The Tucker Carlson Show - Breaking News: Russia Will Nuke Germany & the UK if Ukraine War Continues, Warns Top Putin Advisor

Episode Date: January 15, 2026

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I have no idea, actually, whether those will happen or not, but all signs indicate something is coming. And certainly the momentum is in that direction. and events tend to follow momentum, almost independently of the judgment of people who are in charge. So it looks like we will be striking Iran or doing something there, A. B, it looks like the United States will be taking Greenland from Denmark, which sort of owns it. There are pictures this afternoon of a kind of sad-looking Danish president or king or emir or potentator, whoever runs Denmark. Oh, how the Scandinavians have been diminished.

leaving the White House looking kind of sad. So it looks like the news has been delivered to him. Sorry, no more Denmark for you. Nuck is now an American protectorate. And then, of course, there's Venezuela. Venezuela, as you well know, was changed. It was regime changed, sort of, shortly after New Year's by the Trump administration. And the then leader, Nicholas Maduro and his wife were extradited.

Some say, kidnapped and moved to New York. put on trial, we are told. And so there's that. And that country and the rest of the world are trying to figure out, like, what are the implications of this and what happens to Venezuela next? You have those top three. And of course, you pray sincerely and you hope, and sometimes you tell yourself that everything's going to be completely fine, and it may be completely fine, by the way, we don't know any differently. But you also assess downside risk. What are the potential downside risk? Without getting into too much detail. Of course, they exist. There's downside risk in every human action. And in the case of a strike on Iran, you know, the country could fall apart and become Libya,

which is kind of a big deal, given its geographic location, given its energy reserves, and given the region, you could see Iran strike out at Israel, for example, to such an extent with conventional weapons that the Iron Dome, the fabled Iron Dome, does not protect Israel's two largest cities, and a lot of Israelis get killed. You could see that for sure. That's not a crazy thing to worry about. You could all see attacks against energy infrastructure in the Gulf right across the water from Iran, the six Gulf countries that produce a lot of the world's energy, oil and gas, and you could see those taken out. That's possible. They have air defenses in their energy facilities, but how good are they? We don't know we could find out. And if that happened, you would see an oil

shock, which would lead to a global economic shock of unknown proportions, but that's never good. And in Greenland, what are the downsides of taking Greenland? Well, you establish a precedent that if I have the power, I get to take what I want. That's always been in force. That's human nature. We've constructed a kind of elaborate series of rules, theoretical rules, designed to pretend that's not true and to mitigate it to some extent over the last 80 years. But really, that's always been true and always will be true.

But that's a pretty tough game. Once you write the rules that if someone can take something because they want it, it's okay, you have to live with them. NATO will effectively be done. How can you have a defensive alliance when one member acts against another? Probably can't. NATO was going out anyway. Is it really bad that NATO's going away? No, it's a huge victory for the world and for the United States, but it's going to be tough for its many employees and for the entire infrastructure of foreign policy thinkers such as they are in Washington and Brussels and throughout Europe. They're going to have to face the reality that this is not a real thing anymore. If NATO was real, then the U.S.

wouldn't have taken Greenland. So there's that, apparently, a downside. And then in Venezuela, the downside is obvious. You could have chaos. You could have a black hole. You can have a migrant crisis. Once again, the energy infrastructure could be destroyed. You could see a move against the government that we effectively left in place. Sort of weird to think that a lot of people in Washington are rooting for Delsey Rodriguez, the apparently the head of state now, who's a, accolade of Hugo Chavez, but she also represents stability. And at this point, stability is what people want most. So those are the kinds of things that people who think about this stuff for a minute are concerned about, maybe not panicked, but definitely concerned. But none of those concerns

comes even close to what's happening in Eastern Europe, what's happening between Russia and Ukraine. Russia, and prepare yourselves, because this is the global headline, Russia is actively considering the use of nuclear weapons against Europe, not against Kiev, against Europe, specifically the UK and Germany, just taking out the UK and Germany with nuclear weapons. That's a fact. Now, we're going to explain why we know that that's true in a moment. And at the end of this open, we're going to play an interview. We're going to We did a few hours ago with a man called Sergei Karnaugov, who is a longtime political advisor to Vladimir Putin and one of the most famous public intellectuals in Russia, been around for about 35 years,

advised Boris Yeltsin, you know, 30 years ago, more than 30 years ago. And in that interview, he says point blank, yes, if the Ukraine war continues at this tempo for a year or two more, we, speaking apparently on behalf of the Russian government, on behalf of his friend Putin, or at least someone who's very familiar with President Putin's thinking, we, Russia, will eliminate the UK and Germany with nuclear weapons. Now, that's a headline. No one wants to see Qatari gas wellheads blown up. No one wants to see killing of any kind or destruction of any kind. But taking out the two most important countries in Europe, both of which have big American bases, lots of American personnel, of course, international banking, Germany being the economic

engine of Europe, London being the banking center of Europe, really of the West, along with New York. And of course, these are two ancient countries with which we have close ties, history and kinship, in genetics, we're going to take them out. We're going to eliminate those countries nuclear weapons, saying that right into camera. So that's a pretty big story. Have you read that story? Has anyone mentioned that to you? That the most famous public intellectual in Russia, a close friend of Vladimir Putin's exactly the same age, the two were born a month apart. I've known each other a long time, is saying in public that Russia plans to use nuclear weapons against Western Europe.

Russia is going to blow up the UK and Germany if things don't get resolved soon. You probably haven't heard that. It hasn't actually been on the front page of the New York Times. I don't think the Times of London has mentioned it. No one seems to be paying any attention at all to the biggest story of our lifetimes, potentially. And that's very odd.

And it's not just one guy who's friends with Putin who's saying this. If you watch carefully or not even carefully with one eye open at what Russia's been doing recently, things are changing. So Russia has publicly rewritten its nuclear strategy to include use of nuclear weapons against countries that are acting as proxies for nuclear armed powers. Now, this is kind of classic Russian bureaucratic talk, but it means that under Russian law, Russia is permitted to, by its own rules, blow up Germany, even though Germany does not have nuclear weapons, the UK supposedly does.

I wonder whose hands they're in. But Germany does not have nuclear weapons. And Russia has just said, no, you're a fair game for a nuclear strike. And not a defensive nuclear strike. Like, you launched us, we're going to launch against you. No. You keep poking us in the face and we're going to eliminate you. You said that publicly.

And then last week, a week ago, I think a week ago today, Russia has sent hypersonic missiles into Kiev. into Kiev Ukraine. Now, the hypersonic missiles killed probably four people. This was not an attack designed to destroy important infrastructure or to cause massive civilian casualties. This was an attack designed as a message, and the Russians just said this, point blank. This was an attack designed to say, whoa, you've pushed us too far. We feel like our core interests or existential interests are threatened, and if you don't back off, the next hypersonic missile we send, against which no country has any meaningful defense, you can't stop a hypersonic missile. No one has even claimed that you can.

The next one will have a nuclear warhead on it, and it's coming at you, Europe. So let's just think that's true for a second. Why would Russia, which is supposedly in this bitter war against Ukraine, being backstopped by NATO and the U.S., etc., etc., but they're fighting Ukraine over territory, why? Why would Russia be threatening Europe? Ah, because the Russians, whatever they're false, don't lie to themselves as aggressively as we do. And the Russians are saying out loud what is absolutely true about this war, which is it's a proxy war. It is not a war between Russia and Ukraine, and it never has been.

And nothing that's happened in Ukraine since the fall of the Soviet Union 35 years ago has really been about Ukraine. there has been a global scramble to control Ukraine. Its land, its resources. There are other reasons people want to control Ukraine that are not directly related to land or resources that have to do with history. But in any case, non-Ukrainians have been calling the shots in Ukraine for 35 years. That's what Medan was. That's what the coup, the U.S.-back coup was. None of this had anything to do with Ukraine.

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But first, just to show you how completely this war is being controlled from the outside, on behalf of outside non-Ukrainian interests for reasons that have nothing to do with what's good for Ukraine. I want to show you the following clip. And by the way, if you just want to prove the point, how many Ukrainians have been killed in this war paid for by the West, paid for by NATO and Joe Biden? No one knows. Hundreds of thousands, obviously, it's depopulated the country, but nobody cares. And you would think that if we're waging a war on behalf of the freedom-seeking people of Ukraine, if we love the Ukrainians so much that we're willing to send them hundreds of millions of dollars and our best CIA targeters and willing to put biolabs in their country to defend them from Russian aggression,

you would think if we love them that much, we might keep a tally of how many of them have been killed in the prime of life on the flat landscape of Ukraine. But of course, no one's keeping score because nobody cares. the people running this war on the Western side have zero interest in what it costs Ukraine. None, because it was never about them in the first place. And now to the promise clip, this was shot about 10 years ago. We just saw it. And it's an amazingly instructive piece of videotape.

Now, you will see, and you will recognize immediately the Hungarian man on the left. That would be Mr. George Soros, one of the world's most successful financiers, I think, because he's euphemistically described, a guy who's bet against national currencies, really done nothing to make the world a better place or to improve the lives of individuals, has only sown chaos and hatred and violence, really for the length of his professional life. For whatever reason, whatever motive might be animating him, he is on the left. On the right is a woman called Christia Freeland. Now, she's not Ukrainian either.

She's from Canada. She's from Alberta, Canada. She spent the bulk of her career as a journalist, working for Reuters and other news organizations, news organizations like that, both in London and in Washington, where we spent quite a bit of time with her. And then she became the deputy prime minister of Canada under Justin Trudeau. Hmm. And an economic pooha.

And if you're interested in how well she did, well, you can just look up facts about the current state of the Canadian economy. Not very well. But here's the interesting thing. Just recently, Christia Freeland, who again is not a product of you. She grew up in Ukraine. She grew up in Canada and lived in London and Washington. Christian Friedland is somehow working for president, unelected president, Zelensky, in Ukraine,

who himself is not really that Ukrainian. Grew up speaking Russian. He's a citizen of the world like she is, like they all are. but she's now an unpaid economic advisor to Ukraine. Unpaid. Right. Okay. They're divvying up the natural resources of a country they know will soon collapse with no regard for the people who've been killed.

Of course. But here is Christopher Friland and George Soros 10 years ago talking about Ukraine and in so doing, giving the game away. Watch this. Yeah, and I will just offer my own personal testimony here. It's actually amazing in Ukraine, the new Ukrainian government, the new Ukrainian leadership. Everyone who I know in that group has been touched somehow by open society and by Jordan, like literally. Either people personally got a scholarship or someone, you know, their wife got a scholarship. It's a really remarkable thing.

Well, this is for me quite an experience to see this. And I didn't realize actually how big an effect it has had over a 25-year period because those were students 25 years later. They were leaders. Everybody she knows in Ukrainian leadership, says Christopher Phrylon. everybody has taken money from George Soros or their wives have taken money from George Soros. Everyone running the country is actually employed by this Hungarian billionaire who's got nothing to do with the country. Oh, no one would admit that now.

That's a conspiracy theory. But George Soros smiled and took credit for it. Of course, we had no idea how successful we were. Successful at what? What was the plan here? You put everybody in a country's leadership on your payroll to what end? What were you trying to achieve? Well, I guess we could debate what Soros's motives were at the time, but we don't need to because, as we know, the purpose of a system is its outcome.

Over time, we don't have to guess about why certain people or certain organizations exist. exist, we can instead look at what they do. We can judge the tree by its fruit. And the current state of Ukraine was clearly the point all along. Destroy the country. Depopulate it. Change the laws that prevent foreigners from buying its natural resources. It's land, some of the most fertile farmland in the world. Huge tracks of it. It's an enormous country. It's the biggest country in Europe. Also the weakest and the most corrupt. Many people doing this had ancestors in Ukraine. So there very much is a sense that, wait a second, you know, this is ours too. Christopher-Freeland had ancestors from Ukraine. A lot of people involved in making policy about Ukraine,

had ancestors in Ukraine. And so there is a kind of entitlement that you see on display. No, no, this is an interest, of course. We have a right to weigh in on this. But not for the benefit of the Ukrainians. Really, all of this is about taking what once belonged to the country they claim they loved and using that country in order to defeat its much larger neighbor, which is the real prize, Russia. And this has been true for over 100 years, for hundreds of years. How many times have Europeans tried to invade Russia?

A few. Napoleon tried. Why does everyone want to invade Russia? It's far away. It's freezing. No one ever succeeds in doing it. It's like Afghanistan or Yemen. Not a long track record of victory.

If outside force is taking control, there are a few peoples around the world that are tough to beat, history suggests, and the Russians are at the top of that list. So why do people keep trying? Well, in a word, resources. That's why. Russia is unimaginably large,

literally unimaginably. Most people in the West haven't imagined how large Russia is. Russia is larger than China and India put together. You combine the landmass of China so big you can barely get your head around it and India almost as big and together they're smaller than Russia. Siberia itself is about the size of the continental United States and they're like 10 million people living there. In all of Russia, there are about 140 million, something like that. In all of Russia. Meanwhile, Russia has the deepest energy reserves in the world, some of the highest uranium enrichment in the world. It has, by some measures, the most gold in the world, silver, boxite for aluminum, timber, by far the largest timber reserves in the world, which people still

need, by the way. Pulp for paper, dimensional lumber for building, people still need trees. And Russia has more than any other place, primarily in Siberia, but not just in Siberia, and of course, farmland, and agricultural products, fertilizer, wheat. Russia has as much or more than anyone and very few people. So the promise of access to Russian resources and space and land has been a siren that has called invaders for centuries. And no judgment, by the way, you can see why. If Greenland is a prize, what is Russia the biggest prize of all? And you saw this attitude on display the moment the wall fell. And rapacious foreigners, mostly bankers, moved into Russia and stripped it. And they were

helped along by a lot of unscrupulous indigenous. Russians. It wasn't just outsiders who did it. Some Russian oligarchs did it's their own people, but the fact is a small group of people denuded the country, looted it. And unfortunately, this always plays out in exactly the same way. It's not enough to loot. You have to take everything and drive everyone else into despair, hopelessness, and poverty. And that's exactly what happened. When we started this company, we promised that we would only partner with other companies that share our values. We didn't want to advertise products made by people who hate us or for that matter, you.

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Putin, he's bad. Putin got that under control. And Russia in 2026 bears no resemblance whatsoever to Russia in 2000, the year Putin took over. And one of the main main. changes he made is he kicked the money changers out of the temple. He did. Sorry. Everyone else has forgotten that, ignores it. He kicked the oligarchs out where he brought him to his side. You can't act independently of the national interest. Sure, you can become a billionaire, but some of it has to go to the country. And that was spun in the West as cartel behavior. He's the mafia boss. Okay, fine. He's the mafia boss. But the real answer to the question, did it work or not, is obvious not just in the numbers, but in the state of the country,

the visible state of the country now versus 25 years ago. It's a completely different place. It's no longer Bhutan. It's not Africa. By some measures, it's much richer than any country in Western Europe. In fact, by every measure it is. By every single measure. Is it richer than Spain?

Is it richer than the UK? Oh, yeah. Much. So that is both tempting two elites from around the world. Wait a second. Why do 140 million Russians get all this stuff? We should have some too. But it is also an indictment of their leadership.

If you're Boris Johnson and your ancestors ruled the waves, ruled the British Empire and your country is a kind of sad, Urdu speaking museum now, that's insulting. Really, the Russians? Those weird half-Slavic... I mean, they dominate world chess, but like, really, they're not really white

and how are they doing so well? This is outrageous. It is an indictment of your own leadership. And in countries across Europe, the leaders feel that way. Russia is an embarrassment to them because it is, relatively speaking, thriving. And so they all, as one,

back to the Biden administration's plan to have a war with Russia. And let's stop lying. This was not an unprovoked invasion. Putin just randomly went over the line into eastern Ukraine and stole these oblasts, he stole this land that belonged to another people. That's a total lie. And it's not a defense of Putin to call it out as a lie because it is. And everybody knows it now.

The truth is that in 2001, Putin, same guy, same leader, asked the Bush administration in person directly to George W. Bush, I would like to join NATO. I would like to join the defensive alliance that exists to keep me from moving west into Western Europe. In other words, you won. I'm joining your team. And due in part to his own limitations as a leader and do in part to the council that he received from Condoleez-Rice at the time, George W. Bush turned down that offer and prevented Russia from joining NATO. and the guests we're going to speak to in a moment, if you're wondering if he has a good track record of calling future events, said at the time, this decision to turn down Vladimir Putin,

this is 25 years ago, Vladimir Putin's request to join NATO, to join the West, to all be in it together, to work together. This decision made by the Bush administration guarantees a collision with the West. We are now on a collision course. And of course, he was absolutely right. because NATO didn't want Russia because NATO wanted a war with Russia. And boy, they got it. And so from 2001 all the way to 2022, 21 years, NATO moved inexorably east surrounding Russia.

And many times, again, this is not a defense of Russia. It's just a fact. Many times the Russian government under Putin said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You are threatening our core national interest, which is not to have other people's missiles on our borders back off. And then in 2014, the Obama administration overthrew the government of Ukraine to put an American puppet in there, thereby sealing the fate of nations. When that happened, and Sergei Karganov said it at the time, you have just guaranteed a war in Ukraine that will destroy Ukraine. So as you listen to the interview, and we hope you listen carefully because the

English is not flawless and it was done over satellite from Moscow. So it's a lot of not the best audio, but it's worth listening. That man that you're going to hear has a long track record of calling events right. And it's not to detract from his powers of perception or his intellect, which is formidable, to say other people could have drawn the same conclusions because it's pretty freaking obvious. If you exclude Russia from NATO, you're probably seeking a war with Russia. And if you try to put nuclear armed missiles on Russia's border, probably going to get a military response. That's exactly what he said. And of course, he was laughed at in Europe where he'd spent a lot of his life. And he was totally ignored by the United States.

And our policymakers were on to this, that, or the other thing, they were not paying any attention at all. And to the extent they were, they were very excited for this war with Russia. And they never really explained why. And then once that war began four years ago, they began to act through their proxy, the Ukrainian government under Zelensky, truly a proxy in a war that has been managed from day one in part by the CIA, our CIA, targeting by the CIA, and even tells you that's not true, is lying. They begin to act with not just recklessness, but extreme recklessness, the kind of behavior that suggests you don't care about the consequences at all. You're just all in. Actually, at some point, the kind of behavior that suggests a death wish,

This is just like I actually want a nuclear holocaust. I'm happy to risk the lives of my family, my nation, and the world in a nuclear exchange. And we know that because of what they did. They blew up Nord Stream, which was the main source of natural gas for Europe. So that did two things. One, it destroyed the European economy. That was obviously going to happen. And it did.

Because you can't have a robust economy, certainly not a manufacturing. extra economy without cheap energy. Without cheap energy, you're left with what? Real estate and finance. And of course, the people making these decisions are familiar only with real estate and finance, because that's the world they live in. But in the real world, countries become rich and powerful and stable and resilient because they make things. So that's the first thing. We blew up Nord Stream so that destroys our supposedly closest allies in Europe, particularly in Germany. Germans hate themselves so much. They won't even admit that we did it, but we did it through proxies, but we did it, as we said we would.

And the second thing that it did is sent a very clear message to Russia. We're done. We're not going to have a kind of Vietnam scenario where we have a proxy war, but, you know, there are limits to our behavior. Yeah, we'll spray Agent Orange, but we're not actually going to, you know, level Hanoy. We'd bomb it on the edges, but there are limits to what we're going to do because we don't actually want to war with the Soviets. American and NATO behavior since the beginning of this war suggests there are no limits at all. Blowing up Russian infrastructure, trying to assassinate Putin repeatedly. They lie about it, but yes, they have.

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They're not a great power. You know what Russia is? Russia's a gas station with nuclear weapons. Watch this. I think economic sanctions are a very important step. Identify these kleptocrats. Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country. It is a wounded and declining nation.

It has an uncompetitive economy. Senator McCain used to joke that, Russia is a gas station pretending to be a country. Its declining population, of course, contributes to its decline. What's your view of Putin? Look, I think he's got grand ambitions. I think he's hostile to the United States, but I think the thing that we've seen is

he doesn't have the conventional capability to realize his ambitions. And so he's basically a gas station with a bunch of nuclear weapons. If the president could rally the world to push back against Russian aggression and really hit them economically, have sanctions that hit really hard, then Putin is basically a gas station masquerading as a country. There's really nothing more embarrassing. And as someone who knows all four of the men you just saw say that, you pause and you think we are a great nation,

the United States, we're a great nation. And we should be led, in particular, policies that matter that could determine whether your children live or die, should be led by great men. men with wisdom, above all, restraint, a sense of longitudinal interest. It matters what this looks like in 100 years. That should be part of the calculation. And knowledge and lived experience.

And none of those four men, you just saw all four of whom have been major players in formulating U.S. foreign policy over many decades. None of them meet any of those criteria. These are weak, unwise in the case of John McCain, though very charming, I will say, low- IQ people. true. That's just true. They don't know anything. So you could say, everything about Russia, I found repulsive. Everything about it offends my sensibilities as an American. That's fine. People feel that way. But you can't dismiss it as a gas station with nuclear weapons because that reveals you as ignorant. Because it is the opposite of that, of course, on a cultural level, the country that

produced Tolstoy and Dostoevsky, more than a gas station. But it also suggests that you are doing the one thing you can never do with an adversary, and that's underestimate his power and resilience. You have to see the people you're in conflict with clearly, or you will get hurt. That's the real risk here, not just you'll act like the ugly American or a buffoon. There are a gas station with nuclear weapons. What a clever line. I heard that for my donor. I'm going to repeat it. I'd meet the press, which is exactly what the poor DeSantis, doesn't know anything, was doing, trying to sound statesman-like. Oh, I just heard. this, well, gas station nuclear weapons. So good. You know, you reveal that you're just a

rube. Go back to Orlando. But it's more than that. You can wind up way over your head. And we are now way over our heads because of that attitude. Lindsay Graham, who, to his credit, has been around. He's been everywhere. Lindsay Graham has still not picked up the one quality you hope that travel instills in a person, which is wisdom. Zero. And there's a particularly sad line at the end of the clip you just saw from Lindsay Graham where he said, if just we can make our sanctions tough sanctions. That will bring Russia to its knees. Well, we did that, actually. But who got brought to his knees? Was it Russia? No, it was not. It was us. One of the saddest things as country's ever done is sabotaged its own currency over time. But if you were to isolate a moment

where the U.S. dollar's future became dim, it would have to be in the Biden administration's immediate response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. That was the moment that we kicked Russia out of Swift. We just stole the personal property of people who didn't work for the Russian government, the so-called oligarchs, which just means businessmen. Just took their stuff because they had Russian names and prevented Russians from playing in international sporting events. You can't be at Wimbledon. There's an O.V. at the end of your name or whatever.

So we humiliated ourselves, of course, by behaving. Who behaves like that? But we also sabotaged our own core interest, which is the maintenance of the U.S. dollars, the world's reserve currency. That's the key thing that we have. It's not our manufacturing base that makes us rich. Sorry, which it was. It's the U.S. dollars, the privilege of holding.

the currency that say energy transactions are conducted in. Everyone has to use dollars. It's called the petrodollar. Been there since 1971. You tamper with that and the bills come due and you become poor. And then all the downstream effects of poverty, which include violence, by the way, and chaos. That was the single most unwise thing any administration has done in my lifetime,

56 years. That was the dumbest thing. that was the most self-destructive thing. So what was gold trading at? Do you remember, if you got a phone in your hand right now, look it up? What was gold trading at? Just say February 1st, 2022. About $1,700 an ounce, which is high.

It was high. You check gold prices today, the spot price of gold today? It's about $4,600 per ounce. Has the S&P grown that much in four years? No. Has anything? No. Why gold?

Is there some new industrial application for gold? No. There are some, but not really. People are buying gold as an option to the U.S. dollar. Gold is what you buy when you want out of the dollar because you don't believe it has a bright future. You dump your treasuries and you buy gold. And the people who actually understand the system because they made it and participated in it and are its biggest players are doing that. China is doing that.

Now, why in 2026 would you dump treasuries, which they have, a lot of treasuries, and buy gold, the most primitive medium of exchange? Like the Assyrians use gold. Gold? Only superstitious people buy gold. Not making the case that there's some inherent quality in gold that makes it valuable. I'm making the case that compared to what? You're doing that because you believe the use.

U.S. dollar is unsafe. And why do you believe that? Because the U.S. government just used it as a political weapon against a great power. That's why. Anybody could have figured this out. And the second thing that happened, almost immediately, is that Russia formed a durable alliance with China. Now, think about this for a second. Donald Trump, to his great credit, used to say this. The worst thing Biden ever did was drive Russia into an alliance with China. Why is that the worst thing? Because here you have the largest economy in the world, which is China, and you have the largest resource density in the world and the biggest country in the world, which is Russia, combining against you. So I think by anybody's count, there are four really

kind of major players in our near to long term future globally, and they are the U.S. Russia. It's more than a gas station with nuclear weapons, sorry. India and China. Now, who knows where India is going to land, but if you've got Russia and China against you, it's tough. That's not unipolar.

That's like an actual threat to your interests. That's an actual threat to your, don't allow that. The reason Richard Nixon flew to Beijing 50 years ago, 55 years ago, and met with Chairman Mao, by the way, was a lot more of a monster than Putin's ever thought of being, was not a Christian, unlike Putin, killed 100 million of his own people.

Richard Nixon flew there anyway and, quote, opened up China, made an alliance with China. Why? To split it from Russia. Because he understood that was the threat, the bloc, the alliance of countries that don't share our interest is a massive threat to us. And to the dollar. He did that. And it worked for like 50 years. until Joe Biden with the help of the U.S. Congress,

probably the largest collection of unwise cowards in the English-speaking world got together and decided that they could levy sanctions against this country, which they deem bad for reasons they never really explained, except Russia reacted to their provocations and went over a border that no one can find out of a map. Because of that, we needed to act and do something because we're Winston Churchill, not Neville Chamberlain, and everything's about World War II, need to stop Russian aggression. By the way, we were on Russia side during World War II, but shut up.

You're not supposed to know that. And we're going to punish them, not by actually joining the Ukrainian military and putting our lives on the line because, hey, we've got better things to do than go die in someone else's war. But we're going to sanction them. Very tough sanctions. Despite the living proof that not only do sanctions not work, they are counterproductive to the stated aims. And if that's untrue, what happened in Cuba, exactly? And it's. And if that's untrue, what happened in Cuba exactly, which got sanctioned in about 1960. Oh, Raul Castro was still alive and still has power in that country. The country's gotten poor. Don't think Roel Castro has. They don't work. They have the opposite effect. And by the way, they are dishonorable and feline. They're a weak man's

form of diplomacy. When Lindsay Graham is running around pretending to be tough, the man with a size five shoe is telling you he's the man on the scene. You know what you're watching is pantomime. It's acting. You're watching a weak man pose as a strong man. And the decisions that he makes reflect that. That's why they all love sanctions. But in this case, in this specific case, sanctions shafted the United States. And I think it's worth saying that out loud. So our grandchildren looking back on this time and asking, why don't we live like our grandparents did, can assign appropriate blame. Sanctions did not punish Vladimir Putin. They

punished the United States and they completely destroyed Europe, which is where our ancestors came from and where a religion comes from. So it's not a small thing. But they didn't work. And by the way, neither did the military action that we spent hundreds of millions of dollars paying for in Ukraine. A military action that was never designed to liberate Ukraine, but to beat Russia, whatever that means. How can you beat a cohesive ancient empire? Probably can't. when this country was founded 250 years ago, Russia was an empire. It's not like us, okay? Russia will be here.

We know that, whether you like it or not. So deal with it in a constructive way. But they couldn't. And so once the war got rolling and it became really, really clear that we had lost, oh, we haven't lost. What are you? A Putin puppet? Okay.

Really simple metric. Putin rolls across the border into Ukraine, Ukraine. really just like a satellite of the United States and the Biden administration, but rolls into this supposedly different country and we can't get them out, no matter how many hundreds of dollars we send them, and how many biolabs we have there, no matter how many threats, I have no CIA officers we send over there to do the targeting of the drones, still there. And they're not leaving. So what does that leave you with?

well again i would refer you to not the smartest foreign policy strategies we have but certainly the most cable friendly lindsay graham watch this how does this in somebody in russia has to step up to the plate is there brutus in russia is there more successful colonel stoppenberg in the russian military the only way this shit ends my friend is for somebody in russia to take this guy out you would be doing your country a great service and the world a great service. I'm hoping somebody in Russia will understand that he's destroying Russia and you need to take this guy out by any means possible. Yeah, I hope he'll be taken out one way or the other.

I don't care how they take him out. I don't care if we send him to the Hague and try him. I just want him to go. Yes, I'm on record. Please understand. Senator Lindsey Graham, and if John McCain were here, he'd be saying the same thing I think. It's time for him to go.

He's a war criminal. I wish somebody had taken Hitler out in the 30s. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Do you really want to call for the extrajudicial murder of another head of state? Is that a precedent you want to live with? Probably not, actually. Probably not. And if you're a country that believes in the rule of law, pretty shocking thing, really,

for a lawmaker to say, well, just assassinate them. It's just a tool of foreign policy. No, we're not Israel. We don't conduct foreign policy through assassination, actually. We shouldn't. Apparently now we do. Is that okay with people? You don't like someone, so you just kill them?

If those are the rules, we will have to live with those rules. And you don't need a particularly powerful imagination to envision how that ends and not well at all. So if you're going to be a beacon of freedom, be one and call the just to account and don't punish the innocent, which is why sanctions are not only ineffective but also immoral. But moreover, if you're waging a war against a country, and we've been at war with Russia for four years, despite what the liars tell you, we have been at war with Russia for four years, probably not a good idea to admit that you're losing on television, which is what Lindsey Graham just did.

We have no choice but to take him out. And third, it's probably unwise to admit that you know nothing about the country that you are fighting, that you're obsessed with. Taking Putin out will solve the problem. Putin is an absolute dictator. He's dictatorial, that's for sure. You probably wouldn't want to walk by the Kremlin and give him the finger. He'd probably be punished for that. But does he have absolute control over Russia?

does any leader of any country ever have absolute control over the country? Did Stalin know? He consulted with the constituencies in his country. They all do. Every one of them. Our president, every emir in the Gulf, every king, sultan, potentate, head of the CCP. Everyone's got a board of directors in this world. Everyone. And Putin is no different. And Putin, again, like every head of state is balancing a bunch of different shareholders every single day. They get the FSB and then divisions within the FSB. You got the military. You got the business community, the oligarchs, as we call them.

Very different from our oligarchs who are just tech CEOs. They're oligarchs. But everyone's got a piece of this enterprise. They call Russia and everyone gets to say. And no head of state acts unilaterally. So the idea that you take Russia out and everyone just gives up, oh, Putin's gone. We can, I don't. know, turn it over to Zelensky is ridiculous.

And only someone who didn't understand how the world works would say something like that. So what's the point? The point is exactly what we've seen in a lot of other countries. Iraq, Syria, you hope not Iran, but likely cause chaos. Because in chaos, I can dominate and I can steal. And the people who are paying me to have these views, A lot of them are exiled Russian oligarchs who Putin kicked out could get back in there and scoop up the resources. There's no reason Putin should control all the bauxite in Russia or whatever, all the oil, all the gas, all the gold.

We should. So create chaos in this country, the biggest country on Earth with 150 million people in the largest nuclear arsenal, and I'll get rich. And even if you signed up for that program, which you shouldn't because it's disgusting, But let's say you did think that was a good idea. Part of your reptile brain would start beeping red. Alert, alert, alert. That's really reckless. Because I can't control what happens next.

There are too many nuclear weapons in this country. They have massive military industrial power. They make a lot of weapons. They make a lot of steel. They have a lot of cheap energy. There's a real place. And it's got a huge Muslim population, 20%. And they're kind of peaceful now.

Will they be? These are the kind of things, an adult would ask himself before calling to knock off a head of state, you could destroy the world. But they haven't asked themselves those things, because they don't care. And above all, they are unfit for leadership of the West. And that includes our foreign policy establishment, and it includes virtually every single head of state in Europe.

And for that, they are on the cusp of being eliminated, literally. And I'll just speak for myself and say, I really hope that doesn't happen. Yes, Kier-Starmer's a joke. Of course, he's an insult to our ancestors. If you're English, he's an insult to our ancestors and to that nation. Of course, Macron is ridiculous. Germany. But do you want to see them destroyed?

And according to Serge Sergei Karnagov, they're very close to being. So with that, watch this interview and ask yourself, why is this not on the front page of every paper, why is this not on the lips of every European and every American, because it's entirely real. Here's the interview. Mr. Karganov, thank you very much for joining us.

How do you believe this war will end? This war could and should be ended, not only when Russia achieves total defeat of Europe.

hopefully without eliminating Europe. We are fighting not Ukraine, not Zeltsky and the like. We are fighting again Europe, which has been the source of all ills and all sources of evil in the history of humanity, of two world wars. The EU has been several times invading us. Last time it was openly in the 41, 45, when 90% 95% of European countries went, came here under the

under the banners of Hitler. Now, unbelievably, after all their defeats, they haven't learned the question. The lesson, they're still pushing for big war. I think, I mean, the reason is obviously that the total failure of what the European elites. But so when we talk about the end of this war, it's not about, I mean, doing away with a war in Ukraine, with the source of this war, and that is the Evel Europe, which, by the way, sucked United States several times into war, and which have been the source of the worst things

in the history of humanity, including, of course, world wars, including racism, colonialism, and many other good, bad things, including now, they have been the main source of the post-human values of which which they have been exporting. I mean, they have been exporting. I mean, partly pollutes the United States. So now we are fighting that. They tried to pollute them. I'm not speaking about all Europe. I mean, there are many distant people

and even countries there. But the question is that Europe is returning back to where it used to be during the last 500 years. And that is the source of all evil in the history of humanity. What does it look like to defeat Europe? The war can't end until Russia defeats Europe, you said.

What does that mean? For the time being, we are thinking about a piecemeal deal, about an narcissist, which has been offered by President Trump in good faith over. Again, until the will of European elites is not to continue confrontation for the sake. of saving themselves from the old covering up for the old or covering up for the all mistakes they have done. That war will not stop. So I'm relatively skeptical as to the short-time possibilities of a piecemeal deal.

However, of course, if we achieve something along the road and people will stop to be killed, well, their opportunities should be used. But I'm pretty sure that their problem is much deeper. And it is not Ukraine, it is not the landscape and whomever. It is that Europe is again returning to its worst. and that is that is the source of all evil in the history of human

why do you think I mean I think from an American's perspective it's very obvious that European leaders are focused on Russia in the big countries Germany, France, Great Britain the leadership of all three countries is focused on Russia as the threat

why do you think that is No, it is very simple. I mean, I'm a founder of the Institute of Europe, and I used to be a Eurofile 40 years ago, and then I learned them better, and I became highly skeptical. They are complete failures on all accounts. I mean, moral, political, economic, et cetera, Europe is going down. Also, they are unable now to exploit. the world and to suck the rent from the world which they have been getting due to their military

preponderance over the last 500 years. And that was stopped in the 60s and 70s, and they got into a deep crisis already. But at that time, I mean, for all kinds of reasons, the Soviet Union collapsed. And And they believe that their golden age would continue. But now they understand that this golden age is finished. And they are desperate. They understand that they could not leave on others' money. Also, they start to understand that they could not live on the cushion of U.S. protection.

because the US is tired of them and they don't need it anymore. So there's a total desperation of this layer of globalist, quote-unquote, liberal, European elites. Also there, by the way, process of anti-meritocracy. I mean, never in history of Europe. have we had such a low level of intellectual capacities in the leadership of most European countries, not all, but almost. So Europe is basically out of gas. It's out of energy.

It's dying. And so you're arguing that their leadership sees a defeat of Russia as the only way back. A continuation of what... At first they thought of a possibility of defeat of Russia, which was, I mean, a kind of a fantastic illusion. But still some people, because of their intellectual, quote-unquote, incapacity. And they are still talking about that. But what is defeat of Russia? Just if Russia comes ever close to a defeat?

That would mean that Russia would use nuclear weapons and the Europe will be finished physically. So, I mean, it's simply impossible even to think about it. But they have been talking because they need a war to rationalize their stay in power, to rationalize their existence. And it is not about even defeat of Russia now. It is simply keeping on with the failing European Union, with a failing European Union, with a failing economy, now with fading European positions in the world. Everybody in the world now loves Europe, which used to be, by the way, one of the core centers of world power.

And now it's a joke. Of course, I'm not speaking of all Europe. We know that there are decent Europeans, there are smart Europeans. Though in my class, political class, of European thinkers, and you are on foreign policy and defense, etc., etc.,

there's only one or two men or persons left. I wouldn't name them because that would jeopardize them. in the eyes of the audience, but nobody else. I do not have any interlocutor, almost any interlocutor in Europe anymore. When you say everyone knows that the Russian government, if pressed, would use nuclear weapons against Europe.

You mean that, is my question. And do you think that the Europeans understand that? Europeans, because they have been, first of all, intellectually degrading after the 1968 so-called student revolution, which killed most of European education, and because of anti-meritocracy of a modern European democratic system, do not understand. or are unable to understand what is happening fully. And also they are entertaining what I call strategic parasitism. I don't know what I'd call it.

They believe that war will never come to their territory. They forgot about the war and that is terrible because they have been their source of most wars in the history of humanity. but now they are not afraid. So now, one of the tasks of Russia, in addition to others, is to bring them to census, hopefully without using nuclear weapons, only with the threat of their use,

and I'm criticizing my government of being too prudent and too patient with them. But sooner or later, if they continue to support this war, sacrificing new millions of Ukrainians and others, the Russian pursuit of legendary perseverance will go thin, and will have to punish them severely. hopefully, in a limited sense. It's interesting that you say their leaders no longer fear nuclear weapons. You would think everyone would fear nuclear weapons, given their destructive capacity.

Why would any person not fear the threat of a nuclear attack? Because, well, let's put us, we believe that they are like us, but they're not like us. They have had a total degradation of thinking class and of the ruling class. I mean, when a chancellor, quote, unquote, of Germany is talking about, I mean, we're creating a Buddhist fair to be the strongest. army in Europe, what does that mean? That means that he addums his country for elimination. I have been talking with Europeans through most of my adult life.

I stopped doing that in 1930 when there was a meeting of European leaders in which I participated and I said that if you continue into this your system, there will be a big war and millions of Ukrainians will die. And nobody dared to look into my eyes. There were 70 or 80 people. Most of them, you know. They have degraded to the level that they are dangerous. Idiots or moral idiots.

Yes. Most not all of them, but most. you are quoted in one place saying they no longer fear God therefore they no longer fear war how are those two related absolutely I mean they lost well not all again there are normal people they I mean Europe has lost its core moral political spiritual core that And now they, as you know, most of them have lost the fear, well, the trust in God. That doesn't mean, and they lost a normal illusion. Most of their traits of the human.

Europe is under this leadership or under this leadership is becoming anti-European in terms of historical European and anti-human. They have brought natism, which was anti-human, etc. Now they have brought to us, you have been infected to the less extent, something absolutely anti-human, a loss of respect to those family, those love between men and women, those respect for seniors, those patriotism, etc. What is then Europe? And of course, trust and God, what is left? I mean, it is a moral hope.

However, of course, I'm not speaking about all Europeans, there are normal people. However, of course, I'm not unable to talk to them. I am not able to talk to them because they are in a major. They are forbidden to talk to us. And if they talk to us, they are then called and summoned to the police or security services. So I have a lot of, still probably a lot of friends in Europe. But I do not have any contacts with them because they are banned, because their elites from talking to us,

because their elites are preparing them for war. at least morally, though the same elites could not comprehend that if a real big war is unleashed in Europe and a war sooner later this war in Ukraine, which is we are waging with Europeans, escalates, there will be no Europe. Thanks God, we have changed our nuclear doctrine. And recently our president said he was a very cautious and very polite man, but he said something very important. He said that if Europe continues and Europe gets into real direct conflict with Europe, there would be nobody in Europe could talk to. But I hope and I beg, and I pray the way, I pray that he or us wouldn't have to make this decision. But as I've said before, Europe is the source of the most evils

and it returns to its worst times. Twice in the past, roughly the past year, the Ukrainians have tried to, at least twice, tried to kill your president, President Putin. That's my read of it. Why do you think they did that? What's the thinking there? Well, it is very simple. I mean, they're belligerent. I mean, some people believe that he could solve the problem of Russia by killing our president.

Our present is, I have only one problem with our present. He's too cautious. They do not. to course and he shows too much perseverance. I am criticizing him indirectly, or sometimes even directly as in our conversation with you. But they simply want, of course they could not kill. It's simply a noble hatred of people who have lost their minds.

well, the question of course of doing away with the just of foreign countries is an American question. As you know, but they are pumping up hatred towards Russia like mad. I'm part of a historian. I must say that even Hitler is Germany.

The level of anti-Russian propaganda, Russophobia, was maybe we could, or at least equal to what is happening in Europe. What would happen if your president were to be assassinated by the Ukrainians or Europe or the United States? What would be the next step? Let's hope that would not happen. But then, of course, that would mean that we will punish hopefully not in the United States but Europe will be taken away

from the map of the humanity it should be pushed away from the geopolitical and geostrategic math because it is a nuisance I hope it would not be punished in the physical way. Though I am starting to say that these idiots

do not elicit anything but physical pain. And that's no later. We have to go up the ladder on escalation. And if they did not stop this senseless war and still in and around Ukraine, we would have to start to attack Europe with conventional weapons And then next step will be waves of nuclear strikes. I hope we wouldn't reach that point because using nuclear weapons, any weapon is a sin. But using nuclear weapons is a double sin.

And I don't want to be Russia to be that. biggest sin that we have all all of our sins but if needed we have to eliminate the European threat to humanity

how far are we from Russia using nuclear weapons against Europe two years na if they do well one year well first of all I've been calling on my government to escalate earlier

But President Putin is very religious and he is cautious. And we have been climbing up the ladder of escalation, changing our nuclear doctrine and lowering the nuclear threshold, building up our nuclear potential in Europe and else. But in the hope that we could stop them before crossing. threshold, as I've said, I think that Putin believes that using nuclear weapons, and I believe, by the way, is a sin, but it might be a necessary sin in order to save humanity. That's why I have been calling for limited nuclear use of nuclear weapons against Europe, because otherwise the world would drift into a third world towards which Europeans are pushing all of us.

I mean, they have already done that twice in history, sucking the United States. You have a couple of times saved them, you Americans. Now, we once suffered, but then saved them again, but now they're back. And with the old game, we have to, either to punish them or to help them to change their minds. It is not, I'm not calling for regime change, but if Europeans do not change these elites for more national-oriented, for more responsible, they are doomed. And I hate this idea because culturally I am a European. Of course, we are moving towards Siberia, we are going towards East. We are saying and sincerely that we are becoming a Eurasian nation or returning back to where it would belong to become the Eurasian nation.

But the loss of Europe would be a bit of it. Before I ask you about what you think Russia should do relative to the rest of the world, becoming Eurasian rather than European, which it seems to be doing, if there were nuclear strikes from Russia into Europe in the next year or two, as you said there may be, what countries would that include? Well, we are online. So I have written that several times that if we strike Poznan, Americans would never respond.

Americans would never respond anyway. But if we, but I hope the pools are becoming, by the way, more sensible. They understand that they are playing with fire. and they're trying to retreat from the front lines of this conflict. But my choice would be Britain and Germany. You'd take out Britain and Germany with nuclear weapons. I beg our almighty that wouldn't happen. Yes.

But Germany should be the first because Germany is the source. Because Germany is the source of the worst. in the European history. But I hope, again, I have many German friends. I hope that it would. You, I think, just came back from Beijing. Certainly the ties between Russia and China are much, much deeper than they were four years ago. From an American perspective, the idea of a permanent Russia-China alliance is a threat to our future, it would seem.

Is that alliance permanent? Well, for the time being, for the for civil future, it is a source of great strength to Russia and to China and our Chinese friends understand that. But what will happen in 10 to 15 years, we would not know. So we're planning for all kinds of futures. But our best solution is to reach a world where four great powers will be working together for defining, I mean, the rules of behavior in the future world. These four powers are China, Russia, the United States, in India.

And that kind of configuration Also means that we will and we should and we will of course Balance the overall preponderance of China Visiting Russia but at this juncture China is a fantastic asset. It is not a threat But just in case we should create this at least four

country system. Plus we are building what we call Greater Eurasia. And that is a system of relationship where China will be balanced by major powers

within Eurasia, including India, Persia, Turkey, and Russia, and Russia and others. But the Chinese, I mean, we talk with them sincerely about necessity to balance them. It is hard for them to solve that, but they're starting to understand that it is in their interest to create a balance system of the issue within Eurasia. But worldwide, United States should be a key player because without the United States we will not

succeed in dealing with the unbelievable problems we are facing in the coming years. Does Russia jeopardize its soul by leaving the West, given that it's a Orthodox country, its cultural legacy is Western? We are saving our soul. I mean, of course, some of my competitors would not agree with me, but let us remind you and me and others that our soul came from the east and from the south. We took Christianity from Palestine and who the Orthodox Church is the true Christianity because Catholics left

at the beginning of the previous millennium We parted with them, but still we are, of course, we're Christians. And we're brothers. We are very much an Islamic country, 20% of our population. We also take it from the South. Then we have a strong Buddhist population. We'll also take it from the Southeast. And Judaism is also here in aphanage religion.

And the political system, which we have built over years, we have inherited from their greatest empire of them all from Chingle-Shan Empire. But of course, many Russia would disagree now with me, but it is a simple truth. We are Asian Empire with a very strong European cultural. influence which we love and adore. We will never pass. But we are not a European, thank God. And we are now starting to acknowledge that because our European journey has been to which Peter the Great started for because of certain reasons because we are not. backward in technological terms, it's over. It should have been over 150 years ago.

We, it could say that's for many troubles, including things like World Wars, communism, etc. Now, but now we are potting. But hopefully, keeping the traits of European cultural heritage we share with you. with you in our hearts and our minds. What effect from your perspective have Western sanctions had on Russia? Do you believe sanctions hurt Russia? Yeah.

Or helped it? Oh, yes. I mean, we invited, I mean, I have been calling for a corporation with the rest long before we, stopping, stopping them in the expansion of NATO, et cetera, long before we decided. Of course, I mean economically wise they heard, but strategically wise, political,

wise, cultural wise, they have been a blessing. We have, with the help, we have invited fire, unfriendly fire on our own. We have done away the Comprador elites. We have thrown away without any repressions, the fifth call. We are returning back our Russian culture, our Russian soul. We are becoming Russians. And the only problem with this sanctions and with this war is that we have to pay for it with the lives or our best man. But other than that, it has been a blessed.

And I do not want them to be lifted. of course someone should be, so we have a relationship and we earn some additional money. But Russia, which is threatened, is again a war-fighting nation. We are nation of wars. And when we started to be attacked, even indirectly, now directly, then we turn to to our best. And that's why the country is his experience unbelievable

releases. The only problem is that we are losing the best man. And that should be stopped. And that leads to my last question, Mr. Kargonov, which is you've described this as

as a war, a civilizational war between Russia and Europe. What role does the United States our administration, our president play in ending it? What can President Trump do to end the war? Well, I mean, Americans were

very crucial in starting this war because the whole problem started in the early 2000s when American administration started to peddle to prop up the

European issue because they were afraid of a possibility of building their continental allies between Russia and Germany. So in a way, Americans are also the source, have been a source of the problem. As to the Trump administration offer, I didn't like the offer which Mr. Trump offered

because it doesn't solve the real problem. And the real problem is European hostility, European aggression. But for the time being, we should use this opportunity, if possible. And then, of course, we all know that President Trump has curtailed his internal affairs. And also, now we see that his offers are deluded by all kinds of efforts from within, by his quote, and allies, but if we, but we could try him for a while with his offer. Maybe eventually we would end up with the solution of the problem.

And that is the solution of the problem is, of course, as I've said, is Europe. However, I do not foresee that, unfortunately, that possibility. So even if we stop this war, we should be prepared when the war resumes to do away with the source of this war. And that is a hostility of European elites. and they are willingness to fuel warfare on the European subcontinent. But let's give Trump a chance, although I am not sure whether he or we would succeed under circumstances. You know the international situation in the United States better.

And also, by the way, we could not rely. all respect to your president on him. He has a country behind him, which is deeply divided. He has a huge opposition. And then he's also playing full games. So I don't think, I hope we could arrange something. But we are,

We are watching very carefully the fact that presidential administration has inducted the leader of a big country. We are watching very carefully that American Marines are acting like pirates on high seas, seizing tankers, wearing Russian flags, Russian partners. If that continues, we'll have to go back to rough deterrence, but we would like to have, if not cordial, but a good relationship with the United States and with other two great countries in the world. But we'll see whether he could deliver. I think he wants to deliver, but whether he's able is a big question.

So we keep our fingers crossed and let's give us the absolute sure. We hope that he is sincere, but we do not trust American policies. And to certain extent, his proposals look like a honey tramp. trap because nothing happens, continue the war. Not talking about peace, peace, peace, peace. I mean, referring to what knows who knows who's Zelensky or other pigmies in Europe who are blocking it. And it seems that this war is continuing,

and maybe the United States in the end do not want to finish this one. So then we'll have to come back to the solution, which I have mentioned several times. And that is of starting to punish our European enemies, with an understanding, hopefully, that United States would and knowing that they would refer

afraid from participating in the nuclear war in Europe. I think it's important for American policymakers and the American citizenry, the country, to understand the Russian perspective. And I'm grateful that you gave it to us. Mr. Kargonov, thank you very much for your time. Thank you. It was a pleasure. Thank you for me too.

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