The Tucker Carlson Show - Former Green Beret on Doomsday Prepping, Potential Revolution, and What to Do When Chaos Erupts

Episode Date: September 28, 2026

With World War III looming, are you prepared for the worst possible scenario? Former Green Beret Mike Glover on how to prepare to survive on your own.(00:00) How to Prepare in the Face of Mass Surveillance (08:59) The Growing Revolution Against Surveillance and Data Centers (13:51) Kevin O’Leary’s Data Centers (41:31) Marriage, Women, and Managing Your Sympathetic Nervous System (53:16) How AI Is Making Us Dumb and Docile Paid partnerships with: Ethos: Protect your family with life insurance from Ethos. Get up to $3 million in coverage in as little as 10 minutes at https://ethos.com/TUCKER Paleovalley: Use code TUCKER & get 20% off your first order at https://www.paleovalley.com/tucker American Financing: NMLS 182334, nmlsconsumeraccess.org. Average savings based on borrowers who save over $199.99. Call 800-685-5696 or visit http://www.AmericanFinancing.net/Tucker. Dose: Daily supplements for the systems that support you. Use code TUCKER for 35% at https://dosedaily.co/tucker Last Country Supply: No one knows what will happen next. Make sure you’re prepared at https://lastcountrysupply.com/tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mike Lover, thank you for doing this. Congrats on the book. Thank you. You made a point, many people talk about preparedness. Some are probably not qualified to talk about it. I think you are. But you've made a point I've not heard anybody else make. And that is that we're clearly witnessing the construction of a much more technologically advanced security and surveillance state in our country.

That's clear. But that we need to prepare ourselves in the face of that. And I've never heard anybody say that. And I think it's a really interesting idea. And so I hope you'll explain it in depth. But to begin, can you describe what's being constructed now and what you think it means? Yeah, I think it's, it has a lot to do with the incentives that are driving the entire apparatus. The institutions, all of them, are built off of scale growth, all these metrics.

And most of the institutions that are tethered to people, have financial incentives and incentives to grow annually from October to October. And what I see happening, especially with a lot of the institutions. That's smart. Yeah, they exist in order to keep you tethered to them. So imagine, like, the analogy I use is like the umbilical cord. Everybody is tethered to the umbilical cord. I mean, your water and your power, for example, are tethered to the system, the infrastructure of the city

town that you live in. If something collapses, there's no contingency for anything independently to happen. Because the institution supposedly has a contingency plan. Well, what if they don't, right? The idea of firefighters and policemen, they patrol your neighborhoods because you pay taxes and you have buy-in, collective buy-in, that they're going to take care of you. But we understand from catastrophe that you know, when seconds count both of those first responders, including EMS professionals, are minutes away. They're not going to be there in enough time. If it's the self-defense shooting, if it's the car accident, they're really there picking up the pieces in many cases. And so the idea for me is like, I want people to be self-reliant. I just want them to have

independence. You know, I have a well, for example. Not everybody could have a well in their backyard. I get that. But there are other elements to this where you can have independence, protein from the grocery store. I mean, you go to the grocery store, you buy protein. It's in a nice styrofoam container with sulfane and pink gel. You have no idea where it came from. So I want you to insource your dependence and become more self-reliant. Well, if you have an institution that by design in the name of safety, for example, is surveilling you, they're telling you And now private companies are telling you through the subcontract. They're telling you that we're going to make you safer.

And so you don't need to do anything. And I actually just connected this thought because we were having breakfast and I was talking about it. Like I gave the analogy of like walking to Target, right? I'm walking to a bad guy's house. In some cases, because of the technology integrated, I didn't have to pull security. So I'm holding a rifle like using my infrared floodlight and laser to go around every single bush and tree because I'm like, there's something behind there. The aircraft above me that costs millions of dollars has a flare pod that could assess heat. And so there would be the

case where it says, hey, there's no need to pull security walking to the objective. We got you. And then a guy is buried underneath foilage or a palm grove. And then he detonates a suicide vest and kills your whole team because you weren't paying attention. So that's the analogy that I say this integration of tech. The more it grows, the larger it gets, the more reliant you are on that system, and the more your personal safety is actually compromised. So I think there are two insights in what you just said that hadn't really occurred to me. One, it's the nature of the system like cancer to grow. It just, that's encoded in the DNA of all of these systems, is growth. that's the center of our kind of business model, national business model, scale.

So like flock, for example, I'm not even aware if flock existed until fairly recently. What's the growth of flock been like? Yeah, 2017, Flock camera, because it's camera, it's singular, it was just a camera for an HOA. A homeowners association. A homeowner's association. And the idea was like, let's build this camera. let's tether solar to it to keep it generated and see how this works. Well, here we are nine years later in scale.

And there's not real good numbers because they don't advertise the numbers. But the estimate today is there's 120,000 flock cameras across the United States. So the intention was like, hey, this neighborhood watch wants to put out a camera because there's some things going on with HOA. And then we scale it. nine years later, it's 120,000, with billions of reports every single month that take place with license plates and vehicles and descriptions, et cetera. Now, if you look at that scale as it's kind of like segmented, because other companies are getting smart. Like, again, if I start a

company, the point is to scale, to grow, to compete. So now we have a competing market of flock-like camera systems. So in the case of California... Without the damage brand name. Without the damage brand name. You know, I was thinking about this when I was actually coming here because every time I drive through my town of Hebrew City, Utah, there are a couple points in town where if you drive through the intersection, you'll drop cell phone reception. And every time I drop cell phone reception, and I'm no signal intelligence or signal communications expert, I drive through the intersection, I see a flock camera as soon as my cell phone drops. And I'm like, I wonder why that is. Maybe it's interference. Maybe it's not even real. But I'm noticing more flock cameras in my area.

Well, flock would only have to change the form factor in the company name. Now, thanks to public outcry and the attention it's deservingly getting, it's not likely to do that clandestinely. It's going to be leaked and people are going to talk about it. I'll be talking about it. But the scale that I'm seeing now, for example, in California and Texas, is now, now there are camera systems operating, for example, looking for violations of code. So imagine you live in a neighborhood.

Code violation? So code violations like you have a RV parked in your driveway and you're not supposed to, right? By the way, like, if anybody's tracking these stories, most of the code violations they're finding are happening in impoverished areas. We're like, they don't have an HOA that's manpowering, managing, you know, pulling up in front of somebody's driveway and saying, oh, you have an

RV in your parking lot. That's not allowed. And the guy's like, yeah, no problem. I'll just move my RV. Most of it's not RVs. It's damaged fences. It's mailboxes that are ripped down because it's all poor neighborhoods. So apparently they found thousands of code violations in a couple days actually bragging about it. Like we found all these code violations. And now we can wrangle them in. Okay. It wasn't a problem before, but now now you're, You built the infrastructure to look at it and assess it. Now it's a big problem. You've created a lot more criminals.

You've created a lot more criminals. And so it's the idea like the idea isn't what's happening now because right now it's like, yeah, there's problems. In fact, I have a thesis or theory on what's going to happen. But when you look at scale, Facebook was designed to be a social, interactive way for college students to communicate with another. Now they just settled a lawsuit for like $14 billion for child exploitation. So where have we come in scale? Well, we didn't know we were going to land at child exploitation. We were looking at integrating dorm rooms to be able to communicate with one of them.

So if we look at scale today and how things evolve, this year alone, actually, 107 different reported, there's probably more situations where, flock cameras were damaged. And when you take 107, in some cases, dozens of flock cameras cameras were damaged. Vandalized. Vandalized. So there's reports of this happening because people are upset. Yeah. How does this evolve? Well, in my personal opinion, I think it evolves where, you know, we think about civil war. I don't think there's going to be a civil war against people, because it's not the people that are the problem. It's the institutions and the relationship with people. and when people look at tech, it's a bot.

There is no victim. When I take down a flock camera and destroy it with a baseball bat, there's no victim. I'm doing good. And I'm not advocating for anybody to do this to break the law. But what I'm saying is the scale of how this evolves is rebellion. Because everything that's being integrated before, like Facebook from 2004 to present, scaled. Except we don't need 20. 20 years of scale. When you have AI acceleration and then the power, I think the benefit in one of the

powers of social media of advancing information across and disseminating across the globe, you see the potential of mass spikes in this graph whereby you're going to have a lot of rebellion. Insurgency like you've never seen it before. Patriotism like you've never seen it before. fighting the systems that are basically trying to take away humanity. You're getting me really excited, Mike Glover, I have to say. Sorry. Not that I'm endorsing any. That's a thesis.

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Application times obviously vary as due rates, but we think it's pretty good. I personally think that we're years... It's happening now, by the way. there's pockets of resistance of people together doing things like, hey, where are the flock cameras? Where are all the systems? Let's surveil the people who are actually doing it. And they're not hurting people. Right. They're just demonstrating that this is wrong and they're combating it. Because legislatively, there is no solution. And that's my biggest fear, by the way. Because I've never been a political guy. I can care less about what's going on in the White House. because it's not because you shouldn't pay attention to what's happening policy-wise.

You should. You should be informed. But my reality revolves around my family, my love of God, and my community. The fear I have now is for the first time in my life, I'm seeing in Utah a great state to live in. Like one of my favorite state because I live there, I love it. I love the people of Utah. But for the first time I'm seeing people like an elder box county, or people in Ogden Valley

fighting against property tax, fighting against data centers, and the politicians that are appointed, elected in those positions aren't listening for the first time. I was like, well, obviously, when, you know, for five hours, people protest and say,

we don't want this. They're members of the community that were elected by the people in that community. They're not going to follow through with that. That's my biggest fear, because I always tell people like, You fight for your faith in your family and your community. I got a shirt that says God, family prepping in that order.

Yes. And so the fear is now it's like institutionally, the federal government doesn't have a lot of impact on your life. It can. I'm a veteran. I do a VA. It does. But the reality is the things that are going on in your backyard are more significant that you should be invested in. And for the first time, I'm seeing people combat art.

argue, legislate, and they're getting crushed. I mean, Ogden Valley's property tax went up 500%. Like, what? Like 500%. That's not nominal. That's not like a small number. That's a big number for working families. You'll lose your house over that. You'll lose your house over that. And so I'm seeing that. And so when people confronted local legislative, you know, the city council or whomever runs it, the local officials, they just ignored them. Box Elder County is a good example. This data center, that Kevin Leary, gap behind. Look,

I, there's, I don't, the estimate is wild because it's thousands of data centers, but there's no real, like, exact number. The estimate's four to five thousand.

So if we take data centers that exist, the, the one that exists, I forget what county, it's in Utah, that meta owns, they're like advancing that and making it very large. I'm talking about,

you know, it's like, I think it's like millions of acres. It's like, massive, massive build. Box Elder County, they didn't stop the project after all the outcry of support from the community and the entire state of Utah, and really the country that was like, what are you guys doing? They're like, it's in the middle of a field. There's nothing there, but the people of Utah don't want that. So why are you doing it? And they continue to fight it. And

I checked in yesterday on this project. I talk about it nearly every other week on my show on my podcast and it's still going forward. And you're like, how is that possible? Like, who are the people that are supporting this? Where are they at? Where are their voices at? And what is their justification? And then you find out there's like backdoor deals and a whole much of drama around it. And bribery. And bribery and everything else. And so it, it, even for me in Hebrew City in Wasatch County, which I think is the best county in Utah, where I live, I'm disconnected from that. But soon, you may feel the same. You're like, it doesn't matter because it's down the road or it's across the state or it's in another state. Eventually, because of the scale, the hyper scale of everything

we're doing, it could be in your backyard next week. That flock camera that you talk about and you virtue signal about because you're like, yeah, screw vlog flot cameras. It's like it might be at the intersection where you live, pointing it at your house because they do that. They point them at little girls gymnastics events, which the CEO's catching crap for, which he should. And it's like, what are you guys doing? And then when it does populate, what are you going to do? Well, if you're not prepared, you don't have a plan. They're not integrated in your community because you're just kind of checked out. Well, that's a problem because all your self-reliance that you've outsourced so easily is going to be affected and impacted. So that's the second insight that really struck

me in your thesis, which is that technology is not simply a threat because of what it might do to you, what it might compel you to do or prevent you from doing. It's a threat because it weakens you. Yes. Because you become reliant on it. It's like the Google Map program, you know, and you just like use that for 10 years and see if you know where you are. And I mentioned this to you Before we were talking about this at breakfast, and you're the greatest line ever, you said, after using Google Maps, you'll just, like, follow the line

they give you under a sidewalk. You'll drive through a shopping mall because you're just following it. It says, there's the line there. And it's true. I mean, if you think about it from this perspective, my experience is, obviously, the military. I was in special operations,

and I was a sniper at one point. When I was a team sergeant had a group full of, a team full of, like, rock stars, right? And they were all independently schooled in sniper operations. They had to go to Special Forces sniper course, which used to be called SOTIC, special operations target interdiction course. Delta snipers, special forces snipers, ranger snipers, in some cases, go to this schoolhouse

to be qualified. All my guys were qualified. And meaning they were very competent in sniper operations. They knew how to use a sniper weapon system. At one point, for some reason, and likely it came top down, I was told, hey, we want to put a camera in your optic. And I was like, for what? Like, why do you want a camera in the optic?

It's like, oh, we want to be able to see it. There's this technology, and it integrates into the tactical operations center. And we could see it. And then I'm like, yeah, but I'm on comms. So if you think you're going to micromanage my snipers through a camera with communications, there's latency there. And one, it's no, but two, I don't want this to ever happen. I don't want my sniper to second guess his actions because he's being viewed for a viewfinder.

And because you don't like something you see, you try to communicate, let's not do that. That latency will get my sniper killed. Let's not do that. And then it never happened. But that's an example of how this integration always works. I mean, here's a great example. The health care system, right? The health care system buy-in is that if you want to get through a difficult circumstance,

a bacterial infection, a stomach ache that requires, I don't know, penicillin, you have to go through a process, an entire system. So our grandmothers, our fathers might have taught us about holistic medicine, like independency. That's what it was. Actually, holistic medicine was just a requirement because it was life a hundred years ago. You had to be resilient because it was just life, right? There was no pharma. There was no big pharma. There was no big healthcare systems. You had to take care of yourself and your family. You had to figure it out. So when you look at, for example, the healthcare system. I actually just heard this last night flying here. The third leading cause

of death, according to this podcast between Huberman and Rogan, which is a great podcast, by the way, dropped yesterday. That podcast, they talked about a number of how many people were killed because of medical malpractice, died because of medical malpractice. In one year, 251,000 people. According to Americans? Americans. A quarter million Americans died in one year because of my practice. Quarter million Americans. According to, again, you guys could look this up, according to the statistic they pulled

up by John Hopkins. And I'm like, okay. And then I was asking the question in my head, where does that rank in leading causes of death? But that's like a, that's a city. That's a city. That's top three. That's actually the third leading cause of death if it was actually reported.

But it's not reported because John Hopkins had to do the independent survey to look the statistics, but if you integrate it, it's right behind cardiovascular or basically, you know, any cardiovascular disease, which is the main killer in America, and cancer. I think it would be lower respiratory disease would be in the third place slot if it wasn't for 250 plus thousand people dying because of medical malpractice in error. Come on. Which is wild, right? So think about the efficiency of the systems we depend on. If you knew that you went into a hospital late at night and they talked about this, they articulated this, when a doctor has been on shift for 12 hours, which is he's technically drunk when he's on shift for 12 hours. I mean, you can't drive in some

cases because you're so impaired. I mean, so he's making decisions, life or death decisions, and 250,000 people, 251,000 people apparently die every year because of it. So again, the institution is meant to protect you in the name of safety, national security, whatever it be. But the reality is because institutions, which I like this idea, men are sinners. Every man is a center. We all fall short. When you align that into an institution, according to the Bible, the institution is for good. You're supposed to have it for good. The government is for good. But what it does, I don't think institutions are evil. I think people are inherently flawed and I have no other expectation that they're not, and then eventually the truth reveals itself.

Yes. So all these institutions that we hope the best for, like many of my good friends say, hope isn't that a course of action, eventually the truth reveals itself, and they're broken. Now, the problem is, what do we do with broken systems? That's another question. But the reality is the dependency you have on these systems across every single facet of the umbilical cord connected is failing. So maybe the better analogy is like the umbilical cord is connected to the mom who just started smoking crack.

And if you want to prolong this, yeah, we know what that looks like. We know the outcome. So you need to cut the umbilical cord and you need to start insourcing your own reliance in order to survive. And I say that and I mean it. I mean survive because more of your dependency where people go, well, Mike, you just call 911. Yeah, but you'd be dead. Yeah, but what else would I do? Oh, that's where our conversation on prepared to start.

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it's like the one thing we know about it's going to empower those systems it's going to make them give them more control than they currently have so what do you what do you like how do you prepare. How do you become more self-reliant in the face of that? Well, I think the easiest way to kind of start it is have a conversation with your family, the ones you love, and actually circumnavigate a deliberate intentional plan to disconnect. And look, I started teaching modern survival. I'm not a primitive survival expert. I joke about it. It's like, I'm not going to teach you to survive when you're naked and afraid in the woods because if you're naked and afraid in the woods you've made a lot of mistakes right you've screwed up a lot. Why are you naked in the woods?

That's a fair, you know, that's a totally fair question, Mike. Yeah. So everybody thinks survival is like the naked and afraid show and all these things. It's like survival for me is like the modern take on it. Well, if you're naked in the woods alone, it's also weird. It's also weird. Yeah. There's a lot of things that can get you. Um, and so I don't, I look at that and I go, look, a modern survival take on this is you need to look at all the institutions you're tethered to and figure out ways to start segmenting yourself away from them and building your dependency. I mean, it's why I advocate, for example, for homeschool. I mean, my kids right now are in a great school in the public education system in Utah for elementary school. But when they get

through the basics of arithmetic and everything else, and they're advancing into social. I don't want them learning about things that I want them learning about. So I'd like to homeschool them. We talked about protein. If you don't, if you don't insource your protein and there's any infrastructure threats whatsoever, which there are all the time. I mean, diesel's higher than it's ever been. The infrastructure could have one impact or catastrophe and the entire apparatus shuts down. I talk about this every week on survival dispatch with a group of guys who are expert

at this and the general consensus is that one little thing can affect the outcome of all the things that you're tethered to. So the Walmart down the road has a couple weeks of supply. What happens when everybody goes, we learn this from COVID and gets everything off the shelf. It's empty. What happens if the truck that's driving down, they strike. The war in Iran accelerates and that entire apparatus gets cut off, then you don't have any food. If you don't hunt, if you don't know how to hunt, if you've never gone fishing, if you haven't insourced anything, maybe it's a good time to sit down and have the conversation with your family and just start there with some basics. It's not that complicated. You mentioned homeschooling at first. So that's a lot, that's a much more

complex system than, say, getting protein. Like you could stockpile. Conceivably, a year's with the protein in your garage. It's not that hard. You can buy it at Amazon. But you're thinking about separating yourself from like a pretty basic system, like education, public education. Yeah. Public education is an easy one because we know all the drama that's happened over the last few years, especially with COVID, even with COVID. California, they destroyed these kids likely long term because they kept them out of schools in social settings and kept them isolated. I mean, like basically putting your children in solitary, actually putting somebody else's children in solitary environment.

And we know that that's having long-term effects or our public education system is garbage. It's disgusting. I mean, I'm proud of Utah's public education system because I'm integrated. I have conversations with the principals of these schools. I talk and walk them through their security plan. I want to know because I don't want my children to be in Yuvaldi.

Another reason why, you know, it aggravates me that we have this dependency when parents are trying to get into the school to save their kids, and you're keeping them out because you're going to contain the area and just let these kids die. Right. So the school system is a bigger problem. But when I look at all the elements, for me it starts with security because security is like very intimately a part of my military experience. It's something I was taught as a 17-year-old infantryman. You never violate security. It's one of the principles of patrolling.

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So, like, food supplies are disrupted, for example, but, and some people, obviously, are hurt by that. But over time, they regrow. The threat, it seems to me, is the initial spasm of chaos. So what do you do? Like, so you're at your house and there's an EMP and there's no more electronic communications. Do you stay in place? Like, what is the actual proxamously?

to call for the moment of crisis. It's a real good question. And I'll let me back. I'll walk you through this, but I'm going to back you up to a case study and an understanding of how this works. Virginia Tech 2007. I was there. Remember?

I was physically there. What happened? Did you do the reporting on it? I did. Yeah. Tragic circumstance. Unbelievable. This guy walks into this hall.

It's basically dorm rooms and kills two people. He leaves that place. And this is fascinating because a massive error by Virginia Tech, two hours later, he goes into another building that has school still in session. And it's obvious that they should have locked down and shut down the school. They did not. So he goes into this building and classes in session and he locks and chains the doors behind them. And he goes from room to room, killing. Every single student and faculty memory he comes across.

In some rooms, he goes through, and the percentage of people who were shot in the head, for example, was above 90%. The overwhelming majority of them were basically assassinated, killed in place. The acronym for an active shooting is run hide fight. There's many problems with that acronym, including the idea that, where are you running? maybe assess the information or the situation. I would hate for you to lock yourself down in a building that's a mile away from where the shooting's taking place on the same campus, by the way, because campuses could be that large. So you just lock yourself down, run and hide into a closet, a mile away from this while something's happening when you could have just ran an extra 100 feet to the parking lot and got in your car and drove away. Anyways, so most of them died underneath their desk.

And part of the problem was, there's many problems, but the protocols were the problems. Many students had no plan. They didn't know what to do. And so they shut the doors and then barricaded them because they, in some cases, couldn't even lock the doors. He just went in and shot up the door and then opened the door and forced his way in and then killed many people in those rooms. 32 people. Before, you know, afterwards he took his own life. when we look at that circumstance

there's an interesting thing that happened that's noted in Amanda Ripley she wrote a book called Unthinkable I believe it was called a really good book and she talks about this one student underneath the desk

who thought he thought he was shot so he says and it reflects about this that when the shooter came in he was so scared he didn't know what to do so he froze. And he thought to himself that I'm going to pretend like I'm dead.

He thought he thought that. And so he did. And then he thinks he was bypassed. And then everyone in that classroom subsequently was shot, many died and a couple survived. At the end of it, when it was time to move, he couldn't move. He physically could not move his body. And he thought to himself, I was shot.

I just don't remember or know when it happened. and I was shot. And the point of that is he wasn't shot. And what we often don't assess in these type of scenarios is how the nervous system operates. Yes. Right? There's something called hyper arousal.

I'm actually writing a book about this for my second book. A book about hyperarousal? About not that type of hyperarousal. But fight or flight. Yes. It's got a really bad rap. It's a stigma associated with it. because it's like, you don't want to go in a fight or flight because it's bad.

Everybody potentially will go in fight or flight. I did in Afghanistan my first gun fight, because it actually wasn't a gun fight. It was 107 millimeter rockets. And nobody prepared me for that, like a freight train impacting the earth with a large kill radius that was super loud and scary. And like, everybody's going to die. And like, I have to work through that. I wasn't like calm and conditioned for it because it wasn't the gunfight in the woods like I was train at Fort Bragg in North Carolina. Yeah, exactly. And so he was hypo aroused, which is the opposite of hyper aroused,

right? He was under aroused. Why did that happen? Well, it's something called, I mean, some people call it the faint or fawn response. It's actually called tonic immobility. And tonic immobility in the process of maybe spiking adrenaline and cortisol, neuroepine. I'm so scared, oh my gosh, and then everything locks up, hypervigilant, hyper focus, blood shunting to large muscle groups. I'm prepared to fight or flight. But in this, it's the law after the spike, whereby I'm immobilized. And the tactic biologically, or a lot of scientists discuss, is that if you're a prey and you're getting preyed upon and you know you're going to die, Elastich effort is to collapse in place.

Maybe. I have seen animals do this. Yeah, maybe signaling to the predator that you're sick, tainted, or maybe even dead. And then a lot of predators feed off mobility, off a movement. They want alive. I mean, my son's lizard. If I have a worm that's dead and I'm like, here, eat this worm. He's just like, don't think so.

But if it's like squirm and he's like, oh, that's the trigger, right? So tonic immobility is what he went through. Well, they don't tell you about tonic immobility is that it's a button. And once the buttons pushed, opiates, natural opiates dump into your body. And so the feeling of him like being sedated and I can't move, it wasn't because of fear. I mean, fear might be the initiation device. It was because of the process of tonic immobility. Women who are, and Ben could be in the category two, that are sexually assaulted, often to talk about the idea that, like, they were frozen.

in place, they couldn't do anything about it, and they were, they felt like they were sedated. And I wanted to fight, but I couldn't fight, and I feel guilty for it. You couldn't fight it. Your actual biological ancestral system was designed to flip the switch for you to survive. To play dead. To play dead. So it's not your fault, number one. Number two, that's how the process works. The whole point of that is the button in us exist. And so if we don't understand and we can't manage stress and understanding of how disaster works. Disaster is just a amplified version of stress. I mean, it's just stress in a cloud that's suppressing our abilities, right?

If we don't operate and condition ourselves for that, then we're not prepared for any catastrophe. Because the first indication that something's potentially happening or going wrong, by intuition, by your senses, by your vagus nerve that's kind of detecting the world around you, your palms might sweat and you might. and you might go, oh, I feel nervous. Like something's wrong. But our intuition is like, whatever.

It doesn't matter. And then you see the rock falling down the hillside and you're like, oh, that's crazy. Let me pull up my cell phone and record it. We're losing our natural instincts and our intuition. And we're tethered to, again, to the cell phone and technology that we think's going to bell us out. And it's not.

The reality is it's not. And so the whole montage, the reason for the montage is before we could kind of understand what to do in catastrophe, we need to understand ourselves. Lastly, I mean, think about your baseline. What is your baseline for reacting to everyday stress? Not to like the catastrophe, but everyday stress, things you do with. Most Americans baseline, because of social media, because of the cell phone, because of their obsessions with, Lins. Clancy and all the things that are going on in the world is our baseline has now changed. So whereby a primitive reaction in fight or flight would be to fight the predator to survive,

we're now bashing our heads against the steering wheel, willing to get it in a gunfight with another citizen of our town because they cut us off. The dishes in the sink is triggering us. The way our kids talk to us, what they're doing, trigger us. And so our baseline to manage trust overall is already affected and flawed. So how are we going to manage a catastrophe? And I've seen it. I've been a first responder at the scene of accidents.

And I've seen people completely check out and just drive by. Like there's a guy flipped upside down. He's hanging outside of the vehicle. There's smoke under the hood. And you just drive by it because you got places to go. Like, I got things to do, man. And then you don't even care about your fellow citizen. And so we don't have a good understanding and baseline of our normal everyday life because it's overwhelming to us.

Right. So how are we going to contend to- So we're dulled, in other words, by the adrenaline-spiking images that were in and did with all day? Exactly. the baseline that we have, the foundation of where we should be operating, whereby you're parasympathetic, you're rest and digest, you're just hanging out. Most of us are living, anxious. Most of us are living in a sympathetic nervous response with a reptile brain. I mean, I tell people in these preparedness seminars, and I'm like, have you ever come to terms with your spouse

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Never, like, never, like, resolved an argument? You never resolved an argument when you're elevated, when your central nervous system is spiked because it thinks it's in a fight. When you walk away, which is the best tactic, and you breathe, and your nervous system calms down and then you come back, then the parasympathetic component, the cognition of your brain, the decision making of your brain, is actually able to make a logical

and reasonable decision to communicate even. I mean, I teach a course called Decision Point where one of the things I do is I scream at the person right in front of me. And often it's women. Women actually have a decibel range in their registry that if spiked, they'll go into fight or flight immediately.

So for men it's not the same. If you see men's reacting to drill sergeants in basic training, having graduated basic training at 17 years old at Fort Benning, no problem with the guy screaming in my face. But a woman, once that decibel range spikes, once the red line is hit, immediately cortisol is dumped, adrenaline surges, and then they're in reptile brain. They're in sympathetic nervous response.

They think they're fighting for their. What does that look like? Well, typically it looks like a lot of hyper-focus. Cognition shuts down because it disconnects from the brain. Look, the brain is a liability to survival primatively. Of course. Right? But now we have, again, this tethering of all of these institutions, for example,

One of the first things that you should likely do in a situation outside of fighting in the circumstance is reaching out to 911, right? Call 911. Get EMS rolling, right? We want them rolling in route. And not even stressful situations. Fender benders. People can't even talk to the police. I mean, they can't communicate basic information because they're so surged with that. So ultimately what I tell people is like, if you can't balance the things in your everyday life because you can't manage the stress, you're going to have a hard time managing the gunfight, the catastrophe. Yes. Just to go back to something and just said, when you scream at women, you get close to them and scream, like, what do they, do they slap you? Do they seem paralyzed? How do they respond?

Varing responses. And I do this, obviously, formally in classes. One of the points of decision point is we focus so much on the self-defense act, the drawing of the gun and the act. Too much emphasis because there are many steps, including recognizing the go slash no-go criteria for what my decision-making is to use deadly force, right? I need that kind of understanding. I need that oot loop of understanding of how I'm going to assess this information. And so what I tell people is like, you know, it's a 70-degree day. You're shooting on a flat range, no obstacles. It's a beautiful day. You're creating a hole with your bullets on the target.

you're shooting the bullet through the hole you created, congratulations. That's not at all how a gunfight works. That's not combat. That's not catastrophe. So when I scream at the person, I'm eliciting their neurological response to me screaming. In some cases, I'll tell you about this lady who came in my class.

And if I run an all women's class, you'll get the majority of the women that are in that class wanting to go through the training to empower them. which I like applaud them for. For sure. Because men just show up because they want to take a picture of Mike Glover and like hashtag, you know, shoot better than Mike, whatever it is. Like like a cool guy stuff, right? But women go there because they actually want to repair something that potentially was broken or they saw something happen. And and I didn't realize this until after this experience. One of my scenarios had to do with ATM machines. So the disadvantage of ATM machine,

especially at night, is you're blinding yourself with the ATM LCD display, and then you're in darkness, your back's completely exploitable, and you're taking money out, and if the bad guy's going to get you, he's going to get you in that moment where you're staring at a machine trying to get money, which you should never do in the middle of the night in a bad area, right? It happens, though. If you look at the ATM thefts, that's typically how it happens.

The majority, by the way, of bad guy engagement, anything happens at night, by the way. It doesn't happen in daytime, but we train 99% in the daytime, but that's another thing. So in the scenario, I walk up behind her with a simunitions pistol. So it's a pistol that shoots a basically a piece of plastic, right? It hurts, but it obviously doesn't injure you or kill you. And you have to wear protective equipment. I walk up to her and she's staring at an iPad that's simulating an ATM and I shove the gun in her back and I tell her some expletives that I would never communicate to anybody and act like a bad guy. But I do so yelling at her and telling her I'm going to hurt her.

And immediately she breaks down into the fetal position and starts crying because I triggered her trauma. and often, and we talked about this a little bit, especially as it relates to psilocybin and some of the things, when you have trauma and it's in you, it's dormant, and there is a trigger device attached to that. Like, imagine your trauma is like a bundle of T&T, not C4 because that's more stable, like wet T&T. There's an initiation device,

maybe a plunger, because that's a good analogy, like the plunger, that exists. And if you're not managing or conditioning or understanding that trauma, that trauma could be the liability that's on standby when catastrophe strikes. And so at the moment, at the precipice of decision point, where you're like, I got a plan because I talked about it, rehearsed it in my head, and I'm going to do all this cool guy stuff. And then the trigger is met, you have no option, it's plunged, and then it blows up. And then it, that switch, we talked about the button, the tonic immobility. That's what happened to her. And so I picked her up and I turned on the lights and all the women there were like in shock. And I had never seen anything like this before.

I'm learning about this as I go, almost doing like studies on people and taking data points in my head at least. And I take a step back and I pick her up and I like, oh, I'm like, why did this happen? She told me she had been a victim of assault in a similar scenario with a pistol, feeling helpless, likely in a state of hypo arousal. And so I walked her through it. I coached her. We trained. She built the confidence, and we did the same exact drill, just a walk-through version of it. And she pulled a pistol over waistband, and she shot me in the stomach with protective equipment on.

and afterwards she said when she broke those shots it was like you ever heard the dream where you have the gun and you pull the trigger and nothing happens oh yeah or you go to punch and then you're punching the person and it's not having an impact or effect she said she was stuck in that loop for years and then when she pulled the trigger and was able to break the shot in my stomach it released something but the reality is she was just conditioning herself out of trauma for conditioned stress to be able to work through it. And I know that's a long-winded version of it, but the reality is we focus in preparedness

on technical and technical capability for sure. When that's the easy part. Earn those reps on your own, work through that on your own. You got that. The hardest part is understanding the infrastructure behind it. So there's a lot going on in the world, as we often say, a new war in the Middle East, closure of the straight-of-horm moves,

the global energy crisis, if you're not convinced that you have an obligation to think about the future, nothing will. Stability can disappear really, really quickly. That's unfortunately true. Most Americans have no idea where the basic necessities of life actually come from, but we can tell you this. Probably not your backyard, and that's the problem. Global supply chains are unreliable, so you need to make sure you've got what you need to protect your family

if the system is breakdown. And they could. Not forever, but they could definitely break down. And that is the reason that we built Last Country Supply. We're not crazy. Okay? We're not living in bunkers. But people need to think about self-reliance, becoming self-reliant on the most basic needs.

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Like, oh, you can't talk, you can't move. Yeah. And it doesn't have to be the gunfight. No. It could be like somebody calls you and tells you, you know, your family member was diagnosed with cancer. Yeah, or you're getting a car crash or whatever. But I think everyone has had experience like that. So you think technology leaves us less prepared for moments like that?

Less resilient overall. I mean, as a nation, there's many reasons why we're not resilient, but less resilient overall. How does AI affect this picture? It wants to automate everything. And so if you look at the AI integration, the biggest risk by experts, not me, by experts, is that it makes us not want to use our brains. And the default, so like the analysis from an AI expert is like the everyday mathing and statistics and the things that you do. But we're not considering catastrophe or contingency, right?

So in a perfect world, AI is basically setting us up for failure because we become lazy. Right. But what happens if we become lazy and part of the foreign adversary analysis is we're exploitable. Oh, we're complacent. More complacent than we've ever been. Oh, and the idea that like foreign adversaries aren't investing in making us more complacent, that's been proven. They did that. They've been doing that forever.

Spy games decades ago now integrating into every single. facet of social media to do it. And they're playing the long game. I mean, China has a 5,000-year plant. We have, we're living day to day, just getting by, depending on everybody else's manufacturing and origin story and process. And so that's the problem with AI integration is it's not what it does to us by making us lazy. It's what happens when we're lazy, complacent, and completely exploitable. Then you're vulnerable. Of course. We're completely vulnerable.

But also, I mean, indolence is bad. Luxury is poison over time. If you stay in bed all day, you get bed sores. Yeah. You have to, you need resistance to stay human, don't you? You need friction. Right. The most often question that I get is typically build around resilience and how can I

become more resilient. And I have the luxury. And it was a luxury because I volunteered for it all. You know, I was an infantryman. I went to Ranger training, airborne training, green beret training. I was a guard at the, I don't know if you knew this, I was a guard at the tomb of the unknown soldier. Really?

Yeah. Must be a very handsome man for that job. I was handsome, minus the beard. Because I do think, like, appear, you know, all the guys look squared away at that. Yeah, I was. I was squared away at some point. And I did that. and the nature of my job and my duties and responsibilities were difficult.

And so everything I went through, I was voluntold that you're going to do. And it builds resilience. And then there's something magical that happens in a lot of my peer group, you know, the Andy Stumps, the Evan Hafer's, the Joccos, Sean Ryan talks about it. like if you want to build resilience you do hard things right when you do hard things there's something that happens though i actually think there's a gene for this it's a mechanism of survival for sure over time um i mean if me and you we're like sitting here comfortably in this beautiful place if it wasn't for the sacrifice of all the men and women that bred our DNA before us we wouldn't be

here living in luxury. Yes. It's because of their resilience, adversity, fighting through the most difficult of times. A teenage girl gave birth in a cave during a snowstorm to make this possible. A hundred percent. Yeah. A lot of them. And we're, we're, we won the life lotto. Because we're born in America and we have this amazing opportunity and we're here when the majority of the world does not have that. Right. And so if you, if you kind of backwards, it. It's because of the resilient that was built over time. And what happens magically when you actually execute on these, I think, natural desires, like my sons are warriors. I didn't teach them to be warriors. They pick up sticks and start fighting each other like they're Spartans. Yeah.

And it's ingrained in them. I didn't say, hey, do this. Like my son's, my beautiful son, Leland's, Leland, it's such a beautiful name. My daughter's name is Ila, and then I've been in Penelope. But Leland, for his third birthday last weekend, I bought him a Spider-Man Penaena, which is awesome. Got a big Spider-Man head, upper torso. And he's like, what the? He doesn't know what it is. It's like part of a body of Spider-Man, his favorite character.

I said, no, there's candy in it. He's like, okay. And I hand him a stick, never seen a pinata in his life. And he walks over to Spider-Man without prompting and knocks. the head off it like he's like a professional baseball player. And then he just shoves his hand in the neck of the Spider-Man head that he just knocked off. He shoves his hand in the neck and pulls out candy. And you never told him to decapitate Spider-Man? Never told him to- He didn't know anything about it. And he literally, naturally looked at it and went, okay. He beheaded on instinct. He beheaded on instinct,

stuck his little, his actually fat little hand inside of the neck and pulled out candy and started grubbing. That's so great. And it's just, it's in this. It's ingrained. And so when you start doing difficult things, you start wanting to do more of that. And I love that. Like when I go camping with my kids, like they love it. I love it.

And it's uncomfortable. But when they get settled in comfort, they have a desire to go back into being uncomfortable. 100%. I go camping every week, actually. Same. Every off going Thursday afternoon. Yep. Yes.

And for exactly that same range. you know, alone with my dogs. Because I, for exactly that same reason, it's so deeply, adivistically satisfying. Like there's something hard to describe, but that is really important that roots you. Yeah. And think about where AI technology...

It's the opposite of that. Yeah. It's French toast in bed forever. Forever. We're more satisfied with the alternate reality we're creating online than we are the reality that we live in our daily lives. and everybody's paying the price for it.

Our relationships, our relationship with God, our relationship with our children, and we're completely disconnecting. And we talk about it on podcast, but nobody actually has the discipline to live it and to actually create parameters that's going to fix and maintain or retain some balance in your life. Do you think it leads to grave unhappiness too? Yeah. I don't think I'm imagining that. I think not having enough, well, hard work, not having the ability to do things for yourself, lacking self-reliance, being served, luxury, basically living in the Ottoman harem makes you suicidal after a while. Lindsay Clancy popped in my head because she was privileged. Yeah.

She had a nanny. She had a beautiful home, a seemingly loving situation with her family. And for her, it was the worst case scenario. What's the suicide rate in rural Central Africa versus the suicide rate in Greenwich, Connecticut? Exactly. It's zero. It's literally zero. And so when you look at that type of scenario where we're,

we're at. It's like, wow, when we have it so good, we're the most unhappy we've ever been in human history. That's exactly right. So why? But now we're hearing from, you know, the heads of these companies, you know, most of whom I know personally, I don't know that any of them you'd say is like evil, even though I think they're doing evil, but they don't seem evil personally to me. They love their children and all that. But their promise is more. ease. They're like no one's going to have to work. Everyone's going to be rich. I mean, I don't believe that, but even if it were true, would you want that? Every promise of every institution as a model of how business works in the first place is to create an easier, you know, fix the problem.

Right. What's the problem? This is the problem. We have a fix for it. And we're going to build optimization and efficiency in your life because of our service or our problem. And the problem with that is every metric of friction, as we described it, of resistance that moves us as human beings is now going to be compromised. And so we need the friction. We need the resistance. And now we're manufacturing it. Coal plunge, hot sauna. I run on a treadmill and air-conditioned room. So right. And so all of that resistance that we could really want and have adapted to over time. through evolution exist outside for the most part, right, in remote areas of the world. But this seems like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. So basically they're saying like Americans just do too much for themselves. They face too many. I mean, I don't know who they're

speaking to, not to me, because I don't feel like I do too much for myself. I don't think my life is too hard. I feel like my life is too easy. I take everything for granted. So when I hear someone who runs an AI company saying, you know, here's the good news, you'll never have to do anything again. I'm like, I don't know. I didn't ask anyone to do that for me. I don't want that. Yeah, it's one of the problems, but it's also, like I talked about in this rebellion or this understanding of rebellion and how it could potentially unfold, there's a movement. How can I join it? You're part of the club. I don't want to get arrested here. No, no, no, no, we haven't done anything yet. But if there's a meeting, will you call me? I mean, if you actually think,

about it, think about the, and I push this insistently, if you think about the analog of even how I grew up in the 80s, how you grew up in the 80s and the things that you did, right? Everything was very manual. I mean, I have, me and my wife have old pickup trucks and Jeeps because I like the visceral nature of how a manual vehicle makes me feel. Standard transmission is liberation. It is. I drive one. I agree. Yeah. I have a 71 Ford Highboy F-250.

Do you really? I have an 84 Jeep Scramble CJ8. I have a couple air-cooled Porsches that are just air-cooled, manual, analog, very analog. And I get it. Like, there are some things AI is very good for. And like, a lot of people are like, it's a liberal talking point. Well, how about you to settle down? I'm not saying anything.

political. There's nothing political about one of you. So, okay, just to explain, because I've had the same experience, but maybe people watching don't know what you're talking about. So you're saying you've criticized AI or this, the, the tech tsunami about to crest over us. And people you know have texted or called to say, hey, why are you repeating liberal talking points? You're complaining about this technology. Is that what you're saying? Absolutely. Okay, so I've had the same experience. And what they're telling me is AI Dumerism is a sci-op. it's all part of regulatory capture. So like if you are worried about AI,

you're playing into the anthropic demons plan for global domination because what they're really doing is partnering with the U.S. government to set up regulatory barriers against their competitors by scaring the crap out of everyone and the regulation they're calling for

is actually like a form of protectionism that keeps their monopoly in place. That's what they're arguing to me. And I'm sure there's some truth in that. But I also feel like, I don't know, inherently, there's nothing to worry about? Is that what you're saying? And by the way, are you taking money from any of these tech companies? Because every freaking person I know is taking money from a tech company, I've noticed. Sorry, it's making me mad thinking about it. And so, like, there are a lot of

dishonest talking points flying around. Do you feel this? I've been on the other end of it, just like you, especially criticizing. Well, so I don't even pretend to know what the future holds. Of course, I have no idea. So I'm like, I'm no expert on anything, like nothing. But I just think these are legitimate concerns. And people are just way up in your face about it. Why are you saying that? I catch it the most with flock. Who defend a flock camera?

Well, it's funny. There's chiefs of police. There's officers that DM me and tell me how good flock is. And they don't know the scale of flock or the history of flock. It's very researchable. I mean, you could Google it to understand just that baseline. Like I just talked about the last nine years of scale. Like this isn't something that we've always had.

or that was readily available, this is something that is accelerated to hundreds of thousands of cameras that is now, you know, for the first time, I think, being shown to be completely utilized and leveraged for evil, for bad things.

I mean, there are law enforcement officers. It's funny, I had an officer who DM me and said, hey, flock isn't bad. You're create, it's a liberal talking point. You're just jumping on the bandwagon. And I've had like, a sheriff in California. Tell me the same thing.

He's advertised the same thing. And I'm like, okay. So one, I'm a no expert at law enforcement. I'm not. I have an undergraduate degree in law enforcement or criminal justice. So I've studied law enforcement. And when you look at what it is, it's a tool. I get it.

It's a tool. But it's a tool that could be used for nefarious reasons, including tracking your ex-girlfriend or 16-year-old high school. girls that you're into because you're a school resource officer. The true story. This is not manufactured. These are stories that populated. They said, there's no proof of that. I looked it up and found six stories in the last week of officers being arrested. And some that are just being punished, but arrested. But think about if you're the... Mike, so you're saying that people will use technology for creepy reasons. Are you really saying that? I think it can be used for that. I think that's where it heads.

What? The second the cell phone camera was invented, Like, that's the only thing it was used for. Yeah. Stop. I mean, think about the, so if we just take the flock thing and you just talk about any segment of technology with the integration of AI, it accelerates everything that potentially could go wrong and violation of civil liberties or constitution or civil rights as human beings. And so that's what's scary for me because, you know, now the algorithm will detect and, you know, pull, you know, over the person, they thinks it's the bad guys, and then they wind up killing an innocent family. That hasn't likely happened yet. I haven't read that this happened, but the pulling

over of innocent people and them being treated like criminals is happening all the time. Predictive policing. Oh, and by the way, that officer who messaged me, I wanted to message back and say, look, you're actually advocating for something that's going to have your job. Well, that's the other thing, right? There's a specific reason. I can't articulate this, but I understand it. I don't know the, maybe you have a better example, but there are some things that just need to be slow. There, there only needs to be one ranger in a national park. Because if you have an automated system of tons of rangers and tons of violations, oh, by the way, AI and these camera companies are using them to detect people who are catching too many fish in the water, right? So it used to be

John, who's the National Park Ranger who walks over and says, hey man, And you get your license? Yeah, sure, buddy, no problem. They're surveilling trout streams? They're surveilling national parks in some places. And they're catching them or they're trying to catch people's exceeding their fishing limit. Can you take out one of these cameras with a 308 or a smaller caliber? 300 wind mag would be preferred. It's too loud.

No, well, that's beyond transonic and subsonic. You could be about a thousand meters away. Suppressed. someone at the table was a sniper at one point in itself. Never advocating for that. Never advocating for that. Yeah, I'm very close to advocating for that. Well, that is crazy. I had no idea that was even happening. But your assessment is like so basic. It's wise. I don't want to detract from it,

but it's so obviously true. The technology will accelerate preexisting tendencies in the society and in the people who comprise it. So like if people are a mixture of good and bad and they're altruistic, but they're also greedy and cruel or whatever. All of that will be magnified by any technology, right? Of course. Yeah. That's what you're saying, I think. It is.

And so we should just be on guard for those predictable consequences. And you say that to someone and they say what? That's a liberal talking point? Yeah. They say it's a little like I criticize Ford Motor Company. And I did so because Ford Motor Company CEO has this diabolical plan to integrate cameras, including inward facing cameras. especially for commercial contracts that if it's not the driver or if the driver seems impaired,

it will just contact authorities for you. So you have surveillance in your car. Surveillance in your vehicle. Looking inward facing. So how about no? How about like obviously no? Yeah. So if you made this into a movie,

it would be like a segment of the population that reads my book prepared that's driving old pickup trucks and living very analog and refuse to integrate with technology. and part of a rebellious militia. It's one literally outside my door for this exact reason. 100%. I sold my F-150. I had a Raptor. Got a great interest rate from Ford Motor Company.

I was like, yeah, I'll get a Raptor. It'd be cool. I can do some content on it and do some stuff. I was backing out of my driveway in Hebrew City, which is evolving and developing like no other town. It's actually one of the top towns in development. Not happy for most people in Hebrew City if you're living there, right? And so the development behind my house is massive, so all the traffic is going one way.

I go to back out of my driveway with my kids, my fort. At that time I had two children with me. And as we back out, the truck just stops in the middle of the road. And I'm like, what is like, and I go to move back and it won't go back. So there's a car coming. And I'm like, oh my gosh, like what's happening? It won't back up. And it's beeping at me.

I put it in drive and I drive back in my driver. like what's going on? The sensor on the back, rear right bumper was dirty. And at the intersection, probably 500 meters away, there was a car. And it caught likely, because it's infrared, a reflection that triggered the sensor that was dirty and locked me down, shut me down in the middle of the road. If there was a semi-truck with a impaired driver or just somebody not paying attention, I would have got T-boned in the intersection right in front of my house because of the tech integrated into my truck. I immediately got rid of that truck.

And I was like, I'm not going to risk. I did the same thing. And I bought a 1997 Ford OBS 733. Yeah, if you're interested, anyone who drives pickup trucks, at least for Chevys, which I drive, the Silverado, I think the last year that preserves human autonomy is 2018. I can confirm that. I mean, maybe a few subsequent years.

But after that, you don't make the decisions in the vehicle. Yeah. So I had a 2003 Silverado, kind of a cool vehicle in some ways. I sold it in a month because of reasons like that. It's like, no, it's I'm driving. Yeah. Like, who's dad here? Yeah. Are you really giving me orders? I thought you were a machine. Like, what are we doing? And it's, it's, it's, for those who think it's a liberal talking point, let me just back up. A liberal talking point? A liberal talking point. They think it's a liberal talking point. Who's writing this crap? They're like, you're going against Ford. It's an American company. It's affecting American jars. Okay. So. In what sense is four? Ford an American company anyway. So if you back out of that, the reason all these things are happening is because the mining of data. Data is the currency.

Of course. So when you get a Ford brandy truck, I know Ford does it for sure. Most manufacturers will likely do it. You have to get the app integrated into the vehicle. Oh, yeah. And it downloads. It downloads everything.

It's because you never know if somebody steals your truck. Well, you don't need a law enforcement officer to go investigate a stolen vehicle because you have a app that geotags it for you. But like you can't do anything. I mean, there's YouTube integration in the dash of the vehicle. Like, I don't want YouTube when I'm driving in the middle of my integration. I mean, you said you're not political and God bless you for that.

There's no upside in being political. There's no upside in following a lot of the stuff I say this. I've someone who has followed it for my whole life. You don't get much out of it. But if there is any reason to have. a conservative party, whatever you call it, Republican Party or any name for it, but conservative, it's to oppose stuff like this. It's to defend human beings against the machine. It's to try to preserve some measure of human autonomy, personal sovereignty. Like, I don't, why else would you

have conservatism other than that? And so for them to tell you it's a liberal talking point to say you don't want to be spied on in your own freaking truck, it's like beyond belief. How do you, what do you say to that? I like to speed sometimes. Yeah, of course. And that's a very American thing, a very American thing. There's legislation in California right now that's trying to get rid of basically all the classic cars. And Jay Leno, who's been... Get rid of the classic cars? Jay Leno's actually came out of his hibernation, out of his cave with all his cars, to talk about this, which I'm proud of Jay for doing this because he's, you know, he's going against the system that's trying to take...

He's a very nice person at whatever his fault. They're trying to take away the entire classic car. culture that's been built in California because... Only for 100 years. It's not a big deal. Yeah. It completely shaped the American culture as a whole. Of course.

That's... Wow, I didn't even know this. So great deal is buying classic cars out of California right now because they're trying to pass legislation to basically ban it and evolves around emissions and these green movements. Like a flathead motor's immoral or something. Yeah. Yeah.

Like it's killing all the birds. And so you got to get rid of those vehicles. Meanwhile, there's more pollution in California than any state. It's the most physically defiled state. It's filthy. Yeah. And so you're letting people use the sidewalk as a latrine and, you know, die in public parks. And every public library smells like urine.

And you're lecturing me about pollution, really? Yeah. And taking away, like, part of culture, American culture. But the dirtiest people in the world are calling you dirty. It's like, no, I'm not playing along with this. They don't have a problem with Skid Row, but you got a problem. with a car show full of classic cars of boomers. You know, pouring poison.

The whole northern part of the state is a super fun site because of foreign weed cartels that use banned chemicals to grow marijuana in the state. And if you don't believe that, go to Mendocino County. Anyway, whatever. But that's just crazy that they're doing that. It's wild. It's wild. And it hurts.

And it's like, again, I think a lot of Americans will be. be forced like me to go analog in a lot of parts of their life, whether they deliberately intentionally do it or because they want to get away from the tech. Like there needs to be some form of balance. I mean, not everybody lives in Silicon Valley or wherever this is happening. I don't even know. Salt Lake City, maybe that's happening there. But not everybody wants to live without resistance. I want to feed my chickens and my goats and drive my pickup truck. So as you talk to people, I mean, obviously we all live in like a, a, less, slice of the country, right? We live in our own worlds or self-created worlds. But so with that caveat,

when you talk to people about technology, do you get the sense that people you know are hopeful about it or they're threatened by it? So a report came out today this morning that said that 70% of Americans that were surveyed think that AI is going to be a problem. And that is the general-70% 70%. The overwhelming majority of Americans think that AI is going to be a problem. And I mean, when Sam Altman and Anthropic come out and both say like, oh, we just had this what a huggy bear or whatever situation where, you know, basically it breaks out itself and starts operating and trying to figure out how we're going to take over. So we're not shut down when it's doing things unilaterally without control.

that's not even prompted, yeah, that's a problem. And when the CEO of the biggest AI company comes out and says, hey, we're pumping the brakes here because something's happening that we weren't prepared for, prepared for, then you should be concerned as Americans. And everywhere I go, when I speak to people about preparedness, when I talk to people online, everybody overwhelmingly is concerned. This is not something that's in the minority. Well, I mean, just take a step back.

So the guy who more than any other person is in charge of our future, that of our children. Sam Aldman, is this a normal person? Is this someone who shares your values? This is a guy who's been accused by his own sister of molestation, accused by the mother of one of his employees of murder. I'm not saying you did either one of those things. I'm just saying, that's the guy? Really? Of all the, of 350 million Americans, that's the guy you put in charge of the future of humanity? Like, no. Yeah, it's supposed to be for the greater good. I mean, and a non-profit. And now it's one of the biggest profiting companies. at growth and scale than any company in history.

This is a guy with nothing in common with the average person. No, not at all. Zero. But he's now creating reality for the entire nation and world. Yeah. And we're buying into it. I mean, the majority of the states are buying into the building of the infrastructure because it's a money grab. So what do you do if you go to the local authorities whose job is to represent you and

improve your life and listen to you and carry out your will because you are the owners, not them, they're the employees, but they don't acknowledge that and they give you the finger and just do what their donors tell them to do, which is the state of play. Where does that leave you? Like, what are your options? You don't, like the idea of getting off grid and going in the middle of the woods and just living your life. Well, we know how that worked out for Randy Weaver. And that's not the option. The option is fighting legislatively, legally until you can't. And my fear is because of how quickly this burn rate is going, that till you can't is going to come sooner than we think. Yeah.

I just couldn't agree with you everything you have said. I just couldn't agree with you more vehemently. And it's actually hopeful that what you're describing because you're describing solidarity of human beings. So I just got one last category I want to thank you for doing this, that I want to hit that's not related to your book. but it's just interesting to me, is you describe friends who've lived a life like yours, been in an elite unit, and the US military served all these tours, combat tours,

and how they're thriving, and you named a bunch of them, and I think a lot of them are familiar to viewers, Evan, certainly. And they're all doing great. But a lot of people famously who've lived that life are not doing great at all, and we both know a lot of those as well. What's the difference?

Like, why does some guys who do eight combat tours totally well-adjusted, love my wife, totally dialed into my job, and others just really seem on the brink of self-destruction. Yeah, from my personal experience, and it's personal, and it's my personal opinion, because, again, this is very anecdotal. I mean, my experience with men and my organizations and all the things that we went through that would traumatize the average person by a long mile is that we're not traumatized by war. I mean, the men that I associate that are my best friends that come from Evan Hafer, Green Beret, Andy Stump, former Navy SEAL, DevGrew operator, Sean Ryan, you know, former SEAL.

Like many of these men are resilient because they grew up in good homes. They grew up in good situations. They joined for the right reasons. they went through the training and all the experiences and had no problem with it because they had, it's not aptitude, they just had the ability to reconcile. And they did so, like even me, you know, I contend with this, this debate over like war and was it justified and all of the things, but I know very intimately, with most of my peers' opinions thinking the same, that the men that we fought on the battlefield were formative

foes and bad people. I mean, they were killing Americans in some cases. They were going after coalition forces. But I also now full circle being old and looking back on warfare like many veterans do, go, man, was that necessary? Was the whole thing necessary, obviously? I'm more traumatized by that. The big picture questions over which you had no control.

Yeah, no control versus the actual engagement. engagements and the things that I saw in the auto field. But realistically, most people who suffer from trauma that are in resilient, natured-conditioned jobs, like special operations, which has all the psyche vowels, all the selection processes, all the condition training. That's very difficult, obviously. They're a pretty fine mesh screen at the beginning of the process. I didn't fully realize that. They screen, they know who you are psychologically by the time you start. training. Yeah, I actually thought about this being a civilian, and I didn't get a job once

for the Department of Energy. It's one of the only one and only civilian jobs I applied for. It was the head of Colorado's like DOE, basically their power plants throughout the state. And you got a pickup truck. And I was like, sweet, you get a pickup truck. I get to drive around a truck and check on on these sites. That sounds fun, actually. It was cool. It was like you had to have a degree in Homeland Security. I have a bachelor's degree in Homeland Security in crisis response. You had to have crisis response experience. And not to brag, but just at the time, I probably had more experience than anybody that I knew, anybody I had worked with in crisis response specifically. And I was the guy. Like, this job was mine. And then I found out after the application when I was

denied, it came down to me and another guy. I found out that at the application on the resume, when I put, I was a sniper, that they looked at that as a liability, that I was the bad guy. In fact, veterans get this all the time, by the way. Veterans in family court, veterans in any situation where they looked at post-traumatic stress. You don't know, he's a wild card. Oh, he's a sniper. He killed people for a living. It's like, yeah, that was my job.

And I could have churched it up and like redesign the verbiage to make it seem like I was something a corporate long-range executive, whatever you want to put. A threat elimination officer. TEO, yeah, that was a TEO. So when you look at that, it's like most of the trauma that I see after the fact and these guys that go, and that in all cases, but they go to Ibegain, Soliscibin, etc., they are dealing with traumatic injury from before they came in the military. typically from the childhood.

Really? Yeah, I mean, we do a moral injury. More injury is a significant component to this. Yeah, yeah, of course it is. And I think across the board affects everybody. That's most of special operations. There's some component of moral injury there. I lost a buddy.

I should have been there. There was casualties. We should have took out, whatever it was. But before that, it's my experience that, I wouldn't say the majority, many of the men that I served with came from very broken homes. Now, I came from a broken home,

technically, because it was separated. But I had a very beautiful and amazing mom, still do. My mom was Korean and live part-time with her and then live part-time with my dad, who was an amazing human being, who kissed me and good night

and tucked me in every night. Like it was the nervous. nurturing, loving father. And my mom was the same way. And so, yeah, technically I was broken. There are service members that I've served with who have significant childhood trauma that I think, and I'll just say this out loud, that don't need to be going to Ibegain. They don't need to be going to psilocybin retreats.

Yeah. Because they're opening up a portal or box or whatever you want to use that can exacerbate that trauma without a lot of. parameters or structure built to understand what it is in the first place. I know I boy that that comports with my instincts exactly that there's no one ever wants to say it since Freud we all assume that getting everything out is always the wise course but that's not always true I mean some things are subterranean for a reason do you really want to revisit them can you fix them yeah yeah you're messing with a uh a spirit world just to take a young guns

a quote, a spirit world that we don't know a lot about, that depending on your capacity to manage and deal with that, can break you. Oh, I've seen that. Yeah. I had the great advantage of doing a lot of that stuff as a child. By the time I was, you know, 17, I was like, I don't think I'm doing that again. Because, like, yeah, I learned this lesson early, you know, not to brag. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. There's some stuff. Yeah, absolutely. Who know? Are we designed to understand in this life, everything that resides within us, much less the things that exist unseen all around us? I don't know that we are. Yeah, we're still interpreting the Bible. A hundred percent. I don't understand all of John, like at all. So. I was reading John this morning and still trying to figure it out. Me too. Me too. Yeah. John 8. What passage? The truth shall set you free. Yeah. And the context. or many people think that the truth is like the truth by design that we are confronted with in life, but it has nothing to do with that. It's the truth that Jesus is our Lord and Savior. He's preaching to

the disciples, but saying that, you know, basically, I am the truth. And if you're truthful about yourself and your relationship with Jesus, then you're separating yourself from sin, and that will set you free. Yes. which oh i love give that gives me chills i do too i was trying to figure out i think it's john 13 i probably have this wrong but it's in that range where he's jesus has raised lazarus from the dead and the pharisees are totally panicked of course they take no like joy in the fact to dead man dead for four days it's like walking around in fact they want to kill lazarus but they all meet the council meets and they say if he keeps this up everyone will believe in him true and then the

Romans will destroy our nation and our temple. And I've read this a million times, but it struck me. I was like, what does that even mean? If everyone believes in Jesus, the Romans, why would the, I don't understand what that means, but I feel it's significant somehow. Anyway, I probably read that for the rest of my life and understand it. Yeah, which is part of the process. It is.

Or inject yourself into that world and not be prepared and then deal with ramifications. Yeah. Yeah. Mike Glover, a man who is prepared for the ramifications. Prepared is the book, a manual for surviving worst case scenarios. I really appreciate you doing this. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you. Yeah, thank you.