The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret - Bonus: What We Did on Our Holidays

Episode Date: August 29, 2022

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Hello, and welcome to The Tree Shall Make Keyfret, a podcast in which we're usually reading and recapping every book from Terry Pratchett's Discworld series, one this time in chronological order. I'm Joanna Hagen. And I'm Francine Carroll. And this is a little bonus episode about what we did on our holidays. Because we've been not doing the podcast for a month. Yes, I didn't actually go on holiday there. No, not really.

I kind of went away for a couple of days. I did go away for a couple of days. That was fun. I'll get to that. Oh, yeah. Sorry. I'll get to that. Notes on spoilers.

We are a spoiler-like podcast for the Discworld. Assume no spoilers for any Discworld books in this podcast. And of course, we're saving it any and all discussion of the final Discworld novel, The Shepherd's Crown, until we get there. So you dear listen, I can come on the journey with us on a horribly understaffed, easy debt flight, delayed by several hours. Yay. Unfinally referenced at the start of the summer.

But I forgot I had to come up with something. My sister's been on holiday this week and like the entire two days leading up to actually getting on the flight. She was like, it's not going to happen. It's going to get cancelled. It's going to get delayed for eight hours. And I'm going to be stuck in an airport with a seven year old. What's going to happen?

I take it was fine. It was all fine. I was like, please tell me when you're in Spain. I really need to know that you're in Spain and comfortable. OK, yeah. So we are also going to talk about some TV stuff, but I promise I'm not going to spoil or anything for that either. She does.

I can't be bothered to write it properly. So that's just going to be like a two minute long bleep. Yeah, cool. That's a completely logical way to do things. I have a quick little bit of follow up. I wanted to get this email in before I forgot. This is in reference to the fifth elephant. Steph emailed us.

Steph also emailed us. I don't think we this made it into the final recording, but the email came in when we were literally halfway through recording part three of the truth and stuff suddenly occurred to Steph. What if in Djingo, the other vimes could hear what was happening through the disorganiser? It did. Oh, it did.

Sorry, I can't remember. I remember the horror in our voices as I edited it. Oh, OK, excellent. As long as that one made it in, I'm very glad. But this email, this email is about the fifth elephant. Steph says, hello again. Have you ever heard of the mad, mad Mipfids? Six posh sisters and one brother, born absurdly posh in the early 20th century

and frequently in the news for shenanigans and or extreme politics. Oh, and or one of the married fascist leader Oswald Mosley with the guest of honor at the wedding. Yeah, another one was a communist. Here's a quote from a present day journalist about the sisters. Diana, the fascist, Jessica, the communist, unity, the hit lover, Nancy, the novelist, Deborah, the duchess and Pamela, the unobtrusive poultry connoisseur. During their childhoods, their father.

During their childhoods, their father apparently hunted them with dogs for funsies because British aristocracy, am I right? The world connection may be apparent already. But in case you need some actual evidence, I can page three hundred and seventy two of the Corgi edition where anger greets several of the werewolf pack in a family's castle. Hello, Uncle Olf, Uncle Aunt Hilda, Magwin, Nancy, unity. The pack's all here, then.

Could this be the obscurest finial in the book? Oh, so absolute delight, because I would never have spotted that reference. I hadn't heard of the mitfins. Also, extra bonus castle snacks and albatrosses to staff for finishing the email with dashing through the snow, werewolves on my trail through the woods. We go hit them with a pale. Thank you very much.

10 hours of 10. Very good email. Absolutely. So as we're a Terry Pratchett podcast and Neil Gaiman is very Pratchett adjacent, I feel like we should probably acknowledge that Sandman has happened. It has, and I've watched a whole episode on it. Yes, I'm curious, based on watching just episode one, like, how do you feel about actually watching the rest of the show?

Trefidatus. Not because I don't think it's a good idea, but because it's quite. I know, violin, I guess, and the long episodes and I don't know, I need to be in the right mood to watch something like that. It was extremely good and beautiful, and I expect I'll enjoy it very much. But you're not a big fan of on-screen violence, are you? Yeah, I can see. I can get past it quite easily, but it's just like I watched TV

almost always when I'm eating, I hardly ever watch it outside of that. So, yeah, it's, yeah. No, I had to carefully time my Sandman watches around not eating. Yeah. What do you think of it? You've got more of a, you've read the comic books and everything. So I have read the comics for a really long time ago, and I don't really remember much of them.

That's not to say they're not memorable. I'm a bad at reading comics. I like tend to skim through dialogue and not take everything in. That's more of a personal failing than me thinking comics are bad. If I get hold of them, do you want to borrow them? Yes, absolutely. Because I want to see the, yeah. I want to, having seen the episode, I would like to see the drawings.

Yes. The artwork is amazing. The two bits from the comics, I remember the most, are also my two favorite episodes, well, three bits, technically, then make up my two favorite episodes of Sandman, five and six. Episode five is the 24 hour Diner episode, and I remember that being an incredible comic. It's a very bossel episode.

It's very dark, but it's also David Duelist doing the most, and I love him. He's got such an incredible voice. He was looping in Harry Potter. That's probably the easiest. Thank you. And then bonus episode came out, didn't it? Yes.

I felt very happy Twitter people. I watched the bonus episode just a couple of days ago. I was really annoyed because it dropped while I was on the train to the DiscordCon. I decided not to do that. I would have to squeeze it into my backpack, and I was like, I'm going to be watching this on the train. You got your phone?

I'm not going to watch it on the phone. No, no, no, no. They're very good, though. They're very good. Arthur Davill playing dark is nice, because I haven't seen him in much other than Doctor Who. He was Rory. But yeah, no, it's good.

The 24 hour Diner episode was amazing. And then the following episode, episode six, is A, has like, if you've only seen like one of those, and it's probably this one, it's the death and Morpheus on a bench talking. And the woman playing death, I can't remember the actress's name now, but she's fantastic. She's like so warm and brings everything to the character.

It's really lovely to watch. It did also make me laugh. I saw someone tweet like, I live near that bench in Richmond. It's just, you're not going to be able to see her for Goths. Oh, no. Yeah. It's like, you still can't really walk through a particularly

direct duck pond in London without seeing a Zerophelin Crowley cosplay. I bet. I bet. Which admittedly, I realized I'm going to be near that pond when I go to London in a few weeks. And I will probably go wander through that park. But also because it's very pretty park to wander through.

I am curious. Like, okay. So two things. One. The episode that the bonus episode that came out. Sorry. Thank you. Is that the actress who plays death?

Yes. Yeah. Also just shout out Mason Alexander Park as a desire. He literally just tweeted Neil Gaiman was like, Hey, have you cast this part yet? I want to audition. And he was like, here's the casting thing. And then they got the part and they're incredible.

And then they got the part. And then they got the part. And then they got the part. And then they got the part. And then they got the part. And he was like, here's the casting thing. And then they got the part. And they're incredible as, as desire.

Oh, cool. And obviously. Shoot your shot kids. Yeah. Obviously Gwendolyn Christie is amazing as Lucifer as well. Gwendolyn Christie playing Lucifer is just a fucking done. Like, can we not? It's great.

Yeah. I am curious. So the, the bonus episode kind of got leaked a bit because Trixie and Katya had two drag queens who host like a pop culture and stuff. YouTube. Well, it's not YouTube show is on Wow presents and stuff, but they had somehow in, I guess they got some sandman screeners

and got that bonus episode in there. So they accidentally leaked it, which was just not on my 2022 bingo card. Yeah. But so I don't know if it got released so early. I think it was originally planned to be released like a year on or something and probably to drum up height for season two. If they get a season two,

which I can't imagine they won't. It's been pretty fucking well received. Doesn't it say? Yeah. But yeah, one thing that I'm not a fan of, it's a really good adaptation. Like it's incredibly, you know, deeply close to the comics and in love with its awesome material.

And that helps because Neil Gaiman is working on it. But like just as a TV show, I don't think it's very well structured, which is fine because it's based on certain comics. So they're doing like these first five episodes. These is this volume. And this is kind of in between episodes. And then it goes into the dollhouse storyline.

So I get why it's shaped like that, but it's not shaped like a season of television. Right. I was going to say, do you mean as a whole season or within the episodes? Yeah. The episodes themselves are all really well constructed and well written.

Yeah. But it's like, obviously you've only seen season one so far. It sets it up as a show that like anyone who's ever interacted with sandman will go, yeah, this is fucking great. And Charles dance is in it. And who comes as Charles dance existing. But it doesn't feel like a hugely compelling. Like now I'm desperate to jump into the rest of the series.

If you're not already a bit of a Neil Gaiman fan or a bit of a Sandman fan. Right. It's not left on like a cliffhanger or anything. No, I don't. Well, I don't feel like it is. I mean, there's obviously left in there. There's lots more story to come.

Yeah. Like there's lots of things left open. But yeah, it doesn't feel very TV show shaped to me, which is fine. It's it's that's not necessarily a bad thing. Again, like it's really episode more like a self contained arc rather than. Yeah, somewhat, which is, which is good.

I don't mind that. But yeah, just as a like from because it's two big arcs put together into one season. Yes. Yeah. I think that's kind of a weird vibe to it, which I'm just, I'm used to adaptations focusing on being like a TV show first and an adaptation second.

So seeing it that way around is interesting, whether it's good or bad. Good or bad. I don't know. When I finished it, I'll read some more reviews and see how many people agree. I mean, I will also know whether I agree or not with you, but I doubt I'll have a strong opinion. So I'll adopt somebody. If you want mine, it's free for the taking.

I do like having opinions. Did you love all of the costuming all of the, you know, the aesthetics? Oh, yes. The only aesthetic criticizes Joanna Constantine. I know she's not John Constantine. It's a totally different character. It's more like a descendant, but it's very much. This is either I'd say three or four.

It's Jenna Coleman, who I love playing her. But John Constantine is like a very grimy character. And it would have like, I would have just enjoyed her being a bit dirty. She's in like a white, like Dorothy Perkins wool coat. Sure. Okay. Yeah. It's like incredibly bland against everything else that was going on.

That's probably the only thing like I criticize costume wise. Everything else is gorgeous. It's beautiful to watch. It's beautiful to look at. Yes. Yes, it is. And occasionally gore and teeth eyes. You can understand why I've been kind of worried about watching it while

eating after the episode. That's not really, that's not really your cup of tea. I'm really weird about things like to do with eyes. Yeah. Like, do you remember after I'd watched event horizon? Didn't like that. Yeah. Anyway, speaking of not having my laptop at the discord con,

I went to the discord con last weekend. You did. You did. You went to Birmingham. I went to Birmingham. I felt like this is a good point for helicopter and loincloth watch. I did see a fair few loincloths, not many helicopters. Weirdly.

We were inside. And we were inside. That is very true. You saw loincloths there, did you? There was some amazing costumes. You're telling me you didn't get decent footage from the weekend? No, because I was mostly, so I went basically to help Mark Burrow sell selling his book.

So I did spend most of it sat behind the table in the dealer room. Trying to remember. Now, otherwise we'll be accused of being colluders or something. People propaganda spreading Terry Fratjits history. Let's keep explaining to people like I read the book before we became friends. So I'm not biased when I say it's good. But yeah, it was really fun. Like I said, costumes.

Amazing. A sort of couple of incredible cone in the barbarians. I saw someone do full death, complete with blue LEDs in their mask. My costumes by comparison were very hastily thrown together from stuff I already had lying around because I couldn't do it. Hastily. Hastily. Pastily.

I spray my ankle the week before the con. So I couldn't do any sewing, which also meant I probably didn't get to do it. What? You sprained your ankle so you couldn't do any sewing. We extra can't stand up for long enough to be like cutting and measuring. You've got the big bench, haven't you? Yeah. Yeah.

So sewing requires a lot of being on my feet. Like how I kept fit during lockdown. So yeah, that wasn't really an option, but I still had a lot of fun. It was an interesting experience because I've never been to a discord con before. I met lots of really lovely people, which hello, if anyone is listening that found me through the con or just I met at the con. Hi, Karen. Hi, Karen.

Karen is an older friend who also listens to the show who I was very delighted to bump into at the convention. Cool. Yeah. Did you meet many people who listen to the show? No, I didn't meet many listeners, but I've told lots of people about us. Okay, good. Hopefully that'll help.

Hi, new listeners. Hi, new listeners. This is a weird episode for you to start with. Yeah, I know. Yeah. But it was super fun. You still didn't tell us the page numbers. I'm going to do that at the end.

Oh, okay. Right. That'll be part of the outro. Actually, we started the podcast again after like two seconds or after a while because Joanna had left the book in the other room and she wanted to do the page numbers. We're going to do it in the intro. No, outro. That's already page numbers.

Anyway. Yeah. Sorry. This work on. It was fun. I met Colin Smyth, which was very exciting. What's he like? Very, very.

Very nice. Dear listeners, in case we don't know, was the publisher for Toe Pratt. And has a fantastic archive of reviews and things, which I thanked him for on your behalf. Oh, good. Thank you. He was incredibly, incredibly lovely and very polite. I also got to meet Rob Wilkins because he came and did a surprise appearance and had a chat with Rob Wilkins.

I'm going to mark about their respective Pratt chip biographies because Rob is coming out next month. Yes. Yes. Yes. And life with footnotes will be available in September from all good book retailers. And some of the bad ones. And some of the terrible ones, but get it from a nice one.

Yeah. From a nice one. Treat yourself. I think Waterstones have got some. Going somewhere with carpet. Yes. Yes. Go into a bookshop if you can.

It'll be fun. I don't think Browns has carpet. But you know. I feel like it has carpet. Yeah. No, it does. Doesn't it? Oh, it does.

Yeah. We've got quite an old building that does. It used to be off-dickers. Yes. Oh. Slightly off-dickers. Slightly nostalgic British listener. Neesh reference there.

Sorry. Yes. So meeting Rob was very exciting. And like I said, his book's coming out for anyone who was there, much laughter at the phrase polished chickens, which I won't explain because it'll stop being funny. Great. Good. Yeah.

Okay. I feel bad though, because combination of like, I was semi-working and I was in pain from sprained ankle. And I didn't really get to engage in all of the con stuff. And I was also just a grumpy cow for some of it. Good. Well, like, um, we did the gala dinner thing and the pre sort of dinner entertainment guy was, um, Thomas Benjamin Wildesquire, who's the, I've got no fucks to give guy.

That song that went viral like last year, he plays a ukulele in things. I've got no fucks to give. It's quite funny. And like, on other days, I would have probably quite enjoyed that, but I was just stuck on a walking stick in a tight dress. And I was like, I can't be in the room with a ukulele and someone shouting. I'm sorry, dude. Everyone else is really enjoying it.

I'm going to find a smoking area. You own a ukulele. I've seen it. Yeah. But I never played it on the podcast. I can't. It's fine. I don't play it.

It's just for display. That's less wonky. It's not even on display. It's like hidden in a corner. It's my shame ukulele title. I'm coughed at the same time. If I say like, I'm being slightly unkind to Joanna, it's because I am, because I'm very envious of her going and then not enjoying it.

I did enjoy some of the stuff. It was, it was a slightly weird vibe though. Like there was less Terry Pratchety stuff than I was expecting. Oh yeah. Yeah. Like, I only made it to one of the panels I wanted to go to because one of the, the diversity on Discord panel I couldn't go to because Mark was on it. So I had to manage book table.

Sure. Also, record these panels. No, they keep everything right in house at it. Like I went to a panel that seemed really interesting is about the necessity of evil in storytelling. And it was Ben Aranovich and Jodie Taylor. I didn't get to see that one. Yes, I did manage to see that one.

Oh, I'm glad. But it was very weird. Like none of the writers really like brought up Terry Pratchett, which I know that they're not Terry Pratchett, but I would have thought at a Discord convention, like there's so much there you could talk about. For sure. Yeah. So stuff like, and also like Terry Pratchett didn't get mentioned in the closing ceremony.

Yeah. Which again, I just thought was like, isn't that kind of a bit why we're all here? Yeah. But for all that, it was fun. It was really friendly space. It was a really queer friendly space as well, which was really nice to be around. Good. Properlies and everything.

Properlies. Properlies. I could be outwardly say it was non-binary and people would not assume that I still go by she, which I know I still do a lot, but it's nice. Oh, and we've ended up, there were also a couple of late nights, nerds can drink. Who knew? Yeah. Well, playing werewolf is very fun.

It was like the Sunday night. It's this great little card game. I guess it's a bit of tradition to play it at the concert. Again, it was my first one. But we ended up playing it in the bar and it's like, everyone gets like a face down card. Some people are villagers. Some people are werewolves.

It's the best game I've ever played that involves lynching. You will argue around the table about why someone should have to die first, which was not the game to be playing while wearing a red shirt. Oh, yeah. But I did survive that one. That was really fun. But that was, that was the Sunday night where it was very much like, oh, it's 2 a.m. Okay.

Definitely bedtime because Monday traveling and then someone came and was like, oh, we've got someone's not now TV with a projector. We're going to watch the House of the Dragon now. Do you want to? What? Yeah. Obviously. I'm going to go and watch that and then have a lot of loud drunk opinions about it for

an hour afterwards. Oh, you should have called. No, you shouldn't. It was 2 a.m. You should. I would have liked to hear your loud drunk opinions. I watched it again because I was going to start some discussions right to us. I've read it and I thought I'm going to watch it again and see if my opinions are the same.

You know, watching it not at 2 in the morning after a few gin and tonics and no, no, they haven't changed at all. Okay. I thought, I thought so. Generally, generally, your, your TV opinions are still very coherent after a few gin and tonics. They're just louder. Mm hmm.

Yeah. So speaking of TV, I get all my TV opinions. Listeners, although not always after gin tonics. I'm trying to spare half anymore because you drink rather fewer of them than you did when we were both in off hub days. Slightly. I can't afford to drink that many of them anymore. In this economy.

Gin and tonic in this economy. Alcohol jackets may feel real listeners, but they are not. Truth-heating. Yes. No. All right. Talk about your... Listeners, this is a conscious effort.

I think we're not going to talk about the fucking shit news around everywhere at the moment because it's a holiday episode. But if you are struggling, we are... We see you and we love you all. And, you know, feel free, write in, complain, gripe, write on the Reddit. As much as you'd like. Yeah. But happy things.

But. Tell me, tell me, tell me about the House of the Dragon. Okay. I don't have now TV. Yes. Spoiler free review. If you want my spoiler filled review, I was procrastinating. So I wrote a whole essay on it and posted it in the subreddit.

I did not edit that essay. So I don't know. I could see that. Yes. Look, I'd procrastinated enough by writing nearly a thousand words on it. I wasn't going to procrastinate more by editing. Oh, which I can tell listeners what I was procrastinating. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Before we do television, actually, Diana, a notable precursor to television was books. Yes. Yes. And now... Have you got any news related to books so that we do this in the right order? Actually, to be fair, books sometimes are now written about television. Gosh, a double segue.

A double segue, which these two I can now properly announce because I've signed a contract and everything that I'm writing a book, Friends and the Golden Age of American sitcom. I have no idea what the release date will be because I haven't written the bucket yet. But she started and I've read some and it's good. Thank you. Thank you. So early 2024, you will probably hear me bang on about it on the podcast because I'll be begging you all to pre-order it so we look good.

Are we still doing the podcast by 2024? Yes. Did we work out the end date of this? Yeah. That's on our to-do list. Yeah, yeah. We'll talk to you about that after while we're not recording. To-do list, write book, finish spreadsheet.

Got it. This spreadsheet will never die, Francy. This spreadsheet is a term on it. Yes. Yes. A book is coming. A book is coming. A book is coming.

And was it called Friends Era? Friends and the Golden Age of American sitcom. Yes. Cool. And it's going to cover like it's using like Friends as like a framework, isn't it? For lots of people. Yeah. It's going to be like a season by season breakdown, not just looking at friends, but then looking

at everything else that was happening in TV around it. The other sitcoms that were around and what it did to the sitcom landscape. All the stuff I really love talking about because I really love talking about telling. You do. We have quite a lot of readers, listeners of a writing persuasion, I think. Yes. Tell us what's it been like to start writing a book? Are you enjoying the process?

It's kind of intimidating because I wrote a full, very well researched, if I say so myself, sample chapter to as part of the book proposal to get the book deal. And then they went, yes, absolutely. And then we went back and forth and agreed on a deadline. And then suddenly I went, oh God, there's a deadline. I've actually got to write an entire fucking book. So it kind of very quickly went from exciting to terrifying. But now I've actually...

They're all together on the spectrum. Those emotions, yeah. But now I've actually cracked on with it. I've scheduled everything I need to do for the next slightly less than a year. My deadline's the end of July. And now I know what I need to do to write the book. And I've started on the next... Because the sample chapter was chapter two, which is centered around season one of Friends.

So now I'm cracking on with it. It's less intimidating and now incredibly exciting because I get to have opinions for 70,000 words. Yay. I'm trying not to think about that word count too much. I'm very, very, very proud of you. With your book deal. I'm very excited. I can't believe I got a book deal.

It's very cool. It is. Very cool and good. As soon as I know when it's coming out listeners, you will also know. Because I won't shut up about it. It's true. I'm going to be really obnoxious. That's okay.

You're allowed. I think I'm allowed. I doubt it. Authors are known for it. Yes. That's not fair. That's not fair. Sorry to any authors listening to this.

Yeah. So quick TV opinions because we are in content. Mageddon right now. House of the Dragon. Libfix. Sorry. Throw a Libfix in there. Dragons.

Dragons. Dragons. Dragons. House of the Dragon. House is full of them. My spoiler free review is that there is a really. This is Scream of Thrones prequel, right? Yes.

This is about 200 years before the events of Game of Thrones. 172 to be very precise. And it is the build up to the first season is going to be the build up to the Dance of Dragons, the big Targaryen civil war, which is fun. It is an interest, promisingly interesting story. Good. And there's lots of lore within our stuff. And you know, I'm a sucker for that kind of thing.

But it's not very well told in the first episode. There's just, there's so much it really needs. Like that episode could have been to maybe three episodes. Everything just needs a lot of room to breathe that I don't think it's getting. Is it a weekly release type thing? Yeah. So I think it's promising. But I think what the story that they're trying to fit into the first season would

have even been better spread over two seasons potentially. But I don't know what they're going to put in the rest of the episodes. And maybe that's just a very problem with the opening episode thing. It's definitely made for people who have like read or seen Game of Thrones. Like I wouldn't say it's one for newbie fans to start with. I've read the books, but obviously they don't go as far in the story as the TV series do. Do you reckon it's still.

I think you'll still enjoy it. Yeah. George R. R. Marsden is also a lot more involved in this. And he wasn't really involved with the later seasons of Game of Thrones. So I think it's going to build towards more the book lore than the TV show lore. Okay. Cool.

There's a big like lore reveal at the end of the first episode, which I won't spoil what the reveal is, but I think it would have been better left as a mystery for an episode or so just because fans would have been rabid about, Oh, what does it mean? What was he going to say? There's a particular prop he's got his hand on. And is that meaningful?

And I see. I see. I love me a reveal. I'll probably enjoy it. Fine. I have little to no delayed gratification. But yeah. No, I think it's got the potential to be a good show.

I'm excited about it. Matt Smith is despite the fact she's wearing the stupidest fucking wig. He is amazing in it. What is he? He's a Daemon Targaryen. One of the contenders for the Dying Throne, because it's all about who gets to sit on the big spiky chair. Spiky chair.

Big spiky chair. Quickly other TV stuff also very helped for very much enjoyed She-Hulk, which is two episodes in and just a fucking delight. Good. I say it's one of the most like accessible TV shows Marvel has done. You don't need a whole bunch of context for other Marvel shows. It's just a really silly fun show with a big green woman. That's nice.

That sounds terrible to me, but I can see why people would enjoy that. Yeah. And I'm also just stupidly hyped for Rings of Power, which is coming out a couple of weeks. Yeah. Me too. Let's get Promo.

Wait. Did I send either? Yes. Did you about the Promo art? Yeah. I thought that was good. Yeah. It's based on different art styles.

Yeah. And Dwarves is kind of more art deco, and Els is more art nouveau. It's very exciting. Also, like I was mildly stressed because this is the third podcast we've recorded in two days, because we did a fun little guest spot on someone else's, which we'll tell you about when we can.

But then I've been listening to the Ring of Earths, which is like the ring is like Nexus feed for all things fandom. And Joanna Roberts is doing like eight podcasts a week to cover all this stuff. So I feel like I'm never going to complain about recording three episodes in two days. Yeah. I mean, all of these have been incredibly low stress ones for

you, I must say. Absolutely. Yes. There is no work has gone into any of this for me. But yeah. So if you're into podcast coverage on that kind of nerdy thing, as I will never convince Francine to do a TV podcast with me, go check out Ring of Earths.

House of Art. They're doing good stuff. Yeah. And apply to be Joanna's co-host for that. No. Don't do that. Don't take away from me. I can do both.

I can multitask. Speaking of podcasts, what have you been listening to? Oh, yeah. So I'm shared TV. As you know, I've been, as I said to Joanna, I fly off BBC, I fly off all of the QI. So that's taken up most of my TV time. I've been slowly watching Severance,

but I won't talk about that yet because I'm not ready. I'm processed. But it's on my to watch this when I finish. I really loved The Mythic Quest. Yay. That was recommended at the end of our last thing, wasn't it? And it was so good. I didn't realise there were only two seasons.

When I start watching anything American, I assume there's going to be about 20 seasons with 20 episodes a piece. So always a bit distressing. But very good, very cool, very funny. Looking forward to more of that if it happens. Yeah, there is another season coming. I'm very excited. But yeah.

So instead, I've been, as usual, listening to lots of podcasts, especially because I'm Jack, as I said, got me like an iPad for my birthday. So I've just been learning to draw on Procreate and listening to podcasts. Yeah. I have been listening, as always, to OmniBus, and you finally have been joining me in doing so.

Yes, I'm really enjoying it. I've been joining listening parties, that's weird. But probably if we were still in quarantine, that wouldn't be a bad idea, but we didn't do that. Yeah, it was the French mother sources episode you sent me that got me into it. I know how to get drawn as in dressed, and it's a good source. Do like a bit of sauce.

But yeah, OmniBus, I must have talked about a million times on the podcast before, but it covers any fucking subject. They can get their hands on. The conceit is that they're talking to a race of futurelings many centuries in the future. Sentient squid or whatever. And they're explaining 20th and slightly before century. So Terrica and 21st century, I suppose, were a while in there now.

Yeah. But yeah. And then other things that I loved that Joanna's finally listening to, Magnus Archives is scared you shitless. Very into the Magnus Archives. Now I listened to like an hour and a half of it while on the train to Birmingham, which was an experience. Are you also in love with John Simmons?

Yeah, very much. So I mean, is he Simms? Simms, sorry, Simms. But not that. Yeah. Jonathan Sims. Jonathan Sims. Jonathan Sims.

Not the guy who was John Sim, who played the master in Doctor Who in the David Tennant era. No, not the same guy. Was he cute? I see it. I remember he was cute. Yeah, he was kind of hot. Yeah.

Anyway, sorry, Johnson. No. Hell of a voice. Hell of a voice, which is why I've been listening to the Magnus Archives to get to sleep, which is kind of counter-intuitive because it's also very horrifying. Yeah. I was referring specifically when I said you were scared half to death

by the time you left your speaker on in the other room. Oh, yeah. Now as I got into bed, I forgot my phone was still connected to my Bluetooth speaker and just something to do with spider eggs that got shouted very loudly from my kitchen. Perfect for the arachnophobe near you. What else have you been listening to? I've been listening to a lot of In Our Time, which is a Radio 4 show,

and another, I fucking, I love Esoteric Fodcast. I love them. Love them. That's why I'm constantly shoe-hornin' trivia into the show. But In Our Time is a Radio 4 show, which again just covers every subject it can, but it always has expert guests on. Melvin Bragg is the host, and I find him particularly fantastic. Well, A, because he's just curious about and seemingly knowledgeable about

everything and he's just a very good interviewer, but also because he always opens the show with like a no preamble. So it'll be something like, hello, if you could hear bats flying through the sky, you would be deafened. Here are our guests. Amazing. It's just, yeah, it's so good. That's as far away from our podcast as you could get.

Absolutely. Yes, anyone who's still listening to us despite hating the tangents In Our Time, very good, although obviously not very, very capping Pratchett. They are quite different, quite different shows, I suppose. Yes. I've also been enjoying the content minds, although they've been on holiday this summer, so they've just put up a few bonus episodes.

They've called it a Dead Platform Summer and had little, little short bonus episodes on stuff like My Space and Vine, which were very... Cool. Good for the nostalgic millennial in us. But the content minds, I don't know if I've mentioned on the show before, just talks about internet-y things, like internet culture things. One of the co-hosts was also a co-host of Internet Explorer, which was one of my very favorite podcasts, very, very, very funny.

Still recommend it, even though it ended a while ago now. And yeah, just lots of very funny cultural bits. I've also been... No such thing as a fish-launched a Patreon, so... Oh, cool. I've been listening to that. They've got some bonus content. That's very cool.

Turning that back in with the TV, actually, I realized watching the early seasons of QI again, because obviously no such thing as a fish, is hosted by some of the writers for QI. Yeah. And I'm just fucking rattling off the answers in old series of QI, and it makes me feel like a goddamn genius. And less hyperbolically does make me a bit reassured that I've remembered somewhere in my head quite a lot of the facts that I've

heard, because if somebody says, oh, it's a cool fact you've learned from that show, I'm like... What? No? What? But if you prompt me specifically, I get it. Nice. Which is nice.

And what else we got? What else we got? Bedrock USA. Bedrock USA, yeah, which is a completely separate thing. Obviously, completely separate. Very different in that it is a documentary series that talks about extremism and small-time USA and political divide, and it talks about one town that ended up with a QAnon supporting mayor, and another town

that had this right-wing coup of the local government. It's a very interesting, cool depressing, obviously, so time it well. Yeah, listen to your own mental health risk. And I've just started listening to a podcast called Blackbox Down, which is all about air disasters. Oh, but I'll help you sleep. Well, you know, there's no way of saying this doesn't make me sound

like a psychopath. You know, I like learning about air disasters. I find them very interesting. I think there are a very good framework on which to hang general commentary about risk management and the human era that leads to tragedy, and I won't start on that right now. But anyway, it seems like a good, very, very prolific podcast about air disasters for you.

Amazing. And that's all I've got. Also, shout out just on radio stuff. I can't remember if I've already mentioned this in the podcast, but Andrew O'Neill did a very funny, I think like five-episode radio for sitcom called Down, Andrew, that you can still get on BBC Sounds. So I recommend that. It's very funny.

Oh, and does it Island Desk Wilders back? Yeah. Seriously, I started saying. Welcome back, Al. Hi, Al. If you're listening. Cool. Well, speaking of podcasts, we have one that has been on holiday.

Yes. But we'll be coming back properly to everyone's ears very soon. I'm going to read a whole book now. Yeah, but spread over three weeks. In fact, we will be back on your ears on the 5th of September. Remember, remember the 5th of September. Because that's when the podcast comes out. We're talking about thief of time.

Obviously, I feel like I shouldn't need to say this, but that will be part one of the time. Yes, we won't. We're not going to do it. If we were going to be complete twats about it, we could do the middle to go with the time travel, but we won't do that. No.

I'm going to struggle. We'll be hurting us as much as we were hurting you. And I'm going to struggle with the time travel anyway. All right, you've got me here. You got me here. I like a bit of time travel. I like a bit of time travel. Doesn't mean I understand it.

The last time we talked about it. I am the wind. Do not presume to know me. Sorry. So part one. Word. Yeah. Part one begins at the beginning of the book

and continues chronologically within the book through page. We're not going to do like 10 pages from part one and then like three pages from part two. No, no, we're going to go in a straight-ish line all the way to page 153 in the Corgi paperback. Part one ends with the line. This was a timeless moment of perfect balance. Yeah.

Tick. This was a timeless moment of perfect balance. Thank you. And I will tweet a picture of that before next Monday, maybe. Okay. You've got the both of you now. Take a picture of it. All right.

Yeah. Let me out. I'm going to watch you. So that's us for now. We'll be back on September the 5th. Very much looking forward to talking about this. I think I'm going to enjoy it. I have enjoyed this book a lot more than in the past.

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