The Tucker Carlson Show - Parents of Alleged J6 Pipe Bomber Say the Government Is Framing Their Son

Episode Date: September 18, 2026

Brian Cole Jr. has autism, no criminal record and no connection to J6. He’s in prison without bail for planting the Capitol Hill pipe bombs. His parents think he’s been framed. We agree.(00:00) The Arrest of Brian Cole Jr. (03:34) The FBI's Raid on Cole's House (15:38) The FBI Investigation and Strange Phone Number (19:36) When Did the Cole Family Find Out What Their Son Was Charged With? (21:16) Brian’s Morning Routine and Job at the Family Business (40:43) Why Doesn’t Trump’s J6 Pardon Apply to Brian? Paid partnerships with:Troomy Nootropics: Get 20% off with code TCN20 at Troomy.com/TuckerCozy Earth: Luxury shouldn't be out of reach. Get up to 20% off at https://cozyearth.com/TUCKER  Cardiff: Get fast business funding without bank delays—apply in minutes with Cardiff and access up to $500,000 in same‑day funding at https://Cardiff.co/TUCKER American Financing: NMLS 182334, nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.327% for well qualified borrowers. Call 800-685-5696 for details about credit costs and terms. Visit http://www.AmericanFinancing.net/Tucker. TCN: Watch ‘The OKCBOMB Files’ only on TCN: https://watchtcn.co/okcbomb Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Thank you all for doing this. I first heard about this case almost immediately from someone in the U.S. government who called me and said, this is the Netflix story that you don't think could actually be real where the U.S. government arrests someone for a grave crime knowing that he didn't commit it. So I was going to say out up front what I think and what informed people in the U.S. government think. So I want to frame the conversation around that. Again, thank you. Let's start with Branko. Senior, where were you, how did you find out your son had been arrested? Well, I was in a, I was in a hotel in Alabama. I was traveling, working, and a DOJ officer,

FBI agent gave me a call, and he started asking, he was asking me a few questions, and he was informing me that, you know, they had picked up my son. So, you know, prior to that, It was about 6 a.8. In the morning, I was looking at TV and looking at the news. And, you know, they were talking about they were making an arrest on the J6 pipe bomber. And maybe 30 minutes later, I get the phone call. Do they say who it was? They didn't say who it was when I, the initial report you were watching.

They didn't say who it was. They said they was in the process of making an arrest. and then like 30 minutes late I get a call. Did you think? I wonder if that's my son? No. Never in a million years. It went, no, and absolutely not.

And they called and I was talking to him and he stated that he was, I couldn't remember his name, but he was with the FBI. And, you know, they picked up my son and, you know, I didn't know, I didn't grasp it for a second because it was so early in the morning. morning and then as he was talking to me, the news were on and I can see, you know, they mentioned

the name. And when they mentioned the name, I said, man, you mean to tell me, you're on the phone telling me that the person they're talking about on TV is my son. And he was like, yes, you know what mean? And he was like, they already, they're already reporting on the news. I said, yeah, it's all over the news right now. And then from there, wasn't even 20 seconds later, I started getting phone calls from reporters. And that's how I found out. What did you think? You know, in a situation like that, Tucker,

man, it was so many things running through your mind because you're wondering what's going on. Like, you know, it's hard to explain. You don't, to wake up to something like that 6 to 7 o'clock in the morning and someone telling you that your son has just been picked up, he's this infamous person, you don't know what to, think. You really don't. I didn't know what was going on. So the first thing I tried to do was try to get in contact with this mother. And we were all unsuccessful. And then my kids started calling

in because each one of them, they made contact with each one of them in person. And that's when we went to the ring cam and we saw what was going on. You know, we saw actually what was going on. And that's why we knew we couldn't get in contact with her because, you know, they, they raided the house and took her out the house. And you were at home when the raid began? Yes, my grandson and I. Your grandson. Tell us what happened. So I woke up, I guess, around eight, and around 8, 15 or so I heard a siren. So I'm thinking, you know, my elderly neighbor across the street that something was wrong. So I'm like, oh, while I, you know, I hope Grams is okay.

Can I just say for people who don't know since I do know, you live in a cul-de-sac in a suburban neighborhood? Yes, yes. You don't have a lot of sirens in your neighborhood. No, and I'm like, wow, you know, because she's elderly. And next thing you hear is come out with your hands up. This is the FBI. I get up out of the bed and I go look out of my window.

And the cul-de-sac is filled. You have three different trucks with, I don't know if there are rams or machine guns pointed towards my house. You have cars in the cul-de-sac. You have gunmen's with rifle, all behind the trucks and behind the trees. With rifles? Yes. Facing the house. So I get dressed. I go wake my grandson up and tell them the FBI is outside.

You got to get dressed and come on outside. I said, don't take forever. So I get up and I go outside and they tell me to come towards them. And as soon as I got to them, they took my phone and they handcuffed me and put me in the truck. And then my grandson came out a few minutes later. They handcuffed you? Yes, they handcuffed me and put me in a truck. grandson came out a few minutes later.

They grabbed his phone from him, handcuffed him and put him in a truck. How old is your grandson? My grandson is 17. He was 16 then, though. He was 16. Yeah, well, he was about turned 17 because he turned 17 on the 14th. And I

told them, you know, be careful because my son is still in the house because I hadn't gotten to his room to tell him. And so, you know, and we're, you know, just sitting down like, you know, what's happening? going on. I don't... Did they tell you why they were handcuffing you? Not at the beginning. No.

They just said, we'll tell you in a field. So you wake up from a dead sleep to sirens. You look out the window and there are men with rifles aiming at your house. Yes. Come out with your hands up. You have no idea what's going on. None. None. And no one explains to you why they're handcuffing you and putting in the back of a car. No. And again, you know, you have to realize because of what we do for a living, you know, there's a lot on the line if we don't do what we're supposed to do. So I should say that you all run a family business with a big extended family, including your son, Brian Cole Jr., who worked there.

Yes. The bail bonds business, you've had it for a long time, kind of multi-generational, and it's a pretty big business, I think. Yes. And you're licensed in order to run that business, including to carry firearms because it's bail bonds, right? It's like sort of a subset of law enforcement. Yes.

And so I just want to give context for people who don't know. No, you're explaining it well. And so you're handcuffed in the back of a car. Then you see your grandson handcuffed, teenage grandson. What are you thinking? What the hell? Can I say hell? Oh, yes, ma'am.

So I'm like, what the hell? You know, what is all of this? You know, because, you know, we are a nice, boring family. So I don't understand where all this is coming from. And, you know, so they, they come and then they just sell me, some people are going to come talk to you. I'm like, what the world. And I'm not paying attention at the time this passing that Brian hasn't, you know, joined us. And so, you know, and then I start, as a grandmother would, start getting on my grandson, like, you're supposed to be in school.

So I'm paying attention fussing at him. I'm sorry to laugh. This is so crazy. Yeah, and then all of a sudden he said, they cleared the house. And he said, okay, we're going to go in and they're going to tell you. But your son, Brian, has been arrested as the J6 bomber. And you go blank because you hear what they're saying. But because is Brian, you like,

No, you most definitely got the wrong person. This cannot, no, this is not for real. And he was like, yeah, we arrested him, and he is downtown at headquarters already. Now, mind you, and as he said, we went back and looked at the ring camera. He left the house about six-something, almost seven o'clock. So they had already had him by time they did all this fanfare.

Wait, if they'd already arrested your son, who they claim was a suspect in this attempted bombing, why were they pointing rifles at you and handcuffing you? Were you ever charged with a crime? No, no. And that was one of their questions. They continuously asked us, you know, did we know anything about this? Did we know anything about this?

Well, no. You know, no matter how many times we told them, no, they would, you know, ask the questions and come back to that same question. So it's three in the afternoon. You've had your coffee, but you're still staring blankly at your screen. rereading the same line, waiting for energy because you're just enervated as the afternoon slump. And that's what we're excited to partner with Trumee. So Trumee makes gummy supplements made up mushrooms.

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typically part of an arrest? Not for us. Not for us, not at all. No. Is that, does that happen in America? Like, why would you handcuff the family members? I know, right. I have no idea.

At all. Because, I mean, again, we're not used to this. We're not on that side to have a clear understanding of everything that they do. But I was calm because I wanted to make sure my grandson they call.

And then once they got us in the house, then they unhandcuffed us. Do they apologize for handcuffing you? No. No. They handcuff a grandmother who's not been charged with anything. And they don't apologize.

No. And the grandson. Okay. Then what happened? So I don't know how long they discussed and it just seemed like this army of people started coming through the door I mean they were

of your home yes they were like all over so my grandson and I they had us in the living room because they set up in the dining room to use the table in a dining room to do their reporting or whatever they do and so there were two agents speaking to my grandson and I in the living room

And I was like, you know, can we get him to school? He needs to go to school because he wanted to play in his basketball game. And I wanted to make sure, although this is a crazy life-turning ordeal, I wanted to try to keep it as normal as possible for him. And so they were fine with that. You know, they took him upstairs, let him get dressed. And then they took him to school. Now, for my understanding, later on, they talked to him in the car.

I don't know how they questioned him or what they said, but they talked to him in a car, even though before we got out of the truck, I asked one of the SWAT members. Don't talk to my grandson. Don't ask him any questions. If you have anything to say, you ask me. So outside of that, I don't know what. what they discussed with him. You know, and of course, teenagers are always vague.

You know, he just, he just asked me, you know, did I know anything about this? And then I know that anything that Brian did and a phone number, that's about it. But, you know, they made sure he got to school, they followed him and made sure nobody was following him to school. And that was it. Yeah, and this phone number, I mean, they asked every single

one of us about this specific phone number for some reason. Yeah. You know, even over the phone. And I'm not going to say my dealings with the agent that I, that called me, very professional, he was very polite. They were. They were. They were.

Very professional. Very polite. You know, he asked me about a phone number. I asked me to key the phone number in my phone and did it come up with anything, you know, told him no. But I don't know, whatever this phone number, they were all, they were very interested in that one particular phone number for some reason. And, you know, they didn't tell us why. They asked both of you about this one specific phone number. All of us. All of us. All of us. My key said the same thing. Everybody. And did anyone have the phone number in his or her phone? No. No. No.

Huh. Do you have any idea what that was about? No. No. So what happened to your son? I mean, when, when did you find out exactly what the charges were and where he was? So we didn't. We didn't, I didn't find out exactly where he was or what the charges were until our attorney. Yeah, well, what happened? First thing, you know, of course, the first thing we wanted to do is once I, you know, once we realized the magnitude of what was going on in the county, we started comprehended. And I notified my attorney. I dealt with John Shoreman for many, many years.

So I got in contact with him. And he, you know, I was asked, I was saying, hey, man. have you heard what's going on? And he was like, no, I'm in New York. And I was like, okay, well, you know, my son, they just arrested and said that he was the, you know, alleged J6 pipe bomber. And they arrested him.

I need you. And then John said, you know, okay, I'm on my way. So he left New York because I wanted to have someone in court with Brian the next morning, you know, for the arraignment. And the next morning, John came in and met, you know, met with him and stood as his counsel for the arraignment that next morning. And then that's the only time we had to actually see him since that the day before was that next morning when he went to the arraignment. We weren't able to speak to him, wasn't able to talk to him or anything. Then after court, we found out later that evening that he was in, he was in, he was in.

you know, where he was located at? No. I don't want to... No. We didn't find out. We thought that he was still downtown. We didn't find out until after the weekend, because we didn't know where he was on Friday. We didn't know where he was on Saturday. And John kept reaching out to the U.S. attorney to find out where he was,

and he kept saying he didn't know that he was going to try to find out for us. And we didn't find out until, like, Monday evening, I think it was. And once we found out, I asked Brian a call and I asked one of our other agents, bonding agents, to verify if this is where he is. And he did. And Brian said, well, I know you want to hear it for yourself, but he's there. And I did. And that satisfied me.

And the next day, you know, we were trying to figure out how to see him because we hadn't seen him nor talk to him. him. So he basically, he gets up early. Did he get up early a lot? Yes. Every morning. Every morning he gets up. Why did he get up early? So it started because he had a dog. He had a little chihuahua. So he got up every morning to walk his dog and then he'll walk to 7-Eleven and then he'll walk his dog again and he'll go to work. What did you do at 7-Eleven? Brian just likes to walk. So that gave him a destination to walk to so he would go, he would get his soda, or of water or bottle of water. He likes their pizza and their tequitos. Yeah. Who doesn't? I know, you know. I'm with you, baby.

Snacks and back home, you know. So he was taking his morning walk to 7-Eleven with his little dog to get his water and pizza. Well, by now, by that time, we had to put the dog to sleep. Okay. Yeah, about a month earlier. Oh, gosh. Yeah. But that was his routine for years, every day.

Get up in the morning, walk the dog, go up to the 7-Eleven, get his pizza or whatever he was going to get his drink, come back home every day. That was his routine every day. Yes. And then he went to work and he worked at your family business? Yes. For how long? Oh, man.

Since he was about 15. Yeah, he was a teenage. He was about 15. He would, you know, work after school, sometimes, you know, when he was younger. Especially the summer. In the summertime, they all worked there at the summertime, work there during the summer until he was an adult. And now he's 31. Yep.

And he's worked for the family business the whole time. The whole entire time. And went to work every day, five days a week, the whole entire time. He's the only kid that didn't take vacation or sick time. It's making me emotional. Why frame this kid? You know, excuse me. It's crazy.

Well, it's, the more you know, we've been, we just have been talking all morning. So I know a lot that I hope will come out. But it's like, it's one of the most shocking stories. I've certainly in all these years met a lot of people who claimed that they had a relative who was framed for a crime or whatever. I've never believed it more fervently than I do in this case because it's just... Because it's true, you know. It clearly is true. So tell us about, let me just say, this is a man with no criminal record at all.

At all. No disciplinary record in school. At all. No social media. No. I know. And so they're telling us that this guy who's zero record. of any run-ins with the law or school authorities and no history of like posting extremism or whatever

set bombs in front of the two political party headquarters for reasons whatever the whole thing is crazy but tell us who he was what's he like how would you describe your son and namesake really really good kid good guy i can't call him a kid because he's a man now really good guy never caused any any trouble um very very well respected respect it He respect everyone. He respect everyone. Always helpful. You know, just generally a really good guy. Never caused us an issue. I mean, his whole life never caused us an issue at all.

You know, you have kids. You know, I've had other kids cause me some problems. Oh, yeah. But the one that don't cause, didn't cause us. us, anything is going through all of this and we don't understand. But he's a really good kid. You won't find anybody, anybody that will say something negative about him. So we talk about cozy Earth a lot. Their response to the show, we're not ashamed of that. We think they're awesome. Their sheets transform your room into a resort. The best part is they're made from bamboo, which we think is so cool. They surround you with soft, smooth sensation.

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Get your edge back. If he's waking up at 6 to walk his little dog to 7-11 every single morning and then go to work at the family business, you know, it kind of says a lot. So you have described him as having autism? Yes. So for me, you know, we have brought. Brian Young. I was 20. And he was always quiet. He never had any issues. You know, how children want to be entertained. Well, Brian never really wanted to be entertained. Long as he ate and his diaper was clean, there was no problems with Brian. You know, my cousin, girlfriend, used to babysit him. And she was like, I'll babysit him anytime you want. Because he really truly was no problem. He had no problem with,

entertaining himself. But again, I was young, didn't really pay attention to that. I just thought he was a good kid. And I got a job at a pediatrician's office in Fairfax. And as he grew, you know, a lot of things that I saw a lot of parents bring their kids in with autisms and ticks and stuff like that, I realized that a lot of those tendencies he had. And I wasn't sure, but when he became at an age where he can make more decisions of his own and doesn't have to do everything we say or everything we want, he never did.

And then the headphones really kind of showed me. And then his speech and stuff like that. always compliant, always compliant. And there were other, you know, little things. And so. But a sweet-tempered kid? Always. And people got to understand.

When we come from, when we grew up at in the Washington, D.C. area, southeast side of Washington, D.C., you know, and we were young when we had our kids. We, we didn't, autism wasn't this big focal. thing focused like it is today. You know, we didn't know about autism. Oh, I'm the same generation. I know. You know, autism.

Autism. Never even heard of autism. So to see a kid like that, we thought it was normal because we were with him every day. Of course. We weren't educated on autism. We knew nothing about autism at the time. Now hindsight, looking back now from what we know and what we've learned now about autism, the signs were definitely there.

Yes. But during the 90s and the early 2000s, you know, autism wasn't in the forefront of anything. You know, a lot of people didn't know too much about autism, especially in our communities. Of course. You know, and, you know, I just wanted to say that because you have a lot of people go, well,

they should have known something. We didn't know. You know, we weren't educated on that, doing that area. So the reason I wanted you to explain that part of Brian's personality and life is because it may be relevant to this case. And I'm not going to ask you to comment on this because I think it probably you can't because there's a trial. Yes. But the government has said that he confessed to this crime. And it is widely known, universally known.

And there have been studies that show it, that prove it, that people with autism are much more likely to falsely confess to crimes they did not commit. because autistic people sometimes have a great deal of emotional intensity. They are pleasers. They just want it to stop. They will admit, and studies have shown this, to anything, if you push them hard enough. And so the fact that I'm reading in the paper that an autistic man confess to a crime means a lot less than if you confess to a crime or I confess to a crime. It's like this is a well-known thing.

I'm not asking you to comment on this because I don't think you probably should, but I just want our viewers to understand that. Anyone familiar with the stuff is like, oh, they picked up an autistic kid and he confessed, confessed. Right. So was he political? Not to my knowledge.

Not to my knowledge, not to anything that we've seen. No, there was no, no. And I played this back in my head. I mean, no. He never taught politics. None of that. We don't understand.

You know, how do they... He lives at home and you work with him every day. So if he were absorbed in some political drama, you probably would have heard about it. We would have known. Right. You know, and don't get me wrong, you know, we talked about current events. Yes. You know, when we did have conversations about whatever, you know, but he, you know, wouldn't force away one way or another in terms of political stances.

You know, we're more so, was right, was wrong. Yes. You know, so I just, I just don't understand, you know, where all of this is coming from. Why are they, you know, how, how? So the government alleges, I don't know, I hope to ask you this question. I hope to understand what exactly the reasoning is behind his arrest and continued incarceration. So the government said immediately, like within a day, that the pipe bombs were planted in front of the RNC and the DNC on Capitol Hill. They didn't go off. And it turns out they weren't actually real bombs. We now know. They were inert. But that they were planted as a diversion to get law enforcement to go up to Capitol Hill as the capital was being stormed by what they described as insurrectionists. So the Capitol Hill pipe bombings, the government told us this many, many times were directly connected to what happened.

at the Capitol that day. Okay. Correct? Yes. Yes. Right. So a couple of questions for you. Was your son at the January 6th?

No. Event? No. Is the government alleging he was there? No. Not to my knowledge. Did he have any contact that you know of? And is the government alleging that he had contact with any of the perpetrators of January 6th?

Not to my knowledge. Okay. He had not posted on social media support. No. He don't even have a social media account. No. No. Are you aware of any connection at all between your son and what happened at the Capitol building on January 6th?

No. No. Has the government shown you any connection between your son and what happened that day? No, I haven't seen anything. No. So when they told you, your son was the Capitol Hill, the J6 pipe bomber, did part of your brain say, oh, yeah, I remember him ranting in the kitchen or cleaning his firearms at the kitchen table, talking about storming the Capitol. No.

The only way I, you know, so I mean, that was five years ago. I put that out of my mind. I didn't follow it. So I don't know, you know, all I saw was the images that the media provided of them storming the Capitol, you know, and that was it for me. Right. I didn't follow it or anything. So I didn't realize what they were talking about until they showed me.

a still image. I'm like, oh, I remember seeing that video. When the FBI... Yes. What was in the image? It was just the gray-hooded person. The gray-hooded person who security cameras on Capitol Hill

picked up planting the bombs in front of the two buildings. That's it. And then they showed you these images to tell you that this was your son, Brian. Yes. They asked me, does that look like Brian? Does that look like his sweat hood? I'm like, I got a gray sweat hood.

Who doesn't have a gray sweater? No, I can't say that that's his sweat hood or not. Like, that's crazy. I can't answer that question. You know, it just, it was, they were just trying to find something to tie him. Did they find any bomb-making materials in your home? I don't know what they found. for me that day was so it just blew me out the water so whatever they gave me I immediately gave to the attorney

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What, you haven't? No. I haven't heard no motives at all. None. Can you think of a motive? No. No. Not at all.

Do you think that if your son, since he does live at home and works at the family business and is autistic and gets up at 6 a.m. to walk his dog to 7.11, do you think if he was planning a bombing that you might have noticed? I would think so. Yeah. Like, his room was right down the hall from my room. And of course, I'm a nosy mom And because I know You know, I like to go in there and mess with Brian Because, you know, he he doesn't talk a lot

Yes And I like to just go and mess with him And try to force him to talk and Mm-hmm, yeah And then he'll leave out his room So I would leave out his room But, you know, I know the tactic So I wait till he comes back and

You know, he's surprised I'm like you're still here Yeah, because I knew you were trying to shut me up. You know, so it's not, you know, it's not like something he can hide. You know, so I don't know where all this is coming from. I really don't. But you don't understand what the government is thinking. So like the Capitol Hill pipe bombs were connected to the January 6th demonstration slash riot,

what they call an insurrection. We can just say that because the government has told us that for five years. So you don't see, honestly, any connection at all between your son and the January 6th protests. No. The government must be drawing some connection. And I would like to know. And again, we probably won't really know until trial. When is trial?

February 16th, 27. My baby would have been arrested in jail for you. year. A year and two months. That's it. Why? Okay, so this gets to a question that you can answer since you're literally in the bail bond's business. And ironically, your son is being held without bond.

Yes. But here's someone who has no criminal record of any kind, no record of misbehavior of any kind, but he's being held without bond when he has a family and a family home and a family business and like he can go back and be with people, but he's being held without a bond. on because why? They said their only excuse was and it's really crazy

because they agree he's not a risk he's not he's not he's not he's not a risk to like risk well he's not a risk to to the people he's not a risk of fleeing anywhere and that he's never been arrested but because of the

alleged charges that they brought against him he shouldn't be left out release. Now, mind you, you know, we agreed, and my mother-in-law said, well, he can come to my house since they failed because they claim that, you know, things were done in my house.

Well, he can come stay in my house. I live in a gated community. We can do ankle monitor. We can do house arrest if you want. You can come by and visit whenever you choose. he can do weekly check-ins, nothing. Only because of the charges that they allege. How long have you been in the bail bonds business?

31 years. So, again, I can't overstate how much perspective you have in this. How weird is this? Let me say this. If this was a case in another state, any other case, even similar to this, but in another state, another area, he would have been out of jail by name.

He'd have been fighting this from home. I don't know if it had anything to do with, if it had anything to do with his race. I don't know. I don't wanna put that out there because just very recently right after, actually right after his case, a county over, Loudoun County in Virginia.

Similar situation happened with some white, kids and they're their home. Similar situation. You know, I don't know why here. Well, if you think about it, big picture, they didn't make any arrests in this case or any progress in this case that we know of for five years. Until the media outlet produced a story, which I am not endorsing because I don't have the information to endorse it. but in which they named a suspect on the basis of a gate analysis program,

they ran against the CCTV footage. And on the basis of that, they named a woman called Shawnee Kerkhov, I think her name is, who was a former Capitol Police officer, who now is in a security detail at the Central Intelligence Agency, amazingly, and they claimed that she failed a polygraph test when I asked if she was the bike bomber. And we should mention that Shawnee Kerkov has denied being the bomber or having any involvement. in the case. And, you know, it was almost immediately after that that your son was arrested, after five years of no progress on the case. It's like two weeks later. Is that true? Two weeks later? Five to two weeks. Five to seven, I think it was told on October 16th.

It was about five weeks later. And November eight. About a month later. So I have so many questions about this. The most obvious question is how did someone who's publicly named falsely or not, okay, I don't know, but publicly named as the pipe bomber, how does that person retain a security clearance and then wind up with increased authority at the security detail at CIA headquarters at Langley? Like, what in the world are we watching here? Right. Does that, I mean, you guys are. Makes no sense. Spends your lives adjacent to law enforcement. Does that make sense? Makes no sense. I've seen people lose a security clearance over DUI or DWI. Exactly. So, you know, I don't, I don't understand.

that one myself, you know. But the arrest of your son who has no publicly described connection whatsoever to J6 gets arrested immediately after this person, this other person, is named in the media. Yeah. So this is why I wanted to talk to you, because it does seem like you're looking at a kind of made-for-TV movie type conspiracy. What's the other explanation for this? That's the only place I thought stuff like this happened. That's what I thought. That's the only place. I cannot, I mean, I truly cannot.

I've never thought that anything like this happens here. That the federal government would knowingly put an innocent man in jail and then hold him there without bond when they know he didn't do it? Yes. We have not spoken to our son directly since, for me, the night of December 3rd. I mean, we talk over the phone. But how much of a conversation can you have over a jail phone? You know what I mean?

He does give us video visits here and there. What can you say over a jail video visit? Especially with someone who's not, as you said, much of a talker anyway. It's like total isolation. Yes. Yeah. What's interesting to me is that there is a blanket pardon in place. issued by the president and it's in place, for everyone associated with the January 6th events,

everyone who was indicted January 6th and convicted in some cases, they're all pardoned and the sentences commuted. So your son is now in jail on January 6-related charges, I think. Yes. Why doesn't that apply to him? I can't, we can't answer that. That's something that the lawyers need to. come back and answer, I can't answer that. I have no idea. I don't know the answer either, but it's very strange. The other thing that is strange to me is that I think, tell me if I'm wrong, but that your son is charged with a weapons of mass destruction charge. I know, right? Crazy. Yes. But it has been

publicly confirmed that the bombs were inert. Yes. They weren't actually bombs. They couldn't explode. That's my understanding. Yes, my understanding. So how could you be charged with weapons of mass destruction offense for assuming he had anything to do with this, but let's say he did, they literally weren't weapons of mass destruction. Right. That's another question that you would have to ask our legal, his legal team. Because I, you know, that's, I can't answer it. We can't answer that.

These are things that we just can't answer because we don't know, you know. How can they? You know, it don't make sense. You know, how can you charge them with that? You know. Well, by their own description, it doesn't make sense. They're the ones who told us the bombs weren't real. Exactly.

You know? And I went and looked at the image of what they said. And I'm like, they got to be joking. Why? What did you think that? Those images, what was those things going to do? When you saw, have you seen video footage of the bomb? No, they have still pictures online.

Of the actual device. Yeah. Right. Of the device. I think it was the device, they said, under a bush. Yes. Or buy a bush. So they have images of those online.

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Yes. I think most parents know what their children move like. This is not scientific, but it's real. And any parent can tell you if you see there's a crowd people you can tell which one's your kid just by the way he moves is that does that look like your son not at all not at all at all in the time since his arrest in December has anyone in your family or his friends come to you and said actually you didn't know brian had a secret life you didn't know about no no no no um has anyone in the

the federal government indicated to you, and you don't need to use names, that this case is fake, that this is a miscarriage of justice, a travesty. I have, I've kind of separated myself and let out, let his legal team handle everything. So I don't, we don't, I don't talk to anybody. I don't, you know, I refer everybody over to our legal team.

But I can't, I'm gonna say no, no one has ever approached or access. You just have to wonder about the FBI agents or federal marshals, whoever they were, the people pointing rifles at you and handcuffing you

and handcuffing your grandson. Like, do they think that they're actually fighting for justice here? Do they really think that your son was the J6 pipe bomber? Who knows? I have no idea,

but I tell you this. And this is something that was raised in court. For him to be such a dangerous person. And I say this all the time. When they so-called, I guess, raided

the house, why did they leave his firearm there? If he was such a dangerous person, why did they leave his firearm sitting there? Yeah. They left it on his nice thing. If you were thinking he was just dangerous, just you know, whatever

kind of person they're trying to, allege that he is, why not take that? Do that make sense? Well, because they know he's not a dangerous person. Yeah. And then again, you know, if he's this dangerous person, why follow him all this time? Why, when you come to my house, you don't evacuate at least my cul-de-sac. If all of what you're saying is in my house, I'm upset because if that was truly the case, It's why you guys let us live in a house that you feel is unsafe like that. That someone is dangerous like that.

Yeah. And that is filled with bombing equipment and high explosives. I don't know. We don't know anything about that. You know, that's like crazy. I just, my biggest thing is, why did they wait so long if they knew? Right. If they supposedly knew what was going on and knew he was this person.

One, why leave a dangerous weapon sitting in in there? Why not, once again, like she said evacuated, Why not have evacuated the neighbors and evacuated the call to sack? Well, here's what, again, what we know, what we know is that a former Capitol Hill police officer who was employed at Capitol Police on January 6th wound up working at CIA headquarters in Langley. And that person was named publicly in a media report as the Capitol Hill pipe bomber. And almost immediately after that person was named, they arrested your son. Yes. And again, to be clear, Shawnee Kirkoff denies being the J.

six bomber or having any involvement in the case. What were they doing for five years? Have they told you when they figured out that your son was the pipe bomber? No. No, not at all. How long do you think they were surveilling him? They've had pictures of him at the office. Yeah, the office.

They've had pictures of him at the office. I mean, I've seen a picture of him at the office. Your family office. Yes. I've seen a picture of him walking and one of the stores because we had a clogged a clogged drain. So I knew that that was the most recent picture because I sent them to the store. Well, you sent him to the hardware store to get somebody to fix the drain.

Yeah, yeah. But that was about it. And how long before his arrest was that? I would say maybe two weeks or so. Yeah. So they had been following him. But as far as you know, their surveillance of your son began after Shawnee Kirkov was named.

Yes. The CIA person. Yes. I'm understanding. Yes. Okay. So again, I'm not alleging this. I'm just noting that it looks like they didn't really focus on your son until media reports named a CIA employee.

Yes. As the pipe bomber. And then, you know, not to be cynical, but it looks like they're like, holy smokes, we've got to find someone to blame for this pipe bomb. Yes. because the person who's been publicly named still as security clearance and reportedly is on the Director of Central Intelligence's

personal security detail. And I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I don't know that. You know, can't verify that, but... That's what it appears to be. Yes, that's what it appears. So it doesn't look good at all.

So who do you appeal to? like other than your attorneys? Like, are there any political figures who've called you and said, what is this? No. None. Not to be mean, but like, what about the civil rights establishment? Like, where are they?

Like, where's Sharpton? I have no idea. I am being mean. Okay, I'll stop. But has anyone defended you? I guess that's all I'm saying. Or defended your son, your family? No.

Only, you know, Steve Baker, you know, our attorneys, of course. you know, our family, you know. But as far as, you know, everyone as a whole, you know, they're, I'm reading and I'm seeing people say things. But no. You live in Virginia. There's a governor.

There are two senators or a whole bunch of congressmen. Yes. No calls for many of them. None. None. I can't imagine what this is costing. You both just sighed. Yeah, I mean, you know, not only financially, but, you know, this is heavy.

This is weighing on our whole family, our extended family, because we all protect Brian. You can ask anyone who has come in contact with Brian, family, friends, neighbors, you know, just in passing that no, they most definitely have the wrong guy, you know. And because he is autistic and we know, you know, how he is, we're suffering because he's suffering and he's trying to protect us by saying he's okay. You know. It's, it's, it's, it's mentally, it's mainly draining,

physically draining, it's hard. It's hard. Not only the financial side of it, but the, you know, worrying about him every day, worrying about him every night.

You know, and he does a good job. He does. He do give us a call every day. He does. He calls us every night, every single one of us. Because that's his, that's his pattern. Yes.

Twice a day. We hear from him twice a day, every single one of us. And, I mean, he, you know, he's okay. And like I said, I take my, I give credit what credit is due. And if I ask Brian, is everything okay, are you okay? He's going to, he's going to give me an honest answer. And he's okay.

You know, they, he's in a really good place, safe place. And he's, they taking good care of him. I got to say that because I don't want anyone to think he's being mistreated or anything like that. I don't think he's being mistreated. They at least did that correctly. But he's in jail. Right. He's in jail.

So you've been in this business for 31 years. Have you ever met anyone who enjoyed jail? No one enjoys jail. No one enjoys jail. No one enjoys jail. You know what I'm saying? I do. And I don't want to downplay and say that.

that he's being treated this way. They're doing this day, I'm not gonna say that. I'm just gonna say, Brian is okay. You know, he's okay. He's not being mistreated. Well, you have a very forgiving and optimistic perspective, but I think for most people, the idea of having your son snatched off the street and his mother and her grandson handcuffed

and then locked away for a year on ridiculous untrue charges and slandered in public on the basis of no evidence at all. The whole thing just sounds like out of a movie or something it could never happen in this country. Like a Netflix series. Like a Netflix series. Well, I hope this helps.

And I think anyone watching this, I don't think I'm easily fooled. Maybe I am. I don't think so. And I've certainly talked to a lot of people in a similar position, and I believe your story completely. And I hope that this gets wide attention, and I hope massive pressure is applied to the authorities to stop this immediately.

Well, we want to say this as a family. We want to thank you. And thank you for allowing us to come on your platform and talk about this. And, you know, just want to say thank you. Well, thank you. It's actually not me. It was, you know, I'm paying half attention like the rest of us to most of the news, just like you were when you were watching television.

Oh, they got the bottom. or whatever. You know, it's like I wasn't paying attention. I got a call from, as I said at the outset, someone I know in the federal government who's highly informed and very experienced and skeptical of everything was like, this is the craziest thing I've ever seen. They grabbed this random autistic guy and put him in jail. Like right after Steve Baker named this federal employee as the pipe bomber, this is shocking that this could happen. And this is a federal employee who told me this in a relevant agency. So I was highly motivated to meet you after that.

I'm grateful for him. So are we? Because this is horrible. This is a travesty. You know, and I'm so angry. I am angry. I am disappointed. You know, but I have to keep focus on my son.

You know, for me, as his mom. And for his dad, it's too different. You know, as he just said, he will open up to his dad, but he won't open up to me that sense because he know how I feel.

He know I'm going to worry. You know, and to know that he's been snatched away from me, the way that he has. And I can't talk to him openly and hug him, even though he doesn't like hugs. but he know I'm going to do it.

You know, and just being autistic, when you're in an environment where it's so much stuff around, you know, you're, it's chaotic inside. It's overload. Right. And so to be put in a place, this chaotic. So you're dealing with chaos inside and outside, and it's out of your control.

You know, and I can only emphasize what he's going through and there's nothing we can do to help. Nothing. Nothing. And that's the downside. And we know that he doesn't belong there. And they know that he doesn't belong there. And they're prolonging this and it shouldn't be.

And I feel helpless at the moment. And that's why I appreciate our attorneys. I appreciate Steve Baker. I appreciate those that are out there speaking out and trying to share the story. Because I truly think that somewhere, somehow, someone is trying to suppress this. And we appreciate you too for allowing us to come home.

Well, I think someone is trying to suppress that. I really do. And destroying a young man to do it is unforgivable. And especially someone like Brian. This can happen to anybody, not let alone a person with autism, anyone, anyone. You know, I just, I am grateful to God that we have the ability to fight for our son. Yes, that's exactly right.

Just imagine if we didn't. I was thinking that this morning. Only off a word of what the government has said, everyone has believed. Nobody is looking into nothing. Nobody is saying anything. And that's one of the things, you know, coming on your platform. We just want people to go and just do their own research. let them go read.

It's all there. Look at what the government is presented. It's all right there. You're going to see the, let them make their opinion on the case. That's all I'm asking. I have looked at it. It's a joke. And they're liars.

And to do this to an innocent man is totally unforgivable and should not be allowed in a civilized and free country, period. Yes. So God bless you. you both. Thank you. Same to you. Thank you.