The Tucker Carlson Show - BREAKING: Merchant of Death Warns Russia Is Preparing for a Devastating Attack on Western Europe

Episode Date: June 29, 2026

The war in Ukraine is very close to exploding into Europe, including the cities where your kids are taking a semester abroad. No one in the West seems to be paying any attention at all. A warning from Viktor Bout in Moscow. (00:00) The Escalation in Ukraine (15:27) What Is the Motive for a War With Russia? (26:05) Is This a Religious Conflict? Why Are Civilians Sent to the Frontlines? (31:27) Why Does Zelensky Not Want an Election? (50:08) How Many Have Died in This War? Viktor Bout is a Russian entrepreneur and public figure. He was born on January 13, 1967, in Dushanbe, Tajikistan, which was then part of the USSR. After serving in the Soviet Army, he trained as a military interpreter specializing in Portuguese. He worked in his field in Mozambique, Southern Africa. Since 1992, he has been engaged in business activities related to intercontinental air transportation. In 2008, he was arrested and extradited to the United States, where he was held until 2022. With the assistance of the Russian diplomatic mission, he was returned to his homeland. He later became involved in public service and was elected as a deputy of the Legislative Assembly of the Ulyanovsk Region. He is married and has a daughter. Paid partnerships with: Ethos: Protect your family with life insurance from Ethos. Get up to $3 million in coverage in as little as 10 minutes at https://ethos.com/TUCKER American Financing: NMLS 182334, nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.327% for well qualified borrowers. Call 800-685-5696 for details about credit costs and terms. Visit http://www.AmericanFinancing.net/Tucker. Defend: Enter code "Tucker" for 20% off your purchase at https://defendcellcam.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Mr. Matt, thank you very much for doing this. Americans have been distracted, I think I've certainly been distracted by what's happening in Iran, but there has been a very significant escalation in the conflict between Russia and Ukraine and really Russia and the West. Can you describe how that conflict has changed recently? Well, there is several points. Let's start from the situation that this conflict is not conflict between Ukraine and Russia. This conflict basically between Russia and entire. coalition of willing. It's NATO, United States, plus other vassals, I would say, with the Western

in the world, who is just blindly complies. So they, from get-go, supply to Ukraine, all kind of the armaments. Initially, it was javelins and lambs, anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, then it went to the Patriots, then it went to the tanks, Abrams, Leopards, Then it went to the F-16, and every time Ukrainians and their handlers, especially in London, especially MN6, thinking this would be a game changer, doesn't work. Ukraine really losing grounds, maybe not as fast as we want, but frontline progressing. Every week there is several villages, small towns are being liberated by Russian army. Of course, since last year, the decision was to remove all the military production from Ukraine to the Europe, which was done efficiently.

Just more than months ago, Russian Ministry of Defense published a list of all these factories who, in fact, in Europe, producing armaments for the Ukrainian army. So think of this. The logistics, the industries are now in Europe. So Europe is not natural part, and we hear from their leadership. They're more openly declaring that they're in full support of the Ukraine, and they won this war against Russia until the last Ukrainians. So this is a very much war-morging approach where it's going to lead.

So they moved this production there, and about two months ago, there is a mass, you know, quantity of the drones start coming. to Ukrainian troops, they received the capacity to launch simultaneously up to 500, 600 drones, long range, which is the range over 1,500 kilometers, let's say, about 1,000 miles. So they're trying to heat our refineries, they're trying to heat some civilian, you know, buildings. Definitely, if it's has any strategic, you know, I would say value or results? No, yes, there is a reducing production in refinery for a couple days, then basically refinery back up and running.

And then they changed completely to the terror attacks. We know that, for instance, this was a terror attack when they perfectly knew that in the Lugansk region, Then there was a college where the students, over hundred of them, been in the dormitory, and the drones came, attack, and as a result, 21 students were killed. Then it was not end of the story. There was no excuse. They said there was a soldier. Well, the journalist went and showed the proof that he was a student,

and there is none of military presence there, even close. after this there was attack on the several buses they start using these drones in the border region to attack civilians

any car which is going because of this new what they call Martian drones with the AI vision who take the same decision which target to attack so they just know

not even operator it goes and it's choose any target any moving car any moving even a kit on the bike, and they're just hitting this kid on the bike. So it's a purely terrorist approach. You know, they're trying to, you know, if they can't win on the battlefield, they're trying to see this court and panic within the Russian population.

But guess what? It's only make Russian population more resolute and there is more and more demand from our president and from our, you know, top military commanders. hey, you need really to finish this. We have enough arsenal of the proper, I would say, weapons, which would definitely bring this war quickly to the end, even not resorting to the nuclear ones. Which European countries are manufacturing these drones, these armaments,

being used against civilians in Russia? Well, first of all, there is many factories which is in Poland, There is in Germany, in France, in Italy, in Denmark, in Turkey, there is a presence of them, I would say Spain, Belgium, Dutch. Of course, British were the huge manufacturers who are contributing to their so-called cruise missile program Flamingo, which is in fact British one, you know. And all this is officially announced, hey, we are producing this. Ukraine will get, you know, capacity to heat deep inside the Russia. Well, this is again pushing us towards very close to the conflict where finally we would be have no other choice but to start heating logistics centers in the Poland,

in the Romania, within the Germany, within all these countries, because they are part of the conflict. accordingly, all the international law, we have a full right to attack those because they are manufacturing armament and they're declaring that these are factories belonging to Ukraine. Think of this. If we now, you know, put analogy with Israel, did Israel will tolerate if there is Hamas or Hasbullah would have a factory in Jordan, in Turkey who manufacturing this Katusha rocket was hitching Israel? Heck no, they're going to immediately, you know, attack them.

that this is a difference. So sometimes on the West, they're thinking that restraint on our leadership is a weakness, but look on what's going in the world. We're really now very close to the all-out World War III in the most hottest stage, and when there would be no breaks to stop it. And honestly, as you said,

you've been too busy with Iran and rightly so, because think of this, if this conflict in Iran will not stop, protract what kind of the economical damage it's already caused because we're talking about that even I mean yes it's clear that the most visible is a oil which is not flowing through Hormus trade but as important this is a fertilizer which was cut out of the production there and Iranians have been very big producers of some kind of fertilizer worldwide so it's already a fact including Americans farmers, and now, accordingly, the forecast of the United Nations,

there should be a shortage of the food and eventually hunger, first of all, in Africa. And we're also talking about all kinds of different chemical precursors necessary for the technological supply chain in China, which goes through all over the world. So this will affect entire humanity. Thanks God, President Trump did maybe. very late, but it's still a decision to extricate himself from this conflict, and it's good news for humanity. Otherwise, we're still on the balancing age where the one wrong move of Europeans in the, you know, which is encouraging Ukraine's of attacking Russia, we can cause a reaction

where we have, as again, Russia would have to respond with the all mind just to stop. it and then it will cause eventually, you know, unpredictable reaction. And we are very quickly can escalate to the nuclear exchange and then, you know, nobody knows what we'll left from humanity. And for me personally, what I'm watching, you know, looks like we lost a generation of responsible politician, especially in Europe. First of all, Europe, just as we speak, you know, on our rise, happen to transiting from the basically dictatorship.

And it's not only dictatorship in each country like happened before the World War II, but it's double dictatorship. Many of them are basically unpopular, but they still cling to the power by manipulating the winning their election. Like we saw recently in Romania, this is the best example, but basically nobody was even considering opinion of the people. They just installed the government,

which is a globalist or European leadership, desire more. The same true for other countries. And then you have a Brussels bureaucracy or dictatorship who basically make all this country, deprive them of their sovereignty. And this is, with all the crisis, economical situation, because Europe already committed economical suicide by cutting themselves off, you know, reliable and relatively cheap Russian energy sources like a tube gas. Now they're forced to buy the, you know,

LNG from all over the world, and they have to compete for higher price. German industry are not any more competitive and we know that the first time for past 80 years German automotive industry are basically on their final death bet you know so what they're doing they're converting the ex-Folksvagen and all the plans into the line to produce a weapons and militarizing country Germany introduced a law where the male cannot leave a country without, you know, first registering in the special, you know, kind of the military recruiting points. They openly say that they need to have a strongest army in Europe in the three years. Well, you know, it's, we already heard this similar situation, and it was right before World War II started with Hitler on power.

And by the way, Hitler was also elected democratically. And what kind of the consequences is left for entire world? So for me, you know, observing these processes and understanding that, look, our government really try all possible ways and means to bring some idea, hey, let's negotiate, let's mind our own businesses. Let's re-discuss, rearrange, and have a proper security structure in Europe, which allowed or prevent any future conflict. This whole proposal been denied for the past 20 years. We're seeing that militarization and preparation for the bigger war and extension of the NATO, especially recent one, when the Finland, Finland,

Switzerland become part of NATO, is really causing a concern. It's our national security concern. So Russia already reacted by forming a new military district near that border. And our border with Finland, it's about 1,500 miles. So we have to put our resources there. And Finland recently wanted that they allowed

to bring in their territory, nuclear weapons and story there, well, looks like, you know, the European elites seriously considering a all-out, full-blown war with Russia, and they're thinking that they're going to win in conventional war. Well, let me tell you, there is a bad news for them. Russia will not answer conventionally for their attempts to attack us. In our military doctrine, there is a postulate or formula where if we feel that any attacks against us are threatening our existence,

we will answer with the nuclear weapons. And believe me, Russia have second to the known nuclear and most modern arsenal in the world. We definitely, where the one missiles can completely obliterate and destroy all life on the territory like England or France, you know, and that's definitely, we don't want to go this way. But if they're considering that they can conquer us, split us onto the, what they want, 32 small parts, make them like a their resource, you know, colonies. It's happening.

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But it's great. What do you think, I mean, this is, you're not the first person I've talked to who's said this. I think everything you're saying is real. I think in the West, we imagine that President Putin is the most radical person in Russia. I think he's been a force for restraint, but that may not be possible for much longer. So I believe everything that you're saying. I don't understand why European leaders would want to have a war with Russia. What is the motive?

Well, the way I see it, all this leaders, look how much. look on this, you know, nerds or Stimer who was just resigned today, basically, as we speak. These people is most unpopular in their countries. Think of the European bureaucracy in Brussels. So for them, the war is maybe the only way to cling to the power, to stay at power, to keep their influence. If they go to the war, they can declare, you know, emergency, what you call it, declare the, you know, war regime in countries and said, okay, we postponed the election, and then they grab power completely. Another one, you know, we talk about that the globalists basically fully control

Europe, especially Sauros. For the last 30 years, he invested heavily into grew up all these leaders since their early teens. They become students. They've been paid to study in the universities, then they become activists, then they become politicians. And finally, they become leaders of their countries who have basically no even filling to their own, you know, native countries. They don't care about their own future. They are all part of this suicidal satanic cult. And this is where we come. For me, this conflict with Ukraine is basically become a religious conflict. And this is where we feel like this is a, maybe a final battle with the evil forces, because what these people are doing, how they're treating even all population.

Last week, I was taking part in the press conference where we have a public tribunal. It's a not-official tribunal for the crimes of the Ukrainian Nazi regime. And every time the group of volunteers goes to freshly liberated areas, towns and villages in Ukraine, and questioning local population who stay there, who remain and waited for the Russians to come and liberate them. And their stories, it's horrific how the Ukrainians coming to them, threatening them to say, oh, you stay there, you want to see the Russian army come and, you know, liberate you. You are traitors who kill you. And they deprive them from the water.

They just shoot anybody who move on the street just for fun. They treat them really like occupational force. And many, many occasions, even more ferocious or more horrific that used to be during the Nazi or German army occupation during World War II. By the way, today we have a national remembrance day of. the first day when the Germany attacked Soviet Union in the 4 o'clock in the morning

on June 22nd. So for Russians, for all, even many republics of all ex-USSR, Belarus, Central Asian Republic, this is a very somber day where we

with a fool, you know, trembling, remember our grandfathers like my one, who died in the fight in the Kursk battle. And this is a really, really huge for us. So we are Russians, we know what is a war,

we know what is consequences it comes. And for all of us, because we're basically same people with the Ukrainians, because the soldiers in both trenches are speaking same language. For us, it looks like more like a civil war than the war with this.

And knowing how quickly for literally, you know, less than, you know, 20 years, the brainwashed propaganda was able to prepare a huge mass of these neo-Nazis, Bandarites, who are now acting like a Nazi, like SS division, who are proudly celebrating. Just recently, Zelensky brought a leaders of Ukrainian Bandera movement from the Europe, their remains,

and with the full owners buried them in a special memorial cemetery near the Kiev. This, of course, sparked some conflict with Poland because these Ukrainian nationalist, which we call Bandera, you know, troops or gang, responsible for ethnic cleansing, not only Jews, Russians, but also Pollux. Over 100,000 of the Pollux been killed. by them in the areas. So, and now thinking that Europeans who've been, you know, swearing that they would not allow any more re-burn of fascism. And by the way, the funny facts, in Germany, for instance, it's forbidden to display any swastikas or any Nazi symbols. But they are blind to see that in Ukraine,

there is many divisions, many military units, are openly wearing Nazi. in Semia. And there is, you know, like crickets from the, you know, German investigative journalists, all those, their presence. So for them, as long as they are fighting Russians, it's good.

And it's also very, very serious that the Germany openly talking again of another, you know, big campaign against the Russia. So we know how it sends up. And believe me, if we need to repeat like our grand fathers, we have to do, we will do it.

But we rather try to find a, you know, those with the sober minds and to say, hey, do you know the consequences? Do you really want to see again Europe destroy till the, you know, demolished, and then you want to rebuild again? I don't think so. Population even been asked.

I'm almost sure. that every European country, there is a majority is a normal people who, like you, like me, like many, you know, normal people everywhere in the world are willing to have a peace, prosperity, you know, some normal cooperation and the all problems or disputes we can solve through the negotiations, whether it's a commercial, whether it's, you know, other ones. But apparently, despite we're thinking that we are in advance level of our, civilization that we can be proud of our achievements and technology and the science, our medicine. But look, how we are different from what's happened, let's say, 2,000 years ago, 3,000 years ago.

We still, again, in this vicious cycles of the war, vicious cycles of the ego of our leaders, vicious cycle of the people who just for the grabs and their, what you call it, you know, the treasures which they can go and grab in other countries as a result of their invasion or attack. We basically, exactly the same mentality, and this is maybe the problem of the humanity. And unless we change it, we basically doom if we don't see some drastic changes in the next couple of years.

Because, look, drones are changed. a lot. Now we see what's happening with the AI and this manifesto, what they call it, technocratic manifesto of the Alex Karp is basically techno-fascism. And now think of this, if the mask produce army of drones and these drones would be unleashed on the battlefields, where the full control on the surveillance system, social credit control over all of all. the population, which they want to introduce. And now we as a humans really left very little opportunity. In this case, Russia may be the last, I would say, hold out,

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Majority over, I would say, 80% of population of Ukraine was a Russian Orthodox Church of Ukrainian Patriarchate, which got their own autonomy, but was an integral part since, you know, ancient times when, and remember,

the key was the city where the Russians received their Christianity. So for us, Kiev is a part of our national, I would say, cultural code. Yes. And so artificial creation of

Ukraine appeared literally less than over 100 years ago and it was invented by the Austro-Hungarian I would say the leaders, military ones who are trying to control Russian-speaking population of the empire. So they created this nationalistic movement and tried to brainwage them that they are

different. And basically, this population identified themselves as orthodox under the Russians. They've been speaking on the dialect of Russian. They've been believing in the same church. So for us, the church was exactly the same. And then since this coup, bloody coup in 2014, they start to decide that they need to make a reform. They need to abolish the Russian Orthodox Church and create Ukrainian Orthodox Church. They've got the separatists, they're a smaller church. And then for the past, what, 12 years,

they're just using the police, using the gangs of these neo-Nazis who are, by the way, never been a Christian. They are, you know, what you call it, the pre-Christian believers, you know, similar to the, they have their own pantheon of the gods, not the Jesus Christ. So they, with their help, they try to go to each church and force the original priest out, you know, put a new lock and say, this is now Ukrainian Orthodox Church, not the Ukrainian

Orthodox Church. So there is a war against them. And then for us, the Kiev-Pychovra of Lavra, it's a monastery, which has most Asian history, uninterrupted service on the Russian Orthodox Church, with a lot of the relics, you know, bird in there, you know, huge underground tunnels. You know, they shut it down. They evict the monks. And now they pillage whatever relics and bodies of the saints which have been buried in this and mummified in this, you know, huge system underground caves. All those now pillaged and sent to the Europe. So all the priests been evicted.

And what they did in the biggest temple there, they just created a military canteen and doing some Satanist performances. So for us, this is also a big deal religious war. Think of this. Those Ukrainians who eventually living in the police state, they can't express their different opinion. You know, their government hunting the people on the street,

all males capable to hold the arm and sending them to the front line because Ukrainian army losing a lot and they need a manpower. So in this condition, of course, population in Ukraine are completely, I would say, under the strictest and most probably most harsh, condition. I would compare it to the biggest prison on the open sky because you can't leave the Ukraine

unless you are not belonging to their elites. You be caught and sent to the front line to use as a cannon meat and then you last about a couple days. You're lucky if you're surrendered to Russian army. We're seeing every time that they're losing so

much that everybody exchange between the Russia and Ukraine usually goes like recent ones, Russia transferred about 27 bodies, Russia transferred to Ukraine about 1,000 bodies and received back about 27 bodies of fallen soldiers. And this proportion tells you about the huge, basically demographic problem.

There is no future because several generations being killed by this policy of this leader. By the way, there is a problem with the Zelensky because his term has expired. So he didn't want to announce new election. His so-called parliament, their terms are also expiring. And very rightful question, with whom negotiate. Who has a legal authority even to sign any, I would say, agreements or peace deal from their name?

And this is also another question to ask, why Zelensky don't want to have an election? why all these people are talking much, but they disregard a desire of Ukrainian people. Accordingly, recent polls, which is done, by the way, by the Western Organization, I think it was American and British, they found, and they double-checked several times, that over 80% want the peace deal with Russia. This is the problem.

So what would be future? We don't know, but we're really, really, you know, worried because, look, Ukraine now trying to attack nuclear power plants. This was their attempt several times to heat hard Zaporosia nuclear power plant. And the entire, they endeavor to the Kursk region of Russia. You remember it's happened in what, 2024, I guess, yeah, 2012, when they, you know, by surprise. went to the Russian territory. The entire target was the Kursk

nuclear power station. They wanted to hijack it, you know, occupied, and then, you know, try to, what you call it, try to negotiate with Russia or swap with the Zaporosia or something else. It ain't happened. Now we're seeing also what is some

rhetoric going from Zelensky that he is threatening to Belarus. So they're trying also to basically do some kind of the lightning strike operation in Belarus? Well, I don't know if his army is capable to open another front line

over about thousand miles in the legs. Looks like suicidal, but I think we're living in the age where the logic or pure, you know, logical calculation of prepare are not working anymore. All these leaders in Europe

looking more like, I don't know, buffoonish like a clowns. Well, Zelensky at least openly been a clown we saw all his performances so what you can expect from him. But

I think what? France or Germany or in matter of fact, Britain cannot have somebody more decent that those, you know, despicable personalities whom when you're seeing how they behave, what they're doing, well, it's just

you know, I feel very, very much sorrow for the, you know, proud people of France or Germany, matter of fact, or in England. What's happening there? Basically, their fabric or even civilization European are being demolished, are destroyed. There is a huge replacement of the population happening with this uncontrolled immigration. Unfortunately, it's also happening in America for a very long time. I guess this is one of the points of the globalist elites. Let's replace basically white Christian population

with somebody who we can easily control, use them as a then foot soldiers for their expansion campaign. You know, you discussed talking for, I would say, very long time there is a connection between the Jidahis Islam and this extreme left movements. You know, basically, Trotskites have a lot of fun with the jihadists. and all this fundamentalist, especially the Islamic ones.

And this is really, really dangerous. Another very important point I want to share with you. Apparently, we lost some kind of the limits of the dignity. Look on this, what's happened with this conflict with Iran, when they first day, they just openly killing the innocent children in school. Same happening by Ukrainians. and all the international law, all rules written and unwritten of the conflicts, all the military kind of the unwritten rules of conduct when two army fights,

when you put the white flag, you surrender, it's all thrown to the garbage bin. Nobody anymore abide by these rules except Russia. And, you know, for us, we can't just be as despicable as our enemy. so, you know, our army behave very decently. Think of this. I think you reported it. There was many cases when our soldiers who've been captured and become prisoners of war, of being forcefully sterilized, you know, killed by the doctors.

What kind of doctor you are if you have to help of the injured, you know, soldier. Yes, he is captured, but it's still your duty to treat them. You know, he is prisoner or war. He is not criminal. And those doctors in Ukraine have been just, you know, amputating their genitalia, you know, killing them, getting there, harvesting their organs, threatening them, putting the swastika on their bodies, who they are. Or those soldiers, when the Russian soldiers surrender because he has, you know, run out of ammunition or something, they just kill them. him and they kill him in most vicious way, often making footage of this and then busting by this footage. Yeah, this is how we kill this one. So this is why I'm telling you it's becoming

not only conflict, but two sides are really very angry to each other, but this become now a religious war. What can you do to monitor important parts of your life that you can't always keep your eyes on. Things like the far corners of a job site or ranch, or let's see, you've got a boat dock somewhere and you can't check on it every day. Cellular security cameras from Defend are the answer. These cameras are very easy to install. No Wi-Fi required, no complex setup process. You don't need to be a master electrician to do it. No running wires all over the place. You just mount the camera, turn it on, and it automatically connects to the strongest available cellular signal and start sending photos and videos directly to your phone.

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Well, look, there is two ways. Of course, now there is a lot of push inside the Russia. We're saying to our government, hey, why we don't using the prop, why we don't killing the, you know, Zelensky, because we have all the means. So, of course, how you deal with the satanic cult? Well, sooner or later, you need just eliminate them

because there's no way you can negotiate with. Another situation. Think of this. There was last year negotiation in August in Anchorage, Alaska, where the Putin and Trump met and basically discussed. And Trump make a promise how to settle this conflict. Russia accepted this. And we're still waiting when they, you know, Trump going to, you know, do his part of the deal. And apparently there is no result. He can't either force or don't willing.

to do it then, you know, recently, well, Russia decided, well, we finish it by ourselves with our military. Of course, it would be easier to finish it by the negotiations. Well, Trump can stop this war very quickly. The Ukraine heavily depends on two factors. Without these two factors, they can't fight even a day. First of all, this is a Starlink, which is the, you know, a key. communication system. If you switch it off, then Ukrainian army has no any communication, has no any control of their drones, they can't attack deep inside Russia, all signals, everything

goes through Starlink. So all these long-range drones who killed our children in the buses, or who killed the coach of the Belarusian saucer team which was traveling from Belarusia to Black Sea resort and the Ukrainian drone attack it, knowingly that this is a kid's, no single soldier in that bus, they all been using Starlink technology. So this is number one. Second one, no any single attack possible

if United States will not share the intelligence formation from satellites, because every time Ukrainians attacking, it's online, approach, online access to the all a group of American spy satellites who are telling where is the air defense, where the radar coverage, where the you know a new passage open because Russians move something. And this is very critical. Think of this. If these two factors are removed, basically I guess within one day there is a Ukrainian army would complete chaos and they can't even communicate among them. Everything.

from the commanding, choosing the targets, everything there. It's a system integrated to the NATO system. And basically, people in Pentagon has a full access to battlefield in their cabinets because they are providing the system to Ukrainian soldiers. So Ukrainian army can only exist when this communication and intelligence are flowing to them.

The moment it stops, they just blind. They stop fighting. Another one, despite the Trump refused to provide any new delivery of weapons to Ukraine, he still, well, I guess he still finished whatever the Biden administration supposed to deliver to them, all armaments, and now they're talking of approving new package. And Trump says, okay, if you buy, I send you. Well, I don't care if these hymers who will kill innocent civilian in the Crimea, or they're threatening to attack Crimean breach, or, you know, they again now threatening to use chemical

weapons or even biological wars. There is already several documented cases when Ukrainian was using a poisonous gas or using the white phosphorus, which is forbidden by international convention, or matter in fact, try to spread some biological bugs with the hope that this would be spread and cause a severe damage. So this is all, you know, the terrorist basically approach. Of course, if Ukrainian regime are in agony and they have no other resort just to start a all-out

a terrorist war against Russian population, well, they would not achieve it, because it only will make us more angry and more resilient to finish this war the way we wanted to, from first day of this country. conflict. I have to ask because you were in the armaments business for so long and know a lot about weapons systems. How do you think drones, drone technology, will change warfare going forward? Well, it's already changed drastically. So the tactics are completely for four years,

change incredibly. And if somebody would say four years ago, this would be the war, nobody would believe from military. You know, I have many friends who in, the front lines who are dealing with this and they're telling every two weeks there is a change in tactics because of the drones every two weeks there is a new either you know improvement in technology either improvement in something and they have to find counter measures to tackle it so this is a huge development and it's really a future so now there is a race of the you know technological capacities who will outproduce more drones which drones would be cheap cheaper more efficient and which drones would be not subject to the jamming or other countermeasures.

So this is a war, unless there will be some possibility that this would be found technological solution when you can just make sure that no single drones can be operating using some high frequency, I would say weapons or certain other weapons using other weapons using other other physical principles. We don't know yet, but definitely it's all now on the test, on the fire testing, on the battlefield testing. And believe me, improvements happening so quickly. For instance, many military units have now their own, I would say, workshop, but they're producing necessary spare parts, 3D printing, assembling the drones, adjusting them, reprogramming, You know, there is even many where they're putting their control units with the microchips themselves.

It's becoming mind-blowing and it's really becoming now a competition, not only foot soldiers who are more bigger or more endure, I mean more physically fit and now also fight for the more skilled one soldiers, those who can operate drones, those who can quickly assemble them, produce them, who can quickly repair them, those who can quickly use them properly. So this is a huge change. And now I think there is a new, I would say, arms race in the world

where many countries now trying to study this experience in this conflict and using, you know, this experience to adapt their own, you know, forces for that. And we're seeing that, you know, Ukrainians start, since Gatgo sell disarmaments which is a West supplying them on the black market. There is many reported cases of delivery, including to Hamas, including to Hasbola, including to Mexico cartels. And I'm not even talking, and nobody knows how much illegal now arms in the criminal circles in Europe.

So that would be another time bomb, which is unfortunately European countries, you know, planted themselves for their own future. Think of this. If you get... May I ask you one question, though? Okay, so what you just said, I believe is factually true. Elements of the Ukrainian military sold weapons systems that they receive from the West, the United States, NATO, to a bunch of different terror groups around the world, including Hezbollah and Hamas.

Now, Israel has a very close relationship with the Zelensky government. Israel has to know that. If you and I know that, the Israelis know it. but they've said nothing about it. Why would the Israeli government allow the Zelensky government to sell weapons to Hamas and Hezbollah? Well, that's a one million dollar question, I would say. Another one, why on earth Israelis would send over 2,000 instructors to train Ukrainian army on the beginning of the conflict? How come they refused really to condemn what's happening with this reburial of the Bandarites

you know, leaders in Ukraine. So the country who are celebrating or defending memory of the old victim of the Holocaust, apparently in cahoots with the Nazi regime, and they defend that the Zelensky is a Jew, are not working anymore. If the Jew who betrayed the memory of his family, of his grandfather, who, by the way,

was the colonel of the Red Army and fought the Nazi Germans, But maybe now turning in this tomb, knowing that his grandson are basically sold out his, you know, nation, his memory and what he did by fighting the German Nazism, defending the future. So his grandson would go and destroy the Ukraine and sell it out for the, you know, Nazis again. it's unbelievable. So definitely Israelis knew it but by some means we're living in the world

where hypocrisy become a norm where sometimes even before I would say 20, 30 years ago, you see the leaders when they're lying they feel themselves uncomfortable. I think now for them

lying and be hypocritical become completely norm and if you're honest and open-minded it looks like you know, I would say almost like a deviation. It's an amazing, amazing moment. It's very hard to understand what's happening.

It does seem like drone technology means that no civilian population is safe. Correct. And Ukrainians has a special tactics. Whenever they abandon certain, you know, a village or small town, they immediately terrorizing the civil population, with the drones. They're hitting kids, they're not allowing elderly women to go and get the water,

they're not allowed to get them humanitarian aid, they're really terrorizing with no any military sense, what you're doing? And since they've got a lot of the drones, would you believe that for each soldier, for instance, sometimes there is up to the 20, 30 drones are sent just to kill one soldier? How many Ukrainians and Russians have been killed in this conflict?

Do you know what the real numbers are? Well, no, I cannot tell you exact numbers, and eventually it's very difficult to estimate, but one thing is clear that Ukraine suffered at least three to one, if not five to one, comparing to the Russian losses, just to know analyze how many

cemeteries appeared in Ukraine how quickly they are filled up and this Ukrainian army not care about how many soldiers they're going to lose. They're just doing everything to suits their you know

nice photo up or any you know propaganda purposes of the Zelensky regime when he wants to report that he's sending endless waves of the soldiers, basically they have no chance to survive, but they're still sending them. Whenever they surrender and it's time to remove them, they never give this order to, hey, get out unless you would be encircled.

They let their own soldiers literally perishing. They never remove much of the bodies. There is several reasons. First of all, we know that for every fallen soldiers, Ukrainian government has to pay a significant amount. So for them, except anyone, that is a kind of painful. So they basically has a practice when they are considering majority of the dead people like a missed-inaction. And when the Russians return their bodies, the family has to go through the painful process in Ukraine to prove that he is dead and the government owned the money. Then they're saying, okay, you're going to get

this money within 10 years by the small installments. So even, they are basically fooling their own people who believe them, who said their sons to fight. This is a horrible strategy. I don't know. Look, demographically, Ukraine cannot be the same anymore because their population, especially male one, especially of the reproductive age, are basically destroyed. Now they start to bring immigrants like from India or from Bangladesh or Pakistan trying to replace. Accordingly, certain data is now over 300,000 there, and they want to replace more

because basically the villages are empty. There is only elderly women's left there. And since the war retracting and we force to destroy the infrastructure in Ukraine which is feeding their military installation, there is no water, no electricity, no communication. So it's very green future, especially look, Russia has been forced to destroy their central thermal stations, which is responsible for the heating in the big cities.

So now what Ukraine is not telling and trying to sell to the ways that they are wheeling in the front lines, trying to attack some refinery deep inside Russia, that Ukraine cannot even anymore to keep during the winter. You know, decent temperature in the house, we're not even talking about the hot water supply. Forget about. So their capital, they're in such a designated state with the attacks, with the corruption, with the negligence previous this conflict that wouldn't be livable this city during the winter. And it's not only capital, but many other cities in Ukraine. So this is a huge history when Ukraine become a black hole for corruption

and laundry, the hugest laundry machine in the history when we know that the, basically Ukraine apparently involved in all political scandals for the last, what, 10, 15, 20 years in United States, how many impeachment was there and they have a Ukrainian connection.

So since, what, 2004, I guess, 2002, when Ukrainian heavily invested into the lobbyists, you know, and in the United States. And we know everything from the Hunter Biden Boris Ma'o, you know, employment. And, you know, and apart of the Hunter Biden, there is, was many others, which are not that known yet, who've been, you know, in the pay list of the Ukrainian corrupt regime. Plus, we never know exact amount, but think of this. Definitely, I would say, I would estimate maybe one third of everything was sent to Ukraine,

was recycled back to political sludge funds in the United States, especially Democratic Party. You know, we know that there is many senators are so happy to go to Ukraine. We know many cases when the Ukrainians paying lavish honorariums, premiums to come to, Kiev, you know, and walk through and make a photo apps with Zelensky. So they tried to buy their, you know, influence. So they corrupted, you know, the West, they corrupted the United States. And eventually there is a lot of similarity with the Epstein.

Basically Zelensky using the same tactics. Let's not only corrupt by money, but let's provide such a facility when all the visitors can have everything they want. You want drugs? It's there. plenty of full, free. You want underage girls. It's free. You want something else.

More satanic. You're welcome. I think this is an issue of the Americans taxpayers who are really now suffering themselves and instead of minding their own problems like unrepared bridges,

making sure that at least water is clean in all small towns in America or infrastructure correspond to the not to the third world, but at least to the superpower level would be shocked to know that all their money instead of this

was sent to the Ukraine and this was basically not for good purpose. Majority of this was stolen by Ukrainians. Another part was giving back as a bribe and whatever is arrest somewhat was used

for the so-called the defense of the independence of the Ukrainian people who are suffering from Russian aggression. Yeah. And in the meantime, they destroyed one of the last majority white Christian countries on the planet. So maybe that was the point. I have to ask you one last question because I think it's just, I thought about it at the time. So you were released in a prisoner exchange under the Biden administration in American prison for a long time.

When the exchange happened, so you're a very famous person internationally and in Russia, the Biden administration traded, released you in exchange for the release of some women's basketball player on a marijuana charge. Were you surprised by it seemed asymmetrical? Britney Greiner? Yes. Well, by one thing for me, this was literally some kind of insult, you know. Right. At least they could exchange.

Well, Paul Willem, which I was expecting. Exactly. But on the Biden administration time, this maybe was only choice. And this is why she was a black, she was a Lisbon, and she was a basketball fans. If not for NBA fans who put a lot of pressure for Biden administration, ASPN was running every day kind of this stunt to, you know, call attention that Brittany Griner is still at Russian prison for almost nothing, for some, you know, a small quantity of CBD oil, which is forbidden in Russia. So they put a lot of pressure.

So Biden administration, because they are succumbed to the LGBT agenda, and they need to bring, you know, then in front of center of their, you know, attention and policy, was forced by this kind of activism, you know, where you put, by one hand, NBA fans, another one, LGBT community for Democrats is basically, you know, you're done. You can't even move. You can't do nothing. These two come to you, you better do what they want. You have no choice.

So for me, it was clear when, you know, this started, basically. Of course, negotiations protracted. But, well, I can't complain. You know, I'm thankful that my government decided to bring me back, despite, well, by other hand, I was already, like a, you know, the, what was a product with the expiring date pretty soon. If they don't exchange me this time, in, you know, four years, by now I would be released, you know, nevertheless.

So for Americans, I was kind of losing big value, despite they created this dramatic, you know, myth about me that I was the biggest arm dealer in the world, that was second to bin Laden, that, you know, whatever happened in the world, I was responsible. without any proof. Well, I have no gringe about it. Whatever happens happens, it would be maybe subject to different other books or movies or storytellers. But now I'm more concerned not about my past,

but about our present and about future. Knowing that, believe me, because look, I spend what I would say from 14 years, almost 12 years in the United States, prison, lockup. And this time, there was a lot of

Americans, real patriots with me. Many of them was a political prisoners. And I learned a lot of how the real America leaves by their stories. And I believe that Russia and American people has so much in common.

I agree. Because of our geography, because we are both two people who are, who are very generous, who are very hardworking, who has basically same mindset. Because, you know, when you have this geography, you only can conquer it and, you know, leave on it by having completely different mindset.

And this is our similarity. And I do believe if the America would be able to free themselves of this, you know, control of the globalists who are really, using America as a test ground before they run all over the world. Because look on the history. They started with American population, deindustrialization, sexual revolution, drugs,

all been first introduced in America, destruction of the normal family in the black population, then, you know, bringing transgender agenda, LGBTI agenda, and then it starts spreading all over. So in this case, for me, American nation is real, resistance, who trying, despite all the facts, despite all the mainstream media, dictatorship and control, there is still independent voices like you, like others, you know, independent

journalists like Alex Jones and, you know, many, many others who, despite all the problems are still able to have an opportunity to speak their mind, despite every time they encroaching on this liberty of the freedom and expression. And this is why, on my opinion, we really can not only be, have a normal relation, which I wish we could, but we can have a really, really good friendship relationship relation

with the United States. And think of this, if up our two countries will put our resources, our ingenuity, because Russia we also invented a lot of stuff the same way like Americans does. And many of your inventors basically came from Russia. If we talk history of television, we call history of Sikorsky, we call it many others. So there is always, I would say, interpollination happening between our cultures.

If we unite and stop fighting, stop become a sworn in enemies and cooperate to solve the problem we have in a planet, then the sky is a limit or maybe even sky are not limited and together think of this, we really can explore the space. We focus and instead of spending money how we can guarantee you know, destroy the planet

100 or 200 times, we put this efforts into science, into modern medicine, into the space exploration, into new physics. I mean, this would be completely different planet we're living on. Well, you're very wise

man, I'm not embarrassed to say that out loud. And you certainly understand this country and what's happening. Vitrabaut, I appreciate your spending the time. Thank you. Thank you.