The Tucker Carlson Show - Giants, Pyramids, the CIA’s Psychic Spies and The Ancient Civilizations More Advanced Than Ours

Episode Date: February 2, 2026

The people who run countries believe in the supernatural. It’s the main thing they believe in. Why do they try so hard to convince the rest of us it’s not real? AJ Gentile on giants, the pyramids and remote viewing. (00:00) Why Does the Science Community Refuse to Admit When They’re Wrong? (04:10) What Do We Know About the Pyramids and Giants? (11:29) Why Would the U.S. Government Suppress the Truth About Giants? (28:27) Is There Physical Evidence of a Great Flood? (32:12) Ancient Civilizations and Their Advanced Technology Paid partnerships with: Hallow prayer app: Get 3 months free at https://Hallow.com/Tucker Black Rifle Coffee: Promo code "Tucker" for 30% off at https://www.blackriflecoffee.com Cowboy Colostrum: Get 25% off your entire order with code TUCKER at https://cowboycolostrum.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

AJ, thank you for doing this. Thanks for happening. You've become huge for a good reason. You want to hear my macro explanation for your success? Honesty is always the first, you know, that's always an honesty, good BS filter. But you expose the deepest truth of all, I think, which is there's a lot of stuff we don't know and we pretend to know. Like things are not, especially the past is not settled, like at all. And there's just a lot that we don't understand.

And I don't understand why we won't admit we don't understand it. Whole parts of science, archaeology, especially, but many others, medicine won't admit that we don't know. What is that? I think people don't like to admit when they're wrong, it would be my guess. I certainly don't. I try to, because I'm wrong a lot. I am too. But we admit it.

And there's something about the scientific community, the so-called mainstream, that just doesn't want to be wrong. Yes. maybe there's a financial aspect to it grants and so forth maybe there's ego involved but i i i think it's nothing more than that it's just it's just a human frailty it turns you into a liar though it does you have to like make the decision is my pride more important or the truth more important and you have to choose truth and i don't think that's common and if you're if you need a grant from the government yeah you need to put in that grant application what's going to get you paid, what's going to keep your research going, even if it's not

exactly what you believe, or even what the evidence shows. Yes. What I don't understand is the extreme hostility against alternate archaeology. Yeah, of course I agree, and I'm hostile to the hostility, but I, like you, I don't actually understand what is that. Why would that be, why is it the default position of the media than anyone who asks questions? about obvious mysteries is maligned. Like, what is that?

I don't know. I think we should, as a species, be interested in pursuing things we don't know. Yes. And be open to any theory, any theory. Of course. I mean, Isaac Newton was wrong about so many things, but he was right for a good amount of while. Exactly. He was wrong about the philosopher's stone, but he got some stuff right.

But when someone like Graham Hancock, whose work I admire, I don't agree with all. of it, but I admire his tenacity and persistence. To call him a racist, it was like, you're calling him a racist now? That was when ancient apocalypse season one came out, he became, I forget it was in a UK paper, it was the most dangerous show on television because he was promoting white supremacy

because these ancient civilizations had to be white, which he never says. He's married to a woman of color. He never says any of that. that, but that became the narrative that he's a racist, and then they tried to get that show bold. What? Yes.

Oh, gosh, I didn't. I interviewed him once. I thought it was the most interesting thing I've ever heard. And, huh, that's amazing. But why would you do that? Why would you make up a slur like that to destroy someone who's studying the, you know, some events that happened presumably thousands of years ago, the past, who's an archaeologist? Why is he a threat to you?

I'm not really sure. That's sinister though if you think about it. It is. Someone like Zahiwas is certainly infamous in Egyptology. And there was one time I don't remember when it happened where Graham was going to debate Zai about their theories. Zai refused. He walked out and said, I don't even want to hear what you have to say.

Okay, so for people who do, and I don't want to confuse anyone watching. So let's just start at the beginning. We're talking about Egyptology in the specific case, the pyramids, the tombs. What do we know about the pyramids? What do we actually know rather than what we've been told? But what can we be certain of? Be certain of.

I don't think we can be certain of anything. Like, we can't be certain of when they were built. Some of them we can. But the pyramids are strange because it seems like the ones that were built earlier are more perfect than the later pyramids which suggests that maybe certainly

I subscribe to the theory that the Egyptians did not build like the period like Kufu I think they found that I think they found that and then tried to replicate it later on and couldn't quite get it right

why don't we know when they were built you can't really can't carbon date it but what about the mummies we found inside all the pyramids I've never found a mummy in a pyramid. What? No, we've never found a mummy in a pyramid. I thought the mummies were from the pyramids.

No, they're not. No mummies have been found in a pyramid. Maybe they were placed in certain structures later on, like Valley of the Kings and so forth. But like the great pyramid of Giza, no mummy's been found there. There's a giant box in the king's chamber that's said to be a sarcophagus,

but it's not the right shape or size for a mummy. Oh. So there are no organic objects found in the Great Pyramid, for example, that would suggest when it was built? No organics, no. Oh. But there are strange things about the pyramid, like chemical residue at certain openings shafts that suggest maybe the pyramid had other uses that are really not acceptable to mainstream. Of the objects that have been found in the pyramids in the tomb, are there any that we can't explain? any that we can't explain?

I don't think so. There's a lot of objects that we are not allowed to see. Still? Still, sure. I mean, look at the Smithsonian, I think, has a billion artifacts. We're not allowed to see hardly any of those. They kind of just swoop in and just take those. So I don't think there's any unexplainable objects.

Can you petition the Smithsonian to see artifacts? Sure. but you're not going to be able to do that. Spiconia is a weird organization. Throughout the history of the organization, we have records of them receiving bones of giants and artifacts that are kind of hard to explain. We have records of them receiving it,

but then they lose them or they deny ever having them. And the Smithsonian, which is a government institution, is exempt from a lot of law. Like, not too long ago, law was passed that if any museums are in possession of tribal, like Native American artifacts, specifically funeral artifacts, there to be returned to the tribes.

Bones, yeah. Anything, anything, anything, except the Smithsonian. They don't have to do that. May I ask, okay, so a couple things, but I just, I don't want this to slip by. So you're referring to the claim that the Nephilim as described in Genesis 6, this race of giant people who are hybrid between the spirit world and the human world, and they're the reason that God sent the flood. This is all described in Genesis.

They were giants. They were great men of old, I think is the phrase. The claim from some people is that's actually real and the fossil record proves it's real because giant bones, human bones, have been found through the years and that some. or a lot of them wind up in the Smithsonian, where their existence was suppressed. Yes. And you're saying there's actually documentary evidence that may be true? Yes, there's documentary evidence that the Smithsonian has received bones and large coffins from not that long ago. We're talking maybe the 50s or 60s.

And as recently as the 80s, people have been trying to get access to this information, but they're stonewalled or they just don't have it. And there was one case where the Smithsonian said, yes, we did receive the bones, but we don't know where they are. Well, if you received human bones that were larger than any human bones ever described in literature ever, other than Genesis 6, kind of a big story, right? Yeah. Yeah. And you see that story repeated over and over again, especially in America, for hundreds of years. Even native tribes have stories about giants, having wars with giants, driving giants across the country to a famous one is the Lovelock Cave, which is in California. These are the red-headed giants. And red hair has been found in that cave and giant sandals and clothing that is enormous. Actually?

Yes. On display. But it's always an explanation. No, it's symbolic. It's allegory or whatever it is. But that's not what the native people are. people say. They say that this was a cannibalistic tribe

that they cornered in a cave and sealed it and set them on fire essentially. And if you go to that cave, there is residue of the fire. There is one tribal leader who wore strands of red hair in her clothing for years. Good look her up.

She's pretty famous. And this is pre-Columbus's landing. That incident maybe, maybe not. It would be hard to say. It's just hard to see why red-headed people would be on the North American continent.

I mean, talking about like Neanderthal DNAs. Yeah, I mean, why would they be red-headed? Like, none of the people we believe lived on this continent before the Europeans arrived were red-headed. They were all dark-haired. True, but if it's giants, then this is DNA that's still a little different than ours. So maybe that's what they were. Has this ever been tested by anybody? No.

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about G.E. Kincaid who explored the Grand Canyon. This is the early 1900s, I think, like 1908, 1909. And his story ended up in the Arizona Gazette, where he was kind of rolling down the Colorado River, and he finds these steps that go into a hole in the side of the canyon. And he goes, and he explores it, and he's kind of mapping it. And inside he finds, basically the remains of an ancient city, artifacts, a giant statue that kind of looks like Buddha, but not quite, hieroglyphics, that kind of look Egyptian, but not quite.

And he comes out and he's putting together an expedition, and when it's time to go back and explore, he never shows up. And that story was in the papers. What bothers me about that one, it's one of the mysteries that I really wish I knew, is that you can find, you can find that opening in the Grand Canyon and it's covered with an iron gate. And above that area of the canyon is a no-go zone. You cannot go there, you can't walk there. But some people have, some people have. And you can see embedded into the top of the cliff there,

iron hooks and equipment that would be used maybe to repel down the side of the cliff. but when you do go there, suddenly white planes will appear and you can't fly over the Grand Canyon, but these white unmarked planes... Can't fly over the Grand Canyon? No. And black helicopters will appear, and you can't do that over the Grand Canyon.

You can see this episode on my channel where I links to the full video of these people going up there and there are the helicopters and there's the plane. And eventually there, park rangers or whatever, throw them off the process. property. That bothers me. You think? And nobody will tell us why. So I've never heard any of that before, but as a general matter, there's very clearly a coordinated longstanding effort by the

U.S. government, specifically U.S. government, to bat away speculation about the past. Yes. And to shut down any thinking about whether or not the things we're looking at could be supernatural in any way. They're all natural phenomenon. That's what we know. But anything that suggests like supernatural is just ruthlessly put down. I wouldn't see giants as supernatural. That's, that's, that's an animal, that's a creature, that's a mammal. That's, right. So I don't know why that is so dangerous. I don't, I don't either. I mean, but that's kind of the question. Like, you see the truth in the reaction, I guess is what I'm saying. Like, why would you, why do you care? Right. For how long,

you know, how long were the Clovis people were the first people in America? And that was, if you said that anyone was here before them, you were ridiculed, but we keep finding artifacts that are older and older and thousands of years older. And of course, nobody from the Pacific could have made it to the Americas that long ago, but that's been proven that tribes in East Ecuador

on the Atlantic side have DNA from Polynesian people. That goes back thousands of years. So there has been contact, of civilizations going back as far as we can remember. Clearly. And we know that from sacred art, ancient art on, you know, five different continents. We see the same images, the bird man, the purse. Yes. So, I mean, I think you've done work on this.

And it's like, what is the explanation for that? How could people living on separate continents before transatlantic communication come up with precisely the same images? Clearly, they're responding to something that they're all seeing. Yes, they are. must be communicating. So what is that? The birdman, for example, this image, which is throughout Latin and North America, also Europe, also Africa, also the Near East, also the Far East, it's a sacred image carved on walls on pottery of a bird face man with wings. What is that? How do they

all think of it, Easter Island? Easter Island is also very, very strange. The birdman, I think, Boy, I can get really woo-woo with this. It could be a metaphor for a sky god. Or an angel. Or an angel. Looks a lot like the angels described in the Old Testament, just saying. It does. And there are plenty of passages in both Old and New Testament.

And even in apocryphal works like Book of Enoch, we're describing angels, but describing them a way that sound kind of like the bird man or sound almost like an alien entity. I think it was maybe the book of Daniel describes a man who's glowing with topas. And Elijah was taken up to heaven. No one's allowed to mortally go to heaven, but he was taken and shown. And Ezekiel talks all about visions of this futuristic city that he thought was going to be a new temple of Solomon, but it sounds like a city.

And in, uh, that's after he describes UFOs as wheels in the sky and all that. Those are the wheel, but that shows up over and over again. And Enoch is also taken up by Uriel and shown how the winds are made. And he describes the heavens in ways that we were not supposed to know at that time. So there's some, there's something to it. Our religions have these. If the Vedic texts have very similar stories to these, where Arjuna goes up to seize the heavens and sees these flying vehicles that were called Vamana,

that Vamana are described in such detail that they described the technology of how they worked with rotating mercury and engineering specifications in texts that are the 1,000 BC. Same with Buddhist Hindu. It's all very similar stories. Coming back to the pyramids. Yes.

So we don't know when they were built. We, because how could we know? but the Egyptian government and the archaeological community is totally vested in telling us they know exactly when these were built. But in point of fact, we don't know and can't know. No mummies have been found in the pyramids. I didn't know that until you told me. But critically, from my perspective, it was like, how were they built? Do we know?

We don't really know. The conventional story is ramps and pulleys. Right. But, you know, I think it's been mathematically shown that the amount of, ramps and pulleys and equipment that you would need to build the pyramids would exceed the weight of the pyramids themselves. I mean, how long does the ramp have to be to go up? I mean, it just doesn't make any sense. No one can really explain it. And the precision of how these stones were cut, we can only barely match it now. And this is supposed to be bronze age.

Yes. Done with bronze. Soft metal. Soft metal. Cutting the hardest granite. in the world. It defies explanation, but that's the explanation. And why is the pyramid made of all these different materials? Why not just make it out of the whatever sandstone you have lying around? Why bring in tour limestone? Why use rose granite in certain places? I didn't know that.

Rose granite is very special because it's highly piezoelectric, meaning if you apply pressure to it, it creates voltage. So that's one of the theories about the pyramid is the grand gallery leading up to the king's chamber is lined with rose granite. You don't see it anywhere else in the pyramid. So that's highly conductive. The exterior of the pyramid was covered in tour limestone, which is an insulator. So you have the structure that's almost designed like an electricity generator. And then you have the queen's chamber and some other shafts where there's chemical residue, then when combined, create an enormous amount of hydrogen gas that then flows up through the Grand Gallery,

expands, creates electricity with this rose granite, which ionizes the air, and then at the time there were these slats, 24 slats of wood that would create sound, which would amplify. And what strange is, leading from the Grand Gallery into the King's Chamber is a small hole. I forget what it was. Maybe it's six, three by six. It just happens to be the right size to be a wave guide for hydrogen atoms. So those flow then into the King's Chamber, and this resonates at a frequency.

I think it's 440 Hertz. It's like an F sharp. And then above the King's Chamber is a stone called a relieving stone. And this is said to help relieve the pressure coming from the top of the pyramid. The thing is it doesn't connect to anything. It's perfectly flat on the bottom, but it's chipped on the top, almost as if someone was tuning, chipping away, almost like a tuning fork, to get the right frequency.

Now, I'm not saying that's what it is. I'm just saying there's a lot of science there that makes you wonder, why go through all this trouble for a tomb? And there's no writing in there. There's no writing in the Great Britain? No, there's no, there's no writing in there. There was some writing found in expedition, I think it was in the 80, where a robot was sent in, they found a door with copper handles, which are not supposed to be there.

Then the other side of the door were, it looked like hieroglyphics, but they were not. And that eventually was suppressed. And the explanation was, well, that was like the signature of the masons who built it or something like that. Well, let's have a look at that footage. Well, you can't really get a hold of that. What? There's all these strange things about the pyramid that we just can't go. We can't dig.

I don't know if you saw my episode on the labyrinth at Hawara, but that one really bothers me because that's an ancient legend that goes back to Herodotus, and even before, talked about this labyrinth in Hawar. It's about 50 miles from Cairo. This labyrinth was enormous, 3,000 rooms. And the priest said this was built by the ancients, the ancient kings.

Oh, you mean the pharaohs? And they said, no, no, the ones before. from Zeptepe, which was the first time. Well, the labyrinth was talked about by Herodotus, by Pliny, by Strabo, by all these famous historians. It's there, it's there, it's there, it's bustling, and eventually just sort of disappears from history and becomes a legend. Well, it gets rediscovered at thin, the early, like late 19th century. During the colonial period. Yes.

But we're not allowed to dig or go down there. But recent technology like ground penetrating radar, LiDAR from space, shows that there's stuff down there. The explorer found it thought he found the foundation of the labyrinth, and was very excited about it. It turned out what he found was the roof. So the LIDAR is showing these giant spaces underneath the ground that are feet thick of heavy granite with all these spaces in between.

and in the center of this giant atrium is a 150-foot metallic ring that nobody can explain. And boy, I'd like permission to dig or see what's down there. And the tragedy is the water table is eroding all of that away. And geologists are saying, look, we have to do, we have to preserve this because this is going to be gone in 100 years or 200 years. We can't stop. The answer is no. can't dig we're not going to prevent the water from eroding it leave it be the in curiosity about the monuments ancient monuments in egypt is pretty shocking i mean it was only when the french showed up

briefly that we got the rosa stone and figured out what hieroglyphics were and it was only under the british that any of this was excavated howard carter was british who found king tut's tomb it's like and then the brits leave after the second world war and it's like not really a huge effort to find out anything else. Like, what is that? Is it Egyptian national pride? I don't know. These things are more important than any nation. Of course. So I don't know. But do you think the Egyptian government, which is the second largest recipient of USAID, maybe that's related in some way, has actively covered up information about its monuments? Yes. We have evidence of it. Tell me. there's i think i think it was called the tomb of the birds was discovered not too long ago i forgot

the scientists i wish i remembered his name but i recently did an episode on him i just discovered this ancient tomb these these caverns in in egypt he there i mean it's it's sprawling and it's clearly man-made and there's there's artifacts and there's there's writing this all these kinds of things and he does the right thing and reports it to the authorities well he's banned from the country and uh what yeah it's thrown out he's banned from the country can no longer do any research and zaiwas says oh he always knew that was there and um who who did you serve for you zah zahua zaiwas once again um he was in he was the his title was something like this the supreme leader of the council of egyptian antiquities some crazy title and he's still running interference he's supposedly retired he still

runs interference and there's video of him repelling down into the caves kind of exploring them saying look at what i've discovered so what do you think the motive is there some of that is ego um yeah i don't know the deeper political motives i really don't know whether it's egypt or our government i i don't know but i but it bothers me so what do you think um since we don't know anything like the basic questions if this were we were writing a police report we'd have to leave every line blank because we just don't know when was it built who built it how did they build it unknown unknown unknown so since you know a great deal about this topic hypothesize for a minute what do you think this is i think the clearest evidence comes from um maybe robert shock's work john anthony west

and certainly randall arnold carlson at the erosion patterns at the base of the sphinx you've heard about yes yes which clearly shows water water and a lot of it a lot of water moving at high speed for a long time, which would indicate a great flood. And I think all of these stories kind of go back to the one the story, which is the story of the Great Flood, that probably connects to the end of the Younger Dryas, whether that's the Greenland Impact Theory or a solar event or whatever it is. Something happened that caused worldwide floods and eroded that sphinx, means it was there 13,500 years ago or older. These would be the floods that the Old Testament says were sent to eliminate the Nephilim.

Correct. Or there's another story of Udna Pishdam. I don't know if you know him. He's from Gilgamesh. And his story goes like this. One of the gods, Anki, who you may know as an Ananaki god, Anki tells him to Pishnam, a flood is coming to reset mankind. I want you to build a boat.

Here are the specifications. Take your family on the boat. Take the animals on the boat. The floods come. He's saved. He releases a dove and a raven. He finds land. He lands on a mountain.

He offers a sacrifice. And he's granted immortality with God. And that story sounds awfully familiar. It does indeed. And tell me again, where is this story? That's in Gilgamesh. Oh, that's in Gilgamesh? How did I miss that?

It's because it's a small part of it. You know, Gilmish is a heroic epic. Yeah, yeah. This is, you know, a side story. But it's interesting that it's telling the story of Noah. Right down to the dove and the raven. That's wild. The only thing different is I think they're reversed.

And I think a dove comes back with the olive branch or something in Noah. Is there physical evidence around the world of a great flood? Yes, all over the place. Carlson's work is fascinating about the erosion pattern. all across Africa that show the if you look at it from high in the sky, it looks like these kind of just waves across the landscape, but these waves are 30 feet high. So these are,

this is three-story buildings indicating an immense amount of water, millions and millions of gallons of water per second just rushing across the landscape. And we see that across Africa, a desert. What about in the continentally United States? States? Not as much. I, you know, I could be wrong about that because the ice sheets would have come from the North American continent. So how they get to Africa, I'm not exactly sure. But we certainly have evidence of the glaciers moving and retreating very quickly in the United States. I mean, that's how Long Island was made in other parts. Of course. I mean, the whole country was sculpted by

them not that long ago. Yes. Maine was covered them 11,000 years ago. Right. It's like, Yesterday. Right. The pyramids were there. They were there. Yeah. I mean, Gobeckley-Tepi is another thing that we can't explicitly. Go-Bekly-Tepi is pre-flood.

This is a prediluvian structure. I'm not supposed to have... Where is it? In Turkey. That's where all the good stuff is in Turkey. Tell us what that is. Gobeckley-Tepi is an ancient site. It's about 13,000 years old.

Could be wrong on the day, but I'm pretty close. And it's... It's pillars arranged that align with astrological formations, that align with the seasons, they're carved with intricate designs, animals, writing, all kinds of stuff. And we're not supposed to have, we're supposed to be a hunter-gatherers

with spears and buffalo at this point, not building these immense structures. And what's really strange about Gobeckley-Tepi... That's not a hunter-gatherer behavior. No, it is not. That's very sophisticated behavior. It appears that it was buried intentionally. I can't explain why, but maybe it was someone knew something was coming and we need to protect this site.

But that's very strange. That's not even the oldest structure we found. The Karantepi is even older than Quebec. So how? Well, 2026 is likely to be the year that some companies will find patriotism. They'll discover it. During the Biden years, corporate America thought hating our country was the thing to do. So they did it.

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that created these are just completely false. Like, this is not hunter-gatherer, primitive agrarian, whatever they're telling you people had for civilizations 13,000 years ago, it's not true. Because if you're cutting stone with that level of precision, barely achievable now, we don't understand your technology very well, right?

Certainly not, because you look at Stonehenge, which came thousands of years later, it's an amazing place, but it's stones in a circle. Yeah, now they're aligned perfectly and all of that. It's certainly a wonder of the world. But if you look at Stonehenge compared to Gobeckley-Tepepe, it's Stonehenge looks, it's almost like kids made this with clay. Gobeckley-Tepi is a work of art.

It's unbelievable. Petra and Jordan. Yes. You know, it's miles down a wadi down a box canyon and totally inhospitable. You get to the end of the box canyon and there's this like most evolved, intricate series of buildings carved into the cliff sides. Like there's not a stone mason on planet Earth right now who could do that. That's right. Period.

It's like, what's that? Who did that? And they're like, oh, well, you know, our ancestors did it. How do they do that? Oh, was sandpaper or something, slaves? No. that's not true? No, that's not how it happened.

So as you push forward a little bit on this stuff, you get to the question of technology. Like, what was the technology that built all this stuff? It wasn't bronze hands tool, hand tools. No. They will say that it was, they poured water or sand over the stone and used some type of mechanism to grind it away.

They did it with abrasives. With abrasives. but there's no evidence of that. These stones are polished. They're immaculate. Some of the stones inside the structures are polished so well that they're like mirrors. So abrasives can't do that. I mean, I've seen them.

And I just, but I was lulled to sleep by the lies that like, you know, it's just incredible. It's like, how many man hours would that take? Right. About a billion. Right. Like this just didn't happen that way. So do we have, is there any hint? to what the technology was that these civilizations possessed.

Only legends. There are legends of acoustic levitation that are found in a lot of different cultures. What's acoustic levitation? Specifically Buddhist. There's even a British scientist who has allegedly filmed this where Buddhists would sing and play instruments at a certain frequency that would cause objects to levitate.

And that's part of the legend of how these megaliths were built was some type of sound waves allowed them to lift these objects and place them perfectly into place. What's a megalith? A giant stone. Giant stone. So there are giant stones around the world that are so large. Again, there's no modern stone cutting that produces stones that big.

There is not. There's nothing even going to go to New York Public Library or whatever granite building you think is impressive. And it's nothing compared to these stones. Right. And you can pick at the mortar between those bricks, and it's kind of slipshod compared to the things that were, you know, made thousands of years ago. So I'm just saying the same thing over and over, but like, how could you not look at that and ask questions? I, you know, why is Atlantis such a taboo subject with science?

It's because I think it goes back to the same thing we're talking about. So what is Atlantis? What do we know about it? I mean, Atlanta's like a byword for conspiracy theory, but like, what actually is it? we first learned about Atlantis from Plato who talked about in his dialogues Was he a conspiracy theorist? Yes, I think so.

I think so people call him a whack job. And Plato described, the dialogues for Plato, the dialogues, he plays characters where I just call that. So in, I think it's Crettaic, he talks about hearing the story from Solon,

who was like his great-great-un who heard a story from an Egyptian priest, about this ancient land beyond the arms of Hercules, which people think is probably there are a rock of Gibraltar, and it's a large continent larger than India,

and it's populated by advanced people, and there's a cataclysm, and it goes underwater, and he describes concentric rings and waterways, and all this technology, if you want to call it that. And what's interesting about the land is

a lot of people don't talk about this, is in Cretacea, too, which is Plato's telling of it, he's writing about Atlantis and he stops mid-sentence. And that's the end of it. There's no more. There's no more writing about Atlantis. So that's the earliest story we have of it. And there are strange structures around the world that could indicate maybe Atlantis. The Eye of the Sahara is a very interesting structure. I don't think that's it. It's also called the Reshot structure. I don't know if you've seen this. It's in Western Africa.

If you look at it, it's concentric rings. Is it underwater? No. And it's a concentric rings, and it looks like it fits the description. Now, someone like Randall Carlson, who's a paleo-hydrologist, which I learned was a thing, says it's not. And I tend to believe him because it's built more like a dome. And it's been above water for millions of years.

So it's probably not it. But it's worth looking at. But there are places like Bimini Road, which are very hard to explain. That's in the Bahamas. That's long, these are right angles that are submerged underwater. There's something that looks like a city buried under Cuba that's definitely been there for 20,000 years. In the water? Underwater.

And the Yanaguni Monument off of Japan, we've got these giant. It's an amazing thing. These are all right angles. In shallow water. Yes. In shallow water. It's like an underwater temple off Japan. and like 12 feet of water or something.

You can dive it, yeah. But no, but it's, if you start talking about these things, you're, you're a kook. And that's on video and you can watch it. And the official position, correct me, please, if I'm wrong, but the official position of the Japanese government is rock formations. Yes, rock, that's it. Rock formation. It's natural.

No. No. Like it's this elaborate, non-natural, non-random, non-random building. I'll give you one right angle. I'll let you have one right angle. I won't let you have two. I can't. Well, there are a lot, but there's a lot.

And this was discovered pretty recently by like fishermen or something. It was. It's just absolutely amazing. Okay, so here's what we've established. We've established that our view of prehistory is completely just wrong because the physical remains of these civilizations prove our theory is wrong. This couldn't happen. we know that world governments, not simply ours, but others Japanese in this case,

seem to be very committed to stopping questions about this, halting curiosity, shaming people, maybe worse. So is it fair to say that there were civilizations as, in some ways, as advanced as ours tens of thousands of years ago? I can't make that leap. I'd like to, but I can't make that leap because I feel like there would be evidence of that. and I think this is where Graham Hancock gets criticized unfairly because he's never said that there's been, you know, Atlanteans with flying ships or anything like that.

All he said is we may have been more advanced than we've been led to believe, and it deserves some more explanation. Well, that's obviously true. I mean, like, it's not a linear progression. So, like, the history that I learned always interested in history is that you had this kind of flowering civilization in the West, China's different story, but in the West centered at Athens and then Rome. and then Rome fell in the fifth century and you had this thing called the Dark Ages

where we stopped building aqueducts and steam baths and then it reemerged during the Renaissance but basically it was like a linear progression from the caves to the moonshot you know just like technology building on itself human civilization becoming ever more complex but it was in a straight line that's just clearly not true

no and certainly not in Egypt's where we have basically nothing, and then suddenly we have hieroglyphics and astronomy and all and mathematics. Everybody knows a Pythagorean theorem. Everybody knows that. Pythagoras learned that in Egypt. That's, he's correct. He's credited with that, but that's Egyptian.

Yeah, Alexandria Library. That's correct, yes. So, um, okay. Which leads us back to Aristotle, which is back to Plato. Just to be clear, the current occupants of Egypt, the Egyptians are not, I don't think, related to the ancient Egyptians. Is that fair to say? I think they are.

They are? I think genetically, certainly. They are. I don't know why I thought that. I think so. I think so. I think so. Okay.

But civilization can certainly go backward, like, much farther backward than medieval Europe went from Rome. Certainly. We've got a new partner. It's a company called Cowboy Colostrum. It's a brand that is serious about actual health. And the product is designed to work with your body, not against your body. It is a pure and simple product, all natural.

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25% off when you use that code, Tucker at cowboyclostrum.com. Remember you mentioned, you heard it here first. The pyramids have been not that explored, as noted, but ground penetrating radar has been applied recently to the Great Pyramid. Yes. I think from an airplane, but maybe that's wrong. And satellite. Satellite, okay.

And the headline for like one day was, holy smokes, massive chambers discovered under Great Pyramid of Giza. What is that? Is that real? I'm skeptical of it. I'm hopeful, but I'm skeptical. That Italian group has not been peer-reviewed as of yet. I think they're seeking it.

So I don't, you know, it's kind of one of those clickbait stories where they, when you actually see the images, it's really just colored stripes. But then when it lands in the news, it's these pillars with spirals and all this magical stuff. That's not what I see in the data. you know, maybe it is there. We know that the Great Pyramid has strange properties. We know there's, there is space down there. There's space all underneath the plateau.

We know that. We know that for sure. Are these natural caverns? I, no, I don't think so. You know, there's been, there's been legends about the chambers under the Sphinx that go back a long time. And, you know, if you want to get very woo-wooed, about it, there's been psychics who've explored that, someone like Edgar Casey, who's a famous psychic,

who said that's where the Hall of Records is stored, which is interesting because that connects back to the labyrinth as well, which some people think could be the actual Hall of Records. But I mean, I'll tell you a very strange story about Dorothy Eadie, if you have a moment. I do have a moment, and I love strange stories. Dorothy Edie was, she's born early 1900s in England. She's a troubled child.

She's unhappy all the time. She's taken to the British Museum when she's three or four years old. And they go to the Egyptian section. She suddenly lights up. And she runs over to the mummy of, I think it's Ramsey's. And she says, I know him. And they think she's a wacky kid. She's still kind of despondent.

She gets a book from her dad about ancient Egypt, and she's going through it, and she says she recognizes all these places, Temple of Setti and Abidos, all these things. And she starts studying at the British Museum, and for some reason she takes the hieroglyphics very, very quickly, and ancient languages very, very quickly. She claims that she's a reincarnated Egyptian priestess

that worked and lived in Abidon, thousands of you, during that Fourth Dynasty, something like that. She eventually goes over to Egypt and she shows up and she says, I'm reincarnated Egyptian person. Of course you are. She's, I can prove it.

They take her to these tombs or underground chambers and they say, oh, show us around. And she says, let's go. And she says, this is where the gardens were. This is where the fountain was. This is where this was. She's so good at this that the Egyptian authorities take her on staff with antiquities. And she's able to describe and detail all of these ancient places that nobody knows anything about.

This is a reincarnation story. Yet she is embedded in the scientific community. She is invaluable to Egyptian research, so much so that at that time you were forced to retire at age 65. And this is a woman, by the way, working in the 50s and 60s in Egypt. She's allowed to stay on until she wants to retire. because she's invaluable to the research. She says that underneath the Sphinx is where we're going to find all sorts of tombs and artifacts of Nefertiti and all these famous people.

She says they're down there. I don't know, but her story is very compelling to me. All right. Well, so I mean this is like one of these speculations you could probably prove if you tried. Yes. We lack the technology to dig now? Can't dig. But we certainly have ground penetrating radar.

Yes. Presumably if that was employed by the Egyptian authorities, you know, over time, you could get a pretty detailed picture of what's underneath, no? Well, like with Hawara, their labyrinth, they didn't see permission to scan it. They just did. The permission has to come, but you still have to get your hands in the dirt. So we can scan all we want, but unless permission's granted to dig, we're just not going to know. And what would be the rationale for not allowing people to,

pursue their curiosity and science and all that like again i don't know with the hawara labyrinth the excuses if we disrupt the site then there's um there's a canal there it will disrupt the local agriculture which is very important to that region so we can't disrupt the farm the farmers okay that's that's the reason and the great pyramids why we can't dig i don't know but we shouldn't we should also acknowledge that there is exploration happening. I mean, I think Pharaoh Tupman's the second was just discovered a few weeks ago in the Valley of the King.

So people are looking. I just, I don't think they're looking exactly in the right places. There was a disc found in a tomb in Egypt maybe 100 years ago that looks to be, it's made out of basalt, it's made of stone,

but it looks, it's the most modern thing you've ever seen. And I would encourage people to look it up if you're on your phone right now. we'll just look up Egyptian tomb disc. And it looks like an impeller maybe in a motor, an electric motor. But clearly, that was not created by a primitive civilization. No.

It's the most precisely, first of all, how do you machine basalt, okay? It's not hand-carved, obviously. Look at it. What's the explanation for that? I don't think there is one. I don't think there is one. I would like to know how they carve that. Basalt would be lava rock, igneous rock, the hardest rock on earth.

I don't. Oh, is it the hardest? Well, it's not like diamond, but copper's not going to get through that. Yeah. And it's so precise. It's perfect. It's perfect. And you look at it for about 15 seconds, you're like, no, no, no.

Ancient culture did not make that. At least the ancient cultures should have been described to me. Not just the machining, but the mathematics. I mean, it's perfect. Well, that's a good point. The design. Huh. Okay.

So do we have any hint of the energy? So clearly the missing piece here is energy. The megaliths, including the ones in the United States, the massive structures in the American Midwest and in Florida, earth and earthworks. These are not built. The math doesn't work on the number of man hours required to build any of this stuff. A lot of the temples in Latin America,

anchor watt. Like, clearly it's not just somebody, with a bronze knife making the stuff. It's not. Naimadal is another one. That's Polynesia also. The tons, they almost look like Lincoln logs,

but they're 10, 20 tons. They're huge. No one knows how they could have been put into place. They still stand. They still stand. We don't know when they were built or how long ago. But if you look at it from the air,

you can see they had a sewer system. They devised a way to get fresh water through this whole society, but nobody knows who built this. So why? Or why? The why could just be, we live here. Right.

What's interesting is sewer system, fresh water. So this is a long time before Roman aqueducts. Yes. But there they are. So what the explanation lacks is an energy source. It's not just biceps. And does, has anyone put forward a reasonable hypothesis on that? I mean, it depends how you'd,

defined reasonable. Of course it does plausible, I guess is what I would say. Plausible? Nothing that satisfies me. The copper doesn't work. The abrasives don't work for me. Acoustic levitation I like, but it's really hard to prove. Acoustic levitation is a thing. You can't levitate things with sound. That is proven. Giant stones, we can't do that. But just because we can't doesn't mean someone else could. Are you sure we can't? I guess it's another way of putting. it would be, are you convinced that the U.S. government is totally transparent about energy? No, no, I think they're totally opaque about energy.

Really? Oh, yes. I think the U.S. government probably has unlocked zero point or close to zero point energy, which would be pulling energy out of the vacuum. We have inventors that have done that over and over and over. making energy apparently nothing well we could start with there was someone there's a man named Charles Pogue who in the 30s

tinkered with his carburetor and was able to get 200 miles a gallon and it's proven it was engineers investigated scientists totally proven it worked it he was going to be a zillionaire whatever he's going to transform society

and the problem was once the news of his engine got out the oil stocks crash They just crashed. So the oil industry lobbied the U.S. government, we have to do something about this. And in 1951, the Invention Secrecy Act was passed. So now, if you patent any device that is more than 20% efficient, that's instantly classified. That is now a state secret.

What? It's vital to national security. You can't talk about it. You can't build it. And you can't sell it unless you sell it. unless you sell it to the U.S. military. You cannot do it. That went on for a while.

Then there was a man named Tom Ogle. And Tom is, this is the 70s now. He accidentally rewires his lawnmower engine to take the exhaust and pump it back into the carburetor. And this thing runs on a gallon of gas for 78 hours or something like that. So he reconfigures his car. was like a 1976 Ford Galaxy, you know, like a boat. And he's getting 200 miles to the gallon on the thing.

He's offered a billion dollars from an oil-producing country. Shell oil offers him $25 million for the patent that he considers, but they're going to shelve it. So he says, no. It's considered maybe one of the biggest inventions of the century. Suddenly, Tom, without a history of drug use, stumbles out of a bar. He's drunk and he's killed.

That's the end of Tom Ogoe's story, and that all disappears. All that research goes away. And this repeats over and over and over again, till we get to Stanley Meyer. And you might remember Stanley Meyer and the water car, because this is in 1990s now. So now we have a vehicle that doesn't even, we're not even talking about fossil fuels

and protecting a multi-trillion dollar industry. We've got a car that runs on water using electrolysis, which has been around since the 1700s. But electrolysis requires a lot of energy and perfect water without impurities. But Stanley's figured out how to take tap water, put it into his car, and run his car on water. And what it does is splits the water into hydrogen, oxygen runs in hydrogen.

Hydrogen is a fuel. It works. And it works, and he drives it all over the place. It's all over the news. Engineers look at it. They say, this is the invention of the century. This changes everything. He's offered a billion dollars and millions of dollars, and everyone wants his engine.

and he's sitting at, I think he's sitting at a cracker barrel with his brother and some investors. And they raise a glass to toast, new investment, and they go into the future. And they take their toast and Stanley suddenly doesn't feel well. He runs outside. He starts vomiting. His brother chases after him says, what's going on? And Stanley says, they poison me. And he dies.

And in the medical examiner's report, it says he died of an accident. aneurism. But if you read the report, you can tell the medical examiner didn't really like that, because he wrote some other stuff like, oh, he said he was poison, but toxicology doesn't really show it, but he says he died of an aneurysm. And that technology is now gone. The patent's useless because Stanley faked the numbers because he didn't trust the government because he had another invention that most people don't know about before his water car, which was this toroid ring, a torrid is a donut, this donut-shaped ring that he invented that created energy out of nothing and levitated.

But he patented it and got hit with a secrecy act and they made his life miserable. But people started to learn about that. And that brings us, there are other inventors in between T. Tom and T. Tom's and Brown inventes this anti-gravity technology. He runs into all kinds of bad luck. All these men have their research stolen,

they're broken into, They're carrying guns. They're threatened. They're disappearing. It happens over and over and over again. I have an episode on this. It's very sad. And we get to Floyd Suite, Floyd Sparky Sweet.

He's my favorite because his inventions, he videotaped all of his stuff. And you see him in his workshop. And Sparky, he's an engineer. He's a garage tinkerer, but he's an engineer. And this was supervised by the military physicists, maybe it was a mistake. And you see him running a fan at high RPMs, and then he's

got light bulbs, all of this energy, and it's all running off this little box the size of a deck of cards. And he puts in 0.03 kilowatts, and he gets out all the watts you want. It's a device that, no matter

what you attach to it, it just, whatever the need is, it will give you the energy. This is sparky sweet. This actually connects to UFO technology. I don't know if we'll go there, but it does connect. So Sparky's got this invention. He gets some help from military physicist.

Gets a visit late one night to men in suits, come talk to him, say good night. He has a heart attack. Ambulance comes. They grab Sparky. The wife is not allowed in the ambulance. He dies. Soon after, a couple of black vans pull up. They take all his stuff, all his notes.

notes, every piece of equipment, and it just disappears. And that's the last we hear of it. About when was this? I would say this is late 90s. I mean, Stanley Meyer was 1998. So this is recent. Recently, yeah. Sparky may even be more recent than that. Is there evidence the U.S. government is using any of this technology, hyper-efficient, you know, anti-gravity, levitation, any of this stuff in like military technology?

I mean, you can argue that the Go Fast video, the Tic-Tac, some of these could be that I tend to think they are. So there was a kind of tantalizing, almost kind of shocking admission the other day from the U.S. government that during the Maduro snatch operation in Caracas on January 3rd that the U.S. military used, apparently used directed energy weapons. I don't know that anyone's ever said out loud. I don't know if they said it out loud, but it was, I mean, it was obvious that's what it was. they have been very interested in those since Tesla's research. So tell us what they are. Directed energy weapons,

and with Tesla, he had a few different versions about ionizing air and projecting electricity through the air. He had a few different ways of doing it. And I don't have the science background to explain specifically what it is, but directed energy is just that. You take energy, like a laser would be a directed energy, but using it as a weapon. And Tesla was working on that technology

but what he wanted to do was create free energy for the world, which turned out to be a problem for him. And that's another story. But when he died, so he died, I think it was January 7, 1943. The FBI was there. They were like on top of it. They came way too fast. And all his research, 60, 80 boxes were confiscated by the Office of Alien Property,

which has them to do with extraterrestrials. It's about off his veiling property because he's not a U.S. born, so they come and take his research, although he was a citizen since, I don't know, the 1800s. He'd been a citizen 50 years. So they seize his property, and they send it to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base for a scientist named John Trump to investigate Tesla's research, specifically looking. Later an MIT professor? Yes, later an uncle of a president. And they're specifically looking for D.EWs.

that's the technology they want. They finally return Tesla's boxes. Are you sure it was John Trump who received Tesla's effects? Yes. That's documented. Actually? Yes. But what's...

You know, for a country of hundreds of millions people, we have these weird coincidences. Isn't it strange? And the same families show up over and over? It's probably not the episode to get into the Bush family, but boy, I'd love to one day. Won't do an episode on them. I don't talk about it. about the Bushes of the Clintons on my show, or Mossad. I think you're a wise man.

So the boxes... That's wild. I've talked to Trump about his uncle like 20 times. He's very proud of his uncle. The last point on that. Yeah. 20 boxes are missing and we don't know where they are. That's the last point on that.

We don't know where the boxes are. But you're sure, it was the same John Trump that the president talks about as a long-tenured MIT professor. He talks about him all the time. He brags about him. All the time. Yes. And he was connected to military intelligence.

Huh? Yeah, right. Patterson Air Force Base, the home of Project Blue Book UFO research. So those 20 boxes of Nikolai Tesla's research have never surfaced. They have not. So can you give us, I know many books have been written on this and, you know, famous company was named after Tesla, of course, and all that. But can you just give us the Cliff Snow's version of his life? You said it didn't end well for him.

What did you mean? He was very focused on free energy for the world. He wanted to usher in sort of a new age for humanity, which free energy certainly would do. He was supported by J.P. Morgan was his financier. Tesla was not a good businessman. His rival Edison was. He wasn't as talented, but he was good at playing the business game. Tesla was not.

So Tesla wanted to create free energy. He was supported by JP Morgan. Morgan and said, I'm close. Tesla demonstrated free energy by, he plugged light bulbs into the ground and had them working. So he demonstrated it. And he said to J.P. Morgan, I just need a little bit more money.

And we can, we can put energy for everyone. Could you just tap into it? And J. P. Morgan said, well, if energy comes out of the air, where do we put the meter? You mean free energy, new age of mankind? J.P. Morgan pulls the funding. and funds Edison and Marconi instead. And Tesla's, this is Wardencliff Tower on Long Island where he's doing this research.

He goes in default on the mortgage, they tear it down. He dies in poverty in the New Yorker Hotel in 1943, one of the most brilliant. Across from Penn Station. Yes, it is. One of the grim, now a migrant hotel. Yes, it is. That's where he died. That's where, that's right, room 3327.

That's a crummy place to die. It is. But there's a good white castle downstairs. I don't think anymore. Probably not. Wow. Do we have any sense of what concepts he was working on when he died or what might have been in those 20 missing boxes? It was the directed energy weapons that they really wanted.

There's a good deal of documentation that the military was interested in that. But specifics, no, we don't have that. We just don't know specifically what were in those boxes. His nephew says it was everything to do. with energy. And just for interest sake, John Trump, the uncle of the current president, a longtime MIT professor, is there any evidence that he worked on the OAP question? None that I could find.

But if you're at Wright Patterson in the 40s and 50s, that's Project Blue Book. So that's the home base of UFO research. So whether he's working on it, I can't prove that. certainly passing those guys in the hall. I mean, Blue Book started when 52, so he's involved. He's, you know, he's there. So I keep hearing this phrase remote viewing, which I, I sort of picture in my head what it is. I don't really know what it is. I don't know if it's real or not. The government's involved. What do you know about remote viewing? First, tell me what you think it is. I think remote viewing is, I'm like actually being a little bit false. I have some sense of what it is. It's this, it's the ability to see. see things that are very far from your physical proximity. So, like, close your eyes and you can all of a sudden look into a room a thousand miles away.

I know that I think it's true that CIA worked to evoke this ability in people. But I kind of want to know this state of play. Is that actually real? Do we know that it's real? We know that it's real. Remote viewing started, it probably started, you know, at the beginning of the human race. but remote viewing that we're talking about started 1972 Stanford Research Institute. Russell Targ and Hal put off physicists, scientists.

We're just studying psychic phenomenon. Just, you know, here's a shape on a card, you know, that scene at the beginning of Ghostbusters. This is a star, is a circle. They're doing that sort of thing. And a man walks in, his name is Ingo Swan. He's become a very famous psychic. And at this point, Targan put off for essentially advertising on campus, psychics wanted. So he walks in and says, I'm the best psychic in the world.

So they give him a card to read and he says, give me something hard to do. And I'm like, well, like, what? Send somebody out in the San Francisco Bay area and I'll tell you where they are and what they see. It's like, okay, we'll do that. So they send somebody out. and he just starts to kind of focus and concentrate and he starts to draw. You know, I see, I see, I see a water fountain, but it's, but there's no water in it. I see these circles on the ground.

I see a building. And it turns out you got it all right. They described the pattern of the walkway. There was a fountain there that was not on that particular day. The building was exactly where they said it was. Then they realized, okay, we have something, something different here than, a shape on a card. They said, well, Ingo, where can you go?

And he said, I can go anywhere. Like anywhere? Like anywhere in space and time. I have a whole episode of Ingo remote viewing the moon, but let's stick with this for now. So they test Ingo Swan a few times that Uri Geller was another one they tested who was able to see things inside safes. And there are a few other psychics. Pat Price is my personal favorite.

of Joe McMonicle is a very famous one. But what got CIA's attention was in SR, in at Stanford, buried deep underground was a magnetometer. And this was used to measure perturbations in the Earth's crust to detect nuclear explosions. So this is an important device. It's buried underground, shielded by cement, superconducting, shielding, like you can't,

you can't get to it. Ingo is able to draw what it looks like, and he says, I could even move that needle. I said, go for it. So he moves the needle. Now, they're excited. The experiment works, but that needle moving means a nuclear explosion has been off somewhere. So the CIA government gets involved. They want what's going on?

It's not a nuclear explosion. Oh, we are doing this program. And they say, you're doing what? And they don't really care that he can move a needle. They're worried about he can see inside behind cement. And that means there's no more secrets. So the CIA starts funding this project through various front companies. And all intelligence agencies want to get involved with this.

It comes kind of comes to a peak. This is before Pat gets involved. But it's an interesting story. It's called the Sugar Grove break-in. There's a CIA analyst. There's a bunch of CIA people there. CIA analyst says, here are coordinates. They give to Ingo Swam.

Nobody knows what the coordinates are. The analysts won't tell. The handlers won't tell. Nobody knows. Here are the coordinates. And Ingo does this thing. And he says, I see a guard house. There's a radar, giant radar dish.

And there's a building, it looks like a military. There's accordion roll-up doors. There's jeeps. It's military. some type of military installation. He draws it. The mountains are here, the road's here, and there's the river. Detailed map. This is, that's what I saw.

And they give to the analysts, say, here, is this it? And guys, like, it's not even close. I gave you the coordinates of my vacation house in West Virginia. Then they were like, oh, shit, okay. So that didn't work. But Pat Price comes along,

and Pat Price, maybe the most talented psychic ever. Here, remote views the same, location, sees the same things without knowing anything what Ingo saw. You look at the maps, they're almost identical. Radar Dish, guard tower, roll up doors. But Pat is very talented. He says, I see a building. I'm going into the building. Let me back up for a second. Pat Price, retired police officer from Burbank, always had an intuition to solve crimes. Where's the body? Price knows. Where's the suspect hiding? Price knows. He just thought he had a hunch. But he retired and

started to develop this skill and heard about this program and got involved. So that's Pat Price. So he sees the same things. So now that's clearly not a coincidence. So this is not a log cabin vacation home. What's going on there? So SRI sends someone to the coordinates. They find the vacation.

They found the log cabin. And they're like, but there's a dirt road here about 200 feet. We'll follow the road. And they follow the road down just over the ridge in West Virginia and Sugar Grove. And there's the guardhouse. It's a military installation. And they can't, they can't enter. But they could see there's a radar dish.

The problem was Pat Price went into the building. He said, I see green filing cabinets. All right, Pat, what else? It says, Operation Pool? Okay. He said, I'm going through the folders. Cue ball, cue stick, rack up, eight ball. It's very specific.

It turns out that caused every law enforcement. agency in the country to show up at SRI. And they wanted to know why this weird CIA pet project was spying on the most secret NSA facility in the world, not just secret, but so top secret that even the names of the projects, which were Q ball, rack up all this, were top, top secret. This is a facility to spy on Russian satellites. nobody knew it was there.

The CIA analyst didn't know was there. So Ingo and Pat just their consciousness, they just assumed, well, they don't care about the log cabin. This is the CIA. They obviously want us to look at this. So from then on, every intelligence agency had psychics working, all of them. None of them admitted to it, but they all had psychics working for them. I know that the Iran rescue operation in 1980 had one. Correct. That was Joe McMonicle who found that.

This operation, I think, was leaked by Jimmy Carter in 96, who was giving a talk at a college. And some kid asked him, like, what's the weirdest thing to ever happen when you were president? And he said, you know, in his farmer voice, you know, we had this Russian bomber go down in Africa. And we needed to get there before the Soviets. We didn't know how to do that. But we knew we had this group of like psychics that could see stuff. and they were helping solve because they were involved with the Patty

Patty Hurst kidnapping. They helped find that. But that's not why they reported, but it happened. So they had a remote viewer who was really just like a receptionist that they trained to do this.

So this is an ability that we can all do. She found where that bomber went down and the American military was able to get there before the Russians and retrieve this bomber. This is all documented.

And Carter just kind of let that slip. And that was sort of the end of the public knowing about... That was the whole reveal. It kind of was. It was called Project Stargate at this time. But it was originally Project Scanate and Grill Flame and Center Lane and some other names like that. Project Stargate is the one that everybody knows. So they test Pat Price again.

And they said, rather than spy on ourselves, let's see what he can see on the Soviet side. And Pat draws this. He says, I see a science fiction crane, and he draws it out. It's a big gantry crane, which is like, I don't know, a hundred foot tall crane that sits on a railroad tracks. It's a huge thing. And he draws it and shows it to CIA, and they can't believe it, but it matches aerial photography.

So he sees it. So now they want to know what is this thing. He says, I don't know what it is, but underground are these 60-foot metal, spheres, but they don't work. Nobody knows what they are. It later comes out that they weren't 60 foot spheres, they were 58 feet, and they were containment for nuclear material, but they didn't work. So he saw that. That was Pat Price.

He is so impressed with his work that they say, do you just come and work for us? So they pulled him out of SRI, and he's exclusively working for at that point. He's doing some of his own remote viewing kind of on the side, some espionage. He's looking around. And his most famous one is he remote viewed Mount Hayes, Mount Hayes in Alaska. And he senses consciousness into the mountain.

And he sees inside the mountain tall, thin, alien beings working alongside American military. He sees it inside the mountain. Now, people have gone up there. There's no way in. There's no way out. I can't prove any of it. But this is what he saw. So he takes that information.

He gives it to howl put off. Howell's no longer with Starget at this point. I think it's run by Skip Atwater. Could be wrong, but I think it was Skip. Gives it to skip and Skip passes it along. Just a couple of days later, Pat is in Las Vegas. And he's in the hotel lobby, in front of the elevators, heading up to his room. Someone bumps into him and he feels like a pinch, a pinch on his leg.

Goes upstairs. calls his wife to say good night. She says, you don't sound good. He says, I don't feel well. He says, say good night, and he's found dead the next morning. 58 years old. They called it a heart attack. But no autopsy is done.

Someone comes in with credentials. They say, we'll take it from here. Pat's body's cremated. And then they call his wife and say what happened. And Pat's now buried in an unmarked grave in North Hollywood, which you can find if you want to pay your respects. if that's where Pat is. Pat Price is probably the most talented that there was.

Joe McMonigle is famous. He's still around, by the way. Still remote viewing. He's the one who found a large building, like 100 yards from water in the Soviet Union. And didn't know what they were building in there. He starts sketching a submarine. Like, all right, they're building a sub.

And he says, no, this is different. It's got like two subs together. It's like a twin sub. They're like, what are you talking about? It's a twin-hole sub. He said it's giant. He said, I've never seen anything this big. And they're going to launch it in 120 days.

That's kind of specific. And 118 days later, the Russian typhoon class sub is launched, and it's the largest submarine ever made, and it's a twin-hulled sub. And Joe saw that. Now, he claims his success rate is like 90, 95%. Say he says it's lower than that. But he saw that.

And Joe McMonigal, he's received the order of merit, which I think is the second highest award you can get as a, I think it's the second highest as a civilian from the military. And in his citations for 200 successful missions, 150 of which provided vital intelligence to American operations. But it doesn't say anything more than that. But that's in his official citation. Now, all this kind of comes out, and I think Gates was, I think Gates was DCI at this point.

He goes on TV and says, there's nothing to this Stargate thing. No real intelligence has come from it, and we're shutting it down. And that was kind of the last that happened with Stargate. Publicly. Publicly. I think it continues because the Soviets were trying to do the same thing at the time. and they allegedly got it to work. Now, interestingly, enough Soviet and American remote viewers,

they get together and they teach each other and actually practice. What I find fascinating is they could see not just through space, but through time. So there was one time where Joe McMonicle was given coordinates, and he remote viewed it, and he said, I think about Mars. I said, okay, what do you see? He says, I see these tall, slender beings walking around. Something's going on. There's a problem.

There's species as dying. And he said, I feel like it's a long time ago. And he comes out of his trans, whatever. So the coordinates were Mars. And it said Mars, one million BC. So he saw beings on Mars. At the time, the, the, Mars was supposed to be this barren planet. But Mars had, was full of, was very earthlike.

Yes. oceans. But at the time, no one said that. But Joe saw it. Just like Ingo on the moon, saw alien bases on the moon, saw psychic beings on the moon. He said they're aware of us. And I think those are the things that make the government nervous. Did the crew of any of the Apollo missions when they landed on the moon, do they see anything? Officially no. Officially no. The story goes that there's a, there's a radio black. blackout when Neil and Buzz are up there, when they first get there, and there is a radio blackout. And the story is, well, you know, how the orbit works, sometimes the radio signal drops, whatever. The story is they switch over to the medical channel and said, they're here, they're on the crater, and they can see us.

That's what the story is. And Ingo Swan said he saw things on the moon. He saw structures. He saw beings that are there. If you go through secondary sources, every astronaut has seen strange things in space. Edgar Mitchell is on record saying UFOs are real, they're extraterrestrial, Roswell is real, that happened, we have craft, the government is lying. This is the sixth man to walk on the moon.

This is not a cuck. This is an American hero. So something's clearly going on up there. But anyway, that's the nutshell. What do you know about the moon exactly? Not very much. not very much at all. Let me ask you,

do you think we went to the moon, do you think we landed on the moon? I have a lot of thoughts on it that I never get into. I mean, I... You squirm the way I do and asked. I mean, I went down this once

because it's my job, right? And I found it really distressing, so I just kind of give up. But I did, you know, I talk, you know, you never know who's telling you the truth about anything, right? But I talk to people, you know, I sort of do trust.

I'm like, no, it's not. But then I thought, yeah, whatever. I don't, I don't. There are a lot, I spend my life looking into things and trying to figure out what's real and what's not. And I do think in midlife, you realize having done this for so many years that like some things you're just, you're not going to know. Right. And I think you can go crazy because I've pushed to the edge of it myself trying to figure out what's right, what's true, what actually happened, what reality is. But I think it's unattainable on certain stories.

This may be one of them. I will say we accidentally taped over the original footage because you ran out of beta max. Yeah. And the, you know, the schematic drawings of the spacecraft are like missing and all. So it's like, telemetry data is gone. Yeah, it's like, stop. They can't replicate the technology. Right, yeah.

So that would, I'll say this, if it was faked. Yep. Of course, can't prove that. then it's just one more instance of the U.S. government having to backfill, you know, a 57-year-old lie. And it's done that a lot. It certainly did it with the murder of John F. Kennedy. And it just, you know, you tell a lie and it just kind of doesn't go away because you have to continually make up new lies in order to cover, you know, the Er lie, the original lie. So you'd hate to think that's real. That's the struggle with the moon landing question, I think, because I wasn't.

a gotcha question because when I'm asked that all the time and I do the same thing I kind of go a, I wish you didn't ask me that B, I'm not sure. I think we did. I think something was found up there which is why we didn't go back. And for me it all hinges on Edgar Mitchell because I trust and believe him.

And if he says he walked in the moon then I believe him. But I think something was found up there that maybe the government didn't want us to find. There's clearly lying around it. I mean, that's what we know. I just know that from having a lot of children. If there's like evasion and certain parts of the story don't make sense, then there's lying there. Now, what does that add up to? Sometimes it's just very minor, you know, and sometimes it's not. But lying is the tell. It's a sign of, you know, what it is,

which is deception, trying to hide the truth from other people. Clearly, clearly, they are lying. And that's what makes this so difficult is because we know they lie about all the these things. We run around in circles and the waters are muddied and I think that's kind of the whole point of it. It may be because simply because I know you're lying does not mean I know what the truth is. Correct. That is true for so many different things, some of which I have like very close proximity to where like I know for a fact you're lying. Like you basically told me you're lying, but I can only guess as to why. Right. Right. That's 100% true. Last question. Do you ever feel driven to like craziness by your job i mean talk about in the middle of it yes um create maybe not

insanity but i have become maybe certainly more jaded disappointed in my government yeah because i didn't grow up that way i grew up in a very patriotic home yep so everybody's a cop or in the military or both draped in old glory and then and i was like that really my whole life yeah iraq wars i'm behind you you know me too america everything all of it and in my research i've learned that i think just about every war we've fought since the second war is based on a lie i can't find any that are based on truth and there's an argument that even war two was kind of america was deceived into getting involved in that um but every other war was based on a lie which and that's that's that's certainly proven uh the gulf war was started by a PR company and you remember when noreorea was

gave her testimony in front of Congress. They were throwing the babies on the ground and the hospital. Oh, it was very heartbreaking when she was the daughter of the ambassador of Kuwait and lying. She had never been to that hospital. But we had boots on the ground. Yeah, killed a lot of people. Not many Americans died, thank heaven. But yeah, I drove on the highway of death, boy.

I'm not defending the Iraqis. I guess it doesn't matter how many we kill. That's our official view. That's only 30,000. It was pretty brutal. I mean, I saw the aftermath of it. But the 500 Americans, that's enough for me to get uncomfortable. They're 500 killed in the first Gulf War?

I'm so embarrassed. I didn't remember that. So jaded, disappointed, angry, but not bitter. Not bitter. You know, I end my episodes. Really, never with despair. Never really with hope. It's more about try to, when you're told things,

just think closely. I try to help people not what to think, but how to think. Don't trust everything that comes out of the media. Whether you're on the right or the left, that really, that's all kind of a puppet show. It's really about people versus power. And anything that powerful tell you, don't trust it. Exactly. Boy, I couldn't have put that better.

AJ, thank you very much. Thank you for having me. Wreck my sleep.