The Tucker Carlson Show - Tucker and MTG on the 5 Pillars of MAGA and the Snakes in Washington Trying to Tear Them Down

Episode Date: October 23, 2025

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So there's this scene in animal farm. It's the last scene in the novel, the famous George Orwell novel, the one less referred to the 1984, but in some ways a lot better. And there's this scene where the pigs and the men are playing cards at a table. Now, for the course of the novel, the pigs are leading the animals, the animals of the farm, in rebellion against the men, whose cruel and capricious and greedy leadership has kind of wrecked the farm. and they've risen up collectively to take back what's theirs, the means of production, and they're going to distribute the fruits equally, and everything is going to be fair, equitable, and things are going to be great. And the pigs naturally rise to the top of the hierarchy because they're the smartest and following them or the kind of stalwart horses and the sweet-tempered, trusting cattle, et cetera, all the way on down the chain.

And so it's left to the pigs to negotiate with the men, the former farm owners. And of course, they hate the men, right? the declared enemy of the men, and in the final scene, the other animals are gathered outside the house, nose is pressed against the glass, and the pigs are sitting basically partying with the men. And for a moment, they become indistinguishable. You can't tell the pig from the man they've melded into one. In other words, the movement the pigs led has been completely corrupted and become the mirror image of what it purported to be. And the reason, this of course, was describing the Soviet leadership, which overthrew an aristocracy only to install its own even more tyrannical

version, genocidal version. But it really describes almost all human organizations, which unless you're careful and thoughtful and get into the consistent habit of restating your principles out loud, most human organizations wind up resembling just organically over time whatever force they were created to fight against. They become inversions of the themselves, mirror images of what they were intended to be. This is just the way things are. It certainly happened to the Democratic Party, by the way, in our lifetimes. I mean, 40 years ago, the Democratic Party was the party of what? Peace and human rights and against big business. And since the Clinton years, of course, it has been the opposite of those things. The Democratic Party has been the defender of oligarchy and the main driver of war.

and of course the sort of great proponents of censorship and the opponent of human rights. My body, my choice, they say, is they force you to take the COVID-vax. And this has been noted quite a bit. It was a pretty good book written about it several years ago, I would say, called Ship of Fools. Sorry.

But this can happen not just to the Democratic Party and the Communist Party, the Bolshevik Party of 1917. It could happen to really any party, including the Republican Party, including the party of MAGA. hasn't happened necessarily, but there are people who would like it to happen. And so without attacking them personally, and with the sincere belief that they're acting out of their own interests and their own beliefs and trying to subvert a movement that they did not create and nothing to do with, but they're doing it for reasons that they think are valid, you know,

with taking out the possibility that they're just evil, trying to destroy something, giving them every benefit of every doubt, there are some pretty highly aggressive people in Washington, D.C., who are trying to turn the MAGA movement into the opposite of what it was created to be, the opposite of what voters hoped it would be when they voted for it, what tens of millions of Americans believed it was. And so before that happens completely and before we forget what MAGA once was, it's probably worth stating in very clear terms what it is. What is MAGA? Well, MAGA, of course, means make America great again. It's an acronym, but what does that mean exactly? We don't have to guess because Donald Trump for 10 years, 10 full years, 2015 to 2025 has been articulating again and again and again a remarkable level of repetition, actually, five consistent themes about what this is. What is MAGA? So let's go through and name and explain the five pillars of MAGA. There's not exactly the Bill of Rights, but in political terms, it's meaningful.

These are the founding principles of the governing political coalition that runs the United States right now. And they are too rarely articulated. So let's do that. Let's start with number one. What is the first pillar of MAGA? Well, of course, it's America First. Here's Donald Trump before he got the nomination for president, and I think in the spring of 2016, explaining what America first means. Here he is. My foreign policy will always put the interests of the American people and American security above all less. Has to be first. Has to be. That will be the foundation of every single decision that I will make. America... America first will be the major and overriding theme of my administration.

April 27th, 2016, at the time Donald Trump had been elected to nothing. He'd not even officially secured the nomination. Ted Cruz was still running against him until the Indiana primary the next month. He was still just a candidate, totally unproven. But the central theme of the next 10 years of his political life and of the country's political life is right there in that clip, America First. The purpose and duty of the American government is to represent the United States of America. Another way to put it would be the duty of the U.S. government is to make good on the core promise of democracy,

which is that the country operates on behalf of its owners, the citizens of that country. It would seem very obvious. Of course, Trump was attacked for it immediately. He was called an anti-Semite. You may not remember this, but he was because he used to phrase that Charles Lindberg, who was, by the way, not an anti-Semite, but who did oppose American. entry into World War II, along with tens of millions of other Americans, used very often. The America First Movement was the American Movement of the late 1930s, early 1940s, pushing the Roosevelt administration away from joining a war in Europe.

It doesn't mean they were pro-Nazi, many of them were very anti-Nazi, but they didn't think the United States had a role in that war, and they said it. And probably the most famous living American at the time, Charles Lindberg, who in 1927, flew across the Atlantic Ocean solo, truly a hero. was the leader of this movement. And of course, history being what it is, rewritten by the victors, he has been slandered ever since

as some sort of hater or pro-Hittler anti-Syman or something. He was none of the above. But the point is, when Trump used the phrase America first, he was attacked as some sort of deviant, moral deviant. But the idea itself was so self-evidently true,

like obvious. that for a lot of people, even non-Republicans, a light bulb went off. Wait a second. You mean the government doesn't operate on that principle? We always assumed that our government, which we pay for, which does everything it does in our name, the country that we were born in, that our ancestors built, we assumed they were always acting on our behalf, that every decision was made through the lens, is this good for the United States or not? And it took Donald Trump's entry from real state into politics in 2015 to awaken the rest of the country that actually know many decisions some of the biggest decisions the U.S. government makes have no reference point at all in American

interest. They just don't care whether it's good for the United States. Well, that's not only inherently anti-democratic, it's illegitimate. That's not a legitimate government. If you have a Democratic Republic whose government is not acting on behalf of the citizens, you don't have a legitimate government. That's grounds for overthrowing the government, actually. So people were shocked by this and Trump was attacked, but of course you know the rest. He went on to win the nomination and the presidency that year really on the basis of that idea. America first. You can have only one true allegiance and it needs to be to the United States. You can't have dual citizenship because you can't have dual loyalty in the same way that polygamy for whatever its benefits doesn't work

very well in the long run because you can't be truly loyal to two wives. Sorry. And you can't be truly loyal to two countries because sometimes their interests intersect, but very often they diverge. And you have to pick one because there's a fork in the road and you can only take one path. And it has to be the path that serves the country that you live in. And that's the United States of America, America first. So that's the first principle of MAGA. And every decision, that this ruling coalition makes has to be made through the lens of America First, period. But there are four remaining pillars that derive from the first. So is America first?

The second point that Trump made again and again and again and rode to the presidency that year, and once again in 2024, is that the country has to control its borders. If you do not control your borders, you are not a country because a nation state is a physical place identifiable on a map. It has borders. There's a difference between 10 feet on this side and 10 feet on the other side. A totally different set of laws, often customs, language. One's this country.

The other is that country. You can't have a global country. It doesn't work. And it's inherently tyrannical. And Trump made that point again and again by saying, famously, build that wall. Here he is. We're going to have strong, incredible borders. And people are going to come into our country, but they're going to come into our country legally.

They're going to come in legally. We're going to build a wall. It's going to be built. We're going to build a wall. That was almost 10 years ago. The wall has not been built, despite what you may hear. There is not a wall spanning the U.S.-Mexico border. There are portions of wall, but for a bunch of different reasons, it has not been built.

And that is a measure of several things. But one of them is the resistance to that idea in Washington. It turns out, and we learned this during that campaign, the Republican Party didn't want to build a wall, actually. That's why they'd never tried. And they didn't want to build a wall because they didn't want distinct borders. And they didn't want distinct borders because they weren't nationalist. They were globalists. So by saying that, Trump didn't actually end up building the wall, but he did end up revealing the nature of the people running the country, which is completely deceptive and rotten.

They were deceptive and rotten, and they were busted being that way. And to this day, they've resisted actual border control. And to this day, they're digging in their heels on deportation. And to this day, they're denying that the native population, the American-born population, is being replaced. But it is. And that's not a conspiracy theory. It's hardly hate to note what the numbers are. But the numbers show very clearly that people who are born in this country and whose parents and grandparents were born in this country are soon going to be a minority.

They're being replaced by people from other countries. It's just a fact. It's not a great replacement theory. It's a great replacement reality measurable through census numbers. And the resistance of both parties to acknowledging that simple mathematical fact tells you everything about their intent, which is highly sinister. They want it. And a lot of those people are Republicans.

They've disliked Trump from day one for pushing for this. They dislike him now. But we know that because he said it. He articulated the truth out loud, and that illuminated the positions of everyone else in the room. And for that, the rest of us should be forever grateful. But that's pillar too. You have to have real borders, and the people who live in the country have a moral and legal right to choose who else joins them. In the same way that a homeowner has a right to decide who sleeps in his house, because it's his house.

This is a foundational right. If it's our country, we determine who lives next door to us. is not we don't it's literally that simple so america first the country must have secure borders those are the first two the third pillar of maga and this is something that president trump now president trump then candidate trump articulated from the very first days of his campaign is that the war on terror and all pointless wars wars that do not serve america's direct national interest in other words wars that are not wars of self-defense wars that are not repelling and evasion are pointless. And worse than pointless, they are bad for the United States. They are corrosive

of our social order. They completely overturn our society on some hard to measure, but yet obvious over time level. They're incredibly expensive. And by the way, they kill Americans and a lot of other people. They're bad. And they're almost never waged in an effort to serve our interest, but instead to serve the interests of other countries. He said that for the very first time in the February, I think, 2016 GOP primary debate in Greenville, South Carolina, when he said right to the face of former President Bush's brother, Jeb, the Iraq war was a disaster. And at the time, that was considered so shocking that people couldn't even believe he said it. In fact, at Foxway, I then work, one of our most brilliant analysts said, you know, he made a huge mistake. Because South Carolina,

checking the briefing book, South Carolina is the highest proportion of military veterans of any of the states. And of course, naturally, they love the wars in Afghanistan. in Iraq. People still talk like this in 2016. Thanks to Trump, they no longer do. They've been exposed as dummies and liars. No matter what the briefing book says, the opposite turned out to be true, which is that people who had wasted years of their lives and lost friends and developed all kinds of psychological and physical damage from these wars and were at the very least apart from their families for years at a time, these were the people most likely to be opposed to more pointless wars. But Trump kept up this theme, and in some ways it was the most

controversial thing he ever said then or now no more wars here's donald trump making the exact same point much more recently we are never going back to a party that wants to give unlimited money to fight foreign wars that are endless wars that are stupid i was the only president in modern history who did not have any new wars no new wars i finished some old ones I'll be stopping the slide into costly and never-ending wars. We've got to stop it. Can't keep spending hundreds of billions of dollars protecting people that don't even like us. We can't keep spending tens of billions of dollars to protect people who don't even like us.

I will stop this. That was one of the most popular things Trump said in 2016, up until that was March of 2003 at CPAC up until recently. Every time Trump says that, including in the UN speech, not that long ago, he gets wild applause from his own voters. If there is one theme, if you were to survey 100 people who voted for Donald Trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024, why did you vote for him? You would find an overwhelming majority voted for him, in part because they don't want more pointless wars, because since 2001, we've had an endless succession of them, and we haven't won a single one. Not a single one.

And every single one of them has weakened the United States in measurable ways and hurt Americans deeply in measurable ways. One of the reasons we have an opioid crisis is because of those wars. And not a single one of those wars was waged on behalf of the United States or its interests. Every single one of them was waged on behalf of our so-called allies or some stupid idea about turning the Middle East into Western Europe or something, even as Western Europe itself descended to a level that's below the Middle East. which it is right now. People feel deep and justified resentment about that. Donald Trump harnessed that and articulated it, and he was the only one to do it.

That clip you just saw from CPAC in 2023, when he said that, the most popular Republican candidate at the Wall Street Journal and the New York Post and Fox News and among all the donors in the Republican Party was not Donald Trump at all. In fact, he was fighting to stay out of jail when he said that. He was considered a has-been.

It was going to be Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida, who was a pretty effective governor of Florida and a much admired governor of Florida. But during that campaign, we also found out that he was just a tool of his donors and a screaming low IQ neocon. It was Ron DeSantis, or it was Nikki Haley, who was busy telling us that we need Israel more than Israel needs us and other things that were so nonsensical and insane that no one dared ask her to explain them. Those were the favorites, the anti-Trumps, the candidates who are going to undo the damage that Trump had done to our sacred alliances with NATO and other countries we have literally nothing to do with and almost no common interest

with, but to whom we spend, send billions and billions and billions, tens, hundreds over the years of billions of dollars to do what? To bring gay rights to Withalania or something? It's not even clear. But a lot of people in Washington are getting rich from these multinational organizations. these peacekeeping organizations and a lot of highly ideological foreign policy establishment figures who do not have America's interests first in mind and never have use those wars for their own ends which again are not related to America's interests on any level in fact run directly

contrary to America's interest hurt America and so at the moment when Trump was about to go to jail it look like. And fighting against what seemed like a wave of donor investment in Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis, he comes out and says, no, I'm the opposite. No more wars. And guess what happened? He won the nomination and he won the presidency again. So anyone who would say, well, that wasn't an important part of his platform. That's not actually a pillar. Right. This just happened. We remember it and it's on tape. No more war. Wars, Pillar 3. Pillar 4. How about some real jobs? Donald Trump from day one, 2015, the famous escalator ride, in fact, going back 40 years in his CNN appearances,

for example, Larry King, or his work on ABC, would almost always make the same point in various ways, but it was the same point, which was globalization shortchanges America. It helps bankers. It helps the finance class quite a bit. Once you financialize things in a globalized economy, money moves much more easily. There's much less friction. And a small number of people get very, very rich. But the country itself becomes a husk.

It becomes hollowed out. There's nothing for people to do. And a country that doesn't make anything is not a real country. Everyone sort of knows this intuitively, but libertarian economists basically doing the bidding of the finance class have for the past 40 years told us, no, no, no, it's totally fine. because it hikes GDP. Oh, GDP. As if GDP is the only or even the best a measure of the health of an economy

or the health of a nation or the health of its people. And of course, that's ridiculous. GDP is the measure of all economic activity. What does that mean? What does that mean? Well, not much, actually. A country that doesn't make anything, a country that has, say, six thriving cities

and the rest of the continent falling into poverty is not a thriving country, it's a dying country. And Donald Trump has made that point consistently for 40 years. Bring back real jobs. Finance is not enough. Here's one among a thousand examples of him saying that. Our politicians have aggressively pursued a policy of globalization, moving our jobs, our wealth,

and our factories to Mexico and overseas. Globalization has made the financial elite who donate to politicians very, very wealthy. But it's left millions of our workers with nothing but poverty and heartache. Every word of that is true. And if you don't believe it, drive from Los Angeles to New York City, if you dare, stop along the way, stay in local hotels, motels, and ask yourself, what is this? Is this the country I remember? No. This is a poor country in many places, especially outside the cities, and some of our cities are becoming really poor, including Los Angeles, our second

biggest city. So there's a crisis, and it is primarily an economic crisis, and its downstream effects are countless, and they include all kinds of social crises. But at the heart of this is an economy that has been completely hollowed out by finance. And it's not actually the Chinese who did this. It's Americans who did this, actually. The Chinese never invaded this country and stole our manufacturing jobs. They didn't occupy our factories. They didn't force, you know, 10 more to make its washing machines in Wuhan.

No. American companies were sold piecemeal to the Chinese for the profit of the people who owned those companies or who were financing, who owned the debt on those companies, et cetera, et cetera. That's just true. And Trump has said that again and again and again, and he got elected president on it. So that is the fourth pillar of MAGA. Bring back a real economy. Globalization is not working for the United States at all. most Americans agree with that that's why Trump got the majority of the popular vote and the fifth pillar of maga is very simple free speech it's our birthright it's the first right enumerated in the

bill of rights it was given to us by god the purpose of having the u.s government is to protect that right among several others but that is the most basic human right that is a difference between slavery and freedom can you say what you actually think now censorship is an is an ongoing threat in every society at every time in history, the powerful do not want the people over whom they rule to complain about the way they're ruling or complain about their behavior or in our case complain about their looting. And so they devise all kinds of schemes, sometimes dressed up as religious precepts. That's a blasphemy. You can't say that. In our secular age, those same attempts have been dressed up as sensitivity. Oh, you're being

mean to black people. You can't say that about the LGBT community. Oh, that's anti-Semitic. Whatever it is. Those demands for censorship have been couched as a way to protect marginalized groups, but they remain what they've always been, an attempt to keep less powerful people from criticizing the most powerful people. That's exactly what they are. Their attempts at censorship, always. Donald Trump, in his relentless attacks on quote, woke culture, has been the most effective articulator of this in American politics in a generation, a century, maybe ever. Donald Trump has stood up against censorship, whether he knew he was doing it or not,

from the very first day by saying things you weren't allowed to say and then not apologizing for them, broadening the boundaries of acceptable discourse in public, taking the flack for, you know, broadening the famous Overton window again and again and again. here's just one example from the last campaign of Trump explaining why wokeness is really just an attempt to make you shut up Americans are exhausted trying to keep up with the latest list of approved words and phrases and the ever more restrictive political decrees many things have a different name now and the rules are constantly changing the goal of cancel culture is to make decent

Americans live in fear of being fired expelled shamed humiliated and driven from society as we know it the far left wants to coerce you into saying what you know to be false and scare you out of saying what you know to be true exactly very nicely put of course from his acceptance speech last summer in milwaukee when he got the republican nomination for president cancel culture is a synonym for censorship the effect to coerce people into repeating slogans they know are not true and not stating the obvious the true things out loud that is censorship And Donald Trump took a public stand against it again and again and again and led by example on this question again and again and again. That is the fifth pillar of MAGA.

So to restate, there are five components of the MAGA movement, ideological components, pillars, and they are America first, the belief, the guiding principle above all others that every decision the U.S. government makes ought to be to the benefit of the United States. Two, a country has to have borders the people who live in a country, decide who lives here. no one else decides. The people of the country should be in charge of who their neighbors are because they own the country. Number three, no more pointless wars. We've done it. It hasn't worked. This country has not actually won a war decisively since 1945, and we did that with the help of Joseph Stalin. So let's get real. This hasn't worked, and we haven't done it for ourselves. We've done it for others through lobbying campaigns, pressure campaigns, and ideological nonsense that in retrospect looks completely absurd. And those those who fell for it are deeply ashamed

that we did because it was dumb then and even dumber now. Three, globalization has not worked for the United States. You can't have an economy based on real estate and finance. Sorry, maybe if you're Hong Kong or Singapore, but a continent-sized country needs to make things. Finance and real estate are not productive industries. One just keeps reselling a piece of ground. Maybe you improve it a little bit, but ultimately what have you created?

And the other basically just loans money and interest. Now, they probably have a place in a broader economy, but if your whole economy is just finance and real estate, your country's going to die, and ours is, to the benefit of a small number of people, but not to the benefit of the 350 million to live here. And five, pillar number five, free speech is, is the basis of America. That's the fundamental human right that this country exists to protect. And so any attempt to bridge it must be fought tooth and nail, period. So you would think that every Republican would agree with all of these.

In fact, you'd think every Democrat would. These are not controversial ideas. These are not, let's round our enemies up or something. Or like, these are not crazy. These are foundational American ideals. Trump has from day one been a moderate, actually. What's immoderate about those goals? nothing, except that they challenged the way that things were done.

And so if you look at it with clear eyes backward for the last 10 years, Donald Trump's real battle has not been against Democrats. It's been against Republicans. Donald Trump was not a Republican before he ran for president. He was a Democrat or an independent or a frequent talk show guest or a beauty pageant host or whatever, but he was not a Republican. And so his real battle was then and is now against the Republican Party. And the existence players in that party hated all five pillars, all five, because they were a direct challenge to their stewardship of the party and the country over decades. And by this point, the Republican Party had been so captured by special interest by donors

that they were committed to the opposite on all five, on all five. They were not acting. They didn't put the country's interests above all others in their decisions. making that's ridiculous. They did absolutely nothing, nothing to secure the border. And they still aren't. Ted Cruz, who's a big MAGA guy. Ted Cruz, of course, ran against Trump in 2016, but Ted Cruz was a sitting senator from Texas for the entire Biden administration, where they sent over 12 million people into his state illegally over the border. Now, if Ted Cruz had held like a press conference every week and said to the governor of his state,

Greg Abbott, I'm the senator from Texas. Our state's being invaded. It's an entry point for the country. This is destroying Texas and America. Mobilize the National Guard today and seal that border. And if that precipitates a conflict with the federal government, so be it. This is illegal. It's immoral and it's going to wreck this country. National Guard exists for a reason. Use it now. If he'd done that, that would have happened. But he didn't because he was busy serving his masters in another country, which is not our country. And that is true, not just of Ted Cruz, most kind of pathetic Craven example. But if so many Republican politicians, they didn't want closed borders, because their donors didn't want closed borders. Of course, they were all in on the

war on terror, and they refused even to look backwards and assess whether or not what they had advocated for had succeeded. They were all in on the Iraq war, like I was. But the difference is they refused to admit that they were wrong. And millions of people died as a result of that, of their being wrong. And our treasury was emptied. And the U.S. dollar are devalued completely to the point where gold is over 4,000 today. Why is that? Maybe because we spent like $6 trillion of the war on terror got nothing out of it. We sent pallets of cash to warlords in various countries. What do we get out of that? Nothing. We armed the Taliban. Would we get out of that? Nothing. The whole thing was insane. If you can't say that was bad. If you can't say

I'm sorry for supporting that, you're a deeply corrupt person. And Trump called them out and they hated him for it. As to globalization, they benefited from it. Of course, they're tools of the finance class. Of course, every one of them. They'd no real interest in ending that. And on free speech, perhaps most shamefully of all, the Republican Party's core institutions, its publications, National Review, New York Post, Fox News, whatever, it's think tanks, too many even to mention. All of them acted not as guardians of free speech, pushing the limits of acceptable discourse, encouraging people to open their minds and think creatively about what's best for the country. No. They acted as scolds, as crossing guards, forcing their fellow conservatives

to shut up and get back in lane. That's the whole career of William F. Buckley was telling fellow conservatives, that's not acceptable. They weren't for free speech. They were just the opposite. They were censors. And Trump exposed all of that. And they hated him for it. All of them. There are very few Republican office holders in 2016 or 2020 or 2024 or even right now in October of 2025 who sincerely like Trump. They hate Trump because he represents everything they're opposed to. They hate Trump, including people who work for Trump, hate Trump. And some of them set it out loud. Here's one of Trump's new best friends back in 2016 explaining how much he hates Donald Trump. At some point, you've got to stand up to it. I do not like bullies and I never have.

so I will not be voting for Donald Trump and he can thank Roger Stone and if they piss me off one more time I'm going to urge millions of millions of you should he get the nomination not to vote for him either I'm very serious about this Mark Levin is very serious about this

so why was Mark Levin mad why was he so mad I was Bill Crystal so mad they're both kind of for Trump actually I remember very well I knew them and a lot of other people in Washington, very much like them. Why were they so mad at Trump? Well, that was early April of 2016.

That was a few weeks after Trump announced at that earlier referenced primary debate in South Carolina that the Iraq war was a mistake. Whoa, that was too far. Because any politician who will acknowledge that the Iraq war was a mistake probably won't get on board with the future Iraq war. And that's all they cared about was more Iraq. wars, waged on behalf of another country, its interest, not ours, irrelevant the damage to the United States, irrelevant the cost, irrelevant the death toll. They wanted politicians who

would do that again. And anyone who called it a mistake probably wouldn't. And so it's just worth remembering that some of Donald Trump's staunches allies, the ones always telling you, lecturing you about MAGA and telling you who's in, who's out, you're not MAGA, you're not MAGA. those very same people disagree with every single one of Donald Trump's five stated rationales for running, and much more important than that, all five reasons that tens of millions of Americans voted for him. They don't just disagree with Trump. They disagree with the bulk of the country who want these things badly. And those people are now telling you, oh, you're not MAGA. This is the pigs and the men becoming indistinguishable in the final scene of animal farm.

And again, it's organic. This happens to all institutions. It will happen unless someone stops it, unless there is a clear and persistent and repeated articulation of what we're doing here. What is this about? Is it about one guy? No, it's not. Sorry. It's not about one guy, a guy to whom most of us will always be grateful for articulating vitally important principles out loud, being the first one in my lifetime to do so.

God bless you for doing that. but it's bigger than any person it's about the survival of the country and it's about these five facts these principles, these pillars that's what MAGA is and so you can measure anybody who claims to lead the movement

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and by the end of Trump's first term was so inspired by Donald Trump and what he was saying, that she ran for Congress. And she, unlike most of her colleagues in that body, actually meant it. And because they could smell that she meant it, because sincerity is by far the most dangerous quality in Washington, someone who really means it is an actual threat. Thomas Massey isn't a threat because he won't accept APAC money. Thomas Massey is a threat because he won't accept

APAC money on principle not because he hates Jews or hates Israel he doesn't but because he doesn't think American politicians should be bought by foreign countries that's against his principles and because he really means it he can't be bought so of course he must be destroyed and now Marjorie Taylor Green who of all 535 members of the

435 members of House representatives embodies most purely those principles and she has cleave to those principles she has stuck to them through the years and for that is now being written out of the movement by Maga Stalwarts

like Ted Cruz and Lindsay Graham and Mark Levin none of whom agree with a single word Trump says and all of whom hate him so we thought it would be interesting to talk to her and ask will it succeed will you be kicked out of the movement that you are a core part of

I don't know let's ask her congressman Marjorie Taylor Green of Georgia joins us now hi tucker congressman thanks so much for doing this so i keep reading that you are not representative of america and i that's why i want to have this conversation because i just want to get on tape before wikipedia erases the past completely and we have no reference points that you are not a late comer to the trump phenomenon correct oh no i've been i've been on the trump train since

2015, back when I was just a regular person, didn't even have an idea about running for Congress. As a matter of fact, you laid out those five pillars, and I was listening to these clips of Donald Trump, and I'm like, oh my gosh, I love that man. And those are all the reasons I supported him from the very beginning when he stood on that stage among 17 Republican presidential candidates, and the rest of him, I thought, were slimy politicians, but Donald Trump spoke the language that I understood, and he was the one that made sense to me. You know that Trump is really hated by your colleagues and by almost every single person

in Washington. Not every single. There are people at the White House who sincerely love Trump. I know that to be true. But the overwhelming majority of Republicans in Washington secretly hate Trump, and they're too afraid of him to say so, but they hate him. Lindsay Graham, obviously Ted Cruz really hates him. Mark Levin openly hates him.

But they hate them because they don't agree. And you know that because in the last 10 years, there has been, other than you and Massey and a few others, there have been almost no elected officials in Washington to articulate what exactly MAGA is about. Have you noticed that? That's absolutely correct. 1,000% MAGA, let's take that acronym. There's only one country in MAGA and it's America. And I can tell you right now, I want to expand on how much. Republicans hate Donald Trump. I became a member of Congress in January of 2021. I had only been

sworn in for three full days when January 6th happened. And I can tell you firsthand, every single Republican there in Congress literally, literally turned their back on Donald Trump after January 6th. And he didn't even do it. He had nothing to do with what happened that day. He didn't cause it. It was, you know, it was a fedsurrection. Antifa was involved. And then many of these poor people got swept up and went into the Capitol. And it was myself, Matt Gates, and a few others. We were the only ones that stayed, you know, said that he's our president. He is, he's the leader of the Republican Party. The American people will not abandon him. I did not abandon him. As a matter of fact, I fought my own Republican colleagues for years.

literally years until he finally won the primary in 2024. That was when they begrudgingly, literally begrudgingly, started saying, okay, I support Donald Trump, he's our nominee, and they still hated him. They absolutely hated him. I can remember Mike Lawler coming up and saying, you know, he hated, he hated Donald Trump openly. Used to make fun of him all the time. And then all of a sudden, after Donald Trump won in 20, 24, he finally decided it was time to put on a MAGA hat. It just made me sick. But these people are so fake. The only reason that they kiss up to Donald Trump, our president, the only reason they kiss up to him is because they're terrified of a true social post, because they're terrified of their own constituents that fully support a MAGA, that fully support America first and fully support everything that Donald Trump has laid out now for years and years. And, you know, America.

Americans got to the point where electing Donald Trump was a referendum on the Republican Party, and I very much feel that because many times I hate my own party and I blame Republicans for many of the problems that we have today. And I blame them for being so America last to the point where they are literally slaves to all the big industries in Washington, the military industrial complex, big pharma, health insurance industries, you name it. They are literally slaves to them and they love the foreign war so much. But Donald Trump was a referendum to the Republican Party on behalf of the American people, the forgotten man and woman of America that were just so sick of Washington, D.C. And that's how that was me. Absolutely. That has been me the

entire time. That's me today, literally serving as a member of Congress. And that's why people see me push back on my own party well they've been pushing back on you since the second you get there you got there i mean you didn't they wouldn't give you committee assignments because they could smell in you in corruptibility sincerity and and they they hated you for that they literally slandered you before you even arrived your own party i hate to bring up a sore subject but it was just the most interesting thing i think i've ever watched in washington and they turned it to be absolutely right you were incorruptible which is why you're here so What does it feel like to be the person who stood consistently with the series of principles,

these five principles, from 2016 to present, one of the only ones, to see people who hated Donald Trump, still hate Donald Trump, try to read you out of the movement and take it over? Oh, it's, you know, I can tell you, I feel great. I sleep perfect every single night. My voting record is a direct reflection of me standing. with those policies and never wavering or changing anything. When I go back home to my district, Tucker, which I've been here a lot because Mike Johnson won't bring us back to work.

But when I'm back in my district, I go to the grocery store, I get hugs, I get hellos, I go to restaurants, I get thank yous. And I go around as a normal person in my district and I really love it because I, these people know me and they know the hard work that I put in for them and they know I haven't changed one single bit. When I'm in Washington, D.C., it's a completely different matter. The Republicans that I work with, they know, they literally know that they are having to serve this agenda as long as the president is there in office. And they look at him like a speed bump. Many of them can't wait to get him out of the way. And so they can just go back to doing business as usual.

And I find that repulsive, absolutely repulsive. And here, I'll give you an example. So right now, Tucker, you know, a lot of people are happy about the government shut down. But I really have no respect for the House not being in session. And I have no respect for Speaker Johnson not calling us back to Washington because we should be passing bills. We should be passing bills that reflect the president's executive orders, which are exactly what we voted for. We should be at work on our committees. We should be doing investigations.

And you want to know something? We should be passing the discharge petition that Thomas Massey put in to release the Epstein files. Those are the things that we should be doing. And we, most of all, Tucker, we should be passing our appropriation bills to actually fund the government and fund important projects that taxpayer dollars, these people pay their taxes. This is how taxpayer dollars come back to your districts. We should be doing that, but no, we're not. And these are the things that this is why I have no respect so many times for our party

because they get on board and they campaign and they say America first and they try to utter and mimic these Donald Trump talking points. But when it actually comes to getting to work and delivering those talking points into action for the American people, the people that voted for them, the people that not doors for them, that the sweet little ladies that gave three dollars, crumpled up dollars out of their pocketbook, I mean, all these people that worked so hard to give us the majority, when it comes time to doing that, what are we doing? We're sitting at home. And that's something that grinds me. Absolutely grinds me. I have no respect for it. But when it comes to the Republican Party, you're exactly

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Rocketmoney.com slash Tucker. The radicalizing moment for me, I think, was in June with the utterly pointless bombing of Iran. thinking how many Americans have been killed by Haitians in the last 20 years versus how many have been killed by Iranians? I don't think in this country, I don't think we've been any Americans killed by Iranians. We've got a lot of Americans killed by Haitians, a lot. And yet Haitians get special protected status, but we're bombing Iran. And I just felt like that would be the kind of America first way to think about it. You know, let's create a hierarchy of threats. And let's just start with the death toll. And no Americans have been killed on American soil by Iran,

you know, in my memory. So I'm not saying Iran is great. I'm not endorsing Iran, but I'm saying from an American perspective, that's not even in the top 25 list of threats to us. So all these Republicans, I kind of expected to say, Mike Johnson is a completely corrupt person, but not Mike Johnson, but like people with souls in the legislative bodies, I expected someone to stand up and say that and they all went along with it and they cheered it like what was that they didn't mean anything they said exactly what honestly what was that i i i laughed so hard because i was like you know fox news and everyone tells me that hoothies are the most dangerous human beings on the planet and i literally can't find a single hoothie in my district i can't

find a local house can i just say we are now since we bomb the hoothies consistent with american history over the past 70 years, we're going to import a lot of hooties. Just if we've imported a ton of Afghans and Iraqis and, you know, every country we bomb then gets to move here under some special protective says, we're going to have a, we're going to have full hootie neighborhoods in North Georgia very soon. So get psyched for that. Okay. Well, that'll be the first time we see him and because I don't know what one looks like. I literally have no idea what a hootie looks like. I've, I've never been to Iran. I don't know why I have to hate them so much. But, you know, they've told me over and over again for 30 plus years

that they're going to have a nuclear weapon any moment now, and they're going to bomb America and bomb Israel. Still hasn't happened. I was, you know, another thing when we bombed Iran on behalf of Israel, by the way, it was pretty interesting to me that hell was not unleashed, like we were told it was going to be. And I didn't see hell be unleashed on Israel. as a matter of fact, the Iron Dome that America funds, it worked. And people in Israel were safe. And people in America were safe. We didn't see a single bomb fall on our heads, on our homes, on our neighborhoods. We didn't see anything happen here like that has happened to Gaza now for months and months and months. We didn't see children and toddlers being blown to pieces.

We didn't hear about these horror stories. We didn't witness. sit and feel it. But this is a lie that we are constantly told over and over and over again that we have to hate these people in the Middle East. We have to hate these foreign countries. We have to hate Russia because Hollywood tells us that Russia is the ultimate bad guy. And then we have to be told that we're going to go to war with Russia. Well, guess what? We've been at war with Russia through Ukraine for years now. And it's absurd. And then the really most disturbing one is ever since I've been a member of Congress, they've been telling me that we're going to go to war with China, which I find absolutely absurd. And I'm like, why are we going to war

with China? Is there any reason for us to go to war with China? But it's a really sick obsession, Tucker, that I think everyone is sick and tired of is the fact that American people work so hard and pay extremely high taxes for their tax dollars that have to constantly be used to sell weapons and deliver weapons and pay countries to kill people. And I can't understand that, and people are so sick and tired of it. And the veterans in my district are sick and tired of it. But for some reason, this is the continuation of what Washington, D.C. does. No matter who's in charge, Democrats or Republicans.

And that's why Donald Trump is absolutely 1,000% right in saying no more foreign war. wars, no more American tax dollars paying for this blood and murder industry. And that is one of the single reasons I think led to his first election and has led to his but we're at a pivot point where the people who cheered on the wars in, I mean, name the countries, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, against the Houthis, whoever they are, those people are poised to seem to be to take over the Republican Party. I mean, I thought the whole point of Trump's ascendance was to change the party to make it consistent with what Republican voters,

and not just Republican voters, lots of Democrats switched over to vote for Trump because they wanted those five pillars. And all of a sudden, the people who've, for generations, wrecked this country seem on the verge of stealing the MAGA copyright slapping it on their own polo shirts and running the Republican Party. I mean, how is this happening? I have no idea, but it's what they always do.

It's what they did in his first term. And now we're watching it unfold again and it is disgusting. And people are pissed. I'm talking about pissed. Everyone I'm talking to at home is going, hold on now. Why are we considered hateful and anti-Semitic

if we don't want to pay for Israel's wars constantly. That doesn't make us anti-Semitic and hateful. We want our money to stay here at home because you want to know something. People are hurting here at home. Oh, I know. Food prices are high, rent is high, home prices are ridiculously high, cars are high, auto insurance, home insurance, health insurance is insane. Energy prices are high.

I can tell you that in my own electric bills. They're much more expensive than they were even a year ago. The Democrats destroyed our economy, absolutely murdered us with high inflation and their absolute failures for four years. But here, now it should be the focus. The biggest focus from Republicans in Washington, D.C. and the Trump administration, the people that get to have these jobs, Tucker, because people like me worked my ass off and spent millions of dollars fighting to get dollars. Donald Trump elected, well, you know, those people that get to have their hoity-toity jobs in the White House, they should be grateful to people like me, not in Mark Levin and all these other people. They shouldn't be putting me down. I helped put that man there because I never

backed away from him and I never backed down and I believe in what he wants to do for this country. But what we have going on right now, I mean, seriously look at it. It's a revolving door at the White House, a revolving door of foreign leaders and prime ministers. and presidents, all with their hands out, demanding money and demanding attention and demanding America do this. I mean, let's take, for example, this $40 billion bailout for Argentina. That's probably one of the grossest things I've ever seen. And I have no idea who is telling our great president, our America first president, that this

is a good idea. Because it's honestly, it's a punch in the gut to all of our American cattle ranchers, and they are furious and rightfully so. And at the same time, I can't think of another country that's further away from the United States of America than Argentina's literally at the bottom of South America in the southern hemisphere, and we're all the way up here at the top. I don't know how that's America first. But the problem, Tucker, is it's Washington, D.C. is unchangeable, absolutely unchangeable.

And they have hijacked our movement, and they're taking it away from the campaign. promises of America first and turning in to everything that we hate. We hate globalism. We hate bailing out foreign countries. We hate foreign wars. We hate industries overseas. We want industries supported here at home. And you got people talking about it. People are not silent anymore. But unless somebody stands up and articulates what this was all about, it's not just about any one person, it's about a set of principles that will save the country, make America great again, then you will see the nature of the movement change completely. I mean, as I sit here right now, Laura Lumer is some kind of informal advisor to the defense department wandering around

the Pentagon, Laura Lumer, and you, meanwhile, the most consistent defender of these principles in the whole Congress, there's talk of funding a primary challenge to you to knock you out of your job? Like, what do you? How does that work? How does Laura Lumer get to be a Pentagon advisor, but you get primary? Like, what is, what is that? I don't know. I've never understood why anyone takes her serious. I mean, this is a woman that can't even legally buy a gun because she had such serious mental problems. She literally posted the other day that she blew blood vessels in her eye as she was hysterically tweeting, you know, like 40 or 50 times in one day. to a person like that like no one should and there's only one cares about and that's

Israel it's non-stop Israel non-stop and that seems to be the the overarching theme and you know look we always have to you know say our disclaimer this isn't about Jewish people this is about the government of Israel this is about their military and this is about them demanding non-stop demanding America pay attention to Israel do what Israel wants, fight Israel's wars, and pay for them. And if you don't, then we're going to come after anyone and everyone that gets in the way of that. And if you're wondering why people are talking about primaring me, well, it's because I don't take any money from APAC. I've called for APAC to be registered under FARA. I've introduced amendments to defund all of our American

tax dollars from going to Israel every single year, billions and billions of dollars every single year. But I've also done that for a slew of other countries. It's not just Israel. It's a whole bunch of other countries. Egypt, Ukraine, you name it. I'm just like enough of the foreign aid. But if you're willing to step out and you're actually to say, hey, we're not mega, we're MAGA. And there's a major difference there. Then there is a group of people that come at you with everything they have. And that's what they're doing. They've got bots attached to my account. that load my comment sections with ridiculous lies. They've got paid social media influencers that literally get paid by Israel or by Israel-aligned

donors to attack me constantly every single day. But let me tell you something, Tucker, people are too smart nowadays. And that's what's great. People have had it. And I think they learned a lot of lessons through COVID. They learned how to see through the lies and read through the propaganda. And there may be this little flurry of attack on me that exist on X, but out in the real world, that's not what I feel. And those are not the comments that I get.

And I think that's the case for me, not only me, but I also think that's the case for Thomas Massey. He has massive support in his district in Kentucky, even though it looks online like he is just the worst human being on the planet. but no it's it's just not the case so massey has um gotten in a fight like a personal fight with the president and unfortunately i think it has gotten personal i should say i don't agree with massy's more libertarian than i am but of all the members other than you of the congress that i know i know a lot of them he's the most principled he's also a thoroughly decent man like actually and his personal life if you and i know a lot about it is like one of the most impressed of things I've ever heard. He is self-reliant in the most American sense. This is a guy

who lives off-grid in a house he built himself, and every one of his votes is a voter and principal. So I don't know how you couldn't admire a guy like that. I get that he annoys the president personally, got it. But I don't think there are many people in the country who live out Donald Trump's own stated principles more precisely than Thomas Massey does. What the hell is going on that he is a target, but Lindsey Graham has an endorsement. And by the way, I just want to say clearly, I will do everything I possibly can to make sure Lindsey Graham is not reelected. Not because I like Lindsey Graham personally. It's a super charming, nice guy. But if Lindsey Graham continues to get elected, then the whole MAGA thing is totally fake. It's just fake. So, like,

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Love Thomas Massey. Yes. He's one of my favorite members of Congress that I work with. You know, and Thomas Massey isn't always a no vote. That's a lie that's been told about him. I personally worked with him on a very important bill that we passed a couple of years ago. and he and I voted on something that we swore we would never vote on

and that was to increase the debt ceiling but the only reason we gave our vote for that is because we traded it for something we wanted and we stuck together on it we wanted a 1% cut to the budget just 1% 1% and 1% is actually massive and this was Thomas Massey's plan he came up with it and so I partnered with him

and we went to leadership and we pushed it and we said, listen, okay, you can get our vote for the debt ceiling increase that you want that. We didn't want to do. We don't want to have anything to do with that. We're conservatives. But we will do it only if you promise to put in the bill a guaranteed 1% cut to the budget. And we were willing to do it. So we had a other group of really conservative Republicans that were like, yeah, we want to do that too. And so we did it. And guess what? That became law. It was a guaranteed 1% budget cut. And to me, someone that really cares about our national debt and the ridiculous amount of spending that happens in Congress year after year, I was like,

this is actually a victory. But what people need to understand is that's the perfect example of Thomas Massey and myself too and others, willing to work within the conference and willing to negotiate and willing to say, all right, I'll give you something you want, but you have to give me something that I want. And that's what he's capable of doing. And it was for the good, the good of the entire country. My God, a 1% cut in the budget that never, ever happens. But here they lie about it every day and they call him, oh, he's no on everything. And he won't vote for anything. And that's absolutely not true. And I am a witness, a literally a living, witness to watching Thomas Massey work diligently within our conference among Republicans and saying,

okay, I'll give you something you want if you give this to me. But it was so important. It wasn't for Thomas Massey. It's for my God, for our children and grandchildren to actually reduce the budget and work on this national debt. And these are the stories I could tell many of these about Thomas. One of my favorite, Tucker, my favorite story about Thomas is when he actually stood up to the president, and it's quite a story because President Trump was so angry at him, and so was most of the Republican conference. And this is a story that I watched unfold on television, not because I was there in person, because I wasn't. I wasn't a member of Congress yet, but I watched it as an American citizen. And at that time, I was like, Thomas Massey

is right. And it's when he forced Congress to go on record voting for the first gigantic. It was $5 trillion, basically a bailout when the country shut down during COVID. And they were going to let that bill pass $5 trillion of spending. It's really what started wrecking our economy with high inflation. But Thomas Massey would not allow that to be passed by voice because Congress constitutionally owes it to the American people to do these things right. And so he went to Washington and demanded a roll call vote on that particular bill. And that was the first major fight that President Trump and Thomas Massey had. But I'll tell you, if I had been in Congress then, I would have been right there with Thomas

because I fully agreed with him. Fully agreed with him. I was 100% at home. I was against the two weeks to slow the spread where they shut the country down. I was so angry about that. I've never been more angry in my life. And I was cheering Thomas Massey on at home saying, yes, at least there's one person in Washington willing to say this is crazy in trying to stop it, but at least getting a recorded vote from Congress. And so there's a lot of stories like that that unfortunately maybe people don't know about Thomas Massey, but they should, Tucker.

They absolutely should know those stories and I'll be happy to always tell them. Well, I think there's an important principle here. I mean, and I just want to say, again, I get why Trump is mad at Massey. And I'm sorry it's gotten personal and they're tweaking each other and all that stuff. But Thomas Massey, in the end, is one of the most powerful explainers of Trump's own ideas, of Trump's own platform of the reasons Trump himself got elected president twice. He is on the most basic bedrock level, one of Trump's truest allies. I know they're pissed at each other, but that's just true. And so you can't allow that guy to get knocked out.

And again, I get why they're annoyed with him. But you can't allow him to get primaried by three huge billionaire donors who are not conservative who believe in none of the five pillars of MAGA who've worked against them their entire lives. You can't allow that to happen because if you do, the nature of the movement of the coalition of the party itself will change forever. And anyone who stands up for the for the actual principles of MAGA will be destroyed. And that means it'll become what it was designed to replace, which is kind of Bill Buckley Republican Party, right? Right.

No, you're right. And those three billionaire donors don't even live in his state or his district. I don't think they all live in America, actually, but whatever, yeah, no. I don't think they do all live in America. But whatever, I don't know. I'm not at their houses for dinner. But so is Massey going to lose? is he going to come close to like what's going to happen i don't think so i i don't think so i

have to tell you i just there there was a sweet really sweet moment and i'm i'm glad i got to witness it was after thomas's wife ronda passed away and you remember that i remember her well yeah yes and uh oh my god thomas it was terrible he was completely wrecked totally wrecked as a as a human as a man. He just, it was one of the saddest things I've seen. And, um, you know, here's what's so special about Donald Trump. He called Thomas and they had a very nice phone call. And I was witness to that phone call. And, um, I can tell you that, that moved Thomas's heart. He was so grateful, literally so grateful when President Trump called him and expressed his

condolences and talk to him and they just shared something so so beautiful between human beings just talking about a time when a man is completely broken because he lost his wife and then President Trump did what he is so good at doing why we love him so much is he'll dive into a moment of brokenness for another person and that was that was so great and I tell you what if those two men If those two men actually could come together, our America First agenda would be unstoppable because Thomas Massey doesn't waver in Congress and Donald Trump never waivers in the Oval Office. And that would be something that I would love to see happen rather than these three big rich donors that hate Thomas Massey because he won't vote for funding to Israel instead of these three billionaire donors

trying to take him out and lie to his district. And why is a Republican attacking a Republican? None of this should be happening. If they came together, I think it'd be an unstoppable force. I agree. Because the choice is Thomas Massey, a man of principal, a patriot, a truly decent person, a self-reliant American of the kind we need more of, or the kind of people who have just no regard for the country at all, who just use it like.

a disposable product is don't care at all. And I would include, you know, Lindsay Graham and Ted Cruz and Mark Levin. You can't have them take over. So where does this go? Like, where is kind of the victory for the actual MAGA people here? Well, that's something that the – so this will work out the way that it should. The people will get to vote. And in his district, they'll get to decide.

are they going to be swayed by these millions and millions of dollars to put ads on television that lie about their representative that they've had for years? He's not new. He's been there for years. They know him very well. And they will actually get to decide if they want to keep them. And if they keep them, then that tells the political consultants that are just making money off of this whole thing. It'll basically be a big FU and screw you, you lost. And these billionaire donors, you don't get to buy a district. You don't get to tell a group of people that they can't have. They're representatives that they have voted for over and over again. By the way, in the high 70s and 80 percent, he has voted in. If that happens, then I will tell you, Tucker,

then our country is gone. If billionaire donors that literally put another country, foreign country before our own or able to buy a congressional seat, then the American people completely lose representation. And that's assuming they have it now. I mean, about 70%, 70%, and this is across both parties of members of Congress take APAC money. That's gone on for my whole life, as far as I know, but no one ever talked about it until this year.

And now people understand what that is if it's a foreign lobby. acting on behalf of a foreign government, and I just wonder, can that continue? Can people, I mean, like, will there be a town hall meeting with a member of Congress in the next year where that person isn't asked, like, why are you taking money from a foreign lobby? Oh, I think we're going to see that in this election cycle. It's already happening. I just saw that APAC is now trying to get donations to their politicians. They support through back channels, not directly coming from APEC so it doesn't show up on their FEC reports. That's a big deal because people have had it.

People are so sick of it. They don't want their elected leaders to be bought off for a foreign country, any foreign country, not just Israel, any foreign country. But they are so offended by APEC. And they're offended. You want to know why? They're offended because APEC doubles down. And they're offended because Mark Levin calls every single one an anti-Semmi.

in every single name that he can sputter out of his hateful little face as he is so angry because people aren't bowing down and blowing up all of Israel's enemies. And it's like, and it's when Ted Cruz is losing his mind because people like me and you are just simply wanting to do what's right for our country and for our kids and our American businesses and our American border and Ted Cruz can't take it. And it's like, that has gotten so in the face of just right in people's faces so hard that it's, the whole thing is breaking and falling apart. Like this, this train is left the station.

It's not coming back, especially with the younger generation. I know you talked to them. I guess that was yesterday. And I think you heard it firsthand. I hear it firsthand all the time. And it's even, it's not just the younger generation, though. It's, it's in the millennials. It's in Gen X, and it's even seeping into the boomers.

But the whole propaganda machine that has been spoon-fed to Christians, whether it's in the pews at church or Bible study, or coming through the television or through their politicians' mouths, that we have to do everything for Israel. That's the only way we're going to go to heaven. America will be cursed if we don't. That whole lie is breaking apart. And thank God it is, because I,

Christian, you as a Christian, we know there's only one way and is through Jesus Christ. He is our Savior. He died on a cross for us. He rose from the dead in three days. He is the one and only living son of God and he is seated at the right hand of the father. And he's going to come again one day to judge the living and the dead. And that is the way you go to heaven. And that is the truth. And that is the light. And that is the only way that we should think and believe. And it doesn't come to bowing down to Israel, the government of Israel, or the military of Israel, or any politician. And the shaming, the shaming that we have received and the shaming that carries on is actually what is destroying them, completely destroying them. It's destroying

not only them, it's destroying the social media influencers that are taking money, that it is destroying everyone that gets sucked into this great deception. And that's what it is, Tucker. it is a great deception, but thank God, people are waking up to it. Yeah, I know the Israel's foreign ministry has paid a lot of people to slander me as a bigot, but I just want to be clear that the people I'm most upset with are not Israelis or Jews. They're Christian ministers, self-described Christian ministers who are preaching heresy. That really offends me. I mean, I understand Israel as a country that's seeking every possible advantage.

It's a small country. It's nine million people. It's an irrelevant country, really. and it's made itself relevant through pluck and aggression and violence and lobbying. And, you know, I kind of respect that in a way. You know, they're making their way in the world. You know, they don't have a lot. And they're trying, you know, to leverage everything that they do have.

So I get it. I don't like it, but I get it. And I do respect it in some ways. But what I don't respect, what I'm horrified by is Christian ministers making excuses for the murder of Christians, or anyone else, actually, for that matter. Right. And they should know better. It is heresy. It's misleading a lot of the best people in the country.

A lot of the Christian Zionist evangelicals are like wonderful people, like wonderful people, like my favorite people, actually. And they've been completely brainwashed by this deception because their leaders are themselves brainwashed or paid or who knows what their motive is, but they're telling lies. And I really feel like they need to be called out above all else. I fully agree with you as a matter of fact I did a call last night with and there was many Christians that are from the West Bank and from Gaza on the call and they were being very honest about all the horrible things that they have been through themselves and people they know have been through and the abuse that they take from the IDF and the abuse that they constantly take and these are these are the the atrocities that Americans, especially American Christians, need to understand. And it's real. It is constantly happening. I've heard from so many Christians in the West Bank about how they are attacked constantly by settlers. I've heard stories about how their Christian churches are attacked. I've heard stories about how Christians there have been murdered. And if, you know,

we can put Hamas aside. If American Christians can't wake up to realize that, okay hold on we've been lied to and these these things are actually happening and they can't analyze it of why they're happening and who is actually doing it then they really are lost they really are blinded but these stories that that I'm hearing and being told over and over again it's not war propaganda and it is very very real and it's some of the worst things happening in our lifetime it's just like what's happening to Christians in Nigeria There's real Christian persecution, and it's happening in Gaza, and it's happening in the West Bank, and it cannot be ignored. And Christian pastors, most of all, should be the ones talking about it.

Of course. Not making excuses for Israel and demanding that the people in their pews donate their money and give their loyalty and give their obedience to the country that is inflicting these horrors on Christians. These Christian pastors should be the ones calling it out. Yeah. It's one of the most shameful things I've ever seen in my life. And it's one of the things that offends me more than anything. So I hope they repent because I think it's really, really dark what they're doing. Last question, and this is just kind of a measure of where the movement is, MAGA, where the Republican Party is going, where the nation is going. Ted Cruz is planning to run for president for the Republican nomination next, you know, in next cycle, next presidential cycle. Why? I mean, that's, look, I'm not, you're in politics. I'm not. I think Ted Cruz is a sat, you know, needs to work on some personal stuff. And it's one of the saddest people I've ever known. Well, and it's unimaginable to me that he would run for president. It seems like a joke. But he clearly believes it. Why does he believe he can get the Republican nomination? Do you think? And does he have a shot? Well, first of all, Ted Cruz is from Canada, not Texas. Thank you, Marjorie. It's a disqualifying thing right there, and I will never, ever let it go.

If he runs for president, I'll make sure I spend a lot of time making sure every American knows that he's from Canada and not from Texas. No, I'll tell you what's happening going forward. It is going to be, it's going to be serious. People are not going to accept the standard Republican. And people are watching everyone so close right now, and they're in it. They don't realize that they're under a magnifying glass. Not only Ted Cruz, I'll even go to someone I very much like J.D. Vance. He's under a magnifying glass, and I don't know if he realizes it or not.

I heard people talking about, why did he go to Israel this week? Why? Again, why is he over there? He should be here. So there's people watching every single thing that any potential presidential contender is doing right now and watching what they're saying. And America voted for America first and they meant it. And right now they're extremely angry. And I think that a lot of Republicans in Washington are so toned after this. They don't even get it. But many Americans that voted

for Republicans gave us the House majority, gave us the Senate majority and put our favorite president back into office, Donald Trump. They're mad. And they're really, really mad. They're they're stepping back, they're taking a hard look, and they're starting to be vocal about it. They are angry that everything costs so much. They're angry that Republicans refuse to gauge and get engaged and finally build the off ramp to get off of Obamacare that Democrats created 15 years ago. It's like, come on, solve the problem, finally, at least give a policy idea and do something about it.

But these Americans that voted for America first, they meant it. And here's the warning to Republicans, and I can't say this loud enough, people are going to sit it out. People are not going to show up and work for you and doork for you and vote for you and give you money and sit there and hand you the majority and hand you full control over this country. If you're not willing to actually deliver the agenda that the people demanded, that the people bought in, that the people are begging for, Screw the Democrats. They destroyed the country. Absolutely destroyed the country. We had Antifa, BLM riots in 2020. We had ridiculous spending. COVID lockdowns, forced masking, forced vaccines. They torched education by forcing kids to stay home. Weaponized governments against parents, against pro-lifers, against J-Sixers. This is what the people absolutely remember.

And so when they're looking forward to who they're voting for and who they're supporting, whether it's 2026 midterms or the 28 presidential race, these are the things people are thinking about. And they haven't forgotten and they want someone that they know and they can trust that is literally going to stick it out and finally deliver these things. Because right now they're mad about a $40 billion bailout to Argentina. They're really angry that our American cattle ranchers and beef ranchers are getting screwed, and Argentina beef is going to be sold into America. They're mad about a lot of things. They're really mad about a lot of things, and they're sick and tired of the foreign countries constantly on television every single day at the White House.

They don't want to see another foreign leader there. And I love Donald Trump, and I get to say these things because I love them so much, Tucker. I get to say these things, and I get to tell the truth, because when the MAGA train left the station, I was on it the entire time, and then when everybody bailed and jumped off on it, I got out and I helped push it up the fucking mountain, excuse my language, to get it to the top so that we could win and get there. And so I get to say when things are going sideways and when they're going wrong, I get to say these things. And that's because my job title is representative. That means I represent the people. And nobody. else and and you know what I don't give a shit about Mark Levin or Ted Cruz or whatever whoever or somebody named that has the name turd in their name or some Israeli spy named Laura Lumer I don't care about any of these people they

are irrelevant and mean nothing to me absolutely and you want to know something they are the last people that that Americans that worked hard are ever really going to trust and support. And so you ask me, and I'm giving you my honest answer. I should say, I think JD and his wife are over there trying to force Netanyahu to abide by the terms of the peace agreement. But I definitely agree that you see the stream of people going and wearing the outfit and getting their pictures taken at the wall and all that. And, you know, it does seem like a humiliation ritual. It is a humiliation ritual, obviously. um it's a dominance uh exercise and it's it's so humiliating to our our country i think that

that should stop do you think so have you taken this message to the white house i've taken it as loudly as i possibly can everywhere i'm i think the best thing for me to do is just to say it publicly that's the best thing to do is to say it publicly because everybody knows it everybody knows it and me of all people, I can tell you, Tucker, I want our team to be more successful than anyone. But I have a really hard time with my team standing on the sidelines, refusing to actually get in the damn game and play the game and deliver because I believe in offense. I do not believe in defense. And the most, the biggest thing that discussed me the most is actually sitting and out and

refusing to even get out there fucking play. Excuse my language, but I am so pissed off at Republicans right now. This country gave us a one-time chance. And I have given up a lot of great things in my life. And I see it right now is you get in there and you get it done. And I don't want to hear another damn excuse. If I have to watch another press conference with Mike Johnson up there bubbling around saying stupid political drama stuff. And then you have leader Thune up there pointing his finger at Chuck Schumer and Chuck Schumer's pointing it back at Thune. It's like, get the job done this is this is everyone's so sick of the drama it's so disgusting it's so retarded and everyone's over it so republicans need to get their shit together i can see why they're

afraid of you um and i can see why so many admire you definitely starting with me so marjorie taylor green of georgia bless you for what you said i know how much you mean it and thank you for explaining it so well great to see you thank you Tucker i appreciate Thank you. And we'll be back next Wednesday evening live at 6 p.m. Eastern. Thank you very much. We've got a new website we hope you will visit. It's called new commission now.com.

to a new 9-11 commission. So we spent months putting together our 9-11 documentary series. And if there's one thing we learned, it's that, in fact, there was foreknowledge of the attacks. People knew. The American public deserves to know. We're shocked, actually, to learn that, to have that confirmed, but it's true.

The evidence is overwhelming. The CIA, for example, knew the hijackers were here in the United States. They knew they were planning an act of terror. In his passport is a visa to go, United States or America. A foreign national was caught celebrating as the World Trade Center fell and later said he was in New York, quote, to document the event. How did you know there would be an event to document in the first place?

Because he had foreknowledge. And maybe most amazingly, somebody, an unknown investor, shorted American Airlines and United Airlines, the companies whose planes the attackers used on 9-11, as well as the banks that were inside the Twin Towers just before the attacks. They made money on the 9-11 attacks because, because they knew they were coming. Who did that? You have to look at the evidence.

The U.S. government learned the name of that investor, but never released it. Maybe there's an instant explanation for all this, but there isn't, actually. And by the way, it doesn't matter whether there is or not. The public deserved to know what the hell that was. How did people know ahead of time? Oh, I was no one ever punished for it. 9-11 commission, the original one, was a fraud. It was fake.

Its conclusions were written before the investigation. That's true, and it's outrageous. This country needs a new 9-11 commission, one that actually tells the truth that tries to get to the bottom of the story. We can't just move on like nothing happened. 9-11 commission is a couple. Something did happen.

We need to force a new investigation into 9-11 almost 25 years later. Sorry, justice demands it. And if you want that, go to new commission now.com to add your name to our petition. We're not getting paid for this, we're doing this because we really mean it. New commission now.com.