The Tucker Carlson Show - Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump

Episode Date: February 3, 2025

Dana White on Mark Zuckerberg and Donald Trump. (00:00) Professional Slapping (01:30) Dana White’s Friendship With Donald Trump (11:28) Dana Joining the Board of Meta (18:32) How Dana Responded to the Bryce Mitchell Controversy (26:39) The Fall of the NFL and NBA Paid partnerships with: Cozy Earth: Promo code “Tucker” for up to 40% off at https://CozyEarth.com/Tucker PureTalk: Get an iPhone 14 or Samsung Galaxy for $0 https://PureTalk.com/Tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Are you shocked? No, I'm not shocked because I have this sort of gut thing I have. And when I first started watching it, what's crazy is two nights ago, we did the event here and the guy who won the world title was the guy that got me into it. When I started watching this stuff a few years ago, this guy named Dumpling out of Siberia, Russia.

Okay? You have the best job. I'm not kidding you. I'm not kidding you. When we first paid him, I think he wanted $25,003 goats. Did you come up with a male or female? Goats? Yeah. That's a good question. I don't know the answer to that question, but he got 25,003 goats. That was the first, the, yeah, dumpling from Siberia. The guy who got me into this

became the world champion here in Saudi Arabia. I think it seems more painful than getting punched. I don't know about that. What you're going to watch tonight, listen, you take a minimum of three slaps and slap. You're going to see shins to the face, elbows, kicks, slams. Yeah. You slap me all day. Shin to the face is nah. No, you're right. Yeah. Or an elbow. I saw you two weeks ago on stage at the inauguration. What was that like? It was awesome. Obviously, you know, like me, you have a great relationship with this guy.

And to see him to be this far away when he was taking his oath, how cool is that? I mean, it was awesome. I think you've known him better than almost anyone around him for longer. He and I are very close. I know, and have been for a long time. And that became pretty obvious late in the campaign when, even though you're not political, you wound up kind of associated with Trump just because you know him so well. Do you think he's changed since July when he got shot? Do you notice a change?

For the better. Yeah. Yeah. How? notice a change for the better yeah yeah how yeah i think that listen at the end of the day as resilient and as tough as this guy is um you know when you almost get assassinated the way that he was i think it messes with you a little bit and the thing about him is i talked to him i was flying to italy when he was shot at and I called him as soon as I landed and he had just got home from the hospital and he seemed unfazed yes which is it's just not even it's not humanly possible but he did but then after after that he flew the next day to the RNC in Milwaukee and literally never rested, never took a break, never stayed out of the limelight after almost getting shot.

And I don't know, I just felt like it, for him, it affected him, but he made a complete recovery from that thing. He did. I talked to him also that night, and he seemed totally unaffected. But how could you be totally unaffected? Do you think there were long-term consequences, good consequences? I mean, he went on to be more successful than he's ever been, right? It's just a testament to his toughness, his resilience, his grittiness. And I think this is what I truly

believe. I think that to his core, he believes that God spared him to run this country for the next four years. And I think that had a lot to do with his mentality coming out of that assassination attempt. Because he does seem calmer. He certainly seems more decisive and in command. I mean, that's just from watching it. Brilliant. Tucker, I went to Mar-a-Lago to be with him election night. He hadn't slept in like 72 hours. Then he wins the election.

I jump on a plane. I flew to Las Vegas and picked up my wife and then I flew to Hawaii. And the guy's calling me the next, I mean, the guy doesn't sleep. He just keeps going and going and going. And you know, the rallies that he was doing leading up to the election night. And I left election night. I jumped on a plane at four in the morning. He was still up when I left at four in the morning. And I literally, I don't know if the guy slept since then. It's unbelievable. All of that is totally real and on a diet that you would not recommend to any person. Never seen him, still, never seen him drink water. And I've been with him a lot since the election,

still haven't seen him drink water. He doesn't i've been with him a lot since the election still haven't seen him drink water he doesn't it just i he's he's he's what do you think that do you have any guesses i mean you're in the business of like getting maximum performance out of body and mind and spirit right and he's doing the opposite of everything you'd recommend but you know running the world yeah do you have any guesses as to how that happens i don't know i just you're unlike any human that i've ever met you know and uh i say it all the time i've i've never seen anybody that that operates the way that this man does and and it's such a and you know what was what was badass um the uh press conference that he had the other day right um when when the helicopter

crashed into the plane yeah room was packed he's calling off questions people are jumping over each other their hands are thrown up when have you seen that kind of energy in the white house especially you know within the last however many years you know you had a guy who couldn't talk publicly you had a vice president who couldn't speak publicly um you know i know the the girl who was the um in the last administration that you know the secretary of you know whatever the hell she was that goes out and does the press conferences she's taking a lot of heat but could you imagine having that job during the Biden administration?

No. It had to be absolutely brutal. Horrifying. Right? The girl's got to go out and lie pretty much every day and any type of question that made sense, she would just shut it down and walk out and leave. I mean, that had to be the worst job in America.

There couldn't be a worse job. And she did the worst job you could do. Yeah. at the worst job. With what she had to work with, I actually feel bad for that woman. I actually feel bad for that woman. Cut that woman some slack, please. I mean, imagine that's your job, that you have to go out during that administration and face the media every day. But anyway, that's besides the point. That was incredible. The last press conference when he was out there, it was like people were climbing over each other and he gets right in there, fires away and answers questions. And, you know, he's incredible. There's nothing like this guy. And how much he's done in the short amount of time that he's been there. So where's the

opposition to him? It seems like all of a sudden a sudden you know we spent eight years hearing that you know he's an evil tyrant who's going to suspend the constitution and enslave the nation and then he wins and you don't there's like kind of no opposition what happened like do you know any liberals still well you know what's funny you know i'm one of these guys and you and i've had this conversation before I don't judge anybody by their politics yeah and I follow like CNN and MSNBC and all these other and and because I like to hear everybody MSNBC I don't even know how they're still on the air they are the nuttiest I had to unfollow for me to do that it's like I love hearing everybody's opinion they are nuts it's it's like I can't even listen to them they're so it's almost like a comic strip like it's a it's a cartoon that network it's it's like a cartoon

it's so bad it's unbelievable and and and it's the whole if trump says it's blue they say it's black if it's you know it's just it's it's so bad but yeah no anyone by a landslide anyone in your personal life no do you feel like there's been a change oh yeah yeah there's not one person that i know that is a hardcore liberal and they're out there arguing about anything anymore it's it's it's dead it's all gone actually the exact opposite the people that i know that were very liberal they're not very right but they're definitely not very left i know right and everyone seems to have accepted free speech as the status quo now like i think so you've been sticking with that for well through the middle of all of this famously but now people like yeah okay you know i disagree but you get to say what you think

yeah no does it feel that way yeah it really needs to be that way you can never let that go you let that go and we're all in big trouble man so but i feel like i also felt like after the election there was a sigh of relief and not just in the united states but all over the world here and other countries that we go to it's just everybody is celebrating the fact that trump won the election on both sides of the conflict i agree in israel and the arab countries both people were happy i agree at the power slap event the other night you know their fans here and i was talking to people and taking pictures and stuff and people were saying to me you have to tell trump to stop this war.

Trump has to stop this war. You know what I mean? They're looking at the American president to help what's going on over here. And I hope he will. And in Russia and Ukraine, I think the Russians and the Ukrainians, maybe not Zelensky,

but I think most Ukrainians, I've never met a Ukrainian that's not for Trump. I've never met a Russian that's not for Trump. I mean, it's just interesting. Could not agree with you more. Because they think that, I mean, you've got fighters from all over the world. Yep. And the farther away they are from the United States, the more they are for Trump.

Well, did you ever notice that every time I have Trump at a UFC event, every fighter walks over to him and, you know, pays respect to him. And all the fighters love him from all over the world. And, yeah, it's been a huge sigh of relief since the election. Anyone who's knowledgeable about physical health would tell you that sleep is absolutely essential. And here's a good way to get a better sleep. It's called Cozy Earth. We use them. They make bamboo sheets. That sounds a little bit weird. Try it. It's one of those things that's so weird, it's likely to be great.

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Then all of a sudden I see him and he looks completely different. He puts you on the meta board and he's like, he seems like a Trump guy. What is that? I think what you saw, not just Zuckerberg, I think you see all the guys from Silicon Valley now that are, you know, having dinner with Trump, showing up at the inauguration and creating a relationship with him. I feel like a lot of these people were, during the woke, nutty madness that we went through, you know, I guess I would call it during the COVID era and a little before that are also relieved that it's over. And I think a lot of people, it was very few people, there was a handful of people that actually stood up against this and weren't afraid to face, I don't know, whatever we might

have faced during that thing. A lot of people got canceled. A lot of bad things happened to a lot of good people during that time. But there was a handful of people that stood up to it. And I think everybody's relieved that it's over. Are you concerned that at your next meta meeting, you'll lock eyes with Mark Zuckerberg and he will steal your soul? Do you not get that alien vibe at all? I actually like Mark.

No, listen, if I felt that way about Zuckerberg, I would have never been on the board. I would have never. So my head of PR actually hit me up one day and says, hey, Mark Zuckerberg's looking for your number. Can I give it to him? And I said, yeah, of course. So he called me and he said,

would you mind coming up to my place in tahoe and having dinner and i said um what's this place in tahoe like i'll tell you so i don't know mark zuckerberg never talked to him saw the movie uh you know that that's as much as i knew about mark zuckerberg so i walk into his living room of his house and they put me in the living room to wait. And he's got this American flag on the wall with like 13 stars on it or whatever. You know what I mean? And I'm like, off to a good start. In the back, he's got a house right on the lake. The biggest American flag you've ever seen in your life ripping in the wind in the backyard. Really? 100%. 100%. Then he comes in, we sit down, we have dinner, and we probably talk for four hours.

And I walked away from that first meeting liking Mark. And we started to create a relationship from there. We talked and he's a UFC fan and we became friends. Then the whole Elon versus Mark Zuckerberg fight thing that was going on at that time, that was real. And I was in the middle of it and I had a blast doing the negotiations with that thing, talking to Elon for an hour every night, talking to Mark an hour every night. And then I was literally- What were the negotiations about? about about the fight where it would be what weight classes this that what could you do what couldn't you do and I was literally doing uh conference calls with uh the government in Italy to do this thing in the Colosseum in Rome and you know for the right number the Colosseum in Rome. And, you know, for the right number, the Colosseum was going to let us do that fight there.

And then eventually, you know, it started to fall apart. But while it lasted, it was fun. And through that, Mark and I became even closer. And then I flew from Italy to the RNC. I spoke at the RNC. Yeah. And I flew back to Italy on my vacation with my family. And I got a text from Mark that said,

hey, can you talk for a minute? Called him back and he said, this is what he said to me. I think you're a great businessman. You always seem to be on the right side of everything. And my company needs a backbone. I would be honored if you would sit on the board for Meta. And I...

This was right after your RNC speech? Right after, as soon as I landed back in Italy. He gave $350 million to Joe Biden's campaign in 2020. That's kind of wild that he's watching you at the RNC and is like, I like what you have to say. I want you on the Meta board. Like, what do you make of that i don't know yeah i don't know that's that's interesting you gotta admit yeah but that's how it all went down that's that's the the the beginning up until today of of my relationship with mark and and uh you know

i know a lot of people think my sister, my sister is as far right. My sister's like you, as far right as you could possibly get during the COVID era. She is a good person. You and her hit it off in New York. Yes. I couldn't get you two apart in New York. But my sister during the COVID era, I'd have to say, Kelly, stop texting me. Stop, okay?

The world is not ending. So my sister had her feelings about Zuckerberg and a lot of other people that are far right. But I'm just telling you, my relationship. Kelly is not far right. Kelly is just basically a sensitive person. Kelly is as far right as you are. So what did she think about you going on the meta board? She didn't love it.

But I said, listen, Mark Zuckerberg isn't what everybody thinks he is. He's not as bad as everybody thinks he is. Well, I do think it was, I mean, we're just watching it from afar, not talking to you about it. But I thought the one thing that everyone knows about you is you're opposed to censorship. You're clearly, I mean, again, this week you had, you came out and you said one of your fighters said something you thought was disgusting and you hated,

but you're not firing him. Like you've kind of taken a stand against censorship very publicly again and again and again. You know, Facebook is known for censorship. So probably a good thing they're putting you on the board. Like what's going to happen when you're sitting in a meeting and like, we need to censor stuff we disagree with. I think that's why I'm there. I'm not there for my, my technical capabilities. I can promise you that. And my, you know, my theories on AI are and how we should,

you know, I, I, I know my role there and I've already been, I've already been in it. I mean, we've already had some situations and some things that we've dealt with my first board meeting actually in person you know up in up in Silicon Valley is uh a week after I I fly from here to Sydney we have a fight next Saturday then I fly home and then like a week later is my first board meeting where we're not on zoom. So, um, yeah, I'm, I'm not, uh, I'm, I know what my role is. And I, I, I'm the type of guy I will speak at this thing when I can add value. And when I think I, um, you know, I got a lot to learn, never been on a board before run, run, run a company, big company. Now it deals in, you know know hundreds of millions to billions of dollars and

um a lot of the things that i do are by i i would guess i would just say gut and and how i think we should handle it you know it's not like um again my head of pr she's brilliant and and i respect her very much but it's not like the other night when I found out what Bryce Mitchell had said. It's not like we got a bunch of lawyers on the phone and we didn't. You know what I did? I got on Google and I started looking up World War II and remind Bryce Mitchell on what a piece of shit Hitler was. Okay, let's, and why he's not a good guy and why you wouldn't want to go fishing with him.

And that was it. You know, I saw people saying, oh, he read a can, I don't ever read can statements. Nobody writes anything for me. And lawyers are never involved when I go out and speak, whatever, I'm writing down stats from World War II. You know, I wrote them down so i i wouldn't forget uh but nobody writes anything for me everything is exactly how i feel about it whether you like it or not i don't care i don't care if you like it

i don't care if you don't like it this is my company and i'll run it the way i want to right so when you say you know your role at facebook and you say Zuckerberg said to you, I need spine on my board, do you feel like your role is to oppose censorship at Facebook? No, I don't think that my role is to oppose censorship. I think that there's going to be decisions that need to be made on the fly. It's already happened. I mean, I've already been involved in a few things already in just a short time that I've been there. And I give my opinion on what I think should be done and how it should be handled. Everybody that I've met on the board already, they're all actually really good people and smart people. And we've all had really good

interaction so far. So I'm actually really, I'm really liking it. It's going to be my first board meeting. It's a two day thing. I don't know how long we're going to sit in there in these board meetings, but that'll be different and new for me, a new experience for me. But my interaction with all the other board members has been really, really good so far. So I'm looking forward to it. And I think that when I can add value, I will speak up. And at the end of the day, Mark Zuckerberg runs Meta. And he'll make the final decisions. I think it's brilliant in the way that he brings people in that he likes and respects and wants to hear from.

And everybody gives their opinion. And at the end of the day, Mark Zuckerberg makes the decisions. So the whole point of market capitalism is consumer choice. You have a choice between products and services. And the competition between companies makes the goods and services better. That's the core idea. Unfortunately, there are an awful lot of monopolies out there. Monopolies are not good for consumers. They are not good for you.

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Can that last? Well, I think that's a good question. You know, one of the things that I've learned in my short time at Meta is the far right think they're being suppressed. The far left think that it's too dangerous and not being policed enough. And the only place where there is true free speech is in america and the rest of the world extorts them every day that's what i've learned in my short what do you mean extorts them so if you are in some country

that have whatever country that has uh you know facebook or Instagram or whatever it is, and something gets posted and stays up that they don't like, they'll fine them, you know, all kinds of crazy. Threaten to shut them down. Yeah. That's constant. Constant, daily. Yeah. Well, it has political effect.

I mean. Yeah, there's no doubt. Those companies. Very powerful. They can bring down governments. Very powerful. And probably have, unwittingly or not. They are.

So when you think about Facebook, Instagram, X, et cetera, et cetera, I mean, this is the new media. These are the Fox, the ABCs, the NBCs of the future. This is like owning a major network or the New York Times or, you know. More. More. More powerful than that Times or, you know. More. More. More powerful than that. I agree. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, it's like television plus newspapers. Globally. It has the emotional resonance and the full penetration. Like everywhere in the world, people are looking at this stuff. And it's immediate. As soon as something comes out, the whole world knows instantly. Right.

So it's not surprising that country x every other country basically other than the united states is going to be pushing meta and google and elon at x to you know tailor this or that according to their demands but the united states is based on the idea that citizens get to say what they think period it's the first point in the bill of rights so what matters is they stay firm here and do you think they will that's a good question um i think they will for the next four years i think they will for the next four years i think you see them all except for elon i mean let's be honest elon was a superhero through this whole that's for for sure. Yeah. You know what I mean? Where are we right now without Elon Musk?

What he did was incredible. Why do you think he did it? Because I think he's smart and I think that something about him is fearless. The fact that he would go in and spend the kind of money that he did to uh to buy that thing basically just to find out what went on i mean he is literally a superhero in this country right now as far as i'm concerned and um i think what he did also made a lot of people in that field i guess i'd say braver and say you know what, we should follow his lead. And then obviously having this administration, there's nothing worse than when the government

comes after you. When we were, when the Obama administration was in, they came after us for being a monopoly. So we bought this company that was bankrupt, turning it around, creating jobs and all these other things and we got the government we had to spend like eight or nine million dollars at that time to defend ourself against a monopoly suit from the government meanwhile google actually is a monopoly yeah well there's a lot of monopolies there are a lot of monopolies exactly you know um but yeah so you know whenever you have the government coming after you, it's not fun. So what'd you tell your, I'm sorry, I missed. What'd you tell your sister? She complains

from the far right. What was that? When you said your sister complained about you joining the board, I forgot to ask you how you responded to her. What'd you say to her? Yeah, well, I told her the same thing that I just told you about how I felt about Mark. And let me ask you a question would you rather not have Meta and Mark Zuckerberg and everybody on on on our side I mean and by by our side I'd rather have you influencing them I think that's good by our side I mean the side of common sense I agree I totally agree. try to figure out how to bring everybody into the common sense world, right? I mean, isn't that what we all want? Why fight and battle and say, I would never sit on the board of Meta or whatever.

If he thinks that I can add any value, why would I not do it? And I'm very into social media. And I think it's the future. And obviously, AI is too. And I get to get inside and see and learn the future of this thing and have a hand in how it all plays out. Why would I not want to do that?

I think that's fair. I think that's fair. So what, I mean, you say that for the next four years, social media in this country following the lead of Elon is likely to be open and free and less crazy, more common sense oriented, less woke, et cetera. What about the other professional sports leagues like NFL, NBA? Do they swing back into the center of America or they continue on this self-destructive path? I don't know. That's a good question. That's a good question. that's one i can't answer i what i do is i run mine the way i think it should and again i i run it with what i call common sense well that's worked for you so why wouldn't they

try that well i mean it's hard to say that the nfl is screwing up i mean the nfl is as powerful as powerful could be the n NBA, ratings are dropping. They're having their issues. But it's hard to mess with the NFL. The NFL, you can not like the new kickoff thing. You can like some things they don't do, but the NFL absolutely kills it. It's the most powerful sport in America.

What do you think is going on with the NBA? Where are their ratings down? I just think the, I'm an NBA fan. I just went went to the laker celtics game a couple weeks ago and i'll be at another celtics game and i just think that the nba has gotten soft and everybody sees you in what sense we were just talking about this at dinner tonight i mean if you if you look at the nba when we grew up yeah so i'm a i'm a lifelong diehard Celtics fan. Yeah, New England. But when people ask me about idols and heroes and all these kind of stuff,

I've had people who've had influence on me, like Bruce Lee and Mike Tyson and lots of other people growing up. But Michael Jordan? Michael Jordan to me is, I've never met Michael Jordan, and I don't want to meet Michael Jordan. I don't ever want to meet him. I am the biggest Michael Jordan fan ever of his mentality, the way that he, I like killers, man, and Michael Jordan was a killer.

And the stuff that his teammates say about him, everybody says, I love, love it. And the NBA just isn't like that. You haven't seen that since Kobe. You know, it just doesn't have that. When you go back and think of the NBA from the 80s and 90s and all the different stars that you could remember from back then and how it was just a tougher game. You know what I mean?

It was a a tougher game. You know what I mean? It was a lot tougher. And so many fouls and flopping and all the stuff that happens today isn't what the NBA used to be and what made the NBA big. You think they got too rich? It happens. Happens in my business too. You get too rich and things change.

But I wouldn't say that yeah yeah maybe you're right yeah money screws up a lot of things maybe money did but i mean the game changed and society changed and they did become come richer i don't know that's that's a tough one to will that happen to you we have soft fighters do you think at some point um listen everybody gets everybody changes when you when you make a lot of money you know when no matter what walk off fighters lose immediately no but no matter what walk of life you're in once you get to a certain level of success you have to be a certain type of person to stay hungry and get out and fight every day. When we sold in 2016, 99% of the people said that I was going to retire and walk away. I'm not wired like that.

I love Michael Jordan. Let me tell you what you think I'm going to know. That's the way that I'm wired too. I'm still out building, you know, new brands and doing shit that I don't need to be doing, but I do it because I love it. But yeah, I could see, you know, you know how many people, you know, in a sale like mine in 2016, it just, you never see that guy again. They just, they're done. And what happens to them? I don't know. I think you just go hang out. I don't know what the hell you do. I don't know what people like that do that do no but that is actually kind of a big question since there are an awful lot of people in our country you know who because there's so much money floating around i've just kind of checked out they got too rich like do you ever check up on them to see what happened to them no i never have

it'd be interesting though you should you should you should do a show on people who who made it big and and uh you know where they sold their company where are they now what are they doing what do you do every day they're suffering yeah gotta be right yeah well imagine well i mean once the fight is gone life is gone i will never retire ever i will keep dogging this out until the day i drop dead really i love it yeah 100 you'll be like 80 years old at ringside? Hopefully. Hopefully. You look at, I hate him. He's an asshole. But Bob Arum? Yeah.

The boxing promoter? Yeah. He's 94 years old, right? I hate him. This guy's the biggest douchebag of all time. But I'm at... You're not for him, you're saying? Oh, he's a douchebag.

So I am at the Aces WNBA game, right? Bob Arum is 94 years old 94 it's at nine o'clock at night he's sitting over there on court side i'm like holy shit bob arum is here this is crazy this guy's 94 years old no i didn't he wouldn't have seen it anyway but he's sitting over there it's 8 30 i i shit you not two days later i'm watching a fight bob arum is in saudi arabia ringside at a boxing event two days later he's in london at a press conference he's 94 years old i hate him but you gotta respect it right how do you not respect that no but you said i i would have but then you said he was at a wnba game yeah and that kind of wrecked were you were you watching that on tv because you weren't no i i got i got court side seats at the

las vegas aces absolutely kelsey plum is one of my good friends and i go there and i support her not as much as possible not Not at all. No way. Love it. Love it. I'm an NBA fan. I'm an NBA fan. I know, it's WNBA. Yeah.

I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. Dana White, thank you. Pleasure. Thanks for having me. It's great to see you, man. You too.