The Tucker Carlson Show - Shawn Ryan: Trump’s Betrayal, Iran, Government Spying, Encounters With Demons, and Finding God

Episode Date: July 24, 2026

Shawn Ryan on Trump’s betrayal and his own spiritual transformation.  (00:00) The Lies of Politicians (03:20) Shawn Ryan's Spiritual Transformation (18:02) How Shawn's View on Christianity Has Changed (37:34) Has America Lost Its Place as the Global Superpower? (1:20:14) How Your Phone Enslaves You Shawn Ryan is a former Navy SEAL, a former CIA Contractor, owner of Vigilance Elite, and host of The Shawn Ryan Show (https://www.youtube.com/@ShawnRyanShow). Paid partnerships with: Curativa Bay: Take your health back into your own hands. Get 15% off at CurativaBay.com/Tucker VanMan: Use code TUCKER for 15% off your first order at http://vanman.shop/tuckerDutch: Use code TUCKER for $50 off your vet care at https://dutch.com/tucker Carnivore Bar: Use code TUCKER for 15% off your first order of the Everyday Bar at https://carnivorebar.com/tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Thank you for coming back, Sean. Love coming back here. So I was thinking about you this morning. You've had this kind of unbelievably weird and varied life. And maybe the weirdest chapter is now unfolding where you somehow wound up a successful podcast or probably not something you planned. Definitely not. 20 years ago. What if you learned from it from this chapter?

What have I learned? Well, I probably only retained 10% of the information that comes through this too. To be honest with it, and everybody expects me to be a resident expert on anything. I can't remember shit. And then I think I know something, and I have dinner with you last night, and I realize I really don't know. I don't either. Yeah, it's the ignorant meeting the ignorant.

But what have I learned? I've learned. I never want to involve myself in the U.S. political system or vouch for any man again. I've learned. Wait, let's just stop there. So you didn't start out a hyper-political person. I remember when your podcast started my nephew,

told me about it, he loved it. That's how I met you, because my nephew was so impressed by you. And it was mostly on military issues. And then there was this period where you, I don't know, got involved, but you got closer to the political process. And now you're saying you don't want anything to do it that.

No, I never, I just don't. Why? Well, I mean, I think we kind of discussed it last time. I just, everything is a lie. Like that became like a coin term, I guess, but everything is a lie. I mean, every politician I've sat across from with maybe the exception of Eli Crane, who I disagree with on a lot of, I feel, I hate that I even have to say that. I don't agree with everything, everything they have to see.

You know, why the fuck do we have to say that? I like Eli. he's very pro-Israel i'm not but um but he can articulate why he is and whatever i respect it at least he's not just regurgitating you know like most people but everybody else it's just you know it's been a lie and and and then the other thing is i mean which it really shouldn't bother me but you you talk to somebody and then it's like you you how dare you platform that person and it's like actually i probably just did you a favor because he just spent four hours lying to me on my podcast that you're going to be able to use for his next political

campaign. Exactly. Too fucking stupid to figure that out, aren't you? But, I mean, it's, you know, and they do. And, and, and I just, I don't know, you know, I put a lot of faith in a lot of these guys and women, you know, that have come on. And really, the only one that really impressed me. It was Joe Kent, you know, in the long run. Everybody else has just been a wash or a complete disaster.

Just a lying piece of shit. What about you? As we discussed last night at dinner, I'm still trying to figure out what all of this means as someone who campaigned for Trump and told everybody, Trump is the option to the Unip Party. You got Republicans, Democrats are on the same side, but Trump is not. he's on a different side, maybe even the public side. And then Trump, the last hope, winds up aligning with Chuck Schumer and just joins the

uniparty in the most obvious way. At that point, you have to ask yourself, is there a political solution to the problems that we have? I don't know the answer, but I'm starting to think maybe there isn't. I don't know. I feel as discouraged as you do, though. I don't articulate it quite as well and forcefully as you do, but I kind of, I kind feel that way. So, but I'm interviewing you. So let me ask you, you're out of politics. So where does that

leave you? What matters? What takes its place? I think, I mean, just, I'm not sure yet. I'm still, you know, we talked last night. I'm kind of going through, not kind of, I'm going through crazy spiritual transformation right now. And I think, I think, I think God needs to be highlighted and maybe some good stuff. I mean, nobody's, I mean, you just, you can't put faith in man at all. And it's kind of sad to watch everybody scurrying around trying to find the next guy and who's it going to be. And you can already see people just like blindly like putting their faith into another human being. and it's sad and and spent a lot of time I became obsessed with evil like obsessed with it

and it started with the kid stuff which I'm still I'll probably never stop that that's just a passion of mine that I you know I can I can handle it like I can handle the subject matter and I think it's important and I know we've done a lot of good there and by educating parents and kids about what you know what's actually going on and I mean roadblocks for example we did an episode on what was going on on roadblocks and I think we took like five or six billion dollars off the the cab table in one day or one week I mean and I think you know that's good but so where am I going wait can you back up you became obsessed with evil what yeah I just well I think it started you know with code

and the LGBT stuff. And I don't really care about, I don't care what adults are doing, but you know, eight-year-old kids, that just really bothered me. Like it still does, really bothers me. And so that's kind of where it started, and then, and then,

and then it's just everywhere you look. You know, everywhere you look is a lie, and the institutions are a lie. The politicians are lying. Everybody's lying. People are manufacturing narratives just for, just to create controversies so they can boost their views. And I don't know who to believe, I don't know what to believe anymore at all.

And I mean, everything, even here, like, what's his name? Steve, Steve, he's a reporter here. The Somalia fraud that's going on. Oh, yes, Steve Robinson. Yeah, yeah. Love that guy. He's a great man. But it just, I just, I got, I just, I don't know.

I just became obsessed with, like, all this shit that's going on in the world. And it's dark, man. So you felt it was your job to uncover evil. Yeah. And, you know, I say that, oh, I can't be influenced. Like, I don't let advertisers influence me. I don't let politicians tell me what to do. even though they're calling me trying to, you know, tell me what to do.

Don't talk about the land sale in Utah. Don't talk about, actually, this guy really helped me with my campaign. Actually, I don't really give a fuck who helped you with her campaign. But now I lost where I was going with this, but. Well, you said you became obsessed with evil, uncovering evil, you focused on evil, and that somehow led to a spiritual transformation. Yeah. Well, so it never ends.

It's basically what I'm getting. Oh, I was talking about audience and I was talking about being influenced. Yeah. And then everywhere you go, people are patting you on the back and pat you on the bud. You know, good job, you know, you're doing God's work. You're doing this. And you see the views and you see the comments and you see the likes. And you see the reaction videos.

And everybody's just praising you. And it gets to you. I didn't realize it was getting. to me, but... It's not the criticism that destroys you. It's the frattery, yeah, that destroys you. Because you... But they don't know what God wants.

So you got all these millions of people, you know what I mean, interacting with you telling you these things, everywhere you go. And it gets to you. And, you know, I did... You know, we talked last night about my laugh. I just got back from... Ibegain, 5MEO experience. Didn't go great.

Found hell. Hell. Hell. And I don't want to go too far into it because I don't want to have a belt down on your show. It's okay. But I'm just not ready, you know, to dive into it. But, but yeah, I've felt what hell. was going to be like not like seeing devils and fire and whatever demons and all that like it was it was a feeling

and i never ever want to feel that again ever so you know successful experience i guess i never ever want to do it again maybe the most successful experience yeah it definitely sent me down a new uh a new path and i'm still trying to figure out. But, you know, I went to Mass on Sunday and I'm like full-blown going back into the Catholic Church now. And the, here and Maine I went and the priest was talking about, I want to butcher this, but he was talking about weeds, wheat and wheat. Have you heard this analogy?

And he was good people are the wheat. and the bad or the weeds. And every once in a while, well, a weed will come out and he'll start calling out all the weeds only to become a weed himself. And basically what he's getting at is, you know, I can sit here and I can call out this evil,

like all the time, you know, and uncover all the fucked up shit that everybody's doing, that everybody, you know, has put their blind faith in. But in the end, we're all, evil. We all have an evil side to us. And then you meet these people and they're very charismatic and you're like, oh man, he seems like a really nice person. He's a nice guy. Maybe he is. But he's influenced. Yes. They are influenced. We are influenced. And I think it's time to, I just think it's time to turn a corner because we are all, we all have an evil side.

We all are selfish in our own ways. And it's too easy to call other people out all the time. Yeah, yeah. And maybe they don't realize they're doing it. I think a lot of them do. I think a lot of them know. But I don't think that's really necessarily what God wants. You know, the way I used to do it is,

I would wait until something came across my desk or something came to my attention that I felt really passionate about like kids. And then I would do the thing. And it would be so explosive. It would be like the perfect storm. And then all the praise came behind that. And I think I got caught up in that praise

and then I'm now I'm searching, you know, for the, what's the next thing? You know, let's talk about neural link. Let's talk about, let's talk about Trump. Let's talk about Israel. Let's talk about everybody. Yeah, exactly. Everybody's doing something. And so a lot more than others.

And I'm still passionate about those topics, but it never ends. It never ends. And I don't, I don't. I feel like I was maybe shown hell and I'm still experiencing it for a reason. And I gave you the analogy last night that if my son's, you know, playing with the electrical socket, and he keeps sticking his finger in there. And I'm like, no, don't. Hey, you're going to shock yourself.

Hey, go time out. All right, that's it. You know, go to your whatever. Eventually, I'm just going to let him stick his finger in there and figure out why I don't want him to stick his finger in that. And I think maybe that's what, maybe that's what Christ did to me. He was, he was like, all right, here it is, buddy. You want to feel it?

That's what it is. And I never want to touch that shit ever again. You know, if the last couple of years have taught us anything and said the people in charge of public health, public health, don't actually care about public health. Apparently they want you dependent, waiting around for the next mandate or their next set of rules. But what if you wanted to take control of your own health? Well, our friends at Curitiva Bay offer great alternatives to these sketchy, so-called medicines,

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Obviously, you've got to do it yourself, and they can help. Well, you seem very resolved on that. I mean, it sounds like it was, you really got a taste of it. Worst feeling I've ever felt in mind. Yeah, it's indescribable. It's funny. Normally, I have curiosity. I would like want to know more, but I actually don't want to know more

because it's upsetting even hearing that. And so you came away thinking that God directed you to this place to teach you something and that thing was you want to avoid hell i hope that's what it is first i thought that's where i'm going um but now i think maybe that's what it is what were your first reactions like your first reaction was i don't want to go there so what do you do to keep from going there pray build a relationship um plant some seeds maybe i don't know i'm still trying to figure it out. You know, one thing I told you, I've read maybe half the Bible. I can comprehend maybe 5, 10% of it. And so one thing I'm kind of kicking around is maybe going through every book and doing a full-blown.

I mean, look, we both have access to pretty much anybody we want in the world, right? Yeah. And so that's the upside of the job. Is it? Yes, I think. Because they have access to you, too. No, it's fair. And, but maybe, you know, I bring on the best and the best theologians, maybe whoever I want to learn from and bring them in.

and well, let's start with Genesis. And it'll force me to read it. And then maybe we do this every week. Maybe we do it every other week. Maybe we do it every day. I don't know yet. I actually have a meeting with my team who's like extended family to me

about how we're going to put this all together. Is everyone on your team on board with this way of thinking, do you think? Yeah. You've been Christian? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

When you started, what year did you start the podcast? Christmas, 2019. Boy, that's fast. So almost seven years. What were your views on Christianity then? I mean, I just didn't really think about it. Yeah. You know, I just didn't really think about it.

I didn't really think about politics, but then COVID happened, you know, shortly, what, a couple months after. And so that's kind of when I started paying attention. I was pissed off about things about Benghazi and Hillary Clinton and stuff like that. Yeah. But other than that, it seems like a different world, doesn't it? Yeah, definitely. It was a different world.

But I just, I've just learned you can't, you just can't really trust anybody in that realm. Very few people he can trust. And I interviewed this guy Pete Blaber. Have you heard of Pete Blaber? Pete Blaber was a colonel over at Delta. And I mean, we both know there's tons of lies have come out of the military. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I've noticed. Yeah.

I mean, some of the biggest, he talked about the Pat Tillman stuff. He talked about Operation Anaconda. You know, still another lie coming. out of development group. Lots of those, lots of lies coming out of the SEAL teams, lots of movies made that were bullshit. And,

but he actually uncovered a lot of that stuff on my show because he was a part of it. And, like, the Iraq invasion was based off the lies. Do you know about this? The water truck and the air conditioning unit and the Century Guard? No. So there was a Delta unit out there.

And when Colin Powell was, what, Sextef, was that what he was? Yeah, or Secretary of State. Yeah, Secretary, whatever. And they sent him some imagery, and Pete was like, Pete said, I don't want to hear what you guys think this stuff is. Me and my guys will figure it out. We'll get it back to you. And then you'll have an unbiased.

We don't want to be swayed. And so they checked into it. And so what I guess Department of State said was a mobile Scud missile launcher and a WMD factory with a huge air filtration system on the roof and sentry guards outside the door. What Delta, arguably the best special operations unit in the world came up with is That's a water truck, huge water truck because they're in the middle of the desert and they need water. And that big air filtration unit on the roof is an air conditioner.

Because they're in the desert. And the sentry guard outside is a dude taking a piss. And he sent it in and they totally discarded everything and launched the invasion. And so, you know, and then there's, you know, you know about all the thing. I don't want to get into it, but with all the lies coming out of just the SEAL teams alone. And there are a lot of lies coming out of the SEAL teams. Oh, yeah. You know, it's a, this was a total fuck-up.

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Yeah. Don't look like happy people. But, at least to me, but it just, you know, what it made me realize is, uh,

it's like, man, like, that was, what? I was like a shame to have ever even been a seal. And there's all kinds of the Eddie Gallagher case. That was all fucking lies.

I mean, And there's lots of, they were going to pin their own guys to the wall. You know what I mean? For bullshit, the Blackwater incident. That was all lies. They deleted the drone footage to prove their innocence. But it just made me think, I'm like, man, like, I was a part of that institution. That's, I wish I never was.

You wish you were never a Navy SEAL? I mean, I don't regret it. I enjoyed my time there, but I mean, it's just, I obviously don't align with the ethics. and whatever value system they're going off of, which doesn't seem to be much. But anyway, so the point being is that's just one institution inside of the U.S. Navy. That's it.

One small, like very seal teams, very, very small part of the U.S. Navy. And then he's talking about Ranger Battalion. And then there's all these other units. And it's, and it just made me think it's like, man, like, this is just one war and one small part of the U.S. government, very small part. So that means every single U.S. institution out there is doing the same shit, obviously CIA, obviously FBI, of everything, all Congress, all of the Senate, everybody in it, the presidents, everybody. and it just made me realize how the whole country is just built off dishonesty literally lies and then you think man I'm only I'm only 40 years I'm only 43 years old

like a very small snippet in the time of the country let alone the world in all the other countries and all of their institutions and then and then it's and then it's just It's like what we said last time. Everything is a lie. Everything you fucking know is a lie. Everything you think you know. Everything in the history books. It's all fucking lies.

All of it. So when you look ahead, you became one of the most successful people in this business, amazingly. So there's only one truth. And I think that's, I'm just not really interested in anything else anymore because it's all garbage. And it's that black book right behind you, the Holy Bible. That's the one truth. That's it. You can't even look anywhere else.

It's so painfully obvious at this point to me. Other than the experience you just had that you alluded to, what convinced you? That that's real? Yeah. Well, I've had a ton of encounters. Encounters. Yeah, you know, I mean, even after that, there's been a, after, it's been a long three weeks. And I'll just say this.

I've talked to some of the most respected exorcists in the country. And I've been working with them and things have happened. and like really scary shit and if that's happening and that's real which is more real than anything I've ever experienced than the other is definitely real too that's right that's exactly right it's exactly right if there are supernatural forces that are evil acting on people which there are and I've experienced them personally, then that's proof of God. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, it's not faith to me anymore.

It's it's fact. It is 100% fact. There's just, there's, there's just no other way to look at it. Isn't that a comforting fact? Yeah, it is. I mean, I don't know what the hell we're in for here in the future. Yes, but, so, but I mean, it's definitely comforting. knowing that if you, if you do the right thing and we all know what that is,

and you do your best, then hopefully you're going to end up, you know, in a good place. I'm not sure all of us know what the right thing is. When you say do the right thing, what is that thing? Oh, I think people know. It's a feeling. Do you think these people all feel good about all the lies there's running around? No. They get lost on them.

They forget, if they lie so much, they forget what they lied about. We can't even keep track of them all. Lying is like that, isn't it? Did you, there's not a lot of talk about hell in the United States. You're younger than I am, but we grew up in the same country. You don't, you know, you can go a whole day without hearing anyone mention hell in a literal sense. There's no, most Americans don't really believe there's an actual risk of going to hell. Did you?

Yeah. but I just never imagined it to be anything close to what I just experienced. Never. What did you think it was? I don't know, you know, and I don't know. I mean, I don't think the human mind can imagine that kind of agony and torture and and aloneness. A loneness.

Yeah. I don't think it, you just can't. you can't put it together unless you feel it and uh and i've i either felt a small glimpse or i got the whole thing either way um i'm sure it could be a lot worse i don't know how but this um it was bad it was it was really the most terrifying thing i've ever experienced in my entire life can't even I just can't even describe it. I actually brought my priest on and recorded a whole episode on this. I don't know if I'll release it because it's, I mean, it's personal.

But I want it for my family to see if nothing else, you know, I want my son and my daughter to see it eventually. Maybe they'll go through something similar. And like I said, it's ongoing. So I want to, I'm not out of whatever this is yet. So I want to document the whole spirit experience. Some people journal, I, I just shoot the video, I talk. Why wouldn't you release that?

I don't know. I don't know. I just want to make sure I'm in a clear headspace before I do do it. You know what I mean? I think that's very wise. I never wait for a clear headspace before me. making decisions. I usually don't either. I've paid the price many times. I usually don't either. Yeah, no, I'm not a pause before acting guy. It gets, I mean, I think you know, I've been pretty

vulnerable. I'm an open book. And it's, I don't know, maybe I just save this one from myself, because most of my stuff is out there. And, you know, the only thing I really won't talk about is like my family. But that's not you. That's them. You're protecting. Yeah. But, you know, it gets weird. Like, meet people and they think they know you because they do, kind of. But you're like, what do you know about me?

What have you heard that I've said? You know nothing about them, and it just puts you in a really uncomfortable state sometimes. Do you know what I mean? Do I know what you mean? Yeah. Yeah. You get used to it after a while. We are strongly pro-dog on this show.

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slash tucker but yeah of course I know what you mean yeah it's it's weird but you know it's everyone has a weird life in their own way and that's the way that we have a weird life

So that's what I think to myself anyway. Everyone's got their own thing they have to deal with it. Yeah, but that is very strange, and it can make you a solitary person and you wind up not wanting to deal with anyone you don't know well and trust. That's me. I'm fine with that, though.

I am too. I don't even like doing these anymore. I haven't even done one of these since yours. Really? Yeah, I don't. I just, I don't like doing them anymore. I feel like everybody has an expect. of me and

and I never want to get caught up talking about shit that I don't know. I see a lot of people that, you know, that they turn into a character, they feel pressure like they have to know something and then they just fucking go with it. The next thing you know, it's like,

you actually have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, do you? I've been there so many. If you run a cable news show where you're not in control with the topics, you're responding to the day's news, I did this for like 25 years, and you just you know, you look at the papers or Twitter or whatever.

It's whatever everyone's talking about. That's what you have to talk about. And sometimes it's right in your sweet spot of knowledge. And other times it's so far out, you know, it's about American Indian reservation policy or something. It's like you don't know anything. And all of a sudden you sort of look down on the set and see yourself speaking when kind of a commanding tone with false authority on something. You literally know nothing about it all. and then eventually you get God.

Of course, or you indict yourself. You lose self-respect after a while because you know it's all fake, which is worse, I think. And I've definitely participated in that. You know, definitely participated in that. Let me tell you about the Hungarian Civil War. Says the man who doesn't speak Hungarian or whatever, you know what I mean? It's like, yeah, that's bad.

And that's the beauty of this gig is you get to pick, you get to talk about what you want to talk about. and if you have some restraint and against some self-respect, you restrict yourself to topics that you have developed views about some knowledge of, you think matter, like objectively matter.

You don't have to talk about other people's priorities. So that helps. Yeah. I like hanging out with you though, so I want to do this one. I like this one. Yeah, well, I'm not. I'm too old to judge.

But I mean, you know, and back to the point, too, where I just I don't even know I don't even know why like I'm just beating the same fucking drum over and over and it's like yeah what are we doing here man is anything getting solved like everybody knows what's going on right right it's it's out

how many times can you point out that everything's alive before it's like pointless pretty much and discouraging by the way is that this is what I think to myself because I have had exactly the same thoughts that you're describing It's like, is this good, is it good to keep telling? I mean, obviously 9-11 is not what they told us.

I'm not exactly sure what it was, but they're lying about it. Kennedy assassination, obviously they're lying about it. Everything they're lying about because they're liars. So I've made all those points about a million times, but with decreasing enthusiasm and at a certain point, you're like, I'm telling people something they already know. I'm not actually bringing the truth because the truth is unknowable. Like, I can't figure out what happens. really and maybe I'm just making people hopeless.

It's kind of what I'm getting at. I mean, what do you think it looks like if, well, not really, I mean, I think I don't even think we're the superpower anymore. I think that's becoming more and more obvious every day, but a lot of people do, so let's phrase it like this. What do you think it looks like if we do lose our place in the world? world. Do you think it's going to be that bad? I've been looking into some of this with what happened when Germany fell and what happened when the UK fell and what happened to the USSR when it fell.

Some of them were really bad and some of them like the UK stuff didn't. It didn't really seem that bad. Like they still had law and order. Their currency was still worth money. I think they had a lot of debt. Property rights still existed. And, but they just, the world figured it out. We don't need to answer these people anymore. There's a new sheriff in town. There are only two things you need to survive long term, in my opinion. One is a coherent nation.

Like, you have to have Germans. Like, everyone understands what a German is. You've got a shared history, language, cultural assumptions. Like, you have something in common with your countrymen. and you have to have your dignity and your self-respect. You can't be convinced to hate yourself just because you lost something. They can't break your spirit. They can't turn you into the prison bitch.

And because if that happens, then there's no recovery at all. And the loss isn't measured in GDP. It's like much bigger than that. And so I would argue that the collapse of the British Empire, the collapse of the German state in 1945, the country was literally split in half. I mean, those were pretty soft landings on a surface level, but they were profound. And those nations were destroyed for all time.

Whereas Russia, which went through in 91 when the Soviet Union dissolved, went through a period of, you know, 10 years of lawlessness and the oligarchs and the mafia and people getting shot to death in Moscow and life expectancy plummeting and everything that we read about in the Western press. but actually Russia remained a coherent nation with a shared vision of the future. It remained an actual place, like a real place. And now it's recovered, and now it's a great power again. It's a world's largest country, and it has a sense of itself as that,

and it will continue. It will outlive us. It will outlive Germany in the UK, that's for sure. Whether you, you know, my ancestors are from the UK in Germany. So, like, I'm kind of on their side in some deep sense, but just objectively, they're not going to exist. because there's no such thing as a German anymore. The majority of births in the UK are non-English.

So, like, what does it even mean to, there's no country? But before that, I mean, it was a soft landing. Yeah, they had rationing in Britain for 10 years after the war. They had rash. I didn't realize. Oh, yeah, yeah. I think for 10, some genius on the internet will correct me, but I think, yeah, for 10 years. Oh, it wrecked the British economy, the fall of empire.

the empire really ended in 1918, but whatever. The point is, Americans still thought Britain was a real country and impressive. It was our parent. Being ambassador of the Court of St. James was the highest honor in the U.S. State Department. Like there was a lot of prestige that attached to Britain, not so much anymore, but the country itself was gone. And you know you're gone when you start importing people to replace your children. Like that's just the most obvious, you know, what's your birth rate doing? Are people reproducing?

Do they have enough confidence and enough self-respect to keep the project going with their genes? And no, they don't. So I think the bigger the empire, the farther out over its skis it gets, obviously the more harder it falls. Exactly. The uglier the crash. And I'm worried about our country because there is no coherent nation. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I spoke to an employer this morning, a big industrial employer who's a close friend of mine. You know, Republican, optimistic, very smart, very smart person, very decent Christian person.

And he said to me, we have zero unemployment in the state that he's a Midwestern state. He said zero unemployment. I don't care what they tell you. We can't find English speaking workers. Nobody speak English. And you have to to work on our plane. You have to speak English for safety reasons. and we can't. Nobody speaks English. And this is in a major American Midwestern state. This is a major industrial company makes things. He said we can't.

Nobody. In fact, he told me one of his competitors is going out of business because of labor shortages. And the problem is English. There just aren't enough English speakers in the United States to staff a factory. Holy shit. So I think those of us who live in kind of like legacy communities

where, you know, half your neighbors had an ancestor in the Civil War are not seeing what the country's becoming because we're cut off from it because we live in these little pockets that look like our childhood. But that's not a reflection of what the country is. That's not happening in Russia or China or Iran. So those are the measures, like all this stuff like, oh, the nuclear program and whoever is running the country today and Yeltsin versus Putin,

it's like, who cares? That's all window dress. I mean, those are meaningful, I guess. I mean, of course they're meaningful, but they're not ultimately the measures that matter. What matters is who lives in your country. Are there people whose ancestors live there or are they brand new people

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outside of us or in our political system, but what's happening inside of us. I think, as you said, we're all kind of evil. Yeah, I think so. I think I don't know how to fix it, Tucker. I mean, what the fuck do I know? But I think that I think maybe people need to tune out a little bit and start working on themselves. Maybe, maybe for lack of a better term, just be the person you want everybody else to be. And that problem will work.

But that's what I'm going to do. That's the only thing that will work. be the person you want everyone else to be. Have you ever had this experience when you're arguing with someone up to and including your wife, but you're mad at someone who you know well and you look at that person in your mind, you're like, I'm mad at Sean because he's doing this.

He's being this way. And if only he would stop doing this or being that way, things would be fine. And then this is like a very common marital experience, I think, for people. And then you ultimately realize Like whatever you're accusing the other person I'm doing is exactly what you're doing. Like you're being grouchy. Yeah.

I realize actually I'm being grouchy. Yeah. You don't think like me. That's what it is. Yeah. But there's something in people that wants to accuse others of doing exactly what they're doing. Have you done that? Oh, all the time.

All the time. And sometimes I can't even see it because I'm big on self-reflection. and how I can improve. And I'm really big on trying to, you know, making sure that I don't get too far ahead of my skis and my ego doesn't blow up. But you just don't see a lot of things. You don't see a lot of things in yourself.

And, or it's hard to, like I said. And so, like I told you last night, I'm not, I'm just not really, that's why I'm not, I'm off everything now. The only thing I'm on is YouTube, but I don't even look at the back end of the metrics or the financials like I used to. Like, I'm not on Instagram. I'm not on X. I'm not on anything.

I don't want to see any comments. I don't want to see any view counts. I don't want to hear Sean, you're doings God's work. I don't want to hear Sean you suck. I don't want to hear a Sean, you're fucking Qatari, whatever. I don't want to hear any of it. Like I don't want to hear the praise. I don't want to see.

I just want to hear God. And I want to be quiet so I can hear that. And start leaning a lot more into my intuition, which I've always kind of prided myself on anyways. But it's impossible to do it with all the noise, especially with all the praise. You know, and so I needed to be quiet. So I know what to do.

and I know how to act. People will hear that and say, but you run one of the biggest podcasts and your podcast is about the rest of the world, how do you know what's happening the rest of the world outside of your own home if you're not on social media? I don't care anymore.

Okay. I don't care anymore. My podcast will be whatever I want it to be, you know, and it always has. Well, I guess I can't say it always has been because I leaned into the audience there for about probably a little over a year. Like leading up to the last presidential election, you know, I was doing what I wanted to do, but then I saw, you know, that's when all the praise started coming,

and I'm just, I'm done with that. So I'm just waiting for God's direction to tell me what to do. And with the Bible thing, I think that's what I think that's, I think that's what I'm supposed to do. to your audience. I mean, that's a very familiar thing to anyone who does this for a living. Can you just describe that a little more for people who don't?

Well, I mean, it's what I've been saying. It's the praise. It's the comments. And responding to it, programming on the basis of it? It's what are they, oh, these numbers shot up. We need to do more of this. Oh, that's going to be big numbers. Let's do that.

You know, and I mean, I'm not saying, like, I totally sold out to it or anything, but it was a big driver. It was a huge driver. Yes. You know, and, and I wanted to, I wanted to, I wanted to take the numbers one slot. I wanted the $200 million deal that Rogan got. I'm not going to get it.

That's just not how my life works. I always have to, nothing has ever handed to me. And I always have to find other avenues to get what I want. Would you want $200 million? Yeah, I mean, of course, that's what I want it. Now I don't give a shit because now I see it. It just never fucking ends. It never ends.

So now I don't because now I was, you know, another thing, I was putting business and money over, I hate to say it like this. And that's not, that wasn't my intention when I was doing it. But now that I can self-reflect, I realized that I was putting money and attention and maybe power. And I fucking thought I was somebody because of who I'm associated with, I can fucking access anybody in the world. What the fuck do you know?

What the, they probably know more than I do. I don't know shit. And I'm watching my kids get older. And I'm like, fuck, man, how much time did I miss? Like, because my own bullshit, my own ego, like, oh, I'm fucking somebody. Look who I'm having lunch with. Look who I'm going to see. Look who I'm talking to.

I know everything. And then you get all the information. And what do you do with it? Nothing? You just fucking look cool. you sound important, and your kids are growing up. Yeah.

Makes me sad. I don't want to do that again. If it makes you feel better having been in this business my whole life, I think every single person goes through what you've described and the life cycle of yours is the shortest I've ever heard.

If you like figure that out in a year, you know, while your children are still small, you haven't gotten to the cats in the cradle stage where they're like, yeah, you blew it, dad. We hate you. I hope I'll never get to that stage. Well, you won't because you figured it out young.

You went through it really fast. But there are people, I can think of one in particular, really good guy, great guy, very well-informed, very famous person in our business missed his entire life. He's the entire guy. Fun guy to have lunch with, you know, knows everybody, knows everything, funny storyteller, you know, you'd like him. But a tragic, tragic person and was left at the end. with literally nothing.

Gone, man. Gone, it's gone. It's gone. He gained the world but lost his soul. And I know a lot of people like that. Me too. Yeah. So, no, I couldn't agree with you more.

So you said that you have a program, I mean, if you don't mind, I would love to know what your program is for keeping hubris at bay, for keeping yourself from imagining your God when you're not. Like, you're obviously disciplined, you're a SEALs, you're a self-disciplined person. Like, what steps do you?

go through other than getting off social media to keep yourself from getting delusions of omnipotence well this is all new to me yeah so i don't i don't know but uh i don't know what to tell you you know that the the psychedelics cracked me open wide open again and um and uh i guess i'll probably never do them again um because they because they you got what you wanted from them I can't say I got what I wanted, but I didn't get anything from them. I got it all from God. And I kept saying that, like psychedelics would be like a fucking quick fix for me. I just want to clean it out.

I want to reset. And I would take all the science that they're finding, you know, the good things about it and justify it. And but, you know, and in the end, I think you're opening. You're just in a forbidden realm. Maybe we should or should not be fucking around in. But I won't be fucking around in that realm anymore. I can tell you that. And I got strict guidance, which, you know, I told you last night that is don't mess around in that anymore.

But it's done a lot of great things for people. Strict guidance from God. And it's done a lot of great things for me. this is painful as this is to go through. It's, it, you know, it's, I'm thankful for it. But that, but, yeah, I don't know what the steps are, Tucker. I'm just figuring it out loud. Maybe saying it out loud is the first one.

I think the steps are, listen to your wife, pay attention to your kids, and some of the people that are really, really close around you. but even that, you know, even with my team. Like my team's like my family. Like Tim who's sitting over here, he's been with me since the fifth episode. And Kimball is, he's been with me since he's 17. He's like 26 or 27 now.

Darren's been with me. Elijah has been with me since I think the fifth episode, too. He runs my whole company now. started off making like 200 bucks an episode doing sound. Like he's like a sound engineer. Now he runs my whole company. I hired all these fucking CEOs and all these bigwigs to come in and run him. And this kid, I love that.

He runs circles around him. And I trust him with my life. But, and so we're like a family. But even with them, I mean, with my show has just gotten so. big. It's inflated all of our egos. And so we're a bunch of good people with inflated egos that don't realize that we all have inflated egos because of what we built. And I would constantly, I'm like, why you go getting to me? Oh, you're good. No, sir. You're perfect. It's not that, though. It's not that. They tell me when I'm fucking up. It's not that. Their ego is also being

inflated because they're just as much a part of this as I am. And they've built something, massive and that grows an ego and they see the comments and they get the praise. Yes. And they go through all of that with me. You know, and so we're all blind to it. So it takes somebody close that's not inside of it to set your ass straight. Yes. Does that make sense?

Of course it absolutely does. It's not the yes men. I don't have any yes men. I don't either. I hate people like that. Fired all the yes men. I've had a couple hyper-annoying kids. work for me over the years who I truly love, two of them at different times. And they were the no-men

and they would doubt everything and constantly criticize me in a hyper-annoying way. But I trusted them because I thought they were being honest. They're both kind of autistic. And they'd be like, I think it's really stupid what we're doing. I would always want to say, shut up, I employ you. But then I would force myself to listen and I learned more from them. Both turned out to be very successful in life actually. But I loved having people like that. Yeah. As much as I hated having people like that. I always listen to them. Yeah. Oh, me too. Yeah. Um, so as you embark on whatever is going to happen next in your professional life, does part of you think, well, gee, you know, I'm so successful in conventional terms. Maybe I shouldn't mess with the formula. Are you afraid?

No. Have you even thought of that? Yeah. Like what happens if the numbers go to zero? Yeah. I don't care because it's not worth doing if it's not authentic. So if they go to zero, then they go to zero. But if I am doing what God wants me to do, then they're not going to go to zero, are they?

I personally think it will be bigger, actually. for what i know that's not why you're doing it but if i had to guess i would say that anyone even former navy seals who've never been in broadcasting before anyone who's as honest as he can be succeeds i think that thank you but because there's so little of it that i don't think the measure is are you always right no one is i'm certainly not but if you're making like an obviously sincere effort to tell the truth. People really love, they crave it because there's just not much of it at all. Like that's the superpower and you seem like you're embarking on like a radical version of that. So I bet you're going to have radical results. I mean, again, not that you care.

And because you don't care, that's why it's going to work. If it happens, it happens. And if it doesn't, That's fine, too. Are you like the people closest to you totally on board with this? I think so. We'll find out on, we'll find out later this week when we have the meeting, but they're going to be. You know what I mean? They're going to be. So did you know that there were supernatural forces, demons that could act on people?

Did you grow up knowing that? Did you think about that? I definitely didn't grow up knowing that. You know, the first time I felt it, I thought maybe we chatted about this last time, but maybe we didn't. But the first time I really felt it was maybe three years ago. I just done my Ryan Montgomery, who's you met and love that guy. He's one of my best friends. He's going to be my son's godfather.

Wow. and here next month. But I just did his episode, which really, like, really hurt me. And Tyler Andrew Vargas, who was the survivor at Abigate, who was like 24 years old, had his arm blown off, had his leg blown off, has a bag, you know. And I'm like watching this kid, like, hobble up my stairs. with the Afghan withdraw

and the lies they came out about that and nobody would talk to him. Here's a God thing. So I thought my whole team was like, you need to get this kid. I'm like, he didn't want. He's got like every major news outlet probably wants to talk to him.

Tucker Carlson probably wants to talk to him. Joe Rogue, I'm like, he doesn't want to fucking talk to me. There's no way. and I pinged him on Instagram and he hit me right back and you know a lot of the guests come out we have breakfast

you know the day of or we have dinner the night before and we're having I'm having breakfast with him and his fiance and he's like man he started crying and he's like man he goes, all these news networks were trying to get me.

And he goes, good morning America. Interviewed me for like seven hours. And they released like, I can't remember. It was like five minutes or five seconds. I think it was like five seconds of the interview. And he's like, I was there for seven hours. And he's like, I looked at my fiance. And he goes, I just wish the Sean Ryan guy would just reach out to me.

And he pulled up his phone. and sure shit, there was a message from me. And he broke down right there at the table. That is wild. And so me and my wife went to Sedona. We went on this vacation to Sedona. And so I was like, I just found out how bad it is with what's going on with kids online and the sex exploitation and pedophiles and all that kind of stuff.

And then like the day after I did that interview was Tyler Andrew Vargas. and then and then um oh and then uh uh the one friend that i had and and where i live at the time who didn't who who's like a genuine friend of successful guy who owned some hospitals he didn't need anything from me i don't need anything from him i really enjoy those relationships i know there's not a fucking hidden ask getting ready to happen or some kind of agenda or a photo op or whatever it may be and um like just genuine we can go out of to eat and it's not going to be, hey, could you mind if we just, you know, could you, I got this new, you know, that kind of shit and it's just genuine friendship.

Anyways, he died. He died. Yeah, he died. He died on a hunting trip. His name's Dan Sorillo. He died on a hunting trip with his son, had a heart attack. Oh, come on. At what age?

I don't know. He was probably mid to late 50s, if I had to guess. But, I mean, I'm happy for him. Look, if that's how I go on a hunting trip with my son who's raised and doing great, I agree. As someone who's 57, though, I'm opposed to the time. I'm opposed to the time. I'm not there.

I do. So all these things happen, and then we go to, we're in Sedona. And I'm just, I have a breakdown on the plan. I don't really break down other than lately. And my wife's like, what the hell is going on with you? And I started telling her and then the last day, I was like, all right, I'm just going to come off my phone for the week and maybe I'll feel better. And I felt a little bit better. And then I got on my phone and I saw this country music star that I had a lot of respect for at the time.

And she's going on about how drag queens should be able to, like, shake their ass in front of toddlers. And I was like, a couple weeks later, she gets a big show. And anyways, but I see this stuff and I'm like, fuck, man. And so I smoke a joint and tell Katie, we're going on a hike. We're going to go up to this energy vortex. I want to see if I feel something. And joint didn't help. And we get up there.

And dude, I went like bananas. Like this is one thing about the psychedelic stuff that I didn't really like where it took me. I was looking for all these other fucking thing. I was into like looking at crystals and all this shit. And oh, energy comes out of the crystals and whatever. And we go up to this fucking vortex and then I'm like, I don't feel shit. And so we're marching back down, hiking back down. and I'm having like this internal battle in my, like in my head.

And like, I'm like, maybe I shouldn't be worried about dismembering kids and politicians and schools and athletes and celebrities like pushing. You know, you should be the opposite sex and let's put some hormones in you. Let's get you in the hospital. And I'm like, maybe I'm the fucked up one. maybe i nobody else seems to give a shit maybe i'm the maybe i'm the one that's maybe i'm maybe it's me maybe why are you fighting this shit and i just kept it felt like i was uh like like surrendering my surrendering my soul or my heart to the devil maybe but there was like this internal battle going on and i i was literally trying to convince myself that i was the

Like, I'm feeling all this pain because, you know, this is when the maps thing started coming out, you know, the minor attracted person. Can't call them pedophile. Got to call them a minor attracted person because that's offensive, Tucker. And so I'm like trying to convince myself, like, Deshaun, maybe you're just, this is old school thinking. Maybe you shouldn't be so upset about all this things.

You're the crazy one. Yeah. And it's dark. and we're staying at a really nice resort down there, and there's a guarded gate, and I pay attention to that shit because my, you know, my background, seal and contracting for CIA, and so I pay attention to that kind of shit.

And, you know, those guys, that demographic of people love my show, you know, because of all the military guys I've had on it. So they all know me, and I stop and talk to them all. We've been there for a week, and I get, and this old man comes out of the guard shack. And he's like trying to talk to me, and I'm looking at him over my shoulder, like giving the body language.

Like, not now, buddy. I don't want to, I don't give a shit what you have to say. I don't, like, I just want to go to my fucking room. And then Katie, my wife stops and talks to him. And I'm like, oh, shit. So I turn around and I say, square up to him and he looked at me and he bred my mind from front to back he said you know all the shit that's going on with the kids so that's that's not your fight and then he kept talking and

i was i was like really worried about china and that was when the spy balloon traversed over the u.s and he brought up something about china and i like lost it i was like how the fuck are you in my head Like, how are you in my head? And so I totally blanked out on the rest of what he said, but I knew it was in, I'm like, said like two or three more things and then have a good night and walked back into his guard shack. And I'd never seen this dude.

I thought I'd met all the people that worked there because we're in and out. And we're going back to our, We're staying like this bungalow thing, like a duplex. And there was this, my best friend died of heroin, but he was always known as a protector's name was Gabe. He was just a badass. He was a pro hockey player before he joined the SEAL teams.

He was an enforcer, and then he joined the SEAL teams. And like, he's the guy, like, if you're in trouble, you know Gabe's going to come whips some ass and get you out of it. and then we contract and then and then i met him contracting for uh the agency and we became really good friends and he had the same reputation there and when we first got there we've seen this guy and he looked identical like same he could have been a twin like like you could tell him apart but it could he could have been an identical twin to Gabe and i'm in the super vulnerable state and this guy's like everywhere we're at this week and i pointed him out and katie was like yeah

that's looks identical to him if we're out in town at a restaurant this dude's out there if we're on a hike he's like right behind us or coming back if we go to the pool he's at the pool and it was just weird it's like this guy's like always round yeah it's not going on well uh coincidence though like I'm on top of shit like that, you know, and I didn't get, I know where you're going. It wasn't like surveillance or anything like that. And so we're walking back to the bungalow that we've been out all week. And I'm like, I think that guy in the guard shack was God just talking to me. And Katie goes, yeah, you think, Sean?

And I was like, I was like, that's. that's fucking crazy. And she's like, that's not fucking crazy. She said, Sean, God's always talking to you. You just don't make the room to let them in. And then we go to our bungalow, and this dude is staying in the other side of it. So I took that as this guy's like maybe some other,

something else, kind of watching over us while I'm in this vulnerable state. and then I get into the bunglo and I start crying and I'm like, what the hell is going on? Get this shit. Let me pull this text up. I'll read it too. We're talking and my phone dings

and it's Dan's daughter, who I've never met. She doesn't have my number. Her dad just died and I get this text. On the hunting trip with his son. Yeah. It says, hey, Sean, this is Taylor, Dan's daughter. My dad requested that I reach out to you. I had a moment with him the other day when my mom and I walked into his gun room. It was the first time she had been in there since his passing and I felt the whole room waking like invisible stars were just bouncing off the walls. There were a few people in the room, but he really grabbed me by the pause, as he would say, and made a couple of clear points. I want you to know he spoke very gently, very smooth-like, and he was calm and tranquil.

One favor he asked of me is that I contact you when I'm ready. He didn't give me any more direction than that. But I think he would just like you, I think he would just like you to know he sees you. you or feels you. My mom told me recently you had become his best friend and favorite person to be around. And if that's true, it's safe to say he really loved you just exactly as you are. Unfortunately, my dad didn't really talk about our personal lives. We have more of a feeling-type relationship. Not a lot of talking, but just the right amount of loving from afar. If there's ever a chance, you'd feel comfortable talking about yours and his story, I'd love to hear about it.

And I'm sure he would too. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So I changed my life forever. Did you talk to her? Yeah. That's an incredible story.

Pretty wild, isn't it? Did you doubt it? Not at that point. You knew, I mean, that was, that all happened in about 15 minutes from walking through. from walking through the gate to seeing Gabe's identical twin to Dan's daughter who'd never met me and didn't have my phone number, um, texting me that. This is not what you expected when you got on the flight to Sedona. That's one way to put it.

How much your wife said that God is always talking to you, but you don't hear it because you're distracted? Do you think that's true? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I think it happened again. And that year and a half I was telling you about that I let all the praise and all that get to me. Yeah.

I got two wrapped up in it. Yeah, we've all been there for sure. Especially with knowledge, it's not just money and fame or all that. I've never taken any of that seriously. But the idea that you know stuff that civilians don't know, that's a kind of arrogance. and lie. You said that. You said, like, you don't know the things I know.

Why am I even listening to you? Yeah. I've definitely been there. It's a pretty fucked up place to be. Yeah, pretty, it's a pretty subtle temptation, too, because, of course, who doesn't want more knowledge? Isn't the whole point of this business to find out how things work? That's what everybody will make you think.

Well, it's what I've always assumed. And then, as my wife once pointed out to me, Adam and Eve didn't get ejected from the garden because of their ignorance, but because of their knowledge. So, you know, the pursuit of knowledge for its own sake, you know, I mixed feelings about it. I used to think that was like the highest virtue was just to like know more. But having learned a lot more than, I think, not to be arrogant,

more than most people, I'm not sure it got me anything. It definitely didn't get me to understanding. Yeah. Did you feel that as you learned, as you uncovered more and more lies? Did you feel happier, more content, more at peace? Did you feel like you had a deeper understanding of other people? Or did you just feel agitated? Oh, just agitated, just anger and rage and all the time.

I bring it home and I try to play with my kids and I wasn't there. My head wasn't there. You know? And I'd try to smoke. smoke a joint or something to get in the present moment. That wouldn't work. So I quit all of that shit. I have no vices now.

It's great. When did you give up weed? About a month ago. How's it going? Great. Any downsides? Nope. Didn't affect your sleep?

I don't know what's affected my sleep. You can't sleep anyway. That's not. That's not, that's all this other stuff that I'm going through right now that's affected my sleep. It's not that. But you gave up weed, no drinking. No drinking, having had a drop in over four years.

That happened after I have again. And then, yeah, now no caffeine. No caffeine? No caffeine? No nicotine. Sorry. Okay, now? Okay.

Sorry. But, you know, Sean, I was with you up until right then. But you started getting into nicotine and that's like crazy town. No drugs, no weed, no nothing. What do you think of it? It's great. it's it um there's just nothing to mask your emotions fucking naked in front of everybody

it's happening you know when I'm reading that text that would never happen before I'm feeling things I'm feeling emotions that you know before I just felt rage just anger that's pretty much it you know and uh now I'm I'm feeling all of them I think that's why we use

substances we don't have to do that, right? Was it a hard transition? Not as hard as you think. You don't feel on overload? This is what puts me on overload. Was it hard to get off, what was harder getting off caffeine and nicotine or social media? Yeah.

How long did it take to get over your withdrawals, your ex-w withdrawals? Not long, you know, but my circumstances are a little different because of the things I'm dealing with right now and what I was, you know, describing to you with the priests and that kind of stuff is just so much more important and so much more real. So I just, I have to deal with that. And which means I can't be dealing with this. And I know what this will do. I know it will throw me back on the path that I was on. and I just, I don't want any part of that anymore either. So you're describing the phone is actively evil. I mean, that's what you're saying.

Yeah, I mean, one person showed me, you know, I mean, talking about Adam and Eve, you know. What is that? It's an apple. Yeah, with one bite out of it. I've never thought of that. Huh. So it's like, this is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, basically. I never thought of that.

You can tell it a deep person I am. How often do you have a realization like that and you understand that like something you've had in your hand, every five minutes for the last 10 years, you've never really thought about it. Yeah. How am I missing the most obvious things?

I don't know. I mean, I just, yeah, we're all a slave to it. So you've, you're rolling out of it. on an app called Glacier. Yeah, yeah. One of my least favorite things to talk about is technology or apps, I should say, or other people's projects or like with someone's selling or whatever. I would, every time I interview someone, not every time, but very often it's like, I've

got this new thing, can you talk about it? You actually didn't mention this to me at all. You didn't want to talk about it. And I hate this topic, but this is an interesting enough thing that I would actually like to push you on a little bit. Okay. So one of the big problems I have with phones is I don't, that they're not private, of course, and not just for us. I mean, it's obvious if you're in broadcasting, you know, you're going to be surveilled.

So, and I know that I am, but just like everybody is, and it's upsetting. And there's really kind of no solution to it. I've spent a lot of time on this topic, and I've never seen anything that protects people from it. But it sounds like this app might help. What is it? it's uh can i just tell you the story yeah that would be better than me trying to get into the technicalities of everything that i don't know and understand that well but um you know it came from uh it just came from paranoia you know and i mean i think i last time i checked eight out i think

i interviewed eight people that got picked up for the administration just a lot of two of them thanked me personally because they said my interviews are the ones that got them in there. One of them got picked five days after I released the interview, Secretary of War. And just like after they all got in there, and there's, you know, some of them trying to influence me and senators and congressmen and other people. And I'm like, and now that they're in there, it's like,

they want me to do shit or they did i pretty much have made my statements like i'm very loud about shit and i want them to get the message i don't fucking ask me for that stuff and and um but i get i got paranoid like are they monitoring me now because they're worried i'm going to go against them or like what's going on and and then the boucha kem interview happened or you know in taiwan and i started getting paranoid about that so anyways i started looking looking paranoid about that so anyways, I started looking up. I was like, I need like something, if anything, just for a peace of mind. Like, are they listening when I'm talking to my wife?

Are they listening when I go to dinners with people? Like, what is happening? And so I... Short answer, yes. Yeah. So I started asking around for a black phone. I'm like, what is the one that people are using? And like, is there a real one?

Or is it all these bullshit gimmicky ones? that came out. And a friend of mine said, yeah, this is what the, this is what the, like the tier one units and the intelligence communities and stuff are using. It's this, it's called Glacier. And so I called, who's now my C-O-O, Elijah, and I was like, hey, get in touch with this company and let's, I want a phone and I want one for everybody. on the team.

And so he got in touch. And I was like, see if they're interested in advertising. And it's like, yeah, they love the show. I was like, really? That's cool. And I was like, see if they're interested in doing. That's a community that watches your show. I think it's fair to say.

Yeah. And I was like, see if they want to do an equity deal. Yeah, they want to do an equity deal. And I was like, all right, well, let's get the product and see if we like it and if it actually works. And then I found out the price of the product. And I was like, holy shit. Like it's very expensive for a phone

and even more expensive for the service. Like, ish, like ballpark. Like close to 10 grand for the phone. And maybe a little bit more than that for the service. And so I was like, man, that's a lot. Yeah. I'm like, well, we're getting them because I'm super fucking paranoid. And, you know, they have, like, kidnapping features for your kids.

And they can upload and delete footprints in different countries so that it makes, you know, they can do all kinds of, like, wazoo shit. Like, totally delete your digital footprint, you know, from wherever. And upload a fake one. Like, they can do all kinds of, like, They have a messaging service. It tunnels you in. So like, you know, the signal leak that happened early on, that's impossible to happen.

You could have your entire organization in this one chat where you can't accidentally add the wrong Tucker in there. You know what I mean? You couldn't put Jeffrey Goldberg from the Atlantic on your group text. Yeah, exactly. Okay. That might be worth 10 grand. Yeah. Yeah.

So anyways, I was like. like, man, I would love to do business with you guys, but I was like this, we're shooting for like top tier tech CEOs, C-suite execs, and maybe government contracts, which you guys already have a foothold in. And I was like, I was like, I would be interested if you had like an application that was maybe, you know, close to that or maybe some of the features that you have in this aren't in that, you know, something that's more affordable that everybody can use. And they said, well, we obviously have a program. We can turn it into an app.

And I was like, all right, let's see what that looks like. So we did it. And we spent about a year putting it all together. And so it's called the Glacier app. And it's, you know, a lot of the VPN companies that podcasters are representing are owned by China or they're owned by Israel. or they're owned by Russia. They're fake. Yeah.

And, I mean, you can look it up. Don't take my word for it. I dropped a VPN sponsor over this exact question. Me too. Yeah. Me too. And, and, uh, I didn't know that. I didn't know that the VPN is basically a digital honey trap.

Yeah. And so, and one, and a lot like, there's a Chinese company that owns like a whole conglomer under these things. So anyways, we're all American VPNs. No data is stored at all. Secure DNS. Data blocking. So I think this morning before I came in here, we just launched it like, it just happened to come out like two days ago.

And just by, what, 11 a.m., we had like 830 web trackers blocked on the phone, which is the marketing shit. And I don't even have social media apps on my phone. I told you I deleted them all. And then it has a, we have a burner number service on there. So especially for somebody like you or I who's meeting all these people, maybe you don't want everybody to have your numbers. So you can go in there and pick any area code you want by a burner number and give that to these state actors or for regular people. you know, you get a hotel, you do a, you make a contribution to a political campaign, you order a pizza, whatever it is, like that your number, you know, goes up for sale and then

you're getting 50 million spam calls. So you can buy however many burner numbers you want. And if the relationship goes sour, you just burn the number and pick a new one. And then they have no way to contact you ever again. So, yeah, we call it the Glacier app, and that's affordable. Everybody can get it. Does it help prevent you from being spied on? It does the things that I told you it does, you know, and so there's nothing that's full-proof, being honest.

You know, like, I'm sure there's some way to possibly defeat it, but, you know, for the majority of stuff, it's going to block 99% of the stuff that comes in. What if your phone number's on the internet? What if your phone number's on the internet? Yeah, my numbers on the internet. Well, I mean, it's not going to delete your phone number off the internet. Damn.

But you can get as many new ones as you want. And you just go to the Apple store and get it? Yep. You go to the Apple store and get it. Or at the Glacierop.com. either one. It's just for iOS right now. We'll have Android out in a couple months. But with your number, just, you know, Glacier aside, what you never just, if you get rid of your number, you want to keep it and get a new one. You don't want to, you don't want to burn the number that you have all your banks and all that kind of stuff, too, because if somebody else picks that up, then it would be a bad deal for you. It would be a bad deal. Yeah.

I don't do online banking as a result. Or online whatever. Yeah, I don't do online anything. That's why. Yeah, I don't. I just, I never was impressed by all that stuff. I order ammo on my phone, that's it. It's the only transaction I do on my phone.

I'll bet you got a lot of that. I do. Yeah, I have a lot of that. So what, I know you're not in the business of giving, like, advice to people, you're clearly coming from a place, especially now of genuine humility. And you said it's important to work on yourself before you start running around

and telling other people how to live. And I respect all of that. But if you had a son who was like 15 or 25 or older and said, what advice would you give me about how to live? What would your advice be? Don't put your faith in any man. Yeah.

You're going to be disappointed every single. time. Yeah. That's really wise. There's something in us that wants to believe in other people. Did you put your faith in Pete Hegeseth? Yep. What was your takeaway from your interview with him?

Well, if I remember right, I mean, I don't remember the interview that well, but if I remember right, Pete wanted to be the secretary of the Veterans Affairs. He did in the first term. And I just have a little bit. know, I just don't really have much interest in the Veterans Affairs. And so I steered the interview into what would you do of your secretary of defense? Because I was much more interested in that kind of stuff than I was with the Veterans Affairs. Being a veteran, I just think the VA is a lost cost.

Really? Yeah. And, and, and, and so I steered it that way. And then five days later, the fucking, after the release, the guy gets, I, I, I didn't even want to interview Pete because it was a book. He had a book out and he's a Fox News guy and I fucking hate Fox News. And I was like, I don't know. I don't want to, I don't want to interview him because he's a Fox News guy.

Yeah. And it was like, all right, like I think it was a whatever. I was like, all right, we'll do it. And then it was like, all right, hurry up and get this interview out. I just get it out. like let's get this over with you didn't think you were about to change history of the world no yeah and then five days later he gets picked up for secretary defense what did you think when you heard that i was like holy shit that's crazy and then it inflated my ego i'm like holy shit the show has power

then i went to the army named me football game and he points at me he goes thank you i'm like I was up at the box with all the big wigs, you know, Vance and Trump and all of them. And I'm like, what the fuck am I doing here? But it, you don't inflates my ego. And I'm like, holy shit. And then everybody else gets picked. Ash Patel, Tulsi.

You know, no, I'm not saying like I'm the guy. But for that one, that interview definitely had some influence. How do you think it's going? I don't know. I mean, I don't think any of these guys really have any. You know, the funny thing is like, you see all these people get up there and they get addicted to this fucking power that they do not have. Right. You know, it's like you think you're so powerful. That's so, but you can't even, you can't even say what's on your mind. Like, you're powerless. You have no fucking power. You're just around, you're around power that's telling you what to do. and what to say. And it's like, I don't get the,

but they probably don't see it. You know what I mean? They probably don't see it. But I think they have all this power and they really don't have any fucking power. Because they can't say what they really think. Yeah, they can't say what they were. They won't even stand up for what they believe in, man.

Like, look at the shit that's happening. Really? You're going to sit here and tell me the fucking country's going great while the president of the United States kids are buying private islands with bunkers must be going great. Fair. I hadn't thought of it that way. That's probably not a good sign then, right?

Maybe I don't know. Maybe they got some insider information. But, you know, I mean, how can you, like, what? Why do you hate Fox News? It's so great. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I should give it another chance. It's probably been three or four years since I've watched it.

Me too. I don't think I'm missing anything, but... But, I mean, can you just drill down a little bit on that? What about it turned you off? I'm just interested. I worked there at one point, so... Yeah, I mean, just a... It's just lies over there, too, I think.

You know, it's... It's not just Fox News, it's all of them. It's all of them. You know, and you see, you know, especially, like now, I haven't seen it in a while, but I would see things pop up on X and stuff. And I'm like, and I, the older generation that watches it, that's how I know what's going on there. You know, and it's like, man, did you know about like this and that? The other, like, are you getting a full picture here?

Or they don't know anything. It's, it's just crazy to me. like they listen to only, you know, one source. And it's like, man, like you're not getting a full picture here. And they're hiding shit from you. Maybe they're not, maybe they're not lying. They probably are, but they're hiding shit from you. They're hiding the full picture.

They're hiding the full picture of the Upsteed files. They're hiding the full picture. If everything, I ran war. Like, is anybody over there talking about the Petro Dollar? No. Is anybody talking about the schizophrenic leadership that we're dealing with right now? Like this shit with Canada? Like, could you imagine, like, doing business with the U.S.?

Like the Canada pipeline? And I'm going to butcher this. But, like, what, the Biden administration denied it? They didn't want the keystone? Yeah, Keystone pipeline coming in. And then they're like, okay, so then they do some deal with China. And then we, what, throw like a 25%? Then Trump comes in.

We throw a 25% tariff on them for doing business with China. China. Then we throw a 35%. Then we do 100% tariff. And it's like, dude, what the fuck is Canada supposed to do? They tried to pipe it right into the Midwest. We denied it. Now you're going to, now you're going to put 100% tariff on them for making a deal with somebody else that we, they offered us at the beginning. Like if there, if I was a foreign country, there's no way in fucking hell I would do business with the United States. Because there's no continuity. It's just No. Yeah.

It's literally like dealing with a crazy person, like a schizophrenic fucking crazy person. Like, shit, I just offered this to you guys like a couple years ago. Now you're like going crazy on me. What are you supposed to do? I think you're supposed to remember. That's just one. I think the answer is Putin is bad. He's very, very bad.

That's the rumor. I think that I think one. One of the main reasons that the United States, which is protected from the rest of the world by the world's largest oceans, never been invaded, has all the natural resources we need and a lot of great and smart people. The whole reason that we've been perpetually at war, really since 1917, is because identifying a foreign threat or foreign enemy or something to worry about far away removes attention from our own. bad leadership. It's a way of like our leaders to be like, okay, you're right, but Putin. But honestly, the problem is Putin or Hitler, who's been dead for 85 years or whatever. It's like, like this straight to her mood stuff, like, from what I understand, like nobody really controlled it before. Now, now Iran has discovered like, holy shit, like the United States can't

even shut us down. So now there's, I'm sure there's going to be tax. and escorts and everything until the end of time, because if we can't shut them down, nobody's going to shut them. Of course. You know what I mean? And so hello new gas prices. Like they're not fucking coming back down.

We just turned Iran into a global power. Yeah. And it will remain a global power for the rest of our lives, at least. Good job, admin. Yeah, good job. Did you think when you interviewed Pete Heggseth, did you, since you served in the military,

under a secretary of, well, then it was defense, now it's of war. in fact let me just interrupt myself and say what do you think of the change from section of defense department to department of war oh i thought i thought it was i thought it was stupid yeah i thought it was like what why why why you'd know that's just going to piss people off what's the who cares we had to make and then and then of course we had to make a big show about it i mean i think pete has done some good stuff you know i mean yeah he's cleaned up some of the de all maybe all of the dey stuff i mean i mean i mean he's cleaned up some of the dey i

I think that's great, good job, you know what I mean? But, you know what I mean? I don't really know how much influence the Suck Deff even has anymore. You know, so good job on that because that sucked. And I, you know, I saw a lot of, I saw morale come back. I still got some buddies in. But I'll tell you what, I just had some buddies leave. And everybody knows what this is.

Everybody knows they're fighting for Israel. It's a joke. And this isn't me saying this. This is not me saying this. Right. This is them. This is the guys that are going to go over there in tier one, tier two units that are joking around saying like, yeah, this isn't even for us. And, you know, through just throughout history, that's not a winning strategy.

Well, especially since. If they don't believe in what they're potentially going to do, which hopefully they're going to do nothing. Yes. but high probability they're going to do something. And they know it's not for the United States. It's for a foreign country. Like, the fights out of the dog, buddy. Really?

Well, especially because they can get killed. I mean, it's kind of high stakes. That's what I'm getting at. Yeah. They know it's not for us. We're not defending our country. And you think they know that? No, I don't think they know that.

I know they know that because I just had a going away party for one. And that's all he was talking about. I mean, it's fucking sad. I mean, it's such a betrayal. It's such a betrayal. Like, why don't you just get out, man? Because it's what he does for a living, right? Yeah.

What do you do after that? Exactly. Like, probably start a podcast. Yeah. No, but seriously, what do you do? I don't know if we need like more shooting. schools or executive protection. I mean, those, I feel for those guys. They have these specialized talents, skills honed at great expense over years. Well, you know, you got to give them hope.

And so, because yeah, that's where most of them wind up. And a lot of them are happy doing it. You know, my guy is, but, but if you don't, then you have to be willing to reinvent and start from zero and go to one. And that's really fucking hard to do. But that's what you have to do. do you talk to people getting out a lot yeah not a lot but i mean i'm getting older you know so i'm losing touch and uh most most of my generation is out how do they feel about what they did pissed really majority of them are pissed and these are g what are people yeah what are they mad about they don't believe it was for for the right reasons I just told you the Pete Blaber episode.

You know, the whole Iraq invasion was based off a fucking lie. A water truck, an air conditioning unit, and a guy taking piss outside of a building. That sounds like weapons mass destruction to me, Sean. We sure showed them, didn't we? So at some point, you got recruitment problems if people believe what you just said, right? Yeah, I would imagine.

I don't know what the numbers are. when you were over there, did you think a lot about why you were over there? Yeah. But, you know, information didn't flow like it does now. So we all thought we were there for the right reasons. And really, the only gripe was coming home and listened to all the liberal Democrats

bitching about the war. Turns out they were right the whole fucking time. I know. But, you know, That's a head trip right there. That's hard for me to admit. But it's true. So that raised the question, so like guys in SEAL teams or Delta or any of the most famous

and highly trained special operator types, I always assume that they're right-wing Republicans. I've always thought that. Is that still true? I don't know. I don't know. I don't really, everything's just so mixed up now. I mean, shit, you just got a love letter from my mother-in-law who hated you a year ago. You know what I mean?

Everybody's mixed up. I don't think anybody knows what they are. She wrote me a very nice letter. She's down a subscriber. I thought she was ever going to talk to me when you wrote her a letter a year ago. I did. I wrote it in Jess, but also, you know, from one Protestant to another, I thought, you know, I thought I could make a connection. But anyway.

And you did. It's hilarious. She seems very sweet, actually. everything's so messed up now. That's right. Like, how would you describe your politics? Do you have politics? Or you're just not even interested in it anymore?

I'm a Christian. Yeah. So my last question is, like, what do you think, so you know what's going on in your life you've had, and thank you for talking about it. I know it's like you're in the middle of it, so it's hard to talk about it. But do you see it happening in other people?

Like, do you think there's bigger going on? Oh, yeah. I mean, yes, I do. I don't know what's real and what's not, though. I think that there are people also that are coming to Christ who are like, oh, look what happened to that guy, you know what I mean? With his view counts or what it's like the thing to do now sometimes, you know, so I don't know. But yeah, I think there's a wave of it happening.

I mean, there's definitely a resurgence in the younger generations. Yes. You know, and so that's really cool. That's really cool. see it and you see that yeah i see it i see it i see when i go to church everybody's paying attention and i bounce around from all kinds of different churches not this morning yeah the priest didn't show up out here you should say you texted me thanks for communion you want to go to church with me this is the least christian state out of 50 so there aren't many churches and uh active churches

but you decide Monday morning you're going to church. I go through to four days a week now. Really? Yeah, I like to bring my two-year-old, then the next day I bring my four-year-old, and after each time we go to Mass, I bring them to breakfast, and we get some one-on-one time,

and then take them home, and then I go to work. That's the best. It's awesome. I love it, and they're into it. Really? Yeah. I remember bringing my two-year-olds to church, and it was like a nightmare.

But climbing on your head in the middle of communion. It will be if I bring them together. Right. Oh, is that right? You split them up. That's smart. Yeah. One-on-one time with Dad.

And they want to go. They asked me, can I go with you today? Really? It's pretty cool. Yeah, we talk about communion. They ask about the special bread. It's pretty neat. And do people who you grew up with,

who you talk to your friends, guys you served with, are they thinking more about God than they did? Oh, yeah. All of them. All of the, you know, you know what's really cool actually is, you know, you're addicted to the fight. I can see it. These guys are addicted to the fight.

I'm addicted to the fight. A lot of these guys have fought for 30 plus years. And like a guy like Tom Satterley, who I brought to the Elp Party with me. And he was in Smolio, you know, when that whole thing went down. He's quite a man. Yeah, amazing human. Yes.

All these guys are like, you know, addicted to the fight. Now there's just so many of us that are diving into spiritual warfare and learning about it. And so that's, it seems to be the new thing with my old community. Really? Yeah, it's pretty neat to see. I think of it as guys who are, you know, the real. door, you know, people are actually pulling the trigger. Pretty secular group, I always thought.

Is that fair? Yeah. Yeah, I would say so. But in these times, not so much. Amazing. Yeah. Thank you for talking about all this. My pleasure.

I know it's painful, but I think it's really inspiring. Thank you. Well, thanks for having me, man. Literally any time. I love coming out here. I love having you. John Ryan. Thank you.

Thank you.