The Tucker Carlson Show - Aaron Rodgers: Epstein’s Death, Psychedelics, Fake Vax Cards in the NFL, and Pat Tillman

Episode Date: May 14, 2024

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We are honest brokers here to tell you what we think you need to know and do it honestly. Check out all of our content at TuckerCarlson.com. Here's the episode. We've never done anything in here before. This is actually our dining room table, as you know. You had dinner here last night yeah and um you cleared a bunch of stuff out though right we just moved the chairs out but we actually i mean this is our family dining room uh so and i just thought i don't

want to be in a studio anymore yeah studio is right there studio's right there it's like tiny and there's something i've been in it my whole life all right let me just i just got to ask you about this this is like thank you for dinner last night by the way thank you that was amazing that was really special i don't know how you got home it was like that was pretty bad right lexi got me right oh you're wandering around in a t-shirt in the freezing cold okay this is just i just okay so i asked him to pull a bunch of news stories i've been a little bit out of it uh this is from the guardian scientists have created a vaccine that has the potential to protect against a broad range of coronaviruses including varieties not yet known about the experimental shot which has been tested in mice so so it's a vaccine that doesn't protect you against anything specific but just against

kind of like everything that might happen to you supposedly yeah what just leaving the science aside but it's a pure kind of like marketing question if you you're, and I'm going to see who makes this, I guess they're all the same, but some company makes this. If you're the company making this, do you really think people are going to be up at this point for a vaccine that just has no real purpose, but just like kind of for the sake of a vaccine? Because it's- Today?

Yeah, today. No, I don't think so. Do you think a single person will buy that? Yeah, for sure. There'll be some people. There, I don't think so. Do you think a single person will buy that? Yeah, for sure. There'll be some people. There's just so much fear still. I mean, people are scared still. I think there's a swath of the population.

There's still people driving around in masks. Yeah. No, that's true. And I try not to be judgmental because I think, of course, I'm very judgmental. I think they're mentally ill. But then I feel, you know, I've known a lot of friends, family members are mentally ill, so I try to think I should feel compassion for them. I have a lot more compassion for them, actually, and empathy.

And I've been strong against the vax, against mandates, against lockdowns, against all of it. I think the last few months I've been looking at things a little bit differently, and I think it's time for a lot of us to maybe adjust some of the approach that we're doing. I mean, it obviously hasn't worked. We've been trying to wake people up

I think with the studies that are out there now. Exactly. All the time. With the articles, with the change in stances by everybody from Chris Cuomo on down who have either had vaccine injuries or side effects or just look at things differently. And it's caused me to, I think, have a little bit more empathy and compassion for those people who had a ton of fear, thought they were doing the right thing for themselves, for their friends, for their families, and went through all the mass formation psychosis that we all did. Yes, that's right. Full court propaganda against us and are now going, oh shit, maybe that wasn't the best.

Maybe they lied to us. Maybe they weren't being truthful. Maybe this wasn't safe. Even though they said from the beginning, 100% safe and effective. Everybody from Biden to the head of the FDA and CDC on down, WHO. So I think it's important for us to, if we want to make a difference, which I do, and I don't necessarily want to be way a part of the conversation anymore, is how do we call people um with compassion and kindness that uh just come over to the to the

side of of being awake to what's going on because i think we all need to come to the grips that this could happen again well i think people are you know most people took the vax obviously and what would that feel like if you had that in your body? I mean, it's like the horror movie. It's coming from inside the house. Yeah. I mean, if you had taken the vax, how would you feel right now? You'd be worried.

I would be worried for sure. And then if I was so staunchly for it, and now I'm realizing, oh, I might have endangered myself, my loved ones, my kids, if you force it upon kids like they did. The powers that be pushed it towards all different ages. The studies just came out about the pregnant women

where 44% of the women in the study had miscarriages who were given the vaccine. You know, it's like there's a lot of crazy research that's out right now that would make people feel a lot of shame i think and guilt and i grew up kind of in that culture yes in a different way of where so now you're on it that was a part yeah that was a part of of everyday life was those two feelings and that's a tough way to live so how do we call these people forward to like uh in love and acceptance not forgetting what happened, how we were treated,

how we were canceled. I mean, everybody from yourself to me, to Joe, to mutual friends that we have. But like calling people forward to like step into the truth and that there isn't shame and guilt on this side, which I think our side, justifiably at times

because of the way we were treated, feels like we need to kind of get some get back. I totally agree with you. But at some point, I was talking with Joe about this kind of off camera at Rogan, but like how do we kind of bring everybody back on the same side? Because this has been very divisive and everything in our culture now is so divisive. Yes. But how do we get people more aligned on the same page? And I think it's only with love and

compassion and forgiveness and and uh you know i admit yeah i've been very combative about this because i was attacked personally a lot of times when you're attacked you want to just fucking fight back i have been too i agree of course but it hasn't it hasn't really accomplished what i want to accomplish like i'm in my mind my ego is like well i'm going to be able to convince these people that they were wrong. And you throw the science back at them and you think somehow that's going to matter? Like the people who talk about science all day actually care about science? Not at all.

Of course, that has no effect. I mean, how has it been for you? Because you were one of the first to talk about it all the time on Fox. And actually that's what made me tune in every night was like, what's Tuck going to say to me? Yeah, they didn't want me to do that. But like there was obviously some cancelization, some shaming, some, you know, I'm sure that may not have been why they let you go,

but it wasn't, there was a lot of people who were- It was a sign of disobedience. And by the way, I didn't want to be disobedient, actually. I didn't want to fight about the facts at all i never but you had all the all the people that end up going on rogan you you had robert malone on there you had andrew kirsch you had pierre corey you had peter mccullough right i mean all these people in the beginning yeah right away because i i just had a doctor from stanford as well of course yeah i had a different understanding. And the doctor from Stanford as well. Of course. I had a different understanding of science, which was that it's not a set of facts.

It's a process. It's a way of thinking. Yeah. And it needs to be questioned. That's the whole point of science. Otherwise, it's propaganda. It's an unending series of questions. We think we know this.

How do we know? It's not so different from what journalism used to be, which is like a process of, it's a process. It's a way of thinking, it's skepticism, polite, reasonable skepticism. It's rooted in reason though, in the belief that we can get to the truth or closer to the truth using logic. And that was just abandoned immediately. That was the tell for me.

I know nothing about vaccines. I still don't really know much about vaccines, but I know a lot about people. And I saw people saying things like, just shut up and do it because it's science. And then I thought, well, that's the opposite of science. And I also got a very sinister vibe right away, just on my gut level. I was like, I don't know what this is. I'm not doing that. And now there's my family. But the weird thing is, that's why I so appreciate what you just said, is I don't really know that many people who got vaxxed i don't live in a vaxxed world at all um my kind of people given where i live and the people i like and how

i spend my free time like they're not people who got the back so i don't spend really any time with people who would defend that and i think i need to think much more about it and realize like all of us live in our tiny our own tiny little worlds and we think we're mainstream, but we're not. And through the algorithm, we're in an echo chamber whether we want to be or not. That's exactly right. Because that's what we're seeing. No, it's totally right. Someone said to me the other day, maybe it was you, do you know anyone who didn't get

the vax who's upset he didn't get the vax? Yeah. Does anyone regret that decision? No. No. Right. Not one person ever. But people who did get the vax really does anyone regret that decision no no right not one person ever but people who did get the vax really which is why i love what you said i think they do regret it and i think that when you're doing something wrong you're very defensive about it

i used to smoke cigarettes and they tried to make me feel shame for smoking cigarettes and i would always like smoke a cigarette in public like yeah i'm smoking a cigarette yeah because i sort of knew you're not you shouldn't smoke cigarettes not good for you but i got my hackles up and i was more aggressive was you like a cigarette would your child like a cigarette i mean i sort of wound up being that way you know what i mean because i knew what i was doing was wrong yeah and don't you feel like that's part of what's going on here i think there's a there's a big swath that's like that. There's the other swath that goes, I did this because you told me to do this,

and this was mandated. And now you're walking back all those things you said to me back then. Now there's some anger. So there's the whole population that's like, I'm going to keep doing this, and I'm going to wear my mask in public, and I'm going to get another booster

in your fucking face, right? And then there's the other group that's like, I know I did this to keep my job to like keep from being canceled, to keep you off my back. And now you're going to walk back and say, you didn't say it was safe and effective. And you didn't say I wouldn't get or, or I wouldn't acquire or transmit COVID.

Like you're like, what do you mean? You're now you're changing history. That's the only reason I got it. You said this is the only way to be safe and there was no side effects and that was all that's not bullshit that was all stuff that was said and there's videos out there you can check out so there's there's that side of the population it's like hold up hold the fuck on like you said all this stuff now you're walking this back that's how i feel you know and then there's the other set that that

doesn't want to engage at all that did it and now has a lot of fear around it a lot of shame around it and so i think two of those three groups of people we can kind of like bring in you know there's compassion and kindness there's compassion and kindness for the person that's still wearing a mask too especially that person and i can't relate to that type of fear but i understand what it's like to be scared of things and just the fear to to feel like you still have to do that like that's a really shitty place to live so like showing compassion and kindness and it's like to be scared of things and just the fear to feel like you still have to do that, like that's a really shitty place to live. So like showing compassion and kindness, and it's easy to make fun of those type of people

when you're on the way other side, but like what does that actually accomplish? If we want to come together more, and look, I'm guilty of it at times, for sure, but like I'm tired of that. I don't want to be a part of that anymore. I want to be a part of bringing people together. I so strongly agree with that.

When was the last time you saw a national leader try and calm people down about anything ever? No. Yeah. I would love it if somebody in elected office or with a lot of influence nationally were to stand up and say, let's start with what we know, we're all going to die,

probably terrified and alone, so that we know we're going there. So in light of that, why are we afraid of anything, actually, given that our fates are all sealed? Like, doesn't that liberate us? I think so, and I think that's a great place to be. You know, like, when you step into this, you personally, when I'm talking about you, when you stepped into this realm,

you know, you were the number one anchor at the number one show nightly and the stuff you were taking on and then the way that you were ousted there and then you go to x and you're the fucking you know the interviews you're doing the numbers you're going then you go and interview putin like you're putting yourself in in harm's way you know like and and and i commend you just like i commend bobby kennedy because there's there's bobby said recently there's a lot worse things than dying that's for sure and i commend you as i commend bobby like there's something to standing up for what you believe in and and and doing your job you're doing old school i hate to say but old school journalism where you're just

well i am old i am old all of a sudden but unfortunately like but when you go into that it's just to piggyback off what you just said like I don't know this personally but I know that you must have a relationship with death where you realize that it's inevitable and you know I'd rather like live the way I want to live

stand for what I believe in than like live in the fear that something could happen to me I'd rather be a free man in my grave. So of course, yeah. And by the way, I have the massive advantage of having grown children. So when you have little kids at home, and I haven't had a very adventurous or dangerous life, but a couple of times, one time in particular, I was pretty sure I was going to die and I had little kids at home. And I was in a plane crash. And I remember as it was going down, I was like, oh my gosh, they're not going to thrive if I die. I mean, that really terrified me.

But now that they're grown, it's like, I am going to die. So this we know, and I meditate on that a lot. I don't think it's morbid. I think it's liberating. And so then you realize, what are you going to do to me? I'm not afraid at all. And I mean that. You may have come to the obvious conclusion that the real debate is not between Republican and Democrat or socialist and capitalist, right, left. The real battle is between people who are lying on purpose and people who are trying to tell you the truth. It's between left. The real battle is between people who are lying on purpose and people who are trying to tell you the truth. It's between good and evil.

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The people who called for the death of the unvaccinated, that's kind of the category that's harder for me to, people like Jimmy Kimmel, for example, who famously said- Sean Penn as well. And Sean Penn as well, who I know actually and sort of like, but what, what, I like him less after hearing that. What, how do you treat people like that who wanted you

to die? Dr. Fauci said that if hospitals get any more overcrowded, they're going to have to make some very tough choices about who gets an ICU bed. That choice doesn't seem so tough to me. Vaccinated person having a heart attack? Yes, come come right on in we'll take care of you unvaccinated guy who gobbled horse goo rest in peace wheezy you're i think you've framed that in the right in in the right place like there's um uh you know there's a great mashup that rogan talked about a few times where there's all these different shows and it said brought to you by pfizer anderson cooper brought to you by Pfizer. Anderson Cooper, brought to you by Pfizer. It's an amazing one. I think you have to realize that it's all about the money.

And as you get into this, you read Bobby's book about the rare Anthony Fauci, you realize if you want to know what's really going on, not just in big pharma, but in government, is follow the money. And even in the NFL, I mean, there was a strong push. They sent stooges out to every team to try and enforce a vaccination level above 90% on every team with zero exemption, with zero informed consent. Just get this so that we look good because big pharma ad spend is humongous, not just on the late night shows.

It obviously influences Hollywood, the NFL. So you have to understand who is actually pulling the strings here. I was talking to a Navy SEAL friend of mine the other day who just got out of the Navy. And like professional athletes, I mean, these are the last people who needed the VACs. And so there was this intense push to make them all get the VACs. He left the Navy over it.

But he said most of his friends on the SEAL team he was on did not get the VACs, they got fake VACs cards because they knew they're very in touch with their physical health. They're SEALs, not so different from an NFL player. How many NFL players actually got the VACs? Do you have any idea? I don't have any idea. I know that I'm sure that there was plenty who got fake cards.

I feel like there's know, there's, I think there's a base level of hesitancy around just the big pharma, medicine in general, when you're black. Well, I was about to say, it's like 70% black. To their great credit, a lot of black guys are like, no way.

Yeah, and based on the history, I think it's warranted. Totally fair. If you know any of the history about some of the human experiments that went on and ridiculous things in some of those communities. If you know about, uh, you know, what's gone on in foreign countries as well with some of these vaccines, uh, predominantly, uh, places like Africa. Oh yeah. Um, where people have been maimed and killed and paralyzed by these vaccines, many of which are not actually approved anymore in the States,

get sent over to Africa. Again, that's a reference to something that Bobby talked about in his book about Fauci. There's a lot of interesting chapters around that. So on a base level, there was a lot of hesitancy, like I don't think this is – I'm going to do this. But in the NFL, it was like if you're working for a team, there was no choice.

It was get vaxxed. If you're a player, there was a choice. But if you chose not to get it, then you had a whole different set of rules. You had to wear a different colored armband. You couldn't go to a restaurant. You couldn't spend time at somebody's house and when three people were there.

You couldn't go anywhere on the road you you had to test every single morning and not enter the building until you got a negative back that all went away once the once the playoffs happened because of course they didn't want to ruin the money at that point and all the testing went away but oh there was a playoff exemption for the disease yeah now i Now, I got to ask, if they're making you wear a colored piece of clothing, since all of us grew up in the United States where World War II is the kind of only historical event we learn about, forcing a small despised minority to identify itself

with a yellow piece of clothing, it seems kind of resonant. Did anyone at the NFL say maybe not a good idea to force people to wear yellow armbands if they weren't vaxxed? I don't think they cared. I don't think they cared. I think they just wanted to hit their numbers. So we look like Nazis, but we don't care.

Yeah. I mean, when the Stooges came and talked to us, I asked a lot of questions about informed consent, about testing, about liability. And he basically didn't answer any of my questions. The president of the team ended the meeting. And I'll tell you, a ton of people from every level of the building came up afterwards and thanked me for asking the questions because many of them had no choice. Just get vaxxed or lose your job. And there are certain coaches around the league who quit because they didn't want to get vaxxed.

I'm sure there may have been fake cards that went around. I hope so. And we also know there was many batches that were super toxic and deadly and many batches that were perhaps saline and didn't cause any adverse effects. But the interesting thing around vaccines- Can I ask you a question? So do you think that the drug makers knew that they were giving out saline vaccines? Oh, I don't know.

I mean, that's a pure conjecture. I think there's, I have read things about the amount of vaccines that went out wouldn't have been possible to produce that to that level. So there may have been some knowledge around that. But again, that's just conjecture, and I don't have any specific evidence on that. I'm not an expert at that, but I am an expert at my body and what goes in it and how I feel about that. But yeah, you know, the whole thing has been a real interesting thought experiment in action around like what people are willing to put up with, how you can control through fear and how obedient someone will be.

Because remember what was going on on all the networks. You had the live death tolls that were taking up as you watch the TV you had the live case numbers you had just the fear-mongering and then anybody that stood up to it was cancelled I mean all the Twitter files I got released when Elon took over that show the collusion between the alphabet companies that you know control a lot of stuff, and the old people with X, what was going on at Facebook and the censorship, and all these true experts in it,

the Robert Rons, the Peter McCulloughs, the Bill Corys, all these different people who stood up, the Alex Berenson who said, tried to just get the message out, we're silenced and censored. I think a person with any level of common sense, even if they got the vaccine, would go, that's kind of weird.

Why are we silencing all dissenting opinions? When in the history of the world has a censorship ever been done by the good guys? The good guys are the ones doing the censorship. That actually doesn't happen. What are you scared of? You're scared of people being able to make up their own mind? Yeah.

And you see it on bobby just released the video 30 minute video and uh about it about who he is that got censored by facebook which is just wild i mean they're censoring the election stuff which we know has gone on would you know the cambridge analytica if you've watched that documentary about what happened um it is just pretty wild that The world that we live in where there's the idea of even free speech and what is it is called into a question all the time. I just read an interesting book that was written a few years ago called The Coddling of the American Mind. And it basically is talking about what's going on at college campuses, which we're seeing now, all this outrage and different things that started post-2016 when Trump got elected, when campuses felt like they needed to create safe spaces because

speech is violent. Certain types of rhetoric is actually violent. So we're vilifying the opinions now and we're canceling people based on what they believe and and that's a slippery slope to go down whether you cancel somebody who's um you know a super racist or or or uh you know against an opinion that you believe in like none of that actually works ignoring the shit you don't want to listen to and or be a part of is one thing but like picking and choosing what to censor is a very slippery slope and you being in the media you know how important it is to get people on all different sides. Well, you can't have democracy if people can't say what they think. But democracy in general, I mean,

this country was founded as a constitutional republic. Yes. Which empowers the civil liberties. You know, democracy is always- Well, you can't have self-government unless people are not slaves, unless they're free. But you know, I know, democracy always falls into fascism and tyranny and ultimately dictatorship.

Unfortunately, I'm aware of that. And that's where we're at now. Why do you, oh, I'm aware. Why do you think that is? Why do you think democracy, and a lot of 19th century sort of free-minded people in Europe looked over at what was happening in the newly minted United States and said that's going to become a dictatorship ultimately. Why do you think that happens? I think there's a lot of reasons. entitlement is a big part of our society that has been a cancer for us because people believe that their opinion is more important than somebody else's opinion. It was weaponized against people who chose

not to get the vaccine. People would say, your freedom isn't more important than my fucking right to live. But I think that ultimately and my fucking right to live. But I think that ultimately it creates too many voices that are all about division. So there's a true democracy where every vote matters, means that all of us are important to the whole. But when democracy spirals out of control and entitlement is the common thread through it, then nobody believes that your opinion matters as much as their opinion. And it goes into a straight egotistical narcissistic view, which ultimately leads to some sort of fascism some sort of tyrannical stuff and

and when it's weaponized by the people in control who control the messaging in the media control the food supply control the water supply you're fighting a losing battle. It does feel that way. And it feels like both of us grew up in a country that was outwardly focused on it. Its enemies were outside its borders, right? I mean, I grew up during the Cold War. Enemy was the Soviet Union or China. Pick a country we were at odds with. It does seem like all the energy that the federal government musters against its enemies is being mustered against its enemies is being

mustered against american citizens like we're the enemy that's the way it feels to me yeah i was i was at the kentucky derby this last weekend and they were swearing in some new uh recruits to uh i think join the army and so uh they had them repeat uh repeat after the you know sergeant or whatever it was who was swearing them in. And I just was stuck with that one line that protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Yes. I was like, and I said kind of domestic out loud because I was like, are we forgetting that one?

Because there's a lot of domestic people in this country who actually don't love America, who actually don't wanna see us who actually don't, um, don't want to see us thrive. I'm super patriotic. I think it's because my grandpa fought in the second world war, was a prisoner of war and believed in freedom and fought for it and lost many friends. He was in the air force who were at Pearl Harbor and, you know, was flew many bombing, uh many bombing missions over, you know, to try and liberate the French and Polish people there over in Europe and almost lost his life for it and lost a lot of friends and believed in this country and the freedoms that he was willing to fight and die for. And so that's what I grew up in, you know, and I love this country and I want to see it thrive. And I think there's a lot of people that don't give a shit about it. And if you look at some of the policies, how does it make any sense to have, you know, open borders, to have non-secure elections, to have, you know, the lobbying that we have in Washington where, you know, the pharmaceutical companies, the big ag, the big everything controls the policy of the policymakers.

You have people in Congress and the Senate who go right from their duties to these huge profitable jobs or speaking engagements and pick a swath of the economy, whether it's banking or ag or military defense or whatever it is, and everybody's in everybody's pocket. And then you create these bills that have 40 different things in it, and we're spending billions of dollars to Ukraine and billions of dollars to Israel and billions of dollars to these college campuses. There's just a lot of issues right now that seem really un-American. And I think there's a lot of red-blooded Americans. People are like, how can Trump have such support? Well, people are fed up with it and he speaks the rhetoric of like

taking back you know making America great again and stuff my thing is he had four years to do it and didn't drain the swamp and whether he just got scared because of what he learned when he was in there I think it's very plausible um but that's why I was interested when Bobby came to me and said would you think about being my running mate? And I said, are you serious? I said, I'm a fucking football player. But I love this country, and I'd love to be a part of bringing it back to what she used to be.

There's a great – Did you think about it? Oh, yeah, I thought about it. I definitely thought about it because I love Bobby, and I just wanted to hear what he had to say about it. There's a great opening scene of one of my favorite shows called Newsroom. Do you ever see the opening scene with Jeff Daniels? Jeff Daniels, he's an anchor for a news station.

He must be a good person. And there's a panel. Yeah, great person. And he gets asked this question, why is America so star-spangled great? What makes America so great? Somebody says, democracy. And somebody says, freedom. And he doesn't want to answer the question. He says, the preamble of the Constitution is the greatest piece of written material ever,

something like that. And then he goes, no, I'm not going to let you off like that. You got to give me an answer. And he goes in this three-minute monologue about how America is not the greatest country anymore. He talks about the literacy rates and math rates and reading rates and we spend more than the next 25 on the defense spending. But at the end he said, America is not the greatest country anymore, but it could be. And he talks about what it used to be. And we used to dream big dreams and build incredible buildings and great technology and different things it's like it's super patriotic like and that starts the whole show out where he gets kind of canceled for this or he gets put on display like oh my god like this guy is willing to like tackle some of the big the big issues in this country and like keep it real and i think that's what that that resonated with me because i'm like yes like what used to make america great like how can we get back to that and that's why i love people

who want to stand up for what they believe in like yourself and and the stuff you would talk about on your show was was uh yeah but that's my job no no but nobody else is doing that though you know yeah but that's because they're cowards they're cow town tootalented. Well, yeah, I get it. But we're a country of cowards now. People are not willing to stand up for or stand up to the people that are in charge. There's not many people. Well, I know them and I have such contempt for them. I mean, they're not even good at fascism. That's, I guess, my final analysis.

They're not even good at this. What was it for you? Were you just like, fuck it. Like, I'm going to say what I want to say. Were you always like that? Or was there something that broke? Yeah, I've always been that way. But there had to be something where you're like, okay.

Because you talked about JFK, you know, and the CIA being a part of his death. We were talking about this last night at dinner, which was so interesting. I mean, you're a professional athlete. This is not your day job. It is my day job. I've lived in Washington for 35 years. And I didn't really quite, I mean, I had lots of opinions,

all kinds of opinions, but they were sort of aligned with the political party, and I didn't ever question any of the basic assumptions that I had. You know, people would say, oh, Roosevelt knew that the Japanese were going to attack Oahu

in December of 1941. I was like, you must be crazy. Well attack Oahu in December of 1941. I was like, you must be crazy. Well, it turns out that's true. It was a Senate inquiry into it during the war that suggested that strongly because it's real. That and a lot of other things. But it took me a long time to even ask those questions. And when I did, I was like, well, then I had to leave the city. I moved out because I was so shocked by it and so distressed by it. But you were saying that, I mean, the real question is not how did I come to that? I mean, I was marinating in that world my whole life. Why did it take me so long is the real question. But how did you,

or on an athletic track, how did you come to these conclusions? That's the more unusual. Well, I think it was a number of things. I always wanted to question what I believed because I felt like it could strengthen that. Yes. And although that wasn't maybe the thought process growing up in the church, there was a lot to just believe this and have faith. Don't ever question it. If you question it, that's doubt, and doubt is a sin. But I was like, I don't know.

I kind of want to question this so I can have it confirmed. Can I just point out that on the cross, as he was being tortured to death, Jesus said, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Right. Jesus said that. So the idea that we- He had some doubt, yeah.

On the cross. Yeah. But I got into. So I think you're allowed to ask questions and have. Well, yeah. But yeah, I kind of gave myself that permission when I was younger. But I did a report my sophomore year in high school on JFK. And I was just kind of super fascinated by his charisma and the Kennedy familyedy family in general yes and then his death

and uh what little i knew about it um and i talked to um some people that maybe didn't believe the warren commission or the official narrative so i did a report on it it was more on jfk because i think we had to pick an influential person from history to report on. So I picked JFK. In high school. In high school. And back then with very limited internet access, I did a lot of research in the library and read a lot of things, read the Warren Commission, a decent amount of it, the Warren Report.

And I was like, there's some bullshit in here. This doesn't make sense. You tell me this magic bullet from this guy went boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, I threw him and then they just happened to find it in some bullshit in here this doesn't make sense you tell me this magic bullet from this guy went boom boom boom boom boom but i threw him and then they just happened to find it you know in the hospital a certain spot i was like that doesn't sound right so that kind of got me into um questioning things conspiracies for sure questioning things i've seen some really interesting uap phenomenons in the sky i've talked about it and i know that's something that you are fascinated by. At the time, I also found a way to see the Zapruder film, which

was very fascinating as well, even though it's super grainy. And that kind of got me into questioning things. And then there's been a lot of really interesting things that have happened over the years. My grandfather, though, he, you know, I didn't get to know him that well, but I do know that he always questioned and believed that Roosevelt knew about the Japanese coming. And that always stuck with him because he, you know, he was super patriotic.

And another one of my heroes, Pat Tillman, who left the NFL to join the Army, his death is very suspicious as well. In that, not the fact we know that he was killed by friendly fire, but the way they handled his body afterwards, his uniform, confiscating his last journal, using his death to prop up the war propaganda. There's been a lot of great people in history who are super patriotic, who've questioned their government, and I think that's what I've done since I was a kid. And pardon my ignorance, I didn't even know that about Tillman's journal.

So that was confiscated by the? His uniform was burned and his journal was confiscated. That's in John Krakauer's book, Where Men Win Glory, which is a fantastic book. And one of my best friends in the entire world, A.J. Hawk, A.J. grew his hair out, him and his buddy, in 2004 as an ode to Pat. Because Pat always had long hair,

played for the Cardinals, left a multimillion dollar contract to go fight Al-Qaeda and Taliban. Gets over there and is like, what the fuck am I doing? I'm guarding these poppy fields. This is not what I signed up for. I miss my wife. I miss being in the States. This is not what I thought we were going to be doing over here.

And then some really negligent maneuvers happened and split up his unit. And he ended up being with one of the members of the Afghani army who was their kind of guide. And a guy saw the guy in some dim lighting on the ridge. He was with Pat. They fired on him. Obviously, Pat and the Afghani thought that they were getting fired on by Taliban, so fired back, and ended up, Pat got killed. His brother was not told right away that it was friendly fire. It's all in the book.

It's a fascinating book. I mean, it's one of the only books I've ever cried reading just because it's so, I mean, John's an incredible writer. He wrote Into Thin Air. He wrote Into the Wild. He wrote Under the Banner of Heaven. I read those three. I never read the Tillman book.

Yeah, the Tillman book is incredible. But I don't know why I'm bringing this up, just that there's so many people that really love this country that have gotten disenfranchised. I think that's part of it. Who've been betrayed by their leaders. Yeah. I mean, for your grandfather, who you said lost friends at Pearl Harbor. Yeah.

And was shot down over Europe and held as a POW by the Nazis. And he, you know, recently there's a gentleman writing a book about me. And he's writing a chapter on him. And he went and found the war crime committee that actually interviewed him after he came back. Because he was mistreated over there. There was one of his, there was a group of of, I think there were 10 people on his bomber. One of the guys ruptured his spleen on the way down, and they mistreated him, made him march like 20 miles in the freezing cold, didn't get him any medical treatment. So there was like a war crimes commission that was doing interviews. So he was interviewed about that. And it talked about kind of how he was treated, how they put worms

in his food and water for certain times and just the bad conditions there. And that's all he went through. He went through all that because he really cared about his country. And I think even up until his death, there was for sure some some bitterness i would guess around what was i actually doing and why was i doing it and who had to die you know my friends at pearl harbor you know for this country that i fucking love that i almost died for that's right um and i think those are the those are the great people that have made this country what it is and we're you, now to even question the government, you're, you're some like right wing conspiracy,

crazy tinfoil hat wear, which is wild because it seems like the left has gone so far left and anybody right of that, there's no center anymore. That's according to the left. You're just, you're a right winger. Unless you're so far on the left,

the left, there used to be a party of Occupy Wall Street. Of course. And free speech and rights for everybody. Now they're the ones beating the drums on the war machine and censorship and obedience. They're not criticizing Wall Street too much, I notice. Yeah.

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positive for covet the whole my whole world changed and people i thought were allies in the media just turned on me um they spammed my uh sponsors you know to the tune of one of my sponsors who's having a hard time keeping me got said they got spammed with 140 million impressions across all social media to get rid of me because of my you know choice about what I wanted to put in my body. They didn't, to their credit. They stuck with me for one more year. One of the sponsors dropped me within a couple days, which is fine.

But yeah, when it came out, whether it was somebody from the campaign or not, released that I was a finalist to be Bobby's vice president, there was a total character assassination. It was a bizarre story from 12 years ago that somebody thought they heard something, that I was questioning something. And what it all comes down to, I think. That was CNN that did that. Yeah, of course. Is I'm not beholden. I have a contract, but I don't, I'm not beholden. I have a contract, but I'm not beholden to anybody. I'm dangerous to them because I speak my mind.

I'm not cliche-ridden, obedient star athlete. I speak my mind. I'm a loose cannon to them. But why? I mean, wouldn't it just be easier to collect the accolades and collect the money and, and just not say what you think in public, keep it for dinner parties.

Like, yeah. I mean, I think a lot of people have done that over the years. Yeah. There's been a lot of great stars who've done that. And I respect that. I think I just,

I love, I love this country and I believe in this country. I believe in people too much to, uh, to just be quiet about things that seem so obvious to me and corruption in any form is, is, uh, you know, should be exposed and the evils in this world that are out there. And, you know, there's good and there's evil and, uh, the powers that be that, uh, that don't want the, the light to shine, the good to, to exist, you know, really push, push things that aren't the best interest of anybody. And I just got tired of, of, uh, of dealing with it. I also, you know, got to a point that Rogan got to, I think, and many other people where I made my money, of, uh, of dealing with it. I also, you know, got to a point that Rogan got to,

I think, and many other people where I made my money. Um, I have a platform. I've had success in my business. What's the worst that you could do to me? Like you could kill me. Yeah. Um, at least I'm not dying on my knees and, um, stand up for what I believe in, whether you agree with me or not, whether you agree with the way I went about it, that's your own opinion, that's fine. But I feel good about the way that I've stood up for myself. And like Bobby said, there's a lot worse things than dying. And I would be dying a little bit every single day

if I didn't say some of the stuff that's on my mind. Now, I do want to like not be a part of the, you know, the war against the people that tried to cancel us. I would rather be a part of bringing people back into the fold and actually building bridges with some of those people. Now there's the evil that exists that I don't care to engage with those people. And they know who they are. Um, most people that have attacked me,

um, that are beholden to big pharma or money or whatever it might be. But, um, I think if there's a chance for this country to keep going and to exist and to not be like the Roman empire and, and fall from a then, and I don't know if that's even possible, honestly, but I think it's got to start with love and compassion and empathy.

And I'd like to be a part of that conversation if possible. I so strongly agree with that. And clearly COVID was used, like race questions have been used, like the trans stuff is being used to divide people and to make them hate each other. Yeah. And that, and you don't want to be a part of that. I don't want to make that worse at all. And I agree with you. I love the country.

And not only do I love it, I'm stuck here, you know, I'm born here. I will die here. So it's my country. That's how I feel. So I don't want it to get worse,

but I do have unanswered in my mind. Like, what was that? I mean, you described, I think the motives of the people that you know, or I know, you know, they were afraid they're just instinctively deferential to power okay that's fine that's all human nature but like big picture that's so crazy what just happened

and the effects on people are so bad and we don't know what the effects could be we certainly don't there's going to be years it It crosses the blood brain barrier. So like, what is this? And it's absolutely fair to ask the question, does it change your DNA? That's not crackpot science at all. And there's some evidence. Well, they admitted early on,

if they'd called this experimental gene therapy, nobody would have taken it. So they called it a vaccine and they changed the definition of vaccine. Like that's not bullshit. That's not conspiracy. That's actually what happened. They literally talked about this i believe is

somebody at the who cdc one of those two you can somebody can check me on that but there's literally a conversation that they were having where they're like well if we'd call this gene therapy you know when maybe we thought it was about five to ten percent of people that might take this but we called a vaccine then that brings in all the potential being canceled as an anti-vaxxer. Because that's what they did to me and you as well. They have this game plan where it's like, we're a name call, anti-vaxxer, anti-Semite, bigot, racist, whatever it might be. We're going to censor you, then we're going to try and cancel you, then we're going to go after the people that you love and care about. And that's kind of how they do it. And so if they call it a vaccine, then all these people who are hesitant to not get canceled, not be shamed by being called an anti-vaxxer are going to get in line to take it.

But big picture, do you have any guess as to like, what is the program here? Like, what is the point of this? Is it depopulation? Because that's its effect, of course. The lockdowns and the vacs depopulate by definition. What you said, massive miscarriage rate, but also just keeping people inside for a year and a half destroys their ability to find a mate, destroys their souls. Immune system, yeah. And its effect on your immune system, exactly. It causes illness.

I think there's some people that, yeah, that want depopulation. Now, there's been video of Bill Gates that people think is taken out of context. But if you look at his track record and what he's done around the world, I don't know that he's a proponent of all all life and uh you know people having uh more kids and and more population on this earth i think he's strongly pro-death from what i can tell i think he's not the only one i think there's a lot of other people uh i don't understand what that motivation is uh why um but i think those are some of the evils that uh that we're up against are you noticing all around, just in your life, are you noticing people begin to make reference

to spiritual forces in a way they didn't say five years ago? Is this my imagination? No, I don't think so. I think that more people are kind of waking up to that. I think people that watched, and there's probably, I don't know, 10, 15, 20 million at least that saw your interview on Rogan and saw you talk about the supernatural component of UAPs. I think that is a good part of the

conversation for people to reference. I grew up in the church and in the church, you know that there's a battle that's going on between the seen and the unseen world, between good and evil, between the powers that we can see and the powers that we can't see. And there's some wild things out there that we don't know about. And there's some government secrets we don't know about. At a bare minimum, whether you believe in alien life, UFOs, UAPs, whatever you want to call it, there's some technology out there that exists that's finally have some sort of disclosure that the government or the powers that be don't think we're ready to be given that information,

which is kind of wild. And I understand that, I actually don't understand it. The thought process is it's going to, you know, change the way that we look at life or religion or whatever. That gets in the whole other idea about religion being as a, you know, a way to control people, control thought maybe, which is pretty wild. But disclosure, I think, needs to happen. It's going to be interesting to see how it happens, where it happens. But in my space where I'm at, where I do a lot of plant medicine,

the veils between worlds and dimensions get very thin. So the idea of seeing other entities, seeing angelic type of beings and demonic type beings is very normal. And the idea that there's a demonic aspect to the UAP phenomenon, I think is very plausible and interesting. I do too. So you say plant-based medicine, I think you refer probably to a lot of different things, but among those would be say ayahuasca or psilocybin mushrooms. So the conventional understanding is that if you take a hallucinogen, you see hallucinations, things that your brain creates that don't exist outside of you. But you're suggesting that you can see things

that are in effect real, but that you don't normally see. Is that what you're saying? Yes, definitely. And I've done, I have many times now and I've had many incredible experiences. Finally feel comfortable talking about it. I wasn't maybe after the first like six times I sat and then I finally said, you know what? Like this has made a huge impact on my life and made me feel more connected to this world and

more loving and more in my heart. And even this last ceremony, group of ceremonies that I did, I think has really helped me with the last four years of my life where I went from a ton of gratitude for the whole process, even though it was tough up and down, and more empathy and compassion for those who've slandered me and canceled me or attempted to. So it's been really important for me and really

deep healing for me. Well, if you wind up with more compassion for your enemies, it's hard to criticize it, because I think that's where we need to be. Well, they also couldn't criticize because the first time I did it, I won an MVP. Then the second time I did it, I won MVP again. So everybody wanted to put me in the like druggie category. Oh, you're just some wild hippie druggie guy.

It's like, yeah, but also I'm better at football probably afterwards and a better leader and better at relating to my teammates. So there's a lot of positive. What does your teammates say? What do they say in general? They're interested, very interested. So many people from all different sports. I'm talking basketball players, tennis players, golfers, baseball players, hockey players. And then my own contemporaries in the league are

all interested about it there's a base level of plant medicine use for the most part i would say it's marijuana um and uh you know people have their own opinions about marijuana uh but uh a lot of people are really interested about the healing effects they can have and the deeper sense of self-love and deeper sense of connection. There's just so many myths about it and misnomers. I like to say and kind of revised my view of that plant medicine because people are like, oh, plant medicine, what is this shit, blah, blah, blah. Medicine is anything that is healing that's not addictive and drugs uh are substances that are addictive and there's a ton of drugs and not all pharma's bad there's

some incredible pharmaceutical stuff that's helped us with um with uh with things that i've used obviously i've had many surgeries and had anesthesia, and I'm thankful for those types of drugs. But medicine and food as medicine has been really impactful for my life. And they're not addictive substances. They're stuff that I like to use with deep reverence in ceremony setting. And it's made a big impact on my life. And the people that know me have noticed the change. People that don't know me, you know, have their shots and their opinions about me. But I do have more empathy and compassion for all those people and for myself too.

And I'm just trying to do my best. And I was fighting a lot of battles, you know, when I tested positive for COVID and got canceled or attempted. And I don't feel like I need to fight as much of those. What about you though? of battles, you know, when I tested positive for COVID and got canceled or attempted. And, um, I don't feel like I need to fight as much, uh, much of those. What about you though? Cause you, you did one of the most controversial somehow, not to me, most controversial interviews in the last, I don't know how long, when you went to Russia and did Putin, how did it feel coming back? Cause like anybody who watched the interview was like number one it was fucking awesome number two putin came off as an interesting thoughtful smart individual and if you've read

1984 you know the base game plan of government control is you have to have an enemy and you have to slander that enemy regardless if you know anything about him and i think a lot of people are like oh putin apologists are like you know you know whitewashing all the stuff that he's done to different people. And I was just like, no, I'd love to see Joe Biden give an interview where he can speak on the history of the United States in the same way that Putin talked about the history of his country. I'd love to see Biden do an interview where he shows how to operate a microwave. And I don't think that's going to happen. And by the way, Biden won't do interviews and neither will Zelensky so far.

But what was it like to come back? You were like in a couple of the places after that. Yeah, I went to the Middle East after that for a while. I mean, I was out of the country for almost a month. So I missed, and I don't ever read about myself anyway, because I know who I am. I don't need someone to tell me. So I missed all of that as I always do. But the idea that someone would criticize an interview where you just let the guy talk for a couple hours, I mean, I just think that's inherently useful. I mean,

I just wanted to do it as a documentary record of what Putin is like, or at least what he's like in this context, and people can decide for themselves. I'm a big believer in letting people decide for themselves. I think adult men have the right to come to their own conclusions about things. Adults have the right to. So I'll never stop believing that because we're not slaves. We can have any opinion we want. And if you don't like it, then try and change it through reason. And if you can't, then fuck you. And I really feel that way. So that's the kind of perspective I had going into Dr. Putin. My perceptions of him are exactly what you just said. I thought he was an interesting guy, smart guy, impressive guy, in some ways, obviously a lot more impressive than Joe Biden,

but he's Russian and he runs Russia and I'm American and I live in America. So I care about my country. I want my leaders to be better. I'm not on Putin's side. I don't have any emotional attachment to any foreign country because I'm not a foreigner. I'm an American and this is the only country I care about. But for the record, yeah, I thought people can watch it and assess for themselves. And they should. It's a fascinating idea. But the idea that you shouldn't be allowed to do that is so crazy to me. I'm just not going to submit to that.

I'm being canceled by the people who have just bowed down and given interviews from their knees to the zielinskis of the world gargling as they interview yes it's wild as this guy comes over and fucking uh an outfit you'd wear to the you know to the store on a sunday morning to ask the congress for another hundred billion dollars is fucking wild he looks like he's going to be in the Village People music video. I mean, it's like insane, the whole thing. It's insane. You do sort of wonder like that and a million other things going on right now. You wonder if they're sort of seeing how far they can push the population

until someone starts laughing. Like, are you joking? It feels like that sometimes. What if we did this? Is anybody going to give a shit? No? Okay, now let's try this one here. We're going to put Joe Biden up and do this.

Wait, what? This guy who can't even walk over here? Shits his pants every now and then? Then we're going to pick the single dumbest but most self-confident person in the entire nation of 350 million people and make her white house press secretary and you have to deal with this every day on your television no i know it's well i'm gonna laugh but the the real question i had for you in in relation to to

freedom of speech and free speech is two two i believe champions of free speech who are now in exile, Julian Assange and Ed Snowden. I know them both. And you've had conversations with them, both people who expose corruption. Yes. And there was attempted murders on both of them. Yes.

Both are alive. Julian is kind of rotting in a cell right now, I believe. Yes. And Ed is in his own exile in Russia. Yes. But thriving, it are alive. Julian is kind of rotting in a cell right now, I believe. Yes. And Ed is in his own exile in Russia. Yes. But thriving, it seems like. Yes. Um, but both people who, um, I have a lot of affection for, just the fact that they would do what they did and, uh, expose what they exposed and knew the consequences.

Um, what do you, how do you feel about, about those two? And do you think there's any path back whether it's uh trump or bobby maybe not even trump because i feel like trump didn't do it but if bobby were to get elected the opportunity to to pardon those people would they come back to the states you think would they well i mean in the case of uh snowden who's stuck, who I like a lot, and as with him and Assange, I don't agree with them on everything. I don't agree with my kids on everything. I don't have to agree.

We agree on the things. I don't either. I just, I love. By the way, if I'm being totally honest, I probably do agree with them on most things. But whatever, I'm sure we'd find every area. I just love the exposed corruption and that they. Their bravery, their physical courage, those guys, their willingness to suffer for what

they believe and the principles for which they're suffering. You know, the dignity of the individual. We're all created by God. You cannot treat me like a slave. You cannot tell me what to think. You cannot tell me what to say. You cannot lie to my face, period, because I have self-respect. And that there is a field of value.

This is right. This is wrong. That's exactly right. What was going on was wrong. And we got to expose this. Well, and Snowden especially. I mean, Snowden, you know, Assange is Australian. He's lived around the world.

He was a journalist. I don't think he had any expectation that he would wind up spending his adult life in prison. I don't think that even crossed his mind. Maybe it did. I haven't asked him. But Ed Snowden knew exactly what he was getting into. And he was middle class American, high IQ guy, lots of job opportunities here. He could have lived a very comfortable life with his wife and kids. And he intentionally put all of that at risk in order to tell Americans what their government was actually doing.

And what's crazy to me is not that the U.S. government is trying to murder him, which of course they are, but that news organizations don't defend him. That's when you realize the quote news business is totally fraudulent. None of these people mean it. They went into it. These are people who went into the news business as a way to exercise and exert power over their fellow americans like there's nothing with informing people um it has to do with controlling and oppressing them that's why you work at nbc news so you can control people it's really sick and my my loathing for them just can't even be described in words because it's so profound

i have not forgiven them and i don't think i will but snowden yeah snowden would come back tomorrow and he's american his wife's american i think he's got a fine life in russia but he's not russian and ultimately i mean i don't know if you've lived abroad um you probably haven't had time but if you spend enough time in foreign countries you realize that no matter how wonderful they are they're not your country you know what i mean you'll never fully be they're not your country. You know what I mean? You'll never fully be a citizen of another country if you were born here. So he wants to come back and they won't let him.

And it's disgusting. It's disgusting that they would use a term like traitor for him when he's literally exposing government corruption and stuff that you should give a shit about. If I catch you robbing a liquor store and call the police, am I the criminal? No, you're the criminal. You're robbing a liquor store. Ed Snowden exposed crimes by the US government against the American population. US citizens who are paying for this were being spied on illegally, and he's the criminal? No, no, no.

He's the hero. You are the criminal. pompeo director of the cia who is literally a criminal yeah and yet he's treated like i mean he's in the running to be defense secretary if donald trump wins it's shocking take a criminal and give him nuclear weapons really but that's been the whole revolving door with government with the cabinet that happens revolving door from the FDA to the CDC to WHO it's just a it's a secret sand handshake society of everybody just patting each other's back and staying in it and that's the corruption that needs to be exposed and it's it's out there it's utter and they're just doing it so overtly who gives a shit well

in very high stakes too it's not it's not just like well i'm not doing the best possible job as transportation secretary it's like no actually i'm forcing the entire country to take poison i'm killing people i'm destroying the u.s economy for the benefit of a few etc etc these are like these are big things these are not minor minor fuck-ups these are like these are major felonies in my opinion and that's why i mean that's why i have hope and i want bobby to have a chance to debate and to get into it because if not it's just going to be the same shit over and over and over. And like when the financial crisis happened in 08, right? And Obama put many of the people involved in it into his cabinet, into the, you know,

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And he gets shit for his vaccine stance. But he was never a part of that. It was actually a couple women who came up to him when he was suing the EPA for years and winning for them destroying our water and destroying people's lives and winning consistently. And then he's like, oh shit, there's another issue that's going on. It's the chronic disease epidemic in this country. And he can give you all the numbers from what it was. And there's

certain dates in time where certain things happen where chronic disease went way up in the 80s, specifically after a bill was signed by Ronald Reagan. And since that time, if you look at a lot of the numbers, there's been a huge jump in chronic disease for kids, in illness, in SIDS, in autism, allergies, all these different things. Yes. And he's just saying, listen, I'm not saying that causation is correlation 100%, but there has to be some sort of relationship here with this. And why don't we do some studies on it? Why don't we get some transparency? Why don't we have these vaccines go through the normal trials and testing?

Well, because learning things is anti-science. Yeah. But I don't think Bobby would put those kind of people in his cabinet. I don't think he would give power to those kind of people. And like I've talked to him, as frustrating as some of the alphabet gangs or organizations are, there's a lot of great people in them. There's great people in the CIA.

There's great people in the FBI. There's great people in the CDC and the WHO and the FDA who really care and think they're making a difference. But there's a top line in a lot of those organizations that are actually at their core anti-American and are not doing things that's in the best interest of our people. And we're fucking paying them. It's on our dime. 11, you know, with the Patriot Act and the FISA court, as far as the surveillance domestically and spying and the fact that they are not actually on, you know, unearthing these like domestic terrorist plots. You know, there's, there's, you know, a lot of great documentaries and stuff.

You can, you can look into that. The fact that our food and water is not at an acceptable level. The fact that our border is not at the right level. The fact that some of the stuff that happened with ATF, you know, where some of those, they were tracking these guns that went to the cartel and they were being used to kill border agents and all these different shit that's gone on that.

Again, I'm not saying that those, all those organizations are super corrupt. There's a lot of fucking great men and women that work for those, but there's some people at the top who aren't great people. And that's what needs to change. And I think Bobby would go in there and change a lot of that stuff.

And that's what his uncle and his father were trying to do. If you know the history of- How'd that turn out? Well, yeah, that's what happens with some of these companies. And that's why I love Bobby and you, because you're willing to stand up knowing that it doesn't always end well

for people going up against corruption. So this is a guy whose uncle and dad were murdered in the course of their jobs as elected officials. Well, look at the history of Alan Dulles, right? If you know his history. He was in banking for the Bush family. Then he got into the OSS, which was a precursor to the CIA. Yes.

And he was probably a part of Operation Paperclip, which repatriated a lot of the German scientists. Yes. Which there's some ethical issues with that. He tried to get us into World War III in Cuba, uh, Operation Northwoods. Um, and the majority of JFKs actually close to the advisors, I believe they voted and the majority said, uh, let's do it and let's blow up the ship and let's get us into World War III, uh, and let's go after Cuba. And JFK said, nope, ain't doing it. Fired Allen. And then Allen Dulles winds up where? As basically one of the main guys in the Warren Commission.

Chief Justice Warren was, I believe, only at nine of the 30-some-odd meetings that they had. But the two guys that were really in control of it, from what I've read, are Allen Dulles, former fired head of the CIA, who ended up getting his job back and there's an airport named after him and gerald ford future president who was at the time number two at the fbi and fbi led by jagger hoover who hated the kennedys so given

that all of that happened it's a little weird that the biden administration won't give bobby kennedy secret service protection yeah and he's known joe forever like they they were friendly for a long long time it wasn't like it's he's some outsider like he's been around the political game for a long time and he's the only major candidate who's not gotten uh secret service protection they're also limiting and and skewing, I believe some of the polls to try and not just keep them out of a debate, but keep them, uh,

out of secret service protection. He's spending millions of his own dollars on private security, um, which he has to, because he's a threat cause he's not, you know, bought and paid for. Um,

and you know, he's a foil to the two-party system but i don't know if you saw this but bobby recently came out and said uh in the summer months at some point he wants to do a 50 state poll with like 20 000 i don't know what the exact number is votes in each of these states and whoever polls lower between him and joe biden has to drop out of the race because in his own analytics he's found out that if the three of them run uh trump is most likely to win if he goes against trump he wins if he goes against biden he wins if biden goes against trump trump wins so in fact the so he said hey listen i'll drop out if you pull higher than me in these 50

states um but if i pull higher than you you're out there's no way he'll go for that i think he's a brilliant a brilliant model to be like no no i'm not the foil bobby's not the foil all right bobby's a main player in this. And going through this process and just entertaining it for a small time, to learn about the corruption with getting on the ballot, that's fucking wild. It is wild. 50 states with 50 different ways of doing it, for the most part.

You can have your signatures thrown out if you have the wrong color ink on one of 50,000 signatures. Some states you file with the Secretary of State, some states with the governor's office. It's so ridiculous, the whole process, which is just set up for a two-party system, right? And then who knows about the safety and legitimacy of this whole thing. Well, it's a lot harder to get on the ballot than it is for, say, a non-citizen to vote. Yeah. Or a dead person. Or a dead person.

A lot of those. So you made reference a couple of times to the food supply, and you said, I don't know about, you know, I'm not an expert on vaccines, but I am an expert on food. Well, I'm not an expert on food. Well, but I mean, it's your job. Yeah, I mean, I care a lot about what goes on my body. You have to, right?

So what have you learned? So for people who aren't paying as close attention to what they eat, where do you think the bad, like what's the bad food? Well, a lot of it's in the wording of it. I mean, fat is a bad term term but fat is really good for you cholesterol is and also a real negative stuff yeah yeah but you need cholesterol because it's good for your brain uh there's there's some bad types of it and some like shit that you can eat

that doesn't help your uh that kind of skews your levels. But sugar, terrible for you. Anything processed sugar fuels cancer cells. So eliminating sugars, processed foods. But if you were to start with one, it'd be getting rid of sugar. Yeah, definitely. And then fasting. Fasting is incredible for your body. It resets your body.

I do at least a five-day fast every single off-season to kind of kickstart the off-season. What's that like? It's a fun process. It's hard, but after you get past three days, you have this evolutionary impulse that kicks in, and you feel amazing, actually. I got to the fifth day this year.

I was like, man, if I wasn't going on this trip, and I would do 10 days. I felt incredible. Yeah, and it just resets your body. And actually, there's a lot of great research. Dana White was talking about it recently that he did kind of before and after testing. And there's a lot of studies now that talk about the percentage goes way down of heart disease, heart attack based on fasting. Cancer obviously has a really hard time when you,

uh, when you fast or when you, uh, at least fast from sugar. Um, and that's kind of my problem with the whole, uh, you know, the cancer industrial complex is that there's very little, uh, people treating cancer that, uh, that kind of start base level of diet. And I'm not saying that all treatments are terrible. There's a lot of people doing really great work and caring for patients, but diet should be the first thing that you look at, especially sugar. I had a weird experience. I was at the hospital years ago seeing a friend and coach of mine who had a heart issue

and you know i got there he'd gotten two stents put in and he's drinking a coke and eating pudding and i'm like what the fuck are you doing what are you doing and that's that's part of the problem is is we're not using food as medicine you know we, we're, well, sugar is also someone who has quit smoking and drinking and drugs. I can say way more addictive. It's a drug. It's addicting. Like actually. Yeah.

But in every single day, there's stuff that is finally coming out. Like I was just reading some, there's four, you know, four, it was like a Oreos, um, lucky charms, something else. And Gatorade, you know, four, it was like, uh, Oreos, um, lucky charms, something else.

And Gatorade, you know, has been exposed as having like, uh, forever, uh, chemicals in them. And so there's finally people getting some of the message out and forcing, uh, you know, these companies to change, but the best way to vote in general, uh, is with your money. And so I really believe that obviously, you know, I'd love that if Bobby would win and we'll definitely vote for him. Um, and voting on a local level is really important, especially for your local, you know, DAs and sheriffs and different things is super important, but like voting with our dollars really are important in companies companies that are involved in shady practices, unethical practices, foods that have poison

in them and they know it, don't buy them and they'll change. They'll change. Just like with the government. If you don't follow their ridiculous draconian rules, they're going to change. So it sounds like protein is the answer. Yeah, protein, fat. I mean, that's not – everybody has a little different, so a little different body, a little different constitution.

But I think on a base level, fasting is good. Now, a lot of the intermittent fasting data for women was post-menopausal women. I definitely know that. So intermittent fasting for women still menstruating, I don't know that's great for health, but I think fasting in general is a good reset for your body. How hard are the first three days?

Hard. But it changes your relationship with food. Now, we're not living to eat. We're eating to live. I think that's an important distinction. Do you feel lightheaded or jumpy? A little bit. It depends on how much sugar you've eaten.

You can get the sugar blues and the sugar depression there if you're coming off eating a ton of sugar for sure. But I don't eat a lot of sugar. So it was fairly easy for me. But I do all the time too. I think it's like just start with 24 hours. Just start with 24 hours and just drink water or bone broth as a good reset. And then if you can get to three days, that's great. You get to five.

That's incredible. The research says five and up has like the greatest benefits, but it's a good reset for your system. Um, you look better in the mirror, um, and you'll, uh, your body just starts function a little bit, a little bit higher while you're fasting. Yeah. Is that hard? Yeah.

It's lighter workouts when i'm like my fast but because i need some energy to work out but uh what's the longest you've gone fasting yeah seven what was that like awesome past three is like amazing i think it goes back to like the hunter gatherer where you haven't had food in a few days and you get this fucking energy jolt from your system to go find food and after three days i feel amazing i don't even need food and then just ease back into some stuff on day eight uh you know but but i love it i did some uh ayurvedic stuff as well um like a 30-day Ayurvedic diet, and that was incredible for my system.

What is that? It's just eating and doing kind of a full-body flush reset like they do in India. It's their kind of way of doing medicine. And, man, that reset my entire system. I lost weight. My stomach lining changed for sure. I went in being allergic to a lot of things

and having like irritable bowel syndrome. I came out of those 30 days with like no allergies, no indigestion, no irritable bowel stuff. And it just like flipped. And I was. What were you eating for 30 days on this? Just mostly Ayurvedic stuff. So rice, lentils.

There's no meat. And I love, you know, meat and protein. But just a lot of lentils and rice and vegetables. What's a darkness? Is it a fat? Ret yeah retreat well you're just in a room about uh i don't know a third of this size probably with a little bathroom bathtub and uh can't see shit like nothing nothing can't see anything you start hallucinating like i did five nights four days you start hallucinating like on the third day, four days. You start hallucinating on the third day because your brain starts,

the DMT starts getting activated. Is it hard to text in that environment? Yeah, very hard. No. So you're actually in total darkness. Total darkness. No concept for what time it is, especially after the first couple of days

because you sleep so much the first night. After that, you don't need to sleep hardly at all because you have no stimulation for your eyes. So're not really tired you just kind of lay in there uh or moving around i was like you know did yoga did long meditations sat in the bath for a couple hours it seemed like i don't know time was irrelevant but uh a lot of great contemplation the bath so you like feeling your way to the bath oh yeah and a lot of times you start hallucinating and seeing different shapes and doorways and stuff. And you just run into stuff all the time.

And it's quite the process. I think that's scarier than any drug. I think I would be afraid to do that. Yeah. I'm glad I did it. I don't need to do it again. It's not like something I need to. I can't wait to do another darkness retreat.

It's like, no, I did that. Check that box. That was cool. Not going to do it again. It's not like something I need to, I can't wait to do another darkness retreat. It's like, no, I did that. Check that box. That was cool. Not going to do it again. What did you think about? I started each day with a meditation and just said, what do I want to contemplate today? So contemplated relationships, family, and then two days was, one was I'm retired and one was I'm playing. And so I went through all the insecurities around retirement and then all the fears around playing again and just really spent hours just like thinking through things. And anytime a negative thought would come in, just being curious about it and wondering where that comes

from uh if there's a root of that is there something from childhood that is involved in that fear insecurity and it was really uh really amazing for me just to the healing that happened and i came out really feeling comfortable either way like not scared of retirement, not scared of slipping into irrelevance. I actually welcome that. Not worried about what the future looks like if I don't play for the Packers anymore and I'm on a new team and new guys, new city. So it was really meaningful and I'm really glad I did that. Again, don't need to maybe do five days four nights um but uh it was a good experience have you done anything like that no yeah i've spent my whole life running away from stuff like that um but nobody even like can take a few minutes to get off their phone you know you

probably are better than most oh i definitely no i take a sauna every day for 20 minutes in silence but you do you watch tv no we don't have a tv yeah i have a tv that's a good way i like silence i don't like noise i don't actually watch any video at all ever and um but to be without in total darkness for five nights you know i don't know what would happen were you afraid at all no but the weirdest thing was night one i had a bad dream like a nightmare and when you're uh normally when you're at home you have like a weird dream something's off maybe you see a feeling entity or just something's freaking you out what do you do you kind of wake up orient yourself okay i'm on my bed i'm fine here's this maybe i get I'm on my bed. I'm fine.

Here's this. Maybe I can get up out of my bed, do something. Okay, I'm okay. And then you kind of are able to usually get back to sleep. In the darkness, what you see eyes closed is what you see eyes open.

So there was no escaping the nightmare. You wake up at 3 a.m. and got to take a leak. How long does it take you to get to the john? Five minutes. For real? Yeah. because you're just like here's one step here's one step and you're super disoriented you're going really slow now i'm feeling around feeling around feeling around boom boom boom boom okay there's this should be here banging on something yeah this should be over here okay there well

here's a tiny little door okay get in okay now. Okay. Now I got it, you know, but I mean, in the, you just, you're, you know, not really wearing clothes for the most part, just cause you don't need to use in complete darkness.

What's dinner like? Well, the food was actually pretty good. So once a day, the food came at six o'clock, there was like a double sided door. So he'd put the food in one side, close it.

Then I'd open. So there's no light. And you just like use your scent, like smell, be like oh that's that's soup i'm having that for dinner oh here's there was the food for the next day too so okay there's some apples i'm having for breakfast oh here's some uh some mixed nuts i'm gonna have that for lunch as a snack oh here's what is this oh this is some sort of like pasta okay i'm gonna

have that for lunch tomorrow it's like so you're you're going through it and you just like, you have all the time in the world. So you just like savor every bite and just eat super slow. And it's actually very meditative. That part was cool. I've done a lot of hallucinogenic drugs, not in many years, but I have when I was a child and um you know no matter how weird it gets you feel like well it's the drug you know but when there's total silence and darkness are you worried that you're gonna something's gonna rise up from within you and scare the crap

out of you not really because I before that I had done ayahuasca multiple times, I'd done psilocybin journeys. So I had figured out what it was like to surrender to a process or a ceremony. So I kind of treated it the same way and just said, you know what? Whatever comes up is what's supposed to come up. Like we say in doing ayah, the medicine will give you exactly what you need. So I kind of took that attitude into the darkness and said, whatever comes up is what I need in this moment. So I'm just going to surrender to it. And it's like, it's weird. I'm not on my phone. There's no distractions. There's

really no sound. Like every now and then, like in the afternoon, a plane would fly by above. And I was like, okay, it must be afternoon. And then at six o'clock, you knew it was six o'clock because the dinner would come. That's the only reference for time that you knew, but I just surrendered to the process and said, I'm here for a reason. I've paid for this. So I might as well enjoy this experience. And I did. It was fun.

Did you feel like a medieval prisoner locked in a dungeon? You weren't locked. I could leave at any time I wanted. The door was open. So if I wanted to leave. Did anyone else make it five nights? Yeah. A lot of people.

And somebody was coming out actually when I was going in who had been 30, 30 nights. I could not believe that. Cause I don't, I wouldn't want to do that. I mean like, I think a 48 hour reset would be interesting, but even five days, four nights was like, okay, that's enough. You know, last day. How did the person look? I mean, I didn't see them, but I heard they were a little bit depressed,

which I can imagine. Are you kidding? Yeah. I heard your story on Rogan, though. You definitely dabbled a little bit in some psychedelics. Oh, a lot. Was there ever any real major breakthroughs that stuck with you, or was it a lot of just tripping and going to i'm going to go on a dead shows years old you know but still

it's a different country um and you know it's just it's so so long ago and far away it's hard to believe it's real but um yeah for sure i mean we but that was like in the 70s 80s yeah mid 80s and i just grew up in a world where drugs certain drugs were much more um accepted than they are now i'm not saying that's good but um at all but uh you know different time but yeah no i did i've done a lot of that and i decided i mean a long time ago you know i haven't had an advil in 22 years i I mean, I'm the soberest man you'll ever meet. But I was afraid. I mean, one thing I learned was there's a lot of stuff swirling around inside you. And that's why the darkness retreat really struck me because that would, you know,

that stuff would rise right to the surface. And I'm not, you know, comfortable being in touch with all of that. And some of it is chaotic and scary, and it's not clear how much of it is from within and how much of it is from without. I didn't really believe in the unseen world when I was doing stuff like that. So I didn't really consider it, but I saw some very scary things and I was like,

I don't want to do that again. You know what I mean? So actually I didn't get much out of it and i remember once um while taking lsd i when i was 15 i you know i was just too young to be doing that anyway but i remember writing down like my profound thoughts uh as i was in the middle of this very very far experience. And they didn't make any sense. In fact, I found them in my barn, in this building upstairs. I need to see this.

Generations of family stuff stored. A couple summers ago when I was like, I gotta go through these boxes, you know, various diaries from deceased relatives and including my acid memoirs, which were really banal and fragmentary. Like, what does this even mean? You know, I think I threw them away. I want my kids seeing that. But no, I didn't have any breakthroughs. I'll tell you the breakthrough for me was sobriety, just because I partied too much. So having to face things without a crutch, I felt really, and admit, you know, you're,

I think all growth and joy begins with admitting who you really are, being honest about yourself. Yeah, I agree. But a darkness retreat would maybe too much honesty for me. No, you never know. So you said you thought about what your life would be like if you kept playing once another team or if you retired i mean at some point you're gonna retire right what what are you gonna do i'm gonna take a few deep breaths and relax a little bit i think um i've been doing this for 25 years, playing football, 20 this year in the NFL.

I've been mildly famous for the last, you know, 20 or so, 21, I guess. You know, I'd like to just take a step back and just, you know, enjoy life in a different way. I'd like to be a father at some point and take on that chapter in life, which is exciting to me. How hard is it to date when you're as famous as you are? Oh, it can be hard. Yeah, it can be hard for sure. But I think in general,

you become a pretty good judge of character over the years when you make mistakes and trust the wrong people. And whether it's business or personal life, you know, you can sniff some things out pretty quickly, I think. But you never know. And, you know, you met your soulmate when you were 15, right? Yeah. The most beautiful thing about that, which is the hardest thing about relationships in general that I've seen with my friends is how do you grow together? That's right. Because you're a different person 15 have your own separate life which is beautiful and big and full and then you can come together and not having to find you like full identity in that other person i think is really important so you know it's just trying to to do all those things i've really just been trying to work on myself and and and ready myself uh because i've

you know been way too codependent relationships in the past where i've kind of lost myself to like hold on to this idea of what I think a relationship is. And it's just not, it hasn't been sustainable for me. But I'm confident that there'll be a time when that comes together. And until then, I'll just be enjoying myself. Since you spent the majority of your life famous at this point, what do you think of that? What do you think of being famous famous it has its pluses for sure um it's not ever anything i signed up for i just love to play football yep and my fame grew really around the same time we won the super bowl and then i did a state farm commercial and And it's actually true. It's funny, but it's true.

I became the State Farm guy. At the same time, I became a Super Bowl champion and an MVP ultimately. And my life from 2011 on just really took a whole different change. Before that, I was recognizable, I would say. After that, I was famous. And I was like the famous football player,

also ad man, pitch guy for state farm um so more people knew me and i love my privacy and that got totally kind of taken away so there was so i went through i don't know if you felt like this but i've definitely gone through phases of being a recluse for sure i just don't want to go out don't want to see anybody um and i don't really like that i mean i am introverted in general, but I love people. I love like my routine. And I felt like I got so just scared of not having my privacy or just like annoyed that I just stopped doing things that I enjoy doing. And I just didn't really like doing that. So now I do exactly what I want to do when I want to do it and try and have a little bit of sense of humor with some of the reactions that come from people

or situations where I can't just have privacy and just find a little more humor in it. It seems to transmute some of the frustration and fear into joy in those moments. What about you? I mean, you've... Oh, I could write a book on it. Yeah, I'm not into it at all.

But yeah, you can definitely become a recluse for sure. Some people, though, in your business and my business kind of signed up for it that's what they want yeah those are the saddest of all people you want to be famous you want to be loved by people who've never met you that's like kids these days are saying what do you want to be when you grow up it's not a fireman or athlete or something it's famous or an influencer well people, I think, is a great honor. But that's not what they're talking about. And can be a joy. Yes.

Right. But to be well-known is, no, of course, it's a nightmare. There's no upside whatsoever. And if you find that important, then you're a hollow, sad person. That's like, what is, you know? But I mean, one thing I noticed about famous people I've always noticed is, having spent a lot of time around them for the last 30 years is they all know each other you ever notice that yes yeah there's a knowing i think you you kind of know what the other what that person's going through so there's a base level of like oh we kind of know how to navigate

this life in a similar fashion so there's like like that, there's that just closeness, I think that comes with initial meeting of like, oh, we probably have similar experiences. So there's like that connection kind of off the bat with that. I mean, I'm sure you feel that. Yeah, I have a big family, so that really helps.

So yeah, I don't have that many famous friends but some but i i don't know i was looking at your board over here well i've had a lot of a lot of people in this barn um but when you're going through like for example when you tested positive for rona and and then you admitted that you were part of the despised unvaxxed yeah you were a criminal um immunized immunized and the world just like comes down on your head yeah and your agent i don't know if your sponsors are calling you maybe yes they are yeah of course they are right and i'm sure the league is calling you and you're just under bombardment who who do you talk to about, do you have people in your life who can buck you up? You have a great support system.

I think the last couple years, and I'm sure you feel the same way, but the last 10 years, but every year it seems to get even smaller, but the circle kind of constricts a little bit, and there's less people who know exactly what's going on, and there's just a really tight-kn know exactly what's going on and there's just a really tight-knit group of yes the inside of the inside and there's a beautiful group outside of that who

you love and you talk to and you spend some time with but they don't know everything and and and they don't get to because there's just certain things that's only meant for a really small group of people and i love that and so those people are my rocks. And they're not yes people. They're people that can tell me exactly what's going on and what I need to hear, not what I want to hear. But there's a really small group of those people. So you keep the ass kissers out of your life. Yeah. There's a lot of them.

Oh, I know. Yeah. It's disgusting. They want to be involved. Would you rather be attacked to your face or flattered to your face? Probably flattered. You're an honest man. You know, attacked, it's like, you know,

because we were talking about this last night about, you know, like we can be in situations where you can't just have a normal conversation with somebody who disagrees with you, right? A lot of times it's that person's filming it or somebody else filming it or they're shit talking you and they want to get a reaction out of you so those you know i don't shy away from those and i don't those don't like get under my skin actually i find those comical but i'd much rather have that like when at dinner when you go out to restaurants um No, not really. I think most people that, I do say this, I feel confident in this.

The majority of people that want to censor me, cancel me, shame me, shit talk me, if they got to know me, I think would have a different opinion of me. And I hear this from actually a lot of people

who are like, man, you're just so much different than I thought. What do they think you're like? Well, they get the image from mainstream media or from two disgruntled teammates that I'm some sort of overly arrogant, narcissistic prick. And then when you get to know me, it's like, oh, you're not really any of those things that you've been painted as because you have to have a villain and you're the villain now because you stood up to the government and you're not, you know, bought and paid for and beholden to all these other things and you're not quiet about your beliefs. So I think that's usually the common perception and then the common reaction I hear from a lot of people, people who don't even actually agree with me or who thought about me a lot of times a certain way

often will say, man, I really enjoyed this time together, this dinner, this conversation, and you're different than I thought. I'm always like, thanks, I guess. Low expectations, high deliverables. I thought you were an asshole. By the way, I'm sorry, I totally forgot this. My producers put all this stuff.

I haven't even looked at any of it. They found this, which just amused the hell out of me. Remember how they were saying ivermectin was horse dewormer? I'm pretty sure I took ivermectin. Horse paste. Horse paste. This actually is. It's horse paste.

Duramectin, ivermectin paste for oral use in horses only, though it does look like rectal use. Nice. That's the ivermectin dispenser.mectin paste for oral use in horses only, though it does look like rectal use. Nice. That's the Ivermectin dispenser. I love that. I love that. I'm going to keep that on the bar right behind you just to see if. Let's do the little shadow box.

Let's get a little box for it to put up on the wall. That'd be awesome. So what do your teammates think of all this stuff? Most of all, most of them are really interested. You know, I try and share a lot of my experiences, especially my failures as a young player, because I want to help these guys not make the same mistakes. So whether it's failure in hiring the wrong manager, agent,

or financial people, or just not be involved in my business as a young person. Some of these guys, you know, involve a lot of family members to handle, like, really important parts of their jobs i'm just like sharing my experiences with those guys like don't hire your drunk cousin yeah like you know maybe keep family and business separate as much as you can unless you know your family member is like a certified you know accountant or something lawyer or something you trust them like i think it's always best to kind of you know keep some distance between friendship and business too. It's always can get a little bit dicey at times. Uh, I made that many mistakes doing that and try and share those experiences with them. My life, you know, publicly, the things

I talk about more now, uh, as we're shifting, you know, four years from, um, you know, three years, I guess, from COVID, uh, is more around plant medicine. So they're very interested in that, interested in ayahuasca and psilocybin and the effects and the fears. And they have a lot of the same fears that most people have around a bad trip, a bad journey, a bad time. And so it's fun to have those conversations. Many people reached out wanting to set up their own journeys, their own trips, just learn more about it.

You know, I'm a avid reader as well. So there are people, you know, checking me it um you know i'm a avid reader as well so there are people you know checking me about you know books to to read and recommend and so i love doing that with some of my teammates and so i might start them with the alchemist or with that one and maybe send them to a crack hour book or send them to a self-help book or something or maybe a book about medicine but um but yeah i just we joked there was a group of us in the corner of the locker room that we kind of called the brain trust. So we'd, the four of us start talking, you'd see like somebody come pull the chair up. Another guy would come over and pull it, you know, like next, you know, it was like 10

guys just kind of listening to what we're talking about. And guys are eager to learn, um, people from all different types of backgrounds and walks of life. And, um, that's a lot of fun. You know, I think to be relatable to those guys, you got to first share your failures, you know, share, share, you know, the things you wish you'd done differently. And, and it's like, I'm, I would guess it's like a parent where you don't want to save them from everything, but, but you'd like to stop them from making,

you know, big mistakes that could really affect their life, uh, down the road. Some, some lessons they got to learn on their own, but there's some things that I've fucked up on that I love to share with the guys so they don't make the same mistakes that I did. Are you going to miss it? Yeah, for sure. I miss the guys.

Like going to the Derby last weekend, the best part, and with all respect to the horses and Churchill downs and all that stuff, the real point of the trip is the camaraderie with the guys. And it's most guys I've played with. And a lot of guys I only see maybe once or twice a year, and this is kind of one of those events. And, like, we just share stories and laugh about the same stuff and catch up on family and kids and injuries and body and health

and the newest hacks that they're working on. And one of our guys, you know, who was my center for a long time, Corey, and he played at like 305 pounds now he weighs 235 so like seeing him healthy is awesome and talking about his life he's got four kids now and a beautiful wife and that's the fun part is just seeing these guys once or twice a year and just like keeping that close bond is it weird to be the last guy standing it is weird i mean you're the last guy from your year right i? I'm the last guy from my year. I'm the last guy in that group. That's the big group that's playing.

Devontae Adams was with us and Devontae's still playing. He's going into his 10th season. But yeah, like all the guys that came in the league are gone. Like long gone. Long gone. And I transcend a lot of stuff. Like we had dinner Saturday night and a few of some young guys came over. And one of the guys was Ray Lewis's son. lot of stuff like we had dinner Saturday night and a few of some young guys came over and one

of the guys was Ray Lewis's son. And to tell a kid who's not a kid, he's in his twenties, like I played against your dad. That feels kind of weird. Yeah. That is weird. Yeah. It's crazy. What's the truth about CTE? The truth is our sport is dangerous. Well, yeah. the truth is our sport is dangerous well yeah yeah the truth of our sport is dangerous um the truth is that uh there's minor brain injuries that happen every single game i would assume

there's collisions it's a collision sport and i think it's important that we really pay attention to how our bodies are responding the league is uh and the agreement with the players has gotten better every single collective bargaining agreement which i think i've been a part of bodies are responding the league is uh and the agreement with the players has gotten better every single collective bargaining agreement which i think i've been a part of three now where they've done a better job of taking care of older players but back in the day even when i was a young player you get dinged in the head hey just let it clear or you see stars oh that's fine like farf he talked about all the concussions that he's had. He would never come out. He was just like, oh, yeah, dang, you're seeing stars?

That's fine. Just like let it pass and go back in there. Have some more Gatorade. Yeah, yeah. Have some Gatorade. How about that? But I think we're doing a better job of safety and the equipment's better. The helmets are better.

The diagnosis are better. Are people worried about it do you think younger players i don't think uh i don't think so not not not many of them i think more people are worried about uh their own health and some of the uh you know meds that are given out like there was a med problem in league for a while guys used to get it was easy to get vicodins percocets that kind of stuff um then there was an issue uh at one of the teams and they kind of changed the policy which is better now but um that was an issue i think uh some of the addiction to some of that stuff that uh some of my teammates had um do you remember that oh yeah yeah i remember a teammate of mine who

was so addicted uh to percocet that he had to be put under anesthesia to have his surgically repaired knee moved. That was wild. And that was not abnormal. There were a lot of people that were. Why? Because it had dulled his. Yes, his pain tolerance. It was just like he had to give so many meds

to be able to be moved. It was wild. Did he recover? Not really. I mean, he has. He since has now, and he's doing really good, and he's been sober for a while, but that's an issue. There's a really bad stat that they used to –

it was a scare tactic, but it's true. Back in the day, it said that within three years, 75% of NFL players, three years post-retirement will be broke, divorced, or unemployed. And a lot of times it's multiple of those three. And I see it a lot because you're living this life, you're making a ton of money. That money train dries up. You maybe don't have a ton of life skills or haven't spent time in the league, like planning for your post-career stuff, or don't have the money to just like coast like I could.

And some of the people by a long time could. And then, you know, there's, there's marital issues that, you know, that, that happen all, you know, and it's a very sad statistic. The league, you know, that, that happened all, you know, and it's a very sad statistic. Um, the league, you know, tries to do some things to kind of promote, uh, second career stuff and financial literacy, but, um, a lot of it's on the guys to learn on their own. And if you don't have the right people advising you, it's, you know, I've seen a lot of my former friends, you know, go through some, uh, some crises in their twenties because

the average career is three years. Now you're, you know, you're 26, 27, go through some crises. He's in their 20s because the average career is three years. Now you're 26, 27. You have no job. You may or may not have graduated from college, but who knows how many people actually use the degree now anyway from college. I mean, college is- It's ridiculous. But you have no skills other than the game.

Yeah. And now they're trying to figure out what to do. So it's pretty- And they got married to the wrong person along the way possibly yeah or just like you know 50 of marriages at this point or more and in divorce anyway so um when the you know who knows i mean there's not blaming uh not wife shaming here there's, no, I get it. I get it. But I mean, it's, again, back to the fame question, if a woman is coming at you because you're famous, that's not a good basis for a marriage. No, no, it's not. And there's some guys who haven't know, haven't, you know,

have made some rough decisions too with having kids and multiple women. And, you know, some of those were bad decisions by the men. Some of those are women, you know, who, you know, saw a millionaire football player and wanted to, you know, be taken care of for a while. Both of those are true. So sometimes that is something you take with you in the game where now you have a couple, you know, kids out there that you're taking care

of for many years and you don't have the same type of money coming in. So now there's financial issues with some of the, you know, child support that you should and do pay. So guys, there's a lot of mistakes that are made and some you can rectify and get through and some, you know, make life a little more difficult if you're not able to play like me 20 years and, you know, don't have any financial issues or any kid issues or any stuff like that. You said that you started to realize that a lot of what we take for granted is actually untrue. And some of this, by this by this i mean our civilization is built on lies yep you started figuring it out in high school what do you think but but you also said you're in favor of just disclosing like the government should tell everything it knows if it did that if we actually learned the truth about everything, various wars that we've had,

assassinations that we've had, our economy, like what would happen? The government thinks things would fall apart. People would just be so overwhelmed and so disgusted that they wouldn't believe in the government. They would, I don't know, become nihilists or something. Like what do you think would happen if we actually knew the truth about everything?

I don't think that's the worst thing. I mean, if you're making decisions based on what's the worst that could happen in this case um i think there'd be a ton of people actually connecting and finding common ground because it'd be a common enemy you know the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And I think it'd be fascinating to watch the structures we put so much trust in just crumble. And I think a lot of that needs to happen, whether that's in one disclosure, one fell swoop or over the years. It is kind of wild though that we still can't release the JFK files and we're, that happened in 1963. We're 60, what, 61 years this November.

Yeah. Pfizer tried to release their files in 75 years initially. That's what they asked. You know, they're, they're, they're testing stuff. 75 years they wanted. Disclosure on the UFO stuff was supposed to

happen many times right trump most recently last year trump supposedly saw it and then decided not to release it right or was that the jfk stuff he was talking about both both yeah and biden everything's gotten pushed back um i don't know i think in order for us to to advance a society, there has to be in this age of Aquarius, there has to be disclosure. I mean, for you, you had to be privy living in Washington,

working, you know, for Fox being the top guy there, stuff that not everybody knows. And you probably know more than the common person, but how much did you encounter? You don't have to get specific is stuff that you don't think the American public could handle that you know or that you believe? I mean, I agree with you 100% and I thought that was so nicely put and so smart that if you knew the truth, your belief in lies, of course, would evaporate.

You'd no longer believe the liars and that's not a bad thing but that you would be united much more than we are now with your fellow americans and i think that's a really that's a wonderful way to look at i think that's absolutely right yeah i said enemy of my enemy but it's like i'm not enemies with uh you know a democrat or republican i'm not enemies with somebody that has different skin color i totally get it i think of that about race all the time. But they put us against each other. Of course. They want to divide us. You know, if you watch the media, I've thought of this a couple of years ago.

They're always calling me racist, white supremacist. They never bother me that much because I'm not. You're a Putin apologist. I'm a Putin apologist. I didn't care at all about that. But I didn't really want to be called a racist because that's awful. You know, it's awful to be a racist. But then it stopped bothering me. But I was left with the feeling, man, there's a lot of racial tension in this country. And there's clearly some. But I got to tell you, in the last,

I don't know, 10 years, I've not had one black person confront me about being a racist. Not one. Not a single time. And I've also not heard people angry about race in my personal life. Maybe it's just me. I think there's a lot less race hate than we're told there is. Much less. I think most people kind of get along with each other, actually, in this country. I believe that. And it's very clear to me that they're doing this on purpose, the people in charge, in order to keep us divided and angry and confused. So I agree with you that disclosure would have that effect. In my specific case, I feel like I've learned probably too much about a couple of topics because, by the way, there's some things that I can't prove that I believe to be true, so I don't repeat them.

But the UAP stuff, some of it is really distressing to me, what I believe to be true so i don't repeat them um but you know the uap stuff i some of it is really distressing to me what i believe to be true but i can't prove it but um as i've said before i think it's spiritual i think some of these things are dark anti-human um probably some aren't but you know i do you think because there's there's potential anti-human properties that there's actually pro-human supernatural well i think god's i think god's real for sure and as you know evil flourishes you also see it's it's obverse you see good at work you see god at work i do in my life all the time in a way that I didn't, say five years ago, I wasn't thinking like that at all.

I'm a very secular person who grew up in a very secular world. Unlike you, I did not grow up in any recognizable church at all. And so I had none of those assumptions. But no, I think it's, in bad times like this one, there are miraculous and heartening moments. And I see that all the time. If we learned everything that the government is hiding from us, what would you be most interested in learning about? Well, I mean, JFK for sure. Yeah.

I want to see those files because that's what got me into it. But I think the UAP thing. Would you be shocked to learn that Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself? No. I mean, how many Jeffrey Epstein type people are out there? Well, that's right. That's the real question.

You mean people who've been killed or people who are using sex as a blackmail tool? That. Yep. And then who's pulling the strings on that? been killed who've been killed or people who are using sex as a blackmail tool that yeah and then who's pulling the strings on that any guesses but galane maxwell has a lot of ties to the mossad yep that would make sense i mean jeffrey didn't seem to get some of the appointments he was given in the prominence based on merit somebody was putting him in the right spots. But I don't think he's the only one.

I think there's a problem, a weird, bizarre problem, really, that has a weird sex component to it with some of the elites. And there's a pedophile component to it as well, which is, which is really sick. And there's, you know, some prominent figures, uh, you know,

who are in the spotlight as of, as of late. Um, I just, I would like that to be, to be exposed, but Jeffrey Epstein had the goods on everybody. There were a lot of people that didn't want him to be alive.

And then the whole, you know, wild story around, you know, multiple people being sleep and, you know, him not being watched at the time is real convenient. And I just don't believe in that many coincidences. No, no, no, no. He was, he was murdered in, in federal detention in Manhattan. I don't think there's any question about that. And people lied about it,

including the then Attorney General of the United States. I think there's some weird correlations between the, and anomalies that, you know, the Johnny Depp trial had eyes on it, crazy coverage, and the Ghislaine Maxwell trial had next to no coverage, no TV coverage, no nightly commentary about it, no traffic to nobody. I mean, they literally got,

she is indicted for trafficking kids and nobody who she was trafficking kids to got indicted. Or named. Yeah. And all the files that are out there still haven't been released. We have one testimony from one victim.

That's all we have. When that came out, it was just literally like one victim. And there's hundreds of just in that little, who flew on the Lolita Express. And there's a lot of super prominent names who are on the flight logs. What's the sex thing about? Uh, I mean, you've been in famous guy world for a long time and you're from like me, you're from California. So obviously you've been around well-known cultural figures. Um, the elites have you, how long have you thought this that that sex plays a role well not not that long i mean i've just kind of uh you know i've seen some interesting things i bet you have um been around some interesting parties and yeah gatherings that are strange.

Not anything like what it sounds like, you know, a ditty party. But just even at an Oscar party, just seeing how some of these people act was always a little bit strange. I just never resonated with it. It was almost like interesting people watching, but there always seemed like there was parties within the party, people kind of doing their own thing. That always kind of weirded me out a little bit. But getting into conspiracy stuff,

then you know about secret society stuff and stuff like the Bohemian Grove. And you know what Nixon said about the Bohemian Grove. And- What did he say? Well, you have to go look at his quote. His quote is not exactly uh you know there's something like that they're all gay right something like that that's

basically what he said yeah um and the secrecy around that and there's that's not the only secret society there's a lot of really interesting secret societies not just like the skull and bones at yale which has produced all those presidents and in presidents and the Freemasonry at its highest level. And there is a sexual component, I think, to a lot of that. Obviously, with Epstein, it was blackmail to get them to do what they want. I mean, how many people are compromised by that that are in positions of power today? I think you're naive to think it's none and you said it on the podcast with Joe the scary part for those people is that and for us you know is they could you know put some on your computer to cancel you they could set you up for

something oh of course thankfully me I've I don't watch porn you know i've never been uh into any weird kinky stuff um so it'd be really uh you know and i think it'd be pretty unwise for a prominent person to get into online porn because all that stuff is monitored i mean what yeah but i think a lot of those people probably are. You'd have to be an idiot. There's a camera on your phone and your iPad and your laptop. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, didn't, you know, again, there's weird anomalies with everything, but, you know, it gets used all the time, right? Like stuff like that gets used all the time to silence

people to quiet people now whether that's legitimate or not if it's legitimate that's fucking sick and gross and those people should be if it's illegitimate it's not real and it's been planted like that's a fucking shitty shit sandwich well kiddie porn i always i always try and say it out loud just to indemnify myself to protect myself against i don't i don't have a laptop i'm not into porn or kiddie porn i just want to say that out loud yeah i'm gonna say the same thing you do feel like never been into it whenever someone i wouldn't kill myself i love my life if you can spend five nights with darkness i think you're psychologically pretty healthy like you're you're beating the averages on that um i feel like i'm pretty psychologically healthy and i could not do that but if you found out everything you said

faith in government would collapse completely yes and that's a good thing but would would that be like the road to anarchy at that point? I think you might need some of that. Anarchy, I think, is always seen. You have to look up and give me the exact definition of anarchy, but the thought of anarchy is just like chaos. Yes, chaos. But it's more just a, uh,

I believe it's more like a belief in, uh, the, uh, it's a, it's a doubt in the government's ability to do its job. Yes. At its core.

Well, I qualify then. Yeah. Um, I'm not going to call you an anarchist, but, um, we need some of that.

We need, we need some of, uh, we need some of that. We need some more questioning. We need more disclosure. We need more things being brought out to light. We need more journalists doing their job and having the right conversations. I'm excited for you. I can't even imagine who you're going to get on your podcast because it's going to be amazing. You're the first one one and I'm grateful.

So if, just two more questions. And then I have one at the end too. So the first one is, I asked you what you're going to do when you retire, which is probably imminent just at some point, just because of your age and your amazing longevity so far in the sport. But you said you, you just want to take a deep breath.

Could you see yourself running for office? No, no, I don't think so. No, I just, I don't, I believe in Bobby and,

and what do you stand it for? But I've never been super into politics. And, and as said publicly, I believe it's a sham. Now, I retract that in the context of Bobby because I believe in what he stands for. But I've never felt like there's been two parties. It's just been the same people and bombs still get dropped regardless of whether it's Trump or Obama or Bush or Clinton. Wars still get fought. Taxes still get levied.

Evil and corruption still exists. Secret handshake society still exists. The lobbyist power still exists. All the big whatever, military industrial complex still exists no matter who's in charge. So how much can you actually impact? I don't know.

I mean, I like to think that if Bobby got in, if they didn't take him out, that he could enact some real change. I think the alphabet groups need a full makeover. And if we're going to support espionage, then let's make sure we're not doing it on our own people who are good, you know, uh, self, you know, conscientious, uh, freedom loving Americans, Republican, Democrat, independent, black, white, Asian, Mexican, whatever it is. That's right. Just great fucking people who live in this country.

Leave us alone. Leave us alone. Yeah. Stop spying on me. Yeah. Get off my computer, get off my me yeah get off my computer get off my cameras get off my ring camera you know take down all this stupid fucking cctv cameras everywhere that are watching everything and because the next step to all of this people don't realize this and this

is the fucking facts is china and what's going on there and social credit scores and the entire life monitored. Like that's where we're going slowly. Jordan Peterson said, uh, was doing an interview and talked about how does, you know, I can't remember what the conversation was, but I heard him say this.

How does corruption, um, uh, take form when it's so obvious it's slow movements. It's slow movements. It's like barely inching towards, you know, total corruption and obedience where you don't really see it coming. Next thing you know, like, oh, I have no other option but to get a chip in my hand or have a social credit score

that allows me to, you know, fly in a plane. If I don't have a good one, then I got to ride on a bus or a train or a cab or, you know, I you know they want all electric cars i can just you know shut that off at some point because you your post on facebook uh you know kind of violated the government standard here and also we're gonna freeze your bank account or only let you you know eat at this restaurant uh sorry eat at the you know get groceries from this store not like the nice organic store. You don't have to eat this shit over here

or eat insects or whatever the hell. The Oreo store. Yeah. Lucky charms. We're not far from that if we don't stand for civil liberties. And people always like, when I talk about,

because I've always been a big proponent of Ed Snowden, and people are like, well, I have nothing to hide. And I'm like, that is the fucking worst answer because I don't have anything to hide either, but I want my privacy. And you don't understand. You think the government is just going to stop at what they're doing now? They're not going to stop with this. They're inching closer to be in 1984 where they have a set in your, some sort of TV set in your house that watches you. Make sure you get up and do your 10 push-ups, 10 sit-ups. We're going to watch every aspect

of your life. We're going to give you a social credit score. We're going to create, I mean, it's a fucking great book to read. It was written in 1949. And how many, how accurate it is today. Literally a ministry of truth. We literally had a government organization that was censoring free speech and categorizing things as misinformation. There was a ministry of truth czar who was making decisions based on what they thought was acceptable language online.

And all these fact-checking bullshit. We're not far from 1949, from that book, 1984, which was written in 1949, if we don't take a stand for our civil liberties. And that's why I think that there needs to be

more disclosure. I hope there is. I hope there's more corruption. I hope Bobby gets a chance to debate because I think he'd do a hell of a job. I hope Nicole gets a chance to debate against Kamala Harris

because I think that'd be a big win for her. Have you met her? No, I haven but i i enjoy enjoy what she says um my last question is like we are moving there and no one is stopping it at this as of today you know may 2024 so where are we in five years i you know i was a little bit worried coming out of COVID because I saw so many people who were manipulated by fear and laid down and followed the rules. I think it was a lot of people who are captivated by fear, for sure.

But the majority was conscientious, good-hearted americans that's right i really do believe that who just wanted to do what they thought was right exactly trusting that the government wouldn't lie to them wouldn't fuck with them and i think those people are waking up that's why i have hope i really do have hope um, that we've learned our lesson and that the powers that be the, the, uh, the evil unseen world, um, overstepped a little bit too far and that they, they got power hungry and they got, uh, a little over their skis and the people woke up and are not going to allow this to happen again. And there's some weird things going on in the world right now. The stuff of the border is very weird. Like listening to Brett Weinstein talk on Rogan about

the groups of Chinese military age men that are getting in. It's very unnerving and they're doing it in new ways and we're not prosecuting anybody in a lot of these big cities. And there's the George Soros of the world who are anti-human and funding a lot of these protests, probably on these college campuses as they're arresting people who don't have student IDs, who aren't a part of it. We saw it in Wisconsin when there was riots going on. They were bossing people in from Illinois and Iowa and all these different places. So there's anti-human people out there

who don't want this to happen. But I think there's so many incredible, good-hearted, conscientious Americans, both Republican, Democrat, independent, undecided, don't give a shit about politics, obsessed over C-SPAN every day, or whatever it might be, who are just waking up and going, you know what? This is not the America that my ancestors fought for, that I want to be a part of, that it was when I was a kid, when I was in high school, when I was in college, whatever it

might be. And they're not going to put up with it much longer and i think that that's what i'm saying i think the the evil kind of overstepped a little bit too far and now that uh the tides are turning i hope you're right i hope we look back and see covet as a blessing because you know yeah this is the other part of it is where do we get our media from these days like the the the information police who forever growing up not me but like the walter cronkites of the world who are idolized as like the dan rathers even who like it seemed like there was somebody you could trust who was giving you the truth on tv yes that those days. And thankfully, X has some level of freedom of speech still. But media, our media, we get from, majority of us, from Twitter, not from Fox or CNN.

True. Right? You had a huge following. But then you go to X and your numbers go fucking crazy. Yeah. But the majority, how we're going to change the world, I think, is by having conversations like this. Not just me. I'm just some anti-vaxxer football player.

Conspiracy theorist. Conspiracy theorist, yeah. But with Joe, I mean, the most influential people in the world, right? Joe Rogan's one of them. Yeah. Joe has 10 plus million listen to every one of his podcasts. Every single podcast that he does goes immediately to number one on Spotify. Oh, yeah.

Yourself, the numbers that you got, impressions you got, the views you got when you did interviews with Trump and Putin and everybody in between were astronomical. Nobody's ever seen. And it's going to be, what gives me hope is that you have a voice of reason. You are willing to stand up for what you believe in. And that, you know, guys like Joe and yourself and countless others are willing to like lay their reputation aside, get canceled for standing up for what they believe is right. And that's the way that we change things so that's why i fucking am a huge fan of yours and just want to encourage you if i can to just like fucking keep doing what you're doing

because this is how the world changes by having long-form conversation with interesting people who can change the narrative and get people to go you know what maybe i can change my opinion because that's the only way that we grow together is by talking to people that we don't actually agree on everything or we have what we think is a tightly held belief. And we go, you know what? I'm going to loosen that grip a little bit and just listen to what somebody else has to say.

And then maybe there's something in there that goes, I like that. I might not have to hold so firmly to this anymore. And it's just like in the church, right? And you're a spiritual person. I'm a spiritual person. Talking about aliens, you can't talk about that shit in church, right? No, there's no other. God created Adam and Eve and just on this planet, right?

There's nothing else to look at. Well, there's some weird extraterrestrial references in the Bible that they didn't have maybe the words for, but there could be some other shit going on here. And maybe I shouldn't hold so tightly to that one belief that I'm the only thing on this entire earth and the earth is 5,000 years old and there's nothing else going on here. Like we all need to transgress, you know, to transcend, sorry, our beliefs to include the stuff that we want. But in order for us to get to the next level, whether that's the next dimension, a new earth, a new way of living, is to transcend and include what we believe. And in doing that, I think it's talking to people that we don't

necessarily agree with. It's like what I'm trying to do and will continue to try and do, and that's have empathy and compassion for people that have slandered me, shamed me, and canceled me, tried to. And get past that. That's the most Christian possible thing you could do. I mean, Christians are commanded to do that. They don't, but they're commanded to do that. Pray for those who persecute you.

Love your enemies. I mean, that's. And like sincerely do it. I'm going to sincerely. Oh, that's, I mean. Sincerely try and do that. And I think we can all do that on some level. But it starts with just like,

just opening your heart a little bit, trying to love people a little bit better, trying to love yourself a little bit better. And then not being scared to stand up for what you believe in. It feels like there's a depth of conversation. This is my last question, but have you noticed in your personal life that the conversations you're having with the people you love,

who you're friends with, that they're much deeper than they were five years ago much much deeper yeah i think there's a number of reasons for that it's just where i'm at uh personally and the the changes i've tried to make um but i think in general people are desperate for that deep connection and they're just tired of surface level stuff and they and they really want to go deep. And we attract our tribe. Your vibe attracts your tribe. And just like you said, I don't really know anybody who's vaxxed or wearing a mask in cars.

I don't really either. And there's no judgment. I'm not judging. It's just interesting. That's just where you're at on your journey. That's awesome. That's great. I wish you didn't have that much fear but like mad love you know whatever you're doing but like the people that i'm trying to attract and that

have been um is just people who are desperate for like depth and connection and finding like common ground even the people that i don't i had to know people recently that are you know fully vaxxed and double boosted and we had a beautiful conversation about you know, fully vaxxed and double boosted. And we had a beautiful conversation about, you know, a dozen different topics. And I left going, fuck, that's awesome. Like, I love being able to connect with people like that who don't have a base level of like belief that I do. But we both came to the table, like in the actual table, of like wanting to have like a deep conversation

and understand each other better. And I think that's how we move this thing forward. And that's, my life is just like people who want to go deep and whether it's on medicine or off medicine or talking about medicine or not talking about medicine, it's all, you know, it's all like, how can we connect deeper? How can we love better? How can we love ourselves and our world and, and actually make a difference? And that's why, you know, guys like yourself, guys like Joe are making a difference because they're platforming people, um, who really care about this life and are doing awesome things.

And when you hear somebody who's passionate about something, it just gets you like kind of vitalized about life. And you're like, Oh fuck. Yeah. Like these people do love America and they do want to make a difference and they do, you know,

care about right and wrong. And there is a field of value where things are good and things are evil and standing up for what's good. And that's, that's what you're doing. that's what you did on fox for all those years that's what you did when you fucking left fox um and uh i'm just glad to know you glad to be friends i am too thank you aaron rogers and thank you for dinner that was great thank you thanks for listening to tucker carlson show if you enjoyed it you can go to