The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret - 11: Good Omens Pt.2 (The Flaming Sword of it All)

Episode Date: February 10, 2020

The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret is a podcast in which your hosts, Joanna Hagan-Young and Francine Carrel, read and recap every book from Sir Terry Pratchett’s Discworld series in chronological order. This week, Part 2 of our recap of “Good Omens”. Helicopter! Deliveries! Our Kevin! A Politeness Event Horizon! Goodies! Baddies! Dancing! A Victorian Child that Drowned in a Bath! Find us on the internet:Instagram: @TheTruthShallMakeYeFretTwitter: @MakeYeFretPodFacebook: @TheTruthShallMakeYeFretEmail: [e-mail] to follow your hosts and their internet doings? Follow Joanna on twitter @joannahagan and follow Francine @francibambi Things we blathered on about:LoinKraken (Wiki)The Kraken, Alfred Lord TennysonThe Old Song, GK ChestertonGardeners Question TimeThe Kitchen CabinetReductio ad Absurdum AngelologyThomas CrapperThe Knight and the Squire, Terry Jones (Goodreads)Pendle Witches(Wiki)Tel Megiddo (Wiki)AlbedoTerry Pratchett - Back in Black (BBC)Music: Chris Collins, indiemusicbox.com

Are we ready? Yes, la, la, la, la, la, la, la. Yes, it hurt my brain. What hurt your brain? Planning episodes because it got to the point where I was planning, I was reading the book to plan this episode, I was writing out this episode plan while also watching the TV show and taking my handwritten notes that it will eventually become an episode plan for that. Right. And I think we had just decided that when we were going to record the first episode, so we sort of had to carry the first and second half of the book and the TV version of the first half of the book all in my brain at once. This is what they call emotional labor. Yeah, so I should have watched episode three by now but life got away from me so I'm

going to be doing episode three tomorrow. Well, episode three and four hopefully and then finishing it off on Wednesday. But as we're not recording Thursday night. Oh yeah, I just want to get through the watching so I can write the episode plan and then I can let my brain have a little holiday from it and also start reading more. Oh yeah. Yeah. Carrying the three different episodes for one book is brainstorm when it gets to the point where I need to start working on the next book when we're not quite done recording or I've still got to listen to episodes yeah. Before we release them for the previous books, my brain definitely starts going a bit. Yeah. Yeah, especially as we're doing two books that have death in them.

But very different deaths. Very well. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I can't imagine discord death being overly excited about the end of the world. No. Sorry. Forgive me. I'll just remember the little bit I forgot to put in. There you go. Awesome. It's all right. It's relevant to what we were saying. Does it involve death? No. Okay. Tengently. Yeah. Tengental death. More of one of Pratchett's ideas that you can see come back later. Oh, right. Tengental death would make a great band name. Like a like mellow metal band. Tengental death. Yeah. Tengent. Well, what? No, no, this is like literally nothing to do with the books or the podcast at all. I just remembered that I had to spend time around the dullest human

alive on Friday and it made me want to stick things in my eyes. He hangs out at the pub quite a lot, but I normally manage to dodge talking to him because you have nothing in common. But I guess he decided it was time to chat to me and he was really drunk. But all he knows how to talk about is metal. And like I've already said multiple times like, yeah, I'm just not really that into metal. Right. Just, just not. And so we were outside and then he was like, so what kind of metal do you like? No metal. I'm not, I'm not into metal. So okay, but like if you had to like, do you like like melodic? And I was like, Jesus. So I guess I like Nightwish. Oh yeah, it isn't Tartaturn and Mading. So do you also like within temptation and looking and started

listening to all these bands? And it's like, what did it have helped if you started talking about Taylor Swift? I think that's what I'm going to do next time. I think I may have to go into full Taylor Swift or maybe I should learn more about kpop and start talking about kpop. If you do, I request formally that you keep it away from me. No, it's fine. I've tried to be into kpop and I just I really wanted to be into kpop for a bit because I love the videos. Yeah, I really love the videos. But I just, no, I'm not into kpop. No, it turns out. I think I like being able to sing along to whatever I'm listening to and I can't really sing along to kpop. Yeah, not without learning Korean or something.

Yeah. And I feel like learning Korean just to be into a music genre is probably not a sensible use of my time. No, I suppose not. Say that I did recently download a song by the popular band, The Teriyaki Boys. No, they did a really bad song for Fast and Furious, Tokyo Drift. Oh, but it's quite entertaining. So I downloaded it to put on in the kitchen, which actually, yeah, no, so I didn't do Taylor Swift, but this guy was like, so what music do you listen to? Which you last download and I was like, uh, Teriyaki Boys, Barbie Girl, Steps. And then he still kept talking to me about metal. That's unfortunate. How did you get, how did you get that I would like metal from me saying I don't like metal?

And recently downloaded a song by The Teriyaki Boys. Yeah. Spelt BIOZ. Said. It's a funny way to spell Teriyaki. That shouldn't be that funny, Francine. And this clearly shows I'm somewhat sleep deprived. All right, probably, probably want to get on with it then. Oh, do you want to make a podcast? I do want to make a podcast. Yeah, let's make a podcast. Hello, and welcome to The Tree Shall Make He Fract, a podcast in which we are reading and recapping every book from Terry Pratchett's Discworld series in chronological order, except. Except today when we're doing something else. We're talking, this is our ineffable episode, part two. Oh, ineffable. It's ineffable that we are talking about good omens. How's that? Are you going to explain to me exactly

what ineffable means later? I'm saving that for the episodes we do on the TV series because I forgot to look it up before I came over today. Cool, cool. Anyway, so we are ineffably discussing good omens. This is part two of our good omens chat. A little chat. Second half of the book today, and then we will be back in your ears next week. So, personally. We'll be re-entering your luggles. Strolling back down your ear canal. Worming along the lobe. Roughing gently on the eardrum and allowing ourselves into your brain with the minimum amount of intrusion. God, this got weird. We'll be back next week to talk about. Bye. That's it. That's the episode. This is now a horror podcast. We lull you into a false sense of security with Terry Pratchett.

Horrify you and run away. No. So, I'm gesturing to the microphone. I can't listen to that. That's why they live. I've been practicing for a poetry gig for a week and it's been cancelled. This is like all of my excess performance energy that has nowhere else to go. Well, we're looking out for accidental iambic pentameter. Oh, it lurks. It lurks in the shadows, along with the catalytic troche tetrameter. Sorry, I'm mentally trying to arrange everything in time. I'm a bit pentameter now because that's one of my fun things. Let's go ahead and do some more of what we're doing. Nice. That's like the podcasting. Oh, right. Yeah. Cool talking. Anyway, spoilers. Major spoilers ahead for Good Omens. All of the book. All of it. Don't listen

if you haven't read it. Yeah, like go listen at least to the audiobook. This is not a good replacement for reading the book. No spoilers. Oh, God. No spoilers for the TV series, which I mean, it makes me the same as the book, but we're going to have a lot of talking about it until we're on it. Yeah, spoilers for the plot of the TV series. But as far as Discord goes, we are avoiding spoiling any major events in Discord books. Yeah. And we are saving all discussion of the Shepherd's Crown until we get there on our lovely journey. On our journey. Our extra disclaimer last week, I was knackered by the end of the episode, so I forgot to check. Did I yuck any yums, do you recall? I think between the two of us, we probably yucked a

yum or two. We're not like a lot. Yeah. So I definitely forgot to go out of my way to yuck a yum. So not many yums will be yucked in the making of this podcast. Yeah, I'm in a much better mood, so. Excellent. I'm in quite a good mood despite eating too much rice. You saw many stuff for large slice of pizza in my face before we began, so let's see if that kicks in. Cool. Do you have anything to follow up on, Francine? Since last week, I don't think so. Sorry. No, it's fine. I forgot to give myself homework. Yeah, I have follow up about Discord, but I think we'll save that. Save that too. Yeah, till we're back on the flatland. I am quite excited for Discord. Do you have any previously on for us? I do. I did do that, though, yeah. Cool. So I think I may have been a

little overly ambitious with this, let's see. Go on, Francine. Previously on, good omens. The world begins, and after a while begins to end. There for the whole process are two supernatural entities, one devilish, one angelic, both suffering from fully justified cases and imposter syndrome. Kicking off the apocalypse, two hit for hell Crowley passes the Antichrist to a scatterbrained satanic nun who packs off the adversary, destroyer of kings, angel of the bottomless pit, great beast that is called dragon prince of this world, father of lies, born of Satan and lord of darkness, Adam for short, to a less than illustrious lifestyle. As Adam grows up in an Enid Blighten book, Enid Blighten book, Crowley and angelic hoarder Azera fail, try and put the brakes on

revelations. The four horse people of the apocalypse stir from anonymity, and two youngsters start moving towards their ancestral destinies. I very much enjoy the pre-production work, but writing clever things is beyond me. Writing clever things for the podcast on top of all the other plays I'm going to play. A tiny bit of follow-up in that the magic shop monologue, now named Deus Ex Magic Shop, is going to be performed. Oh cool, well done. I'm very proud of Deus Ex Magic Shop, I fucking love it. Brilliant. Might put a ticket link in the show notes, showing this self-promotion at all times. I mean, it's literally your show, so. So in this section of the book, Good Omens, we begin on Saturday morning with the international

express driver delivering the crown to pollution, who has taken over from pestilence and the four horse people. Mr Postman then meets death while getting hit by a van, funnily enough, and his delivery is now complete. Oh, so he's already given this order in the last life. Okay, that was at the end. Newton Pulsifer is sent off to Tadfield with his armour of righteousness by Sergeant Shadwell, who pops a pin into the map to show where young Newton has gone. He's gone to investigate an optimal microclimate. We meet Agnes Nutter, witch of the 17th century, and then immediately watch her die by blowing up legend. Hmm. This is Anathema's ancestor, who wrote the book of prophecies. As Newt gets to Tadfield,

a flying saucer turns out, because Adam is starting to manifest his destiny by imagining things. He really believes. He does. And his belief, it turns out, is rather powerful. Newt crashes his car, probably something to do with the flying saucer. The then rescue Newt, and take him to Anathema, who obviously saw this coming, and had bandages at the ready. Adam starts getting very upset about the state of the world after a night of reading magazines, and starts to seem a little bit suspiciously evil, and more of his imaginations manifest, and Atlantis turns up. Newt and Anathema continue to try and figure out where the Antichrist is, as Adam keeps manifesting,

at this point a tree in South Africa grows and destroys a shopping mall, legend. The Kraken rises. Uh, Shadwell's pin in his mat repeatedly starts pinging out, and he decides to set out to get a bit more information. Um, he's also at this point being phoned by both Crowley and Aziraphale. It turns out he is both of their agents on Earth, and they've both tried to send him to Tadfield. Shadwell realizes he needs a bit of cash. Aziraphale has figured out where the Antichrist is. He calls up the Metatron and is told not to stop the apocalypse, because actually they'd rather like war. Metatron is a Transformer? No, that's Megatron. Metatron is the voice of God. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Played by Alan Rickman in Dogma. Uh, Shadwell turns up at Aziraphale to

demand cash from him, and accidentally discorporates him a little bit. We pop over to Crowley's flat, we learn about him screaming at his houseplants. Haster and Lyga, the dukes of Hal turn up. Crowley kills one with holy water and traps the other in an answer phone. Shadwell, now in shock at the power of his finger, goes to Madame Tracy's for a little lie down. Aziraphale's bookshop catches fire. Crowley runs in, manages to grab the book of prophecy. The horse people meet up at a motorway services. We get a brief apocalyptic Adam interlude, because he's now pretty ready to destroy the world. The discorporated Aziraphale travels around the world, popping into an Aboriginal bloke, a Haitian performing voodoo, and an American televangelist. Crowley is heading off to Tadfield,

but the M25 has gone extrabatshit. The four horse people having befriended some other bikers in the Meshway cafe are now riding out also towards Tadfield. The other horse people don't make it very far. Madame Tracy hosts a seance on Aziraphale possesses her. We start getting rains of fish on the M6. We are setting a really good weather forecaster voice, good work. And today, gentle rains of fish on the M6. The four horsemen ride out towards Tadfield, a 30% chance of fish precipitation on the M6. There's a really good watchman joke in there somewhere, but I can't quite manage it. David, do you join us? We go back to Newton and Uthama, who during an earthquake have just done the horizontal fundango. We experienced that. Where's that from? I can't

remember. They're a bit post-coil school. It's gross. They shouldn't have sucked it up. We'll get that. Luckily, Agnes says that they only did it once. Aziraphale, in Madame Tracy's body, convinces Shadwell and Madame Tracy to head to Tadfield. The spare horsemen of the apocalypse crash into the fish rain and die, apart from Scuz, who really wants to tell his dead comrades that his real horseman name is I really hate fish. Crowley bombs it out of London with his car burning and falling apart. Adam comes to and realizes that he's not apocalyptic enough to hurt his friends. So he becomes human, but even more so because, you know, powers manifesting, explains to his friends that they need to stop the apocalypse. Newt works out that him and Uthama really ought

to head to the airbase. Aziraphale makes the scooter fly, heading towards Tadfield. RP Tyler, out walking his dog, directs first the horse people. Aziraphale, Crowley and his burning car and them to the airbase. Everyone infiltrates it around the same time and the horse people go play with computers and start fucking shit up. Newt finally admits to anathema that actually he doesn't really know anything about computers. Adam and his friends face off against the horse people of the apocalypse and win. Beelzebub, who is Lord of the Flies and Metatron, the voice of God, both turn up to yell at Adam for cancelling the apocalypse and we have a lovely little chat about ineffability. Satan almost turns up, but Adam is really rather powerful and somehow his

father, Mr Young, appears instead. The postman comes back, not dead after all, collects the flaming sword, the crown, the scales, etc. Yay. And now it's Sunday. On Sunday, anathema receives a new prophecy book, the sequel, and decides she doesn't want to be a descendant the rest of her life. Aziraphale and Crowley meet up in St James's Park. They head to the Ritz and a nightingale against all odd things in Berkeley Square. Shantwell and Mrs. Madame Tracy agree to settle down. Adam is grounded, but he runs off to have a little chase with Dog and Nick and Apples. Well, he wasn't really breaking the rules, was he? Because what else was he supposed to do? Dog got through the hedge, you had to chase after him and then just happened to be a circus

at the end of that road. Yeah. And Apples to Scrump. And Apples to Scrump. I love the word Scrump. So yeah, so that's what happened in this section of the book, which is the second half of it. I was going to say apocalyptic interlude, possibly the best metal band name we've come up with so far, not to say. So, helicopter and loincloth check-in. Yes. Helicopter. Oh, good grief. Isn't mentioned. Oh yeah, all right. Well done. That's paid off finally. Hey, we're only on our fourth book. Yeah. So you know. Yeah, I get it. It seems a lot longer, doesn't it? And we've only done three Discworld books so far. It's just spending time with me. It feels like an English, doesn't it? In a nice way. Thanks for having seen. So on page 253, we get a lovely footnote about

Crowley chatting away to Leonardo da Vinci. Leonardo asks Crowley, anyway, explain this helicopter thing again, will you? There's helicopters later as well. They are briefly mentioned in reference to how hot it is above the M25. Oh, yes, and the helicopters are melting. Yeah. Yeah, we get two helicopters. See, it was totally worth having helicopter slash loincloth watch as a regular feature. No loincloths, saffron robes, but saffron robes from the burrowing Tibetans. Toga's, I assume, on the Atlanteans. Yeah, probably. I mean, a toga's like a very big loincloth, in that it is a cloth covering one's loins, among other things. Fun fact, loin is actually lower back. What is it? Yeah, if you think with your chef brain. Yeah, okay. Yeah.

All right, that's where you get loin fillets from, but I've still always thought of girding my loins as being. Yeah. Oh, to gird one's loins. That's to do with like putting on a, yeah, like a battle skirt or something. There was a meme going around, I don't remember. Yeah, it was something to do with how you'd tuck up a toga to turn into like a sensible pair of shorts. Hey, we're back on toga. Hey, excellent. Which are big loincloths. Yes. Okay, no, do you know what? I'm not, I'm not going to argue with you on that because I found it pleasing. Yes, I like the thought of a toga being a big loincloth. Quotes. When the International Express Guy is delivering a message to death and then obviously dies, death says to him, don't think of it as

dying, just think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush. And I don't know, that line makes me very sad, but it's also very sweet. It is. Well, it's been so heavily associated with Pratchett since his death, I think. Yeah, because it's possibly his most succinct quote on death. Yeah. Of course, there's no guarantee he actually wrote it considering it's in a book he co-wrote. I mean, you probably did write that line. I would be really surprised if he hadn't. Yeah, I would assume he wrote quite a bit of death's material. Yeah. Okay, yeah, one more quickly. When we have the Seon, Madame Tracey's Seonce, which is obviously Madame Tracey is making all of this up. She's talking about Beryl, who regularly comes to the Seonce to talk to her

husband, Ron. And there's a little example of how Beryl goes on. Oh, do read this one actually, because I love this so much. Now, Ron, you remember R.R.Rick's little list, Sibyla, where you wouldn't recognise her now. She's taken up macrame and Arla Laetitia, you know, our Karen's oldest. She's become a lesbian, but that's all right these days. And it's doing a dissertation on the films of Sergio Leone, as seen from a feminist perspective. And our Stan, you know, our Sandra's twin, I told you about him last time. Well, he won the Darkspot tournament, which is nice, because we all thought he was a bit of a mother's bae. Well, the guttering over the sheds come loose, but I spoke to our Cindy's latest, who's a

jobbing builder, and he'll be able to see it on Sunday. And oh, that reminds me. And I love it so much. It's a bit like we were talking last week about the International Express guy and how he just continually mutters into his inner room. And that is a skill that certain people have of doing these long run-on sentences. But A, it's a really funny thing, especially when you throw something in the middle like she's a lesbian, but that's all right now. He's doing a dissertation on films. But it's a game that I sort of play as a little improv thing with theatre bodies a lot, where we want to become our Kevin talking about our Sandra and how she said something to our Tina at that christening. And it's all right because, well,

you know, Marie, her boyfriend Arthur said something to our Kevin about it, but we're not going to talk about that because really, we've got some suspicions about our Marie's boyfriend. And we don't really know, you know, what he's like. I mean, I wouldn't say anything, but we think he puts his toast in the wheelie bin if you know what I mean. And you just, you keep doing it and you see how long you can go for. And it's just how many names you can think of on the spot, really, and how many relationships you can think of. Um, cool. Good. My favorite quote. It is right near the end. So it's after everybody's been kind of magicked back to where Adam thinks they should be. And there's a Sergeant Thomas, a Dysenberger

who was guarding the American Air Base right near the end. I love this book. And apparently Adam quite liked him after all because he's been sent home and says Sergeant Thomas, a Dysenberger, opened his eyes. The only thing strange about his surroundings was how familiar they were. He describes his back in his childhood bedroom. He walked downstairs. His mother was at the stove, taking a huge apple pie out of the oven to cool. Hi, Tommy. She said, I thought you was in England. Should I try and do the accent? Oh, go on. Um, hello. I don't know. I can't. Sorry. Hi, Tommy. She said, I thought you was in England. Yes, mom, I am normatively in England, mom, protecting democratism, mom, sir, said Sergeant Thomas, a Dysenberger. That's nice,

huh? Said his mother, your poppers down in the big field with Chester and Ted. They'll be pleased to see you. Sergeant Thomas, a Dysenberger, nodded. He took off his military issue helmet and his military issue jacket. And he rolled up his military issue shirt sleeves. For a moment, he looked more thoughtful than he had ever done in his life. Part of his thoughts were pre-occurred with apple pie. Mom, if any throughput eventuates promising to interface with Sergeant Thomas, a Dysenberger, telephonically, mom, sir, this individual will be, sorry, Tommy, Tom Dysenberger, hung his gun along above his father's battered old rifle. I said, if anyone calls mom, I'll be down in the big field with pop and Chester and Ted.

I love that page so much. That's a good bit of writing. Just this, this slow but fast shedding of the military in this case and skin and just the bullshit that goes with it and hanging his rifle above his dad's old battered rifle. It's when it goes from describing a Sergeant Thomas A Dysenberger to Tom Dysenberger. No, I really love that bit too. It's really, yeah, just, so characters, characters for me other than Thomas A Dysenberger who I do have a soft spot for because of that page. Yeah. So we kind of decided we wouldn't talk about Newt last week because he's introduced right at the end of that section, but I nearly forgot to put him in this bit because okay, his character's not even that bad. I think I've just irrationally started hating.

I was going to ask, can you, I know it's so hard to bring up past feelings after you've changed them, but do you remember, did you dislike him this much before Jack Whitehall? I know, I think part of it is Jack Whitehall. Yeah. I think part of it is definitely Jack Whitehall because I feel like you'd have mentioned it to me before if you hated him. The thing is, I didn't hate him. I don't hate him now. No. I didn't hate him before, but I never felt particularly strongly because he is a very bland character, like intentional or so. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure I call him bland. Okay, maybe not bland. I think he's got quite an interesting sense of self when he gets to it, and by the end of this section, he's gone on, I know, I really hate to say it, he's gone on an

interesting journey. Yeah. So do you know, I'm not going to argue with you properly till we get there. Yeah. Sweet Newt, near the end of the book, where he is pottering about making the line about breakfasting on sweet and black coffee in an unfamiliar kitchen, because we've both done that. We've definitely both done that, like at house parties and things, so we've woken up the next morning and sort of gone on the coffee. So end of book Newt, where he's pottering around the kitchen and where he tries to give anathema the choice and say, do you want this second book of prophecy? Do you want to be a descendant for the rest of your life? Do you know what that annoyed me? That's the only bit of him that really annoyed me that bit. Oh, see, I don't think he didn't tell

us straight away that it was that. Oh, yeah, no, you do make a good point. See, I kind of, I forgot about the bit where he doesn't tell her because she does come down and see it. Yeah. Yeah, the bit where he considers not telling her I really don't like. But then again, he didn't do it, and we've all had stupid thoughts. Yeah. And considering like he's just had to experience trying to call this woman with the tackling, I can actually see his motivation there. And I like that he is trying to maybe remind anathema she's got a choice. I think he's quite sweet there. But I think mainly annoyed me because I wanted her to open it and I wanted to read more. That's not a weirdness. Well, I feel like because originally they talked about writing a sequel at some point and bits of

what would have been in the sequel became part of the TV series. So I feel like if a sequel had happened, it would have involved that book. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe in someone else's hands. Yeah. So I don't massively dislike you, but I think Jack Whitehall playing him definitely hasn't helped. Yeah. Because I don't even hate Jack Whitehall. I just find it, he just really irks me. Yeah, we'll get to that next episode. Yeah, okay, fine. Introduce his car instead. We'll go on to. Oh, yeah. So his car's called Dick Tappen and it took me so long to get the joke. I forgot. Do you know, every time I read this, I forget the joke and I'm honest to God, forgotten it again. It holds up traffic. Oh, yeah. Like that's literally it's not that funny a joke.

I do like that his car's Dick Tappen and I like the description of the car as the one day between Japanese engineering being terrible and amazing. Well, second choice for my favorite quote was going to be the haikus that the cast started talking in at the end. Oh, yes, when it gets healed. Yeah. No, I do like the little haikus. Okay, we meet Agnes Nutter. Yeah, I love her. Best, best character. Excellent character. So this is obviously we're became aware of her in the last section that she wrote the nice and accurate prophecies of Agnes Nutter, which is good. It'd be weird if someone else wrote the nice and accurate prophecies of Agnes Nutter. And she predicted her own death, which is at a witch trial. Newt's great, great, great, great,

grandfather, Elshantlot committed adultery, Pulsifer. I love her line when the mob turned out for her and she says, well, I should have been lit 10 minutes ago. Yes. And then like the oldie English. The blowing up the entire village by knowing she was going to be burned at the stake, so filling her skirts with gunpowder and nails. That is hardcore and I love it. Yeah, I mean, she did kill a lot of people and they weren't necessarily all evil. But also. They were all evil enough for me to take during this. She also left a note cancelling the milk, which was quite nice of her to be conscientious at the time of her death. So I guess the milkman lived a while away. Yeah, probably. Well, he probably

lived on the farm with his coos. With his coos. Coos. Kraken. Kraken. Yeah. Okay. This is really a character. Hey, well, in that, you know, it doesn't have any lines. So when Adam is manifesting the end of the world, one of the harbingers of the apocalypse is the Kraken. So we get this really, really nice slow burn where they're just on a boat and they're not sure what's happening to the ocean floor. And it's gotten way too deep. And then suddenly rises very rapidly. But it refers to the Tennyson power about the Kraken. Do you want to hear it? Yes, I do, please. Beneath the Thunders of the Upper Deep. There's a Xerophil and Tennyson both new. And I like the thought that, I mean, obviously, a Xerophil reads interesting poetry and things.

You probably need Tennyson. Yeah. I mean, that's the, I don't really wish I could necessarily have lived through all of human history, but it would have been nice to meet some of the poets. Although I make bad life choices and would have probably slept with Byron and Gotsephalus. Like, just knowing me. Do you think angelic beings can get so close? Well, they don't have genitals. That's mentioned at some point in the book. Unless they try really hard at all. Unless they try really hard. I'm not sure Byron would be worth it. So yes, this is the Tennyson poem. Beneath the Thunders of the Upper Deep. Far, far beneath in the abysmal sea. His ancient, dreamless, uninvaded sleep, the Kraken sleepeth. Faintest sunlights flee about

his shadowy sides. Above him swell, huge sponges of millennial growth and height. And far away into the sickly light, from many a wondrous grot and secret cell, unnumbered and enormous polyphyre window with giant arms across the slumbering green. There hath he lain for ages, and will lie, battening upon huge seamworms in his sleep, until the latter fire shall heep the deep, then once by man and angels to be seen. In roaring, he shall rise, and on the surface die. Glad to live your sex, Tenn. I can't believe I prepared that dramatic reading and that's what I got afterwards.

I didn't know how to respond to that in an appropriate manner. I don't know. I just think it's a cool poem. It is a really cool poem. It's really massive. I really like the phrase Wondrous Grot. I love Wondrous Grot and secret cell, unnumbered and enormous polyphyre. Enormous polyphyre and millennial growth. So yes, I enjoy that and I like that there was a reference to it because it gave me

excuse to look up the poem. But I haven't read a lot of Tennyson. Um, I did as a teenager and I haven't really gone back since. So. Oh, so you were really into Shelly as a teenager? Oh, that thing. And wearing billowy shirts and wandering around looking a bit consumptive. Anyway, so we meet the Kraken.

We meet Madame Tracy probably in this. Yeah. Again, she gets a bit of an intro in the last section, but she does a lot more to do here. I really like Madame Tracy. Yeah. And again, I don't know if it's got something to do with the casting for the show and that I like the actor playing her,

but I genuinely have always really liked the character. The face on the show? Miranda Richardson, who was Queenie in Blackadder. Who's Queen? Who's Queen? Oh, do it, do it. You do it again. Is her nose as pretty as mine?

Good. Because if it was, I would have had to cut it off. And that wouldn't have been very nice, would it? Imagine the mess when she got a cold. Yuck! You got into it as it went along there. I also like Madame Tracy because I think it's a really sympathetic and non-judgmental portrayal of sex work.

And of an older woman having a relationship to her sexuality that isn't... It's funny because she's not sexy. Yeah. Yeah. We like the fact that she also, after a little bit of anger. Anger. Anger. Anger.

Kind of comes to terms with the fact she's hosting an angle for it. Yeah, she's very... The fact that she realizes he's in there and sits down and makes two cups of tea. Yeah, that's very sweet. I think that's a... She's very calm and very accepting. And because she's got this bollock science business, the fact that she sort of accepts,

oh, this is what's real. And this is the real version of having sciences. I mean, I love the whole science bit. We've already done the quote from it. But the fact that she... It sort of implies she does have some occult knowledge. Yeah. But the main occult knowledge she has is that people don't really want a lot of occult,

so she doesn't bother with it. Hedality, innit? Yeah. I'm going to jump to the next group of characters we introduced, which is Greaser, Pigbug, Scuzz and Big Ted. Nice. The spare horseman of the apocalypse or other horsemen. Groovy is bodily harm, embarrassing personal problems,

cruelty to animals, it's not allowed to be answer phones, things not working properly even after you've thumped them, really cool people, no alcohol lager, and eventually lots of fish. So what's yours? Oh, I don't know. Not Lesser, well, evil. You're going to ride out and come Revelations. Oh, see, I hadn't thought about this.

I do not. No. That surprises me. I think mine is printers. That's good, actually. Cars that drive exuberantly through large puddles at the side of the road. Yes, that's a good one. Yeah.

Okay, so it's death, pestilence, famine, oh sorry, death pollution, famine. War, famine, war. Printers, cars that drive exuberantly through puddles at the side of the road. Yeah. Okay, cool, yeah. Let's go. I think we've got us an apocalypse. We don't have horses or motorbikes.

I've got a bicycle in the shed. Well, yes. We'll just gently start. Stopping time does decrease. Yeah, we'll gently start into a large pile of fish. We could probably cycle a little. I mean, what's the correct sound effect for that, like if we're doing comic book effects?

Swap, swap. Yeah, good. God, I love the word. Swap, a damp swap. Ooh, a damp swap. Darling, we meet R.P. Tyler with, as a bit of comedy, describing that slightly older man walking his poodle who lives in a village and is a part of the residence association and writes letters to the editor of the local newspaper.

But my favorite bit of him is because he just hits a certain point of politeness where even though he's appalled at the bike, he gives them directions. Like the politeness event horizon. Yes. And he gets to Crowley whose car is on fire, and he's mentally composing all of these letters to the editor. And he just sort of runs out of this evening. I was asked for directions, but I don't think his car was dot, dot, dot, no.

Driving a car that dot, dot, dot, no. It was on fire, dot, dot, dot. And he just stomps home with a grump. We meet Satan, who very quickly becomes Mr. Young. Excellent representation of Satan. I'll have more to say about Satan when we talk about the TV series, to be honest. And I think that's the last new character we write apart from, I was going to talk about Sergeant Dysonberger, but you did that beautifully already.

I also really like the idea that heaven is an antagonist. Almost more so than hell. I'm just trying to find, because it's a plot twist moment, because Azir Afal goes to the Metatron and said, well, I found him, we can stop the apocalypse. And the Metatron says, yeah, the point isn't to stop it. The point is to win it. Yeah, I'm not sure.

Like, it is a plot twist and it's confirmed, but he has been slowly coming to that suspicion from... Yeah, it's built up throughout the book. And that's why he's put off telling them anything. And he wasn't really sure, and he was kind of working with Crowley. So yeah, so maybe it's not the best plot twist in the world, but I think it's a very well-written plot twist. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it's something, again, we were talking about last week, and it was an interesting follow-up, that this book is not heaven equals good, and hell equals bad, and it's very much about shades of grey and people being in the middle and being people. But I like that interaction between Azir Afal and the Metatron. It's a big confirmation of we're not rooting for heaven here, guys. And for what it means for Azir Afal, because he was more attached to heaven than Crowley was to hell.

So it's, I think, almost a more of a rejection for him. It reminds me of things like, I don't know, it seems to be a story that plays out again. Like, World War I reminds me a little bit of, there was no goodies and baddies as such. It was just these big world powers fighting each other, and a bunch of fucking people died. Yeah, a bunch of people were a cannon fodder.

And then on the other end of the serious scale, the penultimate season of Orange is the New Black. When the two sisters have been fighting this endless war. Oh yeah, so you got what the actual foreword was referring to, which I did not. I did, yeah. And I'm leaping from topic to topic today. Yeah, absolutely.

So the next bit is on page 283 in my edition. Yeah, so this is what the dedication to the memory of GK Chestin, a man who knew what was going on. Sorry, so yeah, so Crowley's looking at the sky, which is all fucky because apocalypse. And he thinks to himself, a livid sky on London, and I knew the end was near. Who had written that?

Chestin, wasn't it? The only poet in the 20th century to even come close to the truth, the truth of the capital. So that made me look up GK Chestin, who I didn't know a lot about, who you kind of mentioned last week. Yes, because it was the dedication. And so I was like, oh, Chestin reference, let's look it up.

And it's a really cool poem. It's called, oh fuck, I didn't actually write down the title. I think it's called The Old Story or something. Oh yeah. Anyway, but I thought I'd just read the first and the last stands as. Because they're really cool. A shock of engines halted, and I knew the end was near. And something said that far away, over the hills and far away,

there came a crawling thunder and the end of all things here. The London Bridge is broken down, broken down, broken down. It's digging left the daylight on the sunken streets of yore. The lightning looked on London Town, the broken bridge of London Town, the ending of a broken road where men told go no more. And it's quite long, so I'm just going to, as I say, skip to the end stands, which is the relevant one.

A trailing meteor on the downs, he rides above the rotting towns, the horsemen of apocalypse, the rider of the shires. For London Bridge is broken down, broken down, broken down. Below the horn of Huntington, from Scotland to the sea. Only flash of thunderlight, a flying dream of thunderlight, had shown under the shattered sky, a people that were free. Oh, I like that. Right, some good words.

Good work, Chesterton. Going to get into that poetry. Yep, I also like that. So, you're Tannison can wait for a little while for me. Yeah, well, I, um... Yeah, do you know who the horn of Huntington is? I forgot to look that up. No, I'm assuming it's like a land thing.

Yeah. Sorry, that was better in my brain. It's like a land, like a, this is the horn of this kingdom kind of thing. Well, yeah, the horn is normally something that, is Huntington anywhere near a coast? Because it's normally something that kind of sticks out. Oh, we see, yeah, yeah, like the horn of Cape, what's it? Yeah, Cape of Good Hope.

No, no, that's Blackadder. All right, let's go away from this. We are just talking shit. It's possible we don't know anything about geography, but from Oxbow Lakes. Oxbow Lakes happen when a river does a big old loop and... Eventually, part of the river cuts off and becomes a lake. Yeah.

Because the river starts taking a more efficient route. And do you know why it does that? Because it's getting away from a tangent. Next one, Joanna. Gardeners Question Time, this is yours. Oh, fuck yeah, sorry. Because I have never listened to Gardeners Question Time and I take it from this you have?

Oh, yeah, so my last jobby job, proper job, we have Radio 4 on basically all day. Yeah. Because we found it calming. Apart from the radio plays, which were occasionally really weird and shouty. But Gardeners Question Time comes on later on a Friday afternoon, as it is, I'm guessing here.

Yeah, yeah. Well, it's Saturday, technically. Oh, it is Saturday, isn't it? Oh, I guess it's played again on Saturday, probably. But it's very, very English. And I know we keep saying that and we're the worst. But it's a panel show. It's a live radio panel show or live recording.

Yeah. And they go to a new town each week. And they let the locals ask them questions about gardening. And there's four gardening experts, or three maybe. And it's very gentle and very nice. And it always starts to switch my brain off for the week when I listen to it. You know, back when I didn't work Saturdays.

Yeah, sorry, what's that like? Yeah. And it's the little just rambling monologue again. Yeah. But it starts at putting in this gardener's question time, coming to you from Tadfield Gardening Club. We last here in 1953, a very nice summer. And as the team will remember, it's a rich Oxfordshire

low-monest of the Paris rising to chalk in the West. The kind of place, I always say, doesn't matter what you plant here. If it'll come up beautiful. Isn't that right, Fred? Yep. So Professor Fred Wynne Bryant Royal Botanical Garden. Couldn't have put it better myself. Anyway, it carries on.

And then... And we get a question from Mr. Archie Tyler. From Mr. Archie Tyler. Yes. But a rather apocalyptic question. That's right. Well, I'm a keen rose grower, but my prize-winning Molly McGuire lost a couple of blossoms yesterday in rain of what were apparently fish.

What does the team recommend for this other than place netting over the garden? I mean, I've written to the council. Which you would do. Yeah. I've written to the council about a surprise rain of fish. Yeah. And then just a very calm response, not reacting to the absurdity of the situation,

as I would imagine the gardener's question time radio for in general would not. I'll tell you what, I'm sorry, I'm not quoting anymore. I'm revising my last week's answer of what I find reassuring in adults. Because I think I said something non-committal like teachers or something. Radio four. As long as radio four is going. I'm actually, because it's probably all going to be okay. I do listen to quite a lot of radio four, especially...

And no gardener's question time. No, because I'm not normally listening to the radio on a Friday afternoon. I listen to a lot of radio in the morning. And then there's some shows I keep to listen to, because I tend to need a bit of noise when I'm falling asleep. Oh, sure. See, you download the podcast. Kitchen cabinet.

I normally end up listening to sort of over three days, because Janet Rayner's voice does lull me to sleep beautifully. This is the gardening version of kitchen cabinet. Oh, no, I figured that from the camera. Okay, right, right. I was like, yeah, no, that's kitchen cabinet, but for gardening. Yeah. We will link to these shows in the show notes,

because there are ways to listen abroad. And they are wonderfully soothing. So kitchen cabinet is my soothing one. Unbelievable Truths, which is a really funny panel show. Yeah, love that. Yeah, which I got to see a live recording of, which was really fun and free. It's the one with David Mitchell, right?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Mitchell. And what's the other? Oh, I like to listen to Women's Hour in the morning as well. Because of course you do. Yeah.

Purple-pasted note for Women's Hour. Yeah. And I like the radio plays as well, because I'm trying to write radio plays. So for me, it's like... Oh, really? I hate them. Don't write anything like that. But like, so I can't go to see live theatre and get ideas

and think about how this works off, because I like to listen to as many radio plays. Obviously, I'm being hugely mean here. It's just that it's the bad ones that stick out in your memory. I mean, and the bad ones are really bad. Like, radio plays, it's very difficult not to get very overactive very easily. Yeah.

And it's when I was trying to like proofread, and we've been using Radio 4 as background noise, and then suddenly someone was screaming on the radio about fucking UFOs sometimes. Like, oh, maybe the end time's happened, but I wasn't paying attention. That's entirely possible for us soon. Yeah.

I feel like you and I will both doze through the actual apocalypse. Speaking of dozing through things, this first came up when I was doing A-Level Philosophy. Segway. Segway. How are we doing well? How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

And I did actually put this into my notes, because... So... Was that something? Philosophers, actually. It is a reductio ad absurdum challenge to medieval scholasticism, especially angelology. Although it was first recorded in the 17th century, so this is in the context of Protestant apologetics.

So say your philosophy title for us again. Reductio ad absurdum. Definitely sounds like a Harry Potter spell. Reductio ad absurdum. Have you never heard that phrase before? No, I did not take philosophy A-Levels. Oh, it's not just in philosophy. It's quite a common phrase in like rhetorical debate and arguing.

And it's the idea of taking an argument that you think might be a bit silly to some ridiculous logical confusion to conclusion. I'm trying to point out how ridiculous it is to be questioning something at all. So this was, like I said, this was a response to medieval scholasticism and angelology, which was this 17th century obsession with

the medieval scholastics of Christianity specifically and the weird studies of angels and the nature of them and the mechanics of them, because there was so much study into that. And the philosophers that would challenge it and because Thomas Aquinas was very into the, Thomas Aquinas is a wanker. Fucking hate Thomas Aquinas.

Anyway. Is he medieval as well? No, no, he was one of the scholars of medieval scholasticism. Why do you hate him? Because I had to study him. Okay. And this is some of this stuff I printed out. So it's linked to the fall of Constantinople

in this idea of scholars arguing while Turks were besieging the city. Istanbul, not Constantinople. So it's this idea of why are you bothering with this? It's ridiculous. And while you argue about this, Turks are evading. So yeah, so how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or how many angels can stand on the point of a pin

is kind of a, or if you're going to argue about all of this stupid stuff that doesn't really matter, why not try and decide how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Oh, oh, I'm glad they agree with me. Yes. It's a fun thing. And that's what a reductio ad absurdum argument is.

Okay. Cool. I don't know if I'm saying that right. I don't speak Latin. So speaking of Crowley shrinking down between answerphone things. He is described at one point in this book. And this is, you know, he has not had a nice day.

He's not. Armageddon's underway. Can't do anything about it. It's going to happen at Tadfield. He's in trouble with hell. He just kind of killed Haster and trapped Liger in an answer routine. All the way around.

Killed Liger, trapped Haster. Why was 50, 50 chance of being right there? Everything is terrible. He should find a nice little restaurant, get completely and utterly pissed while he waits for the world to end. But I agree. And I will read this out, but not the whole quote.

Underneath all, Crowley was an optimist. If there was one rock hard certainty that they stained him through the bad times, it was the utter surety he would come out on top. So I posit to you that Crowley is, in fact, the anti-Rincewind. Where Rincewind is determined that no matter what happens,

it will not work out well for him. Crowley at the answer... You could argue rock bottom. Like M25's on fire, the bookshop's on fire, the book's on fire, his car's on fire. And with the complete opposite of Rincewind's determination to run away from trouble, Crowley is holding his shitty car together

with pure willpower to run into trouble. Because he knows full well that the universe will, or he really feels that the universe is going to look after him, so we best try and fix all of this. Nope, yep, I fully agree. Anti-Rincewind, love it, well done. And I think this might be why I love Crowley so much

and where I did struggle with Rincewind, although I've now come round to Rincewind's casual nihilism. Yeah, yeah. You've talked me into it. We'll see if I still feel like that. A different side to the same coin. Yes, metaphor. Non-poetic metaphor.

I don't have examples. I have examples. Excellent guess, you're on here in charge then. Yeah, it would have been a bit dickish of me to roundly put that down and say, find examples for me, Joe. Yeah, I really like that, although there are some beautiful bits of description,

there are also even more so than in most Discworld novels, some just really non-poetic bits of metaphor that I think are even more effective. Most of them describe in the sky, but the first one I've got is after Liger, is Holy Watered, so looking like a handful of mashed slugs. Ooh, beautiful similarly though.

Yep. Oh, in fact, all of these are similarly rather metaphorical. As though the sky had been painted by an enthusiastic amateur. I rather like that one. Yeah. Clouds overhead, curling like a pot of tagliatelle on full boil.

That's why I was asking you earlier how to spell tagliatelle. Ah, tagliatelle and then telly. Yeah. And lightning flashing like a malfunctioning fluorescent tube. Marvelous. Yeah, so there's a few more along those lines, but I like to think that because so many of them did pertain to the sky,

that the two of them kind of had some informal competition about non-poetic metaphors about the sky. Yeah, like trying to make each other laugh. There was also one that I forgot to note down. They're talking about the light was yellow and stretched like a full smile, something like that. Oh. And I thought that was really beautiful because you can think of it,

like that yellow light you get in the storm and it's stretched like a full smile. And it's kind of sick for you. What an unusual and beautiful metaphor. So many. Sorry, you always correct my own. Yeah, no, you're quite right. Yeah.

So there's no real way to segue into this, but I do find this really interesting that where the timelines of this book, where we split it in half based on the physical halfway point in the book, but the first half of the book goes from the very beginning of the world to Friday night. So like the day before it's meant to end. Thousands and thousands of years and then also most of a week.

And then the second half of the book is pretty much 24 hours. It's Saturday morning through to Sunday morning. Yeah. That's it. But one side doesn't feel more rushed than the other or like more story is happening than the other. And I think it's incredibly, obviously it's incredibly good writing. Yeah.

It's, I think, a very good choice because I think a lot of books and films rush over this climax period. Yeah. And I think very deliberately they've done half of the book is the climactic bit. Yeah. They've looked at the number of events that need to happen, giving them space to breathe. And somehow it works that over a whole day,

Adam goes from a living real boy to ready to end the world because he's so upset about what he's read to really human again. Yeah. And it's quite upsetting to read it, isn't it? Because it's like this dude having all of his existential crises that we have as teenagers at once. In one day. But there is a bit where he realizes that he's gone too far

because his friends are running away from him. And it talks about him screaming and he is at this point. And this is like a big decision point for him that's very heaven or hell or somewhere in between as it turns out because this is where he chooses to be really human. Yeah. It spoke of and it describing the screen it rattled the celestial spheres. It spoke of loss and it did not stop for a very long time.

And then it did and something drained away. And that's just such a perfect description of him going through that massive transition in 30 seconds. Yeah. And what it took him to lose all the hellishness and become incredibly human. Like I said, he's like human 2.0.

Yeah. Because he's still got these Antichrist powers but he's choosing to use them for humaneness. Not good or evil but the middle of it. Human pro addition. Yes. So yeah, so I thought the pacing of the book was really interesting that it gives its climax time to roll around like thunder.

Yes. Oh, very nice. Wicked burnings. So the children are coming around on maybe we don't need to burn witches or Adam's telling them that they've got it all wrong about witches and they're right all along and it's wrong to persecute witches because obviously he's been reading his magazines. And glossing over the fact that he was the one to start the inquisition.

In the way that only an 11 year old could gloss over. Well, never mind your way. But I like that, you know, this is the witches in this book a very feminist and agnus matter is in my opinion a feminist icon of sorts. Yeah, I know. Yeah. I like that. We'll build a statue of these.

Yeah, the in Salo's sphere will jump on you for that mass murderer feminist icon. God damn it. I don't. My feminist icon is your terrorist. I don't think a lot of red colors listen to our podcast France. What? I don't think that's our target market. Something about the purple post it's for feminism.

Oh, yeah. But my mother said they were only just intelligent women protesting in the only way open to them against the stifling injustices of a male dominated social hierarchy. Yeah, but your mother's always saying things like that. And yeah, nice little patriarchy duck movement there. But I wasn't the the book gently mocks feminism in a way. I don't mind where you know, you get those people and I've been guilty of it. Where you're sort of having an off hand conversation.

They're coming. Yes, but this is an injustice of the patriarchy based on social hierarchies invented in 1872 by Thomas Edison. It's not always a bad thing, but there is a way that is inject interjected into conversations. Like, okay, we get it. You're intellectual and woke, but also we are just talking about crisps. I do like the whole woke of them now. I feel bad that it's being co-opted because it was originally quite a good term being used

in sensible ways. And but as we all can use just both. Yeah. Names. Yes. I did you look this up because I did. I looked up some of this. Yeah.

I'm not sure which way. Tell me yours first because yours looks like a different theme to mine. Okay. So I was curious about the likes of Joshua Device, Humphrey Gadget, Peter Gizmo, Cyrus T. Doodad, Ella Rita Widget. All on a very obvious theme. Yeah. So some of these are like names from from things.

But I was looking at the actual orange into the names and the idea of things being named after people who invented them. Lord Sandwich being the obvious example. But that story is widely accepted to be something of a myth. Yeah. Although there is a funny but like a joke about it. Yeah. And there's a lot of funny jokes about it in monstrous regiment, of course.

Yes, there are. And I can't wait till we get to that book because I love it so much. And one pretty funny joke about it in the last continent. Yeah. We'll get there again. Thomas Crapper is a great example in that he is famously thought of as the one who invented the flushing toilet. And really should have been.

And he did not invent the flushing toilet, but he didn't invent the bullcock. I just really wanted to say bullcock. Which is has something to I don't know how toilets work. I'm not a plumber. I don't know if you knew that about me, Francie. And he did also make toilets, not personally, but like he Thomas Crapper is the name of the founder of a plumbing and toilet making company. But he did not invent the flushing toilet.

And I first learned that this is tangentially relevant to where we are. So Terry Jones, the Monty Python guy recently passed away. He had a series of kids booked called The Night in the Squire, The Lady in the Squire, which is set in medieval times. And in one of them, a kid puts his foot in a privy and there is a very, very long Pratchatesque footnote about the fact that this would have been less of a problem if it had been a flushing toilet, which people think is invented by a guy called Thomas Crapper, but wasn't.

And it's like a half page footnote about the history of the flushing toilet. And he just really wanted to get that fact in his book somewhere. Yeah, definitely. Which makes me love Terry Jones all the more. It makes me slightly more sad. So yeah, Thomas Crapper. So actual names, it mentions them here. Gadget comes from the front gachette, lock and gage tool.

Oh, cool. Widget appears to have vaguely evolved from gadget. Gizmo is made up, but it looks like it's origins in 1940s US military slang, which makes me think if I Googled a bit more, I would have found some weird acronym thing, because a lot of especially 30s and 40s military slang are weird acronyms. I'll add that to this. Also, I really like when I find words or acronyms that I forget. Acronyms like radar and laser.

And I mean, snafu is obviously an acronym, because it's not a real word, but it's so often used in conversation, people forget that it's an acronym. Yeah. I first learned what it meant when I got some special Ben and Jerry's ice cream called snafu. Strawberries naturally all fudged up. He. Ah, Dilly Gaff. Dilly Gaff's a great one.

I could not find the origin of the word doodad. So I think it may have been a name at some point. It might just be nonsense. It might just be nonsense. Joshua device was a real person. He was a Victorian explorer. Oh, okay. But the word device has its origins much older than Victorian times.

It was a 14th century French divide. The word device comes from divide, which comes from 14th century French. But it was a device as in like a motto or an emblem. Oh, so does device and devised, and they're not to the same root? No, they do. They all come from the same place. So device, devised, divide, all come from devir, which has its origins in 14th century French, but is Latin if you go a bit further back.

Cool. But the word device meaning device specifically meaning a motto or an emblem. So like if you have a shield with a rampant lion on it, the rampant line is a device. Oh, so something along the phrase of this or that of their own device. Yeah. That was used as early as 15th century English. So it definitely meant a thingy before Joshua a device was a thing. So that was the gadget names I looked at, but you had a bit more on device and nutter.

Oh, yeah, because because you've written down device. I slotted in my fact here. That's cool. But basically, how much do you know about the Kendall witches? I know a bit, but what I mostly know is from a fictionalized version of some of the Pendle witches are really good aimed at slightly younger readers, but very good sort of fantasy series called Spooks, which is set around Pendle around the time of the Pendle witch trials. But there's a link to this in the show notes before.

Yeah, I can't remember where it came up before. So when we've we talked about a Joseph Delaney bit before, something about you could tell a witch if she was wearing pointy shoes. Yeah, yeah. Because I wore pointy shoes when I met the author and he said, oh, it was good fun. Good. He's a lovely bloke, actually.

But yeah, yeah. So they turned up when I was looking up witch burning in general. Yeah. Because it's one of the most famous ones. It's 1612. 12 people were accused of the murder of 10 people by witchcraft. In Lancashire, around Pendle Hill. Which I think I've climbed.

Cool. But you were a bit lost. Well, we climbed the we were following the signs for Pendle Hill and we climbed up a big hill. So as far as I'm concerned, we climbed Pendle Hill. Good. Or at least a hill in Pendle. Close enough for government work. Yeah.

Six of the 12 accused came from two families. This is all very small town drama. Yeah. And they love it. But both were headed by a matriarch in her 80s. Which I also love. Yeah. We love a matriarch.

Then one of the families was headed by a woman called Anne Whittle. Which I think is a lovely name as well. Whittle. Whittle. And then the other was Elizabeth Southerns whose daughter, which is why you didn't come across this immediately, her daughter was called Elizabeth Device. Ah.

One of the others who were accused, not part of these two families, was called Alice Nutter. So my guess is that Device and Nutter both come from this story. The stories. The stories. The stories. The stories. And the whole thing is a real fucking drama. I really don't have time to go through it properly.

But it's very well-recording thanks to Thomas Potts. The wonderful discovery of witches in the county of Lancaster. Feminously spelled in an oldie timey way. But you're going to have to look this up on your own time because it's a super interesting read. I will just give you a teaser. The triggering event did involve pins. Amazing.

Like I said, some of it is, because Alice Nutter is like a character in these, in these spooks books. So I remember some of it from that. Yeah, I didn't. Alice Nutter was linked her own Wikipedia page unlike most of them. And I did not follow it because I am learning. A little bit whole.

I am learning to cut off my research where I intended to sometimes. On account of sometimes I need to eat, go to work, sleep, sleep. Greet my husband. Sorry, I'm trying to remember. Yeah. Speaking of Alice Nutter. Agnes Nutter's descendant, Anathema. What did you think of the whole

there being a romantic plot in this? Well, I think you should do your opinions first because mine are very much constructed in an attempt to soften yours somewhat. Yeah, that's why it seems silly to do it the other way around. So this is where the pacing I don't think quite works. In one day, Newt gets dropped off at Anathemas, injured. There's an earthquake. They shag and then they try and go save the world.

Yeah. I just, it feels like they don't need to shag there. And Anathema only really goes along with it because it's predicted and preordained. And there's a whole tangent I'm not going to go on about preordained and destiny and time travel. But it doesn't seem like Anathema is at any point really into him. She's very much, the book says so and he's here and I guess he's not that bad. And then they have sex and I don't know, it feels weirdly shoehorned in. Like there doesn't need to be a romance.

There is already a very sweet romance between Shadrunner and Madame Tracy. I'm not a prude. I don't mind shagging. No, no, I don't. What other fates of black as they kiss or, you know, full graphic descriptions that would be weird in this book. That would be a really upsetting footnote actually. I do not need to see the word throb when it could open.

For some reason, my brain just pictured an asterisk and then in and out and shake it all about. That's because he made me do the oki-koke last week. There we go. I'm not sure if I left that in. Call back. Yeah, it just feels unnecessary. Okay, so yeah, it is unnecessary. I'm not sure that's a big problem and I think there's a reason for it being,

well, it's hinting at that, but I feel like it's kind of, you could get to it anyway. It's hinted at as to when he's driving, and he's driving down and he says that his ancestor would have turned it his grave had he been given one if he knew what was about to happen. I feel like the whole thing, because yeah, and that's not that really into it, and he's only leaving because Agnes did it, I think she just put it in to make that happen, to piss off the memory of Thou shalt not commit adultery. Okay, when you put it like that, I like it a lot more, but there is that definitely still adds in some dubious consent stuff.

Yeah, I don't know how the consent stuff works when she is technically voluntarily going along with everything, but she's been kind of told her whole life that all this is pre-ordained. So does she feel like she has a choice? I don't know. There's a whole area of consent law that I hope never actually has to be solidified. Because there's very few books of prophecy around. Yeah, but because she doesn't, well, even though she's not into it, she really doesn't think of mine. No, unlike they end up, they have their quite cute ending, and I said I don't dislike their ending,

and it's, I think it's having the romance in. I think it's stretching it to call it a romance, and I think perhaps you're disliking it more because you're thinking of it as a romance. Okay, not a romance, but they sort of end up, it's implied that them being together is part of the happy ending of the book. It is implied. I feel like had there been a sequel, they may not have been together romantically. Yeah, but they would have been not together romantically the way some couples are in sequels when they had a happy ending in the first book, where they're arguing with each other and you

don't know why, and they end up back together by the end of the second book. Oh, that's a harsh idea of what Gaiman perhaps you would have come up with. Maybe not, but I feel like that's sort of how these things go, and they put a bit of this is how these things go. I don't know, I just, well, if she'd opened the fucking book, we could have found out, couldn't we? Well, yeah, I think it's because romance doesn't come up a lot in the disc world, and when it does, it's very sweet and subtle and gentle, whereas these are two of the main characters, even if they end up not really actually doing anything to avert the apocalypse.

Although I will make the argument, this is a bit of a tantrum from the romance point, because I don't really got anything else to say any of that, and I think it's a bit really unnecessary. Yeah, I see your point of view, I possibly have just justified it to myself to the point where it didn't annoy me, but. So, Azera fell in Crowley, both try and become tutors to what they think is the antichrist to try and influence him to their way or the other, and Adam comes out 100% human. I would argue that Anathema has more influence over him than anyone else, because she gives

more than magazines, which inspires him to try and make the world a better place. Yes. Yeah, she is his very brief but effective tutor. Yeah, so as much as I say, they don't do a lot to avert the apocalypse, Anathema probably does more than anyone. Newt does fuck all. Apart from having a weird white guilt moment. Well, no, okay, we'll come back to the white guilt. I'm not sure that's right, unless I've misunderstood, Newt literally avert the physical

war bit of the apocalypse. Oh, by switching all the computers off? Yeah, but if he hadn't done that, it would have happened anyway, because Adam stopped everything. I mean, possibly not in time. It was all counting down, and they were still arguing outside. If I can, sorry. Okay, but even if like Adam would have done it anyway, I think it's unfair to say that Newt did nothing to avert the apocalypse when he literally averted the apocalypse,

just because Adam would have done it anyway. Okay, well, this was kind of my next point, apart from Newt's white guilt, is that they're kind of there for exposition. I don't think that's true again. I'm not sure. I understand the argument that people have to have this pivoting role and a plot to exist and be good and useful and entertaining. They don't, because there are loads of really amazing side characters in this book that have

these huge backstories and are only there for a page, and they're not pivotal to the plot. I'm just saying for them to be such a big focus of the book, we spend so much time with them. I'm really interested in the prophecies, and that was nutter. I'm not that interested in spending time with them. They are these, it's partly exposition, I suppose, but to me, they are the straight man, they're the TV trope. We are seeing it through an abel human's eyes, and that's really the only time we get to. Well, with Newt, yeah, but I mean, I wouldn't...

I mean, with both almost, because although Anathema's a fucking weirdo, she is still recognizably a human young lady. Yeah, but she's also a witch. She always knew this was coming, and she's sort of almost riding on the spirit of her ancestors. Yeah, and they both are in a really weird way, and it's... I don't know, I don't... It doesn't bother me at all that if they hadn't come along then the same stuff would have happened. I'm not sure that makes any sense to me as an argument to not include characters.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be there because of that. I'm just pointing out that they are exposition characters, rather than anything that drives the plot in any way. I'm not saying that's necessarily an unnecessary thing or a bad thing. I mean, it would be weird to have Sardin Shadwell without Newt there as the straight man. Yeah, Newt playing the straight man to Sardin Shadwell, definitely, although I think Madame Tracy also does that very well, and to a certain extent, a zero for Wally's possessing Madame Tracy.

Yeah, but the three of those and the thing together just seems like an overly handy sitcom. The actual sex worker and the... If it had gone on any longer than it had, it would have become quite... Yeah, yeah, and we needed to have the... Okay, maybe I am being too harsh on Newton and Athemat. I just found I enjoyed their characters less this time. That's fair. I mean, yeah, I can't argue with you just not enjoying it. But I think the fact that they're kind of a bit pointless in there for exposition and that...

Maybe because I know how the romance ends, I'm less engaged in it than earlier readings of the book. Possibly, yeah. And I don't look for romance in books quite so much anymore? No, me neither. That doesn't help. But I think that's possibly why... Do you know, it might have burdened me more a couple of readings ago, a few years ago, when...

But these days, it really doesn't bother me if people just have arbitrary sex for no reason in the middle of a book. Oh, no, I'm not... That probably would have bothered romantically minded me. These days, I'm like, eh, fine. I'm not anti... I'm a bit of afternoon delight as the windows cave in, so that's great. I'm not anti arbitrary sex in the middle of afternoon as the windows cave in, by any stretch of the imagination.

Like, I do not want you to think I am. I mean, the first thing people say about me is that I'm not anti arbitrary sex in the middle of the afternoon, while the windows cave in. I mean, they don't call me Joanna arbitrary sex in the middle of the afternoon as the windows cave in, hanging young for nothing. Okay, maybe my point is just that anathema could have done better. Yeah, I mean, that's fine. Like me.

This whole thing is actually, I'm just really jealous because I'm into anathema. And if I was anathema, I wouldn't be into new... And this is one of those crushes where I can't tell if I want to be here or be with her. If I say on, that was awful. I'm going to backtrack quickly because we've sort of jumped around the points a bit. But I did want to... Jumped around like two people having sex in the middle of the afternoon. That's the windows cave in.

Well, it's on the upstairs. I haven't been able to say that sentence all together once, so that there's having sex in the middle of the afternoon as the windows cave in. I'll see that way. You were always better at time festive. This is completely different. This is talking about Madame Tracy and the one thing I didn't like about her character is... So again, I get that this is in character and this isn't right just being prejudiced that... And this is the kind of slightly weirdly racist that Madame Tracy would be to have her

made up Native American spirit guide named Geronimo. And it does make a point of she hadn't really... She just heard the name and thought it was nice. Why didn't know anything about Geronimo? Until this time? Well, no. So I knew he was something to do with horrific parts of Native American history. I didn't know any detail. Oh, I got a podcast for you.

Oh, what's that? He was a prominent leader during the Apache-US conflict, which was in 1848 after the war with Mexico. Yeah, a couple of hundred years after the one I sent you, so sorry. This was when Americans were settling in Apache lands. And yeah, American Native history is horrific and colonialism is very bad. And I just thought it would obviously... I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that who listens to this podcast. But I just...

I don't know. It's just such a weird thing to have her do. I don't think it is. I don't think it's weird at all. I think that is perfectly plausible. It's totally in character. Yeah. It's just like... Would you have a Native American spirit guide if you were bollocksing up a sales?

Like, I'd have a Victorian ghost child that drowned in a bath. Native American spirit guide. I think we just need to run ourselves back to the 90s, when Native American spirit guides were very much involved amongst the airy, fairy yogurt weavers. Oh, yeah. A lot of turquoise jewelry going round, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right.

Yeah, I think it's very much of its time on the nose, if you reference. Okay. I possibly do not have enough cultural context of the early 90s yogurt weavers, because I was born. Yes. Well, likewise, it's more that I've read a lot of the books. So, fairies run as it's left lying around. That's fair. But yeah, no, it's... It is a bit weird reading it now, I'm not gonna lie.

Let's come back to Newton and Nathma then, and talk about electricity and computers. Oh, that's me. So, yeah, I will open the page. I've been marked on it, but it's kind of threw out the fact that the tech references, apart from the cassette tape, and the answer phone to be fair, are weirdly timeless. Yeah, like... Is this where you futile took the world away and just left the electricity bit? Oh, yeah, the sparkling filigree bit, yeah, I think that's probably what I've been marked.

Yeah, if you took the world away and just left the electricity, it would look like the most exquisite filigree ever made, a ball of twinkling silver lines with the occasional corresponding spike of a satellite beam. I don't know how good satellite images of the Earth were 30 years ago, but there are some beautiful images that look just like this now. Yeah. And it's very true.

And I mean, not as beautiful as he's describing, because it's not showing the pinpoints of electricity rather than the... Rather than the links of it. Yeah. So, A, that was just a beautiful bit of description. And it carries on to say most of the electricity is musculature, and but now some of it has brains. Yeah, and that's the tricky bit.

And that is a 30-year-old tech reference that's still incredibly relevant now. Yeah, it's just it's up until now a pretty ageless way of describing it. And it's just pretty, I'm not sure if it's coincidence or... Some of it's probably to do with the fact that they were working in, they were working with technology rather than in technology. They were both very, they were both early adopters of various work processes and computers, weren't they? But it is also, we forget how much of it was very much.

Things have moved on incredible amounts since the 90s, but all based off the same systems. Yeah. So what has moved on and what hasn't is very weird, like... Sorry, I was just checking if I have more detail. That's okay, it's a very loud notebook, I love it. Sorry. It is a beautiful line though, and I agree with you.

The way technology runs through the book is this background magic, and when the four horse people are starting the war by doing stuff, and pollution is dumping out oil into the oceans and wars screwing with stuff and... Yeah, and all that can still very much happen. But death's just hanging around in the background with style, because he doesn't really know how any of it works. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, so well done then.

Good, timeless, electricity computer references. Yeah. Unlike my other favorite, Red Dwarf, which uses triangle cassette tapes to show the future. Red Dwarf is such a... Because I do love things that are set in the past representing a future. And it can't help but be based on what we have in the past. Back to the future is another good one as well, obviously.

Blade Runner. My favorite always, obviously, is Brick Brack Breakers Charming. Just Charming. But Red Dwarf is a great one, because yeah, it's like... Because it's silly. It would still look really 80s. Yeah, yeah. And triangle cassette and fish.

Sorry, I just want to say I really like Red Dwarf. I don't know if I'm saying that right, I've got such a complex about it. Apparently I say Red Dwarf, funny. And sometimes I say Red Dwarf, and sometimes I say Red Dwarf. And I had to say it in a play once. Red Dwarf, yellow Dwarf. Slothl and all that. I had to say it in a play once.

I had to say, oh, I was a production assistant on Red Dwarf. And I kept saying it Red Dwarf. Or I was saying it the other way around, and that was wrong. I can't remember. But someone who I was on stage with is a huge fan of the show and would correct me every time I got it wrong. Even if we were actually performing in front of an audience, because it kind of would have been in character for both of us.

And I have such a complex about it now. Oh, well, I'm very sorry to have brought it up. No, that's fine. I'm going to skip my next point until we are talking about the TV series, because I feel like ineffability is grander than just a book. And I haven't Googled it yet. Now, I vaguely know what ineffability means. It's ineffable.

Yeah, no. Yeah, ineffable. You can't eff it. You cannot. Cannot be effed. Or is it like inflammable? No, we're actually is ineffable. Yeah.

Jesus. Possibly. Now, he's ineffable. And inflammable. No, he's a very naughty boy. I'm sorry. Right, sorry. Oh, yeah.

So, I'm going back to Monty Python and that line. Jack said that he thought that line would never be funny again there. He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy. Because you've seen it so many times and it's referenced. But it actually just wants more. They came funny when he was listening to Radio 4. Oh, I'm settling back to the same thing.

He was listening to Radio 4 and Terry Jones passed away. He heard about Terry Jones dead. And the news reader said, Utterly Deadpan. Terry Jones famous for the life of Brian. Such lines as, He's not the Messiah.

He's a very naughty boy. So, just proper Deadpan news reader, boys. Okay, that's amazing. I love that. That's perfect. Non-weapons used as weapons. That's me. Yes.

Zero. It's like call back to the sticks and stones. May break your four horsemen, but words will never hurt me. The non-weapons used as weapons. So, the kids using these things as much. For example, weapons. Quite fit.

There are several things in here. Anatomous bread knife. Yes. Occultous bread knife. Of course. The exact weapon slash occult knife used later in Discworld by some Wittrener. What's his chops?

Crowley. Oh, Plonk, Mr. No, but yes. Nice. Crowley's gets out a tire iron to fight the devil with. And oh, shit. There was one more.

I forgot that. It's not coming to me. So, let's pretend it was Mr. It's something that Harry Pratchett fucking loves, loves throughout his books. He loves tibneaking with her frying pan. He loves the peasants who rise up during a revolt. Who don't have weapons.

Yeah, they don't have weapons. Turns out, it's a really fucking good knife. And he's been using it every day of 20 years. You haven't touched your sword in the battlefields in 20 years. That kind of thing. I don't know why, but clearly that idea just really tickles Pratchett. And I do like it that it crops up in here. Yeah, especially because you have these like big actual weapons.

There's the flaming sword of it all. And there's the flaming sword of it all. Oh, the flaming sword of it all. I don't know if death actually has a scythe. I don't think he's referred to as having a scythe. No, I don't think he does. He's not quite Grim Reaper. No, he's not.

He's a horseman death. Yeah, I don't think he's mentioned as having a scythe. I'm not going to get revelations out again. And get your revelations out love. For the lads, for the lads. For the riders, for the lads. Get your revelations out. We are now running to the end of the episode and the end of the book.

Yeah, I know we've babbled too long again. I've enjoyed it very much actually. I think we might just end up with a longish episode. We've been interesting this time. There are two bits right at the end of this book that really make me well out. And one is the last little paragraph of, if you want to imagine the future, imagine a boy and his dog and his friends in the summer that never ends and kicking a pebble.

And imagine a figure, half angel, half devil, all human slouching hopefully towards Tadfield forever. And that makes me proper well out, because it makes me think of Terry Pratchett and how inside him was probably always that boy kicking a pebble, slouching hopefully towards a village in the summer. Did you watch that documentary? Back in black.

Is that the one, the dramatized documentary? Yeah, I had the guy playing him. Oh yeah, makes me cry. Yeah, I thought it was really good. I thought it was going to be shit, but it was really good. I thought it was really nicely, respectfully done. I was worried it wouldn't be. Yeah, I didn't think it was going to be shit.

I thought it was going to be really weird watching someone pretending to be him, and it wasn't. Yeah, it wasn't. It was very good. We should do that at some point. Yes, we should definitely. But again, spoilers for the final book. Yeah.

Yeah, we're going to have like 10 to do after the final book. This will never end. We'll do Gorman Guest afterwards. If you want to imagine the future, imagine two people sitting at a kitchen table with a cheap mic slouching hopefully towards the end of the series of books forever. There's also, the end of my copy anyway, has like a little Terry Pratchett on Neil Gaiman,

Neil Gaiman on Terry Pratchett bit, and the end of the Terry Pratchett on Neil Gaiman. Will there be, it's done as an interview, and it's, will there be a movie then? Neil likes to think that one day maybe there will, and Terry is certain that it will never happen. In either case, neither of them will believe it until they're actually eating popcorn at the premiere,

and even then, probably not. And when the TV series had its big cinematic premiere, Neil Gaiman made sure that in the front row was an empty chair with a bucket of popcorn on it, and Terry's hat. Fuck's sake. I know, like, how fucking dare they? What the fuck? Sorry, this is how Francine and I process emotion.

Slight anger and sulky. Yes, how dare they? Should we throw in an obscure reference finial? Yeah, that seemed a pro. Cool, so that was... There's my finial. Oh, I think I left it in the other room. Hold on.

Do you need to get the finial out? I do. Get your finials out for the lads. For the lads. Obscure reference finial time. Yeah, you brought me a finial. It's gonna be used. Yep.

I haven't actually tweeted a picture of it yet. I must do that. Yeah, I looked at Instagram, and there's many pictures of my puppy on it, so what the fuck, Jo? All right, cool, sorry. I will put pictures of the puppy on it. I downloaded it on Instagram just to look at it.

I've followed the account now, and now I've installed Instagram again, but it was there, it's done. I'll send you a screenshot when I put up a picture of the puppy. Do you think? By snail mail. I'll post you a picture of an Instagram screenshot

of your puppy. Polaroid's on an album for us. What are you talking about? We're not old school. Okay, so obscure reference finial. Again, I did look one up because there's so many references in this book. I'm not consistently stealing this bit from you,

you can have it back for the disc world. But I was looking at Megiddo because I was curious. So Megiddo is Armageddon. Armageddon is the Greek name for this city of Tel-Megiddo. A tel is a man made hill, and it's mentioned in the Book of Revelation,

so it is an actual place in the Middle East. Yes. This is where they plan on taking Warlock to, except it obviously doesn't really work out because Warlock is not actually the Antichrist. This is Armageddon, it's meant to take place in the fields of Tel-Megiddo. And I found the quote from Revelation about it.

Is it Megiddo? I've been writing down Megiddo. It's Megiddo because it's like Megeddon, Megiddo. Yeah, yeah. Armageddon out of it. Yeah, yeah. Tel-Megiddo into...

All right, that one won't work. Anyway, so from the Book of Revelation... Oh my God, stop reading from the Bible. There are demonic spirits that perform science and they go out to the kings of the whole world to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty. Look, I come like a thief.

Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed. Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon. Cool. Yeah, okay. That was my...

It's not really that obscure reference because everyone's heard of Armageddon, but the fact that it's an actual place... I've got a shocked face. Shocked face, Fenial. Shocked face, Fenial. All right, I'll take it. Did you also notice the Golden Dagger of Megiddo reference?

No. Well, Aziraphil is questioning Shadwell on what anti-price weaponry he has. He says, Do you have the Shiv of Kali, the Golden Dagger of Megiddo? So it's mentioned in there. I didn't realise there was a Golden Dagger from there.

I didn't actually look that bit up. I thought you might have... No, I don't know that one. I just saw the reference and noted it down. That's cool. Nice one. And yours? Mine is Albedo, which reference?

Ah, Megiddo, Albedo. Megiddo, Albedo. Come on, pretty man. Baby, why don't we go? Would have been there. That would have worked a lot better, but I forgot that was the line. I'll call you that again.

Megiddo, Albedo. Baby, why don't we go? Okay, okay, sorry. So what's Albedo? Oh, I've forgotten. Right, it's from the same root as Albedo. It means whiteness. It's the measure of how much light is reflected

from a solar body. I should probably mention it was in this book when the alien pops down to Earth to give a message of drawing peace and a bit of a lecture on the state of the planet. Yeah. I've been letting ourselves go a bit with the old hydrocarbons, perhaps.

I'm sorry, could you tell me all planets are Albedo, sir? So yeah, the planet's albino, Albedo, matters because it's going to be higher if there's more ice and cloud cover and stuff like that. So it's symmetric used by climate scientists. Our planet's Albedo, should a nosy alien inquire,

is 32, 35% on average due to cloud cover, but this will vary a lot locally based on the geography of wherever you're honing in on. Well, that's good to know. I'll bear that in mind if a toad ever gets me. I'm clear with Happy about that because I'm always a bit concerned about how I'll answer a toad's questions

if he pulls me over in a flying saucer. Right, it's not covered in the Debrates book of etiquette. No, weirdly not. Wait for me to have a copy of that. Fantastic. I don't think Jack's looked through it properly yet, so I won't get it out, but... Get your Debrates out for the lads.

Right, sorry. Should we finish the podcast? Yeah, your antiquated etiquette rules out for the lads. Oh, that's right. Finish your podcast. Oh, my God. Yeah, I think we should go in bed, sorry. I need to finish my podcast.

Come on, see our podcast. So, yes, those were our obscure reference videos. I noticed I was always your podcast when it's doing well. That was my podcast when we get a call from the Headmaster. My Headmaster? The Demon Headmaster. Oh, that was a good show.

Can we do a bonus episode with your Demon Headmaster? No, we cannot, because that's just a slippery slope. Anyway. Hmm, yeah, let's finish. Sorry. I'm trying to do an outro, Francie. Get your outro for... Jesus.

All right. You cannot blame me for this episode overrunning. Well, it's only been the last five minutes. It's been directly my fault, but now I think we're pretty 50-50 on this. Yeah, no, that's cool. Thank you for listening to the Truth Shall Make You Threat. Really, it has been a chore this time, possibly.

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Albatrossies. And until... Actually, we should probably say that next week, we're still going to be on Good Omens. We're going to talk about the TV series, episodes one to three. Yeah. And then the week after, we're going to talk about episodes four, five, and six. Yeah, we weren't sure if we were going to split itself into two episodes.

Last time we spoke to you, dear listeners, but Joanna's now onto her fourth notebook. So... Just episode one. Yeah. I've got thoughts ranting. Oh, she has thoughts. Anyway, thank you for listening to Truth Shall Make You Threat.

And until next time, dear listeners, try not to let the end of the world hit you on your way out. I've got to write a monologue about an old lady who's secretly a serial killer, and that's why she always smells faintly of formaldehyde. That doesn't rhyme as well. That's the old lady who lived in a shoe. Well, it's a highly draft front scene.