The Tucker Carlson Show - Tim Dillon: Disney, Boomers, and the Creepy Corporations that Pretend to Love You

Episode Date: May 30, 2024

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i think it's become terrible i kind of agree with that but i can't quite articulate why well it's lazy disney's lazy it's the only it's the you know it's like you know when people take their kids on vacation there it's like i understand it but there's other places to go that are real that have actual history you could teach your kids about the country you could teach them about anything you could teach them about things that have actually happened i don't think disney world is a terrible place to go but you shouldn't be doing it every year there's people that go every year there's people that go without children there's people that go without children yes because people are sick i mean there's this whole you know there's

this whole uh group of disney adults people that really enjoy disney world they meet their wives at disney world they meet their husbands at disney world and that yet somehow then not procreate uh and they love it and they say they remain children forever and which i don't think is the goal of life um and yeah i just think it's uh you know it's it's uh upsetting when i see it so it's like it's like an emotional retardation that gets yeah you you're looking at people that are stunted um they're they're unable for whatever reason to access other there's a lot of art in america there's you know a lot of literature there's a lot of film it's not all cartoons it's not all disney not to take anything away from you know a lot of the great disney classics but it's supposed to be the beginning of your journey

and not the whole thing you know what i mean like the little mermaid is supposed to start you off but then you go and find other things and what's terribly uh depressing to me or disturbing or both is that you have people that are still as into it as they were when they were five except they're 40. i think that's a big problem and it's not cheap i mean i've never been no it's hot it's very hot and it's not cheap and it's um they have all these meal plans now that they offer people which is like these terrible you know kind of gross food that they'll give you throughout the day you know if you pay like an all-inclusive fee someone will go and put a churro in your mouth every half hour uh and then you have you know you know it's there's a lot of there's a lot of disney uh like people out there talking about how to do the parks there are these

people um uh plus size people that are now trying to review Disney rides to see if they fit in them. There are people that have YouTube videos dedicated to the type of shoes you have to wear at Disney World because there's a lot of walking. There's people that go, I love Disney World, but I refuse to walk. Is there a way can I get? So, I mean, it's become very big with the maybe voluntarily disabled community where you have is anyone voluntarily disabled it seems to be we have a few people i mean i'm not an olympic swimmer i'm not i'm not going out there and you know shitting on people but i'm saying there are people that seem more excited about the uh the uh scooters and the

wheelchairs and everything like that and a lot of them love disney world what's the connection just societal collapse here well societal collapses those i think the big connection but there's something about um being a child forever and a place that tells you you should be a child forever and that it is good to have the qualities of a child forever so it place that tells you you should be a child forever and that it is good to have the qualities of a child forever so it's like a diaper fetish it's kind of a diaper fetish it's kind of like there was a woman who in new hampshire wanted to open a diaper spa where adults would wear diapers because they have a some type of fetish where they like to be in diapers and this woman was trying to open it in this tiny new hampshire town and many people in the town got mad at her you know it's very

hard to open a small business and nobody really wanted that and it was a a diaper spa i was for it because i said if you make the migrants that are coming to this country work at the diaper spa they'll just go to europe so i said we don't need a wall we just need to like kind of you know get everyone over to the diaper spa but i put the kind of modern uh a lot of the modern disney world uh cultural stuff kind of just above the diaper spa where you have people that are going to this place where they feel like children i don't know what it is i i think you should go for your children it's an experience for them when it becomes about you in any way i think it's sick but it also seems like kind of important like

this is a measure of something yes i do i mean i i think that this is a weird there's a weird obsession uh with um you know this idea that you're like this is me i have no shame and i'm you know there should be things i think that people are ashamed of or they like quietly maybe if you love disney world and you're an adult you shouldn't announce it to the world i don't need sweatshirts and t-shirts and tank tops and mickey hats and i don't need to see on your social media how much you adore disney world you know and if you can't fit in a ride at disney world just i don't need you to review that on youtube for everyone like there is something about keeping something's close to the vest because they're shameful. Well, because they're certainly

not ideal. And the idea that it's, you know, this is not your best self that you're putting out there. And I understand as a comedian, there's a lot of things that we do where we don't put out our best self, you know, but then there are, are you know but we always try to make that funny and we make it funny and we make a joke out of it but there are a lot of people out there now i feel like that are forcing the world to accept them in their worst uh iteration if that makes any sense without admitting that that iteration sucks yeah without admitting that that iteration at the very least needs some work and i think there's a lot of people out there that are just like hey this is me this is it that sounds like giving up there's a lot of giving up i think do you feel that around us people are giving up i think there's a lot of people that don't see a future and technology

has made the world pretty isolating and i think uh which is the exact opposite of what it was intended yes i write that you're old enough to remember the promise of technology which would bring us together every connection gonna be together but it seems pretty isolating and i think a lot of people are out there and they're not they don't see any future that they are excited about and they don't think they can you know have a family or afford the standard of living that they would want a family to have and yes so i think there are a lot of people out there that struggle with that for sure and technology is related to that well i think technology has has has certainly it's lessened community and i think physical communities have suffered a little bit because all of the the way that everyone grows up now is pretty is pretty

you know flattened everybody's been flattened by technology meaning everybody's looking at the same things the same algorithms they're being fed the same stimuli in the same inputs whereas when i grew up you would meet people from different regions of the country and they grew up completely different yes and they had a different musical taste and they had uh completely different uh you know histories and cultural influence and accents and accents and everything and everybody came together uh and and you know there was this really interesting cultural diffusion that happened when you met someone from louisiana and someone from senado washington now i gotta be honest with you i feel like that's less true yeah i feel like it's

less true because i think everybody's kind of growing up with these same algorithms they're being fed the same things and when you meet people they're not as interesting as they once were because you've all kind of had a similar childhood whether you know it or not because you've been fed the exact same stimuli over and over again every day on your phone which i mean even leaving aside the potential for like controlling people's brains and making them obedient serfs which does seem like the point to me yeah it homogenizes everything it makes everyone just sort of flat and boring it makes everybody boring and it's one of the things that again you would think that the great promise of technology would be the exact opposite which is that everybody was going to be more unique or more interesting

uh but that hasn't happened you know well i sort of noticed this with the early apple ads yeah and the idea behind the personal computer was this is your you know window into the world but it's also a way to broadcast your own unique qualities and you're you. You're distinct from everyone else. And then you look at the Apple store and everyone's dressed exactly the same. They have the same nose ring, the same T-shirt. Yeah. The store to me just screamed, obey.

Right. Well, that's what it seems like. Yeah. There seems to be a comfort in that type of making everything very clean and homogenized. Yes. Where everybody is kind of expected to have the same value system. And that value system is kind of being given to them. I was really struck last night at the dinner that we had yeah by how many people you know and by how many places you are yeah well all the time like all the time yeah

just on tour but like you seem to be talking to people yeah and that was the opposite of the life i thought comedians lived where you're sort of alone online in your hotel room well how do you do that yeah well i'm i can't speak for all comedians but i know a lot of us do travel a lot a lot of us talk to but i've always just been very curious about the world so i'm incredibly curious about why things are the way they are why certain people and certain ideas become popular why certain things seem to be inevitable um how the society is set up the things that we know the things things we don't know, the kind of hidden power structures that we start to realize how enduring they are as we get older. You don't realize that when you're young.

Everything when you're young seems to be – I remember watching Saturday Night Live as a kid, which was a hilarious show that I loved. And it was Bush and Gore. And it was very funny. And it was these two guys. And we had Will Ferrell. I forgot. I think Daryl Hammond did Al Gore. And it was bush and gore and it was very funny and it was these two guys uh and you know we had will farrell i forgot i think daryl hammond did al gore and it was really funny and you thought that was what the world was it was these just we have two people they have opposing ideas yes we all go vote and then one of those people becomes a president for four years and then that person enacts an agenda that people either

disagree with or agree with to you know and that person has varying degrees of success and then they're judged four years later that's what i thought that's what everyone thought i think my understanding now this country is so much deeper and more complex and more interesting than it it uh you know originally was because now i i believe that those things are only part of the larger story of of how the country actually operates what what changed your view like when was the moment when you realized that's not actually what's happening i was i read a book called family of secrets which was an interesting book by a guy named russ baker and he wrote about the bush family and it was about uh you know basically a lot of these events from from jfk to watergate that he had kind of this alternate understanding of how these events had happened and he had gone

and interviewed lots of people and he had researched i think the book took him about five years and i it was a came out and i think 2007 or 2009 maybe and i was reading it i was in the mortgage business that had fallen apart and there was nothing to do so we'd all sit in our offices and kind of fuck off because it was nothing to do so i was reading this book and um it was really did you get it of barnes and noble you know it was just a it was really yeah it was just a book on your own with yeah just on my own and me and a friend were reading it and we each got them and i was reading it and i i started to analyze things in a way that i never had before and basically i was it was it was kind of this light that went off in my head and i'm like well what if everyone's lying you

know what if everyone's not telling the truth what would it look like then what would it look like if everyone was just making things up or telling you what you wanted to hear and i mean it was like you know it really is an interesting way to look at things it's a bit cynical but when you start looking at all these things you go it doesn't even make sense it doesn't make sense that you'd have a country out of all these billionaires and then they would be told what to do by these people in congress that have no money and some of them are are you know relatively uneducated you have all those billionaires that are you know controlling large sectors of the economy but they're just going to take edicts from like the guy the local milkman that ran for congress and georgia and he's going to tell those guys what to do that never made sense to me and it also never made sense to me that when

i watched snl as a kid you know i'd watch these debates and they were almost identical to the ones on uh tv they were kind of silly and they were you know you'd have these two guys and bush wasn't a great speaker and gore was kind of insufferable and they did these characters really well but i'm like it's so weird that a comedy show is almost identical to the actual world that we live in i'm like there's no way that that's the only level of power in the country there's very little chance that that's how it is and then you know you start reading you read books like the devil's chessboard by david talbot about the creation of the national security state but the dullest brothers and how influential they were and you you read all these books he founded salon.com and stuff like that and then wrote that book it was completely uh you know removed from

polite society but you read all these books you get interested in it it was just very interesting to me you know i was an actor as a little kid and why you know what kind of actor you know not a successful one but my parents would like you know take me into the city for auditions i wouldn't get anything because i was you know i was a cute little kid but i had like a gravelly voice and i it just didn't work right oh you didn't even smoke and you talk like that they knew it was coming my body knew i was gonna start so they prepared but i realized how acting was interesting because in hollywood you know i was really close to getting a job once but i was four inches too tall and the kid that got it was four inches shorter and he looked better next to the star of the show grace under fire brett butler was a sitcom and you realize how arbitrary a lot

of these decisions are that are made and when you're a little kid you become a little cynical because you're you're you're auditioning for all this stuff and you're looking at the way that and sometimes like the director's son gets the job and sometimes like you don't even know why you know you you didn't get the job you did a great job job. And you're basically, as a young person, you're aware of the, you know, the limits of like certain types of meritocracy where it's like there's stuff behind the scenes happening. And I think, you know, I started to think about politics in that way. And it was funny to me. It was much funnier. Did you have anyone to talk to about this?

Friends, people that I grew up with that, you know, might've been into it too, you know, but it wasn't, it was kind of- But this was pre-2016. Oh yeah. This was like 2009, 10, you know, and it would just seem very funny to me. What did you make of 9-11 through that lens? Well, when I was young, I was very supportive of like the Iraq war and war and george w bush you know but i was you know on cocaine and that did that help that helps it really did um it's a patriotic drug um to be honest but i was believing everything

that everyone said we were invaded by these people and they're we were invaded because they don't have shopping malls in afghanistan and they don't have mcdonald's and they can't get chicken nuggets like I do with my friends. They can't smoke pot in the mall. So they all decided to kill us. Well, that's terrible. So we have to go over there and build shopping malls so that these guys can go hang out and get whatever they need so that they're not miserable and all that stuff. And I believed it. I believed all of it. And I was a fervent advocate of that because it made a lot of sense. I'm like, we've got a good thing. They've got a thing that's not too good.

We have to go and help them. And it was this thing where I just believed that and I believed in it and I voted for Bush. And I thought that, you know, my first vote was for bush it was the second term and i had friends that went off to iraq i'm like we got to do this we have to you know we can't dishonor their memory by by pulling out and doing all this stuff i really believe that i've now completely you know switched i now see it as a complete disaster a huge mistake and error and as far as 9-11 at that point i was you know believed

that it was exactly how they said it happened and now you know quite frankly i don't know i mean i it it seems improbable that all of these things happened the way that they said that they happened um i don't know what exactly happened and people have attacked me for saying that you know because i just i question now more than I did. You may have come to the obvious conclusion that the real debate is not between Republican and Democrat or socialist and capitalist, right, left. The real battle is between people who are lying on purpose

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Our entire archive is there. A lot of behind the scenes footage of what actually happens in this barn. When only an iPhone is running. Tucker Carlson dot com slash podcast podcast you will not regret it well you've been attacked for admitting that you're agnostic on it yeah people will will call you names and you know try to use that as some type of and you know about this people calling your names when you say yeah i don't really know what happened on 9-11 they go they try to use that as a pejorative against you and say, you're a conspiracy theorist,

you're a nut job, you're whatever. And you go, okay. I mean, it's those things don't mean. But do you ever think to yourself, like anyone who believes like the story at the White House press briefing is a fucking moron? Yes, I think that. And it's funny to me how wrong we are. It being wrong is funny.

So that's one of the reasons i became interested in this dimension of power in america is because i i actually you either you laugh or you cry and i started to laugh and i think how wrong everybody is how do you i mean your insight which is really smart yeah that you know the former milkman from georgia is probably not giving orders to the oligarch that's right in there like that doesn't actually make any sense that makes no sense right um how do you think things really work well i mean i think that you have um a group of people that have a lot of power and a lot of influence and they probably have different ideas they're probably not a monolith they probably are different religions and races and they have to but

they they're interested in preserving their level of power i think that becomes their main their main um you know objective and i think this is the thing that they all kind of relate on whether they sue each other or dislike each other or have wars with each other in the press and we tend to think that these are blood feuds and these aren't, and probably some of them are, but at the end of the day, they are all interested in retaining their level uh the democratic process here and all over the world meaning like the will of the people cannot get in the way of whatever they want to do so i think they have to disguise that agenda in any way that they can you know the new thing now for example is um which i you know this is very you know you You know what, today I'm in a diner and I'm watching, I'm having breakfast

and I'm watching, you know, this terrible airstrike in Rafah, this place I didn't even know existed a month ago, right? And I'm not like a... And this guy's holding up this headless child. It's horrific. And we're watching it in the diner. And you're watching it.

And listen, think israel should exist i believe they have a right to exist anti-semitism exists blah blah blah i know that it's not all great over there but you're watching this and then you go this seems unreal it seems very extreme and then the position of people on the internet uh that will are supporting this no matter what without any is well do you know the how hamas treats gay people and women and you go how dumb do i look how stupid do i how stupid do i look that this is the argument how dumb do i look that you are expecting me to believe that American foreign policy has been about the rights of women? And is that why we were in Afghanistan? It had nothing to do with mining rights or lithium ion or any of that stuff.

It has nothing to do with the strategic importance of certain locations. It all has to do with teaching girls to read and protecting gay people and teaching women to read. It's crazy. it's crazy it's crazy but that emotional appeal works on people and they go well i guess we have to kill children then that baby is homophobic kill and you start going it doesn't make any sense it doesn't make any sense from a logical standpoint it makes absolutely no sense people can debate about israel or what we should be doing or giving them or funding right but so again it's that you're taking this you're shoehorning this narrative into this conflict and it's it's i think the way a lot of these people that have agenda operate where they go we need to present this ukraine war as a way that we are fighting a murderous dictator who's going to take over all of europe and even though there's not there

hasn't wasn't evidence of that no no evidence there's really not a ton of evidence no there's almost none you have to believe that now i live in you know beverly hills california i live outside of the city limits but i say i do and um the worst people in the world you know in beverly hills right i mean monster people like they make valets cry get my effing car you know what i mean like people jump out of windows they walk over their bodies to get in their porsche it's crazy and that happened in the building i lived in but so these people jumped out the window yeah this hollywood producer steve bing he killed himself i knew steve and he jumped out of the window and then i think steve killed himself i don't know i don't know but i did he was a great guy it's sad i have no idea what happened but he was uh the biggest donor to the democratic party under clinton yeah that's a deadly move huh well

it's a little deadly and steve began i know because he told me yeah and changing his views on things oh and then the next thing you know steve bing has committed suicide and yeah i don't know but a friend of mine who's very close to steve bing yeah and i was friends with steve bing said that was not no that's not what happened that's very possible you're building i know where that is so i used to live there and i moved out of there because it has a dark energy can you imagine did you really move because they're dark yeah yeah i couldn't really sleep and friends would come over and we'd sit in the living room one of these apartments and they'd go what's this and we're not those people we're not like crystals people

we're not you know you sound spiritually sensitive yeah i guess i'm sensitive enough to realize it was just something and then there was like a lot of like junkies but you know beating each other up and beating up their girlfriends and stuff and the cops would have to come all the time not a great building i won't say which one it is i don't want to be sued but um because i did trash them on the podcast and they did they were upset um but it was not a great building but the same people who would walk over and you know i talked to the valets you know the morning after that happened there were people going oh that's terrible anyway it's the blue porsche let's go so this is the type of person that we're dealing with in beverly hills and you need people that are kind of like that to a degree i mean you know you do need people that

are not you know singing kumbaya all the time but let's just say these are not incredibly sensitive souls yes they're living in beverly hills right i remember everyone had a ukrainian flag immediately after the war started like they had been shipped well because they care yeah unlike you they care yeah they care about democracy right so all these people who like you know kick their maid down the stairs i'm laughing because i grew up around people like that in southern california so i know you're right people that like scream and yell at people in restaurants when something's not macrobiotic or they apparently became all humanitarians in uh uh the span of one night and then the ukraine flags all over the place and if you asked any question about the ukraine or what was going on or why russia went in or why they would be in nato they hate our freedoms yeah right so it was the same kind of

argument it's the same very strange manichean right argument right and and you would just say you know i i had dinner with rfk and his wife who i adore and his son was there and his son served in ukraine yes and connor he's a brave kid god bless him you know um i mean hey god you know everyone does something right of course and he was talking about it and and he said you know and everyone at the table was you know saying you know how hard it is to to um you know and everyone at the table was you know saying you know how hard it is to to um you know we're sitting in malibu at dinner they go you know hard you know that's serving the ukraine i go yeah but i'm defending vladimir putin in malibu at a dinner party that's actually tougher you're honest it's actually you're the one who needs the

i actually need the metal and i should know but it's so to me i just thought this is very funny what shuts down comedy is fundamentalism of course and so when people say to you you can't ask questions you can't know things uh it's you know that's why every dictator in the world hates comedians they don't want anybody asking any questions about anything and they shut everything down and that's why people get they get offended very easily usually have something to hide the coolest people in the world are the people who will poke fun out on the show and they don't care and they think it's fun and they don't they go this guy's a buffoon and who cares you know or maybe there's some truth in

it that i should learn from or whatever or that perhaps but like when you make fun of people and they lose their mind it always suggests something right so every time that i would ask about the ukraine i go why exactly uh we've never heard of the ukraine and every would ask about the Ukraine, I'd go, why exactly? We've never heard of the Ukraine. And every Vice documentary about the Ukraine was that they were a white supremacist, neo-Nazi country. Every Vice documentary was like a bunch of people in the Ukraine walking around with SS tattoos and shields. And I go, and these people just overnight became like great allies and like brave people that we loved. So it was like, okay, listen, I feel bad. Their country got invaded and they're doing what they have to do and whatever.

But I just don't know. You know, it's just very interesting to hear people that have never thought. I mean, these people that I live around have never had a thought about another human being in their life. They've never had a thought. And in fact, they wouldn't even be effective at what they do if they did. These agents and managers, they can't see you as a human being. They have to see you as a product. And that's what makes them good at what they do.

Of course. They have to see you as a product. You can't work in a slaughterhouse if you love cows. That's correct. You can't. You can't pet the cow and go, are you tired? Do you need some time off? How's your wife? You have to look at the cow and go, it's a hundred grand.

Get on the plane. And if you don't like it do drugs do drugs um so what happens is they're the worst people i've ever known they're the worst and they're always this like the black sheep of a very wealthy family when everyone else is successful so it's always like you have a guy, when you have an agent, they go, my brother works at Goldman Sachs. My sister is a neurosurgeon. And I do this because I have no talent or skills, except I was born rich and I'm a sociopath. And I don't have any educational background, but I was never going to work at Popeye's making chicken sandwiches. So I sit here at a desk and that's who most of them are.

Can I just ask you something it's funny in the last couple years i've you know obviously i know a lot of people have been canceled sure you know i had these fake scandals yes wherever they came come from um and then every one of them has been dropped by his agent and in a couple cases that agent has been jay suarez i think and but other agents too and a buddy of mine said to me well i'm i can't believe this happened like i i was really close to my agent like i know his kids yeah i went to his house all the time right and the second the person had any problem at all the agent issues a statement like distancing himself from his own client yes adding to the dog pile well this is what happens

this is kind of what they what they have to do but shouldn't that be a death penalty offense well the agent like how can who would hire an agent who did that everyone why because what happens is everybody in that town is full of shit okay everybody and and everybody kind of goes on that like everybody like it's the type of town where if someone calls you up and goes so-and-so died you go yeah okay no one believes anything you go sure they did like it's a complete uh you know it's a fun house it's a hall of mirrors it's a it's a place so the agent that drops you in many cases will call you and go hey i'm really sorry the higher- ups or will

drop me if i don't drop you everyone's on the chopping block there from the ceo of paramount to the person who's working making uh you know uh salads for their boss at caa or uta or wme everyone's on the chopping block there's nobody there that really uh everybody just goes with the wind so if somebody doesn't like a comedian uh if like the consensus is that that comedian's bad everyone's like they're bad they're a demon from hell and then if it swings the other way and that comedian starts doing really well they're like they've had a great year there's nothing behind their eyes there's nothing there and and that's just the accepted reality of the town so that's why it's like no hard feeling

you're right you're having a human reaction yeah loyalty is so important to a video game that's what's happening you're having a human reaction to a video game which is what it is it's just everybody's plugged into this matrix nothing's real what people do is real like the comedy and the movies and the art and the whatever and the books and all the things that people create but how people in the business handle them and respond to them is dictated 100 by the winds that blow in so if the woke wind blows in they go we, we're doing woke. Get every fat woman, get every minority. They're on television. I want women so fat they can't breathe on their own.

I want them in wheelchairs. I want them to have one leg and I want them to be indigenous. Go. And then when that makes no money, they go, great. White guys, let's do that. White guys are back. And then if that, if people get mad again and they want to, they don't believe in it. The people there don't't believe in it the people there

don't really believe in anything it's just like they're just waiting to see which way they can go some of them like some of them like comedy like some of them like kind of like comedy and that's the best you could say for some of them is this have you ever in all your time in la experienced an authentic human emotion one time i went to a thai restaurant it was closed and it was very sad usually you have to look at other races for human emotions they're like mexicans yes you know what i mean like you who are like going like usually coming out of a church or doing something like that um uh it's a very weird place i've learned to love parts of it and hate parts of it it's very different from where i lived it's these vast canyons and it's you know mountains very empty and it's very hollow and people are very passive aggressive and kind of

laid back and they're not as intense i grew up in new york and long island with a lot of intense people and there's a lot of like uh you know and it's just a town that functions primarily with with the the only rule there is that everything's always great so everybody is always like things are great how are you oh good like no matter what's going on in their lives they want to present this thing everything's great because you want to be near winners you want to be near good people and people that are doing well and everybody just has to present that side of themselves at all times which is why people say oh it's fake um and that it's you know it's not real but it it is it is that's kind of the the guiding principle not to get too dark but what if things aren't great like yeah things aren't great for a lot of people things are not great who do you talk to

great question i mean i think there are like little groups of people that have honest moments i've had honest moments there with people but the people that i've had honest moments with you know it's it's very funny because it's the only place where someone will meet up with you um and like look around and you think they're selling you heroin but then they're just going to say something remotely conservative you know it's very yeah you know people kind of just like go like you know the border is oh it doesn't look good somebody be like biden is a little old but it is weird because everybody's like terrified of like, you know,

but that's changing now because I think the institutions have less power and the internet has grown and people are more free. So I think it is changing and there are definitely opportunities for people to kind of connect

with an audience outside of that system. And I think that system is now also responding very positively for the first time to people that have gained an audience on the internet i think they're starting to understand the the value of that and that it isn't this world in which everybody's good or bad or perfect or not there are people that make mistakes and there's people that also are you know really good people that are not reflected by a certain action you know what i mean like there's this idea that like people are entire people they're not just one thing you didn't like that's exactly right and i think that's going to be i think that's what's the future

hopefully is just nuance and complexity whereas we went through a period where it was very simple and everybody was like bad good ally not enemy you know now i think we're gonna go oh that guy and like take a beat and be like what's she about and take a breath and i do it all the time with like treating people as human beings treating them with human beings and i do it all the time with people that i completely disagree with on everything i mean this person's psychotic but i take a step back and i go let me look at them as a human being and not just a collection of tweets that make me want to vomit i want to ask you that but before we pass on from la i just i haven't lived there in many years sure but i visit overrun with homeless people addicts mostly but also non-addicts just

a lot of people living outdoors yeah really sad visible sign of collapse in my view but it's all black and all white yeah pretty much and la i think is majority hispanic city it's a white hispanic city yeah but i don't see any or many hispanics living on the street what is almost none almost not almost so in a city this majority mexican origin yeah and there's nobody like that living on the street like what why well i think if you look at is there rich no i think this is a lot of these homeless encampments are open-air drug markets yes people don't want to talk about it people don't want to of course you know malign people that are homeless that aren't on drugs and of course thereign people that are homeless that aren't on drugs. And of course, there are people that are homeless that aren't on drugs. But I will tell you this, everybody in LA

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It was very exciting. And they were like, and there's like, you know, people are nuts there so then people go well i go buy things there this be to help i buy little lanyards and stuff that they're selling i go do you think this is a long-term solution when you have this homeless encampment in a park and then people treating it like a farmer's market all these like wealthy white people that want to help are going they're giving them money for heroin and buying an avocado or some crazy thing. And I don't even know what people were selling there. But when the cops broke it up, there was a lot of tension in the community because the community was against it.

They didn't want the homeless encampment broken up. They were very angry. They were like, how dare these fascists break up this homeless encampment? Again, where people were overdosed. In their own neighborhood. Yes, neighborhood yes they want it that's the thing i was standing the other day fuck in san francisco and this woman said to me i said she was you know i go yeah the city is you know falling apart and i go the mayor in london breed i go i don't know what she's really doing she goes she goes yep she's trying to criminalize addiction. We went down that road. I'm like, wait a minute. So your take is that the mayor of San Francisco is too conservative? Because she tried to criminalize addiction.

I'm like, you got to criminalize the behaviors that are often inherent with addiction. Yes. You know, robbing people. Yes. Selling drugs. You know, crimes that involve procuring drugs trafficking people like there's all these things that happen and you know you just there's something that goes on and it's on the west coast more than the east coast for sure where people don't understand the value of standards being enforced.

They don't see it. They don't get it. They think that it's a completely insensitive way to look at the situation and saying like, we have a standard. You don't sleep in a tent you don't camp on the street there are homeless shelters you got to go we have project room key you got to go to a hotel room but if you're going to participate in that program you have to submit to drug testing and counseling because we can't have people using drugs in that program and

providing drugs to other people we're not going to pay people to commit suicide we're not we're not going to pay people to kill themselves on the street and that's a standard and we're forcing that standard and that's people for whatever reason don't seem to believe that that is but maybe they're the ones who lack compassion like again would you treat a loved one the way they treat the so-called homeless no no it's very interesting i don't know what it is maybe they have this freak weird fetish with people dying all around them i don't know what it's very sick i'm very honest why know hispanic why know mexicans in the city well jordy mexican i just think yeah and there are all kinds of problems in mexican neighborhoods sure a lot of poverty yeah gangs you know a lot of problems but come to california to be homeless in california

well maybe that's it because of the the weather and then there's programs shouldn't someone study what the mexicans are doing and like maybe do that yes i mean our governor lives on a vineyard so good luck but um you know good luck about the studying happening um yeah you do not see a ton of you really don't you don't way disproportionate to the population way way disproportionately you don't see a lot of mexican people not working that's what i'm saying so maybe the solution is not working is not is not actually having an effect a lot of the white people no one has a job even the ones that have money they sit around they kind of have smoothies they what is that they float around i don't know but no one really works i noticed around for cafes they have like kind of fake meetings they take meetings all the talk to

another person and that's a meeting and they they go what about you know what about this and what do you think's going on and they have coffee and they go this coffee is not as good as the last and you know it's no one seems to be working where's all the money come from i don't know i have no idea the ccp i know i don't know for real though i don't know who's floating it i mean usually when i have a lazy friend you go back in their family lineage someone got a bag of money somewhere yeah the dad the grandpa the great grandpa someone's got money somewhere i don't know i mean with la you meet a lot of people that are drifting around and they have they're aimless and but but aimlessness is very expensive especially

very expensive and i don't think that the mexican culture is a catholic culture it's a religious culture it's a culture of working it's a culture of of parties and food and like enjoying life and getting the most out of life but it doesn't seem to be a culture that i would associate with aimlessness no it doesn't seem aimless at all it seems to be pretty you know and i mean i'm sure there are problems in every community but there's a lot of aimlessness it's like you know that's a thing of people people talk about people talk about race and all this stuff but it's like you know the white people in the west coast are maybe the most damaging group of people to civil society i've ever seen in my life i mean when you talk about the people that live in seattle and portland the things that laws that they pass in favor and i've never seen a group of people wreak more havoc on a civil society in my life

than the west coast of the united states what's the motive there do you think i don't know i don't know if it's no sun i don't know what it is i i don't know what it is i i just know that they're trying to destroy things they're trying to destroy thing in portland there was like a van this woman like driving around a van and just shooting people up it was called a stabbing wagon where they're trying to destroy things they're trying to destroy thing in portland there was like a van this woman like driving around a van and just shooting people up it was called a stabbing wagon where they're just shooting up drug addicts on the street and it was crazy it was like insane and this was like and then they just reversed at portland's like you know hey they were like this is actually you don't have to be for the drug war which i'm not really for sure you know hassling people for partying at home even though i'm sober

yeah against that sure but if you get to a place where some girl is shooting people up yes narcotics like she should be in prison there's always a limit right because these people they have all these ideas and then what happens is like a few people die in front of them in a whole foods yeah and they start going well maybe maybe like it is fun they got a little and when someone dies in a whole foods in front of them they start going you know what maybe because the consequences for a lot of these people are just so far removed that they're just not present they're just not they're behind a gate they're somewhere you know 40 minutes out of the city whatever it is and they just kind of don't care but then people start you know dying in whole foods and then they start going yeah maybe this isn't ideal this might not be great

so it takes that though it takes something extreme like that for these people to kind of wake up obviously i'm a bad person but i i don't want the pivot to happen without someone being punished for this yeah and then someone who grew up out there when it was really idyllic it was sort of peak human civilization in 1975 in laurel canyon right um and now it's dystopian it's like someone should have to be held to account for this pay the price for that someone they won't they'll be like actually like i was never for that it's like the covid facts i was well i always had concerns no you didn't mean, it's interesting. Do you think they would treat the internet the way they treat the real world? Like all these people who they love how functional their sites are. Anyone that says anything gets banned immediately.

Everything's very clean. They work very well. You can access them pretty easily. They work a lot on the user experience. How's the user experience walking down the street? Yeah, how's the 405? In the Castro. How's the 405? Exactly. How's the user experience how's the user experience walking down the street how's the 405 in the castro how's the 405 how's the user experience there how are you interfacing with the person who just od'd in whole foods like apply all of the same things uh to the real world they just don't seem to care that's a brilliant observation they seem not to give a shit they

seem to care mainly about the digital world in. They seem not to give a shit They seem to care mainly about the digital world in which they're creating and ushering people into at a very rapid pace and They don't seem to care about the real world. And if I was a conspiracy nut I might say That the worst of real world is the more people are dependent on the digital world and the quicker You can get them all there that might be if i was you know having fun i might so you might like shut down the entire u.s economy and force everyone to stay indoors for a year seems like it might be a decent plan but would that actually work would people choose amazon over like local retailers do you think

yeah yeah you know you could transfer you could cancel rent and then transfer all that wealth from local landlords and demonize them to corporate landlords oh now own a lot of the united states and if you've ever had a local landlord which i have you're much better off i've been broke for years i was a comedian you're much better off sitting down with someone face to face like this and going i can get it thursday then you are dealing with black rock so they're not as compassionate they seem not to be they seem not to be so this idea that we demonized anybody that owned a two-family house and we said look at this scumbag landlord and they own a three-family house where they live in one of the units and the

other two units are people that they rent to and we said look at these people they're pieces you know what happened all the corporate landlords bought everything own everything and are raising the price of residential real estate for everybody that you know is trying to buy a house so it's it's weird where we do because we've got i never hear anyone talking with no one talks about no one cares no one talks about the fact that most of the new constructions um in london at one point it was 60 it might be more now or less but at one point it was about 60 of all new constructions i bet it's higher now are being bought by foreign nationals uh with llcs they're not living there that's doing in new york i mean they're doing it in all of these cities uh most of these buildings you look at new york billionaires row there's four lights on this huge skyscraper who's there no one's home there's no school bus

no one's taking their kids to school it's you know a guy that comes in and is laundering money through real estate uh in uh cities like new york and london and places that so that's why as the economy craters yeah and people are just poorer because of inflation yeah housing prices don't drop no rents don't drop that's right it's being artificially propped up and that's why these cities are really rich wealthy city you go who the has all this money who has all this money to buy these apartments and then you go oh it's criminals from all over the world that are washing a lot of dirty money in real estate and i'm sure maybe just rich people that aren't criminals but a lot of them a lot of them are guys if you look it up there's like a guy there's like a it'll be like

a guy who poisoned a river in zambia and then his no and it's like that's why all these real estate shows are fake they're all not true they're all these with these attractive women they walk around and they find these like they find like a guy who's a basketball player or a guy who's like an actor none of them are even buying the houses by the way i know the people that work on these real estate shows you know they really sell the houses to a lot of people that just come in speaking complete mandarin and i have a friend who's a real estate agent and they come in they speak complete mandarin to a translator he just points and he's beverly hill isn't pointing there you go they stand outside to look at the view and they're the

ones who are actually buying houses or russian nationals oligarchs or people from the united arab emirates or people for brazilian mining magnets or people from india it's it's very it's not really a lot of domestic buyers in la it's in new york it's it's a ton of foreign nationals you know and that's why these real estate shows just aren't true if they were true it would be a real estate agent um greeting someone at the door and going this is a beautiful house how did things go at the hague are you okay everything was good at the hague great we saw that take a look at the veranda they have, that would be the real show, but it's not the real show, you know? But what about the people who live here?

They can't afford housing. They can't afford housing. And no one cares. No one cares because they, the whole game now is people just say, rent, rent, take Ubers. You don't need a car. You don't need to own anything. It doesn't matter. You moved personally in the opposite direction.

Yeah. So you made money after years of being poor yes it sounds like you didn't put as much in the market as you did into real estate why um real estate to me is something i understand i i i would probably get richer if i knew more about stocks or if i knew you know i was caught up in that bitcoin craziness where i still have a good amount of crypto and i you know i remember you know we talked last, I remember sitting at a table with Jake Paul and a few of these guys. And Jake Paul's like, are you investing in Comrocket? I said, what is that? And he was like, well, it's a coin.

It's a shit coin, but it was going up. He's like, I've made all this money. And I called my business manager at 2 a.m. in Miami. And I'm a sober guy, but I feel high because I'm calling my business manager at 2 a.m. Go, should I invest in Cumrocket? And he goes, I think so. I think probably. So this is how nuts everyone got.

Did you invest in Cumrocket? I didn't. I was at the end of the day, I pulled out and I'm like, nah, let's just stick with the Bitcoin and Ethereum. You pulled out of Cumrocket. I pulled out of Cumrocket. I said, you know what? This is too volatile.

Yeah. But you went with the withdrawal method. I went with the withdrawal method of Cumrocket. I said, we don't? This is too volatile. Yeah. But you went with the withdrawal method. I went with the withdrawal method of come rock. And I said, we don't want it all over the place. But it was a crazy time. It was an insane time. NFTs, people were making millions of dollars. People were making all this money with Bitcoin.

It was a complete house of cards. It was crazy. And I think Bitcoin is a good thing. I think having this decentralized currency is actually a really cool thing but like everything else the world that grew around it was a world of criminals and con artists and flimflam artists and people were full of shit and people that were just taking all this money and pumping all these things up and just all these were stock scams and ponzi schemes and stuff like that real estate to me seemed the most safe because i understood it i get it i understand people always need houses want houses they give

you joy they make you happy there are things that promote other things in society that i think are good like having a family and keeping a family and having i have a house on long island where i could have my family come and visit and like i'm an hour from my father and i'm only a few hours from family that lives in rhode island like i think having places for people to gather is very important as part of my childhood. And those things are huge. And I don't think you get as much joy from come rocket,

you know, as an investment, you might get more money. So I, I understand that, but I've also watched friends not be able to, and I got lucky because I was a comedian. I got started a podcast.

Joe Rogan helped me out a lot by putting me on a bunch and I got really lucky, but I have friends that are hardworking people, firefighters, teachers versus the people that actually do the jobs that make society work and run and they're having a tough time now because interest rates are seven percent and the house values and with the rates i think it's the most time most expensive time to buy in like 40 years yes it's crazy so how closely do you follow residential real estate markets? Very. Are they going to come down?

Yes. The answer is eventually yes. There's more inventory coming in 2025. I think that rates dropping will get people off the sidelines. Right now, it's an inventory problem where there's just not a lot of houses. There's not a lot of houses on the market. Boomers don't want to die and they don't want to sell their homes boomers used to sell their homes go to

florida get a condo boomers don't want to do that they're actually retiring in some cases bigger homes it's it's kind of hilarious and somewhat satanic because this this selfishness is so ingrained it's so ingrained in them that their whole the the thing about the boomers is they've been alive for a very long time many of them have attained absolutely no wisdom so what they've done so that's not easy by the way it's actually impressive and what they've done is everything's material so this big house that they lured around i mean some of my friends parents i mean i'm writing a book about them they're hilarious they know nothing i mean nothing but they l lord around these big suburban castles and their whole sense of self worth comes from this it comes from materialism so the idea that they would leave this big house

which is every argument that a boomer ever tries to win they just point at their house i mean they don't know anything they have zero. They've read no books about anything. They're a very funny, the last really truly funny generation, I think because everyone has becoming flattened, but they are just very funny and deeply selfish. I mean, it's funny to watch them and it is funny,

but they're never going to get rid of these houses. So their kids are kind of, they're being held hostage. I mean whole economy you know i mean pelosi biden these very old people mitch mcconnell they won't retire none of them have any plans on retiring they want to die in office and that's very much like across the board nobody will sell their house nobody will step down at their job it's just a generation of people that don't want to stop because they're afraid of what's coming they know they'll be punished in the next life i don't even know they seem to be very ambivalent about that they they seem to face

death and kind of a very like uh um they don't seem to be too i'm kind of they don't seem appropriately afraid yeah i'm somewhat impressed by them actually they're they're they're sort of they're very casual about it i think because it it you know their their main fears are discomfort and i think if they're gone there won't be any more discomfort there's no more traffic what so you're writing a book about the boomers yeah they were my teachers growing up yeah and um it's not all bad but they're they're all bad i hated them from first grade when i realized they were they're funny though so to me the thing that i i say when i say they're not all bad they're terrible at all the things you would you would say that they're but they make me laugh but they're very fun trend yes over the last 70 years yes they've driven and fallen for

completely it whatever dumb trend from the pet rock to feminism yes fucking covid like they're all in on every trend the thing with the boomers is they they their life started in their woodstock people right so 100 they all went to wood we all believe my parents didn't because it was traffic i kid you not they turned around because there's too much traffic can you imagine there were boomers even then and they literally turned their car around i mean it's it's unforgivable it's unforgivable behavior um what happens is we are led to believe they're this very progressive uh generation of very interesting change agents agents of change and spiritual people right and then we we see of course that they're just selfish drug addicts that want to

just do drugs in a field which has its benefits but let's not pretend it's a a grand life strategy right and and then they just kind of you know buy into the they're the most propagandized generation in terms of advertising. Yes. I mean, the Edward Bernays stuff. I mean, they fell forever. They fed us all poison growing up. They fell for everything.

They fell for every corporate slogan. My father, who I love, but will cry at commercials. He would cry at the Budweiser Clydesdales and do the 9-11 thing. He loved the Budweiser frogs. They loved commercials. Boomers adored commercials they liked commercial good folgers commercial with family sitting together and they're drinking coffee boomers loved commercials they thought uh that all of these things that

corporations really cared about them and they kind of they were very somewhat naive and i think they're they're kind of like spinning out a little bit now because they've realized a little bit to some degree how wrong they were about everything. And now it's kind of becoming apparent. But they like being lied to is what you're saying. Well, they liked it because it was all about comfort. The idea of moving into the suburbs and getting this house and having all these things the mark of success became comfort you know for years in america the mark of success was like conquester yeah going and you know settling some achievement ever achievement or coming up with a company or

an advancement make people's lives better you know then it became about comfort it's where do you live and how leafy green is the suburb where's the pool and it was just like let's relax let's grill and i think what happened was a lot of these people just became kind of creatures of this environment where everybody was one-upping each other with cars and you know like but they still had that like hippie thing in them so they would still do weird stuff like my friend's dad has like a band and it's like he'll go and you know play in this band like terrible band but they'll they'll have fun like you know there were just these things that they like keep from that era even though they you know have you know gone fully down the road of like just materialism

and they didn't really like their children that's the other thing i find funny they view their children was like obstacles to their own success and fulfillment the boomers really didn't like their shows the first generation people that didn't really want their children to have it too much better than they did if they wanted them to have it better at all it was kind of a weird disgusting i know but it was just a very weird adversarial relationship my friend's mother just like faked she didn't go to his wedding she like faked some injuries she said she was attacked in a she was like attacked in a supermarket it's blatantly untrue what's lately untrue she made up the story that she was like attacked in a supermarket parking lot she just was like i'm attacked and i can't go and she just missed his

wedding she didn't go to his wedding why they're crazy these people i don't know these boomers i don't know why they do what they do but they're just it's just very funny it's like so one very funny thing was after my mother died i swear to god i was on the phone with my aunt which is her sister and i go i go what do we think about a funeral everything like that you know maybe thursday she goes i know she goes we've got a boat thing not really is her sister yeah she goes we're gonna go on the boat with some friends but she goes we could get it we maybe do it next we figure it out next week so but that's why they're so that's why i do love them i don't hate like i love them because it's like they're horrible but they make me laugh so

much and i was able to you know just fuse the stuff together to make it and the millennials suck too and there's other generations that are problem but um they just they make me laugh but they are terrible they are really terrible and that's what makes them what's so funny they're getting credit for it though finally someone who's disliked them since like 1977 i really have to yeah because they spoke entirely in cliches they're just so banal it's very it's very very it's very banal shallow and the materialist you're exactly right yeah but now it seems like they're just reviled by everyone is that true yes they're kind of reviled by everyone

and they're they're just i remember growing up all my friends parents they all they all spoke in like sayings totally and none of it meant anything and uh you know they would demonize perfectly good jobs like union jobs yes like you want to be like that guy you want to be like that guy and they have these empty corporate hellscape jobs that turn them all turn them into alcoholics and everything but they're like you want to be like that guy and it was usually like an in-shape guy like working construction like you want to be a scumbag like him or do you want to sit in office like me and cheat on your mother um so you so is this they always demonized other people you were always in a rat race with other kids they always talked about these other kids are doing better than you it was like you know kind of a weird like a weird but nothing was nothing was really focused on on excellence as much as it was

focused on winning to make them look good so like you know if you had boomer parents in sports they were always kind of like they weren't getting you up and making you train but they would go to the games and yell like they would go like there was this woman this woman her daughter was a swimmer my mother was a swim coach and this woman would get up and scream you know she'd be like totally in her daughter's corner they're just screaming and yelling but you'd never see her at any of the practices at 8 a.m when the kid's in the pool you know they wanted the end result this was the whole thing so they're the ones who push the college lie like dylan needs to go to princeton and i'm so proud they have to go to college our kids went

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parents they were disappointed they were thinking i would fail they knew you well i mean so the two options for a boomer kid a millennial or whatever you want to call me a gen x or whatever uh succeeding which they would be happy about because they would claim total credit for it yeah and then failing and then they would go um well you didn't listen to us of course you failed and i think with me they were very much like he's gonna be a big mess and we're gonna get to tell people all the time how how you didn't listen to anything we said and this is why but then it ended up it looked like it was going one way it went the other way so they're fine now they're cool with that but it's just it

is it was they didn't expect it they didn't expect it would you wreck they said to me my father's wife said to me who i do like a lot but she said she goes how does someone like you who made every wrong decision in their life end up in a house like this? But that is the way they talk. Maybe you made the right decisions. Does that occur to them? Never. Never. It's interesting, but that is kind of the way that they

speak. Because the results do sort of tell the story, right? You would think. Which is what I like. You know, but they were interesting their their spiritual life was materialism yeah and their um their lives were really um about themselves more than anyone else there's never been a generation where it's been about them as much

as it is uh but you know my aunt said to me during covid it made me laugh she goes we're on the phone i think i do they just made me laugh so much she goes she goes i hope everybody gets this vaccine and i said yeah she goes i hope everyone gets this vaccine i said yeah she goes because i want to travel and i worked my whole life she goes i've worked my whole life and by the way everyone's worked their whole of course it's the funniest thing to say everyone's worked their whole life like what are you talking like okay 20 people didn't work and they you know they grew up with whatever but like where she goes everybody better get this vaccine because i want to travel i want to go on cruises and because i've worked my whole life

and i believe she's been retired for about 30 years with full dental maybe 25 years right yeah but like it is just a fight it's very funny the way that they are you know they just it's they're perfect so you said a minute ago that um the internet has decentralized power and disempowered all these institutions. And those are the institutions that kind of decided who was successful and who wasn't, particularly in the entertainment business, news, sports even. Yeah. What does this mean for their ability to crush people they don't like, to cancel people? They'll have to find new ways to do it. And I think they're a little panicked um i think it hurts their ability to do it substantially dramatically that way yeah i think

dramatically you said you're friends with louis ck yeah um who i don't know i'm not defending louis ck but i remember reading the details of that and thinking you know okay maybe unattractive lou's been able to have a great career is that a crime like what was that no not at all and he's been able to have a phenomenal career why did they do that to him well i mean it was a moment in which and i don't know the details of every single accusation in that piece but i do know that it was a moment where people weren't thinking but even if they were all wanted to punish even if everything written about the guy that i read was true you'd be like all right that's embarrassing well that was a time when it wasn't enough that someone uh admit to a mistake

or admit it was about destroying people yes about ending their lives why i just think if people get caught up in these moral panics and they want to hurt people and this is something deeply innate in our uh beings that have to be dealt with. We have to figure out why we do this. But this is something that people like mobs and they like getting their pitchforks out. And I think he's been able to have a phenomenal career. And he's made movies. He's sold out Madison Square Garden.

He's done all these things. His fans love him. And he's one of the greatest comedians that's ever lived. So you have that. But yeah, it was a time when people just wanted other people to be heard it wasn't enough to say i fucked up no matter who it was or what they did and i think now i think people are people are looking at the full the full picture of a human being and going like you know what i think we're all over that i'm hoping we're all over that but there are forces out there that um

are gonna have to adjust you know so i don't know what they do so louis ck was they may go back to killing people that's what they did for a long that's what they did for a long time and then they now they then they started destroying their reputations but before that they killed them if you remember that yes they people would die in all these weird ways and cars would go off things and people get shot in the middle of hotels and then it just started to be like we're just going to take out people's reputations does seem like people a lot of people are dying have you noticed this and and does he not not just yeah bing but right yeah yeah yeah it's it's yeah there's a lot of problems it's not good okay but just in case it turns out that he not only survived this

yeah this character assassination attempt but thrived he thrived because his talent spoke for itself and people what is anyone keeping track of all the other guys who were destroyed um i think i i think a lot of them are doing great i think a lot of them are doing fine because i think as we talked about it's not the worst thing to have people turn on you because it makes you, it builds resilience. You know who your real friends are. You fall back on your talent. You lean on your talent.

You lean on the things that you can do better than anyone else. And you try to make those even better. You have to be more effective in a way. You can't coast. The tide will not carry you so you have to find ways to you know create your own uh environment and create your own uh inertia to move the things you're doing forward because you don't you won't be carried anymore by the mainstream.

So you have to just go. And I think that's ultimately a good thing. Well, Sue, it's bad that people kiss your ass. It's bad for your soul. I mean, you must deal with that. No, I think I deal with people that lie to me all the time. So that is a version of kissing your ass. Of course.

People lie. So people make things. You don't get a lot of good feedback all the time but then there are people that i trust to give me real feedback and they're not people that i'm usually paying you start paying people that can get complicated but there are some people that i pay that i do trust to give me real feedback but then there's a lot of people that earn money off when i earn money that tell me everything's great all the time and i go i don't know if that was great. I go, no, it was great.

Like their job is to just keep you in a positive mind frame so that you keep earning money. Their job is not to bring any negative or real things to the forefront. I mean, don't you think it's good for you to be attacked and confronted and belittled and humiliated and brought to who you really are once again? I think it's certainly good if you're a creative person. Yes. and confronted and belittled and humiliated and brought to who you really are once again i think it's it's certainly good if you're a creative person yes you have to create and you have to shake yourself out of a comfort zone for sure yeah do you get enough hate that it keeps you human i think so i think i get enough hate you got enough today i think i get enough of people that don't like what i do or say for sure. I think things are appropriately difficult,

meaning like I have friction and that's good. I think that, you know, people, I'm not, I'm not a person who, you know, is,

uh, beloved with a lot of what I say, but my fans are people that like what I do like me. But then there are people that need some convincing. I that's good i think that's good i don't mind that when i sit down with people and you know my manager people like that will tell me they go yeah they you know they like you but they don't they don't know really who you are i think you get a lot of similar stuff where people go well they have ideas about you that are not from you they are just out there so well i agree and i don't think there's anything wrong with being attacked for your actual crimes there's

nothing wrong with that and i welcome it it's being called names that actually aren't accurate yeah you know for sure i once was talking to a new york times reporter who was telling me what a racist i was yeah and i said i'm actually i first of all i would tell you if i was racist i'm really not a racist i'm actually a sexist right and which i thought was hilarious yeah sort of true and i thought what if that's a good line yeah didn't print it no they won't print it if someone said that to me in an interview i would print that yeah i participated once i don't know a ton of i know some people in journalism but i participated once in this thing where like there's a few journalists that like wanted to talk to a comedian because they they were like we want to start using more

comedy in our pieces and i was like wait what and they they were just these totally unfunny like people it was just tough i was like guys just write the fucking news but they wanted like you know they wanted like what did you tell them i just said you know i don't know i think people that are good at this stuff are good at it you know and i i just i can't tell you how to make something funny you know because they were basically saying like we think that our reach will grow dramatically if we're funny and i go it might grow dramatically if you reported facts you know that did they laugh no they didn't they were like well so that's all are there any journalists you like or read or trust or i mean there's people that i read all the time like who um i read andrew sullivan a lot

i don't always agree with him but i think he's well worth the read i i've read seymour hirsch every article that he writes I read Barry Weiss I'll read the Free Press whether I agree or not I'll read Taibbi I'll read your stuff from Daily Caller and people that have written there I'll read

Thomas Friedman, I'll read Nicholas Crystal I'll read the Times, I'll read Washington Post I'll read Ann Applebaum and the Atlantic and I disagree with her, I don't to go to russia tomorrow i have an engagement thank you i have a lunch um she's very hyped about the russia thing god bless but i think why is she so mad at russia i don't know they all want to go to war with russia i have things what is that i have a kitchen renovation um and do you think by the way it's a little weird as you're an adult man yeah with a job yeah it's

a little weird to have someone like anna applebaum or any of these people like tell you what your opinion should be it's very strange i mean she's very aggressive on this russia issue and there's this idea that i think we we have this purpose. We have a deficit of purpose in the country. Yes. This is what I think. I think we have a deficit of purpose. I think the elites feel it.

The people that have lots and lots of time to think about these things feel the deficit of purpose. I think if you're working 20 hours a day to feed your family, you don't have a deficit of purpose. No, you don't have a deficit of purpose. No, you don't. But I think if you're lounging around in a D.C. townhouse trying to figure out what problems you need to go out and desperately solve evil. And this is the purpose. This is why we've all been on the planet to confront the country with the most nuclear weapons of any other country over two regions of the two northern provinces in Ukraine, which if you Google image them, I mean, take it. I mean, truly, truly. And I'll give him part of this country, too. There's a lot of this country. Which parts? A lot.

There's parts of it that we don't need. I'll give him part. If Putin wants it, we'll give him part of this country too there's a lot of this country which parts uh a lot um there's parts of it that we don't need i'll give him part if putin wants it yeah we'll give him parts of california north jersey yeah we'll give him some parts of that you will give it i i think we should actually let's really fuck him let's give him upstate new york let's give him a lot of michigan let's give him stuff where he goes hey man i'm good could he fix connected do you think i don't know if anyone could i was just in schenectady and i like the people there but i don't know if anyone could i actually said on stage it would be nice if putin invaded this um what kind of response did you get they all laughed they're great they're great comedy yeah they are they get it but yeah i mean i think there's deficit of purpose i think people like an apple bomb i'm sure she's lovely lady or whatever i don't think so she's a little vicious

in the the way she writes loathsome yeah never met her but it's very aggressive it's very like we gotta go to we gotta go to russia and we gotta fight putin and i i'm like is it weird some rich girl in dc is telling other people to fight war that's weird to me i go are you is this a bad day thing are you i you know i i wake up and i go i should jog i should work i should do better things that i don't end up doing and i go i should you know i should have a breakfast of just uh you know some macrobiotic la sludge that it's more healthier i never think i should go to war with russia no i know i've never thought of that i've never thought of that i you know i i should take a road trip i should connect with an old friend i've never thought that i should go to war with russia i've never believed

i never thought that was a good way to spend a summer that they don't want you to go to russia um i don't know i don't know i don't i i think that they like we need enemies we have a huge national security apparatus that relies on conflicts we sell a lot of weapons yes we have a huge uh investment in that and you know we're arming the ukraine and kind of an unwinnable war that everybody knew was unwinnable and it was incredibly bloody and it didn't have to be and you know this is something where the secretary of state anthony blinken went and performed rock in the free world i don't know if you saw that i did see it yeah i mean did that inspire confidence it's disturbing it's crazy if my child died in a war and then the secretary of state of the country that's supposedly backing us showed up to play music i would kind of be in the middle of the war by the way the war's not

over it would be a little disturbing to me so it's just very strange and then you know the kamala harris thing of like well this was a bigger country that invaded a smaller country and that was her i mean kamala harris is like a brentwood mom you know she's like a wine drunk kind of brentwood mom and so that's the way a mom would explain that that's what like a brentwood california pacific palisades you know tuna tartare chardonnay mom explains that she goes it's a bigger country and they've invaded a smaller um so that's's the level of understanding they want us to have of any conflict. But maybe, so maybe that's not the truth is what you're suggesting. Yeah, but imagine it's not.

I imagine it's not. Everybody that I've spoken to, respect people like RFK and everything. There's a whole narrative that nobody's read about. Nobody understands. The war was ongoing since 2014. Yeah. And just because we weren't paying attention doesn't why did these minsk accords not get signed why i mean like you know what do you think it's really

about actually i think it's about you know i i think you know when when when people like ann applebaum write that russia's a failed state and we need to westernize it this is in the atlantic it's a failed state she's written these these things. And this is a common belief. Maybe a state you don't like. It's the opposite of a failed state. It's a coherent state. Yeah, you cannot like it. It's been around for a thousand years.

It's not my... I remember when it was my job to give shopping malls to Afghanistan. I remember that. Oh, you do? I remember when I was a senior year in high school and everybody goes, here's what we're doing. We're going to Afghanistan and Iraq. We're going to democratize the Middle East.

This was the project. Yeah. Now these psychopaths want to democratize russia back then they were republicans now they're calling themselves democrats it doesn't seem to matter they float between the two parties bill kristol's on msnbc now all the time and i remember i'm old enough to remember that what i mean how did we leave afghanistan 20 years later does it seem democratized the taliban's in power we should have a five-year moratorium on any conflicts after this after 20 years and the taliban goes back in power it should be it's like if you have a party armed by us yeah if you have a party at your house and it burns down your parents should go you're done now you're done in our new house you don't have any parties only you gotta really establish that you've grown and learned from this.

That was crazy to me. So when all these people make these arguments, I go, it doesn't really make sense that we would be doing this again. Do you feel that changing? To the extent that you're with Brentntwood wine moms now yeah are they less enthusiastic about the brave ukrainian people they don't care they don't care exactly no one really care it's just fun to pretend to care no one cares no one no one unless you're from the ukraine or you live in the ukraine no one cares at all it is not even a real thing you know if it comes up at a dinner people go terrible terrible horrible

do they have the sticky toffee pudding no one it's not real it's not on our shore it doesn't affect us it is no we don't fight we just arm people we send money we don't care it's not it's the israel gaza thing it's not real people get very upset but none of these things affect us because we can watch them but they're not impacting our daily lives they're not impacting our daily lives and so the government now if the government said to us now they're starting to do these really interesting things they're going we need the draft we want to we want to do that again germany's thinking about that we're thinking military times ran an article where they're like selective service uh we should we should reinstate the draft um they're soon up people go fuck yourself

how's that sound that's right go ahead and do that and then we can talk people are starting to perk their ears up now. That changes everything. People start to go, wait a minute, what's going on? Because they're clearly preparing for something huge. This is in the cards. You can feel it.

You talk to military people about it. They're kind of they kind of go, well, there's a i don't even know they know but there's something ominous that they're preparing for just you can feel it that they're preparing for something big they're floating all these ideas about drafts we haven't heard these for 20 30 years not even when supposedly remember terrorists were going to blow up every city in america we didn't hear about the draft we didn't hear about the draft

when terrorists were going to blow up everything you in America? We didn't hear about the draft. We didn't hear about the draft. When terrorists were going to blow up everything, you're going to be sitting at a lunch table. It's going to blow up. We didn't hear about the draft. Now we're hearing about the draft. Something's coming. I don't know what's coming, but something ominous. They're planning for something. And if you can kind of feel it.

I mean, I don't know if that's something you've picked up on or you think. I certainly have. Maybe you think. Maybe I'm being dramatic. You're not being dramatic and i mean it's as simple as they can't lose the war against russia that we're waging we're waging a war against russia it's not ukraine ukraine is macron in france going nato troops in ukraine remember when they were trying to enforce a no-fly zone i remember doing a show in the warner theater in dc it was a great theater and i'm like what the i mean i'm like you know a no-fly

zone enforcing that guarantees a hot war an actual war with russia immediately overnight that's right immediately as soon as they want and they were sick they were two years ago and they were saying let's do it i remember very well you know and i was like i was going wait a minute guys what the fuck we're going to war with russia tomorrow i was like what's going on i said we've done enough with the sanctions what did we take out of it we took out the taco bell there you go you we'd said no mcdonald's dramatically improve the country no mcdonald's we took out all the poison food and i said listen we've done enough i remember talking to louis about i was like but it's just so crazy like there's just something about all these celebrities clamoring for

a war with russia i go there's something strange about this there's something weird and i don't know what it comes from this need to and but they are preparing you can feel it you can feel it when macron goes maybe we should have NATO trips in france and when germany goes maybe we should have a draft and you go what's wait a minute what's happening what is happening something so but i mean you said a minute ago that there's no chance ukraine quote ukraine which is really nato which is really the united states can win against a nation with 100 million more people in deeper industrial capacities like the whole thing was stupid from day one when it's not winnable right yeah but what and which is true but what if we quite obviously lose then it means after

years of well we've already almost lost in the way if you think about this russia putin has purged um just people that were disloyal in the government he's consolidated power he's opened a bigger trading relationship with china india uh pakistan brazil i believe um economic production and the company is up uh you know the industrial production's up uh he evaded all these sanctions pretty much the wages have gone up wages have gone he's in a stronger position now than he's ever been of course after this policy country's thriving ours is not yeah like it's a weird thing to look at that situation and go he kind of has already won in that sense if the goal was to strengthen him which it clearly wasn't the goal is to bleed out the russian military it hasn't worked but i do think they're trying there's something else is going to happen i don't know

what they're going to do but they're so but if if it becomes really obvious like with the afghan pullout that like we lost that's right all the those words that we've been throwing at you for the last two and a half years they were fake we are powerless we are weak and now we have no credibility it's totally discrediting right for tony blinken yes hillary clinton yes all these susan rice all the monsters in charge of wrecking our country are humiliated yeah i can't have that right because it's about them it's not about us it's about them yeah it's and you know we're gonna probably commit more money to that situation and i could even see a situation where and i hope we're not stupid enough to do this but they are starting to float this idea of like the money's not enough and i don't know what's next but we

know what's next we don't want what's next you know when when people go well we might need troops we should have nato troops well this is what they're doing they're going we should have nato peacekeeping for it's very interesting recently they've gone what about some nato peacekeeping forces there let's just put some i mean it's just like what does it mean to drop a quote peacekeeping force yeah into a war where are the nato peacekeeping forces in gaza where are the nato forces are they not on the way in raf are they not there where is that nato peacekeeping force in the korean we know what's we know what happens next and it's a full-blown war and that's terrible it's world war three but it sounds like that's accelerating. It seems to be.

I mean, again, I'm no genius, but I pick up on little clues that are out there and I go, huh, it seems. And Mike Johnson, the new speaker, is not going to stop it, you think? I don't think he's going to stop it. No, I don't think anyone's going to stop it. I don't think anyone's going to stop it. What's your read on him? I need more evidence.

I mean, he seems sort of like an you know like an empty suit a little bit i mean that seems to be my vague or reflection generic understanding of him as sort of like an empty suit that doesn't rolled yeah i feel like he's you know there is and it's not party specific but there are interests that are just bigger than the parties and it is a lot of you know that we have 22 intelligence agencies most people can name three yes four um we have a pentagon that's incredibly you know well fine i'm not saying we shouldn't have a military or intelligence agencies but none of these people are elected we don't really know what any of them are doing and we don't really know the rationale for why they're

doing certain things um and those things never come up to a vote you know nobody votes on even like our immigration policy nobody ever voted on that nobody ever said well here's what i think should no they've refused to have a vote yeah they haven't had a vote on how can people i mean so we're mad that you know about invasions around the world and we're spending untold billions to stop invasions but at the same time we've had millions of military-aged men come into our country because there's no border right one's ignoring that as they're staring so intently at these foreign conflicts what is that well the most compassionate thing to do is invade countries make them unlivable and then have their people come over here and cut your grass. But clearly that's what's going on.

That's all that's going on. We're destabilizing whole regions of the world. A lot of those regions are coming into America, and there's just no plan. I mean, obviously, there should be some type of – I just don't think that all these people that uh you know in greenwich connecticut for example you know i i don't know i can't imagine just from knowing some of them they barely like each other in the house right there's no way they love el salvadorians there's just no way that they want lda and it's not because they're el salvador it's just like they don't even like each other they don't like the neighbor there's no way that they love the

nation of guatemala they want people to work for less money than they can pay americans i mean this is just truth and they want nobody wants to talk about it but you look at la la is just tons of that the gardeners people building houses houses, people, you know. And, you know, you have it all over the place. Rich people get a lot out of having people come to this country and they don't have to pay them. So how is that different from feudalism? Having a lot of serfs. Not too different.

It's not too different. I'm sure there's a lot of people come to the country the good people they want to feed their families and work and you know they end up being abused and they end up in a situation that is for sure and this is you know like you know this is like this kind of idea that we can just import um all of these people everybody and then there's not going to be significant growing pains and how many people we can assimilate into a physical space and a cultural space and a financial space and when nobody's being honest about any of those growing pains nobody's even saying it's a mixed bag nobody's even saying it's good and bad everyone's going no it's great and if you don't like it you're a nazi that is why you see all over europe and and a lot of people electing leaders that are anti-immigration anti-migration because

they themselves understand that there are downsides significant sweden is now you know the most dangerous one of the most dangerous countries. There's all kinds of articles being written about Sweden that the crime rates have gone up dramatically over the last 10 years. Well, what's happened over the last 10 years, right? So people- But why do the Swedes put up with it? Or why do Americans put up with it? What is it about people in the West, I'll say it white people who like they just feel like they

can't complain or something well i think there's there's twofold number one certain people benefit from it so certain people go well the maid the nanny i'm getting my nails done uh we've got cheaper help at the beach club or whatever it is there are people that have a direct benefit from it there are people that you know feel like um they ignore any potential negative or downside because they feel like um they have a lot of guilt for whatever reason maybe it's the colonial period of the 17 18 centuries or they feel like uh that the right thing to do is just to ignore any potential downside to immigration because they feel guilty about how the country was established or how people were treated or any of that that feeds into that mindset. Even though if you go back, obviously, before the 17th and 18th century, slavery was all over the world. Conquest was all over the world. People were killing each other.

Different races were subjugating and killing other races people fought over land religion the way i mean it was it was a madhouse it was plunder it was violence this was the way of the world if you but most people don't have any knowledge of like the ancient world they don't have any knowledge of of anything path that period of colonialism is where most people start their knowledge of history and in that period the west is seen as the you know the enemy of anything that is good and so the guilt that gets uh embedded into people is then i think manifested in these conversations about immigration where it's like listen it's to me it's very economic there's times the country will need more immigrants right and there's times when the country will need less but there's probably um a way to kind of decide who comes into the country we should be able to check their

background to make sure that they are not terrorists they're not dangerous they're not doing these things i don't think that's an unreasonable ask. Well, if you're importing millions of people, over 10 million people with no education and no skills, high tech skills, at exactly the moment when technology, AI, is going to eliminate millions of jobs. Yeah. Especially low end jobs. Yeah. What is that? That seems crazy. It seems like intentional harm.

Yeah. Well, it certainly seems that the people don't really care i don't think people care i think that's you know you drive through i think a lot of people have just written off large swaths of the country i travel around doing comedy all over the country you see places where people go they've given up on this they've given up they don't care i mean i remember detroit when people just went oh that's bankrupt there's what's done you know it's coming back now but it was an american city people just went we don't care and people gave up um you know this is this happens all over the place and i think so you're in a real estate investor and a non-stop

traveler i travel a lot yeah so where are the places that you think are promising over the next 20 years? South Florida, anywhere south of Jupiter. I mean, I think East Coast. Yeah. East Coast. There's a business climate there that people like. People just like. The thing that's happened with California, which was a beautiful and amazing and a great state.

It's like there's this idea that you can't do it in California.ifornia it's so hard there's so many regulations everything costs so much money the houses cost so much money it really is a dream and it's kind of a pipe dream and new york is becoming like that too there are these places that have become so unattainable for people that they're going elsewhere and and they're going to texas going to florida and it's not always political either it's some of it is but some of it is economic doesn't sound political yeah no it's people that are like sounds way deeper i can't afford to live here and then the value of what i'm getting for my money is not worth it anymore you know if i'm living in venice beach california but somebody climbs over my wall and decapitates my wife i don't care that the mexican food is better right there is something right now there's

a trade air yeah so i think that's happening but south florida is is good i think that um you know there's texas i think central texas is still going to grow i think it slowed down austin was like a boom during the pandemic central texas i think will grow i think like idaho i think any of those areas obviously montana all those areas are getting very expensive um but you know idaho i think you know climate wise is going to be pretty good any of those mountainous regions that are incredibly pretty and you know i think they're they're not going to be 115 degrees and stuff so i think a lot of people will probably migrate in that area i think hudson new york that area anywhere that's an hour and a half two hours out

of a city because people are working remote or they're they're working two or three days a week areas like that i think that hudson valley is going to be big you know what about the west coast you know i mean listen arizona certainly if you could take the heat not a not a coast you know no no i mean i mean oh yeah washington oregon californ washington state of all of those washington state um has is the most resilient i think portland is tough i think that unless they reverse a lot of their policies it's going to be tough but i think the lifestyle of the west coast washington state's a beautiful state seattle's a little bit of a mess but most people live there not to live in seattle they live there to live the mountains and the lakes is beautiful i think washington state i

think their tax system is a little better and i think that there's a lot of people I I would say that that area holds and builds in the West Coast you know and I think in you know I think Orange County California which is about an hour and a half south of LA where the DA actually prosecutes crime and people feel better raising their families there and they get that you know lifestyle of being by the beach and things like that i think that holds um and hopefully san francisco's get reversed and gets better and i don't know i i tend to think that it may come back i don't know but you know that would be a hope what about home ownership like you grew up in a world you're not even that old yeah people own their homes like middle class yeah owned homes is that over it seems to be over in the sense that it's becoming more and more difficult i think for people now

to there's trade-offs to owning a home owning a home is not perfect for everybody it's not right for everybody it's not you know always ideal it is ideal for people that have the finances to do it and to to live you know and to um i think it's because i think people are looking at their lives now and they're going the amount of money and work and all the things that we're gonna have to do to own this home just may kill us and that it shouldn't be that way but i think that's what's happening so i think the trade-offs now are much higher why isn't anyone running on home ownership that was like a pillar of americans because you gotta shut down the real estate lobby you gotta shut down all these people you have to stop but they're like the worst people in the world i know they're the worst but people won't

tell you know there's this idea that and i think again it's like we are a capitalist country i'm a capitalist i think it's great to make money. But I do think that there is a point where consolidation, you have all these companies, you have three or four companies running everything, doing everything. You're preventing the spirit of capitalism. You're preventing small businesses. You're preventing competition. You're preventing all these things.

And you have this conglomerate of all of these different um multinational corporations that just are these nameless faceless blobs that own the government i mean it's just hard to imagine you know people opening a restaurant starting a bed and breakfast uh you know opening a hardware store opening a business they can't do it and i think that now owning a home is the new opening a business where it's like i remember like 20 years ago people like we can't open a business would you nuts now it's like people going oh i can't own a home so because i remember people in this country used to open businesses that was also a thing people used to actually have a business and work

for themselves that has all been put out i mean there's still people doing that but it's very few and corporations run everything you go to new york city everything's a chase bank that has all been put out. I mean, there are still people doing that, but it's very few. And corporations run everything. You go to New York City, everything's a Chase Bank. Everything's a steakhouse that has 15 locations. Everything is, you know, and it used to be like mom and pop diners and stuff that had great food and weren't that expensive. And like, you know, maybe you waited a little longer.

Maybe there was an attitude. Maybe there's a crazy person there who ran the place it was kind of an eccentric but it was fun now everything is corporate i mean every sushi restaurant looks like every steakhouse and they all look like hedge funds you know what i mean like you go into every place and you're like what does the hedge fund look like just do you kind of marble and like a neurology clinic right so everything and i know you're big on architecture so that's one of my things too is it's like the sameness of everything how hollow and corporate it is um it's designed to just you know exist primarily on a screen um and you know it's like

you know you lost a lot that's the thing people people go oh, people go, oh, who cares? People, small businesses. Like nobody, the country you live in is fundamentally different. You see different things. Physically different. Physically different. Why does nobody notice that? Nobody notices. Nobody cares.

People are just, they're just being ushered into this new thing. And nobody's asking. Everything is the same 10 corporations. It's the same 20 restaurants. You know, you go to, you go to any town and you have the football stadium, the baseball stadium. You have the two chain steakhouses everyone's heard of, a cheesecake factory, a mall, a bad area, some historic place that no one goes, and a Marriott, a Hilton, a nice old hotel that's kind of broken down but is kind of charming and it has a brunch on a Sunday.

And then it's surrounded by 45 minutes to an hour of urban decay that's every city in america outside of 10 where's the resistance like when i was a kid there was a group called earth first which i made fun of because they were like liberals or whatever right now i sort of love them but there's nothing like it left and they would just go put sugar in the gas tank of bulldozers. We're trying to clear cut woods to build a development. And their point, they were kind of Kaczynski-ites. Well, corporations have done a great job of going, we love you. We like you. We actually think you're great.

We think it's great. We're progressive. Everything you're into, we're into. Everything that the internet says is good we're kind of we vibe with uh we totally are we're open to everything we're going to do everything you want if you want a black female ceo you're going to get one you're not going to we're not stopping the sweatshops but you're going to get you're getting a black female ceo you might you know you we can get anything you want we will do anything you want you want a polyamorous orgy

here at chase we'll do it we'll do it we're gonna foreclose on everyone's house but we'll do that and they keep moving the goal post around where you're kind of confused you go what exactly is happening and that's why i'm amazed at their ability to do when we grew up we always looked at these corporate wall street guys you're all you're all fucking criminals yes and you know we're watching our own backs even though we know you need to make money and maybe there's a way for us to make money together but we always got to watch our backs the tech people are now very much like we're utopians we're great we're good everything's good we drink green juices we ride bikes we care about the environment we care about you um and that's it you know all the 14 year olds are killing themselves because of our product but

we're good people and there's something really scary about people that come to you it's always very and i'm just the type of guy where if somebody comes to me out of nowhere and goes hi i care about you i love you and i care about you and i want you to have the best life ever and i go cool what what's this about because i know what's coming next you know which is rape yeah what's coming next is just getting this van so i think we have a situation where the tech people are kind of saying get in the van whether it's a family member friend or furry companion joining your summer road trip enjoy the peace of mind that comes with volvo's legendary safety during volvo discover days enjoy limited time savings as you make plans to cruise through

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That's like a brilliant analysis. Yeah. Really smart. I'm not inviting you into the van. That's a sincere praise. So that's like a much more effective but also a much more sort of female approach yeah rather than just like you know just do old-fashioned fascism or old-fashioned feudalism yeah like i'm the lord you're the serf yeah you don't like it i'm gonna flog you yeah there's something kind of straightforward and less threatening about

that right yes i mean there's something kind of straightforward and less threatening about that right yes i mean there's something straightforward about knowing people's intentions intentions are big and if they're out in the open i'm much more comfortable if i know why if i walk into uh if you walk on a car lot and somebody comes up to you to sell you a car it's completely understandable whether that person's honest or not whether they're going to give you a good deal or not you know exactly what they're trying to do and you know what their end goal is they want to sell you a car so they yeah yeah exactly when someone's trying to remake the world you live in for your benefit and you have no idea why they're trying

to do it and you have no idea what it will look like you have no concept of what this world is gonna look like we were all promised this world is just tech worlds gonna connect everybody everybody all this stuff and the free and open exchange of ideas and information what has kind of becomes this lonely isolating thing where everybody you know teenagers are being severely damaged by uh these products that are out there it's it's not good there are people that are their mental health has deteriorated on these platforms right um and you know there doesn't seem to be any accountability nobody cares there's a few books about it and a few people are upset about it it's also very

co-opted by you know you also have the political angle too where it's like everybody's talking about banning tiktok and i'm sure tiktok has spyware and what else but everyone's talking about it because kids are now sitting down at the table with their family and watching the gaza stuff they're going why we're shooting this baby in the face and their family is going well you know i don't know very's a very good reason there's a good reason for it i want you to focus on your driving test and you go yeah but they're lighting these people on fire and so now all these kids are getting information from tiktok and nobody likes it nobody likes it so now it's going now it's good oh so it's not banning tiktok is not an effort a

last-ditch effort to save us from trauma. I don't think they can. They don't care about your kids' mental health. I don't think they ever have. I don't think they're interested in your kids' mental health. They're not interested in your mental health. They're not interested in the mental health of anybody. So they're certainly not interested in your kids' mental health. And they're not banning TikTok because they care about your kids' mental health.

That's just completely untrue. Now, I'm not saying that TikTok's an innocuous thing. i'm sure there's things in tiktok that i'm unaware of but their reasons for it are not the ones they're saying what's your relationship with technology i use it for work i have to use it um but like be specific yeah it's enabled yeah it's enabled me to make uh a career out of what i do so of course i'm very excited about it i think we have to live with it it's not something we can become luddites and just you know i go on my you know i have you know i'll post clips of things i've done i will read a lot so i read i go to drudge i read all these things yeah every day i read a lot and then i go to instagram and you know things like that and i

post where i'm going to be and so you know here i'm going to be here if you want to come see me or if i'm going to do whatever and then you know i go in and record a podcast usually once or twice a week twice a week every week and then you know the clips are cut i post the clips and everything like that it's a relatively healthy relationship you can't start reading about yourself i don't read about myself rogan taught me that he's like don't read about yourself and he's right um good or bad he's right to just ignore it and do what you're gonna do so smart he's right about 100 of that so i don't really read about it but you know i don't i didn't grow i remember growing up without it i remember not having access to a smartphone until i was

probably in the blackberry was uh i was in college you're not even 40 though right yeah i'm 39 but i was kind of late to the game so it sounds like you um probably in the last year of American children not to marinate in technology from birth. Yeah, we were the last year. We were half in, half out. Like, we were certainly not marinating in it from birth. savvy than others but it started in middle school but it didn't come on anywhere nearly as strong as it comes on for kids now because we didn't have smartphones attached to us you know i mean i had a flip phone in high school it was like who care you could call your friend exactly text but it wasn't you weren't inundated all day with these things but do you make an it sounds like you make

an effort just to answer your question for you yeah to connect with people directly rather than just yes i love going and seeing people who i i believe in that i'll go out i'll leave the earth doing that meaning like i don't want to be a part of the i mean i might have to to some degree to be for my career but i don't want to be in a metaverse i don't want to be in a virtual world i know that that has no appeal to me it sounds like you literally fly around to see people i do yeah i do yeah no one does that yeah i know it's interesting i know it's important to see people stay in their bubbles i like to see people all the time i like to talk to people but physically yeah yeah you got to be in there's something about a friendship that i believe needs a physical dimension it doesn't mean you have to see them all the time but like the idea that you can have dinner with someone even if it's once or

twice a year but the idea that you can be in their presence is important to me and it's not just somebody that exists uh you know online in the digital and you don't just do that for work reasons no i do it socially i do it to see people yeah i want to know what's going on i don't think you know what's going on reading texts i agree completely yeah yeah is that why you've managed to stay sane despite being on the road all the time well i mean sane's a relative term but i think it helps it helps to see people and get out of the world of uh you know whatever the entertainment business is and just see see friends and people that are raising kids and have businesses and have lives and live

in different parts of the country and are excited about different things and are have challenges i don't have and have the aspirations that i find very interesting and helping them in any way that i can or or going there to like you know just hang out with them and their families it's important to me to go and see the actual people living life i'm a big fan of that i yeah i think people staying in a place i understand that people have to do it there was economic conditions in my life where i had to do it um but now that i have the ability to kind of go and travel and meet people it's i think it's a cool thing to do how do you not go crazy on the road all the time um it's difficult i think it's difficult. I think it's difficult. I, because I have to record the show every, I'm always somewhere where I have to do the podcast twice a week. So I try to, like I said, when I'm on the road, I try to bookend things where I can visit friends, see people, old friends of mine will come out to a show and we'll go out and grab dinner take a walk around their neighborhood there is something to me about trying to connect with people that i wasn't as important to me now i'm older it's become really important it was important to me you know if you

came to me five six years ago i would go who cares you know now if someone out of nowhere goes hey we went to high school together uh and i'm like and they're even weirded out by the guys i saw you're performing everything and i go what are you doing and they're like uh i don't know i'm like i got nothing to do on saturday and i will go to their house we'll take walks well i want to connect with people now i think you do not spend 12 hours in a hotel room no no no no i try my hardest to meet people that i know or go to a place I find interesting. You must do a million people who spend their lives like you do on the road and they all kind of go insane or get addicted to something weird. I don't think you can do it forever.

So I think I'm 39. I think I've got a few years left. I don't think I'll be doing this forever on the road. I do believe that. I do believe that there's an end point to it. Sorry, agents. But I do believe that eventually you have to say like, okay, I've done enough and I've seen enough and this has been great, but I'm going to do it a lot less frequently.

So I don't think, but there's a lot of people that listen, everybody battles with things on the road. The road is a difficult place to be because you're taken out of your environment and you're dropped in this thing and the comforts that people look to i mean we're all everybody battles different things out there you know drugs food sex uh lying you know cheating gambling whatever it is that you are um you have issues with the road makes it come out so you have to like you have to keep vigilant about certain things so that you're not in like, you know, you don't get into trouble. Yeah.

I mean, that's why touring musicians die at 27, right? That's right. Yeah, for sure. They live hard. How many years have you done it? I've been on the road now probably about consistently since about 2018, 2018 okay so we're under it's under 10 years you know it's been even before that i was doing stuff but it was much less yeah i wasn't like going all over the place i was like staying kind of i was in new york i would go like to connecticut or pennsylvania or

boston or dc but now i'm doing a lot more and i'm all over the country and then we travel internationally too so it's definitely what's the worst you've ever bombed i did um good question i did uh you do these fundraisers in long island you would get booked and they were very bad rooms for comedy that have these circular tables where people are eating dinner with each other yeah and you would be in the corner of the room with a microphone and they would bring you up and a lot of times you'd be following a performer or a somebody this was a woman who was crying her daughter died of cancer and she was like she was a fighter and we love her and everyone's clapping and then the guy gets up and goes now we have a comedian and i went up i'm doing jokes about like frozen yogurt and stuff and it just didn't it was bad it was bad it was bad because it was utter disinterest

there's bombing where people hate you and you can almost feed off the energy yeah hatred and then there's utter disinterest there's utter like god this was a bad idea and we're checked out and the worst thing is you knowing it was a bad idea it was a terrible idea i shouldn't be there and we shouldn't have done this what's what joke is offending people more than any other i have a bit about the ukraine people don't like really i do yeah what do you say um well i can't say it here because then no one will see me but no i'm kidding uh it's it's uh what do i say i say what do i say i say um i describe a scene where i say this guy zielinski you know i said i don't like him he's ripped he's good looking and he wants money there's nothing worse than a good looking guy that can't have he doesn't know where to get any money and i go he he pops up in the

middle of the grammy awards when you're just trying to watch wet ass with your children yeah and i said you called him into the room and you bring out your pregnant 12 year old and she's twerking in the living room and your other kid comes out and they're non-verbal and they're just in the back kind of swaying and this guy from a country you've never heard of wants money and i go vladimir putin's maybe not a great guy but so far he's asked me for zero dollars and i and you know people some people did not like it they didn't like it some people didn't like some people like it but it's fine you know to me it's fine it's just funny the idea of what a mess a lot of the people are in this country that we're asking for money i know that makes me laugh the idea that they're

like i'm just describing this crazy scene and then the guy and then they're like wait do you you know i mean it's just funny to me it's just funny to me the idea that it's like this you gotta get you know these people so important it's absolutely more important it's more important than your own children like yeah so that was kind of you've never been to russia right i've never been i tried to go we went on a tour we were in finland which is close very right there border and i was standing in my hotel lobby going i want to go to saint petersburg for dinner the woman's like we're a nato country i go great i would really like to go i said i'll fly private i'll pay she goes no no you can't go to russia so and then i think one of your buddies texted me one of your guys said that uh because i asked i said how

do i get in because you have to go through a non-nato country you gotta go through whatever turkey or serbia and i was like oh that's a whole thing so but i wanted to go i wanted to go to dinner it's a great restaurant i want to go to are you gonna go i would love to go yeah i mean i i've never um i've never been but i like it you know it's there's tons of beautiful architecture and you know amazing great restaurant texture yeah i want to go back you should come let's go i'm i'm into it i'm in would your agent drop you if you went no you sure no i don't think so he might book me in russia no my agents's a real money grubbing monster really he's a real monster if you said to your i might be in latvia on a corner like this but

with a microphone but yeah what was i just so your agent has never like had moral qualms with anything you do my agent wouldn't know what a moral qualm was if you took out a dictionary and explained it to him he's a good guy he um you know i'm would it be his favorite thing that i was in russia perhaps not but he wouldn't drop me is there anything you could do that would make him drop you sure absolutely um you know i mean i think they drop you for all kinds of reasons but i don't know i i would say the most dangerous thing for me to do that would get my agency to drop me would be to like like assert my humanity i am not an animal i am a man yeah that would be tough i think that would be last question do you um so of all the comedians working today, the top ones, what percentage of those are

saying exactly what they really think? Most of them. And I think that the really good ones are funny. And I think the most important thing is to be funny. And then, you know, a lot of times that is, comes from a place of saying what you feel. Yeah. And sometimes it comes from a place of, of you feel yeah and sometimes it comes from a place of of creating great characters and it can come from many different places but certainly if you

know you say what you want and you take ownership of it and you say it in a way that people find funny or interesting that's the job that's the only job that's why it's a great job is because it's really like the second oldest job. And the oldest job, I don't think I'd be great at. I certainly wouldn't command the prices I do in the second oldest job, which is being kind of a town crier. Just, yeah, it's all we do is, you know, we're standing in the town square and going, hey, what's going on? You know, and so I think a lot of them are saying, well, and I think that that's going to be the major shift i think people that's what people are connecting to and i think it's just interesting like the guys who dominated the business 10 years ago not all but many seem to

be in terminal decline and those yeah some of them seem like people who are sort of reading a script or or who approach their job with a lot of things they were not allowed to say well i think it's the the the the the the platforms change the you know what was tv is now the internet yes what was film is now all digital for the most part there are films and everything um and the platforms the internet has a lot more freedom there are a lot of restrictions and there are all kinds of restrictions and there are all kinds of profit models and you know monetization issues with all kinds of sites and whatever but in if you look at it overall there's a lot more freedom on the internet than there is in a corporate advertiser supported network so the freedom to say things now has increased

um and i think a lot of the people that existed 10 years ago weren't part of that system so maybe if they were maybe they would have had you know maybe they would have felt more comfortable i think they just came up at a time when there were censors and everything you said had to go through standards and practices and sales and advertising and you know you you had to have all these and you can still do really funny great stuff with all that but on the internet it's kind of the wild west so you have more freedom now than you did it feels like a lot of freedom it feels like people are saying kind of exactly what they think right now i think so i think so how long can that continue i mean that's a threat i think it's also we all feel not to be cryptic but i do feel like not that we're you know i don't want to do the whole like

we're living in our last days thing but it does feel like times are too uh like i feel like we you know things are getting hot all over the world yes and i think people realize the value now of being just let's get out with it it's like when people when they're dying they just kind of say what they need to say i think as our society is dying a little bit people are saying what they need to say i think the time for politeness has gone out the window and niceties and i think people are kind of embracing just the truth of what they have to say because we are living you know in times that are that are certainly you know wild and perilous and you know you're looking at russia and china and all they

think north korea and you're looking at problems in your own country like fentanyl this that the other thing and it's like you know the idyllic idea of america has kind of been shattered and i think a lot of people are picking up the pieces of that and they're like listen if i'm going to live in this country and i'm going to exist in this time i'm going to speak and say what i want are we going to look back in five years and see this as like this sort of brief renaissance of free speech before the onslaught of totalitarianism well hopefully not does it yeah i mean it does seem all of a sudden like out of nowhere and even in the past two months yeah that there is for actual free speech yeah i don't i don't think i hope that that isn't

the case i don't know i don't have a crystal ball. But how can you continue to run this country in the way that you are if you're the people who are running it and allow people to criticize you this precisely? You have to make it financially beneficial. I mean, I think that's the whole thing, right? they are going to co-opt the methods of distribution to a degree that you know if we call them pedophiles they'll make money from it wow is that dark that's like they're not going to get called pedophiles for free that's the darkest thing i've ever heard so they're not going to shut down the speech they're just going to monetize it. Monetize the attacks on themselves.

It seems to be a happy medium. I'm going to stop there to give myself time to think about what you just said. Thank you very much for having me, by the way. And thank you for dinner and everything. I really appreciate it. I know you hate compliments, but that was, that was, there was some profound. Well, well, that's good. Well, thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much, Tim Dillon. Appreciate it. I know you hate compliments, but that was, that was, there was some profound. Well, well, that's good. Well, thank you.

Thank you. Thank you so much, Tim Dillon. Appreciate it. Thank you, buddy. Thanks for listening to Tucker Carlson Show. If you enjoyed it, you can go to TuckerCarlson.com to see everything that we have made. The complete library. TuckerCarlson.com.