The Tucker Carlson Show - Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?

Episode Date: March 14, 2025

Clayton Morris of Redacted on Brigitte Macron, false flags and how the world really works. (00:00) Why Morris Quit Fox News to Move to Portugal (08:53) How Portugal Is Being Exploited by the European Union (19:14) Why Are Female Leaders the Most Bloodthirsty? (25:55) Portugal’s Mass Medical Malfeasance (39:35) George Soros’ War with Russia (48:59) Trump and Vance’s Meeting With Zelensky Paid partnerships with: ExpressVPN: Go to https://ExpressVPN.com/Tucker and find out how you can get 4 months of ExpressVPN free! Eight Sleep: Get $350 off the Pod 4 Ultra at https://EightSleep.com/Tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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always made me cringe. But anyway... Morning Joe. Morning Joe! So good. You, me, Mika. Right. A lot of Xanax. Right. All of the neocons.

Oh, my gosh. And then you went off into business. I think you're the only person I've ever seen leave an anchor position in television voluntarily. No one ever does that. They wait to get destroyed in a sex scandal or, or, you know,

get dementia or something, but you actually just left and went into business and were successful. And then you moved to Europe with your family, your beautiful family. And then the next time I heard of family, your beautiful family. And then the next time I heard of you, I was taking my trash out and my neighbor goes, did you see what Clayton and Natalie said? And I'm like, I only know one Clayton and Natalie. And I was like, Clayton Morris, Natalie Morris. And he's like, yeah, unredacted their show. Did you see it?

And I was like, no. Anyway, and then I dove in and I saw that you had become legit successful in a completely different business saying things that I loved and that were true and really brave. So it's just great to see you after all this time. What a life story you've had. It's amazing. I'm just so thrilled. You know, I just saw you in the parking lot. I was like, oh, my God. I'm going to run up and give you a hug because it's been eight or nine years. Yeah. It's, it's crazy to think,

I mean the trajectory and I find it very difficult to relate to people that haven't been beat up, scratched, beat up, gone through the ringer, you know, like there's, it's like, that's for sure. Operating at a different level now, you know? And so, well, it's funny. I do remember you in commercial breaks because on those morning shows you have really long commercial breaks. Yeah. And then, you know, one anchor will take a segment or whatever. There's like a lot of time sitting on the dumb couch. And you never wasted a second of it. I'd like stare off into space like a dog or text my wife, naughty things.

But you were constantly either doing business or reading about things. I'll never forget that. You were totally absorbed in your studies and your work in commercial breaks. How did you wind up with Redacted? Like, how did that – I've never even asked you. How did that happen? You know, after we left, so 10 years at Fox, great time, had a blast. But, you know, you realize, oh, I've been doing the same sort of segments over and over again.

You know, you're doing like the same breakfast cereal segment over and over again after 10 years. And you're saying, okay, I want something different now. I want to be able to see my kids on the weekend. I don't want to have to wake up at 3.30 in the morning, you know, and when everyone else is at the park with their kids on a weekend. You know, people at bagel shops and stuff like that. And so I didn't get to do that. And my wife would send me pictures of what the kids were doing, making little projects or things.

And I would be at work, which is great. So then it was after 10 years, I said, okay, enough is enough. And it's time to do something for myself and for my family. And then we thought about where in the world we would live. What part of the country would we live in? And we started thinking bigger about, well, maybe we'll just have this adventure and go to Europe and give that a shot.

And we thought, well, Portugal, that's close enough to the East Coast. It's actually faster to fly from the East Coast of the US to Lisbon than it is from the East Coast to San Francisco, where my wife's family is from. So great, the kids are young enough. We have three kids. Like, let's give them this adventure.

Let's try it for ourselves. And things were getting crazy in the United States at the time. That's for sure. Descending into a crime haven, wide open borders and all of that. So it was an opportunity, I I think for us to go there and then I started thinking wait a second because I can't just sit still I have to I have to be creating or working on something I maybe it's the Capricorn energy I can't just like not be creating

I think that's why we're here also like of course like you know I don't want to I don't want to choose an easy life comfort is not the point So I enjoy creating and making things and trying things and, you know, I don't know, building a channel. And all of those things are interesting to me and always been fascinating to me. But you'll find out really quickly if you're doing it and you don't love it, it'll fizzle out after like a month, you know. So I always encourage people, you know, just try things, you know? You want to start a business, just try it. And if it speaks to you and, you know, then you'll do it. So I realized we're there in Europe and we've got a five-hour time difference,

a jump on sort of the morning of the East Coast of the United States. And I'm a news junkie, so I'm always constantly seeing what was going on and watching what's going on with COVID. You're seeing all of these world events. And I thought, I want to talk about this. I want to be able to do something. So launched this show kind of in the morning. And I remember my years ago, cause I lived in Los Angeles. I hated being three hours behind the East coast. And I worked on a morning show called good day LA. And I was a producer then. And I, I hated, it was like 2 in the morning knowing that people on the East Coast already had to kind of jump on the world. Oh, yeah.

It sort of bothered me mentally. So now I had a five-hour jump on the East Coast. And I said, I'm going to start to do a morning show. Again, I grew up doing morning shows for 20 years. Maybe I should try that here. But now I don't have to wake up at 3 in the morning. I can just do it. And started it during COVID,

really during all of the lies that were pouring out of COVID. And at the time, my father had just had a stroke. It was going through not being able to see him in a hospital. And hearing the ridiculous rules that were unfolding both in Europe, but in the United States about COVID and lockdowns and standing six feet apart and nursing homes in New York and Andrew Cuomo. All of these things were converging, I think,

at the same time. Printing money, we're just going to hand out thousands of dollars in checks to people and keep them home and no businesses will run. We're going to kill chickens. We're going to, you know, all these farmers had to, we're killing animals. So something's like, I just, I don't know. It just, that was really the impetus for me to start the show. And then it evolved more. I realized we're not talking most about money. We're really talking about a lot of redacted things. And that's where I came up with the idea for the name Redacted because we were holding up like Pfizer's own documents on the show and like they're redacted or UFO files that were redacted. And I said, I just was sitting there one afternoon just kind of contemplating and I said, that's the name of the show, just

redacted. That's just going to be the name of the show. And then I conned my wife into doing the show with me. She's a journalist by trade. She's an amazing writer and really an amazing researcher. And I said, you're going to do the show with me. And she said, yeah, I think I want to. I don't know that I want to. And now she's just come alive. It's just been amazing to watch her, this sort of San Francisco liberal, like transform.

And now she's angry. She can't, it's so amazing to watch her be angry at all the lies that she's been told over the years that she's, she's angrier than me because I was sort of in it. Yeah, yeah. You know, and I worked at Fox and I was seeing the pattern of lies and I didn't quite understand the neocon pattern of lies as well as I do now. But she, you know, who would read Hillary Clinton's books back in the day and, you know, all of that. Now she's warmonger, you know.

And it's been amazing to see her come alive with that. And she'll just get angry about it. And she'll say, aren't you angry about it? I said, yes, but I've known a lot of this, what Obama has droned these people. But she's amazing. She's now run with it in such a way that I'm just so touched to watch. And I think we do a great job together in kind of keeping each other in balance. Well, it's certainly been successful, like way more than anyone would have predicted, probably even you.

Oh, for sure. I would have thought this is just going to be a drop in the ocean. No, no, no. I checked your numbers this morning, yes. Quite successful and well-deserved and just an amazing story. So you spent five years to the day in Europe. You're now back in the United States. But you spent five years in Portugal at a time when Europe was really, really changing, or the changes that had already taken place have

become, I think, more obvious to those paying attention. What was your view after living there for that long? First, let me say, because I want to be respectful of the Portuguese people. They were amazing. The people are amazing. It's the government. Yes. And I feel really terribly for the Portuguese people who, in many ways, and this is across Europe, they've really given up their power to Brussels. Yes. So 80% of all the decisions that are really made in Portugal aren't made in Portugal.

They're made in Brussels. So they have to fund the boondoggle in Ukraine. They have to send the one tank that they have from the 1970s that may or may not still be working to Ukraine because of some dog and pony show propaganda so i saw democracy so the right the portuguese the millions of portuguese people have no say over their own lives or where their money goes or no no and transact the way that they want to be able to transact in cash the way that they want it's all outsourced you know to christine lagarde or ur Ursula von der Leyen

in Brussels who get to tell them how to live their lives. And the Portuguese people do not like the European Union. I think most people in the European Union, I can't speak for everyone, of course, but you ask the common person, the worker, the laborer, the restaurant owner, the adega owner, do you like the European Union? They don't know them. They don't know the unelected people in Brussels. And no, they don't. They know their local, you know, local county representatives and those individuals. But those people are all hamstrung by what happens in brussels just to give you an idea like i don't know if you saw i think was last year maybe a year and a half ago now christine lagarde was was i think punked but told some pretty open about Europeans being able to transact with cash.

And she said in this fake interview that on the gray market, if you spend more than a certain couple hundred dollars of euros, that you're considered part of the gray market, a.k.a. a terrorist. So... If you spend it on, like, nuclear materials or small arms or... No, no.

Pay your gardener. You're a terrorist. So, yeah, if you're buying plutonium to create the flux capacitor in order to travel back in time, you might be on the gray market. But no, just to transact in cash. I mean...

For anything. For anything. And if you look across Europe, every European country But no, just to transact in cash. For anything. For anything. And if you look across Europe, every European country has a different threshold. So Spain, for instance, 1,000 euros. If you spend more than 1,000 euros in cash, you're considered on the gray market, a.k.a. a terrorist. Every country is different. Some 500 euros, 800 euros, 1,500 euros.

And across the board, the European threshold now is 10,000 euros to be able to transact in cash. And anything more than that, you're on the gray market. What's the idea there? The idea is that terrorists use cash. And so, therefore, if you use cash, then you're a terrorist. But terrorists don't use open borders that they created. No, they don't use open borders. Terrorists adhere to local state regulations and laws.

Fair. So, what I saw happening in Europe was, you know, when we emigrated to Portugal, we had to go through massive hoops and hurdles of paperwork to show that we were people of means. Yes. Right? To show that we weren't going to leech off of their system. Fair. Which is fair. Yeah.

And great. We are a guest in your country. Let's be respectful of your country, your tax laws. We found out there were a lot of people who would do sort of like digital nomad type work. You know what they are? They're like the Instagram girls that go on the beach. Yeah, yeah. They pretend that they're working on a laptop. Yeah.

You know, and they're really, I mean, come on. And so we heard that like don't do that because the European, they're watching. Like they're watching you for tax purposes. We're like, well, we're not going to do that. We're going to, we pay our taxes. We'll be respectful. We had no intention of like not paying our taxes here, but apparently it was happening a lot. So we went through, made sure everything was legit, met with the tax authority,

set our business up, all of it, paperwork, got our residency cards, all of those pieces that you would normally do if you're coming into a country legally and you're being respectful of their laws. So, I don't want to say I'm elite or something, but there's much more regulation for someone like me than there are for criminals. So, you can just come across the border and then just have gang opportunities and do whatever you want, I guess, if you're a criminal. But if you're a person of means who has children and wants to do things legitimately, then you're going to have to jump through massive amounts of hoops and hurdles in order to immigrate. But want to walk into Germany? Want to go, you know, go to a park

and be a part of a gang and, you know, and attack young girls, I'm sure that's fine. Europe has totally welcomed that. They've had wide open borders all across Europe, and now they're reaping what they've sowed. It seems like suicide to me, big picture. It seems like a society that wants to kill itself. It does, but if you talk to the Portuguese people or you talk to the European people, whether you're in Belgium, and I've gotten, since I lived there, traveled all over that area, talk to, you know, talk to an inn owner

in Scotland, for instance. Talk to a restaurant owner in Edinburgh. Talk to some workers in, you know, in Munich. They don't want that. But they've conceded their power

to this unelected body in Brussels that runs the show. I mean, you saw it on display over the past few weeks. Vladimir Zelensky comes to the White House, gets a dressing down, and that little cocaine-sniffing troll is there. You know, he didn't,

he looked like a deer in headlights. And then he's totally welcomed with open arms in Europe. I mean, they roll out the red carpet for him. Ursula von der Leyen in her half a can of hairspray hair. I'm sure there's like a squirrel living in there somewhere. And then you have Costa from Portugal. And by the way, what's hilarious to me, and to Natalie as well, we joke about these people in Europe, that the people that are now a part of, like,

the European Commission in Belgium, they've all failed up. This is what Natalie likes to say, they've failed up because all of these people, whether it's Mark Ruta in the Netherlands, who's kicked out of the Netherlands, is now the head of NATO. Costa, huge scandal in Portugal, is now sitting in Brussels. Ursula von der Leyen, I'm trying to think who else has failed up. All around that

table are people who've basically failed up. They should have been kicked out. They've basically been kicked out of their countries, but then they get elevated in positions of power in Brussels, which is hilarious. Unelected, by the way. privacy online as we speak. And they're infringing on your freedom. They're monitoring and recording everything you do when you connect to the internet, which is basically all day. And they're taking the info on you, your life, and they're selling it to advertisers, politicians, even insurance companies that use that information to raise your premiums. So you should be able to choose which information you share with others. That's why you've got a lock on your front door and a door on your bedroom. But you can't get that freedom back, that privacy. We partner with a company that will give it to you.

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Which, not a crazy idea. I mean, all the women in my life are peaceful and loving um and so i kind of thought that's probably true actually yeah you know men fight wars and and all that women don't but then we wind up with all these female leaders who are the most warlike and bloodthirsty and just can't wait to murder people they just can't wait you can see it there that that girl from estonia i mean i mean yeah she would kill people without even flinching a foreign minister in germany baerbach yeah what is that she publicly said that she cares more about the ukrainian people than her own german people like but but that's killing i mean she's there for killing they're're all in our country. Hillary Clinton? Hillary Clinton? I mean, you see that in our country.

The most warlike, the quickest to Dick Cheney's repulsive little daughter. You know, there's so many. Susan Rice, Victoria Nuland. Like, what is that? I don't know what it is. What is that? I think it's the weirdest thing I've ever seen. Well, I guess, I mean, it's got to come from their father, right?

So I'd be an interesting sort of sociological look. They can't wait to shed blood. Exactly. To look at Hillary Clinton's father, to look at Susan Rice's father, to look at Victoria Newland's father. Like, is there a common denominator?

I don't know. I don't have the research on that. It's bizarre. I'm going to work on that. I'm going to, so how do you, I mean, I don't know if it's noble,

but how do the, you know, the citizens with no power in a place like Portugal feel about the idea of marching off to war with Russia? They abhor it. You know, Portugal has a long history, of course, they of war. So they abhor war. Yeah, they they were the first warriors. I mean, talk about conquering other countries. They know a lot about bloodshed. They've done it to a great degree around the world. So they don't want to be a part of that anymore. They've tried it. And in fact, many ways, when I first moved there, I thought

the United States could learn a lot about the Portuguese, the sort of colonizing and the empire building. And what it does to your country, you know, what it does to destroy your country, what it does to your culture. So, the United States could learn quite a bit about saying, eh, we tried that. We tried that for the last 60 years. We're in Sudan, we're in Syria killing people. We are in, you know, Yemen killing people. We're in Ukraine clandestinely killing people. Maybe we should pull back from this. We're in, you know, operations in Haiti, for crying out loud. I mean, where aren't we? We have over 900 military bases around the world. To me, that's like 900 too many, personally. I'm sure there are neocons who would argue against it.

We need... Well, in fact, Leighton, there are neocons who would argue against it. We need to have bases in Stuttgart. Right. We need to have an island that was unoccupied in Japan, is now a U.S. military base, you know, basically two years ago. We need to be in Australia. We've taken over Australia, basically.

It's basically a proxy for the United States. We need to have a massive new NATO base in Poland. Of course we do. Romania. Romania. Because of our security. So the European people, and again, I can't speak for all of them,

but I mean, the Portuguese people that I know absolutely don't want war. But it's amazing, it was amazing to watch, because as this whole theater was unfolding in Ukraine, the Portuguese just basically, they kind of go along with it. I mean, they were a socialist government up until, well, still, you know, led by socialists, but they were really, you know, under Salazar up until the 70s. So when the government tells them to do something, they do it.

You know, when they get a text alert telling them they need to go and get their COVID shot, the Portuguese are rule followers. They are absolutely rule followers. They will do it. Most people are. Yeah. And when you have a government that threatens you, and you're just trying to take care of your family, you don't want something to happen to

your children, your way of life, you don't want to get some nasty gram in the mail threatening your life, most people are compliant in that way. So they get a text message, go and get your next second COVID shot. You got your first one, go get it, you know, and get a text message. And they got it. They were at a report to a center to go and do that. You know, it's unbelievable. And I would get in fights because I'm an American. I would, people would tell me to put on a mask, you know, authorities. And I'd tell them like, no. And I would yell at them about putting on a COVID mask. I'm not going to do it. You know, trying to go to the grocery store. You had to put a, no, I'm not wearing it. You know, so we get in fights. I was getting fights a lot. And my wife would be like, he's just, you know,

so I've lived it as a good wife would, you know, like, so, and I just would yell at the ridiculousness of these things. For instance, there's a, there's a thing along in Kashkayish Bay. I don't know if you've ever had a chance to go to Kashkayish,

which is just outside of Lisbon. It's a beautiful little, like very like wealthy area, I guess lisbon it's a beautiful little like uh very like wealthy area i guess um and it's very cosmopolitan so you get a lot of different french there british there um uh wealthy portuguese it's very interesting it's more of a touristy area but anyway there's a big seawall called the paradau and it runs along the ocean for about five kilometers and uh while we were renting an apartment there for a little while the i would walk the dog along there and uh it's very wide i mean it's maybe 40 feet 50 feet wide it's huge bike paths on it there's like workout

equipment the whole thing like so it's wide and there's the ocean is right there. It's beautiful. It's all stone. So take the dog on a walk. Then when COVID hits, they shut it down. They put like the police tape around all the outside workout equipment that sits in the sun, by the way. So you couldn't work out. You couldn't, you know, do any pull-ups

or anything like that because I guess COVID could survive out in this by the ocean. Like, I don't know if you've ever had a bicycle by the ocean. You sit there for like a day, it's all rusted. But COVID can survive on workout equipment in the sun. You know, it's ridiculous. So, I'm glad they put police tape all around this stuff. COVID doesn't rust. Right. It doesn't run. So, you know, you would walk along this paradis.

Now they roped it off. You couldn't do it anymore. And there would be surfers out in the water still kind of breaking the rules. And the police. So the surfers were constantly running from the police. Because Portuguese love surfing. They have some of the best surfers in the world. So they're out surfing.

And the police would pull down. And the surfers, you'd see them scatter along the waves and run up the banks to get away from the police who were constantly chasing them out of the ocean surfing while they were, you know, while COVID was striking, you know. Anyway, all that to say. Wait, can I just pause and say, what's interesting is, I mean, a country like that needs a revolution. Yeah. And hopefully not a violent one. I'm against violence, but it needs a revolution. Like any government that do that to its own people needs to be overthrown in some way or another. But I bet you that Portugal,

like the rest of the West, didn't even come close. No, not even close. I mean, when they told you to stay inside, there was no one on the street. You know, the rule on the weekend was you had to be in your house by noon. Noon? Noon. You couldn't, or noon or, yeah, noon or two o'clock, forgive me for, but it was right around the, you know, once you were done with your lunch, basically, you couldn't be on the streets. You couldn't be driving a car, any of that. And so whole communities would just shut down. And, you know, I never left the house anyway, so it was okay for me. So I'd just take a walk with the dog or whatever, but it was unbelievable. You couldn't be out. All the restaurants were forced to shut down. What if you didn't want to get the COVID vax?

Did anyone not get it there? No. I mean, it was like, it's like Israel. I think it was like overwhelming. Like everyone got it. Right. I think it was like. In Israel, I think everyone, well, I don't know, but I keep reading that. Wouldn't you love to see the data? Because I'm sure they'll keep it hidden from us. And I've been very curious about the Israeli data. They had some of the best reporting, like their VAERS system is way better than the United States for data. Right. Which is the vaccine injury, self-reported vaccine injury.

Exactly. So only a fraction of injuries were reported to the VAERS system in the United States. Yes. Right? So we know that a fraction. In Israel, to the VAERS system in the United States. Yes. Right? So, we know that a fraction. In Israel, they have all the data. I would love to know what all that vaccine injury data looks like, if they ever come forward with it fully.

And maybe they have, and I haven't seen it yet, but that would be fascinating to look into. I'm sure someone out there would look into that. But anyway, the same with Portugal. I mean, very high rates of, of getting there. Did you know anyone who didn't take it?

No. Wow. Yeah. So it was pretty much universal uptake. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy.

And we were lucky because we were, you know, residents. We didn't have to. Like we were, so, thank God, like our kids, nothing like that.

But all the kids, like every, like Portuguese, as far as I know, was required. And they would send out text alerts. We would get text alerts like, get your kids vaccinated. And I was like, no way. Sorry, not going to happen. So, but I'm sure Portuguese kids did. So, again, I would love to know what the actual data is from Europe once all the dust settles from this. The white fibrous clots that we're seeing, of course,

all across the United States now, the massive white fibrous clots that we're seeing from people living and dead that undertakers are seeing in the United States at record levels. They've never seen it before. Where are these? We, I, Oh, I've been an undertaker for 40 years. I've never once seen these massive white fibrous clots that seem to have begun in the past few years as a result of something.

Maybe we could look into that. I don't know, just a suggestion. But we won't look into it. I'm sure. So yeah, all, all, yeah, all that to say, like walking along that seawall, I just, to make this analogy, that's all roped off 40 feet of wide open space, but you can walk up the street on the sidewalk. In Portia, the sidewalks are like this big. Like you could fit basically me on the

sidewalk. You have to turn sideways when you're walking, but that's open. So let's just be clear. I can't walk down here where I'm going to walk into somebody. I wouldn't walk into somebody. I have 15 feet of berth up there. I have to pass right next to somebody and that's their law. So it was ridiculous. It was all over the place. In many ways, it was worse than the United States. But nobody got together and said, hey, we need to overthrow this tyrannical government. No, no, no, of course. So that is like the deep last. No, I mean, if you grew up in the United States hearing about, which I'm sure no one ever mentions at this point,

but, you know, the Boston Tea Party and the American Revolution and, you know, free people determined to remain free and throwing off the yoke of tyranny and using arms to do it, but more than just violence, but, you, but explaining why they're doing it. Right. And standing on true principle. If you grew up hearing about that, then you think, well, that desire to be free beats in every human heart. But I guess it doesn't.

I don't really know. But there's no evidence that anybody is organizing to push back against this. And I just want to say really clearly, I think they should. But no one seems to be. Although I see some bright spots. I mean, over the past few days, massive protests in Paris against Emmanuel Macron and the French funding of Ukraine. I would definitely see demonstrations, people organizing, but not very large. And you have to understand also there's massive censorship. And there are, you know, you will be, we have canceling, you know, a university. They spoke out against Ukraine. They were journalists and they were telling the Portuguese people what was actually happening in Ukraine and they were fired from their positions at university. Really? In Portugal, they would fire an on-air journalist for opposing the Ukraine war.

Yeah, we would have the – I'm just glad that would never happen in the United States. Can you imagine? It's amazing. It's been amazing to me to watch the unfolding, the propaganda. It's amazing that it took this long. So a few weeks ago, Zelensky's in the Oval Office. I don't know if you saw that. And it was like bring your kid to work day, you know, at the Oval Office. And like let daddy speak now here in the Oval Office about what's actually happening.

But it was amazing. Suddenly, then, of course, social media exploded with people for the first time. It seemed like understanding that, wait a second, this isn't all as it seems here. And then, of course, you had the massive, the same massive army, the bot army and everything else from a few years ago that was really defending the war in Ukraine, which had really been lessened over the past few years. I don't know if their CIA farm, bot farms or whatever were drying up in Ukraine. The CIA was like repositioning resources for how they were going to carry that out. Suddenly, it was like a flood. It was like, oh, my God, they flipped the servers back on or something like that.

You know, Victoria Nuland got on the phone and was like, hey, get those, you know, get the websites back up again. Get the bot army, you know, going on social media and trying to protect the war in Ukraine because now Trump was showing the truth here. And J.D. Vance was showing the truth. It was unfolding. So, it's been this unbelievable resurgence over the past few weeks to the propaganda for Ukraine. You saw the massive Ukrainian flag being unfurled in Washington, D.C. the other day. Who funded that? Flags are popping up all over again. Like, I've seen them just driving around. Ukrainian flags are now back in people's windows again. People are putting seen them just driving around. Ukrainian flags are now back in people's windows again. People are putting Ukrainian flags back in their social media profiles again.

Like what the hell's going on in the past few days? Like it's just, it's unbelievable. And it's not just bots. It's like living, it's the Wall Street Journal. It's, you know, Neil Ferguson, the eminent historian. And, you know, it's, you know, it's a lot of people, actually, all of a sudden are like, no, no, no, no, no, we're, you know, four square behind Zelensky. Where do those orders come from? Like, what is that? Zelensky can't win. He's helped destroy his own country. I think the United States has destroyed his country. I think the Biden administration destroyed his country. I actually don't think it's really Zelensky's fault, if I'm being honest. But whatever, like we did Ukraine wrong.

And yet all these people, some of them with jobs, and they're not bots. They're human beings. I know some of them. They're like all in. What is that? I don't understand. To me, it's a kind of a madness. It does feel that way.

Because something that's happened to me over the past year, maybe I've become more empathetic. Good. But when it comes to not knowing things, like I have more empathy now for people who, like a family of five, they've got three kids. They work all day. They get a few minutes of news at night right right they flip on cnn or another channel like uh it's it's no longer in business but i think you even used to work there a few years ago but it just went out of business called msnbc like they'll flip on like they'll flip on that you know and they get a few minutes of news

and then they put their kids to bed, they make dinner or whatever. So I have empathy for those people. Oh, gosh, yes. Where I lose my empathy is for people who have access to this information, whether it's neocons in Washington or whatever else. Are you speaking directly of Ann Applebaum? Yes, Ann Applebaum. The staff at the Atlantic. Whose husband, what, cheer-led the destruction of the Nord Stream pipeline.

Radek Sikorsky, lunatic. Yeah. So, these people who have access to the information but then choose to go the evil route, that's where I lose it. So, again, I have empathy for people that just don't understand. And you see this awakening, I think, over the past few weeks about like, what was this dressing down of Zelensky in the Oval Office? Like, I don't understand.

Wait a second. I thought he was the hero. We see him on the Grammys, right? He pops up every time there's an award show. He's asking for money. Thank you for standing with Ukraine. Like, he's our guy.

So wait a minute. You're telling me that this is wrong? But nobody cares about Ukraine. We just watched like the murder of like its entire young male population. die so wait a minute you're telling me that this is wrong but nobody cares about ukraine we just watch like the murder of like its entire young male population and like we're we want more to die so we're not for ukraine we're against russia and we're so against russia that calling someone pro-russia is a slur basically but no one ever explains why are we supposed to be against russia like i'm i feel like i'm coming to a conversation late. I missed the predicate. Like,

the part where you explained to me why I have to hate Russia, I'm totally agnostic on Russia. Well, now I have been to Moscow a couple of times. I think it's the most beautiful city I've ever been to. So, I like Moscow. But I still don't even have strong feelings about Russia. Why am I supposed to hate Russia? Like, what is this? Because, like, they mistreat, I don't even have strong feelings about russia why am i supposed to hate russia like what is this because like they mistreat i don't i don't i'm going to speculate what this is but i don't get it still three years in didn't you see the movie red dawn in the 1980s the soviets like i'm totally opposed they invade they're going to invade us right now but aren't you paying attention truth is it's so many of the people who are now fanatically opposed to Russia were not fanatically opposed to the Soviets. Right.

So what the hell is going on? I actually think even the term Ukraine is a distraction from the truth, which is we are at war. We are at war with Russia. That war is funded by the United States primarily. It's, I mean, some of the attacks on Russia were coordinated by U.S. military personnel in Ukraine. The Ukrainian government is supported wholly by the United States. Our intel agencies and our intel officers are in Ukraine directing the Ukrainian intel service.

So these are all facts. So we are at war with Russia, but why? And why the hatred? I think if you – so that's a brilliant question, why? And why the hatred? I think if you, so that's a brilliant question, why? Maybe it goes back to looking at George Soros and his, I think an essay that he wrote in the 1990s about this, because he's been largely involved in his open society project, which is the destruction of Russia. Yes. So the destruction of Russia is meant to enable the expansion of the United States, militarily and economically.

We need to destroy Russia. We need to destroy China, according to George Soros, in order for that expansion. So George Soros intimately involved with the expansion of NATO, using Slavic people, not Americans, to die on behalf of George Soros and NGOs like USAID and others to have this massive change. So Adam Schiff said it publicly on the House floor, for crying out loud. I mean, I played that clip a million times. They die over there, so we don't have to—we fight them over there, so we don't have to fight them here. It's the same thing—I don't know if—we fight them over there, so we don't have to fight them here. It's the same thing—I don't know if you saw Eric Swalwell last week, for crying out loud.

He said this is the greatest investment we've ever made. Meaning—and he said zero Americans have died, which is a lie, by the way, because there's actually been a number of Americans that have died fighting Russia in Ukraine. Well, a bunch of Americans have died. It'd be interesting to see, finally, when those families have been told to sign NDAs and not speak about it. I know for a fact that Americans have died in Ukraine fighting Russia. Of course. Some of it's on camera, by the way. Yeah.

But they'll deny it. They'll say that these were just mercenaries. They weren't tied to it. They're just, oh, they were there voluntarily, like the guy who tried to kill Trump in Mar-a-Lago. Like, you know, these are just, we have no control over these people. That's total bullshit. Of course you have control over these people. Well, you could, you know, very easily say that, and we probably should say that no American is allowed to serve in a foreign military. I don't understand. I mean, we have a person serving on

the National Security Council right now who served in the Ministry of Defense in a foreign country. Like, no? How about no? You're not allowed to have multiple citizenships. You're not allowed to serve in a foreign military? What? If that's not disloyal, I don't know what is. We have a military.

We have all kinds of clear and present threats. Basically because the people serving in foreign militaries, you know, encouraged us to get involved in all this crap anyway whatever yeah we could clearly shut that down and we haven't do we you made reference to ndas do you think that people have been pushed to sign ndas oh for sure the families of those who have fallen specifically in in ukraine uh i wonder how many people i wonder if we're talking about president trump transparency how many how many americans have died in ukraine fighting russia and then how many families of those special forces or you know just nato's whatever nato soldiers um have had to sign ndas about their service there that's wild i never even thought of that. I've had, you know, former members of the CIA tell me that. High-ranking members of the military tell me that. So,

I would like to know. Maybe the Trump administration can pull these numbers out, and we can hear more about that. How many Americans have died? Because we know French, Polish, Polish more than anyone, dying in Ukraine. I mean, talk about a country that's been destroyed. I hate to say i hate to say it but the polls who i think are great people for the record never met a poll i didn't like except for ann applebaum's husband but um boy they always end up bearing the brunt of everything in europe yeah a massive nato bases flood of refugees that have completely changed their country um millions of ukrainian refugees that poured across the border that they just welcomed in with open arms.

The language totally changed in neighborhoods across Poland. So instead of speaking Polish, you're just hearing Ukrainian now through these neighborhoods. Completely changed that. But so when I look at the project and going back, you know, go back to the 90s, you know, go back just a few years to 2014. I've seen this awakening or at least an awareness over the past week once Trump and J.D. Vance dressed down Zelensky in the Oval Office to say, because Zelensky lied right to their faces multiple times that Putin violated our exchange of prisoners. He violated the Minsk agreements. Well, to anyone sitting there saying, oh, really? Oh, so Putin's the bad guy. He's the one who violated the prisoner swap. Really? That's no, no. So when you start looking at it, no, that's not at all what happened. Zelensky lied right to Trump's face, right to Zelensky's face, that Putin violated the prisoner exchange in 2019. That's total bullshit.

Total BS. In fact, Zelensky's on camera welcoming the prisoners back at a ceremony. I think it was in Paris in 2019. So Putin didn't violate that at all. In fact, he adhered to it. Same with the Minsk agreements, which we know Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany at the time, joked later that they were never going to adhere to the Minsk agreements to provide peace and stick with that. Instead, they carried out a genocide in Eastern Ukraine, what was Eastern Ukraine, for 10 years. No one wants to talk about the civilians that were killed. This infuriates me

at a level. Just picture a child in Donbass or Donetsk or Luhansk walking to school, and they go through a park, and they pick up one of these petal mines. Have you seen these petal mines? These green, they look like a leaf. Journalist Eva Bartlett has done unbelievable work on this. But these kids, they're meant to look. So the kids walk up to them and they pick them up and their hands blow off. That's what

these civilians have been dealing with in Donbass and Donetsk and Luhansk for 10 years. So ethnic Russians living in those areas. So when people say, oh, this thing started when Putin invaded. Okay. Yes, I'm very anti-war. So, I always feel like, yes, there's probably a way to solve it without killing people. So, in that, I'll give you that. Putin maybe didn't need to invade in order to... And he didn't want to, by the way. He didn't want to. His government, his parliament voted for it.

He didn't want to. So to go into eastern Ukraine, in Donbass, in Donetsk, and Luhansk, set up areas and protect those ethnic Russians who were being slaughtered for the past 10 years. And it was the United States. It was NATO. It was Boris Johnson. It was all of those clowns pushing NATO right up to that doorstep and coordinating these attacks.

I mean, the CIA, the New York Times did a whole profile on how CIA basically runs Ukraine, multiple field offices. So the coup that took place in 2014, I know you've spoken at length about this. You know all about it. I know your audience is well-educated. They know all about it, but this was a CIA-backed coup in 2014. We installed a Western puppet government in Ukraine after the Maidan coup to do our bidding. So I have some empathy for Zelensky, and I'll tell you why. Because here's a guy who's sitting in the White House and I feel like he doesn't know, first of all, he's not in power and he's wondering, okay, I just got off the phone with Victoria Nuland and Susan Rice before I walked in here. Exactly. And a bunch of low IQ

Republican Senator warmonger freaks. Yeah. So probably Lindsey Graham got on the phone with him. 100% Mike Rounds and all these people. Yeah, and they're like, hey, Vladimir, I've been to Ukraine many, many times. We've been funneling money and weapons to you for a long time. Here's what you need to do. You need to play hardball with Trump. When you get in there, you need to tell him,

we need security guarantees. Trump loves, you know, loves a little confrontation. So just do that. Make sure, I don't know if you know it, around the 34 minute loves a little confrontation, so just do that. Make sure, and I don't know if you know it, around the 34-minute mark in that confrontation, some little lackey from his staff leans over and gives him, like,

marching orders. No. So around the 34-minute mark, we did a thing about it, like, a couple weeks ago, he leans over, I think it was a female? Male? I forget. Anyway, leans over right to Zelensky and says something, you know, like, for like a minute. It's like guiding like you know um wow and then then stuff hits the fan like hey remember that meeting you had you know i'm just speculating remember that meeting you had with

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or was fully aware at that moment what was happening. Like, when you see, you can see Trump, and he's just trying to be cordial. Yes. And J.D. Vance hears it. He's very, Trump is, for the record, Trump is extremely cordial, you know, for all the talk of how he's this florid lunatic. doesn't want that he didn't want those fireworks oh no no no

no he is elaborately polite and anyone who's dealt with him will tell you that i mean he's a he you know he's like he's like uh innkeeper i don't mean to be um to diminish his role or be patriarchal anything like that but he he's guy, he's like master of ceremonies, kind of personality. Like we're all here. It's great. Like he is not a public conflict guy at all. Yeah. I've never really seen him other than, you know,

somebody standing up with a cane at a state of the union address. And even then he was cordial, you know? He really is. It's his, I mean, I've seen it a lot. It's his instinct. Yeah. I really believe the last thing that Trump wants

is the kind of thing that happened with Zelensky. Like he doesn't want that. Yeah. because, you know, as a human being, here's a guy who, he doesn't know who's in charge. No, he's a pawn. He's just a pawn. He's sitting there being used by Victoria Nuland, Susan Rice. And then, of course, you see Susan Rice pop right up on television on CNN almost immediately. So they had her ready to go.

She's a hard, she was my neighbor for five years. We shared a backyard. Very nice, and I liked her husband. And she has nice children. But she's a hard case. Like, children, but she's a hard case. Like for real, she's, she's a hard case. She's not, how do you mean? She's just, you know, she's tough. She's not a sentimental person. She knows if she decides on a mission, like whatever it takes to achieve the mission period. Um, I'm not even attacking her. I'm just noting that,

you know, she's definitely not, um, you know, someone who's going to let human emotion get in the way of achieving what she thinks she wants to achieve. And so the mission, the mission is to destroy Russia. Right. Right. So getting back to the mission is to just to be clear, Ukraine and Zelensky himself, I totally you're the only other person I've heard say that. But I completely agree with you as a human being. I feel for him. I think he's committed a lot of crimes.

I think he's killed a ton of people. They tried to assassinate a bunch of people. They have assassinated people. He's allowed his weapons to be sold to terrorist groups. I mean, it's really, he's really been bad. However, he is a pawn, and that's totally true. He's a hapless pawn, and the nation of Ukraine is caught between great powers as it has been before, as Poland has before. And so they're all in some deeper sense victims.

This is a war between the United States and Western Europe and Russia. And so it does raise the question once more, like, why? And you, I of course interrupted you, but, and I'm sorry, but your answer was it's an economic play. They want the resources. Is that what you're saying? I think if you look at the clearest example of why comes from George Soros, I think, in his Open Society project, to me anyway. And if you see what he's been trying to do to destabilize and regime change funding, I mean, hundreds of millions of dollars to NATO, right? So, you see the expansion of NATO almost concurrently with his massive amounts of donations to NATO and to the expansion of NATO right up to their doorstep. So, for all of the NATO is a defensive organization morons out there, you're lying.

And the encircling of Russia has been the goal, has been the goal through these NGOs. Now, the CIA can't do it out as publicly, right? So, what does the CIA now use? They use NGOs, whether it's the facilitation of, through USAID or other, you know, other non-governmental organizations. Funding all these groups, yeah. Funding all these groups. So, they do it so that they don't have to, they can kind of step back from it. So the CIA can funnel billions of dollars into Ukraine through all of these different organizations and everything else. They can do it through our united states to me is one of the greatest crimes of all time and i'm really upset that we don't talk more about it maybe we can but to me the open society piece of this is the is the really the the the has been a big driver of this i can't say it's the only thing but it's it's born out of those think tanks that nato needs to expand destabilize russia

basically install a western government in russia to facilitate through mineral resources and everything else um making sure that they're using the u.s dollar and the same thing with china by the way i mean why are we soros openly talks about this so this is not like a fantasy. I think it's grotesque. If that's really the goal to break apart Russia, and you heard that airhead from Estonia say that the other day, I think it should be a bunch of little countries. And it's like the thing that I respect most about Putin and appreciate and grateful for with Putin is that he's kept kept russia together they more nuclear weapons in any country in the world it's the largest country in the world it's 20 muslim it's like it could easily become you know post-soviet yugoslavia right with endless wars um that would not only kill a lot of people there but would also endanger the world. You lose track of nuclear weapons,

really? I mean, it's insane, actually. What you want is stability and clear accounting of where the deadliest weapons are, where the biolabs, where the nuclear warheads, like you, that's super important. So if you had a Syria in Russia, like everyone in the world would die. And so how, and I'm no genius, that's for sure. And that's super obvious to me. So, if you're pushing to break up Russia, it would instantly be in like a 500-year war with itself. Right. Why would you want that?

I don't know what drives these evil people. I really think— That's evil. I think they're demonic. I really think they're demonic. For sure. I really think they're demonic. I really think they're demonic. Because if most Americans understood, and we tried to do at least on our show some coverage of this, but like look at Syria, for instance, right? If most Americans understood that there's a genocide happening in Syria that was backed by President Biden and the removal of Assad, regardless of what you think about Assad, doesn't really matter. Someone else I'm required to hate. I don't have strong feelings,

but... You're required to hate him and you're also required to believe the propaganda. Because some douchebag at the Atlantic magazine decides he's in the way of some goal some other country has. No, no, no. I'm an American. Right. And I'm a Christian also. And Assad protected the Christians. That's a fact.

And whatever else he did. So I think it's totally fair for me to say I don't want chaos in any country because it's a threat to me. And my country will get terrorism because of it or mass invasions like Europe has had of refugees. And I don't want the Christians to be murdered. Like, I don't know. It's such a weird position. How can you take that position? Can I say one other thing that I will shut up?

But like, here's my theory on Russia. I think it's clearly a resource play. You're absolutely right. Americans loved Russia when it was supine and chaotic and the life expectancy for men was 49 and everyone was like dying of cirrhosis on the sidewalk and all that. They loved it because they could loot it. And they did. Bill Clinton looted the sidewalk and all that. They loved it because they could loot it, and they did. Oh, Bill Clinton looted the hell out of it.

For sure. Yeah. But I really think the problem with Putin is not his territorial expansion. Putin has shown no sign that he has territorial ambitions. He's got a country that's like almost impossible to manage already. Right. He wants Poland? Stop.

He wants Portugal? You moron. Right. No, he doesn't. It's like only children believe that. No, I think the difference with Putin is Christianity. And I think that. I didn't used to think that.

But then I noticed that the same people, and I'm 55, so I remember a lot of the same people, and certainly the same kind of people, making excuses for the Soviet Union, which was an atheist state. Putin comes in and he's like, actually, we're going to bring back the Orthodox Church. We're going to fund the Orthodox Church as a Christian country. And that was it. That's when he became like a true enemy of the ruling class of the United States. I saw the same thing in Hungary. Hungary was totally fine from 1945 to 1991. It was a Soviet satellite state, part of the Warsaw Pact.

It was officially atheist country. And then it was a Soviet satellite state, part of the Warsaw Pact. It was an officially atheist country. And then it was a kind of transition period. And then Orban comes, who's like, he's not even right wing. He's like kind of 70s liberal, live and let live guy. But he's like, no, it's a Christian country. All of a sudden, the Atlantic magazine and the Atlantic Council and every other group of stupid people with power in Washington is like, we need to kill him. Right. And in fact, there have been attempts on his life, actually, at least one that has not been publicized.

I didn't know that. Yeah, by that, you know, by the same block of people. And they hate him for that. Yeah. So I'm just trying to understand. Susan Powell from USAID flies into hungary and starts like setting up operations to destabilize hungary you know you remember that oh yeah and then we send under biden we sent an ambassador pressman i think his name was this gay guy and his boyfriend or

whatever to spend his entire time in budapest lecturing the Hungarians about how bad they are. It's like, that's our, that's diplomacy? That's our ambassador? No, it was, his whole role was to insult the Hungarians, inflame the relationship between the Hungarian government and the U.S., to basically try to humiliate them. It's like, why would you want to do that? Why do you think they're trying to kill so many Christians? I mean, Because I think it's a spiritual, there's something about, look, let's just be totally honest, there's something about Christianity, which is the only

world religion I'm aware of, theistic religion that preaches nonviolence, which it does. Others don't at all, and Christianity does. It's against, no, tons of Christians commit violence, but they're in violation of their religion, in my opinion.

But you would think it would be the most popular religion with world leaders because it's like the Christians aren't going to hassle you. Jesus says, give unto Caesar what's Caesar's, give unto God what's God's. Don't overthrow the government. Like, it's a very kind of compliant religion, actually, and inherently pro-peace. And yet, they're always the ones who get murdered. When the Spanish Civil War started and that famous photograph of the Republic, you know, the communist forces. What's the first thing they opened fire on? A statue of Jesus.

There's this famous picture of them firing, you know, their eight millimeters at a statue of Jesus. And it's like, what is that? And I don't think there's a rational explanation for it. I think it's spiritual, clearly. And it's very heartening as a Christian to know that a nonviolent religion triggers people that much. It suggests maybe it's true. It's like, why do you hate it so much? Why do you care? It's at cross purposes with their mission. So when you see the neocons in Washington, when you see these warmongers and these NGOs that want the destruction, you know, the massive expansion of the military-industrial complex. I mean, to your point about Europe, I mean, Ursula von der Leyen, like last week,

standing there with Vladimir Zelensky, said that Putin's going to invade Europe. This is Ukraine. We fight in Ukraine to protect the rest of Europe because if it's not for you, Putin will march right through Brussels. And people, I think they say that. It's dark. I know this is going to be clipped. But, like, at this point, Europe is so – and I love Europe and I'm there constantly and I have family there. I mean, I really love Europe truly as an American. But, like, it's so degraded, you know.

It's collapsing. I don't even want to say it. I'm not going to say would it actually be worse or not. I just but it's pretty bad right now. You do. Someone really smart said the other day, the reason the Europeans hate Russia is because it's the only thing all Europeans have in common. It's the only unifying. Yeah, you need a good enemy. That's it. It's like the Wizard of Oz, right?

You need a good enemy. It's not the Chinese. It's not the East. No, you need a good enemy. Are we pulling back on the massive amounts of money we're spending, the trillion dollars a year, to fight these enemies that we're creating? Whether it's Assad or it's Gaddafi or it's some people on camels in Iraq or Afghanistan. We need to constantly move the shell game around. So for a while, it's Putin. That's not going to really work out. But Europe, now you can do it. But now it's gonna be China, or Iran. So it's Iran next, you know, it's hard to once once we've exhausted all that, though, it'll be space, it'll be like some sort of

reptilian race or something in space that we'll have to fight next. So what is the truth about the lights in the sky seen over the mid-Atlantic over the Christmas season? I think we learned that it was in fact a PSYOP. It was a false flag operation by the Biden administration. They admitted it. And I think we got confirmation from the Trump administration. Can you tell me what that means? The goal was we need, you know, we're going to show all of these drones because we heard it was Iran. First of all, remember it was a all of these drones because we heard it was Iran. First of all, remember, it was a mothership off the coast.

It's always Iran. Because Iran tried to assassinate President Trump. Another big lie. The biggest lie ever. I'm trying to use the F word now. It's Lent. But that's a lie, by the way. Yes.

The government of Iran did not try to murder Donald Trump during the presidential campaign. I hope everyone's paying attention to that because that's being- That's a fact. Parroted all over media right now. That the government of Iran tried to murder anyone who says that is a liar or so subject to propaganda that he should not be talking in public. Right. Roger Stone, close friend of President Trump, almost immediately said it was a lie. Came right out.

I said it was a lie immediately in public and private. So yeah, that's a lie. Whatever. Sorry, sorry. It was a lie. Came right out. I said it was a lie immediately in public and private. So, yeah, that's a lie. Whatever. Sorry. Sorry. It was fabricated. And I've said on social media, it's fabricated. If you don't know that it's fabricated, it was fabricated. Yeah. No, I think regardless of the Iran, Iranian piece of it, it was really to, I think, build up the massive contracts for drone production in the United States. So, but to get back to your initial description, so you think that those lights were government drones? I think so. I think that they were man-made government drones. And I think that it was clear what the plan was. If you don't have a massive drone infrastructure in the United States,

what better way to get bureaucrats and members of Congress on board with making sure that we build up our own drone infrastructure in the United States by then threatening the idea that these are Chinese or Iranian drones flying over military bases in the United States. False flags. We have such a... False flags are very useful. Yeah, I know. Very useful. And they work. I know.

They work, sadly. USS Liberty. USS Liberty, a famous false flag. You know, you want to get us in the war against Egypt? Well, then Israel and the CIA collaborate and bomb and kill American sailors on the USS Liberty. Too bad you didn't kill all of them because a lot of them lived and they told the world what the hell happened when they tried to use American sailors as a false flag to get us into a war against Egypt. Didn't work.

Even though Lyndon Johnson and the CIA tried their damnedest to work with Israel to do it. So you think Lyndon Johnson knew that American sailors were being murdered? 100%. It goes all the way to him. You could read Blood in the Water, Joan Mellon's incredible book. That is so evil that I can't even... He's such an evil, evil human being. Such an evil human being. But don't ask Doris Curran's good one that because she'll write a book about how amazing he is. But he was an evil, an evil son of a bitch. And he knew.

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Knew this. Yes. He knew it. And. Well, he's going to. I think he's paying for that right now. Yeah. Knew this. Yes. He knew it. And... Well, he's going to... I think he's paying for that right now. Yeah. I believe he would. I would hope.

And a lot of other people knew it, too, in the CIA. So, I love when people today... Some poor American sailors on a surveillance ship, not lightly armed, not really armed. No, it was a spy ship. Yeah. Yeah. With massive American flags on the deck. We're a friendly ship.

And the Israelis knew it. They had it in their control room on the wall. Friendly. Friendly. They knew it. And the scout ships that were flying that morning knew it. So it's a lie that it was a mistake. It was not a mistake.

We have the documents. We know that it wasn't a mistake. It was intentional. But I didn't realize. I'm aware of that yeah and you're not allowed to say it for some reason no you can't say like these are things that you're not allowed to talk about right you can criticize the u.s government but you know yeah um but on the other hand i will say i mean it infuriates me that you can criticize your own government but not a foreign foreign government. That's so grotesque. On the other hand, you also give any foreign government a pass if it's acting in its own interest.

It's like they don't care about you. You're a foreign country. You know, like, I get it. But the idea of our country allowing the murder of our own sailors who did nothing wrong were sent there. By the way, conscripted. We had the draft then. Yeah. Maybe not even there voluntarily. of our own sailors who did nothing wrong were sent there. By the way, conscripted. We had the draft then. Yeah.

Maybe not even there voluntarily. That's a great point. That the U.S. government knows that? I mean, I just, my head is, I didn't know that until you just told me. I hope the Trump administration, I hope Congressman Luna, who's been, you know, heading up the, I guess the... The JFK Epstein... Yeah, the release of files whole thing. Because you can't just release them. You have to have a congressional committee to hide them even longer. You have to redact

things and hide them and then release like... This is not disclosure. Hand out binders, you know. No, I hope the Trump administration... I've spoken to these veterans of the USS Liberty, and their hope is that the Trump administration and the Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth will actually do a full investigation into this openly, publicly, and not pull any punches because of our friends in Israel, but actually put it all out there and go through the full investigation. Testimony from the veterans who were seeing eyeballs of the individuals that were bombing them and killing them on board the USS Liberty. Strafing them, too.

Strafing them. And when they got in the water, strafing them. And knew that they were friendly. Is that true? Yeah. And knew that they were friendly. Is that true? Yeah, yeah. And knew that they were friendly. You know, the captain of the ship said he'd never moved his ship as quickly.

He'd never, I don't know the terminology. I'm not a sea captain. But he floored it in a way that he'd never done before. He was told with urgency to get there and to be put in position. And he was like, why am I being put in a position like in a kill zone? Like, why can I go another mile offshore when I'll be safe? No, you need to be right in this spot. So the Pentagon set it up? Oh yeah, the CIA collaborated with the Israeli government and maneuvered a U.S. ship to this position to be killed, to be destroyed. The mission was for it to be totally destroyed.

So you don't have people coming on my show telling you what they saw that day. Like, they all were supposed to be dead. Gulf of Tonkin, remember the Maine. You know, you could go down the list. 9-11, you know, drones over the east coast of the United States. These false flags work for a reason. But you can't kill your own people. You're not allowed to do that.

That's just got to be a red line. The CIA would never kill its own people. You can't kill your own people, period. Yeah, you can. You're supposed to protect your own people. You're in charge of these people. Right. It's like killing your own children.

Tuskegee experiment. You can't kill your own people you can't put american ships and american sailors in waters and then test nuclear weapons on them you can't do that you can't have the tuskegee experiment we have a long history of of doing these things and i just feel like that's a that's a pretty bright line like i'm leading people i have to do whatever I can up to and very much including giving my own life to protect them, to act in their interest. That's why I'm the leader. That's the way you feel about your children should be a species of the way you feel about anybody you lead. I'm in charge. Yeah. I get the benefits of being in charge, but I also have the responsibility, the burden of being in charge, which is to act in their interest and sacrifice myself for them. It's super simple. That's the basic bargain.

People will follow, children will follow a father, men will follow an officer if you say, well, I'm going to kill people I'm supposed to be saving, then you've broken the deal and you are not a legitimate leader and you can get fragged at that point, actually, I think. Yeah. I think it's totally fair. Right? I would think so. I mean, but then you've, the history is lined with people who put their own men in harm's way. Look at Mao, you know, leading your own men for personal purposes, killing them off for personal purposes. There's long lines of socialist leaders doing this. Well, that's why we always hated them.

But Lyndon Johnson did that on purpose. Wow, that's super, super dark. And a wow that's super super dark and a lot of other dirty things and a lot of other dirty things so the the most famous dirty thing of course that he did was participate in some way it's still not clear in the murder of the president right gfk and and you really see this in maybe the third volume of the carrow series the biographical series on lon Johnson. Robert Caro. Robert, I beg your pardon,

Robert Caro has written this series of books and Robert Caro was, you know, I think too sympathetic, et cetera, et cetera, but in, and very liberal and all that, but in the portion where Johnson is on the plane in Dallas and learns that Kennedy has been murdered and then is sworn in on the plane in Dallas and learns that Kennedy has been murdered and then is sworn in on the plane as president, it's really clear, really clear from Caro's description that this is not a surprise to him. Not a surprise at all. And you can go down so

many corridors of this. And it's not just as simple as Lyndon Johnson, you know, was somehow involved with using his own hitman that he'd used previously, you know, it's not as just, that's it, that's the story, right? I've read so many books on this and you pull the threads, you know, how was, how was, was it Jack Rubenstein? How is he there that afternoon? How is Lyndon Johnson tied to this with a hitman? How is the mob tied to this? All of these strings converging. It's remarkable. And then, can I just say this? I know it's crazy. It's crazy to talk about, but there were people like Billy Meyer who predicted this and prophesied this years in advance and knew the dates, knew the locations where he would be killed, and also knew the dates and locations of where RFK would be assassinated.

So there's so many pieces that we still don't—are you hopeful at all that we're going to get in these JFK documents actual— It's interesting. I mean, I was never interested in the Kennedy assassination. It was over covered and it seemed like the kind of territory of wackos and conspiracy nuts. Well, that's where the term came from. Oh, I know. Well, then, of course, you know, it's it's not ignorance that makes you a conspiracy nut. It's knowledge, which I didn't know. I was such an idiot. That's a great point. I still am an idiot in some ways, but I've learned that. Welcome to the club. Welcome to the club. I've learned that, but in the past, yeah, the past six or seven years, I have learned a lot about it.

I'm hardly an expert, but I've learned enough to know that there's something actually there. And I've learned a lot about it, actually. But anyway, the point is, President Trump, to his everlasting credit, issues an executive order on January 23rd saying, you know, release the files on the JFK assassination, on the Bobby Kennedy assassination, the Ambassador Hotel in 1968, June, and then on the MLK assassination, you know, april of 68 yeah which i've always thought to my credit i've always thought that was a conspiracy i mean clearly that's an absurd story that james roll ray an escaped prison mate somehow winds up and he threw airport with two fake passports like how did you do that clearly there were others involved i don't know who sounds a lot like butler pennsylvania too doesn't it right how does that happen but he issues executive order, which I guess has the force of law. He's the president of the United States, elected president of the United States. He does this three days after the

inauguration. It's one of the first things he does. And here we are in March, whatever it is, the second week of March, and we've got nothing. And in the case of... Are we being played? I honestly don't know what's going on, but I'll tell you just by deduction what I know is true.

First of all, I know that the CIA was involved in some way or parts of the CIA, the Angleton, the counter intel part of the CIA. CIA is huge. It's not everyone in the CIA, but there were CIA officials who were involved. I know that because I know someone who saw some of the documents and told me that. But I have thought up until recently well it must be you know they're trying to protect the institution let's see everyone's dead 62 years later everyone's dead so why are you holding it like why don't you just here's everything we have like why do you care and i always thought it was well you got to protect the ca but then you know we had the

church committee hearings 50 years ago and they showed the ca was up to all kinds of nonsense like pretty dark stuff and everyone already knows that yeah so they're gonna further discredit the institute like nobody cares actually nobody cares everyone knows the cia is the most corrupt organization in the world nobody can even name the cia director in november of 63 john mccone but people don't know they don't care so why are they even now even a month and a half after the executive order requiring them to release these files, whose location we know, it's not like they have to gather all these files. We know they're in the National Archives, most of them. And they're all digitized, by the way. This idea that they're in boxes, that we need somebody to go through it, it's the same garbage with the Epstein files.

So, but, like, what the hell is this? They're all digitized. Right. So what are you, who are you protecting? Well, that's the question. Who, is there a foreign government involved is this? They're all digitized. Right. So who are you protecting? Well, that's the question. Is there a foreign government involved in this? Well, I know this for a fact. There is active pressure, active pressure on elected officials to stop this disclosure right now.

Now, in 2025. That was 1963. And where is that coming from? You know, I don't know, and I'm not going to speculate on it, but there's active pressure. And I don't believe for a second that it's from the CIA. Who? John Ratcliffe? Former Congressman John Ratcliffe, who's now the director? He cares? I don't think so. So does John Ratcliffe want these released? I haven't the faintest idea.

And I don't have any evidence that Ratcliffe is involved in efforts to prevent disclosure. I don't mean to suggest that I do, but I'm just saying, like, who is powerful enough to scare people into slow walking the disclosure? And by the way, slow walking a disclosure is the same as not providing the disclosure. Yeah. Why are they slow walking it? To somehow continue to hide facts what is the purpose who is you know what is the force acting on the u.s government on the new administration to prevent disclosure and i think it's a totally fair question because

it's the president united states got murdered the people voted for this is the heart of democracy we vote for our leader and it was overturned and anyway, I think it's very important to get to the bottom of the JFK thing. Yeah. And the Epstein files and all of the other things that are being kept by the United States government without transparency to the American people. Again, the USS Liberty story. Or, hey, is the United States government, we've been secretly funding with billions of dollars, gravitic propulsion technologies because we captured UFOs. We know that we have downed craft. We have crash retrieval.

We have how many whistleblowers have come out now that were on crash retrieval? Under oath, by the way. Under oath. Crash retrieval whistleblowers. High-ranking members of the military, by the way. Under oath. Crash retrieval. Whistleblowers. High-ranking members of the military, by the way. These aren't like schleps. No, these are not corporals. I don't even know what that word means.

From the motor pool. No, no. Yeah, but these are people that have high classified clearances. Or they're officers, yeah. Yeah. Who've been involved in crash retrieval programs. We have the technology. We've had it for years.

Sometimes we do this on our show and people like oh there goes clayton again talking about ufos like this to me is one of the biggest stories of all time you mean we have technology that we can travel from here to paris instantaneously but you can't let us have it you mean to tell me we do have that technology i mean purportedly that we have or we figured out how to use that technology i don't know that we've been able to use it as well as they have but we have technology that can move us at incredible speeds that human body under normal circumstances would be ripped apart doing nine g's right but and with this gravity propulsion technology we're protected in that way so i don't

understand all of it all that to say that yes, there's technology that we aren't allowed to see that some defense contractors are and have had access to. And that's the brilliance of this program, which is like break up pieces of this program and disperse it to Boeing, to Northrop Grumman, to all of these different. So you don't get to really talk. You get working on different pieces of this project. How it all comes together, I don't know. But we have members of the military who've been involved in the retrieval for the purposes of reverse engineering and studying. I noticed that it's all death-related technology, which does tell you something. No, no, seriously, it's not like—

Why do you think the defense industry is so involved in it, right? But it's just—no one is claiming, I've never heard anybody say that the U.S. government is hiding technology that, you know, might actually help you. So that's where, and they don't talk about it, but I have talked to sources who've told me that they've witnessed firsthand this health technology being used to regrow limbs that we don't have access to. Like basically the eradication of cancer, but limbs that were missing,

regrowing human limbs using this technology. Described it as like a wand and others, but I don't know. I've never seen it, but somebody has seen it. And there are people who've openly talked about it and who've, I don't know, been quoted and reported in different books. But I've spoken to an individual who saw it personally, this technology. So it's not all death related, but I don't know how much of it is health related,

but certainly the ability to scan bodies, maybe eliminate cancers, maybe regrow limbs. Wouldn't we love to know that? I would love to know that. And if they're keeping... So, maybe it's all BS. I don't think so. And I think if they have it, we deserve to know about it. And if our taxpayers are funding these reversal technology programs and they're keeping it quiet from us and it's compartmentalized and we're not allowed to see it, that to me is a travesty. You mean to tell me the biopharmaceutical, so you might be thinking, why, why would they keep it? So the biopharmaceutical complex, which is arguably bigger than the industrial complex, the military industrial complex in Washington, right, by volume. Why would they, why would they push COVID shots on us without trials, without actual human trials?

And oh, they tested on 11 mice. Okay, okay, that's good. So let me inject myself with that. You know, that's enough for me. 11 mice? 10 wouldn't have been enough. That's when the mRNA vaccines came out, I thought to myself, oh, there's never been a successful coronavirus vaccine. You haven't tested it.

It's a novel technology, and it could potentially change people's genes. I was first in line. I want those white fibrous clots in my body. I want you to change the basic genetic makeup of me. Yeah. What's amazing is you got the shot. Now you have a vagina, which is so amazing. I mean, I, weird things have happened. But no, and then you also get immunity. Then you get, then, then your company, then your company rolls out this vaccine without, without a, without any testing, but also gets legal immunity as well. And so now you can't be sued for it. So the biopharmaceutical complex would love to basically

continue to sell you medicine for the rest of your life, make you sick with highly processed foods. And then on the other side of it also give you statins know statins you know right so they make money like funding both sides of this stuff so we there's a technology that will eliminate maybe potentially eliminate cancers or fix fix my tumor in my body with a like with a wave of a wand again i'm not saying i've seen it i'm saying i've heard that this technology exists. Wouldn't you love to keep it under wraps in the same way that with Nikola Tesla finding free energy? You mean the atmosphere? I can literally pull etheric energy right out of the atmosphere and power my home? We can't have you have access to that because you need to buy gasoline.

You need to pay the power company. So wait a minute. I can set up my own sort of like Tesla device. Why do you think the FBI raided his, you know, his work in New York City and took all of his documents? We can't have, we cannot allow you to have access to free energy or things that would eliminate cancer because somebody's got to make money off of it. I mean, to me, it's Occam's razor, right? It's the clearest definition of like why. Before I forget, where did nuclear technology come from?

I've never heard anybody explain where it came from. It's like, oh, Germany, the 1930s. Really, what was the moment where it was discovered? I don't know the answer to that. I know that a lot of incredible technologies emerged right around that time. There were also, at that time, downed UFOs right around that time. So it is remarkable that we suddenly had transformers. Where did transformers come from?

Where did all of these weird technology—where did the microchip suddenly come from? Silicon, microchip, where did all of that suddenly come from? Right around the same time as reports of downpathic machines that are able to connect without even using your hands. Individuals who've seen these crafts so they're basically able to control them with their mind. The U.S. government has access to that. Shouldn't we know about it? Probably, you know. There are some who argue, no, we shouldn't.

We shouldn't because it would blow our minds. We shouldn't be allowed to see this stuff because it would alter the space-time continuum. Yeah, of course, I'm always for disclosure. Of course. On the other hand, I always think of like the classic kidnapping scenario where someone is kidnapped. The kidnapper is demanding a ransom. And so there's a hope that the kidnapped person will return home alive as long as the ransom is paid. But in order for that to work,

the person who's been kidnapped has to remain blindfolded. He can never see the kidnapper because the second he does, the kidnapper has to kill him. There are moments where big picture, knowing too much is a huge threat. And I wonder if we're there right now, because we're having this conversation, your show is crushing it online, on YouTube and Rumble, and other people are doing shows like that, and X is pretty open, actually. People can pretty much say what they want. And maybe people know too much to be governed actually once you realize how fake a lot of the things you thought were real turn out to be um like how do you gonna pay

your taxes well that's very much how i feel yeah you know why are you paying your credit card bill right this is a total scam right this is i mean it it's a complete, you know, it's loan sharking, but they spend more on congressional campaigns than you do, so they get to, like, destroy your life. I don't know, there's a lot of stuff like that. Right. And so, like, how long can our government keep free speech and exist? And exist. I mean, if they want to cover up things like the massive child sex trafficking operation in the United States or any of these big things, they're going to go to great lengths to silence journalists who are uncovering this or clamping down on cross-social media platforms or demonetizing or blocking videos when we cover certain subjects. And so they try, but I think this information is getting out there more than it ever has. It definitely is.

And I love it. But to your point, then do we become ungovernable? Ungovernable. Am I saying? Because we can't, because we're saying, wait, wait, the CIA killed JFK? The CIA and a foreign government collaborated and killed American sailors? Why would I want to join the U.S. Navy? Like, that's what my government does? Why would I pay my taxes when the IRS is funneling $20 million to Uganda for circumcision studies or whatever? Like, why would I pay my... So, at what point do you have a revolution? Do you have a Thomas Paine? Well, that's exactly... that's what I'm saying. So, like, it does feel like we're reaching, you know, for all of their silly censorship attempts. Like, people I know are – I don't want to use the word radicalized, but they're way more open-minded than they were five years ago and infinitely more than they were 20 years ago when one-tenth of what you just said would

have given you know earned you a clinical diagnosis right yeah you would have been by definition crazy for saying anything like what you just said and now people like yeah you know i don't know if that's true but that could be true yeah and so i just wonder like at some point if you're going to maintain if you if you believe the world is run effectively by criminal cartels with very dark anti-human motives, obviously true, then, like, they have way more power than we do. They have way more advanced weapons than we do. They're clearly loosely organized across borders. And so, like, how long are they going to put up with this? Like, you and me sitting here, you know, reading X in commercial breaks.

I don't know. Like, is this sustainable? I hope i have hope you know i'm a glass half full kind of person i always have been that the trump administration yeah you know the difference between people i look at the first trump administration in this trump administration trump gave zielinski javelins no one's first and you know his first trump administration and now he's yelling at him in the Oval Office and he's cutting off surveillance aid and other things. So I'm hopeful that things have changed, that he's surrounded himself with the right intel people to clean house. But if there are those deep state forces, and when I say deep state, people kind of roll their

eyes, but it's just the permanent government. You know, it's just the people that are entrenched there for 40 years, the bureaucrats who have these interests at heart, whether it's child sex trafficking operations for rich people in the United States or the pedophiles in Hollywood or whatever it is, you know, they have these interests and these moneyed interests to funnel money back to their spouses or whatever through these NGOs and everything else. Can the Trump administration, can these people actually clean house? So I'm hopeful. Can they get them in there? Can they actually root them out?

And we can actually get back to maybe a pure American government in the vein of like a Thomas Paine, which is, we don't like government, but can we have the least amount of it as possible? And I think the American people would rally around that. I just, I feel it. I see it. I see it among people who were not even Trump supporters who have now become, they're become champions of what they're doing with Doge and these other things. And they're hopeful for the first time in a way that they maybe the american government they learned about in civics civics classes is attainable once again which seems growing i never thought i'd see it be

attainable once again you know in the era of nafta and everything else with under bill clinton and george hw bush and haliburton all of the all of the things that drove me crazy you know war in iraq and all that all of that Are we somehow getting back to what it means to the, you know, the United States Constitution? That I'm hopeful about. And I think we could get there if we have the right people in power. It really does come down to that, doesn't it? The popular will is not quite as relevant as I thought it was. It's a great point because where were, we had the trucker convoy in Canada, which showed incredible bravery. Where was the massive trucker convoy in the United States? Where were the men?

I agree. You know what I mean? Where were the men during the Biden administration saying, we're done with this. And you know what? Either I'm going to put on my MAGA hat or not, it doesn't matter. I'm going to put on my trucker hat. It doesn't matter. And we're taken to the streets, and we're going to go down to the southern border, and you're not getting across our southern border. I know there were some pieces of that. But I feel like the organizing principle of the United—I feel like there's a lack of that. And I don't know. I worry about that popular push and for people to stand together and say enough is enough with this tyranny.

It does come down to men. Yeah. And yeah, I'm thinking a lot about my father recently and I, you know, whenever we're all flawed, but I just don't, I haven't met a man like him really in the last 20, I can't remember the last time I met a man like him on the basic level. I mean, he was the kindest, most loyal father, but there were absolutely limits. Like, if you were rude to his wife, for example, he'd punch you right in the face without even hesitating. Not for one, I saw it happen on the parking lot of a movie theater as a child. It was shocking. But, you know, can't be rude to my wife. Like, there limits i don't know right there are rules here right and one of them is you can't attack my family period and i don't know i loved growing up like that because i felt like my family i loved it i'm i try to be that father and husband but i i loved it it gave us such security it's like no one fucks with pop he is not he's a loaded gun man you know wonderful man hilarious really nice but if there's any threat to the family like it's not even going to hesitate he doesn't think about the consequences you see some of these videos emerge where are the

men like that where like it says oh the you know the moment you she knew that he he wasn't the one and there's like a you know a robber comes up in the alleyway and and the man like just leaves the girl there and just runs the opposite way. I'm like, holy smokes. You're right. My dad, he served in Nuremberg after the war, took over an SS barracks there and ran tank drills all through Nuremberg. But he was a tough guy. But he was also the most kindest.

But he would not be messed with. Like, you know, whether it was cut off in traffic or messed with, he would, you know, he wouldn't put up with it. And he also wouldn't put up with it for the treatment of his children and his family either. Of course not. You know, and I think we need more of that. Well, I totally agree. And I just don't, I don't see, at least in the world that I live with. I was talking to my brother the other day and saying when we were kids, you know, being in Maine in the summertime and boy, you could not be rude to people.

Like that just wouldn't end well at all. And I said to him, you know, I don't remember the last time I was ever in any sense intimidated by any white man. Like there's just no white man's going to kick your ass. I'm sorry. I mean, I am a white man. I'm not against white men. I'm like everybody else. I like white man. Like, there's just no white man that's going to kick your ass. I'm sorry. I mean, I am a white man. I'm not against white men. I'm like everybody else. I like white men.

I'm the father and uncle of some, but I don't feel any, there's no intimidation or whatever. It's like, you know, what are they going to do? Nothing. My son brings up this story. I can't believe I'm going to share this,

but like the stories that my son, he's 14 now, will kind of bring up when daddy gets pissed and he likes it. I think as a young man, maybe you sort of, you endear to that, you know? And, uh, there was one time there, this guy rode past, rode past, we were all riding bikes as a family. And this guy rode past on his motorcycle and just flew right, almost, almost hit my, uh, young daughter and almost, almost killed her, like flew right past her. And I flipped out and I had the baby on the back seat of my bike and I was ready

to just jump off and run after this motorcyclist. And my wife jokes, she's like, what were you going to do? The baby was still in the carrier behind you, you know, on the thing, like you're going to fight a guy with one hand and a thing. But, and then we were in Vienna of all places, talk about compliant. And it was like, we were trying to make it to this show as a thing. And then we were in Vienna of all places. Talk about compliant. And it was like, we were trying to make it to this show as a family. It was freezing. And we went into this little, it was an information kiosk to help tourists. And it was eight o'clock and it was closing at eight. And I walk in and she says, we're closing. We can't help you. We cannot help you. We've been here all day. I said, my my family's freezing we're just trying to find this location can we please you

know get to this location can you help us with i can't i'm sorry no more help i can't help you i said and i just flipped out and i you know maybe it was the philadelphia in me i just flipped out i said well thanks for the effing you know uh um thanks for the the effing hospitality here in vienna and i just flipped out and And then she kind of calmly said, okay, you're looking for the Shakespeare Theater. Okay, well then it's, and my son still to this day will bring that up. He's like, thanks for the effing hospitality here in Vienna.

So I don't know. It's just, I'm not proud of those moments. No, but I mean, that's, I do think like you can extrapolate outward toward a whole country or civilization. That's like, if the men aren't willing to defend it. First of all, things get very jumpy and chaotic inside as people feel undefended. Yeah.

And it makes them crazy and very anxious. But it's also true that you get invaded. Yeah. Do we have like a nation of beta males right now? We get invaded. How could you allow 15 million illegal aliens in your country? And I always used to think this about the governor of texas who's a perfectly nice guy i guess but like he sat there

for four years and let millions of people who had no right to be here at all and in most cases honestly probably not any conceivable benefit the united states invade his country and like destroy ranches destroy the physical environment make it dirtier texas has gotten way dirtier way dirtier and oh yes literally in the past five years and he never sent his national guard to the border and i confronted him twice in person about it just off camera but like what are you doing dude oh it's very complicated it's not complicated and you've confronted him on camera i have no i've been mean you know abbott's a perfectly nice guy i don't think he's worshiping satan or anything i i like greg abbott but like I've never confronted him on camera. I have. No, I've been mean. You know, Abbott's a perfectly nice guy. It's a great question. I don't think he's worshiping Satan or anything.

I like Greg Abbott. But, like, what is that? That's your most basic duty. You got a home invasion, dude. Go get your gun. So that, to me, is even one of the obvious pieces of it, which is these people are literally, you see them coming across your border. They're taking over ranches. They're killing people.

But they've actually set up entire communities with homes in your own in texas in the state not only that huge which used to be walmart facilities are now massive child sex trafficking operations okay so i take it back i don't like ebbett because you're right you're right it's under his watch it's too much evil that's right and you have to blame the leader no one ever blames the leader yeah like. Like if your country, that's another thing. It's like Russia's better than it was 25 years ago. Does anyone, can anyone say it's not? It is. So like, okay, you could say Putin does a lot of bad things.

I think that's true. On the other hand, his country is better. Like that counts for something. Our country's worse. And we never hold any of our leaders accountable. It's like, that was a massive fuck up. The Afghan withdrawal, you know, whatever, the Iraq war, the destruction of new york city chicago going back to gary indiana and baltimore like who did that yeah and then they named bridges after the people who destroyed the city it's i

can't believe the lack of accountability my wife would shoot me if i led my family like that she just she'd just shoot me because that's criminal right she would come in and she would just put you out of your misery and i would deserve it yeah you're leading our family like this you're done all my kids are homeless fentanyl addicts yeah i think that's a failure sorry i do yeah well like assad right i mean syria used to be one of the most peaceful countries in the world but people don't want to admit it you know and so you know and uh bad bad location but we have to like poland and ukraine caught between larger powers but we need to hate assad we need to hate putin but we can't hate our own leaders enough and these people still get you know they fail up as my wife likes to say

these people in washington are now running you know these people who failed and destroyed our country are put in charge of things it's unbelievable to me so now that you've moved back to the United States, obviously you never announced your citizenship. You always have been American with a lot of family here. But now you're living here. And on the very beginning of this new administration, what are the things that you're looking forward to,

that you're hopeful for? What changes do you think this administration will make that will make the country better? You know, I live in Colorado, and I saw firsthand, you know, families texting and family groups concerns about, hey, you know, the neighbor was just broken into, Venezuelan gang just robbed this, just robbed that. I'm hoping that violent criminals are sent back to their countries, number one. And I think I kind of fall in line with where most Americans were doing with exit polling and what they wanted, which was that they wanted the economy to work for the American people and they wanted their borders secure and safety. I think that's what most families want. I wanted to war with Iran. That's just me.

That's not just you. Oh, okay. That's a lot of you. That's just me. That's not just you. That's a lot of you. That's the Hudson Institute, AEI. I've become really, you know, going back to, I know the word isolationist is kind of a bad thing. People throw that around. According to whom? Well, a lot of neocons

think it's a bad thing and they try to sort of cover up George Washington in many ways to try to cover up his words on isolationism and, you know, in his farewell address telling America to stay out of foreign governments' businesses. And, you know, I know we get this idea, this sort of George Soros open society that we need to be like a global economy and we need to, you know, everything needs to be open and there doesn't need to be, I want a world without borders. You know, I don't want any of that. I think in many ways, I want America to go back to what I studied and loved and fell in love with as a,

you know, as a U.S. history major. I would sit in my bedroom as a child and read these massive ass history books, you know, everything, you know, David McCullough books and all of this stuff and reading about George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. And I loved it. I, you know, I... The thing about isolationism is, in the United States, that it acknowledges reality. And the reality, the physical reality is the United States is isolated. It's isolated from the other major civilizations in the world. Right.

And that's been a massive benefit it's not lichtenstein it's not hungary it's not poland it's not ukraine it doesn't have to deal with the problems that those wonderful countries i'm not attacking them but they have all these problems that we just don't inherently have because of the pacific and atlantic ocean so yeah geography matters and i don't understand so it's mostly rich people who are pushing this and isolationism is bad why don don't they pay for these wars themselves? I've never understood that. It's like, attach yourself to the US government and then force its citizens to pay for like your pet war. Why doesn't, you know, why don't these people pay for it themselves?

Right. They could if they wanted to. Oh, I'm aware. They could fully fund it. I mean, when Bernie Sanders was out there pushing to tax, you know, to increase taxes for the wealthy, I think it was the Cato Institute or somebody set up a website where all of these like wealthy politicians who are now millionaires, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Nancy Pelosi, they could all donate millions of dollars if they want. Like you want to, you put the money here. And they could go fight the wars by the way too. Right. I mean, I think most of these hedge fund billionaires who've been pushing the

U.S. government to pay for all these absurd wars and still are, they could send their billions to whatever foreign country they wanted or whatever armed group they want to support. And then they could go join their ranks. But they want, they just want to make the money. So the, you know, the palantirs of the world that want to, you know, make money off the backs of the technocracy in this country and make money by now, you know, setting up a biometric border wall at the southern border or, you know, using their technology, AI technology to carry out, you know, drone operations wherever, you know, they're going to make, they're going to continue to make billions of dollars off of the war unless we sort of flip the paradigm. It comes back to

your Christian point earlier. I hadn't thought about in those terms, but it's deeply disturbing because if it is, you know, we want peace. I hope for this administration that they are able to get us out of all these wars. I would love for the Trump administration to take the 50,000 troops in Europe and put them in the United States and secure our southern border. We had over a hundred years the United States and secure our southern border. We had over 100 years of United States forces on our southern border. This is not like a new idea. So, and Germany's had 100 years of foreign troops on its soil, and no one responsible for the atrocities of the Nazi regime is still alive.

And so, maybe you just sort of let the Germans be a country again. I think that's fair i don't think foreign troops on your soil is good for your country at all that's why the germans are suicidal which they are and like what is the point how long is this going to go on and japan well i feel the same way about japan yeah it's a little more complicated because of china but i do agree with that in korea for that matter has not been good for japan or korea north korea has a much higher birth rate than south korea what korea has a much higher birth rate than south korea what is that i didn't know that much higher oh much higher i know the birth gap

over there is terrible south korea is one of the lowest and i i just want to say i love south korea and i love the people almost more than any other country just wonderful people so i'm not attacking them i feel sorry for them but their country's evaporating it's dying japan as well and japan as well another country I absolutely love. Everyone who visits Japan is like, this is incredible, which it is because the people are incredible. Right.

And, but like having foreign troops on your soil does something to you. It turns you into, it reduces you. Well, I've talked to friends in Poland who've told me they would love for NATO to break up. They would love for the NATO bases to close in Poland, for American forces to not be on their soil anymore.

You know, this idea that we need NATO as a defensive organization is a complete crock of garbage. I mean, it's never been a defensive organization. Just look at Operation Gladio, for crying out loud. What is Operation Gladio? So the NATO terrorist armies that were left behind after World War II. Operation Gladio was only revealed in the 1990s. Documents have finally come out about it. But Operation Gladio was basically the instigation of terrorism at the hand of NATO forces. The Bologna Massacre in Italy, Belgium.

I'm embarrassed. I don't even know what you're talking about. Well, most people don't because it's all hidden and they want people to believe that- What was the Bologna Massacre? Well, using NATO forces to basically- I just want to compliment myself by saying I'm so self-confident,

I will admit to being totally ignorant of something I should know about. I didn't know what- That's why I'm grateful you're here. So what was the Bologna Massacre? I don't know, and I will admit to being totally ignorant of something I should know about. I didn't know what I'm grateful you're here. So what was the Bologna massacre? I don't know. And I will admit my ignorance on the full details of it. Yes.

But it, you know, took place in Bologna and NATO, NATO forces instigating violence, killing individuals in order to prevent, you know, Soviets basically from coming into Italy. The same with in Belgium with attacks there and violence there against its own people. So these NATO terrorist armies were used, again, almost like false flag operations. So again, false flags work. This was in the era of like many false flags. So Operation Gladio, people can look it up. The documents were finally revealed in the 1990s. There's a great

book on it called the NATO Terrorist Armies, but it's never been a defensive organization. And anyone who says that is being completely disingenuous. People point to Yugoslavia, that's a big piece of it, but that's even just a part of it. These NATO stand behind armies, these terrorist armies all across Europe were basically meant to prevent Russia or Soviet Union from gathering a foothold in certain countries by carrying out false flag operations. So, and committing terrorism, that's exactly what they did. And that's what NATO has been. It's never been a defensive organization. I want to hit one more topic. So, just big picture, I have to, again, if you had said any of this five years ago, people would be like, Clayton's a nice guy, good guy, cute kids, nice wife, but obviously he's profoundly mentally ill.

Yes. I don't think there. That's just flat earth stuff, is the Brigitte Macron. Emmanuel Macron, President of France's wife, was accused first by French journalists and then by my friend Candace Owens, who's one of the nicest people I've ever met, actually. Yeah, she's incredible. And very smart. She's incredible. And everyone's always, Candace Owens is a hater. Candace Owens is the opposite of a hater, but she's a very kind person.

But anyway, but she comes out and she's like, I will wager my professional credibility on the claim that Macron's wife is actually a man. And I was like, I was like, oh, Candace Owens, I love you, but I think this is too, too crazy. Yeah. And then it turns out she's right. Yeah. So can you just explain? My mind is blown. Well, my wife has been upset.

By the way, the Candace Owens pieces on this are phenomenal. And so I'll be sitting there and my wife, I'm like, what are you watching? She's like, I'm watching Candace Owens' whole deep dive on this. So let's give credit, you know, I'm giving full credit to Candace Owens on this for really opening this story up from the French journalists who first broke it and then were, I think, the fact that Emmanuel Macron was a child and this man takes him under his wing and is a groomer uses the identity of another human being. I mean, I'm definitely shortening the story in all of these ways, but I don't know the full details the way that Candace does for sure. But Brigitte Macron is a man who groomed Emmanuel Macron. And in their – I mean the amazing thing to me is the French portrait that they have, the presidential portrait or whatever. In the background, you can see like a pedophile book that's painted in on purpose. You can't make this stuff up. What? book that's painted in on purpose like you can't make this stuff up what the official like french

portrait painting there's in the in the background of it you can see like a basically a pedophile book that's been painted in on purpose um and other paintings that brigitte macron was famous for having around in the in the palace all these really awful looking things. You know, you've got pictures of a barn here. Like the stuff that Brigitte likes to hang around, it's like pedophilia stuff on the walls. So it's incredibly crazy. What is it with pedophilia? I mean, pedophilia is one of those things that it's like,

it's so, and I can relate to almost any sin, but I just want to be clear. I'm not being holier than thou. I mean, I've done bad things. I have had, you know, bad impulses. I can kind of understand why people get pissed and shoot each other or steal or, you know, I don't, but I get it.

Road rage, yeah. Completely. Yeah. You know, there but for the grace of God. That's how I sometimes feel. But pedophilia? Like, that's something that I can honestly say with a clean conscience never even occurred to me. That's like so.

Yeah, I can say it too. What is that? It's, and to me, and what's, involved in it, in Hollywood, in Washington, D.C., funneling. I mean, again, not to go back to it, but it's all part of this operation with these elites who, when you have these children, for instance, in Guatemala, the, what is it, 197,000 Guatemalan children that were funneled into the United States and were then funneled to be used in the sex trade in the United States. The United States is the largest purveyor of child sex trafficking in the world. The world. And we bring more children into the United States and are used

for sex slavery than any country in the world. When Trump was asked, where are these children, these 300, 400,000 children? And Trump said, I think they're dead. Trump was honest about it. They are. They're used and abused and thrown away. And so when you have people like Brigitte Macron who are like groomers of children, it makes sense that they would be protected.

It does. And these elite circles. It's incredibly disgusting. I never thought I would get to a place where I would like nod as somebody said, our elites are trafficking children for pedophilia. But actually, once you see what's going on, it makes sense because what is pedophilia? It's a spiritual, it's not, I do think that it's more than just a diseased sexual impulse though. It's clearly that. But it's the desire to defile purity yeah i think that's

what it is yeah i think the appeal is you take a child who is pure physically untouched not corrupted by adult desire and you destroy that yeah and that's the charge it's that's just that's a spiritual thing that's that's like that's like sacrifice. It's like, which is ubiquitous. And by the way, it's still happening. I mean, it's just, to me, it's just part of the same thing. The, you know, the child sex trafficking and then to be a part of it and didn't know they were a part of it, out of Texas and flying these children from these facilities in Texas and Abbott's backyard to different parts of the country. Oh, what about the well, so you're flying them to where? Oh, we don't really know. They say that they're, no, but it's just wealthy people's homes. And do you check up on them? We're supposed to do a

wellness check, but we don't really do that. And if we do, it's just like a phone call. And if they don't even answer their phone, that's considered the wellness check on the child. So the NGOs responsible for facilitating the death and sex trafficking of these children across the United States into rich homes in Miami, rich homes in Orlando, rich homes in Orlando, rich homes in Tennessee, rich homes in Washington, D.C. Are you the father? No, no, no relation whatsoever to these children. So when we hear the liberals crying about, you're separating children from their families at the border, those aren't the fathers. They bring these children across the border. They've got like a name tag stuck on them. That's not the father. You mean

the child that he's holding that's drugged? You mean the coyote that's holding that child? That child is drugged and you can't even ask the child, what's your father's name? Because that person was brought all the way up from Guatemala three weeks ago and has been drugged the entire time, can't speak and is slurring the words. This is happening in the United States, and the United States is facilitating it. Without a doubt, it's facilitating it. And these NGOs had been receiving lots of money from USAID and others. And it's been happening right under the nose of the Biden administration and under Alejandro Mayorkas, who facilitated all of it and allowed it to happen.

And when was confronted about it, told us that our borders were secure. Really? Okay. Hundreds of thousands of children that just gone missing in the United States. And I get so frustrated because people compartmentalize this story. Like they're happy to talk about Doge, which is great. They're happy to talk about other things. But I would love to see, like, the President of the United States or J.D. Vance, like, get up during the State of the Union and say, we've uncovered something really dark, and we're going to put an end to it. And this is what we've uncovered. We can't even get the Epstein tapes.

Yeah. Not just the files, but their videotapes. And where are they? Right. Terabytes of videos from Epstein's home in New York and his island. Yes. And his ranch in New Mexico. So, and I know from talking to FBI agents that in fact, those are former FBI, that those, a lot of that would have been housed on separate servers. So when we heard stories about things being destroyed over the past few weeks, that those servers, which weren't tied to the internet, were individual servers that had terabytes of video data on it. Was that what was being destroyed? Who ordered that?

Who ordered the destruction of those hard drives, those servers? Probably the same people who got into the most secure wing of a secure federal detention facility in Manhattan and murdered the guy. As the guards slept. So probably those people probably because anybody who could do that you know can't even guess as to who it was but has a lot of power like that that's actual power you can murder someone in a cell in a federal detention facility oh yeah you have power and taking over electric cars driving people into trees um into trees. There's sources I've spoken to who've really gone to great lengths to shed light on the massive child sex trafficking operation and who've had their lives in many ways destroyed, threatened, run off the street in electric cars. So they don't even drive cars anymore. Just ride bikes. So these people are evil.

These people are really, really evil. Does it ever worry you? It does, but then when I've got, you know, take my kids to multiple dance classes and swim meets and swimming, and, you know, then you just kind multiple dance classes and swim meets and swimming. And, you know, then you just kind of, I don't know, you just, I don't really think about it really. That's the spirit. You know, I don't dwell on it, I guess, you know, maybe I would never, I'd never leave the house again, but here I am, you know, cause I don't know. I don't think about it. I definitely thought

about it more in Europe, to be honest with you. Because as journalists in Europe, when we were speaking out against the war in Ukraine, I UK, I can count them on more than one hand who received nasty grams from the government that they were going to be prosecuted for basically their views on Ukraine. Like, what? What is that about? Or stopped at the airport and detained for hours at a time. So I was more worried about it then. In the United States, I believe we we have, we have that, you know, those fundamental freedoms and freedom of speech. And so I, I kind of hang my head on that at the end of the day, even though I feel like those have been eroded tremendously. Yes. And I've gotten calls from journalists, where should I move? Where should I move? I said, can you move to the United States? At least there, like when I was in Europe, I couldn't use, I couldn't access laws actually so i would have to use virtual private networks to go around it to act to to be able to i would log into switzerland or iceland but iceland you know eu adjacent um so mostly united states i'd be able

to log in via a vpn in the united states to get access to news so when i hear all these people complaining about freedoms and they're like, I'm going to move to Europe to get, you know, Trump tyranny. People have called and wanted to know like, hey, you know, I don't like what's going on in America right now. So I'm thinking about going to Europe. You've lived in Europe. Like, what do you think? I love that conversation because I say, oh yeah, what are you, what are you hoping? Are you hoping to avoid freedom? Like, what do you want by going to Europe? Are you hoping to have more regulation?

To fill out more paperwork? To be more censored? Like, what is your goal? Like, what do you think Trump is going to do to you here? He's going to take away your ability to access news websites? No, no, no. You want to go to Europe for that. What is Trump going to do? He's going to close the border ability to access news websites. No, no, no. You want to go to Europe for that. What is Trump going to do?

He's going to close the border. What exactly are you upset about? And so I never really get a straight answer about it. But I just don't like the climate. I feel less safe. From who? Like a guy in a MAGA hat is going to walk down the street and now he's going to attack your daughter? Like that's – you heard all of that in the wake of the inauguration. Right.

There's people going to start volunteering at like domestic abuse centers because they're worried their MAGA husbands are now going to beat their wives. Like, really? Domestic abuse skyrocketed under Biden. Where were you then? Well, and it's the it's the it's the it's the beta liberal husband who beats up his wife. Yes. Because he hates himself. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. It's not a MAGA. No. It's not a Trump supporter is going to be. No. No. If someone hates himself, he'll definitely hate you. Yes. Because he hates himself. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, it's not a MAGA. No. It's not a Trump supporter who's going to beat him as well. No, if someone hates himself, he'll definitely hate you.

Yeah. It's probably the Germans. I mean, they're haters because they hate themselves. You know, so they... They'll allow you to blow up their pipeline. Spank me harder!

Govern me harder! It's the most self-loathing thing I've ever heard. I totally agree. In fact, I was flying back from the Middle East the other night with a German guy sitting next to me. He was pounding one very nice guy actually but um i did say he was talking about trump is bad or whatever i said but you let joe biden blow up your main energy source

kind of a bitch move no and he goes oh putin's bad i was like okay fine kind of a non-sequitur though they just blew up your natural gas pipeline. And he's like, Putin bad. I thought, this is a 17-hour flight. I'm not going to fight with a gun. Yeah. And also, well, that speaks volumes about how their most recent election went then, of course, too. Well, of course.

Right? Because if you have people that that's, you know, brainwashed into believing that and deluded, it's fine that Biden blew up our pipeline. And now our energy infrastructure has collapsed and our previous chancellor shut down our nuclear power plants and all of our manufacturing is drying up. But Putin bad. No, no. We did. You did that to yourselves. You did that to yourselves in the Bundestag.

Yeah, I know. Clayton Morris, it is just wonderful to see you to have an on-camera reunion after all these years. Oh, it's been my great pleasure and great honor to see you again. Well, it has been wonderful. And I'm just thrilled by everything you said and by what you're doing. And once again, I think you've got one of the greatest life stories of anyone I know. So I hope you'll write it. I don't know if anyone would read it.

But can I say this? And don't cut this off because I know you don't like people praising you. But you have been a beacon of hope for so many of us in the independent media world. One of the only voice at the time who was still on network television and who was speaking out against war, speaking out against trying to attack and kill people in Iran, trying to go to war against Russia. I know you lost that job probably because of that, but just- The evidence suggests so. But I just, all that to say,

you have been a beacon of light for many of us. And I truly, truly mean that for people who are maybe thinking about, you've inspired, I think, a lot of people who are thinking about maybe getting into journalism for the first time. And if they would ever ask me, who would you hold up to look at

as someone who you would like to admire in journalism or who I should study and look up to? It wouldn't be Ann Applebaum. It would be Tucker Carlson. Thank you. People should study your work. But I don't have the credentials that Ann Applebaum does and is a genius. You know, I do look at her

and I say, man, you are smart, I must say. Yeah. These people. Great to see you, man. Thank you. Great to see you. We want to see you.