The Tucker Carlson Show - Ed Martin on Dan Bongino vs. DOJ, and Republicans in Congress Secretly Plotting Against Trump

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

Ed Martin was on his way to cleaning up Washington as the new U.S. Attorney, until Senate Republicans decided he was too sincere and killed his nomination. (00:00) Ed Martin’s Response to the Crazed Leftist Who Spit in His Face (07:21) Why Would Republican Senator Thom Tillis Want to Destroy Martin? (09:33) Tillis’s Mission to Lock Up January 6th Protestors (18:14) The DOJ Is a Much Bigger Mess Than People Realize (35:12) Crime and Homelessness in DC (45:26) DC’s Absurd Gun Control Policy Paid partnerships with: Hillsdale College: Take a free online course today at https://TuckerforHillsdale.com Eight Sleep: Get $350 off the new Pod 5 Ultra at https://EightSleep.com/Tucker iTrust Capital: Get $100 funding bonus at https://www.iTrustCapital.com/Tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Screeching, screeching, screeching, swearing, and then spitting. That suggests that your mere physical presence evokes an emotional response. DOJ is a bigger mess even than some conspiracy-minded people on the outside like me imagine. Some people would say, what's Dan doing, Bungie? He's going hammer and tongs at this stuff right here. The scope is bigger and it is therefore much, much worse than people think. Why would Tom Tillis be the instrument of your destruction? He railed on J6. He said, how could you represent J6 people? How stupid do people have to be to go into the Capitol and blah, blah, blah. The Republican Party tells you they're one thing, but they're actually another thing. Right now it's Trump's

party. It's just that some of the elites don't want to let go. Exactly. You want your kid to go to Georgetown? Oh, it goes to Georgetown. It's way more than that. People just have no idea. The CIA small arms training facility was on their campus. It's an arm of the deepest of the deep state. Way worse than Harvard, actually, I think. Thank you for doing this. So, I'm laughing. I saw a very angry young woman spit in your face on camera two days ago. That suggests that your mere physical presence evokes an emotional response. Why?

DC is in trouble. I'm from there. I can vouch for that. You are going to fix it. What exactly do you think, from your perspective, was the resistance to you? Well, first, I'd like to point out, Tucker, because I've been accused of having a signature piece of clothing now, like in the old days, the bow tie, you know, the jacket that I wear, the sort of raincoat. Yeah. The New York Times called it my signature. Well, I get it. It was very effective because the spit went on the raincoat. It was able to be cleaned up. It's very old school Watergate, by the way. Columbo. I'm going Columbo, not as my kids said, Inspector Gadget. I thought that was degrading. And I've indicted all three of the four of them now. All right. So look, I did the job. President

Trump gave me this incredible privilege. Usually a U.S. attorney is nominated, and then they get confirmed, and then they come into office, right? So it's usually like October, and you finally get somebody in office. And that whole time you have the Sally Yates problem. Remember Sally Yates who was acting? He had some acting person that's either undermining you or is not totally into the job. Exactly. Okay. So I said to the president a while ago, if you want me to do this job, can I have it on day one?

And he agreed and he put me on day one. And so day one, we started swinging right away at all the things that we needed to swing at, right? First of all, day one, we had the pardons, 1,600 pardons. Day two or three, we had two pardons of cops. Day three or four, we had all the FACE Act pardons. It was a busy first week. But more importantly, as we were talking about off air, I started swinging. We started actually going for it.

We said, okay, we're going to weaponization. Chuck Schumer's a bully. And we went at this fight hammer and tongs, and everybody noticed. Everybody noticed. Chuck Schumer noticed. Dick Durbin starts firing off letters of complaint, all kinds of things. And that's how you're supposed to do the job. I wish it was consistent with the president's mandate since he was just elected by the majority of voters. Exactly. Right. It's called democracy. It's called democracy. And he actually put some, you know, he put he signed orders. He signed what he gave us the direction he wanted us to do. Executive orders said, stop the weaponization, go look at this.

And then, by the way, Attorney General Bondi got in. She gave us an even more specific list. Right. So but more importantly, Tucker, if it was 100 years ago, maybe, you could just be genteel and prosecute the cases as they came along, right? You could sit around and say sooner or later it'll all work out. It's not 100 years ago. And the fight right now is a fight over everything from information to accountability to healing, right? So that's the fight. And U.S. attorney is on the front lines in Washington, D.C. when they're going after Elon Musk or Judge Boasberg. They went after both. And I gave both of them a letter that said, hey, I got your back. If you even threaten these people in a way that goes over the line, we're going to we're going to indict you. guys the mob threatened my prosecutors the mob threatened boesberg and i said any of these things we're going to put a stop to it so but what happens is i'm i know i've not been able to try

this out i'll try to see if you like it the schumer smear schumer was so mad that i got into office and i said hold on a second you're not allowed to say the whirlwind is coming for gorsuch and cavanaugh and then a month later cavanaugh's got a guy with zip ties and a gun. Remember this? This is this. Very well. And so I said, hold on. The statute of limitations is coming five years. I'm going to investigate this and I'm going to ask Chuck Schumer, what did you mean? You cannot mean that you're allowed to stand and threaten justices. Right. And so I put that out. He refused to answer. He said it's offensive, all that stuff. And then he went on a jihad inside the Senate. He got opposition research and he went member to member and said, this guy, Martin,

you can't vote for him. This guy, Martin, you can't. And so it's the Schumer smear. Then they call me names in the Washington Post. The Washington Post bid something they've never done before, Tucker. Underneath the line, Spencer Hsu, he put a thing that said, if you have any tips on Martin, send them to us. They've never done before it's like we want to get martin send us the tips i sent i sent a letter to bezos i said hey i'm not sure this is how the newspaper is supposed to run he hasn't responded yet but my point is president trump said fight for the future of the country and that fight can't be trapped in the Article 3 gentility of 100 years ago. It's the fight we got right now. And that's what we're doing. So I think they hated me. And this

woman came up to me screeching in a way. I mean, she can't know me. She didn't know me. I never met her. Screeching, screeching, screeching, swearing, and then spitting. I don't know. Who was she? What happened to her? Well, they've identified her. And I guess they've, I don't know if they've picked her up yet, but they know exactly who it is and all that. And so, as you might imagine, I'm not involved in the case because, you know, I'm the victim in this case, so it's got to be processed. But I think that, you know, marshals and FBI were right on it, and they've got it figured

out. So you think the genesis of the opposition was your request to Chuck Schumer that he answer questions about encouraging violence against the Supreme Court justice? Well, I think that the role I played is epitomized by that, right? Public and willing to fight for the right things. And Schumer certainly took it to heart and made a big deal out of it. And then they just made me into somebody who's, the Washington Post had me on the front page of A1 or B1 every day for three or four weeks. Wild. A U.S. attorney. Dick Durbin sent me 561 questions. District court judges don't get that

many. No U.S. attorney's ever gotten that many. Question after question, accusing me of this and that and the other thing so they obviously knew uh they didn't like something about what i was doing and the public picks up on it right and they worried what you would do well that's i think that's fair so um the u.s attorney needs senate confirmation um democrats control the senate by a huge margin is that correct that's something like that yeah oh no that's not true yeah no no that's that's not quite true no look i would have won on the floor but the judiciary committee tillis tillis tom tillis decided to block it in the judiciary committee democrat from california yeah well something like that oh no republican from north carolina right right so why would tom tillis um who was elected

in maybe 2012 14 something like something like that-ish. But a lot of money spent on that campaign. A lot of Republicans mobilized to get that guy elected in a swing state even then. And a lot of hope residing in Tom Tillis. Why would Tom Tillis be the instrument of your destruction? Well, look, I think, you know, I got to say, the Senate's got to process, respect the process, all that stuff, right? So check the box. I did that with you.

So I met with the guy for 90 minutes. You know, by the way, for about a decade, I've done work when Phyllis Schlafly, the late Phyllis Schlafly, from whom I worked, one of the things she cared a lot about was patents and protecting individual patent holders and inventors. So for years, we've had patent events. One of the participants in the patent events is Tom Tillis all the time because he's good on that issue and we would work with him. So not a stranger in terms of policy stuff to me. So when I met with him, 90 minutes, he railed on J6. He said, how could you represent J6 people? How stupid do people have to be to go into the Capitol and blah, blah, blah? And I said, sir, you know, look, I've looked at this closely. It feels like you're not quite paying attention to what happened, right? That's correct. And look, here's the thing.

You know, Tucker, this is what I mean by this is the fight we're in, this fight for the future of our country. Millions of Americans fall victim to the hoaxes, one after another. And if you fall victim to the J6 hoax, that it was an insurrection armed and this close to the end, then you might act like Tom Tillis, and you might rant and rave and say things like that, and that's what he did. But I think if you're not under the spell of the hoax, you say, wait a second, lots of people were waved into the Capitol. And maybe you could charge them with trespass, but you can't throw them in jail for three years, four years, three and a half years, right? And then the Supreme Court, bipartisan Supreme Court, throws out

the charge that was used. It's called the 1512 charge. When I got in my office as U.S. attorney, I said, first week, we're going to look at the 1512. Who charged it? And of course, it was charged by Merrick Garland and Lisa Monaco right across it wasn't it wasn't the guy in my chair he's he was an empty suit there to just you know carry water as they went right DOJ directly all the way right up right up of course I mean look 1512 is an Andrew Weissman creation right this was Andrew Weissman advocated for 1512 charge who's Andrew Weissman in the muller investigation and the muller invest andrew weissman's one of these lawyers who is at nyu right now he goes in and out of government

and he's basically at the center there's about six or seven of these people that are at the center of coordinating the weaponization of government against the people right now and yes every time you turn around you know i love i'll give it to you the guy that was the prosecutor in kosovo before jack smith you know a prosecutor, forget his name right now. He left so Jack Smith could come in. Where'd he go? One guess, NYU to Andrew Weissman's shop. Perfect.

So when you watch Andrew Weissman's at Mueller, he says in Mueller, we need 1512. We can charge Trump in the, watch this. We can use 1512. We're making it up, but we can get away with it if we build it out this way and just get everybody to go along. He fails at that, Mueller, you know, Barr says, and Jeff Jensen, no, Barr says, you can't do that, right? You can't do, we're not going to do that, shuts it down. And then along comes Andrew Weissman, Lisa Monaco, all these same people.

They say, charge the 1512. Tucker, the 1512 charge, right? Your viewers may not track it well enough, but 1512 was an addition to the law about 20 years ago after Enron. Because Arthur Anderson, the accounting firm, was destroying documents. Enron was the target of the investigation. Arthur Anderson was destroying documents, wasn't the target. And there was no law to say, if you knew there was an investigation, you shouldn't destroy documents. So they passed this law, okay, 1512. It said, if you know there's an official proceeding, you're not allowed to destroy documents, okay? You got it? Yeah. Okay, that's it. All these years later, Weissman is saying,

we'll use obstruction of official proceeding. We'll expand official proceeding. We'll call it, oh yeah, we'll call it the electoral college count and we'll go after everybody. But first, before we go for Trump, let's drag a couple of hundred people into jail. We'll make them plead guilty. We'll try them with a bad jury. We'll make the judges roll along and we'll make sure we put them in one after another. We'll say, see, 15-12, it's a good charge. Judges went for it. Everybody went for it. And then we'll get Trump. And one judge said no. Then it went up to the Supreme Court and the bipartisan Supreme Court said, hell no, and threw it all out. So we watched American citizens rotting

in jail for years for walking through the Capitol and 1512. And that's why- And Tillis is okay with that. Well, Tillis is saying, oh my gosh, he said anyone who's dumb enough to go into the Capitol should be charged with everything under the sun. I said, well, if a cop opens the door and you walk in and you walk out, you're going to charge him? And anyway, so. What did he say when you asked that? Well, he said, you know. Because that's about what I, that's almost what I was about to say.

Yeah. That we now have videotaped Jake Chansley, for example, a QAnon shaman, led into the Senate chamber by a cop. Right. Wanders around and then leaves and then goes to prison. Right. I don't understand. And I want to be charitable to Tom Tillis, who is obviously very liberal. And there are things about him I don't like.

But I want to be fair. But I don't understand how he couldn't know that. It was an insight into the mind of people that are trapped in that understanding and you know like i the other thing they all said to me is oh you must like people that hit cops because you defended people that hit cops who said that well everybody the new york the washington post all these people because your lawyers are supposed to defend you know we defend the sort of worst of the worst always that's the system people who've been charged with crimes yeah exactly isn't that the way it works isn't that the way it works? Isn't that the way it works?

But I said, so I say, look, nobody's for hitting cops, right? Nobody's for hitting cops. My office, my predecessor, did not charge cops, did not charge assaults on police officers because they're only misdemeanors in the stupid DC laws. And I said, new law, new rule, touch a cop, get in charged with assault, right? So stipulate, we're all against hitting cops after that what happened on january 6th forget about even the day of it watch what happens liz cheney and benny thompson run 50 million dollar you know misinformation campaign to tell the world this is what was going on and and that's what tom tillis is believing i guess and meanwhile the rest that's

like msnbc level lying it's like transparent it was an armed insurrection police officers were killed none of that is true yeah uh right and i look i'm we're i'm past it now except to say this the weaponization of government against the people is what we see over and over and over again and when the leaders either acquiesce to it or fall for the hoax of it we see it over and over and over again whether you pick a fisa court you know we just watch this over and over and you don't have time to say was your was your heart in it was your are you lying it's just you're willing to buy into that worldview it's destroying the country can i ask you one i couldn't agree more can i ask one

last question did any member of the u.s senate or member of congress suggest like how many federal agents were in the crowd that day they none of them seem interested in that yeah that seems like a baseline question i did any members of the senate i mean in my in my um probably not in the conversations i had but i but that you do bring us to does anyone care well you bring us to a point where as i started this out is uh we're in a fight for about information right and we're told get over it and move on it's like the 2020 election yeah the people say to me they say i was a stop the steal organizer well i ran the election board in st louis back in st

louis you know i ran the election board i know how elections work the 2020 election there were lots of things that were really off base that's why i've always said it i maintain today doesn't mean i haven't proved that that doesn't mean that i've proven the election was stolen no but i know those things that were off well you weren't allowed to say that remember you're not even allowed to say that out loud and you're not even allowed to say that out loud and you go forward. And so they say, oh, you were stopped to steal. So I said, wait, isn't that the system we're supposed to have? And we keep seeing information, government weaponized to stop information flow. And most of us move on, right? You move on to the

next thing because the way the world is moving. And one of the things this effort to do to focus on weaponization is to get the truth out. So to your point, we still don't know the answer to that. We do not know how many agents, how can we not know? I mean, I'm going to get it out or I'm going to die trying. Pipe bomber. As a prosecutor, I've got the pipe bomber case in my office the fbi bongino said the fbi change all the agents everybody look at it again it's been going on for about five weeks it's like uh keystone cops you know they didn't interview some of the people that were that you would have said um that might be a suspect they hadn't interviewed him i mean so the question becomes what's happening here

is it incompetence it feels worse than incompetence right and so um that information does it does what do you think well i think um i think it's worse than incompetence and and i think um but i think the only way forward is to not describe what i think of the motives but to expose over and over again what's happened. If you expose what's happened and the truth gets out, then accountability is possible. If you don't expose what's happened, the accountability looks like targeting, right? So you got to do this one to get to this one. And the other side just does this. And then they count on the media to tell us it's okay. We have to do this and this. And that's my answer to some people that say, what's Dan doing, Bungie? You know,

I talk to him every week or so. He's going hammer and tongs at this stuff right here. You can't arrest everybody the first month, but you got to get this going. And it's a challenge, but I'm glad people are holding us, you know, pushing everybody. It's good, but it's harder than it looks. It really is. I believe that. My informed, well-informed sense is that DOJ is a bigger mess even than some conspiracy-minded people on the outside like me imagine it is. Like, I think it's actually a mess. Is that? I would say that, look, I worked for the Catholic Church, right? I worked for the Catholic Church. I'm pretty attuned to bureaucracies, right? And I've seen the scope of them and see the institutional inertia, like the momentum that they get. And I think my office was, my U.S. Attorney's office was about this big, Tucker, and it took me 120 days to get this much of my arms, you know, wrapped around this much,

because this is how big it was. You know, cash's job is this big, doj is this big and the presence is so big yeah so my answer is the scope is bigger and uh and it is therefore much much worse than people think and i just think it's a it's a and and by the way one of the reasons i say information is so key you can't we can't win the article 3 battle fast enough We can fight it and we can eventually win lots of them. You can't win it fast enough to get the progress we need in terms of our, so you've got to be doing the information. For people watching, what's the Article III battle? Yeah, the Article III means like the federal courts.

We're in federal courts. The president says you can't let people come into the country and then the courts say nationwide injunction and you know, you're not allowed to do that. And you're constantly in court. You know, the U.S. Attorney's Office for D.C. has all of the cases of when they when the government is sued in the present suits. They all come into our office on the civil side. And so you see all that stuff coming in, you know, in in the during the Biden administration, the conservatives were suing in Texas. It was friendlier judges. Now it's in D.C. So you're in the courts fighting to get the truth out, fighting to make these things prosecutions and all. But they take a longer time than just getting the word out, right, getting the information out. I just I feel like it's a different moment in history. And that's how I was U.S. attorney. That's why you saw people saw so much outfacing action because I wasn't just looking at courts.

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Can you go back? And I'm sorry, I've gone far afield as usual with me. But so you have to be, you're nominated by the president to be US attorney in DC. It has to go through the Senate. You offend Chuck Schumer by asking inconvenient questions. He sends out the word, destroy this man. That process begins.

And then in the end, it was Tom Tillis because the Republican, joking aside, party does control the Senate, supposedly, who killed it. How do you account for that? This is like a central job for those who are not paying attention. If you're going to drain the swamp, if you're going to end the weaponization of the legal system, if you're going to make good on all the promises the president made while campaigning, you need to fill this job with a capable person. And Tom Tillis winds up torpedoing you? Well, you know, I worked for Phyllis Schlafly. Yep. Right.

And so when she wrote A Choice Not an Echo in 1964 and all the way through her career and then the last 10 years of her life when I worked with her, you just, you come to know about the party, right? The Republican Party is probably more problematic in certain ways than the Democrat Party is obvious opponents, right? So when Phyllis writes about 1964, what they did to, you know, Goldwater at that fight, or she writes in, she wrote about 1980 when they, you know, forced H.W. Bush on Reagan. I mean, she wrote about, but she also wrote about, by the way, about the Bilderbergs. She's the first one to use the word Bilderbergs about the globalists when they were meeting. But Phyllis would say, you know, and Todd, look, she backed Trump early. And it basically, well, it caused a rift in her family. One of her children was a cruise person, was against her.

It caused a rift in her organization. And I remember asking her, I'm like, kind of seriously, is this worth it? She said, of course it's worth it. She said, you know, this is, and so that was on our side. That was on the sort of conservative side. So I'm not surprised by any of it. I was on the RNC when they did the autopsy. Remember?

You know, Romney does. Very well. Romney loses, and they spend nine or ten million dollars and the same people got paid go back and look who got paid nine million dollars for the autopsy on the republican party and it said speak in spanish and don't talk about social issues and we're just going to win everything and they and they made the mistake they asked me a microphone in my first meeting of the rnc what do you think of that and i said what do you think of your report and i said it's it's not my report. I didn't go for that. That's crazy. Then we'll

lose every election. So the Republican Party has always been that way. It's just better than the other one. And the question is right now. Well, it's better in some way. I mean, I've never, you know, I don't vote Democrats because I'm pro-life, so I'm not going to vote for pro-choice, period. So that's, and I think there are a lot of Republican voters who feel that way. Right. So the Democratic Party is just off the table for me, but I'm not sure the Republican Party is better because I think it's more deceptive. Democratic Party is like, yeah, we're the tranny illegal alien party. Okay. That's who you are. I find that repugnant, but the Republican Party tells you they're one thing, but they're actually another thing. That's what bothers me. Well, no, I thought, yeah, well, it's the same thing Phyllis talked about, you know, back in the day, it was the establishment on the Eastern establishment,

Eastern elites who were trying to control the party and did a lot. Look, right now it's Trump's party. It's just that some of the elites don't want to let go. Exactly. And so the question is, will they be able to hold on? And when you heard the president say, he didn't say Ed wouldn't get confirmed.

He said, that's not worth the fight right now. We got other things to do. And, you know, we knew we'd get somebody good in that spot, to your point. And we knew there's a place for me to play a role. So, you know, I but the Republican Party is Trump's party. It's just some people aren't ready for it. So it's really it's not left versus right, moderate versus conservative, populist versus globalist. It's really reform versus corrupt. I mean, i think there's massive corruption in the u.s government in our system yeah more broadly trump was elected on the promise

of cleaning it up you were his instrument to do that so i think it's fair to say people who oppose that are against reform well i if i can i'd say two things about it one thing i think as we you've talked about before in lots of issues president Trump represents a different view of America first is the way it's characterized but this notion of of believing in ourselves our citizens more than other things including wars and globalists and all that I think that I think that's a big pivot and and people feel that as voters obviously did but I will agree with you on this um the corruption is not one party I mean trust me i'm the prosecutor oh i know it's not one party you know that but i'm your viewers it's not one party um when you see uh 6.7 billion dollars transferred from the epa uh to an organization set up uh a year before set up by

the same leftists left-leaning democrats supporting folks that ran the housing tax credit boondoggle from the 90s it It's the same people, 6.7 billion. When you see that transfer of money, this is not one party. Both parties are at the trough. And the question is, who gives us the best chance to try to take this country back and to fight for it? And it's clearly been Trump, but it's an everyday battle. What other Republican senators opposed your nomination? Well, it's funny. As soon And what are the Republican senators opposed to your nomination? Well, it's funny. As soon as Tillis blocked it, then a guy like Senator Cornyn said, I'm for him. We weren't sure until then. And then I think Collins said, I'm looking at it. I'm thinking about it. So I will say that all Collins says she was thinking, well, we know that's not true.

Well, I, well, actually I had an issue up here. You know, the U.S. attorney has so much interesting role for D.C. The D.C. U.S. attorney. I went to the DEA and I said, hey, guys, what are we not doing? I would go to all these law enforcement and say, what is somebody not doing that I could do to help you guys? And the DEA guy said, we got all these marijuana farms in Maine. Chinese drug cartels control Maine. In Maine. And so they said, we can't get it under control.

And the U.S. attorney up there won't do anything. And I said, I'll take it. I'll take the cases. I said, let's figure it out. So I wrote a letter to the Maine governor and I said, what are you doing about these pod farms that the Chinese are running? You know, we got to take a look at this because, you know, it's impacting what's going on. And so nothing's progressed yet. But she had some milquetoast response about something. But now we're looking into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, you know, when you look close, it's a disaster. And she and her administration is really not just looking the other way. They're allowing chaos in this state.

Well, her brother is benefiting. Yeah, it's probably the most corrupt state outside of New Jersey out of 50. So, but were there any other senators who went on the record? No, no, they were doing a dance. Look, I mean, McConnell is, in fact, McConnell's staff was talking to me about pitching him on the, they weren't a no, a hard no at the beginning. But at that level, in that process, they're all playing a game, right? Until they have to, look, Senator Hawley, I'm from Missouri. Senator Hawley said, if you get to the floor, you'll definitely get the votes.

Yeah, they're afraid to vote against you. Right. But he said there are going to be all kinds of machinations beforehand. So, to your point, I don't know if Senator Tillis was taking one for the team, if he was, you know, killing me to help other people or what, but he was the obvious one that decided. To the extent you know, what do you think the real issue was? Why wouldn't Republican senators form a blue line in support of you? Like, what was it that made them? 9-11, you said?

I mean, rather 9-11. January 6th. January 6th. I would say that a number of times it was clear that I was not going to be sort of controllable, that I was going to do exactly what I thought and what the president let me loose to do. And I think that that's for the, for the, you know, the sort of ruling class, that's the wildest of wild cards. And so a prosecutor who's willing to do that, not controlled by corrupt

interests. Yeah, that's the scariest thing there is. Right. So, you know, yeah, but I don't really know. I mean, I, you know, I would have bet that I would have gotten through because President Trump wanted me. So, you know, it's hard to know. I thought some of the other guys that got confirmed had a lot more checkered past, but I don't know. But it's not about that. Yeah. Of course, it's never the liars who get in trouble. It's the truth tellers who are the threat, of course. Maybe.

For sure. Okay, I don't know. For sure. They don't care if you lie. They lie. They love lies. Their father is the father of lies. But you are staying on in the administration.

Yes. I mean, it's, I hate to say I got a promotion. I don't want to be too Pollyannish, but I kind of got a promotion. I mean, U.S. Attorney's Office, to be clear, it's the greatest prosecutor's office in the world, really. It's got all of the city level crime. It's like a DA. It's a great DA office. And then a huge U.S. attorney's office with cases all over the world and all sorts of complicated, interesting stuff and a huge docket. I can get to all USAID, all the USAID falls within us. So when you see the fraud that's going on in Europe and this is all stuff that the U.S. attorney and trust me, the U.S. attorney is already looking at it. And you can look at this stuff and say, because of the jurisdiction. So, but it's a big office with a lot of bureaucracy. And so what I basically, my new job is focused on weaponization. The docket is the whole world and the country to say, where have they done wrong? And how do we go and get to the bottom of it? And so, look, I'm the president.

It's a key moment. It's a key moment. The president trusts me to do this. And so, and Pam Bondi has been great about directing us on this so i'm excited to go over there and and and fight it's amazing that someone in dc so anyone who lives in dc knows that the city is mismanaged by muriel bowser the mayor but it it's also kind of falling apart the real estate market has collapsed because of covid but also because of crime yep and like they need law enforcement in d. and they don't really have it.

And yet this woman was so mad at you that she spit on you. It just tells you the power of the propaganda that Schumer unleashed. That's right. Well, I want to brag for a minute. We shifted a lot of our resources to fight crime. You know, you know this, but 720,000 people live in D.C. Yeah. 650,000 live in poverty and a tough setup.

For sure. And frankly, they've been getting stuck by both parties forever, right? Oh, of course. So you walk down the street in Anacostia and you're like, I went to do an interview in Anacostia and we pulled up and there's an ambulance and all. And I said, what is that? And they said, somebody was shot there, laying there. And we went in to do the interview. It was like, oh yeah, so he's not going to die. He's going to be fine. So what we did was we turned all of our resources on that side to getting rid of the guys with guns,

the bad guys with guns. And we dragged them to federal court. Now that sounds like it's not that revolutionary, but you start to get in March, we got 18 and April 24 arrested, arrested with guns and off the streets for 700,000 people. What they mostly need to know is somebody's trying to help them make it better. Right. And trying to make life better. And crime is down 25% and the basics are going the right direction. So, but no, no, that's that woman screeching at me and spitting on me was that's a fruit of the environment that says, make anyone who's doing something important into someone toxic and we'll get people to be agitated uh and it works it works oh works

completely the only problem is our side meaning i think god-fearing americans need to understand i just told you we've got to get the truth out you can't sit back and say we're right that doesn't matter no your neighbor is still being inundated by the washington post right they're still being told by the washington post that somehow it's problematic that i was on rt i did interviews on rt and that oh this is the end of the world well i mean swalwell's kind of you went on rt i went on rt i did interviews on rt did you have a uh did you have sex with the chinese communist spy i'm just gonna say to say, no, I did not. I wanted to make clear that. Sorry to ask you personal questions.

I wanted to make clear that. But my point is that- I loved RT. RT was a great channel. I didn't agree with everything, but I don't know what- I've only been told- Going on RT, or were you the news director? You were just a guest?

I've only been told what to say on one network, and that was the communist CNN. They told me I had to say that. But my point is, to your point, we can't rely on the truth. We are right. We have to, though, and this is where I think there's responsibility in government, we have to expose the truth. We have to expose it.

And if they're not shamed, at least Andrew Weissman can hear his name. Andrew Weissman is truly one of the most despicable figures in modern American life. Mary McCord, Georgetown University. I got in a fight with Georgetown. You know, Georgetown University is mad at me. Filthy, filthy organization. I wrote Georgetown Law and I said to the dean, we're not going to hire your people either for jobs or internships because you're doing DEI after the president said stop.

Yes. He wrote back and lectured me on Jesuit ideals, Jesuit ideals and freedom. Now he went to Yale and Harvard. I don't think those are religious, but I went to, you know, Holy Cross, slightly Jesuit the whole time, St. Louis U, Jesuit, on and on and on. And he lectured me, but here's what, here's what happened quickly. Was he a Jesuit? No, no, of course not. He said he's not even Catholic. Well, maybe he's Catholic. I don't know, but he's lecturing me and bar complaints are coming in from people saying georgetown is great all i'm saying is this sounds disgusting well sorry but more importantly you talk about weaponizing government you got this rosa brooks mary mccord these are the people coming out of

obama land and they're taking the transition integrity project. Remember this, the transition integrity project. And they're saying, how would we do an American color revolution, right? How would we do that? And they're laying it out. Remember game planning, they were doing this tabletop and they're looking at and participating are all kinds of Americans with security clearances and, you know, military background and terrifying. And we're supposed to sit here and say, oh, isn't this great? You guys do all of that. And we're supposed to sit here and say, oh, isn't this great? You guys do all of that and we say nothing. And meanwhile, you get hundreds of millions of dollars in American tax dollars to do it to us.

So I asked them a question, they got upset. But the point here is- And Rosa, I know Rosa Brooks well, she did that out of Georgetown. Of course, that's what I'm saying. It's an institute still, she's still doing it. Georgetown is, I mean, it's had really unhealthy relationships with the U.S. government for many, many decades. I mean, the CIA small arms training facility was on their campus.

I know that for a fact because I know someone who trained there. Like, they have been, Georgetown is one of those things. It's not a private institution. It's an arm of the deepest of the deep state. And, like, they're scary. And they're supported by U.S. tax dollars. Like, it's not a college. Like, you want your kid to go to Georgetown.

Oh, he goes to Georgetown. Go Hoyas. It's way more than that. People just have no idea. Well, and my point to you is, I agree. And we have to name it. Yes. It's not enough to us to know.

We have to say Mary McCord and Rosa Brooks at Georgetown Law. What they're doing is destructive to the country and people should know it. They're planning insurrection, actually. They speak of it. I know, using U.S. tax dollars and all these, you know, nice sort of well-meaning Irish Catholic alums around the country who like don't agree with anything that Rosa Brooks says are sending them money and sending their kids there because the veneer, the skin suit still lives. Georgetown. Papu Cana went to Georgetown. Okay.

It's the fakest place in the United States. Way worse than Harvard, actually, I think. Sorry. But fake would be bad enough. It's destructive. It's sinister. It's destructive it's sinister oh i agree destructive and and and again until you until we have the if you think it's a debate if we if it's a debating moment then you're in one

spot if you think it's a battle for the future of the country and the world oh yeah then you're in a different moment and and that and that's how i look at what we're what we're seeing going on and that's why i think some people probably realized he knows how this goes a little more and and and so they didn't want me in that spot, but I got another spot. So it'll work out. It's just so revealing. I'll just say it one last time because I can't control myself

that you were torpedoed by supposedly conservative Republicans. I gave a speech on Tom Tillis' behalf when he ran for the first time for Senate. And I sort of think that like you're getting one thing, but almost 100% of the time, the person winds up to be John Cornyn or, you know, like a super aggressive liberal posing as a conservative Republican.

It's so weird. Do you understand the mindset there? No, I, you know, my wife, who's like you, smarter than me. And so she said the other day, why can't we go back to term limits? You know, I mean, it's this instinct. Kind of something there's something about when they're in in for a while they seem to have figured out for they think they figured out what's better for everyone i i don't really know look i one of the problems i hate is i know you do is tell just tell me the truth to my face if this is what you're doing well that's what i respect about tillis at least he lectured you in

private that's right he did and i like any unloaded on me in private well good i mean good i mean yeah i disagree i think a lot of things i've already expressed them but i admire that yeah so um but i don't know what gets the the well i do know the system is so powerful and so yes so alluring and seductive that after a while uh you know i think it's inevitable that even good people are are tempted to a worldview that's not as good, even if they're not tempted to pure straight on corruption. So it is a problem. There's just so much money. That's right. That's it.

It's not power, right? It's money. It's all money. It's money. That's exactly right. So just quickly, I mean, I'm interested as a former resident, longtime resident about the city of Washington, over which you would have had jurisdiction as a chief law enforcement officer. Because it's not a state, but it's a federal zone. It's super complicated, set up in D.C.

But what were you starting to do to make the city safer and more orderly and what needs to be done? Well, this is really important. And I hope I was actually. Nobody cares because it's a majority black city, by the way. It's like all the liberals who are like, oh, I love black people. They just don't care. Yeah, they don't seem to.

I agree with you. They don't. All right. So there's a couple of things. One is, and I was just telling Judge Jeanine Pirro. She's really kind of... I should have said the headline, which is... Yeah, she's kind of into it.

She's kind of, she's really into it. And she's asking me all these questions and I'm thinking, ah, she was a former judge. She's the nominee now. Yeah, she's going to be, well, she's going to come in and serve like I did. She's going to serve right away. So she's kind of into it. She's really into it, and she's asking me all these questions, and I'm thinking, ah, she was a former judge. She's the nominee now. Yeah, she's going to be. Well, she's going to come in and serve like I did. She's going to serve right away. So she's not waiting, and that's very cool.

But I'm a fan of that because why have this inter? So D.C. is awesome. I mean, it's an awesome place. As you know, history on every corner, you know, the background of everybody. I did these ride-alongs with detectives, and I'd still go every corner of the place and you see all these different things and and uh and the people people are people right of course they want what they want more for their kids and more for themselves and uh um i lived i'm from st louis and in st louis always lived in the city uh itself and it feels the same way um a couple things one is the violent crime right the the guns guns are, because Virginia's hard on guns

and Maryland and D.C. are soft, then you can get away with having guns. Misuse of guns. Misuse of guns, right. So all sorts of people with all sorts of guns. Can I ask though, just so D.C. and Maryland

have a lot of gun control. Correct. But when criminals use guns, they're more tolerant. That's of course. Virginia has less gun control, but it's tougher on the illegal. What is that?

Well, I mean, that's the whole thing, right? That's the game. You can barely get your concealed carry in D.C. It takes months and months and months. I got one. I know. It takes forever, though. You probably—I brought somebody in the other day. I said, tell me how the concealed carry process is going.

They said it takes six months to get an appointment to even get your stuff. I can get you one immediately. Can I say one thing about D.C.? Which is why it's a great city. When you live in D.C., it was there most of my life, you're mad because it's so inefficient. It's totally third world

in the way it's run. And then you finally realize, like, wait a second, if I just play along, grease a palm or two, call the right people, show respect, you know, Mr. and Mrs. always.

Stuff like that, like, life is easy in D.C. Yeah, well. It's like living... Not for normal people, show respect. You know, Mr. and Mrs. always. Stuff like that. Like, life is easy in D.C. Yeah, well. It's like living. Not for normal people, not for regular people. No, but like for people. No, it's not even about, it's like, you know, like why would I, my kids don't have driver's licenses. So I could go through the whole rigmarole or I could just pay someone 400 bucks to get them a driver's license.

And you can, boom, get a driver's license. All right, well, that's good. Okay. I don't know what to say to that. It's so corrupt. Let me go back back let me go back to what they need they need they need they need to stay focused on the violence right so the violence is guns and and uh you know look cash has given us support to try to do some cold case stuff the fbi has has the ability to do more dna testing to try to get you know a lot of cold case stuff is DNA. And if you can go back and look at stuff, rapes especially, and you can do, so there's lots you can do.

So there was a DNC employee shot to death in 2016 in Washington, but not robbed. And we're not like allowed to talk about or even mention his name. So I won't mention his name, but people I know who worked at the DNC, one person at the time believed that he, there was a political killing, that he was murdered for political reasons. Will that case be looked at, do you think? Well, I got briefed on it. It's now a while ago, time-wise, but there's not a statute of limitations on it, but it's cold. To your point, it's a cold case. There's not, there's not. Do you think there's any evidence that that was an assassination, not a robbery? Well, there's evidence that there was a killing in such a way that yeah i mean that you could say you can't know sort of why the

killing happened right so weird right it was weird yeah yeah so that guy was killed and in dc but mpd was taken off the case and fbi took over right why i don't know the answer it's a good question kind of weird though right how many days do i have left on the job? I'll go find out. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Things I should have asked. But the one I want to tell you about, this is important because you're going to see it nationwide this summer. And that's the problem of juveniles. In all these cities where you have Democrats and liberals in charge, they're soft on juveniles.

So the juveniles get away with crimes and tougher and tougher, harder and harder crimes. Carjackings. Carjackings. Carjackings, you know, and worse. And so if that's the system, it's happened over and over now. And of course, the community that they are in has a lot of, you know, the schools are bad. There are not a lot of role models, right? Life is not in a good spot. And you churn this.

You've got this situation. I said to someone, there was an incident down at the Navy Pier, Navy Yard, where someone was, a bunch of kids, juveniles come in these gangs. And they steal wallets and they get around people. And I said to a friend of mine, he said, oh, yeah, the Navy Pier is like that. And I said, what are you talking about? It's Navy Yard. He said, the same thing happens in Chicago. In other words, every urban city has this problem of juveniles.

And the reason why is because we continue to send them back and to keep them in this system that's just so broken. But you can't shoot them when they come up to you and do this. No, no, of course. That's right. Exactly. No, it's a disaster. You can't defend yourself. Right. It's a disaster. But I think one of the things that that juvenile question is one that D.C. has to face because it's really and the older kids, if it were if they were girls, they'd be calling it trafficking because the older boys are trafficking the younger boys because they know they won't get into trouble the same way because they're underage. So that part of it is a disaster. And that falls right on the D.C. City Council and the mayor and the current administration there that hasn't taken it seriously because you just need to lock them up. You need to get them out of D.C., put them in someplace.

You could pay to put them in another reform school or whatever to get him out of town. Instead, they let him loose. They don't detain him. Congress could fix that in a day. It could. Because they have constitutional authority over the district. If they wanted to.

And Newt, for whatever you think of Newt Gingrich, when he took over in 94, he took over DC and made it a much better city and created this massive renaissance. Right. That's right.

Why do you think they don't? I mean, you're asking too many questions about the Republican Party. I mean, you're right. And the president, I think, is frustrated by the dynamic. I think he wishes that there was more action in terms of taking it over,

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Because I think it's interesting. Why? So people who are for gun control tell us that guns are dangerous and bad. Okay, I disagree. I think guns are a tool. They can be misused, whatever, like a chainsaw or a steak knife. But those exact same people don't seem as concerned

when guns are used in crimes. They're only concerned when guns are like under your bed or in your gun safe. They're concerned when law-abiding people have guns, not when criminals have guns. What is that? Well, I mean, when law-abiding people have guns, not when criminals have guns. What is that? Well, I mean, part of me wants to engage in some philosophical argument with you about what they think, but I mostly think it's what you said earlier.

So this is a trend that you noticed. Yeah, they don't really care about these people. I mean, I'm the Republican. I'm the conservative. I'm supposed to not care. They say, you don't care about these people. When I get in this job, I look at it and say, poor people, mostly black and brown, are living through hell because of the policies that you have, which is to let bad guys go with guns. You and I both would agree.

Exactly. If you do something with a gun badly, then you should be incarcerated. Definitely. No problem. Because guns can kill you quickly. I wish I could say it was a philosophical thing. It's that they really don't care about these people. They don't mind letting the people suffer and letting their communities get destroyed.

And the rest of it is just window dressing. There's no other trying to read people's minds. It doesn't work. D.C. is the only significant city that Republicans could really run through the Congress and correct the U.S. attorney's job. So I feel like the only shot the city has at reform and in the last 50 years since it's had a home rule, the only time it's gotten better is when Republicans take control. And so I'd just like you to fill out a little bit like what now you're leaving, but what do you think should happen from the U.S. attorney's office in D.C.? In D.C.? Well, we started on guns and then we're going, and then we're going to switch, keeps moving towards other violent crime.

Now, the key pivot in this, again, it's down in the weeds a little bit, is to take these gun crimes and then down to rape and assault and go down even to property crimes, because you can't have CVS have everything behind lock and key, right? But the two things that we're doing

is dragging these cases to federal court because the local court is so bad. The juries are bad, the judges are bad, the system is bad. So you get them to federal court. You got a better chance to have real penalties and a bit more stability. But the problem really is going to be whether you can have the will of the judges to hold these people to the laws, right, and to put them away. But you move along that continuum every single day in terms of addressing crime. The last thing I'd say is that a lot of talk about money. You know, the mayor wants to build a stadium and all these things.

Well, they need more cops, and cops cost money. But cops also require that you be on their side, right? Remember when we were kids, being an FBI agent was a big deal. Being a cop was a big deal. Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure. And now young people don't feel drawn to those jobs, right? So it is hard to get cops. MPD is down probably, I think their ideal is 3,800 cops.

They're at about 3,300. You can say you're going to get all these crimes. You still got to go get cops. And you got to find a way to get people into the system that can be on the streets and doing it. So if you give me my wish list for D.C. to make it better in the next two or three years, it's continue to actually take real crimes and put them in federal court and then bolster the number of cops. And you can bolster the number of

cops as a U.S. attorney just by having their back, right? There's something called the Lewis list, which is what happens if you go to court and you're a cop and somebody claims you lied, they can put you on what's called the Lewis list, which is a requirement that the prosecutors tell a defendant that this guy testifying has had a problem in the past of credibility, but it's abused by the judges and the public defenders to hurt the cops. Well, I said, we're going to stick up for the cops and we're going to try to change that. So you got to stick up for the cops in lots of concrete ways that make the system work. But you've mostly just got to get after the crime systematically, not hard.

You know, Rudy and these famous prosecutors, they did one thing well. They consistently prosecuted crime. They didn't come up with social plans. They didn't come just get a crime, put him in jail, get a crime, put him in jail. Swift and certain punishment. You know, Metro just changed their rules in the district. the metro uh you know uh both the buses and the and the metro the trains that you

can get banned from the trains because once you get banned from the trains or banned from metro i can then arrest you for a different charge could be a felony for coming back in on a ban between before between before that you could go every day you could do three felonies three misdemeanors a day you could expose yourself in the morning jump a fair thing in the afternoon and and you know whatever and so metro got serious and they were changing the dynamic that's just plain getting the crimes down and focused on it and but you got to want to do it you got to want to do it every day we have to care care well that's the word the same thing. Yeah. So what other cold cases are you looking at? Well, the big one that I was interested in is the number of times you can take DNA that was left behind.

Those are a lot of sexual assault, rape and sexual assault. So those are the most obvious ones. There's some DNA cases on guns. If a weapon on a crime has some DNA on it, as the technology's gotten more sophisticated. But you can instantly go and using the databases now and technology, get a check on DNA from a lot of... Why has no one done that? Well, they are. It's a process. It takes a lot of time.

I mean, one of the things you're doing is not everybody's in the database, so you're trying to track back through. But we are doing it. I mean, that's what it is. A lot of people are in the database. A lot of people are in the database, but not everybody. I mean, and so one of the, well, and so the FBI has been good about, I don't know why they weren't doing it before, but the FBI has been great about letting us do it. And so we're, you know, we're tracking that down.

Can I ask you a question? Members of Congress, and it wasn't just Tom Tillis, I don't mean to keep beating up on poor Tom Tillis, an idiot anyway, but like all members of Congress on both sides were very threatened by J6. That's one of the reasons. You know, it was their building, not the people's house that belonged to them. And they felt like their space was invaded. They felt their security was jeopardized. I get it.

But are they concerned that there are like murders taking place within walking distance of their office? I mean, do they care about crime in dc did i even mention that well again you know uh tucker and look i think president trump is like this uh how he approaches everything and i mean that's how i wanted to serve and i do we did exactly what you're saying we said to everybody on the hill come to a briefing on on safety we want to keep you safe because the staffers care right the staffers are getting assaulted and all and so and people and people people came to that and people want to hear how we're going to do that how we can prosecute how because law enforcement again is

partly prosecuting but it's a lot of showing up and showing force so people know you're safer uh and yeah i mean look i i think they care The question is whether it leads to policy, you know. And again, my job as prosecutor in that office is to get after the crimes as I've got them. And if they're not going to adjust their policies, I can't worry about that on the days, you know, Anacostia or I go to these neighborhoods, they care and they know the U.S. attorney is paying attention to that. And that's probably more important than the folks up on the Hill. I think it is. Tell us what you did with Wikipedia and why. Well, you know, one of the aspects of, you know, weaponization is what I've been talking about with the new role. I've been on this weaponization working group. Weaponization of the legal system.

Yeah, weaponization of the legal system, but really the weaponization of the law, the use of the law to hide and operate. So Wikipedia has this incredible – 501c3 gets a tax benefit from We the People. It's a public benefit corporation. You know, in the 1950s, they looked at this closely because the Rockefeller Foundation, the Carnegie Foundation had been using their foundations and abusing it. And that's when the law first changed to have 501c3 become a tax code. It was part of the shift, right? So the Cox Report or the Reese Committee or whatever it was.

But so we have this problem where these Wikipedia has all this money that they use because they're a 501c3 a non-profit that's supposed to be for the public benefit do they how much do they pay a year in taxes i don't even know no i don't know the numbers no they pay no taxes i'm not sure if they pay zero but they probably say they pay payroll and other things they have an answer to that but they would be tax exempt under the under the code but more importantly they're obviously biased they're obviously, and they're anti-Semitic is the big one, but they're obviously biased in all sorts of other ways. In fact, as soon as I started taking them on, my Wikipedia page went even worse to hell, you know, in terms of people coming on and editing it, supposedly citizen editors. So there's bias, again, information war, right? There's bias here

that is against we the people, in my opinion, but certainly it's bias that's hidden from us because they're hiding behind the law. In other words, they're using the law in a way that is weaponized against certain groups and individuals. And so that's what we basically said to Wikipedia is, hey, let's look closely at what you're doing and how it's operating and see who's benefiting or not benefiting and paying a price. And by the way, as soon as this happens, they get panicked because they know, we know. There's another reason. I wrote to a number of the medical journals and I said, you guys are all 501c3. You get big benefits from tax-exempt status. How are you balancing the partisan nature of the work you're doing? How are you abiding by the laws that say that you're not supposed to be picking sides or paid for by one donor or the other? And they lose their mind because no one's supposed to ask. You're not supposed to ask. It's like USAID. We weren't supposed to ask until this last six months, why are we spending $400 million in wherever, right? Why is this? You're not allowed to ask.

So that's a part of this weaponization thing that I think is underrated. And with Wikipedia, it got a huge reaction. Wikipedia is history now. I mean, it's how people understand the past. That's right. It's in league with Google. So it's the first result on everything. Every noun you punch in gets Wikipedia first.

So people don't understand anything that's happened in the world prior to last week except through Wikipedia. So if it's totally distorted, then you change the collective memory. I know, but we're back right again. We started, we're back to the information war, right? It's a war over information. And if nobody, you tell me who, well, let me say it this way. A prosecutor saying that about wikipedia is vastly different than tucker carlson saying it well i agree right and so and that's the point i wish i was a prosecutor we're right exactly and that and that and that's and that's why donald trump and in my estimation said to guys like me go and do this because that's the role is not just to find the

right guy to prosecute we got to do that too if it if it rises to that it's to make clear how off kilter the information uh battle is because the public doesn't know that right they don't have that sense of what's so what i mean wikipedia is a propaganda operation and one of its founders told me that the cia or the american intel community is heavily involved in shaping the message on Wikipedia. Did you come across evidence of that? Not yet, but that just started. And that sort of opening salvo was about three weeks ago.

So Judge Jeanine will have that one on her plate. But, you know, where I'm going, the job I'm going to, I don't have to leave any of that stuff behind. So I can tell you, I thought you were going to go a different direction and i'll uh i'll say on the weaponization working group as it's described by attorney general bondy and the president's direction intelligence community is one of the groups that was weaponized against the people obviously it's obvious the question is how are we going to get to the bottom of it right how are we going to get to the bottom of some of the weaponization of the government intelligence community against the citizens and that's what that's where i'm going now but we can't tell you it's classified well i think you tell me i'm now

in i'm now in the i'm now in the system well we'll see if i can get it you know but again the point of getting if you can get what well the point of getting into these positions as a prosecutor is i'm now getting the the the clearances to be able to get to the to the to the level where you can look at so i know that still try not to tell you, but that's the point of this fight, is you cannot win the information battle based on what they let you see. It's what you have to find, even in our government. Especially in our government. And I have to say, the classification regimen does not seem primarily focused on protecting national security

at all right exactly back to weaponization the 51 guys that signed the letter on the hunter biden laptop yeah you'd have to be a fool to think that's an isolated incident in other words if they're willing to misuse and mischaracterize a letter based on their, you know, their status and the advantage that they have as insiders, that's not the only time they did it. Right. And so the question is how endemic is the weaponization? Right. And we both know the answer. This is back to your point. It's much, much worse than we think. The question is, how do we continually go about getting to the bottom of it? I'll probably get myself in trouble. You in trouble, who knows?

One of the ways I ran elections, one of the places I think that is really problematic that nobody has looked at is the certification of systems, right? The certification of election systems, for the record, not saying there's any any fraud but how do you certify there's fraud well i know but the election what's at stake exactly well no no but even better look at how much money it is that's what i'm saying right well okay but even just the election assistance commission is the entity that certifies machines okay it has no real teeth but it controls who's certified or not which means it controls who has the good housekeeping stamp of approval worth hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. What are the chances that that has been done?

Everything else we've seen in government is broken, corrupt, messy, incompetent or something. Right. What are the chances that's the one place where it's totally competent and totally without any flaws? I'm just saying, let's go look. Right. And that's what we've got to do to get to the bottom of this. In the same way that the gun control people are fine with gang bangers having guns, the democracy is sacred people are very upset when you want to make sure that elections have integrity. That's weird.

I love when you do this Tucker move. It's weird only if you impute good intentions to these people right i mean that's it is weird then no is he right it's totally predictable i mean and of course and all around the world by the way they're watching this happening in poland right now they're in the midst of they're trying to take poland out obama is in poland there's an election in a week of course obama's in poland i had a whistleblower why do you think that i know i had a great x sikorski and apple There's an election in a week. Of course. Obama's in Poland. I had a whistleblower. Why do you think that is? I know.

With Radek Sikorski and Applebaum's husband. I had a whistleblower come into my office, and they were telling me the story that every couple of months, Samantha Powers would arrive with USAID money to this country. I won't say which one. And I said, you guys know who Samantha Powers is? Of course we do. She was arriving with the money, and they knew it was sort of the beginnings of a color revolution. It's not lost on the world, right?

It's not at all lost. Again, the question is, are we going to get all of it out? Are we going to name it and then hold some people accountable? People say, are you going to walk people out in cuffs? Right now, I'd be happy to have just people know their names, right? I'd like the cuffs later if they committed a crime. But'd be happy to have just people know their names, right? I'd like the cuffs later if they commit a crime, but right now people don't even know their names. And the question is whether we can even get through the information storm that we're in to get that out.

Well, I mean, the early returns are not good. I mean, John F. Kennedy was murdered 62 years ago, and the executive order from the president was January 23rd, two days after his inauguration. And we still do not have thousands of Kennedy assassination-related documents. No one wants to say that. I voted for Trump. I love Trump. But, like, what the hell is that? That's not on my docket.

No, no, no. But it's like— I know. It's the classification laws make it—well, don't make it, by the way. I mean, you can just rule by fiat, which I think someone needs to do immediately. But like, just classify, you know, release the documents, you're going to prison. How's that? But you can't even get 62-year-old documents released months after a presidential executive order.

Like, that's how hard it is to fight these classification rules. Well, and back to say it again, that's the big one you can see. How many are you not seeing? That's it. That's exactly right. That's right. That's what I'm saying. This is still David versus Goliath. And that's the lowest stakes of all because no one connected is still alive. Right, right.

Yeah, it's not Crossfire Hurricane, which, still alive right right yeah it's not it's not it's not uh crossfire hurricane which you know no it's not 9-11 right it's not the 2020 election it's not covid right yeah i was just gonna say right so i mean how many people in your experience so far at doj have your mindset well most of the ones i work with. I mostly work with DAG's office. You know, that's Blanche and Emil Bove and some of those guys. Those guys, when they turned the lights on on the inauguration day, there was only a handful of us there. And those folks are in the mindset we're talking about. What do your DOJ people think of you?

Oh, no, no. They're mostly scared. I mean, they're mostly scared and nervous. And if they're left-leaning or establishment and don't want a part of it, that's one thing. But most of them are just, you know, they've seen this go on too long, right? Our side doesn't win ever. So you're not going to have people betting with the side that never wins, right? They're not like, oh, my career will be better if I go with those guys.

This time they're like, I did that for a minute back in, you know, 1985 and it didn't work out well. Right. So, no, that's that's the that's the problem. No, it's so true. It's so true. How corrupt is Merrick Garland, do you think? Oh, I mean, the only thing that makes me think he wasn't worse than you can even imagine is he has a bit of a Biden, Joe Biden kind of mentality. There was everything going around him and he wasn't checked in, it seems like to me. I'm not saying he was mentally off. I'm saying he was a caretaker, and Lisa Monaco and others were running everything.

So maybe I'm being too generous. He may have been more clueless than willful. I'm not surprised. Yeah, but— Like Mueller was that way too i think oh 100 guaranteed yeah and when history is written you know and i intend to write a whole bunch of it tucker so uh when it's written you know you watch this it'll accelerate under obama right it used to be politicized i think and now it's weaponized that's the pivot that went on right it used to

be politicized somebody's advantage or not bill clinton i think maybe i'm being too generous he was sort of politicizing things it got weaponized where they're destroying people putting people in jail no question right trying to kill them remember obama joking about i'm good at killing people right there was a there was a sense of sort of of um of real disrespect for humanity that kicked in yes and it and it kicked in and drove through that that's what biden the biden term is something we barely escaped, in my opinion, in terms of that idea

and that destruction of citizens. Against humanity. I completely agree. I completely. What happened to Lisa Monaco? Well, I think she's at a big law firm. I think I probably, I wrote to her.

I wrote to her letter and said, what's going on? We want to check on things. You know, yeah, she's at a big law firm. She's cycling out. It's all the same. You know, Andrew Weissman, Lisa Monaco, they all go, Lisa Monaco want to check on things. You know, yeah, she's at a big law firm. She's cycling out. It's all the same. You know, Andrew Weissman, Lisa Monaco,

they all go, Lisa Monaco went to NYU recently, gave a speech, probably got paid for it. You know, remember the Vindmans? Vindman got a job, the one in Congress, he got a job at Georgetown for a hundred grand. He didn't teach, but he was some sort of fellow or something, again, back to Georgetown. This is just a cycle there

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smith yeah what he did, which is unbelievable. Unbelievable. Anyway, the Catholics that were targeted, remember the Richmond memo? How did that happen? Jay Six is another one. There's one of her charges on the working group was whistleblowers, the whistleblowers that were targeted. You talk about weaponization, Tucker. Remember the guy that's in jail up in,

I think it's West Virginia. He supposedly Lone Ranger. He stole all the tax returns and he leaked Trump's. jail up in, I think, West Virginia? He supposedly loaned Ranger. He stole all the tax returns and he leaked Trump's. Remember, he leaked Trump's, but nobody paid attention. He also leaked four or five or 600 or maybe a little more of the wealthiest people in America, mostly conservatives. It's funny how that happened. And then a whole bunch of small businesses, mostly conservative. And I got a briefing on that and I said, this guy acted alone.

He didn't tell anyone and they're like oh yeah he's like snowden i'm like are you joking are you really telling me he's like somehow he's like the snowden of irs tax uh uh you know of i said because this was weaponized remember it was it was pro publica that first he went to new york times then he went to pro publica which was going hammer and tongs one after another against all these people, again, weaponizing American law against citizens. So it's that's a bit of a digression. But to say the whistleblowers in the IRS and other places that came forward have been targeted under the Biden administration. So that's another thing that Bondi asked us to do.

School boards all across the country when they targeted school board parents. That's another focus for us to look at. But we'll also be looking at, as I said, the intelligence community and broader, right? We've got Crossfire Hurricane is still a big deal, obviously getting to the bottom of that. They end up overlapping a lot, as you know, but there's a lot to do, a lot to do. When are we going to see the Epstein stuff we were promised? That's another one I'm not, where I am right now, I'm not involved in. You're not diving right in to Epstein?

Well, no, I'm happy to. Day one? I'm happy to help, but in any way I can. I haven't been in on that. I've not been on that matter now. Do you think the Attorney General Barr promised an investigation in Epstein's death in federal custody in Manhattan? We never got the results of that. Is there some way for the public to petition?

Like, whatever happened to that? I don't think there's a way for the public to petition. But I think as you ask about it, people will respond. I guess I don't. I never saw that if there was a. No, it was never. They never did the investigation. Oh, they didn't even do it?

I don't think they did. No. Oh, that's the first I've heard of it. I don't know. Again, I know that when I got into office office i wanted to talk about the pipe bomb and find out more about the pipe bomb i also want somebody to i'm going to get to the bottom of uh some of the january 6th remember the the gallows the fake gallows were built they're built by five guys who i'm you can see them on video all over the place iconic image used to destroy america around the world that somehow

this was a gallows with a with a a noose total fraud total fraud what happened to those guys i don't know we never found them we never found we never found those guys in an age of facial recognition we just can't find those guys find those guys can't find those guys the pipe bomb question is a really interesting one and the only reason i think most of us know much about it is a guy called darren beattie who now works at the state department thank god but um who reported on extensively on revolver news but that was so baffling and remains baffling because those bombs whether they're real or not were outside the two-party headquarters on capitol hill rnc and dnc so you'd think like politicians would really want to know why the conspicuous incuriosity about that.

I'm with Darren. I mean, before I was in office, I kept saying, how can this possibly be? If you go to any other part of the world and you say the two major political parties had bombs put by their front door, it'd be the story forever. Right. Sounds like, you know, just before World War Two started, there were bombs placed somewhere, right? I mean, in front of the parties. So I've never understood either. And the bombs were, you know, they were sort of rudimentary, but they clearly were, somebody knew what they were doing

for the look. I mean, again, it's information. It was an information. Whatever it is, it became a piece of information or a play over information that we haven't gotten to the bottom of. But everyone's sort of like, yeah, whatever. The pipe bombs outside the party it's it you know whatever we've got more important things to worry about really yeah yeah uh we'll get we'll get there will we ever know um what happened in the 2020 election the numbers were weird i thought well not just the numbers all

everything about uh of characteristics of of all of the election. And then there was the admissions that the election was fortified. It was intentionally planned to do that in such a way to get results that looked off. Now, does that mean they cheated? We don't have that smoking gun, but we certainly have over and over and over again aspects of things that didn't look right. And we've never had the answers on it. So, so yes we will get to the bottom of it again that this is the point about the uh about information you cannot move ahead if you don't actually know what happened and clearly clearly the mainstream media and the the elites told us you have to shut up you're not

allowed to talk about that right it's It's insane. Oh, I remember. I mean, we all remember it well. I remember it well. And then January 6th was used, in my opinion, to try to shut off the conversation even more, right? Oh, I know. And so, but I do think we'll get to the bottom of it. No, I played video that was from the U.S. Senate

given to me by the U.S. government, and everyone at Fox News was mad at me for playing the video. It's like, why? Really? I thought we were a news company. No, I remember that very, very well. Do you think that we will see people held accountable for this? Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. I mean, I wish it was faster. I feel the same frustration, right? Getting people arrested faster and prosecuted faster you know i wish it was fast we're 120 days in 115 days in and and where i sit i can tell you i was there pushing on key issues i'm in the middle of a bunch of them judge janine will keep them going it's

harder than you think to move fast enough i agree with all that but there will be accountability there will be the truth will be known people will be accountable and as importantly by the way people that have been damaged will be healed they will be given the they either pardons like they've the president's done for a lot of people or other things i think you know we have we have a set of people that are that have been targeted by the government that deserve to be uh helped and that's going to be part of this guaranteed. By the way, that did make a man. I will say this. People ask me in all my interviews that Senate, they said, are you for reparations? I said, well, hey, that's a stupid term that was used about, but I am for when somebody gets wronged and destroyed by their government, that they be taken care of, that they try to make them whole insofar as they can.

That's only fair. By the way, that's not strock and and page getting a million dollar payout which is what they got by the way that's another form of weaponization of government when you have biden administration and strock and page transferring wealth to each other uh based on an agreement that's complete completely inappropriate on what basis do they get a million dollar settlement they sued because they were heard about how their their their texts were released to the public. And then the Biden administration said— My texts were released to the public. No one gave me a million dollars.

Well, maybe give me a call. No, give us a call. But so getting to the bottom of that kind of stuff, that kind of conduct, is another part of this thing. So it's—but it almost feels like it can never end because it's so, you know, the weaponization against the citizens began a long time ago. But we really started to see it under Biden. And they they accelerated the conduct. As you can see it, you can see the memos, you know, Merrick Garland and target the Catholics. Right. And and go after the school boards. And Jack Smith, Jack Smith took, he used a grand jury in

D.C., which is famously, you know, favorable to the Democrats, to do almost all of his work. And then he flew down to Florida and basically transferred it down there. For lawyers, this is like unheard of stuff. And everybody goes, oh, yeah, you know, Letitia James. And the way the conduct happens and people go, oh, yeah, you know. By the way, one thing too, Tucker, to preview. The lawyers, the bar associations and the targeting of lawyers is another way that they've weaponized government against people. You know, you can say what you want about Rudy or something. We've never had the system weaponized against lawyers for doing their jobs, right?

It's never been like that. Again, it's an indication of something wrong with why are you so upset about the election? There's a reason, exactly. But also, it's also inappropriate as a matter of public policy. Those organizations are all 501c3s. They're all protected by law. They're all basically monopolies, right? So you're sitting here where you got the DC Bar Disciplinary Council is basically doing

Dick Durbin's bidding. Every time Dick Durbin says something, he'll make a complaint against me, he'll do it against Judge Jeanine. And you're like, wait a second, this is not the system that we're supposed to have. So it's another one weapon, the weaponization of the law against the citizens to the detriment of the country. I've known a number of smart, high testosterone, reform-minded people who come to D.C. to make things better who get destroyed. Well. Right? You've been reading the Washington Post. I haven't been.

I haven't read it in years. Okay. But I've just seen this happen to a lot of people. So, I mean, just on the basis of what you said over said to her, how do you keep going, Phyllis? You know, she said, how do you keep, he said, and she said, there's a prayer, she says, you know, and she would always say, from the malignant enemy, defend me. It's one of the Catholic prayers, you know. And, you know, look, we're so blessed, you know, you have the same attitude to be in this country, to have so many opportunities, and people deserve, our families deserve to have a future. And so this is the fight that we're in. And, you know, they've said terrible things for about a month.

My wife doesn't watch TV, which is great, doesn't read the papers, thank God. My kids do a little bit now, and they're not quite as convinced that I'm as good a guy as I told them I was before. But no, no, it's a battle. It's a fight for the future. And so some of us are going to take a bit of a beating and we'll keep going. You wonder where this is going. I mean, if Obama weaponized the government against people who didn't vote for him and Joe Biden brought it to the next level and just threw hundreds in prison,

what's the next Democratic administration going to look like? Well, that's fair. I thought you were going to say something different. You know, the one thing I tell people all the time is one of the reasons you have to care to de-escalate the rhetoric is it is leading. You can see it's leading to it. I mean, people are spitting on me on the sidewalk, right? This is not normal behavior.

Mr. May, she knew who you were. Well, I know. That tells you a lot. Well, that's a, yes. I mean, I knew who you were because I follow this stuff. But I think that it can lead to, when people start to lose power you see the desperation right you see the and and to me um that's what that that's the one thing you start to notice and so yes it could be really terrible on a democrat administration imagine you know what it's like uh for you know

president uh rahm emmanuel when he puts in uh you know attorney general i don't know adam schiff and what the heck that's like it feels like we've gone to the bottom and maybe, you know, finish a thought that I had earlier that I didn't get to finish, which is it feels like a lot of people that were good people before, you know, a hundred years ago, again, back to the hundred years ago, good people just had good morals, cared about each other, fight, fight, fight, but be honorable on the same side. That doesn't seem as common right now, right? That there's some people that really are not good people that are just disagreeing. They're really not good people. And that's dangerous, right? You can feel that sometimes. And I think that's a worry, but it's something that we have

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