The Trillionaire Mindset - 54: The First Million Subscribers (w/ Colin and Samir)

Episode Date: October 7, 2022

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All right guys, here's the deal yeah, we got this boat, but we're not the most experienced sailors. That's Seaman. Seaman. Seaman, man, we're not the most experienced. Seaman, we're not gonna lie to you. Yeah, but and so we've been out to see for quite some time now. We haven't seen any sign of life, but we have finally seen our first sign of life. Two hot, two hot singles. I would go as far as to say hunks. Hunks. And, uh, It's a YouTube meet.

Let's see if we can get them on the boat. Yeah, let's, uh, we're bringing out none other than Colin and Samir. Colin and Samir, welcome Colin and Samir to the boat. The permission to come on board, aboard permission granted. All right, great.

Damn, I fucked up my, my words there. Ah, you know, I, I do have a first question as you guys are getting plugged in. Colin, are you kind of a cartoon character guy too? In the sense that you wear like the same shit every day. Oh, oh, oh. Who else is a cartoon character? Me.

I may give off that appearance, but no, I do change a lot. A lot of outfits, yeah. Because I normally, in the colder months, I have a very similar sweatshirt that I wear all the time, and I just thought oh man I should have done that because we both have on light blue pants and then we both have on our blue sweatshirts Wait, so you met this guy for the first time and you just assumed oh he must only wear that I do that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's not how you work, too We are working on our outfits though because we we've spent the last 10 years together,

and we just tend to dress exactly the same, and we show up to work quite often in the exact same outfit. Jesus, really. Yeah, it's bad. I'll be honest, too. I had another outfit planned. It's in the car. He's got his old closet in the car.

What was the other outfit? I was like a black denim jacket with a white shirt underneath, and then some cool car heart style pants. Damn, maybe midway through the show, there's an outfit. There's didn't have enough time. And so this is like, this is my everyday outfit. So I guess maybe you're right actually.

This is like the regular man's outfit. Yeah. I feel like we should have coordinated. I went very, it's, you know, Indian Summer in LA, you guys are ready for fall. Ben is wearing what he always wears. Yeah, I always just wear a T-shirt and pants. Mm, mm. This is a nice shirt though. Fashion, guys. Yeah, I always just wear a t-shirt and pants. Mm.

This is a nice shirt though. Fashion guys. Yeah, what color do you guys think this is? This teal. That's teal, that's teal. Okay, it's objectively teal. Teal? I'll go with teal.

Okay, we had a big discussion before you guys came. This, the amoeu thinks it's green. And everybody else said, no, idiot, that's a blue, a blue or green. It's green. Yeah, which is a blue or green? That's true. Yeah, all right. blue, a blue or green. Yeah, yeah. Which is a blue or green? That's true. Yeah, all right. Well, what's up everybody?

Yeah, hi, hi. Yeah, we weren't sure if we should give you guys a proper, do you want to like, our audience likely knows who you are, but if you want to, I thought YouTube Meat was relatively appropriate. Yeah, hunks of YouTube Meat. Yeah, okay, yeah, you are two hunks. You got great heads of hair, look at the fly, guys.

Yours is so feathery. Yeah, very different heads of hair. Yeah, totally different. I also shampooed last night, so it's a great day. I shampooed this morning. Oh, it's just great. Do you plan your shampoos? Yeah, I have to do it like every third day.

Yeah. Second and third day, because it gets too oily. Right, you have a shampoo to an ages. I do it once a month. Yeah, I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that. Okay, so for people who don't know who we are, we're Colin and Samir.

We've been on YouTube for the past 10 years and a bunch of different iterations. We started our career with a sports channel called The Lacrosse Network. And today we have a channel called Colin and Samir that covers the Creator Economy. We interview some of the top creators in the space. And we talk about the latest news in the space.

I said space twice. And if you want a better, they have a very nice, almost 10 minute video, nine minute video about the story of Colin Simeer. It's true. I feel like it's getting outdated, but it is our story. I like to your guys, I like to your guys on Teraj reference.

You guys are trying to be on Teraj. Yeah, who would you guys be? Would one of you be, what's the main guy's name? Vinny Chase. Vinny Chase. Who would be Vinny Chase? I think Samir would probably be the Vinny. I've always wanted to be the right.

Is that make you E? Uh, maybe more of a turtle. Oh, no, I don't think you're turtle. Who would have me, but I mean E? Like E's very business minded. Yeah, you're not E. Drama? I don't know where that leaves me.

Turtle or the worst one's probably. Or your Billy, the crazy director in his worst one's probably. Or your Billy. What's the crazy director in his underwear? That guy. That's Billy. Oh yeah. Hey, what fucking years is it, my right guy? Sorry, sorry, my mate.

Yeah, well, yeah. Let's say, no, what about TikTok? Oh yeah, yeah. Oh, TikTok. Well, wait, real fast. I don't know where this fits in. It was just something that I wanted to put in the notes. This is how elegant we are with our transitions, but when I first met you at the Junshine

event, because we were all, you know, going over the outline and like, oh, what are we going to talk about? And one thing I was saying to the crew was, when we sat down and spoke for the first time, I found myself in this funny position where I was like, oh, man, I was having a really good conversation with that guy. And I could have just sat there the whole night. But I had that feeling of like, yeah, but this guy probably doesn't want you to talk

you zero out the whole night, but it just leave him alone and find out. I had the exact same anxiety about that. Really? Yeah, I was sitting next to you and I was like, I don't, this is a new relationship. I don't know when we're supposed to end this conversation. Yeah, and I don't understand.

Yeah, my brain very much goes to like, this guy probably wishes you would fuck off. So just like, we're both also though, weirdly early to the party. I want to reference that because we were there. This is Cody's June Shine launch event. He's new flavor. So we're both there. And it's a very sparse room because we're there on time. Yes, which was probably the first part of the mistake. So who initiated the conversation? I think you did. I think I did.

Yeah, it sounds better. Cause we had talked about coming on the show. So I was like, I should probably develop some rapport with you. Yeah, you know. And which was very, us being early was a very non-hell-a thing, I guess, and considering the fact that it was all the way in Malibu. You're early to everything.

Yeah, yeah, just ask my ex-wife. That's like, you know, anyway. Yeah. Or you should, if you had said, come here. Yeah, but I didn't. That's not what we do, by the way. We're not just like going to be like, oh, hey, we just did. We don't do that. Yeah, there's so much more than that. Please like us. Please God. Also, this might embarrass you But it just reminded me the funniest thing that happened that night was you were probably in the bathroom Because you two got you guys were just sitting there talking the whole night and I was walking by and you're like a meal Come here. I was like what's up? And you're like Does everyone think I'm weird

Wait, what What are you talking about? And I was like, no, no one. Was I high? I wasn't high. I wasn't. And then I was just like, you're fine. What was the context?

Why did I? You just called me over. You're like, is everyone think I'm weird? Huh. Maybe I had read a comment that said like, in some Gen Z talk that I don't get like, Ben is out of pocket and I'm like, cool, that's good, right? Or ST, do you guys get, you're both over 30? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you get are you guys over 30? Oh, yeah

Yeah, I think I'm probably the oldest I love the surprise in your voice. Oh, that's great. That's a warm in my heart Yeah, how old are you gonna be 35 and a couple amazing? Yeah, yeah wait. Why what are you? No, no, no, not over the night, but that's great. Look good. Yeah, you look great. Yeah, you guys look great, man. Yeah. Thank God. I'm not 35. That's disgusting. Yeah, it's too.

I agree. I wouldn't do that. I'm going to think I'll find a new home. What was the question though? What type of comments do you get? Oh, just like Gen Z, Lingo. I should even call it that because it's probably, it's not even Gen Z anymore. It's just everybody says it, but like, yeah, I didn't know what out of pocket was at first.

I didn't know what S tier was. S tier is good. That's a good thing. Yeah, and there's 33, man. S tier is top of the tier. Yeah, but why? That's not even the highest letter. Yeah, I don't know. It goes S. No, yeah, it goes S. I mean, superb. Yeah. What is the A stand for? Awesome. Awesome. A. So A is good too. a is good to a is good to yeah, but But as is better than a yeah, this is better than a okay cool So if you like this be sure to comment S tier Please God By the way, can we make that a little bigger? I feel like I'm in the optometrist there we go

It looks like we're we're supposed to connect on New Jersey. I see oh You also played the crops, dude. Yeah, this is a show. Yeah, I got it. A meal in college, I know. Coming up is con and me. Yeah, should we get to it? Just, let's, maybe let's, let's,

let's jump the gun there. That's probably the whole retention strategy of the podcast, you know, like at some point, we'll connect. Someone's sitting at home like, come on, I know you're from Jersey, just, just come find it. Talk about Wawa, Wawa.

Yeah. Do you know Wawa? Of course, come on. Nice. you're pulled from Jersey. Just come find it. You're talking about Wawa. Yeah. Do you know Wawa? Of course, come on. Nice. Even I know Wawa, man. Because we've not even just the Jersey. There were lots of New Jersey. That's true.

That's every Jersey boys. Yeah. Yeah, you're from somewhere else come to Wawa. Do you believe Central Jersey exists? I live in Central Jersey. So, yeah. Whoa. Yeah.

I mean, I'm from Central Jersey. Yeah, me too. Now, but Mom and County. Mercer County. Interesting. Okay. Okay. You're from LA, right? yeah, I mean, I'm from central to now, but mom is County, Mercer County. Interesting. Okay. Okay. You're from LA, right? Yeah. Cool. Where again? Where in LA? Well, because I remember asking you with the Junction thing. I'm from the west side of LA. I grew up in the Pacific Palisades, right?

Oh, wow. Topanga. Very nice. Yeah. Long Beach. That area. Nice. Yeah. 11 Beach cities. Sure. 11. Yeah. Subway. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. See you get it because you guys got Wawa. Yeah. Yeah. You brought it up. Hey, do you think that Central LA exists? I've never seen it. What the fuck did that mean? What is the jury? People from North Jersey say that there's just North and South Jersey. And people from South Jersey say, oh, like, like for me,

when I tell them where I'm from, like, if I tell a South Jersey person, they're like, you're from North Jersey. And if I tell a North Jersey person, they go, you're from South Jersey. Oh, that's, is that happening to you? Yeah, it's just a thing. Yeah. And I go, no, from Central Jersey.

Cool. That is cool, you would know. Yeah, you would, if you, you know. If you understood. Are you a big springsteen guy too? Huge. I mean, there's a photo of him on my wall in my living room framed that I have in my living room

and all my brothers have and my dad has. How do you do that? Yeah. Wow, you guys, whenever I have in my living room and all my brothers have and my dad has. So, yeah. Wow, you guys, whenever I have to take a P break, he pulls up Springsteen and plays Springsteen. And we kind of go into why he's so great. You know, we talk about some... We don't, you do. Oh, yeah.

Because I'm P. But I'm talking to the audience and we're all talking. We're all having a conversation about it. Some great Springsteen performance. Yeah. Usually you play a clip where he's kissing one of his band members. I do like, I really love the pictures of him and Clarence Clemens kissing.

Yeah, I mean, amazing. Yeah, it's the ultimate male friendship. Wow, so that's where the creator economy used to be. Right, right? That's in 1970s and 80s. You got Bruce Springsteen live on stage kissing his guy. And then you got us now on YouTube. Well, we are teasing actually no joke

that we need to hit 50,000 subscribers by the end of the year. And to entice the viewers, we're gonna kiss on screen. How do you guys feel about that? Sure, man. Yeah, that's great. You got to do what you got to do. As a 30 plus year old YouTube creator, you kind of just got to go for it, you know. But let me ask you a question.

Why should people subscribe for the kids? Outside of the kids. They come to the party. They're like, I'm subscribed. I'm here for weekly videos. That's a great question. They should subscribe because we're the only show that is fun about breaking down finance and politics news in a way that's not us news.

Oh, that was nice. That was nice. That was nice. So maybe I should stop shampooing. So maybe we should get into some finance and politics. Oh, yeah. You know, in a fun way though. Yeah. Well, that's what we do. There was a gaping hole in the space. There was, there's a ton of shows about finance and stocks, but their boring is all get out. They just suck. Sure. And even I as a professional licensed day trader,

I don't get any value from those. I just, I fall asleep. They're way too long. They're like two hours of a guy just going over charts and shit. And yeah, and a lot of it's over my head too, because they get into the real nitty gritty technical stuff. And yeah, I find myself talking to him about a lot of the shit, and he doesn't know anything. He's sure big dumb dumb. He's the, he's the good looks of the show. He's just there. And yeah, we, and people seem to really resonate with it. So that's why people should subscribe.

They, they're getting something, they're getting something. You said it better. Yeah, I was, let's go with the meals. I mean, a meal wrong. Just, yeah, we're, yeah, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we nailed it. And then Ben's like, yeah, no, let me just, let me just red line a little bit, note it up. Have you guys seen on Netflix, there's a documentary about the whole game stop, kind of everyone?

Yeah. Have you watched it or not? I haven't watched it. I'm just curious, because I couldn't believe that that was already a movie. Yeah. It feels like that was so recent, like that whole wave during the pandemic.

And it feels like to me, that like that whole wave during the pandemic and it feels like to me That's when everyone got into day trading and even when When buying stocks and the and the meme culture and like the creator space all started to overlap in this Venn diagram and You saw the incredible impact that internet communities could have on the markets and It's actually something that when you zoom out, like what that revealed does seem like a really big deal. I'm curious, your guys experienced with that time

because that's kind of when unfortunately, I got a little bit into, I was like, you know what, no, everybody did. This is exciting. May I? I wasn't even gonna say anything. Oh. Are you okay? Does he make you nervous? Oh, I wasn't even gonna say anything. Oh.

Are you okay? Are you making nervous? No, I don't know. Totally fine. Cause we got in the car after the party and he was like, I really like that guy. But go out of here. Can you just fucking relax? Oh shit, that's next on the exact right now.

Anyway, that's actually how this show came about because Noel would text me and ask me to break it down for him what was going on. And we would also talk shit because there'd be people screenshotting their losses or their gains. And then he said, hey, have you ever thought about doing a finance show? And I was like, hell yeah, where do I sign?

I don't know. Where do I even get started with something like that? But it was equal parts cool and frustrating for me as someone who's been doing it for so long, seeing people with no experience, Dave Portnoy, perfect example. He's just all of a sudden on there, gets in at the very bottom when we just rallied relentlessly and just within a few weeks were back to all time highs and he's doing his live stream every day going, yeah, David A. Trader, stocks only go up. I swear to God, I just made $200,000 in Boeing, oh my fucking God. And that was the promise of that arrow.

Was that it only goes up? Yes. And I can't get into that promise. A lot of people did. As did I. And I wish. It was a promise. I wish that I wish that we had had this back

then because I feel like oh man that was the perfect time to have a show like this and you know better late than never but yeah it's sad to watch people then give back a lot of those gains if they even had gains to begin with and yeah again that's kind of something that I'm hoping to help people avoid because I made all those mistakes early on, penny stocks, and then getting into options and whatnot. But it's good. I'm glad that people on such a massive scale are taking an interest in it. And watching, because back in the day, the only talk online about stocks was relegated to like shitty websites where there's message boards like Yahoo Finance had message boards.

There were one off little websites. He had Twitter a little bit, but there was no central place for coordination like Reddit and like Twitter really being utilized in this way. And it's cool. There is a little bit of like power to the people kind of thing, which is GameStop's, what's their slogan, power to the players. Yeah.

But there are drawbacks because then it doesn't always work. It doesn't continue. You're not going to have AMC is not going to be the next GameStop. Whatever bedbath and beyond is not going to be the next AMC. And it kind of sets, it kind of spoiled everybody, I think. Yeah, I think it also, for everyone who's brand new to it, it created the same sensation as gambling, right? Like, of course, it's like this holy shit feeling.

And like, numbers on a screen, whether it's subscribers on YouTube or dollars in your bank account or stock prices, I feel like we can't really, you can't feel them. I've become numb to seeing numbers on a screen. Big time. There's no tangibility to any of this. So my biggest problem with it was having absolutely zero idea

when you're supposed to pull out. No, we're just talking about those zero ideas. Cause they would get creators, it would be like we bowl and whoever they would be like, do an ad for us and they would, you know, they'd be like, it's as simple as that. I look at the stock, if it seems to be going up, I buy. And then when it seems like it's gonna start going down, I sell.

And it's just like, they were like, oh, it's just, it's that simple. It goes up for a while. And then it's gonna start going down. And you sell before that happens. And they were making, oh, it's just, it's that simple. It goes up for a while and then it's gonna start going down and you sell before that happens and they were making it seem like it was the easiest thing in the world for everyone. Yeah, to figure out. And for a while it was. Everyone thought they were a genius. Not me, man. I was fucking, that's where, excuse me, having too much knowledge really got in my way.

So it was very frustrating seeing people just like, man, I'm just making so much money. I'm like, fuck, I'm not, because I'm trying to trade against you. But the market's just, I had to wait for it like right now as a great trader's market. And I'm fucking, I'm loving it. I don't even want to hear that. I just like, I said, I'm not logging into this anymore.

I'll check on it in 10 years. That's a good attitude to have, because I was like, listen, one of my friends called me one time. I was all stressed out because I was getting into it every day. There was an era where everyone was in it. In the pandemic, there was not much to do. So you were like, we were making YouTube videos and then most of the,

or not most, but there was a ton of YouTube videos where people also made a lot of money covering what was going on. So it was almost like this cycle, right, of like finance as content, and then you could actually interact with it, which is why it was so powerful. Like someone would tell the story of how much money they made or like GameStop,

and then you could just log in to Robin Hood and be like, well, let me just play the game too. And like play into this cycle that was going on, which was really exciting and really interesting and then you lived in the fantasy world of it just keeps going up, right? Yeah, I think for me it was stressing me out on a day-to-day basis and then I would look

and I'd be like, I own two shares of that. Yeah, I think that is like ruined my morning. Oh yeah, that's what my friend. What am I doing? My friend Mike called me and he goes, Dude, are you losing sleep over like a hundred bucks? No. And I was like, yes, yes I am.

And he was like, what the hell are you doing? And I was like, oh, you're right. I got a, this is crazy. I got to get out of this. I got to just like get out of this. See now that makes me feel really good about where I'm at psychologically in my career trajectory because I'm,

and this isn't meant to sound like a brag or anything, but I'll, like over the last month, I had my trading account up to like 120 grand, and then it dropped down to like 30, and then it dropped down to 20, and I was thinking, fuck, god damn it, okay, all right, keep it cool. And then now it's back up to 75, and I'm, I'm. And I'm okay, that's so normal, that's not normal, but deal with it. That's 100 bucks. It's 100 bucks fluctuation.

I'm like, God, I remember those days. Yeah. Because mostly it's not my money. When you weigh rather 100 bucks fluctuation than losing 90 grand. Yes. But are you losing 90 grand? You know what I'm saying?

You have to now go back to whatever you put in and be like, like, that, all of that, that for me, like the volatility of that, I was like, I, I literally, there was one day, I was just like, I only know how to make money the old fashioned way for me, which is like, I'm gonna go make something and work. And someone's gonna pay me.

And that's how I'm gonna make money. Oh, I missed those days. There's a lot of great ways to make money, and I'll stick with those for the rest of, yeah. I feel like you also very easily could have become a man of vices. I am a man of vices. Yeah, you are, but like you're in control.

I have to be, I have to really focus on being in control of my vices. What are your vices? Meaning like, okay, so like very, very simply, right now, the only real vice I have is coffee. And that's it, because my partner is going to be like, the only real vice I have. Drinking, gambling. Yeah, that's good though. Good for you to

copy. That's it. But it's because I know how easy it is for me to slip in devices. I have to fill my time with like other things and get really into something. And that happened with both like crypto and stocks during, yeah, because crypto, I was like, oh, I get, I don't understand stocks, but I get crypto. It's all about branding and storytelling.

I got that, you know, it's like, which one has the best storyline? That's essentially what people are buying into is a story, right? Because at the end of the day, currency is a story. Sure. Right? Yeah. I don't mean to get into this now.

I guess we're here. Well, we landed here. Yeah. Has value because we tell ourselves it has value and it's, yeah. Sorry, I didn't mean to like people. No, but I'm just saying that's what like it's storytelling. Yeah, and that's like the the fundamentals Let me just do my vice real quick But yeah, the the fundamentals of storytelling applied to the the reason we all believe in you know any currency I mean that said you called me frantically yelling about doge

Yeah, and how much money you're making. And then I was like, oh my God, this is crazy. I need to get on the other guy. Like, right now. I don't want to brag, but there's a clue to find the confirmation email for Robin Hood, meanwhile I'm still on the phone with him. And he's like, it's going up, it's going up, it's going up.

Did you buy it at the top? No, I'm just gonna say something real quick. I came a Doge going thousandaire. Fuck yeah. Good for you. And it was dope. And I bought him a birthday gift. And I became a dogecoin thousandaire. Fuck yeah. Good for you. And it was dope. And I bottom up. And I bottom up.

No. Do you still have it? Yes. Fuck. It's gonna come back up. Don't go back up. Here's the rule. For everyone watching, it always goes back.

I can't even say that with a straight face. Yeah. Yeah. Lack of education is like a real problem in there because it was such a exciting vice, but that was like what Colin's saying, like devices that needed control. Like I had these little moments of validation that I was right and right early to, um, I actually, I bought, like I bought Bitcoin in, uh, 2013.

Good for you. Fuck you. Well, yeah, storytelling. Let me finish the story. So I bought it for, um, it was at like $750. Something like that. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it was early, but whenever it was that, whatever year that was, um, I bought, uh, two Bitcoin. And for me, at that time, that was a lot of money. We were making much money as creators. We were just like, you know, doing our production work and, uh, making money here and creators. We were just like, you know, doing our production work and making money here and there.

And I was like, sure, I'll buy a two-bit coin. And it then went down to 500. And I was like, fuck this, I'm out. That was the early sign of me being like, I probably shouldn't be involved in this game at all. But yeah, you didn't hear Hodel, huh? You didn't hear Hodel. Well, that wasn't even a brand at the time.

Right, right. Had that been, you know, a hashtag at that time, maybe I would have, I don't blame you. I would have fucking lost my, you know, so what, you lost like $500, you're like, fuck this. I bought like five bitcoins that,

this shit for nerds. Thousand and they sold them at 1500 and I felt like, Mr. Cool. Yeah. And I thought, I'm not touching this again. I made a little money and then we all know what happened. Right. But I'm glad you said that about feeling, what did you say about?

Like feeling confident and the social media thing because one thing that I've noticed a lot about the rise of social media and the rise of Reddit and everything in the wake of the GameStop stuff and COVID and everybody being at home and everybody getting into the game is, everybody is an expert kind of now and not everybody, but the people,

I'll read a Reddit. Yeah, but now those guys have pivoted. So all those guys who were running TikToks about finance stuff and their portfolio, now they're all fitness guys. They all, it's just all gym stuff. That's funny. Probably.

But I'll read, I'll thank you. Is it real? Look at, yeah, I'll read. Deliver King used to be a beautiful guy. Look at the agenda. It's literally next on the agenda. TikTok finance bros turn into fitness guys. Oh, yeah, there you go.

You see that? There it is. Well, yes, I certainly see that. The right under Ben was nervous about if Samir liked him for June's kick-art. to get the pros turn into fitness guys. Oh yeah, there you go. You see that? There it is. Well, yes, I certainly see that. Yeah. The right under Ben was nervous about if Samira liked him for juice a kick. Do you guys can't see the agenda,

but it's clearly right there. Yeah, shit. But there are, so I'll read a Reddit post that's super lengthy and I'm like, wow, this person really knows what they're talking about. They're really intelligent, holy shit. And then at the very end, it's like, they reveal their position size. And it's like, I've got $2,000 in this position, and I'm 19.

And I'm like, oh, this is just the, I forgot that we're in that, we're still in that age. It's just the next iteration, because I experienced the same thing on the Yahoo Finance message boards, where like, someone, all you have to do is be really good at branding, really good at selling whatever stock that you're pumping and people will believe that you are an authority. People will believe and that's something I wanted to bring up later.

But like for example, just this last weekend, my TikTok was loaded with financial experts who are talking about, did you see anything about Credit Suisse this weekend? Yeah, Credit Suisse is one of the biggest banks in Europe, one of the biggest banks in the world, and their insurance for their defaulting, their credit default swaps, were going up like majorly, which I guess to, it can indicate that they are maybe facing insolvency issues

So everybody's doing the green screen thing where they're like pointing like guys look at this Credit sui's some woman called it credit sui's and I'm like, oh, so you don't know what you're talking about because you can't even say the fucking name of it Right, but credit sui's Credit default swaps are like going through the roof Everything's about to get really fucking bad and then I get like, prepper guys being like, everything's, I'm telling you, within the next two days, you guys better all go to the store and buy stuff and then there's all the nuclear

war stuff and I started to kind of feel it myself. I'm like, oh shit man, maybe I need to start shorting the fuck out of everything as soon as Monday hits. But then Monday morning before the bell, I'm like, wait, I've been in this situation before where if everybody online, especially is talking about doom and gloom and everything's about to fucking crash and tank, it's probably not gonna. And I felt really good, because I'm like, oh yeah, this is where my experience comes into play.

And this is where it's really a hard thing to develop, but just being able to separate yourself from all of that fud, as they call it. And making a wise decision. So I went really long on Monday and yesterday and today. And that's kind of how I saved my account temporarily. By the way, I'm not always on the brink of like losing my shit.

I just had a bad month. But yeah, it was, it was, lay off. No, he's like, he's like, pretty cool. No, you're cool, right? Yeah. Yeah. Me and a matter of party, you'll like him.

Yeah, guys don't think that I'm weird, right? Yeah, I'm not. I don't think I'm too weird. No, I don't look like a big bird. Yeah. I don't look like the human version of Big Bird, you'll like them. You guys don't think that I'm weird, right? I don't think I'm too weird. I don't look like a big bird. I don't look like the human version of Big Bird, the Sesame Street character, because my brother went and said, I had one.

He wants to me all the time. And then when I see my side profile, I'm like, damn, that does look like Big Bird. Fuck. Yeah, okay. Thank you. But anyway, yeah, so that's all I'm trying to say. No, sure, yeah.

The social media can actually be a tool if you're by credit-twist. Yeah, what did you do? What did you say? I bought a bunch of call options on the S&P and on the dream S&P? On the dream S&P. I got some laughs from a new deep creator, yeah.

Oh, sorry, yeah, yeah. Oh, is that the guy? No, they'll get it, your audience will get it. Is that the guy who just reveals his face? This is why he's meeting like you, that's weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dream S&P went over your head and like call option put whatever that was, like flew over. He didn is my smitten like you, yeah, yeah. Like dream SMB, dream SMB went over your head and like call option put, whatever that was, like flew away.

He didn't even say put, you just do that out, that was cool, yeah. Wait, what is the dream SMP? Oh boy. I don't even know if we should. Let someone, I'm gonna say this. What are you saying? 30 or so, I'm not gonna explain it. I'm gonna say this right now, explain it in the comments.

Okay, that's, I think that's a great thing to do, is like, let's make sure your audience who knows about the dream SMP, they're gonna explain it to you in the comments. Okay, that's, I think that's, that's a great thing to do is like, let's, let's make sure your audience who knows about the Dream S&P, they're gonna explain it to you in the audience and you'll be able to understand. And I guess what it is and you don't have to be in the right room. Yeah, okay, you, you guess what the Dream S&P. All right, I will tell you, I will bend, explain it to you guys. So the Dream S&P was a S-M-M-P. M-P, fuck, now I really don't know what it is.

It thought it was S. This is the guy who revealed his face. I already asked that no a meal. It's asked it better than that was right He's so weird That's why I didn't come talk to you that it's just like I can't like I don't want to be a I don't really associate His energy. He just puts off a bad vibe back is starting to sweat. See it's like this kind of stuff Yeah, I forgot you can hear me. Yeah, and we can see it too. Yeah.

Are you this deep in the game as well? I mean, like, are you, you know, waking up and cold sweats about? No, I don't even try to like, like, shorting and longing. I just, I just put money in like index funds. Yeah, because, oh man, I would go, I don't, I don't, I can't, like,

we play a fantasy football game and like on Sunday, I'm like, I'll just check my phone at 11 p.m. because I would just sit there and look all day and go. I mean, we watched, we watched that one game with Zach and Wal-Ede and I had guys in the game because I don't watch football and I was just like, they were like, relax. I was like, this motherfucker, he's fucking my whole shit out. I would, I don't have that. I understand why it's more interesting if you're like betting on sports to watch it, but I just can't get involved. I just can't.

I can't. I can't. Yeah, so okay, because you would have to like the whole betting ring. I don't know if I'm told this story. And this is like not, I guess it's not,

it's just representative of who I am. I was one time at a 7-11, you know about these. Oh yeah, they're an L.A. staple. Yeah, you've heard about this. It's like Wawa. Although I went to UC Santa Cruz. And so I was up in Santa Cruz and went to a 7-Eleven, no, no, by a gatorade or something.

And there's lottery ticket. And I was like, never bought one of those. Let me buy one. And it was a scratch, you go on to the scratch, you know. And I scratched it. It's like a bunch of different ones. And I won five bucks. So you bought five?

Now he's in. That's exactly right. That's exactly how they get you. That's how they get you. Pretty amazing. So then I was like, now I have money to buy five of these. And with five, it five X's my chances of winning the big pot. 250K.

So I bought five. 250K. So I bought five. And then I made zero on those five. So then I spent my five dollars on the next set of lottery tickets. And I went home and I was literally like, wait, this is the thing. This is how they get you. Right. But I'm susceptible to that. So I can't get involved in any of this. Do you guys think that Mr. Beast will eventually come out with his own line of lottery scratchers? Because as you're saying that, I'm like, he, that kind of works.

I could see it in that. I think arguably he already has, right? Like when he launched his, feastables, chocolate bars, like there was like a Willy Wonka golden ticket in all of them and they were scratch off. Like you literally would scratch it off Put the number into the website and see if you won something and I think some of the prizes were money

So like I think you've done it. Yeah, but I don't think he'll do it like Jimmy cares a lot about his fans experiences Yeah, so I don't think he would do it in a way where like that you're buying a chocolate bar Your expectation is you're buying a chocolate bar. Mm-hmm bar. The golden ticket to be in one of his videos is a cherry on top. It's a surprise and delight. That's like additional. But I don't think he would do it just as like a buy this thing for an opportunity. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like you would, you would, you are buying it for the chocolate. You're buying it for the chocolate and then there's an additional layer of gamification on top of it. Yeah. And I think that's, that's what he'll, you know, continue to sit in of like, okay, he launched a burger chain. So, okay, why are people are going to buy burgers, but what would make it a little bit more interesting, right? Right. If the burgers are made by your favorite creators,

if you could show up to the burger location and a creator is there, like he'll add layers to what's already a value to the majority of your fans experience can't be lost, which it would be in a lottery ticket situation. Right. Right. Yeah. Which was, yeah, for fans of the California lottery, it's primarily lost. Yeah.

When it's a bad experience. I only buy, if I, if I have a couple bucks in my wallet and I'm getting gas and they sell lottery tickets, I will buy a couple lottery tickets and I will only buy the California one because you got better odds The mega millions. It's like between one and 72 the numbers California. A lot of it's a one is 45 I'm out of the city told me to do I was doing it for a while my problem is I like I like fantasize and so if I have a lottery ticket And the numbers haven't come out yet yet I'm like walking around going like Okay, well, so I'm gonna do the thing where you wear the mask to go get the check because you don't want people to know And then oh, so you got a fucking I'm like you are

Yeah, and I'm like you're getting lawyers in accountons We're gonna we're setting up trusts. We're figuring this whole thing out and I'm just I can't live like that I don't I don't go there. I like again in college I bought those lot of tickets and all of these little experiences have just reinforced to me that this is not my world at all. Like I don't know if I'll ever make money through investments beyond like handing the money

to someone and saying you invest this in a index fund, which is much more comfortable for me. Yeah. Speaking of Jimmy, is this name? Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, James, James. Yeah, we got, his actual name is Jimmy. We just got big time, so hard. Ben said Mr. Beast and you were like, Jimmy, yeah, my, my intention. We think about Jim. Yeah. We actually call him Jim. My intention was to make you guys feel less than. Well, yeah, succeeded. Yeah. Jim, I saw it turned down this billion dollar offer

to buy, what was it exactly? They offered to buy his, everything, his channel all the time. Like in his company, his whole brand, all this channel. And he said no, because he thinks that he's gonna be bigger than that. Obviously, that's why you would turn down

a billion is because you think that you're gonna be bigger than that, obviously. That's why you would turn to a billion is because you think that you're gonna be worth significantly more. All, I guess, like offer my opinion on what? Why? Because, you know, we've spent a lot of time with him and we, was it, I felt like a year ago we released our like, you know, two hour interview with him.

And one of the most, one of the things I was most interested in was asking him about his relationship with money. And something that was really interesting is that he kind of talked about how he grew up without a relationship to money. They didn't really have much money. So it wasn't like connected very much. He didn't feel like he had a lack of it, but he just didn't have a relationship with it. It was always a tool to unlock experiences. And the more and more time that I spend with him, you know, like, it's not like he has this crazy house. He doesn't have a crazy car. He's like, he said multiple times, not that interested in buying material things. So at a certain point, I think all of us can experience, you make a certain amount of money, and if you're

not interested in buying material things, then what do you use it for? Hunting humans. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. But it's basically just like, I think from my experience with them, what motivates him is the game of YouTube. Sure.

And the desire to create and explore where this platform goes. Meaning like, we haven't seen the numbers that he's pulled on videos, right? We really haven't seen someone regularly get a hundred million views on videos or push into like 250 million views and attract that much of an audience.

And I think right now, I would say that seems to be the most interesting thing to him or even expanding to his you know channels in multiple languages and and doing that. Oh, yeah, so that's so smart. I mean my perspective on him is that he's like a competitive storyteller. Yes Like he looks at what's happening in traditional media and thinks like that's that sucks I could do so much better with that type of budget. And I think he sees YouTube as an opportunity to continue to like push the bounds of what can happen with storytelling.

Yeah. And I don't think that number, like a billion dollars for us feels really crazy, right? Like if someone offered me a billion dollars, I'd be like, I don't even, I don't have like a road map towards that. In my opinion, with all the different businesses he's building, he has a roadmap

himself towards that. So it would be like almost stepping out of the game early and relinquishing control of what he's doing. And I don't think he wants to relinquish control because I think he obviously knows something that a lot of people don't know, a majority of people don't know the way he's built what he's built. Well, I think in the clip he says that it was that, he doesn't want to give up control. And it also sounds like money's not that important to him. That's what I mean.

Money's not, he likes using it to do the things he wants to do but outside of that. I guess I would be curious to hear you guys' answer because I've thought about this a lot recently as like, you know, we went through a lot of years of not making money, like uploading YouTube videos, trying to make it as creatives, but just not making money. And you almost stopped at a certain point. That's right. Yeah. I mean, Colin actually did start like I moved back to these coasts.

Shit. We stopped, but you couldn't see it from the audience's perspective, because it wasn't that long of a period of time. It was like a month. Like, we had made the decision, but we're still releasing content. And then Colin moved back and we got this crazy opportunity with Samsung. And they came in and gave us an annual sponsorship. Oh wow. And that was already, he had already moved to Philadelphia.

And I was in LA and they offered us that. And we kind of were like, oh, shit. Like now. So you guys have decided we're like, oh, shit, like now. So you guys have decided we're not gonna make any more videos. Yeah, you were gone. Yeah, cause we were primarily making money as a production company and we did a couple brand deals, but it was for like $5,000.

And that's just not enough for two guys in LA who are like pushing 30, if not over 30 at the time. And yeah, we just decided like we didn't go into this to be a production company, to make videos for other people. And so, you know, we were friends and had worked together for eight years up to that point, but we were just like, all right, like,

this has been great, but we don't wanna do this anymore. The way we're doing it. So, when our separate ways, he started applying for jobs, I started applying for jobs, moved home. Damn. Yeah. And then it was January of 2020, we got an email from Samsung that was like,

hey, we'll give you a year-long contract for your YouTube channel. It was a shorter project first. We did a shorter project first, and then on the heels of that, it was like, here's a deal for, you know, what would have helped us, we really could go the entire year

just focusing on the YouTube channel. It was like the universe being like, all right, like, I know you've been working on this for five, six years, but if you really want to do it, yeah, here it is. There it is. Stick to it, yeah. Damn, that rocks.

Yeah, it was a cool moment at the time. It was really stressful, because we were kind of like trying to play off that, like, we both still lived in LA and everything was normal, but like, frantically trying to be like, I recall, now you need to move back to LA. You need to. He had moved with his girlfriend in the fall of the year. She had already gotten a job.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was complicated. It was really, and then lockdown happened. Yeah, really like, really complicated. NBA shut down, Tom Hanks got COVID. Yeah. We finally signed the deal in February.

Yeah. And we had like two grand left in our bank account and we used it for tickets for me and my girlfriend and an Airbnb for a month. And some scratch-off. And then at the last was scratch-offs, yeah. As we do. As we do.

So what were you gonna say in relation to that? So what I was gonna say in relation to that, is we went through that time and you know, at that time when you don't have money or capital, money is the biggest problem. It's a massive problem in your life. When you start to come into it, I think one of the things that I've started to evaluate is like how much is enough.

Because when you go from living in like a scarce landscape, right, when you're first starting out anything, you live in like, scarcity mindset. You don't have, especially on YouTube, you're starting out, you don't have enough views, you, you're starting out, you don't have enough views, you don't have enough money, you don't have enough opportunity, you don't have like all this stuff is so scarce. And then as you come into, you know,

things clicking and it working, you live in this world of abundance where every day there's a new opportunity in your inbox and you start having to actually decipher like, what do I say yes to when I say no to? And from a financial perspective, I had to take a step back and be like, okay, I'd like to buy a house

and I'd like to be able to live the current lifestyle I live and I'd like to provide for my family. I don't know what else I need money for. And so then you do the calculation and you're like, okay, that's not like an astronomical amount of money. It's like $3.5 million or something like that. Sure. So I'm curious like if you guys have thought about that of like,

hey, this is enough money for us. Or if it's just kind of like a game or what it is to like make money. I guess understanding as you push into your 30s, what is your desire when it comes to making money? Do you want? Yeah, sure. How much money you guys want? I, my number used to be three million dollars, but then it's three million dollars a year or three million dollars total. Yeah, just like I calculated it out and it's like with three a year or $3 million total. You could just like, I calculated it out and it's like with $3 million the dividends you could earn from that would be a little over 100 grand a year.

And that's perfect. That's all I would need. I just want to live close to the beach, be able to go surfing every day and learn how to cook better and feed myself and maybe pop out a couple kids. Sure. Well, a girl would have to do that I'd have to convince a girl to kiss me first and then That's true. There's some logistical things you can have to take care of you have to solve for that

But now that number is like 5 million because it's because the girl is meant to be because the girl in the other She needs to get a guy to drive so. But and then you know I do really like trading. I love seeing that the rush. Yeah, it's and it's not even a rush so much because that's a bad feeling. You cannot that can become addictive in its own right and then you start making bad decisions. You make a made 50 grand or whatever and then you start to chase that and that's how you lose it and then some. I feel like everything you're talking about

just quickly, it like relates to being a YouTube creator as well or a social media creator who's like chasing the algorithm, right? That validation of like, oh, we did that, that thing and that rewarded us in this way. Oh, I've had, ooh, that gave us 10 million views or a million views and you're like, I've had, ooh, that gave us 10 million views or a million views. And you're like, I want that feeling again. And you almost like overlook what the substances of your content or the substance of the value that you wanted to bring to an audience.

And you just go for that adrenaline rush of like numbers on a screen. It's literally numbers on a screen that are going up, you know? Should we, that seems like a good place to transition to social, or do you want to, sorry, do you want seems like a good place to transition to social or do you want to sorry, do you want to answer how much your number? How much money do you need for your girlfriend? Yeah, the girl to get to kiss you. How much do I have to pay you? Okay, I'll get it.

Motivate me, comment in the comments. How much I need to kiss you. Do not open that door. And then that's what all make. Stick to the dream SMP. All my dream girls. No, I mean, yeah, as long as I can, also we talk about this a lot on the show. Like, you know, these billionaires who like just refused to bow out and it just seems like they're addicted to just getting their dick pushed in every day.

And they're like, no, I'm just like in the game though, I love it. And they'll get asked, why don't you just fucking bow out and let someone else take over and they're like, I just love making stuff, I love creating blah, blah. And I'm like, if I had anything close to what this guy had, you'd never fucking see me again.

Why is he doing this? Just like, I mean, I think Zuckerberg was on Rogan and he was like, it feels like every day I wake up and I'm getting punched in the stomach, and I'm like, what is wrong with you? It's not wrong with you. Yes, stop. So I mean, it's like whatever you have that feeling.

Right. If you're a billionaire and you're like, I wake up and I really enjoy being around this team and building startups and whatever, like sure. It's compulsive. Like fucking, you know, Adam Newman just got 350 million from my people. Unbelievable, yeah. And I'm like, people are like, wow, I can't believe he pulled it off,

blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, why does he wanna do it again? They did podcasts, TV shows, like all the stuff where people are just dunking on them. They're like, this guy's a fucking loser, a fraud. Like, we hate him, look at his weird wife. And you're like, why just fucking leave, man? What is his wife? She's like, I don't know, like a cousin of Gwen of the Poucher or something, and they're like, why just fucking leave, man? But it was his wife.

She's like, I don't know, like a cousin of Gwen of Poucher or something and they were like, she had this weird hippie-dippy idea for her school. Who knows? But like go, you haven't have money. Go buy a plot of Landon Vermont and like, start your weird school. I remember you likened it to,

you already won the game, now you're just spiking the football. But you're not, I love that. I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to leave it. But then they're looking around going, they're like, put me back on the 99 yard line again. I want to see if I can do it. You're like, why? It's a hundred to zero. You won. And so I don't have that in me at all. I'm like, if I get it, you'll never

see me again. I'm going to fucking, you know, I'm going to buy houses for my family. And then we're going to one big house. Everybody lives there together. No, some kind of, I don't know. We'd have to have our own space, but I mean, you get older and you're like, what makes me feel good? And the thing that makes me feel the best is like being around, you know,

not just family, but like friends, and like you start to cherish it more. I, it's a big thing from being from the East Coast, it's hard to be in LA. You realize it's, you know, it's so hard to go to weddings. Like, you get calls from your friends and you're like, does this not connect with you? I think it's time to connect. Yeah, I had the conversation in the brother's morning

and I've had it with them all the time. I think it, and I find it to be really difficult to live here. Oh, it's, it's so, I have these conversations with friends and I'm like, I forget how many kids they have and I'm like, oh shit, I haven't met that one yet. And these are like, you know, people I grew up with, I love them and it's... Same, I feel so removed from that conversation.

And then I get reminded when I get on the phone with them or something and sometimes even my own family. Like I know obviously like my nieces and nephews and stuff but I'm so out of the loop sometimes out here. But even just like, culturally it's so different. Oh, one, I mean, oh, dude. I go back to New York a lot to see friends and stuff And I'm just I mean the people there don't exist here. Yeah, and I

Yeah, so I mean I've just realized how important that is to me to be around the people who just make you feel Like the most to yourself and like oh man, just think money's gonna get people this around you No, but I can fucking get the fuck out of the way. Buy a fucking brownstone in New York and just ride my bike and hear people shout like, ah fuck you, fuck you. You're a financial goal is to exit the Trillian Airport. No, no, no.

Wow, dude, that's how you really feel. I'm just trying to get enough money to get off this fucking show. No, no, no. We were talking about how we just want to like get off the internet. I, that's basically my answer now is, Fucking show. No, I mean, like, we were talking about how we just want to, like, get off the internet. I, that's basically my answer now is, I just want to make enough money so that I don't have to be online anymore.

Okay. Guys, being online is like. It's an amazing story. It kind of, it's exhausting, but I love it. It's the same, like, I love to. I would do this for free. No, this is the coolest thing in the world that I'm so happy to do it.

Honestly, like, this is when I'm, this is the coolest thing in the world and I'm so happy to do it. Honestly, this is when I'm, this is probably when I'm the most happy. When I then have to go back out into the world. I think pretty much every episode we do, there is someone writing on that screen and the fucking show. And I'm like, no, I don't fucking want to. I want to keep doing this.

It's fun. I like hanging out with Ben and trying to make funny things happen. I don't know, to. I want to keep doing this. It's fun. I like hanging out with Ben and like trying to make funny things happen. You know, I don't know. Are you familiar with you know how long Bruce Springsteen's concerts are? Yeah, of course. Well that that's 14 songs as an encore. Yeah, right. Yeah, but so I mean I think in his book he talks about how you know it was like his He didn't want to get off stage because it was like, I know this feels right. Like, I like playing music with my friends and I want to do this for as long as I can. So I'm gonna go until my band members are like,

we gotta get off the fucking stage. And so I'm like, this is good. I know how to do this. But then I go out there and I'm like, I'm level of like subjective happiness or subjective like, enoughness is just so absent from the current conversation because even on YouTube, you know, things are like

gauged by these success metrics of views or subscribers or, you know, I mean, they literally are. You're working towards like, we just crossed a million subscribers and something we wanted to do for a very long time and we get a gold plaque from YouTube, which is awesome. The next plaque you get is 10 million. And we've been talking about this,

I don't have another subscriber aspiration now. I really, just being in someone who made videos on YouTube for a long time and had never crossed this threshold, this is exciting and really fun and something that we wanted to get to. At this point, I really don't have another, like this is enough for me,

from a subscriber perspective. Like this is crazy to me that there was a million people that pressed a button for us. That's crazy. Now I just wanna make sure our videos are providing value and that we're enjoying making the videos. And I think that that conversation sometimes isn't as present in whether it's

the financial conversation or the creator conversation of like, because all of this is somewhat infinite, right? Even like as a creator, you can just always make another video or make a short or make something that's gonna get more views. You could always be adding more subscribers. We haven't seen where this, you know, where the end of the universe is. It's ever expanding.

And so I think that's challenging. I think the most helpful thing is to have the conversation around like what is enough for you. Is this what this podcast is about? No, this is great. Okay, good. Yes. And they love you.

It seems like my wife is a therapist. If you can't tell. Yeah. Is that helpful or is you can't tell, yeah. Is that helpful or is it present more problems? I had to promise her $2 million. So, no, it's incredibly helpful. It's so helpful. It's also the first time that Mr. Beast called me.

I got off the phone and my eyes were lit up and I went downstairs and I looked at my wife and I was like, Mr. Beast just called me. She looked at me and she goes, you know someone named Mr. Beast. And I was like, yes, why come on. Yeah, okay. Yeah, like it's so refreshing that she's not in my world. Oh, that must be so. And it's just more like looking at me and pushing those conversations of like, what about this world makes you happy and just, you know, do that part.

Yeah. And like it's so refreshing that I don't have someone that's, you know, that in the space. Yeah. The thing that she got really like excited about was when we were on how I built this with Guy Ross, because Guy Ross to her is like the celebrity in the household. I don't know if you guys listen to that, but he's like, because Guy Ross to her is like the celebrity in the household. I don't know if you guys listen to that, Joe. But he's like, he's like,

he's like an NPR host and he's fantastic. He's a great interviewer, but like that's like, when that happened, she was like, I don't know, that's the thing. Your world's collated. Yeah, that was like the world's collating moment. Yeah. Speaking of the, you mentioned earlier,

the getting that first like taste that first hit and then trying to kind of replicate it. I wanted to talk a little bit about Vine. Like Vine, that was where I first, that was my first introduction to the internet. I was a little cynic when YouTube first came out. My method, my means of consuming videos and sending them to friends, I don't even remember what it was. Like before YouTube, it was just... E-bombs world. Yeah, random websites are like downloading them and then emailing them to people and I would

make videos and just email them to friends and try to get them to laugh. And then when YouTube came out, I just thought this is stupid. I don't even remember what the fuck. I think it's, I have an older brother who's incredibly cynical, and that rubbed off on me way too much. And I just remember thinking,

yeah, it's like Sam said, it's fucking stupid. And then sometime later, whenever Vine came out, 2013, it was this, I was like, just balls deep in school and college and I just, I hadn't had a creative outlet and I didn't, I lost count at that point. And I was starting to get into Twitter and because Twitter had bought it and then released it. All these people that I followed were doing stuff with it and I got into it. And it wasn't for like a year on it that I would see any kind of success,

but I eventually, you know, I started figuring out, oh, what do people like? But also, what do I like doing? And I like making jokes and making people laugh on there and doing funny shit. And when it started, like there was a kind of algorithm thing going on with it. When it picked up, it was like, oh shit, now I get it. And I didn't know yet how the money might come and it never did with Vine.

But, um, I don't know where the fuck I'm going with this. But it's just- You're talking about like the first rush you get Like posting something and then having feedback. Yeah, and people is a crazy People telling me like I like that thing that you did. Yeah, yeah, yeah dance monkey And I like that. I thought okay cool. You dance you like that and I'll dance for you, baby And I had a couple things that that I did that people really liked and what you do yeah do one of those there was a there was a see if we like it

yeah there was no no everybody's watching do the thing they're just look up my fucking vine compilations are some shit I'm like what type of thing I do and voices talking to you yeah there was one series it's kind of hard to explain I got one I can do it for yeah I could someone sent one of his comp I'd never seen his vine someone sent one He goes like oh you're getting Yeah, yeah 20 minutes just but a parakeet Okay, these are just random Brought to you by a vino a vino it puts the a vino on its skin or it gets the jergans again that's a funny okay you don't need to explain it there's no titles

like oh Jesus Christ yeah yeah okay anyway one of them was I can't hear anything. What's happening? Scary look of them. Let's do it. Do what? Okay. Okay. So anyway, there was one series where I summed up movie plotlines via a fictional or a fictitious character in those movies. Yeah, fictional, thank you.

What did I say, fictional? Fictitious, fictional, fictional, fictional. You make him nervous. Yeah, I'm fine, I'm fine. But that worked and like that really, people really liked that shit. And then when Vine ended, everybody went to YouTube. Some people went to you, Cody being a great example.

Yeah Cody he had no problem just saying okay fucking I'm gonna go start this again and I remember when he crossed like the 5,000 subscriber threshold and I was like damn that's cool. I should get into YouTube but then I thought nah man I'm too late. I'm too late. I'm too late. I'll get it. I'll get it in ten years. I thought, I don't know what I'm 23. There's no future there. Well, I thought, what's my thing going to be? Because until that point, all I knew how to do was mine. The lotion comedy.

You could have done the lotion. So he does a bunch of those. Yeah. They were like fake ads. That was sponsored by Nalgene Waterbottle. The bottle and the... Thanks, man. You're doing great for someone at my thing that I get the vision.

Yeah, that's good. That's fun. I like you for it. I like seeing that thing. But then, okay, so then I had a years without making anything on the internet, aside from like tweeting, just like making stupid jokes, And then a couple years ago, I really like to show a succession. And I was really high. And I was doing a couple impressions of a couple of the characters making myself laugh. And long story short, I made this parody video

where I am all the different characters. And I sum up the first two seasons in it. And it like blew the fuck up on Twitter. No, I'm not fucking YouTube. Someone ripped it and put it on YouTube and it got a million views. And I was like, damn, that sucks. And I just commented and I'm like, hey, this is mine. Can you just put my name in the fucking,

this is the second one. That one, that one. Well, pisses me off, Billiards. Well, pisses me off. Well, I did the third season. I made it twice as long. I incorporated two new characters, and it didn't even get as many views. And I thought that this one was way funnier. But that gave me, when that first one really took off, I was like, oh, I forgot how this feels. This is so good. And nobody was giving me any feedback. It was

just something that was born out of an idea that I had and it made me want to like get into other shit and do more things and then now we're doing this podcast and I want to start doing like longer form stuff but it's yeah it's hard. What's stopping you? It feels like from idea to final product there are so many steps in between. There are. Yes. That's it. That's the, there are.

This thing is, it's hard. There's not a, it's not a time. Yeah, there's like, we can kind of name the people who make up this modern democratic creator landscape. And that's because there's not that many because it's hard, right? It's fucking hard to do this, to have an idea in your head

and then have it play out on video and then figure out how to distribute it. That is a hard thing to do. Like it's incredible to me that it's the most desired job right now amongst young people is to become a creator. Why do you think that is? Because I think actually you take YouTube creator out of it

and it's like fame was always interesting, right? Being an artist, being creative, that was always interesting. We always watched stories in the movies or in plays about people who had done something that everyone respected or people were able to gain notoriety or fame through doing an act. And I think that's always been exciting. And then it became democratic.

So now you're a kid and you're saying, wait a second, I have a phone too. So now you have this belief that it's possible. So to me, it's of a go horse, it's the most desired thing to do because it's possible. But that doesn't mean it's gonna happen. Like there are so many steps in between, I have a phone and an idea and this is my career. There's unbelievable amounts of steps there. And there's that double edge sort of,

it's democratic, which means people can downvote. People can not like it. People can flop. And that I think is also a deterrent for someone like me is like, I don't want to even... They took the down vote, but you can't even see the down votes. Yeah, that's true. And thank you. That's very true. But it's like, oh, if I do this thing, like I followed up with this, I very quickly was like, okay, I got to make something else. So I made

like a Papa John's parody kind of thing. It was right after he went crazy. And I made this parody and I thought it was great. It did not do well, but it still did. But it's still the same trajectory, which is crazy. But like succession to Papa John's is a big jump. It's a totally different thing. It's different thing.

You know, it feels similar and it's still you. Yeah, I'm like, oh, I can do it. You know, it feels similar and it's still you. Yeah, I'm like, oh, I can do it. I'll try a different character. I think you didn't care though that it didn't do well. No, because I liked it. And I thought that that's a good one. That's evolved.

Yeah, that's very evolved. Because I feel like most young people actually want to get into this career because it's a career where you get approval based on your identity or at least the perception of that. Right? So like, yes, there's money in it, but it's also views, subscribers, or whatever is deemed as like approval of an identity of like, oh, this is just you being you,

but 33 or 60,000 or 100,000 people have watched it and said like, yeah, like I'll watch you guys, that's great. So it's much harder to go the inverse way and like have a negative reaction and then still feel like, oh, okay. Yeah. All right.

And it's not even that it was negative. It just was like, it didn't, it was just underwhelming. It was just, you know, because it came, I did it months after it was still topical. There's something Colin said in one of our podcasts recently around like the, we used to think this was the business of self expressionexpression, like monetizing self-expression, but actually, like, when you think about what you did with the succession one, like, probably what the audience wanted was a part three and a part four and a part five, and it's, we talk about the spectrum of artists to distributor. So an artist is someone who has

something inside of them, they want to say it, whether or not we had phones, whether or not we had the internet, there's always been artists, right? Artists want to express something. A distributor is all the way on the other end of the spectrum who's like the studio executive who's making the decision that they want another spider man because it puts butts in seats, right? And as a creator, you actually have to kind of find yourself in the middle of that. You have to think like a distributor of like what you have to empathize with what the audience wants next. But if you hate making it, you're not gonna last. So you also have to have that artistry of like,

I want to express this. So the creators that have lasted the longest are somewhere in the middle there of artists and distributor. They have to be able to think like, what's the next thing that this audience is expecting from me and what do they want? And then you have to see if that overlaps with what I wanna make, right?

You think about like on TikTok, this account to touch an emu. This guy, there was like a drone that went around him and he danced kind of suddenly. Oh yeah, so I love that. Amazing. Yeah. Do you wanna watch him do something different?

Who knows? Probably not. I don't care. Keep doing the dance thing. You know, it's dude. Isn't that kind of depressing though? But that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that's the reality.

It's not the business of self-expression all the time. But I think before all of this, there was, I mean, this all always existed, right? You had to make sure you were giving people what they wanted in some kind of way. Or you didn't. I mean, there were people who were like, I don't care, and they died broke, and then later people found their shit. Whatever. Which is completely also fine. That's the business, or not the business,

but that's just being an artist. But I do think it, you know, I mean, that guy's probably not the best example, but I'm sure there are a lot of people who feel trapped in this thing they got famous for now because the internet blows you up and they're like, I just wanna, I just wanna do something else.

This is a dancing bug. And we'll never get, not only that, it's just like, we'll never get to see it. Or we won't give it a chance because we're like, no, you're that fucking thing. Especially not an artist. In a world of this many creators now, like this much content that I can consume,

the way we're consuming it, and a very rapid pace between shorts and TikTok. We are at this point, I think the scary thing about some of these platforms and how they're building is that we are almost not interested in the creator themselves or interested in the feed, right? The stream of this algorithm getting better and better at knowing what to feed us next. The reason why I like YouTube and YouTube shorts is because then at least the short can lead you into the channel which has an environment of the creator. On TikTok, we always say, like, if you take the top creators and you just take them off

of TikTok, it's still enjoyable because the free you page is enjoyable. So it's not really about the creators, it's about you creating content for their stream and essentially creating like a surface for when someone learns, or when the algorithm learns like, oh, this person really reacts well to cooking videos. You make cooking videos that people watch all the way through. Now it's in. Right. I think that that's just because I agree with you and that is, but is that just our like

old guy perspective? Are there people, like the people who have like 70 million TikTok followers? Are they, let's say they're 19, 20 years old? Are they logging on to TikTok with a completely different objective? Are they viewing them as the personalities that they are? Would their TikTok experience be different

if they were suddenly gone from it? Their favorite creatures. I wonder. Yeah, maybe. I think we've seen a lot of the biggest TikTok creators transition over to YouTube. Similar to Vine, right? Your experience.

Some of the biggest creators today came from Vine, which is so interesting. I think you learn a lot in short form content that can then be applied. You build an audience, you learn a lot, but you have to transition them over to a longer format. Right. Space. Eventually.

Eventually. Because making money on TikTok is not existing. But it's also like you're reducing the depth with the audience like this. If someone, the people who are here beginning to end on every single one of your podcasts, you have an incredible depth with them. They're listening to your voices for longer than they talk to their mom during the week, probably. Sad.

You guys. Call your moms. Call your mom. Call your moms or dads or whoever's alive. Significant other, yeah, your guardian. Your guardian. Call someone. But you're not talking to them for two hours. Yeah, and you guys are doing the show

for sometimes two hours, right? Yeah, between that and like bonus content. Yeah, we are really, yeah. Yeah, some people spend a lot of time with us. Yeah, in their ear, like you're occupying the space between their ears, like in their head, you know? So like your depth of relationship there is way more than a like really catchy,

short form piece of content that I pass by. So do you think, I don't even know how to free? Well, I guess. Wait, can I ask a question? I just said, do you like websites? As we're, as we're like talking about this, I'm curious, how do you guys feel about the, the instant feedback that creators get now,

that like artists get now? In what way? Like, you know, just what you're talking about and you have to be artist and distributor at the same time, you know, do you think that's good for creators or bad for creators? That they immediately are exposed to exactly what people think about it immediately. Or that might not even be the real thought. Like how many times have you sat, listen to an album and you're kind of pasting it,

you're like, I'm sucked. And then you get come back to it two weeks later, you're like, wait, this album is one of my favorite fucking albums. And so like, but you just get, if you are an online creator, you get whatever person that moods in an immediate, like, I hate this. I mean, the amount of...

Emile sounded like shit. Ben is more, you know, willing to interact and stuff, you know, if someone leaves a negative comment or something, he'll be like, because sometimes people are surprisingly negative or what, and he, Ben will be like, whoa, I'm sorry, man, I didn't know we had that effect or whatever. And the person weirdly, like, backs off and is like, oh, I don't even know why I wrote that. I didn't, oh yeah, I don't mean that at all. I love you guys.

And it's, it's, so it's this bizarre thing where as someone creating something, you're like experiencing it with an audience at all times. And not only that, they can then like DM you and be like, I don't like you. And you're like, I'm sorry, I'll change. Tell me what to do. Yeah, I do find real fast. I do find myself sometimes trying to satisfy the most vocal critic.

I liked it when you guys talked more about stocks within. Now you guys banter too much in the first 15 minutes and I'm like, okay, I'm sorry, we will get back to it. And there's just, I mean, if you look at comments versus views, the majority of people are just watching the show and they're not, and I have no idea how they feel. But someone will leave a comment and say, and I'm like, we gotta change the format of the show.

The whole, we're doing something different. I mean, we're susceptible to that. Yeah, of course, sure. Yeah, a major way. Right. I do think one thing that's helped is that we have a Reddit now. Subreddit. I like calling it the Reddit.

Yeah. It sounds more prestigious. I'm working on calling it the subreddit. Anyway, it's technically correct. Yeah. So what happens there is our audience will post something there and then it's like democratically upvoted and if it has a bunch of upvotes and it's at the top,

it's like, oh, that's something that collectively this group of people who's really passionate actually cares about and believes in and agrees with. Whereas on YouTube, one post can just be like, you guys banter too much in the beginning. No one else has even read that in the comments. No one's voted that that's true, but you read it and you're like, all right guys, he must be right.

We need to change that. So I think that's a way where we've been able to actually put our community in one place and have them vote upon things that they're actually passionate about and united on. And you're asking them for that. No, we don't ask. No, we don't ask. They also just post things they like, whatever, like commentary about. I'm going to say that we're tough to hear because I am getting ripped apart on our

Reddit, on the daily. No, no, no, no. I was going to say though, I would, the thing that we are really aggressive about is the definition of who our audience member is and what the value prop is to them. And for us, our audience is made up of aspiring creators, career creators, and people working in the creator industry. Okay, so those are like our three audience buckets

and the value prop is education. They're there to learn about the business of being a creator. So every bit of our show, we try and make sure it's tied back to that value prop. Now, if someone doesn't like the show, and we're doing our best, and we're confident that it's delivering on that value prop for that audience, they might not be a part of our target audience. That's okay.

You know, we're not for everybody. And again, that's, I think, like, the way we are going to build a long-term career is by building depth, by providing that value to that audience, not to just generally provide value to anyone who comes around and is like, I came to this show for comedy. You guys aren't being funny. Like for us we're like, well,

we try our best to be funny at times, but if it's not a part of the educational value of the show, it's going to get removed. So, you're in the wrong place. It's also about the audience that you want to build. That's what I want to banter. Then don't take it out of the answer, because then you'll let us. Let them banter.

We'll set this. She'll guy 420 out there. That's not very chill of you. I think we're in a weird position where I think there's a I think there's a lot of different people who come here for a lot of different reasons and so like but what do you want the reason to be? Well, I mean that's the like if people enjoy the show I just want them to enjoy the show so but like if we had like a hundred trillion or mine said fans I think like at least 50 or 60 would be like they just like hearing me and Ben talk and then there would be like Five guys who are just like fuming that we are not just straight stock talk and I'm like buddy

It's been 53 episodes and we And there's places for you and they're just like And then there's like I don't know maybe like 10 guys who were like Tweeting at Ben like one of us, one of us, one of us, because they think they're the same. And then I don't know, like 30 people who are just who fully like the, you know, finance and politics and comedy. Yeah.

Wait, so that brings me to this question. What's the special, special sauce for longevity we have here in the outline? But like, really though, and it seems like you've kind of answered that in a roundabout way that you find your audience, you do what, first of all, what you want to do. You find the value that the audience is looking for, and you just kind of consistently deliver, right? Yeah, we have this definition that we call content market fit, which is three items. There is what you want to make, what your audience wants to watch and what the algorithm wants. And the reality of being in this career is that all three of

those things have to be checked on. That said, you know, one month from now, we might all of a sudden be like, we don't want to make this show anymore. But the audience wants it and the algorithm likes it. And that's a problem. We have to address that. That's a problem. If any of those get checked off, we have to address it.

If the algorithm's like, I don't want to our interviews anymore. We have to then say, man, we still want to make it. The audience still likes it. How do we adjust now to make sure that this is fitting into making sure that all three of those things are checked on? So I think the creators who have done it, you know, retinolank who we interviewed recently for 15 years have been making together. They're just constantly kind of playing with what works and what they want to do.

And you have to find a balance between those two things. Again, if you find a thing that works, but you don't wanna do it, it's like. Yeah, we have two of those three. We're kind of, we haven't yet gotten into the algorithm part yet. We, and that's where we're kind of, not struggling, but it's like, okay, do we have to tweak anything and try to get into there?

What is it? And we're just kind of hoping that maybe the algorithm, the computer God will say, okay, my sons, we will select you and congratulations you're now in the feeds. I think my problem is that I always wanna do what we wanna do. And I'm not good about thinking about that.

And I think, so I mean, basically I stopped reading YouTube comments because I was like this is painful for me I don't like you know, you know, read them on this episode You're gonna want to know about the dream SMP right? I will read for that. You're gonna read about the dream SMP I read the I read because we have the TMG studios app. I read those because you know, it's fun Those are subscribers and we're like interacting with them and but Yeah, I'm bad at, you know, I want, I want to do what we want to do and then people to enjoy that.

That's obviously a huge, you know, insane thing to say. But, I, Oh, that's not insane at all. Yeah, I wouldn't underscore like the value of originality because I think a lot of creators that we speak with are thinking about how to be better than what's in their genre, but not many people think about how to be original. Yeah.

Right. We're original. There to be original. Yeah, all right. We're original. This is an original, yeah. There's no way, like, yeah. Well, I think, by the way, it is 430. But, just so you know, I'm sorry.

I read that, I was trying to be subtle with it, but I read it. I read it. Okay, cool, yeah. You mean you subreddit. I subreddit. Whoa! Wait, so Mike is falling.

Oh yeah, keep the, keep the arm, the main part of the arm over the wood. I see, I've been leaning back. I hope the camera's been catching up. It's might've been out of focus the whole time. Do we want to talk about Mr. Elon Musk? Because that's something we got to feed that, what did I say, chill dude for 20?

Out there, two. 572. Something to keep in mind. 572 on the calculator. Yeah. Well, I actually got more minds not even on. Do you think some of those like calculator companies from back in the day are still round?

Or do you have taxes? Taxes, taxes, taxes, taxes, instruments, dude, they are publicly traded, they kill it. They kill it? Yeah, you still need one of those if you're in high school. I guess I'm probably. Like a C.I.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D.E.D. school. I guess I'm probably. What is there? What is there? I won't let you use your phone, I would imagine. Yeah, come and think.

I think if you are in high school, I can use the high school calculator vibe right now. Which camera let us know? That one. Okay, cool. Can you Google Texas Instruments stock? I think it's TI, but I think that I want to say that they're like a $20 billion company

or something like that. That's incredible. They pivoted hard. They make that stock. They make weapons now and is that good? By the way, it's just green. By the way. They pivoted hard. They make that stock. They make weapons now. Is that good? By the way, it's just green. By the way, I'm so simple when it comes to something.

Whoa, there are. 153 billion dollar company, and they make 18.34 billion in revenues. Jesus, H. Is it, do they literally just sell calculators? It says they do designing manufacturer conductors and various integrated circuits Fantastic that sounds fantastic. They just did they just did calculators as a side hustle Wow, that's just marked amazing. So Elon Elon yeah, I what is what is your guys is take on him by Twitter? No Elon first said he wanted to buy Twitter and then he said no actually I don't want to buy Twitter and then he said, no, actually, I don't want to buy Twitter. And then he got sued and he said,

actually, I'll settle for the exact amount I said I would buy it for because Elon is a businessman. It's a classic case of no takesy-backsees. I don't know if we've ever seen a settlement for the exact price you offered. Carl Icon, whose last name is similar to mine, but with an eye in front of it. Thank you, yeah. You offered. Carl Icon, whose last name is similar to mine, but with an eye in front of it. Thank you, Ben.

But... After Elon backed out. Guys, that's the value prop of this show. Yeah, there. That's what people sign up and tune in for. Yeah, that's why they're present the subscribe button. But this fucking billionaire guy made like a quick $200 million. He just bought, I guess he probably saw

the red-the-t leaves and figured he's even gonna get forced to buy it or he's gonna do it on his own. So when the stock dropped after he backed out, this guy bought however much, $600 million worth of something. And now, you know, he just made like $200 million. You know what, good for him. Good for him, yeah, that's great.

That's great, man. I'll tell you what, I'm not logging in to open a hood. Yeah, I'm not logging in for 10 years. I still get the tax document emails from them and I'm just like, fuck off. And I had like $11. But so, are you guys big on, do you use Twitter or not? I just wanted to disclose, I do own three shares.

Wait a minute. Twitter? You all, you all want to to make sure everybody knows that. Congratulations, that way. So the buy-out. Why haven't you bought it? I'll get like 150 bucks. Dude, that's huge.

You can get me a gift. I don't think about it. It's a dream. Wait, so that's how it works when you make money by him? Yeah, that's when I make money, I buy him lunch. I never do, but we'll say it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll think about it again.

I don't know. Yeah, this is like, I got the pretty nice gift. This is new for me. What, and I'm, yeah. What kind of gift do you buy? What'd you get me? A getaway? I haven't used it.

He hasn't used it. He's been using it for years. You can like go to a cabin. You can go to a cabin and, yeah. You gotta use it before, you probably lose fire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't even know where the slip is.

Oh, so you don't have it. So it's, I'm sure it's one of those things that's like, it's around the house somewhere. I'm gonna find it in my email and just go. Sure, that's a good idea. Yeah. I, one of the fucking TikTok things that's like, it's around the house somewhere. I'm gonna find it in my email and just go. Sure, that's a good idea. Yeah, I, one of the fucking TikTok things that I get is they will farm stuff from Reddit and there's often like, what are some of the most unethical life hacks? And this person says, if you gift someone a gift card of any kind, keep the number and

just check in on it in a year. And you can check it digitally. And if they haven't used it, just use it. Fantastic. I love that. They probably forgot about it. You might as well use it. Dude, I gave my brother, I gave my brother

a very expensive massage gift card that I'm confident. He has. Wait, you wanna hear a fucked up story? Yeah, let's go do that. No, it wasn't that. No, it wasn't that. And then what, guys, you just interrupted. We're gonna come back to Elon Musk and Twitter. Yeah, let's get into that. Right? No, it wasn't that. And then what, guys, you just interrupted. We're gonna come back to Elon Musk and Twitter.

Yeah, we will get there. Stay tuned and at the end of the show, we're gonna get to a new Jersey connect from Meal and Colin, you guys have been waiting for the last hour and a half for this connect. It's gonna happen. So stay tuned. There's a massage place I go to in LA.

So I've gone like twice. And my mom knew that I went there and I was having neck problems. She got me to for Christmas. And then I had gotten a girlfriend, a gift card there. Oh, a girl. Before we broke up.

A lady. Before we broke up. Oh, okay. And then, and it's weird. when they don't have a good system for putting it in the other person's name. So the one I got, my girlfriend at the time, was in my name and the one my mom got me, wasn't her name.

So I went in there to get a massage and I said, yeah, I should have one for meal, Derosa. They were like, great, you're all good. And then, like, two months later, I get, like, you know, these text messages is like, I can't believe you would use the fucking, like, thing just because we broke up, like blah, blah, blah. And I was like, what the fuck?

I didn't, I didn't use it, like, what are you, and then it was a whole fucking thing. She was calling me. I called the police and I was like, you gotta fix this. Call the police? No, no, no was a whole fucking thing. She was calling me. I called the place and I was like, you gotta fix this, the police. No, no, I called the police. Oh, the police. I was like, you called the police.

I wish you had called the cop. And then so the place was like calling her, like I can't believe we made such a horrible mistake. I'm just gonna say this, I think that was grounds for you to use the massage, though, right? Because that's like an opportunity for her to just get back and touch her. Yeah, like that happened to me.

I think you actually, you like, uh, you know, sorry, to its full of the bridge. Yeah. Too bad. I'm not going to get that massage. That's the amount of times that they have to wrap it up. I didn't know it was going to be like that. You know, but like this is, let's, got it.

Guys, the New Jersey Connect has to come. So let's do the Elon Musk. Yeah. Well, I just thought it was funny. Um, Elon, I don't, I don't, he knows. Here's what I'm rooting for. So people are gonna say, people will wanna leave, cause Elon will tank Twitter,

and I'm rooting for him to tank Twitter, and with the way things are going with Meta, Zuckerberg could tank Instagram, and I'm gonna get my fucking life back. I'm like, I'm gonna go on YouTube. All we have to do is be real then. Yeah, oh, that's it.

Be real, suck. Be real is the do is be real then. Yeah, oh, that's it. Be real sucks. Be real is the app that sends you notification. Love it. Let me tell you something. Be real is boring. And no one's admitting it yet, but it's boring. I had it for a week and all I did was miss the notification. So it was like, you got Ben, you're four hours late

for your be real, you got to do it. And then it'd be like, so and so just posted there's six hours late and I'm like, okay, you know what, you're done. You're done deleting it. Wait, but don't, my phone. Do you know why B-reel is actually good? Because, oh, I mean, it depends, I use it. But I only do it with, it's only close friends.

The only people I accept are friends. And no matter how many times you guys fucking request me, I'm not gonna, we're not gonna be B-reel friends. But the, it's just like, it's literally probably 15 people. But like, what are you putting out into the world? Like tell me like, what's a hit on your big power real? What's one that you're like, you get the notification you're like, this is good.

See, you guys are thinking about it, it's not hits. You're just showing what is being real. I'm just being real, baby. Yeah, but like, give me a hit, that's real. Now see, you're too wrapped up in the, guys wrapped up in the algorithm wrapped up in the out of the you got you I'll tell you what like million subscribe what people get to this guy's head what

people are interesting life more often what people do get a lot is me I've got a lot of comments if you never put your shirt on because I'm off at home a lot and if I'm at home you're posting you don't look sure you're back on no if it comes a nut move I don't say that's like back on no if it comes a nuts And also like him I know that you feel liberated because you can't be judged like that. It's like I got to be real I feel like what am I supposed to do in this room cannot believe we haven't covered Elon Musk Twitter yet We just just continue that yeah, he's just such a he's such a wrap-up soon. Please do not go so long

He just this show is bullying they do wrap up soon. Please do not go so long. He just show his bowl I do this every week. He goes Talking what are the hell are you guys talking? You guys should see this agenda. It's unbelievable. This is a meal's Bruce Bruce brings to the Yeah, this is the For a little go 18 song All right, so the next topic is stocks. Do you trade? Well, we are we already did that you know that that's really trade anymore I thought we were back up to the time. I don't know you saw that just I will wrap it up with this Do you trade? Well, we already did that. You guys are bad. That's really trade anymore.

I thought we were back up to the top. But I don't know if you saw that, just, I will wrap it up with this. Let's wrap it up. Elon Musk said that he's now, he's buying Twitter was the first step toward creating X, the everything app, which is just fucking great.

It's a great idea and I love it. I can't wait to see what X, the everything app is, after he's done sending everyone to Mars. You're going to feel real stupid when it works. Yeah, when I have a million followers on X, you're going to feel. I'm really down on that. When I'm kissing my cat girl robot on Mars on the X app. Jesus, correct.

Here's the thing. I think Twitter is going to substantially change. Yeah, of course. I think a lot of people are gonna leave. It's gonna substantially change because actually right now, like the basis of the platform, if we just take a step back and look at how it runs, it's a, the reason why some of the decisions were made that he didn't agree with is because it needs to be

an ad-safe environment. Like these are all advertising platforms or essentially like television networks and someone coming over the top like him and buying a new product and then you're like, because it needs to be an ad safe environment. Like these are all advertising platforms, we're essentially like television networks. And someone coming over the top, like him, and buying it and privatizing it,

you have no idea what his view of what this should be, looks like, and that's the first people to go are gonna be the advertisers. I mean, imagine a world where he allows like, Andrew Tate, right? It's true, it's true. It's true, so so. Then you have a lot of advertisers who are like,

oh no, we're not gonna agree with that. And then the advertisers, and there's no more pressure, monetary pressure to keep it a certain way, which actually creates some level of rule of law there, right? Which is what people don't want, what Elon Musk and that, that, you know, continue it is like, I don't want rule of law here.

I wanna be able to say anything. But without advertisers, you then, you can't charge the user because his belief then too too is it should be more of like a public good. He's got enough mentality. Like it's utility. It's a talent hall. He's got enough money to make. So then how do you make money?

He wants advertisers pull out. The problem is he doesn't have to make money with it. So that's actually in some way you have to keep it going, right? Like there's a lot of costs. Well now that he's now that it's private, I mean, I guess he's just going to just to bankroll it himself. Yeah, well, his plan is to take it private, fix what's broken, and then take it public again in a couple of years.

And hopefully show, work his Elon genius brain, super human energy magic to turn it around and make it a good looking package that now it's profitable and now they've gotten rid of all the bots and shit and then go public probably for $100 billion, twice for what he bought it for, but I don't see that happening. I think what's strange for me is I just never expected a world where these mega billionaires would start buying companies off of other mega billionaires. Yeah, right?

Where Jack Dorsey is famous. He's a celebrity as a founder. I never thought I would see a robot like Elon Musk would come in, or someone would come in eventually by a Zuckerberg company or something like that. I just wonder if in years and years and years to come, like, does Mr. Beast by YouTube just imagine that. Like, imagine if big creators just buy the platforms,

because Elon's a creator on Twitter, right? He's one of the biggest creators. Just imagine that world where it's like beast tube. Yeah. Does he let Trump back on, or does he not let Trump back on, because he knows Trump's a better tweeter, it's tough. I have a little idea.

Absolutely no idea. Absolutely. He will let him back on. Yeah, I think he said so. All right, anyway. Right. Final thoughts. We should do a segment like like this if you're still with us, you know, thank you Should we go for the last new Jersey connection should we go? There it is ringsteen song. Oh, that's just too hard. Yeah, that's too hard. Yeah, I mean

Let's just talk I mean Rosalina is just like What about Jersey Shore spot where do you go? Oh, man, I've seen. Man, you're not a part of this. Sorry, what? Big ass Berry Park, guy. I mean, just because, obviously, yeah. Right.

And yeah, I used to go, well, it was funny because as Berry Park, it was like, you didn't go there as a kid. And then all of a sudden, it just turned into this like, did you go there as a kid? A little bit. All right, guys, I'm gonna head out. I think our creatures might be there.

I'll see you guys later. We're here Ben. I do have an LA question. What's your favorite freeway? Oh, this is why I'm not gonna stop. It's got to be the socks. The 105, the 105. You guys should leave.

Get out of here. The 105, brand new. It's the newest one we got. We're over here talking about culture. Yes, it was in the movie speed. All you guys have is freeway. And burritos, we have freeway. Get out of here, we're gonna go to 7-11.

Anyway, hey, where can people find you guys? Just search Colin and Samir. And if you're really in to the world of creators, you wanna learn more about that. We also have a newsletter that we send three times a week. It's called The Publish Press. You'll find that also anywhere you search Colin and Samir. But thanks so much for having us guys.

This was great. Oh, thank you. This was really fun. We could have gone longer if some people didn't yeah shut the fuck up Yeah, you guys getting we love you. We know we're on a tight ship over here guys like yeah I'm gonna do our Bruce Springsteen show one time where we actually do three hours or longer Yeah, and we sweat and stuff. You're getting a little hot. Yeah, I'm gonna sweat in here anyway. So long folks. We love you I don't know where to lie. Bye This week on after hours do not suck us all Anyway, so long folks, we love you. I don't know where to lie. Bye.

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