The Tucker Carlson Show - Rupert Lowe Warns of the Globalist Agenda Destroying the West and the Revolution Soon to Come

Episode Date: December 5, 2025

Why has the post-war Western elite decided to worship multiculturalism? Because they hate their own culture. British MP Rupert Lowe explains. (00:00) The Corruption of Britain's Political System (09:11) Mass Immigration (14:54) Should We Be Worried About China? (25:50) Why Is the UK Sending So Much Money to Foreign Countries? (29:46) Can Free Speech in the UK Be Saved? Paid partnerships with: Hallow prayer app: Get 3 months free at https://Hallow.com/Tucker Byrna: Go to https://Byrna.com or your local Sportsman's Warehouse today. Cozy Earth: Slow down and recharge with Cozy Earth’s luxurious Bamboo Sheets and Bubble Cuddle Blanket—order by December 12 for Christmas delivery and use code TUCKER at https://cozyearth.com/TUCKER for up to 40% off. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It doesn't matter if you vote for Boris Johnson or Rishi Sunak or Kirstarmer. It was different parties. Pory, labor, same result. What is that? Well, I think, Tucker, it's basically it's our democracy. has gone badly wrong. So what happened is we are the mother of all parliaments, and we effectively were the genesis of true democracy. I mean, forget the Greeks for now, but let's just say we are modern democracy. Democracy at scale. Athenian democracy was tiny. Yep, but this is

democracy at scale. So they, but they had the right concept, I think, and there's some great, you know, great philosophers from that era. But I think our parliament was structured so that you had MPs elected by the people, and they were effectively the people's representatives. So the job of Parliament was ultimately to put the interests of the British nation first, make decisions that was, first of all, and above everything else in the interests of the nation. But at the same time, there were internal rivalries about regional competition between each of those MPs to try and do the best for their constituency as well. Most of them were in some way invested in Britain.

They were landowners, they were businessmen, they were peers, they were aristocrats. They actually had a big shareholding, if you like, in UK PLC. And you know, I look at prime ministers like Lord Salisbury and I look at, you know, men who made great decisions and obviously we can talk about Churchill, we can talk about the great leaders, Maggie Thatcher, who I loved. We can talk about great leaders, but I think what's gone badly wrong, and this is why I've set up a movement, not a party, to unite common sense thought and to allow those people who share the view you've just outlined, that it doesn't matter who you vote for,

the smorgasbord of opportunities that you've got at the moment, whether it's the Tories, whether it's Labour, whether it's the Lib Dems, whether it's the Greens, whether it's the Scottish National Party, whoever, they're all part of this dying sort of remnant of what was Parliament. So I think we've got to have some form of, what, in geological terms, rejuvenation and uplift, to change the way in which we're governed and make sure that we re-empower the MPs, the elected representatives of the people, and we disempower the people who run Parliament, the quangos, the unelected civil servants, who are largely represented by the permanent secretaries, many of whom I now see on the Public Accounts Committee.

the country, Tucker, is just run by people who don't know which way is up. So we've got a dying body of productive Brits who I have the greatest admiration for, who really fight all this regulation, this red tape, all of the oppression of government, of licensing, of regulations, of rules. They fight their way through all this, not to mention huge taxes, which will probably increase dramatically tomorrow, in order to basically debit the productive and credit the indolent, the most extraordinary sort of formula, which is doomed to failure.

But so I think we need the people who ultimately care about the country to rise up now. I don't think the way in which our government is structured is ever going to serve them well. So all they will do is go around crying into their beer about the fact that they voted for, as you say, Rishi Sunak or they voted for Keir Stama. And they're all the same. There's no real difference. I don't think you're ever stating it.

I mean, look at their priorities. They're both totally disc- I'm an outsider, but I'm just watching this from thousands of miles away, but they seem totally disconnected from the actual country. What happens here? What it's like? What it looks like?

Who lives here? They don't seem interested at all. Well, I think what. What's happened is Parliament, as I say, when it, whereas it was elected by the people and its interests were aligned with the people, now Parliament and the MPs, an MP earns about £92,000 a year, something like that. I actually give my salary to charity each month. I give it to a great Yarmouth charity. But I think a lot of the MPs need that money, so they've become dependent on that. They've obviously got status as an MP. There's a lot of talk goes on in Parliament. There's a lot of sort of, you know, video calls and meetings in room P and, you know, all sorts of stuff goes on and people feel important, but actually are they delivering for the people? I would argue they're not. So I think we've got to have some form of massive change. And I, you know, I watch what's happening in the US and I think

we need some help from the US. I think I think what's happening. with Donald Trump and with J.D. Vance and with Rubio, I mean, you've got some great people who are really trying to change the way things are going. I think I blame you partly for infecting us with this DEI nonsense and all the other stuff that is seeping into the veins of Britain. But I think you've realized that that's not the way forward. That's not how we're going to get the quality of life and the common sense and the logic and the fairness that we used to have. we've got to expunge all that. And the only way we're going to do that is by very strong people standing up and actually affecting change. And I reflect on the US a lot because as you probably know

that there was a man called John Lambert who played a part in the Civil War. Oliver Cromwell is one of my great historical heroes. Your Civil War. In the British Civil War. Yeah. He and Henry Arson, when Cromwell won the Civil War, he always said, if I lose one

battle, I lose my head. The king can lose a hundred battles and he keeps his. Well, he didn't fortunately lose a battle and he won the Civil War. And then they had to work out how to govern. And this guy, John Lambert and Henry Arton wrote this thing, this paper, which ultimately guided it was called the instrument of power. And its job was to effectively separate the powers that Cromwell was going to have as Lord Protector and put in the checks and balances, which is what you need in any form of democracy, proper checks and balances that controls any sort of aggregation of power which can be damaging. You need some power, but you don't want anybody to become omnipotent. And this is an incredible piece of work, which was then

used in our Bill of Rights. And then some of it was lifted by your founding fathers, Jefferson, Madison, Adams, and Jay, who effectively played a big part in writing the U.S. Constitution, which is the best, I think, attempt at setting out a sort of code for governance which always return power to the individual states and to the individual. Because it's always the individual who gets oppressed by the state. And here we've got a state that now accounts for 50% of our GDP. We've got, as I say, all these quangos, unaccountable people who are doing things. which are damaging the interests of Britain,

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That is the one thing that I notice as a foreigner coming here that does not change, regardless of who's in power, is this constant churn in population, millions of new people. There's never been any indication that Native Britons want that. No Native Americans, no one in the United States wants that. We've gotten it anyway. In my country, they used to say, we need to do this for economic reasons. We need the labor. They don't say that anymore. No one explains why this is happening.

Why is it happening here? What's your guess? Well, I think the essence of immigration is that targeted immigration is good. So if you have a leadership of the country that can identify where skills are short, and you can actually attract people who've got those skills who are going to contribute to the economy. We have no dentists. Let's import some dentists. Exactly, exactly. But you need to have a leadership who's capable of identifying where the shortages are.

And that's good immigration. It's targeted. It's small. and it basically improves the standard of living and the quality of life for the people in the country. Is that happening here now? No, I was just going to go on to say that what's happened here is it's actually been turned on its head.

So what we're doing is we are allowing millions or hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants from different cultures to arrive by boat. And really, since the war, we've also brought in lots of legal migrants who have in some cases contributed, but in many cases they still haven't integrated into what Britain is and what, you know, we are a Christian country, we are, we have our history, we have our roots.

And now we've got sort of pools of people from a different culture with a different belief and a different sort of outlook on life. And that's getting worse. So we are now, and you're seeing this, we're now seeing our best people leaving Britain. So the rainmakers are leaving in huge numbers now. The non-dons who used to be here now have been taxed and they're leaving. They don't have to be here. As you know, in the modern world, you can basically do a job from almost anywhere in the world.

And what you have to do is create the conditions where people want to live somewhere. And 10, 15, 20 years ago, everybody wanted to be in London. When I was young, London was a place to be because it was deregulated, it was fun. You know, people actually could generate wealth. You didn't have too much oppressive regulation and statism. And gradually, it's been strangled a bit like Gulliver. So I think a lot of people, and a lot of my friends are leaving. They're going to live in Dubai.

They're going to live in Milan. They're going to live in... Montenegro. It could be Montenegro. It could be almost... It could be almost anywhere. We just sent a whole load of English money out to Mauritius. I mean, they're getting tax cuts out there.

So, you know, we've given the Chagos Islands away when we didn't need to. we've sort of, I think, perpetrated. Mauritius is an island in the Indian Ocean far, far, far away. Mauritius is an island in the Indian Ocean, but the Chegos Islands, basically a lot of Chagosians living Crawley here, and they didn't want us to, they didn't want to be part of Mauritius. And what's happened is Keir Stama and Herma and Philippe Sands, this sort of bunch of human rights lawyers, you may not know the history.

We actually paid Mauritius some money in 1963 when we were. we gave her independence, so that she had no claim on the Chagos Islands. Arguably, the Seychelles and the Maldives have a bigger claim on the Cheagos signs that are 1,300 kilometres away from Mauritius. But these human rights lawyers have indulged their fantasies and at the expense of the British taxpayer. I mean, we don't quite know what the number is. It's somewhere between 18 and 30 billion over the next 90 years. We've literally handed that to Mauritius, who've now given a tax cut to their citizens on the back of it.

Have you committed a lot of atrocities in Mauritius? No. Why would you owe them billions of dollars? No, but the Diego Garcia base. No, I know the actual story. So, but the Chagosians, a lot of them live in Crawley here. So, you know, they didn't want the deal to happen. They basically don't like the Mauritians.

But if you take three steps back, like, why would you do that? You would only do that if you hate yourself. There's no potential for gain at all for you, your children, your country. what is that well i think a lot of them do dislike what britain was i think they have this sort of hatred of of of colonial britain which i mean if you have a hatred of any form of colonialism you have to have a hatred of the belgian uh a sort of colonization of the congo or the zulu empire or even france's occupation of of north africa so well they still occupy africa to this day they do no no they do they do i i absolutely but i think i think i think i think

No, Britain may have done some things that weren't great, but on the whole, we've, I think, been a force for good. We've left, you know, sound legal systems in India. We've done good things, not bad things. We've voluntarily ended the slave trade. You know, we actually cost us a lot of money. The British Navy was used to police the cessation of the slave trade. So I feel very proud of Britain.

I love Britain, and I think these people, these human rights lawyers, I actually despise them, Tucker. I think they're the enemy of Britain, and I don't understand what motivates them. So that's it. It's clearly not a hatred of colonialism because Africa has been colonized at a scale never before seen by China,

and they won't say a single word about that. I mean, colonialism will never end. The weak, dominating the strong is just a feature of life. It's sad, but that's what it is. They're not mad about that. They're only mad about the West. Well, in the end, history will tell you that we always return to railport.

And realpolitik is basically power ultimately dictates what happens. Of course. And as you say, that's happening. China is very cleverly positioning herself, you know, in countries which are struggling for money, obviously in Africa. I mean, her tentacles are going almost everywhere. And, you know, I think China, in a way, is an extraordinary economy because you've got this, you've got this extraordinary relationship between communism and the, and the way, you know,

their capitalism, which Deng tried to introduce, which has generated a sort of class of people who, and the Chinese are enterprising people who have generated wealth. But then, you know, you've also got this communist bloc. And I visited, when I was chairman of South Hampton, I visited Qingdao, where we, where Southampton's twin with Qingdao. And it's an extraordinary sort of relationship. So very much the capitalist is, is effectively in hock to the communists. So they control everything. And if you look what happened to Jack Marr,

I mean, he built an incredibly successful business in Alibaba. So I think that their blend of communism and capitalism, which if you dig deep, all their state enterprises are incredibly indebted and almost bankrupt. So I don't think her model is sustainable. Meanwhile, she's generated huge amounts of foreign exchange. from effectively, if you like, she's undercut a lot of the Western capitalists in solar panels and other things, and she's running huge trade surpluses, even if internally her finances aren't great. So I don't think her model is a sound model. I think she is actually quite a dangerous

influence. She, I think, bears a very long memory. She never forgets what's been done to her in the past. And I read an interesting book the other day by Colin Thubron called the Amur River. I don't know if you've read about the Amur River, it runs through Mongolia. And it's the history of the relationship between Russia and China. It's a very good book to read, but she never forgets when people breach treaties. It may not happen tomorrow, but it's logged and she remembers. Sell opium to her. And we've done a few things. We've done a few things that she won't have liked historically. So I think we've got to be very wary of China.

I'm in favor of basically liberating what I see as one of the best and most creative economies in the world, which is Britain. And if we can cut away all of the regulations, I mean, when I was young and I worked in the city, London was almost the primary center. We had the Eurobom market. We had a hugely powerful stock market. it, you know, we were raising money for people all over the world. Everybody wanted to be in London. Gradually, the regulatory, and again, you have to blame Tony Blair for a lot of this stuff. A lot of the regulatory legislation, it was called the Financial Services Market Act 2000.

That basically tied the city down, and it started this over-regulation, which has meant that London is now a shadow its former self. So we don't have a position. I mean, NASDAQ has flown on the back. of London's failure. You still have a much more capitalistic approach to your financial markets. Ours are now so regulated that they've become arguably more interested in protecting the value of people's pensions than they have in matching risk capital with entrepreneurs, which is what they should be doing.

They've feminized your finance. No, I've watched. That's it. So what is the British economy now? British economy now. Well, I think the British economy is in pretty bad shape. I don't even know what it is. I mean, I thought it was manufacturing, obviously, greatest manufacturing power in the world and the greatest goods in the world.

Still, like, 100 years later, it's remarkable how well they're made. Well, it's a service industry, a lot of it, as you know. And Jimmy Goldsmith talked about this. I mean, Jimmy Goldsmith's great man. He saved the pound through the referendum party where the other parties promised. He doesn't ever get enough credit for it. So he spoke very well about this, and it was happening in the 90s, really, when we were outsourcing our manufacturing to cheap labor countries. And he forecast what would happen, which is that we would become a dependency culture rather than a culture of innovation.

Because actually, when you've got your factories in different parts of the world, it's there that the innovation takes place. Yes. It doesn't take place in the consuming nations. So I think what's happened is we've gradually been party, or our leaders have, to closing down our economy, damaging the interests of the British people. But the British people are still incredibly creative. I have every faith in their ability if they're cut free. But they've got to be cut free pretty quickly, Tucker. I mean, our view is that if we haven't done it by 29, it could be too late.

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only until it sells out. Shopbeam.com slash Tucker, Code Tucker. Highly recommended. And they're continuing, by the way, to change the population dramatically every year. So, like, the calculation changes every year, as does the culture, et cetera. But I don't think you have an election. I think labor's in charge until 29, unless I'm missing. Labor's in charge till 29, but I think the Achilles heel there, possibly, is the economy. So you talked about what is the British economy. The British economy is, as you know, as the American economy was, relied on something I hate

called quantitative easing, which is basically getting higher on your own suppliers, I call it. It's basically what third world dictators used to do shortly before their currency has descended into chaos. But because you've got this sort of manufacturing taking place in one part of the world and the consumption, another part of the world, they've been able to get away with it so far. But it's still further hollowed out productive Britain. So I'm very worried about our level of debt. You know, we're looking at a level of debt of around 100% of our job. GDP. Our civil service pensions are off balance sheet and there's another, we don't know the exact number, somewhere between 3 and 5 trillion, maybe a bit more, which is probably 200% of GDP. That's

not even on the balance sheet. We have this accounting system called Oscar 2, which I think is probably delusional in that it leaves off chunks of liability and probably enhances chunks of the asset side of the balance sheet. So I think we're delusional. I'm just waiting for our current to collapse. And I think when you say there's not only an election or 29, we have the budget tomorrow where Rachel Reeves, who seems to believe that she can tax herself into wealth and prosperity, which nobody's ever done in history before. And I certainly... Is Rachel Reeves? She's our chancellor of the Exchequer. What's her background, a pretty impressive person?

Well, she's, variously, she's Rachel from accounts or Rachel from complaints, or she told a few poor kids about her CV, which she seems who got away with that, as did a number of other Labour MPs. Apparently it's okay to embellish your CV these days and nobody seems to care. But you're not aware of any material accomplishments in her past? Very, very few. I mean, she's not qualified to be doing what she's doing, but she's an incredibly, she's incredibly arrogant, I think. There's a blend of arrogance and ignorance, which is always dangerous. We have that in our country. So I think, I think that the Achilles heel is if the economy starts to really go into reverse, which I think from my businesses, we're beginning to see orders

slow, the sort of carryover from the COVID money injections, and from, you know, what the Tories did in their latter days, which kept the economy going to some extent, although Britain's growth has been sclerotic for a hell of a long time now. Yeah. So if we start to see a challenge to our ability to finance, finance. finance our deficits, and you probably saw, I mean, our deficit's just out of control. So, you know, it's going up every year. And in the end, if you have a deficit, you've got to finance it.

So I always think the definition of credit is suspicion of sleep. So in the end, people who borrow or fund our debt, buy our gilts, if you like, at the moment they demand a premium in terms of income over other people's debts, over the US debt or German debt. So eventually what they do is they decide they don't want to buy that debt. And then you can't fund yourself. And then you have a funding crisis, a bit like we had in the mid-70s. And in those days, we went to the IMF, and we got the IMF to bail us out.

I'm not sure that the IMF would come and bail us out at the moment, because I don't think an economy which basically robs the productive to fund the indolids. and to fund welfare, I don't think the IMF would put up with that. I'm confused. So you're describing a country on the very brink of bankruptcy in solvency. I think we're very close to it. But you're still importing hundreds of thousands of people every year as asylum seekers as if you're a global empire that can just like spend money with...

I don't call them asylum seekers because the majority of them aren't they're economic migrants. But whatever they are. So that's a big difference. Of course, but I don't even understand how... my country's in southern also so i'm not just speaking of britain but i don't understand how any france is probably worse than us if it's any consolation tucker but i'm not really interested in a race at the bottom france is europe's mississippi you can always point to them and say it's worse but i don't understand how any country that's on the brink of not being able to serve its own people

can decide to serve the world i just don't get that well this is where we're delusional because we our own house isn't in order and we spend our lives worrying about you know what's happening everywhere else, including sending vast amounts of money overseas in overseas aid. I mean, the countries that a lot of these people are coming from, we're sending them aid. I mean, Pakistan, for instance, I think we send 130 billion, 130 million pounds a year to Pakistan. Why? Just one example. You tell me.

And a lot of the people are coming from Pakistan. So I think it's just the people in power. They get a kick, like Latter-day Emperors, who used to say. travel around the world dishing out sort of cash. I think it gives them a lot of pleasure to think that they are these important people, dishing out money we haven't got. Does anyone in London ever go to Switzerland and then the winter to ski or the south of France in the summer to relax? I know they do. Do they notice all the Ukrainians at the Hermes store using their money to buy handbags for 50 grand? Like, does anyone ever notice that? I think people have noticed the Ukrainian money that's

flowing into Monaco in particular. Exactly. So the number of Ukrainian-registered Porsches in Porsches, Aston's, whatever, in Monaco is massive. This is a country in the middle of a four-year-long existential war. You would think people would be poor, but they're richer than ever. Not the people of Ukraine, but the people buying Aston Martins in Monaco and, you know, spending $10,000 on dinner and Korshawl, that money is your money, my money. Does anyone care?

You and I know that some people make a lot of money out of war. War works for some people. But it's not usually funded by other people's taxpayers. Like, war profiteers are a feature of every war, of course. But this is this kind of weird war where... Well, I'm hoping, and it looks like there's some hope that there's been a breakthrough today on that front. I mean, I feel for the young men who are on both sides, who are... Definitely, I agree.

...who are needlessly losing their lives. A bit like in our First World War, you know, we... We, I lost relations in the first and second World War, but I mean, those people, if they looked at Britain today or they looked at America today, would they be prepared to give their lives as they did so valiantly in the trenches in Europe and, you know, Gallipoli and other parts of the world, and many of them, some of them, American people. Including relatives of mine, yes, absolutely. So would they feel comfortable? I'm not sure they would. And I think, you know, I think the, I've always thought that an important element of what made, certainly the US and the UK successful, was this Protestant ethic, this ethic of working hard, of contributing, of being part of something which is basically driven in order to create a better community. Yes. And I think we've lost that ethic. And we've now lost sight of what we are. And somehow we've got to get that back. And if we don't get that back, I don't think the outlook is very optimistic. I think it's not going to be good news.

How do you get that back? Well, we're trying with Restore Britain. We see a movement as being the key. So the only way to, I think, show the sclerotic dying organs of power that they need to change what they're doing is for a mass movement to grow, a spontaneous. which we are seeing. I mean, our social media recently has gone stratospheric, and I think people can see that we are trying our best to highlight the deficiencies in Parliament. That's why it's so important to be in Parliament, because we're able to actually, from

inside, expose exactly how deficient it all is. And then with social media, and thanks to Elon Musk, you know, we actually have now got, I think, a far better. a more functional platform to get the message of what's happening out. And actually, as you know, transparency is the best cleanser of any system, a transparent sort of look at what's going on, which is why very often a lot of these administrations try and keep things as closed down as possible. I'm always a great believer in, you know, if it's transparent and open, it usually functions a lot better.

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be deporting all illegal migrants. They are economic migrants, in my view, not a sign-and-seekers, they've travelled through safe countries, they have no reason to be here, and they should be detained and deported straight away. And I think then we turn our attention to people who've been brought here legally who aren't contributing to the country they also need to be looked at and we need to decide how they work and then we also need to look at the nine million people of working age who aren't contributing to our society you know they've been told it's okay to have mental health issues it's okay to you know stay at home not work nine million non-working working nine million people and that how could you justify we also have these schemes like motibility

I mean the whole country is basically a fraud if you look at it so you know the These people get motor cars. I think I'm right in saying 13% of new car registrations is motobility, which basically... I'm ignorant of what you're saying. What does it mean? Motorability is like a sort of scheme. So if you've got, if you tick enough boxes, you get a car paid for by the taxpayer, three-name drivers, all the insurance, and every three years, you change the car. I mean, the whole thing is complete nonsense.

You get a new car every three years? Yeah. My friends buy old motability motorability vehicles when they've been used by these people who are on benefits. So, no, I look, Tucker, there's a lot wrong. And we have to have a society. Britain voted for a... Britain, the British people voted in 2016, despite the fact the government advised them not to,

but they voted to take back their sovereignty from the European Union. They voted for a British nation state, right? Now, a nation state's job is to protect the interests of its electorate, its taxpayers, its people who live here, who contribute, have contributed historically, who basically fill in their tax reform, write the check, work every hour God gives, try and bring their families up,

and try and lead good lives. That's what we should be rewarding. We should not be rewarding an indolent, lazy culture. But as you probably know, the socialist sort of view of life often benefits from a dependency culture because the people who are on dependency tend to vote for more dependency. And this is why I think, you know, the danger in the budget tomorrow is that Rachel Reeves does lift the two-child caps. So at the moment, you know, if you're on benefits, there's a two-child cap for benefits she's intending to lift that.

And she's then intending to raise the taxes on Productive Britain who can't afford to probably have more than two children so they can pay for people who aren't working who want to have more than two children. So the whole thing is completely arse about face. And I don't know how long it can go on before people do lose their temper. Hopefully they will join, restore Britain and give us the platform to be able to lobby for change and to affect change now. I don't think we've got time to wait. And I do think if the economic conditions turn down very badly, we will be forced into an election at some stage, it may be before 29. That's the Achilles heel on the election. Where's the fierce island spirit

that allowed Britons to rule the world? Well, that is a very good question. I'm being mean. I'm just being... No, I think it's a very fair question, and I wonder, I mean, has everybody had life too good? Are they prepared to stir their stumps

and actually contribute? Because there's no way that a few valiant people are going to be at deliver this. This has to be a mass movement of entirely... It has to be a spontaneous movement. I think it is happening. I think it's beginning. I think we can see.

through our social media, we can see that people are concerned. And I don't think it's a big jump from being concerned to actually doing something about it. But how can your average Britain allow its government to arrest people for saying naughty words on social media? Thousands of people every year. Thousands. How can they allow that? Why don't they surround Parliament, like lifted off its foundations or something, seriously? Well, as you and I know, free speech is the absolute key to, a functioning democracy. You created it. We created it. This country created

and it's so important to everything and we recently had a debate in Parliament because with our membership now we can in Parliament you can have a debate or force a debate in Westminster Hall with 100,000 signatures on an e-petition.

So to your point there's the best example of this is probably Lucy Conley who was caught up in the Southport in the whole sort of emotional upheaval of the Southport killings where three young girls were stabbed to death and I think the country spontaneously reacted. Labor said it was some sort of right-wing planned. Only right-winger subject to kids being killed. It's not. It was a spontaneous reaction

across the country. So Lucy Connolly posted something ill-advised, but arguably, she deleted it three hours later, obviously after the heat had gone out of it. She said the people who did this came from a migrant hostel. But she went to prison for 30 weeks, I think it was. Was it 30 weeks, I think something like that, a bit more than that, a bit more. So she, but she came, we, we host her in Parliament. Did she harm anybody? No.

No. I get death threats, Tucker, and we report it to the police. I think I've had eight death threats in the last three months. And we report it to the Metropolitan Police and the square root of nothing happens. So I would have thought people making death threats is far more dangerous than people posting something in the heat of the moment on social media that they then redact. But you're a member of parliament. I'm a member of parliament. Yeah.

And you get death threats. And we get death threats on social media. But they took your guns away? Well, that was because reform for some extraordinary reason politically assassinated me and made some false witness statement. that I had – Mohammed Zia Rudin Yusuf said that I had threatened him in a meeting, which was palpable rubbish, and that I stood over him and I was – I threatened to hit him. Well, I'm 68, and he's 38, so that's a bad idea to start with, and it just didn't happen like that. So, you know, at the end of the day, we had a debate about Great Yarmouth and my branch office in Great Yarmouth, no more, and the WhatsApp chain proved it.

But he gave this witness statement, and then Lee Anderson gave a witness statement to say that I was going around Parliament saying I was a very fine shot, and I was going to shoot Zia Yusuf. Well, as a result of which the Metropolitan Police arrived mob-handed and took my guns away, and it took me about five months to get them back. So, look, and they also suggested I had early-onset dementia, which was, again, pretty unpleasant thing to do. Do they have any evidence? I don't think I've got early-onset dementia, not that I'm. aware, but I obviously, you know, those people who do have it, it's a pretty horrific thing to have. Oh, of course it is. And if I did have it, and they'd said that, it would have been even more unpleasant. So, you know, I hope I haven't got it. I hope I haven't got it, Tucker. But, you know,

anyway, so we, again, fortunately, I'm, I'm able to fund the legal costs required. I was able to go on the attack. And I think, you know, what they did was just morally and in every other way wrong. But this country, its authorities can just show up and take your guns without producing a conviction, putting you on trial, proving you did anything wrong. No, this country is going badly wrong. I mean, it is going badly wrong. But I think that's probably a symptom of the fact. You know, we've lost our way. People aren't as principled as they used to be. And ultimately, it's a function of statism. I mean, it used to happen in the Soviet Union when you get, when you get central plans. and you get stasi-like behavior, you get little people making maligned decisions behind closed doors and damaging the interests of the good people. So I always say in Russia, when the USSR,

that the qualification you needed to best survive was to be a very good liar. And I think as a result of that, you know, your entire fabric of your society starts to fall apart, which is what happened with them. Nobody takes any responsibility and then, what was it, a generation and a half later, the whole thing imploded. But on the way, a lot of people died, and a lot of people had a pretty hellish life. Not least one of my favorite characters, Alexander Solzhenitson, who I think made some very, you know, meaningful comment about sort of people being free and equal and equal and free, or not equal and not free, whichever way you want to look at it.

So he made some great, great comments. Certainly did. I think we are suffering from too much central planning, too much statism, and too many small people in positions of influence. Last question, I look at what's happening in Ireland, and I know complicated relationship between the two countries. But what's happening to Ireland with mass migration is basically identical to what's happening here in Great Britain, and it's also happening in Australian, Canada, in the US. It's so close, like almost precise. It's the same template. That cannot be in it.

Like, what is that? What are the forces pushing that? Well, I think we have to ask ourselves, why did the post-war elite think that this experiment with multiculturalism was a good idea? Yes. And I don't think any of them have ever really answered that question. I think, obviously, Ireland is a function of what's happened.

happening here. I mean, you've obviously got the wretched Northern Ireland protocol which morphed into the Windsor Agreement, which is shocking division of the United Kingdom, which effectively was, if you like, sacrificed on the altar of Brexit. But on the multiculturalism, again, this goes to, you probably know we've got a big... Can I repeat what you just said because I think I want the question to hang in the air? Why did the post-war elite, I think I'm quoting you, decide that this multiculturalism experiment was a good idea. I don't know. I think it's a thoroughly bad idea. I like nation states who interface with each other, who respect each other, who respect each other's culture, and who basically, you know,

interface with each other like that to try and create this. And again, does it go to the World Economic Forum? Is it the Bilderbergers? Is it the Council on Foreign Relations? Look, I, I, I find it, probably like you do, incredibly difficult to work out where the truth lies often in our modern age. Most people want to live a healthy life centered around their community and their family and they want to be able to wake up in the morning and feel that they've done the right thing by everybody. But it does seem that there is this malign agenda to break down families, to break down communities, to create this multicultural world, where I guess, arguably a small global elite

are able to exert undue influence on how everybody else leads their lives. That's the only solution I can come up with in my limited intellect, but it doesn't add up, does it? It doesn't make sense. Honestly, it doesn't. And I remember hearing people 30 years ago hint that there was some multinational or pan-global conspiracy from the groups you just mentioned and thinking, this is obviously a mentally ill person talking.

And now you just watch the accumulated evidence is overwhelming. This is not organic. It's not the product of democracy. It's not in the interest of our country. It's not in the interest of your country. And no one wants it. It's not in the interest of Ireland. And none of the electorate want it.

So how are we getting it all at the same time? Well, it's a very good question, Tucker. I just don't know the answer to that. But what I do know is the people who care about it. it happening need to now coalesce and actually start to show those people who are perpetrating this on us that they don't want it. And if that means that they get turfed out of power, that's what's got to happen. We've got to turf them out of power and make common sense prevail. It's common sense we're lacking everywhere. But I think there are, you know, as I said,

there are some signs that in the US, you know, people are beginning to address it and people are need to take action. But it's like walking through glue, isn't it? I mean, there's this malign power base that doesn't lie down very easily. And it's always there waiting to pounce again. Thank you very much. Rupert for talking to me. That was great.

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