited about so Queenie and Weenie and We do every Friday it's our final segment before we send you off for the weekend we like to take a look back at a glance at the weekend and give out two awards queenie of the week and wean You can go to a person, a place or a thing. You know, for example, today mine will be a concept. Just things that brought us joy this week, things that were Queenie-like. And, of course, things that were weenie-like.

It's not our fault. We're just, like, living in a world of weenies. Let's start with Queenie. So my Queenie of the Week is a concept that I've been hearing a lot about on TikTok, and I took the time this week to actually learn about it. And I realize it's sort of a phrase, a concept that we've needed. Like, you and I talk about this all the time. It's called the Kia Asylum.

Have you heard of it? Mm-mm. Okay. So the Kia Asylum is where, like, pop stars get locked up. And I feel like we're always talking about, you know, people who have had success and, like, sort of, like, fell off or people who, like, just can't get the engine started. It's a lot of girls pop divas, but they're also, there's a men's ward. Why is it called Kia Asylum? I don't know, K-H-I-A.

I don't know why it's called the Kia Asylum. It's like a Twitter meme that has, like, taken it so far. And I just want to say it is the perfect. There's a men's ward. Okay. Can I guess people who are in it? And people who have escaped. Okay.

Tori Kelly's in it. That's a great example of somebody who's had success, like, mainstream, but then never really. got it back, but not for lack of trying. I think Madison Beer is in it. Madison Beer is in. I think Charlie XX has escaped. Who else is an escapey? Charlie, there are two big escapees.

And is Charlie XX one of them? Yes, and there's a third who's actively escaping right now. Okay, okay. Charlie XXX, you're not going to think of it because she's so big. You don't even remember a time when she was in the Kia asylum. No, I feel like I will know. Let me go in my Spotify.

She's so big. I feel like you should just... Let me tell you who it is because you're never going to answer. Hold on. Okay, you could tell me. Sabrina Carpenter. Like she could not get arrested for seven years. Like she's one of the larger escapies.

And her and Charlie like sort of give people hope that there is a bus out, right? Yeah. But the thing is like Charlie went up down up. Sabrina just had a very slow up. There's no. I feel. Yeah, of course. But the path to the key asylum, like everyone has their own.

I think like the core, one of like the founding members of the key asylum who's desperately trying to break out is B.B. Rexa. And she keeps making content now about how she's like actively trying to get out of the Kia asylum. You know who's in the key asylum? And like, Betty Who? She's too niche. She had some drama.

Yeah, but she's not mainstream and like she never was mainstream. No, no, she had like that song. She was set to be the next big thing and then she was put in the asylum. No, who you're thinking of that would have the next big thing and is a permanent resident of the key asylum is Ava Max. That's fine. Yeah. Ava Max, Normani. Dove Cameron.

They think there's hope for Dove, but she's actively like cellmates with BB Rexa. Dove, there is, I think Dove is so talented. I'll always like... The key asylum is not about lack of talent. No, no. But I just feel like she doesn't want to do the mainstream things that it takes to be mainstream successful. She like stays in the art underground world.

Right. Somebody who's having a moment and I think who like the conversation about the key asylum like really became mainstream and she talks about how she's like literally, she's not fully out yet, but like she's chipping away. She's pretty much out. Isara Larson. So she's having a really big comeback moment. It's mostly constricted to TikTok.

That's a thing. It hasn't gone super mainstream yet. Yes. That's a great example. It's a great example. That's a great example. And the men's ward, which like people talk about it, mostly in the context of pop divas. Okay, but no, there's definitely a men's word.

You know, that guy, Khalid. Oh, that's a great one, Khalid. Conan Gray is, like, very much in the Kia Island. I think he's, like, my vibe, right? No, I don't think so. I don't, actually, that's the thing. I don't know a singular Conan Gray song, but he was, like, friends with Taylor Swift briefly. Like, he's famous-ish.

It's crazy. Like, but I've never heard a song of his. Oh, no, he's not in my, like, songs. Okay. Sean Mendes, like, is in the Kiaz Island. By choice. Yeah, kind of. He surrendered.

Jack Harlow. Jack Harlow. Like somebody who was everywhere. And you know what reminded me that something I wanted to talk to you about this is because you know who's a men's prisoner of the Kia asylum who we were just having this conversation with. It's crazy how you could be everywhere all at once. And then nowhere is Lil Nas X.

Mm-hmm. So I thought the concept of the key asylum like needed to be brought to this show because I feel like we're always sort of referencing this thing. And like that's what it is. Yeah. When like it feels like you're an industry plant who's no longer chosen. They've given up on you. because they couldn't plant your rooped strong enough.

Right. Or you're someone that actually was talented that the industry squashed because you're not a plant. Madison beer. No, I don't know what it is for Madison beer. No, but like some people, like maybe even like Betty Hu, whatever.

Like if she won't work with the record, like if she's too, then they won't help her. Oh, someone who's in there who I thought was like a good example because clearly she's successful now, but there is something holding her back. And we talk about this a lot, Tate McCray. Okay. What do you think is holding her back?

she's so TikToky and that's like 80% of it right like if you're crushing it on TikTok you will be everywhere and something about her like has not penetrated past the internet now the internet is very powerful she's a successful person like she has a lot of streams but when it comes to like actual cultural impact like she when we talk about the pop girlies like she ain't there and i've told you why why the music is not good enough it's not she needs to be making supermarket music and it's not it's like if you want to be a major pop to you your music has to be for everyone, whether we know you or not, and, like, you're just playing everywhere. And then I saw a funny clip on TikTok about how Katie Perry, like, is in the Kia asylum.

And she thought dating a prime minister would get her out, but she just brought him in. She thought she would be pardoned. Yeah, but it's like, no, now he's there, too. That's funny. She's, like, too big, actually. Yes. So she might eclipse it only because, like, she has this insane catalog. She's just, like, on house arrest now.

Yes. Yes. She will always have been, like, a major. It can be over for her as the thing. Like, if she wanted it to be. She says it's never really over. No. And yeah, she has a different issue.

Yes, agreed. But she's not being, like, suppressed by the industry. She just has, like, a popularity issue. Yeah. That she did to herself. Correct. Nobody did that except her. Actually, her hairstylist did as her.

Oh, that started it all. No, she, I guess for you. But I think she just like. Bon Appetit. Yeah, she turned people off. Okay. Weenie of the week, like I said, it's someone in this room who wants to guess who it is. I mean, it has to be me.

What are you going to like? Oh, it's, you're wrong. It's you? It's me. I can't believe. When I told that Valentine's Day story, I like decided to protect my husband. And look what that served me. Like I got embarrassed on the internet.

We'll not be happening again. Ben forgot to get me flowers. And don't you fucking forget it. Oh, wow. Like I'm embarrassed that I tried to like protect him and he came over and told the truth. I thought it was nice. I thought it was. I think that was like a very human moment.

A very weeny moment. Okay. Big W. on my forehead. Okay, so we're back to Trashing Ben. Yeah. Oh, do we? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's my name of the week. I love that. Because I actually didn't think anyone was like so weenny and up. Me neither. I don't want to just give it to people like when it's not deserved because that just feels like mean-sparited. I agree. Um, but it's Ben. When in doubt we need like a button, Ben. That's our show, you guys. Thank you so much for listening to the Toast Lennie and Morning Show where we deliver the

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