The Tucker Carlson Show - Tucker & Charlie Spiering React to the Al Smith Dinner, & Why Democrats Are Turning against Kamala

Episode Date: October 20, 2024

You think you dislike Kamala Harris? Not half as much as her fellow Democrats do. Charlie Spiering wrote the book on it. (00:00) Reacting to the Al Smith Dinner (04:48) Kamala’s Time in Canada, Her “Second Mother,” and Hinduism (12:51) Kamala’s Weaponization of the Me Too Movement (55:57) Kamala’s Father Denouncing Her (1:09:30) Kamala’s Extreme Unpopularity (1:17:57) Joe Biden Did Not Want Kamala to Be His Vice President (1:35:45) Kamala’s Interview with Brett Baier (1:43:02) Why Did Kamala Pick Tim Walz? Paid partnerships with: ExpressVPN Get 3 months free at https://ExpressVPN.com/Tucker Get the Hallow prayer app 3 months free https://Hallow.com/Tucker Public Square https://PublicSquare.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We bring you stories that have not been showcased anywhere else. And they're not censored, of course, because we're not gatekeepers. We are honest brokers here to tell you what we think you need to know and do it honestly. Check out all of our content at TuckerCarlson.com. Here's the episode. So how long did you marinate in Carmela Harris? And how do you pronounce her name? Well, she issued an ad when she ran for Senate featuring children to remind everybody exactly how she expected her name to be pronounced.

And obviously you know that if you diverge from that, then you are automatically accused of all sorts of things. But most of all, it's a very racist thing to do you saw the same accusation go when donald trump did his al smith dinner speech said kamala and that made a lot of people very angry who are still there how can you be racist if you don't know what race she is well she's i'm not even sure who I'm discriminated against when I'm discriminated against Carmela Harris or whatever her name is. Right.

I imagine that if somebody mispronounced your first name, then perhaps you could say that. Well, if I pronounce my own first name at least two different ways as she has, we have it on tape, then I think it would be a lot to attack other people for pronouncing it differently. Right. It's something that if you're that insecure about how people pronounce your name,

it shouldn't be, you should just be able to either quietly correct them or just go with it. But she's made it very clear and spent money to make it clear. This is how I pronounce my name. So how long did you spend staring at Kamala Harris? How long did you work on this book? Right. So I started in January 2023 just doing the research and pulling everything together. So about a year I spent working on researching, writing the book,

and wrapped it up, the first draft, by the summer of 23. So just to skip to the end, and we'll unpack it, of course, but did by the end of your research, did you like her more or less? Yeah, probably less. But I learned so much about her that it just seemed, you know, she frequently talks about, you you know never let anyone else tell your story you tell your story she cites this all the time she cited it last night during the al smith dinner video that she did never let anyone else never let anyone else tell your story you tell the story and that statement strikes me as very fundamentally un-American, right? It seems like if you run for office, then if you tell your story, it's probably not real.

There's probably a lot more to the story than your preferred version. And so that was a huge part of it, just finding out more about her. But also just the endless talking about herself. She and everyone in her social class and political party, all they do is talk about themselves. Right, but only in very scripted ways, right? Or how about at all? Like talking

about yourself is like, and I would say the main thing I mourn as I look back in the world I grew up in that's now gone, the thing I miss most is the directive that came very clearly from my family. And I think in most families, like, shut up about yourself already. Stop talking about yourself. It's not about you, you freaking narcissist. Well, that's why so much of her campaign depends on her identity. No, but have you noticed this? I mean, maybe it's just the culture, the angle culture I grew up in. Like, you were not welcome to talk about yourself all the time. That was considered just not acceptable at all. Not acceptable. It's very rude and

pompous. You don't want to be that person. Yes. Even politicians are kind of encouraged to talk about other people instead. Of course. But I think for her, a huge part of it is just crafting her identity from the very beginning. When she first started running for national office, she was

very focused on creating this image of her as a person, really baking into her identity. First of all, that she was the product of, that she always cared about politics. She always cared about justice. She grew up marching and shouting with her activist parents who pushed her in a stroller through these protests. And then, you know then skip a few decades,

and then suddenly she's sort of the product of the overarching progressive movement, that somehow she's always been this progressive liberal who has always been very focused on justice and truth and has made it part of her life and part of her biography when that's not really true. Well, it's demonstrably not really true. I'm not sure what is true about a couple of episodes in her life that I've heard really nothing about. And one is her high school years in Canada.

And I think any adult looking back will concede that high school is the period that forms you more than any other. And that period in her life was spent, unless I'm misremembering, in Montreal, Canada. Right. A huge part of her life was spent in Montreal. And so you're kind of alienated from any sort of your upbringing. So she's definitely alienated from San Francisco and the Berkeley environment where she was raised, kind of brought to a similar location, academic neighborhood, high middle class, I believe. It was not a working or middle class neighborhood. In Montreal. In Montreal.

Yeah. And she was the product. She went to school with a lot of elites in the country and was certainly aware of what was going on, but she was sort of alienated from the overall American experience, right? Well, yeah. So she did spend her high school years in Canada. Right.

And she might have gone home to California for some of the summers. I think there's evidence that she did so to visit her dad on a couple occasions, but I don't think she spent much time there. Did she graduate high school in Canada? I think so. And then- Then she's Canadian. I i mean why are we playing i'm serious like why are we pretending it's like obama who grew up in indonesia i don't and hawaii i don't understand why we're ignoring everyone seems to be ignoring the obvious you know you are formed by your years in high school and so she's

basically she was very inspired by people in her life, people who were in California, to go to Howard. This is definitely a product of Kamala Harris seeking to sort of seize on an identity by going to Howard in D.C. as this historically black university and really sort of embracing that identity and using that as she moved back to California

and went to law school in California and sort of jumped into the legal world. Yeah, I mean, the peril, Obama's a much smarter and more talented, I think, than Kamala Harris, but there is a similarity in that both of them have these rootless childhoods, not their fault, of course, broken families,

pretty tragic family situation for both of them. And neither one of them has anything to do with American black culture at all, either genetically or culturally. They have just nothing to do with it. And both of them decide to become American black people. That's why she brings up who she calls her second mother a lot. She was raised by her single mom who was always at work. And then in the same building,

there was a person who ran a daycare center, Miss Shelton. And this is the woman who is actually from the Black South. This is the woman she referred to recently. This is the person, the woman she refers to as her second mother, who's a small business owner. Okay, so this is the woman she was talking about in her speech. I was totally confused.

Right. So who is this woman? This is Regina Shelton. She ran a daycare business in the same building as their apartment. And she helps raise the children while mom's at work. And so she describes this woman as her second mother. And this is the mother who is connected with the Black South that took Kamala to, you know, Kamala talks about her taking them to a Christian Black church. And even she says they sang in the choir at this church.

And so, whenever she's in a place where she's speaking to the black church, she refers to this experience. Whereas when she was running for office in California, her mother- So, she went to a black church once? All the time, apparently, according to Kamala. Got it. But at the same time, when they were doing magazine articles with Kamala Harris's real mother, she said that, and they were speaking to certain audiences, her real mother said that she grew up in the Hindu temple and practiced all of the traditions and believed in all the Hindu religious practices. So she was actually a polytheist in childhood right and when she first starts running for office there's there's a couple of incidents where she starts referring to

um this hindu goddess um and we're using her she uses this hindu goddess at I think it's Pavarti, who is both, she's both a vengeful warrior and also someone who's very loving. And so she refers to this goddess as someone who inspired her decision to get into law enforcement and justice. Wait, what? Yeah. A goddess? Yes. Hindu goddess inspired her to get into justice. Someone who can be both a vengeful goddess, but also a caring and loving goddess.

Was she suggesting that this goddess was real? Right. This character in the mythology of the Hindu religion. I don't think it's considered mythology i think it's considered real oh from if you truly believe in yeah if you're a hindu i don't i don't think i think it's fake i think you think it's real it's unclear and it may be entirely real by the way right but from a christian perspective that's demonic so no i'm not right kind of taking sides though i have an opinion but um obviously, but as a theological matter, those couldn't be more incompatible with each other.

Like, you can't. Unless you're running for political office, right? Right, but those are the opposites. That's like saying, you know, it's like, you know, going to a PETA conference in the morning and, you know, cattle rancher conference in the afternoon and saying, I love you both. Like, that's just not possible. But those are the best politicians. Okay, you covered the White House for a long time. You're more cynical than I am.

Okay. That's just interesting. So she said she was inspired by a goddess. Right. A Hindu goddess. Again, from a Christian perspective, a demon. That's what Christians think. I guess in the end...'ll find out who's right. But she also sang in the black choir about justice and learned about justice and loving thy neighbor. Was she a cantor in her synagogue too?

Do you know? I don't know. Maybe that's Doug's role. Although I don't know if he goes to synagogue very much. I don't think so. Okay. Amazing. Has she ever talked about

the Canadien part of her childhood? No, not much. That definitely came from her mother and some of her earliest profiles. Back when they were just running for her first office as district attorney. And trying to make the case that she

was a real genuine person who really wanted the job and had a cultural identity that was close with San Francisco and really made the best case for her as she was sort of running for office. And she mentioned Canada then? No, no. Canada was not in the preferred version. But the goddess stuff was? Yeah, a little bit yeah for sure amazing um so

the howard university years did she participate at all politically at howard that we know of well she has a photo right of her protesting at some march on Washington, but that's pretty much the extent of it. She also interned on Capitol Hill with a senator. But other than that, there doesn't seem to be very much political activity going on. Yeah, a Democratic senator.

And it's very clear that she's really just enjoying being at college, as most of us were when we were in college, just enjoying being at college. And I don't think the activist streak was very strong back then. So, I think the first time that most Americans who are not from California noticed Kamala Harris was during the Kavanaugh hearings. Right. But even before that, when she won in 2016, she was sort of one of the small victories for women at a time when their greatest champion, Hillary Clinton, was vanquished by, at the time, Donald Trump. Right. race for Senate, she tears up her speech and delivers something entirely different.

Really trying to inspire and encourage everybody who's watching and vow to be the next great fighter who's going to go to Washington, D.C. and sort of stop Donald Trump. That's kind of her first message. And one of the very first things she does. Was that election night? Yeah.

Election night in November 2016. Did she ad-lib that speech no i think she and her staff went behind the scenes and rewrote it yeah yeah very quickly because they saw that things were not going well for the democratic party and one of her first things she did when she got to washington was deliver a big speech at the woman's march and basically saying, we are here to fight. And so- That was the pink hat march? Yeah. I got caught in that by accident.

Most of us who were in the Capitol were, right? Yeah. Well, I was just driving to the gym to play squash, actually. And all of a sudden- It was over. Yeah. My car was surrounded by all these fat ladies in pink hats. And I remember thinking, I don't know what the, you know, I'm from DC. I've been there most of my life and I surrounded by all these fat ladies in pink hats. I remember thinking, I don't know what the, you know, I'm from DC. I've been there most of my life and I never seen all these people on 17th Street. It was one of those days that was very big. Like some protests, you have to really try to sell it as a big protest.

No, no, that was. That was a big march. Yeah. And as someone who's really from the bottom of my heart pro-women, I just have always really liked women, I started to rethink my position on women just watching the people at that speech. They were the most physically unattractive, unhappy people I think I'd ever seen in my life. I mean, they were just really a gruesome bunch. There was also a lot of really intelligent feminists from Washington, liberal intelligent feminists who were out in the streets. They're so unhappy.

It was like every unhappy chick from Bethesda was there. You know what I mean? Like the moms you see at the grocery store just like hate their weak husbands. And I just didn't realize that there were half a million of those people in the area, but there were. Yeah, it was very. So she spoke at that what did she say right she um well it's very interesting because part of her was still kind of clinging to this

idea that uh a regular agenda was a female agenda she talks about how you want to talk about women's issues i will talk to you about finance i will talk to you about education i'm really trying to separate women have something special to add in those areas? Right. It was like, she was just trying to say that during the speech, she makes the case that, you know, all issues are women's issues. What's feminist economics look like? Yeah. That was kind of her point, right? It's just like, but eventually I think because of the woman's march, she kind of does sort of slip into this agenda. And certainly with the issue of abortion, she really kind of embraced that.

So the idea is that women should not have kids. Women should have the freedom to kill their children in utero. It makes them more powerful. Right. Did she mention the goddess when she said that? No, this is the new Kamala Harris. I somehow feel like the goddess may be inspiring that position, but I can't prove it. Right.

Okay, so she gave a talk at the Women's March. Jogged my memory, was that a big deal? Was she a major speaker that day? She was one of many. Yeah, okay. You know, they get all the senators up on the stage at the same time. Right. They each get a couple minutes.

So, yeah, as soon as she got to the Senate, she spent a lot of time just, you know, clashing with Trump appointees, right? Because that's what you do when you first get to the Senate. Right, yeah, for sure. They pick their cabinet and they go through the hearings. Grand stand on the confirmations. If you can make a splash, then you can make a name for yourself. And so one of her first things, she torments General Kelly, who was widely respected bipartisan majority of senators who viewed General Kelly as a true public servant.

And she was one of the ones that clashed with him and prosecuted him and basically made a name for herself on all the different appointees. And then, yes, then after that, it was the whole Jeff Sessions Russia thing. She made a big name of herself then, grilling Jeff Sessions and getting him to admit that if he's rushed, then he gets nervous. And that was a whole big viral moment, you know, with the dawn of C-SPAN, every senator, every congressman is looking for these sort of viral moments. Yeah. Just, you know, springboard them into the future.

And so she really got this reputation as being a fighter, someone who could take on the Trump people and make them look foolish. Hmm. What happened with Kavanaugh? Right. With Kavanaugh, it was a time of desperation for the left. And for many senators who were thinking about running for president, it was your chance. I call it like the Kavanaugh primary.

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And she's indicating that, yes, there is a moment she's thinking about. And she's like, but you're not going to tell me, are you? And Kavanaugh's still being very careful. And it turns out, like, she never had any evidence of this ever happening. But she wanted to get him. Wanted to catch him in this moment. And ultimately, reporters were kind of surprised by the end of this great exercise that,

oh, wow, she has no evidence that he ever met or spoke about the case with the lawyer from this firm. But yeah, it was back in the days when anything Russia, Russia, Russia related was hot political news, right? If you could ever just smear anybody with the very whiff of Russia, it was always considered a great victory, which kind of pales in comparison now. Yeah, looking back, the stupidity of that is just awe-inspiring.

The cabinet things? No, of the Russia stuff. Oh. It was the idea that the Trump campaign was colluding with anybody, you know, to actually believe that you would have to know nothing about what the Trump campaign was really like, where they were, you know, it was a little disorganized. They were not even colluding with each other, as you know. And there was never, I mean, that was like insane. It was evidence-free. Russia was not a threat to the United States.

There were a couple of other countries that were playing in a huge way in our elections and still are, no one will ever mention them. It's not Russia, to put it mildly. Everyone in DC knows that. Russia had no role whatsoever in our domestic politics, and they had no sort of agenda that would affect our core interests.

So like the whole thing was just nuts. And everybody went along with it. Everybody went along with it. Right. Like everybody, just like from the force of repetition, just because, you know, every channel every channel every newspaper every day was talking about Russia people were like you know I really think there's something there what it just showed how dumb

everybody was or it all just hurt animals including friends of mine for whom I lost a lot of respect I was like okay I'm open minded I'm kind of agnostic on Russia and I'm willing to believe anything so where's the evidence yeah do you know do you remember this yeah I do and it was And I'm willing to believe anything. So where's the evidence? Yeah.

Do you know? Do you remember this? Yeah, I do. And it was always very puzzling because it started from this dossier, right? That they always had in their back pocket, but didn't use it during 2016 because they didn't think they had to. Right. But once Trump won, it was the first thing that they pulled out of their pockets. They're like, wow, we can actually use this.

Was Harris big on the Russia thing? Not too much. She prosecuted different Trump officials. She did get Bill Barr one time, you know, asking him if Trump had ever asked him to sort of stop the investigation. And he found himself sort of fumbling for words and couldn't really answer the question. So she did have some good moments there.

But yeah, I think a lot of it was just, she was seen as somebody who was fighting. She had this opposing, you know, she was fighting something else, right? And people placed that excitement because she was the one doing the fighting against this force that they were very unhappy about. So how did, if you were to summarize how she behaved during the Kavanaugh hearings,

I think I remember her going all in on the rape stuff or sexual assault stuff. Right, right. She was very, very adamant about supporting Christine Balazs Ford, and it was also around the Me Too movement, right? She honed in on that as a political force that would help her. So when it came to that, she was just very intent on pushing Christine Blasey Ford as this hero, as this patriot. She repeatedly claimed that she believed her when she first spoke, before she even met her.

She repeatedly said that she was a patriot and a hero for coming forward. And she really thought that this was the moment that she could really push through and stop Kavanaugh. Democrats didn't have much to go on. But when they found out that Dianne Feinstein had this letter from Christine Ford, who wished to remain anonymous, different, you know, she confronted Feinstein about the letter. Like, you better address this. Once reports started leaking out about the existence of this letter, she confronted Feinstein and said, you better address this or it's going to look real ugly for you. So Feinstein

was eventually forced out to make this letter public to bring them in, to bring her into the conversation, even though she wanted to remain anonymous. And so this woman was ultimately pulled into the fight and senators and Senate staff who were, went through that. It was a very tough time for a lot of people in the Senate. Whatever happened, so Christine Blasey Ford, this is all coming back to me. There was a high school party in Bethesda. It always starts in Bethesda, doesn't it? And which is a suburb of DC.

Right. Of course, in Maryland, Montgomery County. And Kavanaugh supposedly at this high school party 40, 35 years before had acted badly and sexually assaulted Christine Blasey Ford. Is that, that was her allegation? Right, right. That was her. So then Blasey Ford basically destroyed her life, correct? Right. You know, maybe she's still a progressive hero among some, but you certainly, we've seen this story before where the Democrats will pull an unsuspecting character to weaponize against the Republican Party. Right.

And just sort of cast them aside when it's all over. Well, exactly. Nicely put. That's exactly right. Like whatever happened, Christine Blasey Ford is no longer a hero. Right? Like George Floyd. It's like she was useful for a news cycle.

They upended her life. And then I don't think they've named any endowed chairs after her. It makes me think of all the moms who lost their sons in Iraq, how they were weaponized and held up as paragons of, you know, this is why the Bush administration is evil because we have this poor woman who's suffering the loss of her son they would hoist them up and bring them to all the speeches and then yeah and now all those moms are against moms who have hostages and in you know Israel no it's totally they brought them

on stage and then it turns out oh we can't help your child who's being held hostage. No, it's so smart. We weren't able to help them either, but we were able to use them politically to make the case. It's funny, all those Iraq moms who were marching against Trump, I mean, rather against Bush. Right. They all had my sympathy, speaking for myself. And now the Democratic Party that once promoted them and called them heroes is aligned with Dick Cheney and his repulsive little daughter. Right. You still have remnants of the Code Pink out there.

Exactly. They certainly aren't the champions that they are. No, I'm on their side. The media no longer hailing them as the champions of truth and justice. Sorry to digress, Charlie, but it's just interesting. It's a funny— Things I'd forgotten about. It is an interesting time to revisit, for sure.

So, but Kamala Harris becomes more a national figure after falsely accusing— Right. Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault four years ago. Is that— Claiming, I believe, believe all women, believe the victims. Right. This whole Me Too movement

that was kind of around 2018, I believe. 17, 18. Right around this time the Kavanaugh was sort of brought up and,

Right. Like, the entire movement was kind of leveraged in this whole thing where it's like, believe all women and that's our new platform

for the Democratic Party. So, women don't lie ever? No, especially about this. Because they're Hindu goddesses or something. They're incapable of lying. I don't know. I don't know about that.

It's funny to find out that 51% of the population just doesn't lie. Everything they say is just gospel. It's just true. Well, you're supposed to because, you know, those are the new marching orders. Only it turns out that it didn't go so well does that apply to candace owens or just just christine blasey ford

um right just i mean it's all it's just funny to look back i'm sorry keep interrupting you but it's just funny to right look back it's like a time capsule it's you remember these moments and in retrospect they're so completely absurd. It's hard to believe that Martha Raddatz and Joe Scarborough and all these other supposedly educated people

are saying this stuff with a straight face on television. Well, especially the Me Too movement. Believe all women? Are you joking? No.

How about no? And Kamala Harris was one of the first to see this as like a politically advantageous position to take, the Me Too movement. So there's video of her marching in San Francisco at a parade championing the Me Too movement. And who's along with her, noted celebrity, Jussie Smollett.

Not really. Right. He is also right beside her in a Me Too shirt. Juicy Smollett was a Me Too-er also? Juicy Smollet was a Me Too-er back in 2018, and they're both chanting, you know, up, up with education, down, down with deportation. So they're also protesting.

I know you're making this up, Charlie. They're also protesting immigration, wearing Me Too movement gear. But what's interesting about that, and if you look at the Me Too movement gear. But what's interesting about that, and if you look at the Me Too movement as a political force, look at what they did to Al Franken. Oh, yeah. He was one of the first democratic victims of the Me Too movement.

I defended him. Right. He wouldn't defend himself. He's such a cuck, he wouldn't even defend himself. He did nothing wrong. Oh, right. So he was a rising political star. Yeah. People oh right so he was he was a rising political star yeah people were actively he just published a book people were actively talking about him as

maybe he's the answer to donald trump he found this populist movement in minnesota that pretty much vanquished the republican party in the state yeah and was this like awkward weird anti-trump right and so people were actively talking about him as a possible presidential candidate. But then when these allegations start coming out about his behavior, who were the first ones to seize on it? All the Democratic women senators who were also interested in running a presidential campaign. I think it was Christian Gillibrand that fired the first shot. She's the worst. Not her real name, by the way. I can't remember

her real name. No, it's all fake. I wish I could remember her real name, but it's not even close to Kirsten Gillibrand. Anyway. Amy Klobuchar, Kamala Harris, they're all... Klobuchar did that? They all band together and march to Schumer's office and say, he's got to go.

And... And he actually obeyed them. Right. Well, him and all his colleagues were, you know, when Schumer pulls him into the office and says, I can't defend you. I can't fight for you. What are you going to do? Are you going to fight for yourself and go be raked over the coals for the rest of your life?

Or do you just go away quietly? It seems in Franken's case, he didn't want to fight. I know Franken well and have known him for 25 years. He's a pretty clever guy, has good qualities. People in the Senate always had good things to say. Yeah, I mean, I never hated Al Franken, but he was ultimately, all he really cared about was left-wing ideology and just such a sad-

And being liked, I think. Broken guy, yeah. Like being liked. But again, charming guy, talented guy, more talented than most US senators, for sure, but so weak inside. Sure. I think bossed around by his wife.

That was always my impression. Franny from Portland, Maine, as I recall. But the point is he didn't do anything wrong. And if he had just ridden it out for a week and just let it, just hunker down, you know, go to Barbados for a week, come back, he'd be fine. He was an elected United States Senator.

And he gave up his seat voluntarily because four ambitious girls didn't like him. I mean, wow, what a loser. Are you serious? Right, you would certainly expect. And more people started fighting back ultimately. But at the time they were very afraid of the movement. It was very much-

But can you imagine if you were Al Franken and you just dishonor yourself and your family, your kids are ashamed, you go down in history as some sort of sexual assaulter, some sort of crypto rapist, you give up your own Senate seat that you really fought hard for just because Kirsten Gillibrand or whatever her real name is wants what you have? Can you imagine the regret he must feel? Right. And I think a lot of Democratic donors were not happy with that. Certainly with Gillibrand. A lot of Democratic donors were not happy. She ran for president in Iowa.

It kind of ended very shortly afterwards because Democratic donors were still furious at her for taking Franken off the table. She's a completely false person. I'd take Carmela Harris any day over Kirsten Gillibrand. Oh, really? There's something about Gillibrand that's just really... She's just... New Yorker. So ruthless. Oh, my gosh. You have to be. That's fascinating.

So, Harris joined the chorus against Al Franken. Right. At the same time, she has somebody in her office that is also under investigation for his own me too stuff when he was back in california so someone in her close circle uh i don't want to get his name wrong, but it was somebody very close who was being investigated by the justice system in California. He was sued by a woman for inappropriate behavior, and they eventually had to award this woman a big payout because of things that he had done to her in her in his office in his previous job yeah um when kamala harris is informed about it she has no idea she's shocked i had no idea that this was even happening well if he was currently having this case being taken

that was already underway by all the rules of the Me Too movement, you're supposed to get rid of this person as soon as you hear about it. Execute him, yeah, of course. But to have someone on her staff who was involved in this whole situation and then suddenly claim ignorance when the ruling is issued really doesn't pass the smell test. Well, also, I mean, Kamala Harris got her job because she was having sex with a married older man, Willie Brown, and then she was Montel Williams' side piece.

So it's like, I'd love to know her actual perspective on sexual politics. It's a little bit different from maybe what she's saying. You know what I mean? Right. Right. I mean, if there's one anti-feminist in the state of California, it's Willie Brown. Right.

Although he'd very much love to see himself as a feminist. No, but in real life. But he would bring, he would host these events that featured only women. And he would talk about how these were great woman empowerment summits. I think they're known as ladies, for one thing. And second, like, look, I like Willie Brown. I'm not attacking Willie Brown. I think he're known as ladies, for one thing. And second, like, look, I like Willie Brown. I'm not attacking Willie Brown. I think he's hilarious because I think he's a little bit more honest.

Very honest. If there's anybody whose life violates the principles of second wave feminism, it's Willie Brown. Right. I mean, honest. I mean, really. Willie Brown? Right. I think that's right.

Even Bill Clinton described him as the real Slick Willie. Did he really say that? Yeah. Oh, that's so good. Now you're making me like them both. Because, you know, you just like flashes of honesty wherever you find them. Right. Willie Brown was this character in California politics that couldn't be brought down by corruption,

but he was always teasing and joking about corruption. Yeah. I mean, if you're having sex with Willie Brown in order to get a job, you know, whatever you can deal with your own conscience and with your own Hindu goddess on that, you know,

but you definitely can't lecture me on feminism. If you've done that. I think it's fair to say, right. I think so. I think when you talk to women, they would, they would agree with that statement.

Right, you know, you give up your right. You gain a lot. You get to be attorney general of the state of California and the U.S. senator and vice president, but you do give up your right to lecture me about feminism. Right.

Is that fair? I think a lot of women would agree with that. I think that's right. I'm just being, I'm not judging. Sure. But she's not allowed to judge either. I guess that's what I'm saying. It's certainly not without evidence, right?

Yeah. Sorry, you had sex with Willie Brown to get a job, so why don't you cool it on the feminism stuff? As you discussed with a previous guest, it kicked off her entire career. Oh, of course it did. It wasn't just that. Willie Brown gave her positions of power on state boards, that paid handsomely. She made up to $400,000 back in the 90s from these positions.

Can you be specific about which positions? Just kidding, Charlie. Now then she made about $400,000 over a couple years just from these once-a-month state board positions. And that's like, you adjust that for today's dollars, that's like almost a million dollars. Oh, yeah. And then bought her a BMW, helped pay for her wardrobe, really turned her in to Kamala Harris.

So there are two ways to look at this. And as a charitable man who instinctively likes women and likes kind of plucky up from the bootstrap stories, I think you could tell that story in an honest way that might make you admire Kamala Harris. Here's this woman who doesn't know anybody. She's from Canada. You know, she doesn't, she's not from the area, really. She's, I think, from Oakland.

She was working at the Alameda County Prosecutor's Office. Yeah, exactly, right in the East Bay. Right. And she winds up becoming Attorney General of the biggest state, and she's willing to do whatever it takes to get that, including have sex with Willie Brown and Monta Williams. If you told a story that way, I'd say, well, you know, morally it's obviously malodorous. But on the other hand,

this woman has a lot of energy. She's focused. She does what it takes to get what she wants exactly right. And she's totally self-made. And I think Willie Brown really opened her up to this world of the possibility. For sure. If you're a young prosecutor at the age of 29, you see what's possible, but being on the arm of Willie Brown. You should have sex with Willie Brown. Why wouldn't you look at that and say, I can seize this for myself as long as I show up and demand it. And Willie Brown taught her how to do that. He talks about in his book, like, in order to get into wealthy white worlds, you

force your way into these positions of influence, like on museum boards and the arts and, you know, the charities, and you present yourself as this figure, then they'll welcome you into these worlds, and they'll hoist you up onto these political

platforms. Okay, that's all fine. I get it. I mean, it's a form of prostitution, but I try not to judge. All I'm saying is why would you be self-righteous and scolding? She has no right to be self-righteous about anything or scold anyone. And she doesn't need to. By the way, she could just, I don't know, tell her story honestly.

And people might say, I would say, I kind of get it. You know, she made something out of not much and I admire that. Why does she have to lecture the rest of us about the civil rights movement? Right, it's because it's politically advantageous at this point. We kind of see that.

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Stop telling me what the Edmund Pettus Bridge. Like, you got nothing to do with that. Right. No? Right. She's not from Alabama, right? No. No. She definitely embraced this agenda as her own.

Yeah. Embraced her identity. If anybody questions her identity, she's just like, I'm not even going to take the time to discuss this with you. If you have a problem with me being black, that's your problem. Being black?

Oh, so black. Oh, it's hilarious. Right. And when you talk to black women in politics, like, they know. But they also see her as someone who could do the job. It's just so fake. So she did a Brett Baer show the other night. Right. It's the first interview I've ever seen where after the interview,

everyone's tells you ignore all the substance of everything she said and focus only on the style. All of her defenders are like focusing on the style. Like, wow, just the fact that she did this interview, she won. Whereas... Doing an interview with Brett Baer, that's a win? I mean, it's all so stupid. But what I...

I didn't read any of the coverage of it because the lesson was obvious for me. I didn't need to be told what the lesson was. But I was really struck by how angry and touchy she was defensive she was nasty she was skill-less she was you've seen a million of her interviews is she always is that a theme that you've noticed in the past this is something that was very much a product that sort of boosts her on the public stage which is why she's trying to repeat it you know she had a better than expected debate against Donald Trump. Yeah.

Because she was able to tangle with him and demonstrate that she could go toe to toe. I thought she did a pretty good job. Right. Not bad. Right. She needed that, the opposition force, to campaign against.

Like, she needs Trump. If she doesn't have Trump, what does she have? And so I think that that was part of the calculus of doing the Fox News interview. It's like, if I can just go against something, if I can just stand tall and get in a fight with Bret Baier, then I look better by comparison. It's like a total asshole. I mean, that was just my view. I mean, I don't know.

Maybe I'm completely out of it. There's nothing to do with her gender. She just was like screechy and defensive and mad. Have you seen other interviews like that with her? Is that how she always is? It's very interesting because, and I talk about this in the book a lot, is when she was sort of this like Democratic champion in the Senate where she was known for repeatedly fighting and getting angry

and doing her utmost to, you know, crush Kavanaugh. I think she realized at some point that if I'm going to run for president, I need to be sort of a little more than just this opposing force. I need to have an idea, an identity that attracts Americans to vote for me for president. And so that's when she introduces this concept of a joyful warrior. She makes a hard pivot away from the fighter and goes on Ellen and delivers this elegant soliloquy about the importance of being a joyful warrior, about loving your country and fighting for your country and not being angry all the time. She had multiple interviews where she's like,

I'm tired of being mad all the time, and I want to be a joyful warrior. Did she use the phrase joyful warrior? Repeatedly, repeatedly. On Ellen, in magazine profiles, she completely, and this is actually before Kavanaugh, because she has this reputation of being a fighter in the Senate. Then she pivots to be a joyful warrior around 2018. Then she pivots back to the vengeful warrior

when she's fighting Kavanaugh. And then by the time she's ready to announce her campaign for president in 2019, early 2019, she sort of pivots back to this idea that I'm a joyful warrior and all I care about is speaking truth. Joyful. So you've looked pretty closely at her life.

You just wrote a book about her. How many instances did you stumble across of joy? True, genuine joy, very hard to find. Very hard to find. She seems that way. She's very guarded. She's a very private person, and she's uncomfortable talking about herself. She talks about it all the time.

She's just like, I'm just not comfortable talking about myself. But she never stops talking about herself, I notice. Except in the specific ways, like being raised in a middle-class family, being the product of her community. What community is she talking about? Right, the San Francisco community. But she's from Canada. Right. Like, what the hell is she talking about?

As a politician, when she's talking about the community, she's talking about her childhood community that she grew up in, leaving the Canada part out entirely, and then just pretending she's always been from Oakland, which she's actually from Berkeley, but she doesn't like to talk about it. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I am from that area, so I know it well. And there are like no black people there.

I don't even know what she's talking about. Oh, really? In San Francisco, no. Oh. There's like one and a half black neighborhoods, tiny percentage of the population. Well, she is the daughter of an academic elite, right? Her father and mother. Yeah, Jamaican guy too, right?

Right. Her father and mother were sort of hard left academics. They were not necessarily the marching shouters. I mean, I'm sure they went to a few protests, but they were very much intellectual activists. They were very focused on... Can I ask, her father attacked her at one point, didn't he? Right.

And this is for using her Jamaican identity to sort of defend the idea of smoking weed, legalizing weed. Yeah. He was horrified by that. It's the rare occasion where he just, without permission, went out and wrote an angry essay,

you know, explicitly saying, I wish to categorically disassociate myself from this brand that she's selling of her Jamaican heritage being the reason why she supports legalized marijuana. Yeah, because, I mean, if you actually are Jamaican, the idea that everyone in Jamaica is, you know, Peter Tosh is offensive. It's offensive, right. He was very angry about that. So she doesn't get along with him then, clearly. No, no. He was very angry about that. So she doesn't get along with him then, clearly. No.

No. And he was forced to take that. Actually, he lives in Washington, D.C. What? Yeah. Harris's father lives in Washington, D.C., the father who denounced her. Right. What does he do?

What's this? Tell me that story. Why haven't I heard that? Yeah. We had some reporters from the Daily Mail, which where I work and they sort of tracked him down and he does actually live in a house not too far away from Kamala Harris and it does not look like

they spend a lot of time together if at all I think the last time he posted photos of an adult Kamala Harris and him together were from many years ago before she came to Washington and he does a lot of work with economics and Jamaica and the World Bank.

But he's also semi-retired at this point. So yeah, he's just kind of this figure that exists in D.C. but has no close connection with his daughter. Has he ever talked about her other than to write an op-ed attacking her? He wrote a brief piece about his Jamaican heritage and how Connelly Harris was connected to that.

He wrote that for a Jamaican newspaper where he talks about his life and, you know, having Kamala at a young age and then, you know, becoming distanced and eventually estranged entirely from her. Yeah, it's a very sad story. He talks, his book, his book about Marxist economics, he talks about, you know, this book is dedicated to my daughters, Kamala and Maya, from whatever relationship we have. It's a little bit of a sad story because it seems like he was kind of pushed out of the family's life entirely after quite some time. Yeah. I mean, he wasn't at any of her victory parties for her political races. He did not attend her inauguration. Conlon never personally invited him to an inauguration. I think the Times did a story a couple weeks ago that said somehow he got an invitation through an intermediary,

but he was never asked personally to come by his daughter. Ouch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Women who are mad at their dads, you know, tend to, not all, but a lot of them end up at wearing pink hats at women's marches. And in general, if you're a father and your daughter grows up to be a man hater, it's probably kind of your fault.

Right. Fair. You sort of take on that responsibility, you know, you know that it's probably kind of your fault. Right. Fair. You sort of take on that responsibility. You know. Yeah. You know that it's your fault. If you don't have a relationship with your daughter, then that's kind of your fault.

Yeah, if she's running around promoting abortion, it should occasion some soul searching on your part, I would say. But as a father of daughters, I can say that. But so anyway, so she comes to DC, speaking of relationships, how and she's chosen by this historic, future-forward-looking campaign in 2019, in January of 2019, when she announces her run for president, it doesn't go well. And it goes really badly, and I'm sorry to elide right over that. So she announces, how long does she run for president?

She's one of the first out of the gate. She has all the support from many of the donors, many of the major media elites. You know, she has this moment with people like Rachel Maddow who says, you know, I do think that you are one of our strongest candidates and I do think that you're going to make it to the final finishing line. It's really an impressive effort by the elite in the entire party. They want to see Conor Harris succeed and they're very bullish about her chances when she gets into the race. It's such a funny race. So the candidate the Democrats really want is the socialist, but he criticizes the banks, so he cannot be allowed to be the nominee because you can't criticize banks.

Right. That's immoral, criticizing banks. And we're a little squeamish about universal health care, right? But Kamala Harris... We don't actually want to give Democratic voters anything they really want. Right. So we have to crush Bernie. So when she runs as this, you know,

she moves herself so far to the left right before she runs for president, she's become this, like, radical leftist candidate, even more radical than Bernie Sanders himself. She endorses Medicare for all, but when she's up on the debate stage and they're like, but if you have Medicare for all, then this means getting rid of private healthcare. And she's like, that's right. I agree. And then when she gets enormous pushback, media coverage, the health insurance industry, then she walks it back and says, well, actually, I don't mean that. I'm sure private insurance will still be around and I want it to be around, even though there is socialized healthcare.

Well, it's not really how it works, but if you, if you, you know, can pivot quickly to say that, and then she makes the same mistake again. And this is when, you know, you obviously have a core Democratic party that wants to see you as like this leftist champion like Bernie Sanders is. Right. Kamala Harris really wants to be that figure

and is doing her most desperate attempt to win sort of the Bernie Sanders mantle. But the Bernie Sanders supporters are very angry with her for even pretending to be a socialist, Democratic socialist, right? Because she's not. And so I think that there was a very—

Well, she's a tool of the banks. Right. And the neocons and every other sort of evil institution in Democratic Party land. Well, she's willing to do the bidding of anybody who can get her in power. She's not—she was never known in California as someone who was, you know, she talks about this. We keep going back, I'm sorry. But she talks how much about how she fought the big banks to win this massive mortgage settlement

after the disastrous 2008 crash. But yeah, she didn't lead the charge. It was led by Eric Schneiderman from New York who sort of rallied any progressive attorney general of a state, many who have gone on to have successful political careers and be like, this is our moment. If we fight the big banks and earn a bigger settlement, then we are automatically seen as champions. And so she fought the big banks and got a bigger settlement, but she still settled. Well, she's a tool of the rich. Right. It has been always the banking industry, the abortion industry, the war industry. She's a little foot soldier for industry.

Right. She always has been, right? Right. And activists have all been very frustrated with her unwillingness to take risks until she's running for president, and then she's suddenly for everything. She's for reducing red meat consumption. She's for banning plastic straws. She's for decriminalizing prostitution, despite her mixed record on that.

She's for legalizing marijuana. She just totally pivots and becomes this figure who supports every single radical agenda item during the Democratic primary. And yet, somehow, she doesn't resonate. Well, that makes sense as a feminist because obviously for women, you want to encourage them to sell their bodies like slaves.

Right, right. Yeah. And apparently, you go on Black needed to sell this as uh as something liberation you want yeah something about freedom we need what you need is decriminalization of prostitution and an abortion to sell more weed kill your chance and smoke more weed and that's about freedom that's about success that's that's the that's the opportunity economy that we want to sell. That's the agenda of the goddess. So her presidential campaign, despite vigorous endorsement from white ladies like Rachel Maddow, crashes and burns. The dogs won't eat the dog food, correct?

Right. How bad was it? She goes to Iowa. Once she hits Iowa, her whole life she's lived in a one-party state, California. And the idea there is to get the backing of the elites, the donors, and then raise enough money to just plaster the air with advertising. Right. Then you win. As long as you have the blessing of the elites, then you can pretty much win in California. You don't have to necessarily go on the ground and convince voters. Um, you just need those three things. And so she goes into this primary in Iowa with sort of the same focus, right?

Win the blessing of the elites, raise a bunch of money, run all the advertisements. And then when she hits the ground in Iowa, she suddenly finds that Democrats are not. They're willing to listen, but when they listen to her, they're not satisfied with what they're hearing. They see her on the debate stages making the case for all these progressive policies,

but then when she's asked to defend them, she's either walking back or changing her mind on these issues. On top of it all, in the beginning, very beginning of her campaign is when the Jussie Smollett stuff breaks. And that's when she sort of

rushes to his defense and is the first candidate sort of leading the march for justice for Jussie. Sends out a tweet. It's like, wait, hold on. Stop, stop, stop. Here you are making fun of her.

She's totally fake. But in one sense, she is a legitimate pioneer. She was the first across the, not the Edmund Pettus Bridge, but the Jussie Smollett Bridge. Like she was there facing off the guard dogs and fire hoses on behalf of Jussie Smollett. Right, right. She led the entire Democratic primary field to defend Jussie Smollett. And then she still hasn't apologized for that, by the way.

She still hasn't taken down the tweet. So she is in some sense a civil rights hero if you define civil rights as like fake hate crimes. Right. Yeah. Right. And she's never apologized for that? No, she's never apologized for it. She expressed regret that it happened, but she never apologized for it.

Was it passive constructive construction? That it happened? Yeah. Spontaneous combustion that just happened. This is not good for people who have real hate crimes. But she still has the tweet defending him as one of the smartest. That's still up?

That's still up. Just like her, you know, the famous Minnesota bailout of the protesters in Minneapolis. Yeah. Yeah. That's still live too. So she's not, she's not one to apologize very much. I don't know.

It happens with a lot of politicians. Certainly Joe Biden doesn't like to apologize for anything. Yeah. It's, it's so telling. Whereas, you know, if you want to be strong,

apology is the only way. Right. And people saw her as like the anti-Biden. So when she first goes out on the debate stage and basically calls him a racist, when they ask him about the accusations of women of unwanted touching and groping, she says, I believe all women and they have the right to say that so she's one of the first ones to sort of tackle biden as this out of touch dinosaur who no longer belongs on the national stage she said as much during the debate you know trying to be nice i'm not calling you a racist but let me call you a racist that's if essentially what she said he wasn't enthusiastic enough about busing yeah they she pulled that from biden's past but at the same time he's out there talking about the good old days when he worked with segregationists and everybody got along. And certainly the modern left was like, well, you can't do that.

I don't want that. I don't want Joe Biden. Bussing was a disaster. It didn't help anybody. It crushed white kids. It crushed black kids. It destroyed public schools in the United States. I'd love to hear someone explain why bussing was a good idea. Right. In what sense was it a good idea? Like how, where did that work

exactly? And give me the numbers to show that it worked. It didn't work. It was horrible. And the people who promoted it sent their own children to private school. So like, I don't know the fact that she got up there on stage and yelled at Biden, who's a pig. I'm not defending Biden, but like the one place he's been right in his career was to oppose busing. Busing was immoral as hell. And nobody called her on it. It was weird.

What was weird is that she was projecting herself as somehow this victim of segregation and suffrage growing up in Berkeley, California. And growing up in Montreal, I mean, that's where she went to high school. That's where she went to high school. Was there a lot of segregation in Montreal? that famous moment, that little girl was me. You know, talking about riding the bus from one wealthy California enclave to another, right? And trying to embrace this idea that she was somehow this great civil rights figure.

It was rather offensive to a lot of black people who were just like, well, it's just insane. What about white people? I mean, the whole thing is nuts. The idea that, whatever, without even getting into busing, but I would just love to hear someone defend busing on its own terms. Like where was busing a success? Who benefited from it?

Exactly. Right. And when they asked her, well, what's your position on busing? She, she found herself unable to explain. Yeah.

And they really like, well, what, why are we talking about busing anyway? Right? It was an attempt to just find any cudgel at all to hit Joe Biden. No, it's totally right. It made a big splash.

Did she really say that? Why are we talking about it in the first place? No, that's what I'm saying. But when they asked her for her position on busing, she's like, well, I don't know. She didn't have a good answer of whether or not she would support federal busing. Gosh, this is really... You don't have to... It was such an obvious political attack.

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but I've never checked it myself, that when she ran for president, she did not have anywhere near majority support in her own state. Right. Is that correct? That was the big problem, is that she thought she could use California

as a springboard. Like, obviously, they will rally around me in California and push me forward as the next great leader of the Democratic Party. But people in California did not. She was so low in the polls in California, she had to quit before she got to the California primary because they obviously favored Bernie.

Yeah. Well, Bernie's not allowed because the donors didn't like Bernie. Right. There was that. Well, and then the biggest, I think the moment that was critical for her campaign, she was still kind of limping along

even after the Biden attack. Some people liked it, some people didn't, and most, you know, more importantly, the people who were really in charge of the party and who was going to win were not happy with it. And I think that's kind of why she pulled back. Like, with Biden's record, and if

you're a Democrat, a young rising Democrat, and if you really want to take out Joe Biden, if you go at him hard for about four or five months on his record, you can pretty much turn the entire, I think you could have turned the entire party against him. But because he was sort of seen as maybe the only one who could defeat Donald Trump, I think that there was a lot of force from the establishment Democratic Party that's like, look, just leave him alone. He might be what we need. It's just crazy that the anti-white party in the end nominated an old straight white guy. Right.

Blowing past the- Out of a position of fear, right? The fake black lady the gay guy who may not even really be gay i don't really know but the guy who claims he's gay anyway and they pick you know a 76 year old straight white guy really with all this baggage and history of democrats past right it's like yeah it's just interesting so oh the moment that effectively ends her campaign as i was saying is the moment that tulsi gabbard had the courage to get on stage and call her out as a fake progressive yeah as a warmonger right and uh

i think that really deep-sixed her campaign and crushed her she was never able to recover from that she there was several attempts at reboots. At one point, standing for censorship of President Trump on Twitter, that somehow she was going to leverage her entire political reboot on this idea of censoring President Donald Trump. Or even progressives like Elizabeth Warren were like, what are you doing? How is that even legal? This doesn't even make any sense. Weren't she the Attorney General? You're supposed to be a...

I think you're supposed to support free speech as part of the Constitution. Yeah. But at the same time, she delivered a speech to the NAACP that said, I will increase the number of attorneys at the Department of Justice to go after hate speech and misinformation

on social media, and these social media companies better be very afraid for what I want to do. Yeah, don't give up your guns. Like we need to hold them responsible for everything that's posted on their platforms. Yeah, for criticizing us it shouldn't be allowed. How do people like that who weren't even meaningfully attached to this country in any way or understand what it is, how do they get positions of power?

I don't understand. Like, how could someone like Kamala Harris, who obviously doesn't like the United States, but doesn't even really understand it, like she gets to administer our laws? There's something wrong with our system, don't you think? Right. I think it's very much focused on how can we find a willing participant to do everything we say and be willing to be flexible on a number of different issues. Someone who doesn't have any core values is easier to manipulate. Yeah.

And I think that they saw her as somebody, which is part of the reason why they chose her as vice president. This is someone who obviously has the support of the biggest donors, who also has been out in the streets during the George Floyd protests, you know, backing the idea of these protests. And what better person to be President Biden's running mate than the person who accused him of being a racist? Than the lady from the HR department, which is what she really is.

Right, bring her into, and that's sort of what she that was sort of how she leveraged her way into the front of the pack right it was during the entire black lives matter george floyd protests of 2020 that tore up the entire country and i think that many in the democratic party thought that she was necessary to tack on to biden who clearly had his problems during the debates on his black issues you know suggesting to to black families that if they didn't play the record player at night they were raising their children wrong and telling all these bizarre stories of you know relationships with black people and we're just totally out of touch so i do think they felt that they needed to put the Obama coalition back together

if he was going to have a chance of winning. And in order to do that, you need a person of color on the ticket. Yeah, I think that's like the rich white liberal way of understanding black people. And I bet you money that Biden in the end will wind up doing better with black voters than Kamala Harris.

I bet you money. I mean, I'm'm off it clearly was in south carolina right when he won all the black vote in south carolina well yeah because of jim clyburn he became the nominee after south carolina and they found out that you know black people actually like him and will vote for him then it was like time to clear the field uh and i get that right and, then it was like time to clear the field. And I get that. Right. And I bet you- He was the vice president for the first black president. Well, yeah, but he's just also,

he's a little bit slightly more authentic than her. Like she's so obviously fake. Right. But what do I know? I do know that she's Rachel Maddow's version of a black candidate. You know what I mean? But anyway, so, okay. So she gets chosen by Biden.

Was there any, jog my memory, real contest? Were there other people under consideration? Right. Because he famously came out when he's trying to seal the deal with Bernie. He comes out during a debate in the spring saying, I will choose a woman vice president. And got a little splashed. Nobody remembers the substance of the debate. Just that headline, right?

Yeah. And then it became, you know, as he's exploring the idea, like, you know, there's a number of women he really liked. on the top of the list were some of these sort of, these figures like Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan, who he felt was kind of this fun rising power in Michigan who was kind of populist when she ran for office and kind of had this idea of fixing the damn roads. You know, that's just music to the ears of this future president that just wants to fix infrastructure. That's one of his

biggest issues so he's certainly attracted by her amy klobuchar was also someone else that he was interested in bringing on board someone who he thought would be good but it became very clear that and then certainly his campaign advisors as well um believe that no it's not just enough to have a woman on the ticket we need a woman of color on the ticket. Because if you look back at Hillary Clinton, she lost a lot of the black vote because she chose... What does that mean of color, by the way? Right. It's dependent on the people that vote for Democrats.

Right. A big part of their... So I feel like he really wanted to pick a Gretchen Whitmer or an Amy Klobuchar. And certainly the Biden family was not happy with the idea of Kamala Harris as vice president. She's the one that actually came out and attacked him for being a racist. So when it became clear, if you remember Hillary Clinton, she chose Tim Kaine, one of the most vanilla people in the Senate, as her running mate.

And she also lost a lot of the black votes. So the smart people, consultants in Washington, are saying the times demand that we choose a woman of color, a black woman. They are the dumbest people I've ever met. So Biden looks at these options, and he has on his top of the list as he's heading into it, it's Kamala Harris, Susan Rice is even being considered seriously shows that she was, that, you know, they do not want Kamala. Susan Rice was Jill's favorite. But ultimately, between his conversations with his donors, with his advisors, and certainly with Obama himself, he was urged to sort of put the past behind him and choose Kamala Harris. So it's interesting. I know Susan Rice pretty well,

and I think she's a scary person who's motivated basically by hate, but she's capable. She's a real person. Kamala Harris is not a real person. She's totally fraudulent, just DEI pick. But Susan Rice is not. Susan Rice is a pretty serious person. It might have been difficult to run a campaign with Susan Rice, right? Susan Rice is a pretty serious person. And like if you had...

It might have been difficult to run a campaign with Susan Rice, right? I don't know. I feel like she may have... I've always been kind of impressed by Susan Rice, even though I fear Susan Rice. And I think, I don't think she's a particularly good person, but I definitely have some respect for Susan Rice. She was my neighbor for years.

Oh, really? Yeah. You know know for any conservative they would see Susan Rice as the face of Benghazi why would you ever want that well the whole Benghazi story was bullshit in the first place and the amount of lying by conservative

media about Benghazi enrages me the point of Benghazi was they were moving weapons from Gaddafi's weapons stockpiles to Syria to fight an undeclared war that only hurt the United States. And a lot of those weapons were going to Islamic extremist groups. And that was the actual story. And that was suppressed because the neocons didn't want to talk about that. And I just sat in rage for years watching this Benghazi, I mean, the Benghazi story was real.

Right. People died. The reason for it. True tragedy. But no one was allowed to ask, like, what were all those CIA officers doing in Benghazi in the first place? Yeah, there was, I think it was Rand Paul, who was sort of the only one who focused on Did you ever hear anyone ask, like, what was that?

Wait, wait a second. Why? Yeah. Fascinating. Just as someone from DC, I'm like, wait a second. Why were there that many CIA personnel in this one town? Huh. And I remember asking that myself on television and having a producer say to me, that's not really the story.

And I was like, well, actually, I think it is the story. It's part of the story anyway. It's the context of the story. Right. Sorry. I've been mad about this for a decade. No, I'm only saying that I'm not- Susan Rice, right.

I'm not endorsing anything that Susan Rice has ever done. I think Susan Rice is one of the reasons that the country is so screwed up right now. All I'm saying is if your job is to run the government, you don't want to pick someone who's like pathetic, like Kamala Harris, who's not done a single thing in her entire life and is just clearly not a capable person, can't make a decision, doesn't have a clear vision. Doesn't have much experience

had never done anything, like even Obama delivered a great speech that everybody thought was the, had healed the nation. Obama's a talented guy He was a figure, right? Kamala Harris was never a figure. Exactly was a figure, right? Kamala Harris was never a figure. Exactly. And, I mean, Susan Rice.

They really wanted her to be. They started by calling her the female. It's just your classic rich, white, liberal view of the world. It only, all that matters is your skin color. Right. It's not so different from the segregationist view of the world, which they also supported. You know, their parents supported in the Democratic Party. It's just like, all that matters is what color you are. Anyway, whatever,

don't get me going. But okay, so they pick her. What's her relation? You say Jill Biden was actually for Susan Rice. Right. What is the relationship between Kamala and the Bidens once she gets chosen? So I really think that Joe Biden felt that Kamala would be his buddy. He really wanted a buddy vice president. And he really thought Kamala could rise to the occasion and learn how to be a good vice president. Because he had been a vice president. He knew what it took. For eight years.

For everything you can say about Joe Biden, he was very deferential to the president. And he was very loyal to him and worked very hard. Like Obama's not sort of a warm, glowing figure that wants to be friends with everybody. But Biden sort of wormed his way into a buddy type relationship with Obama. And they actually got along pretty well when they were in office, despite, you know, obvious frictions between the two camps. That always happens. But I think that he thought that Kamala Harris would sort of drop everything and become wholly united to his vision and his campaign. But they found out very soon after they took office that no, Kamala Harris had no interest in being Joe Biden's buddy,

had no interest in taking hard issues off his plate or defending him. I think it was very clear from the moment she got into office, she was here for the next step in her career, and she was going to do everything possible to sort of preserve her political future and not waste it on this aging Joe Biden, who is clearly on his way out. Nicely put, Charlie. Wait, so you're saying that Joe Biden picked a ruthless careerist loyal to

no one but herself and was shocked to discover that she was a ruthless careerist loyal to no one but herself. And someone who was not competent. And she's dumb. Wow. Do you think they were really surprised by that? I think so. I think Biden really thought that she would rise to the occasion and realize the nature of the job. Well, he was senile then, huh? Yeah, I guess so.

But yeah, it became very clear that she was not there to help him. She was there to the next step in her career. And she kind of has this, kind of has this, this kind of aspect goes back throughout her entire career, right? She rises with Willie Brown, and then when Willie Brown leaves office, she kicks him under the bus, basically saying if he commits any crimes, I'm going to throw him in jail.

And sort of kicks him under the bus as someone that's no longer politically relevant. She said that? Yeah. When she's running for district attorney, that's all people wanted to talk about. This is the woman who dated Willie Brown. She's obviously corrupt. And she's like, no, Willie Brown, I'm done with him. He has no influence on me, even though he's behind the scenes raising money for her.

She essentially throws Willie Brown under the bus. I don't think it's a good idea to date Kamala Harris. That's the picture that's emerging. Right, right. Do you agree with that? Certainly not in her early career. No. And she didn't eventually- I just want people listening to this to remember, do not date Kamala Harris. Unless you're Doug Emhoff. And then perhaps you can get remarried to a 50-year-old woman

who has a career path into national politics. He's pretty tough on the ladies, though. I mean, he runs a tight ship. He'll smack you in the valet line if you get mouthed. There's been some great reporting at the Daily Mail about that. Sir, I'm getting ahead of the story. So, Joe Biden thinks that Kamala Harris is going to be his little friend. Right.

His little black friend, actually. His cool black friend. Or certainly a supportive force to sort of ease up all the tension he's getting from women and black people. Maybe Kamala will help. Try and make the ladies settle down. Yeah, yeah. So he really, because Obama did this to Biden, right? Anytime he had a thorny issue, he'd be like,

I'm going to put Sheriff Joe in charge of this, and he's going to take care of it. And Biden realized what Obama was doing, but he just sort of grinned and be like, yep, I'm the vice president. This is what we do. So right away, the first thing for Kamala Harris, was doing, but he just sort of grinned and be like, yep, I'm the vice president. This is what we do. So, right away, the first

thing for Kamala Harris, it's like, we need you to take a thorny issue off our plate. We're going to put you in charge of immigration. And we all saw how that went, right? And she was very adamant about, I'm not in charge of immigration. I'm not the

immigration czar. I'm only in charge of immigration. I'm not the immigration czar. I'm only in charge of root causes in the Northern Triangle. He was just very adamant about that. Even correcting Joe Biden behind the scenes when he's in Congress, he's like, and Kamala is going to take care of the immigration problem. And she would be like, actually, no, Mr. President, I am only handling the root causes of immigration. Maybe it's Mayorkas or somebody else that's actually going to handle the immigration problem for you because that's not my job. But, you know, now we have this whole thing like she was never the border czar, but she was in charge of the messaging on immigration when she made her trip to Guatemala and told migrants, do not come. If you come, I believe you'll be sent away. Well, we all saw how effective that messaging was.

So it's very clear that the administration really wanted her to take this issue off the plate to be the messenger on immigration and she sort of wriggled out of that assignment ultimately you know did she succeed in any aspect of the root causes i think they might have some metrics to say she did but did she fix mexico she certainly didn't finish oh fix any root causes as we know it's also absurd um and root causes is always a dodge not that there aren't root causes there. But whenever you see a politician pivot from the problem to its root causes, you realize that politician is just punting. Right. Yeah.

So what was, in the end, Joe and Jill Biden's view of Kamala Harris? Disappointment, I think. I think they really hoped she would rise to the occasion. There's reporting done that, you know, Joe Biden said that she was work in progress just two months ago. He still believes that she was making her way, but probably hadn't risen and seized the imaginations

of the American public as well as they had hoped as being this sort of transformational figure, historic figure, right? Like, how can you not just instantly become an American icon? Yeah. But with Kamala Harris, it was a very big struggle. American icon. Certainly Obama was an American icon, right? Yeah. She's a member of the master race, so we have to worship her.

But no, that's not how it really works. In the end, if I can just restate the obvious, Obama, who I think was evil and bad for America, but he was really talented. And I don't think it was because he was black. He's just talented. No. He was very talented and very, but it was people like Joe Biden who's like, wow, he was the one on the record, praising him for being an articulate black guy.

It just shows how racist the rich white liberal is because all they see in Obama is black. And they're like, oh, we just get some black person in here, someone we can call black, that person will become an American icon. And it's like, oh, we just get some black person in here, someone we can call black. That person will become an American icon. And it's like, no, that's, you kind of have to earn it, right? And imagine if you're Kamala Harris, right? You're brought into the Democratic Party as this transformational figure, as this icon.

They view you as the female Obama. It's very insulting, right? It's so insulting. It's insane. And this happened with Tulsi Gabbard, too. Because if you remember, and she's done a number of great interviews with Rogan, with you, where she talks about how when she first got, when she was first elected to Congress, the Democratic Party immediately brings her into the higher echelons of power.

Not the important ones, right? The vice chair of the DNC? Yeah. Bring her into these positions because she's seen as this obvious person that we need to center our agenda on to show how diverse and how open we are to new personalities and new people and how fresh and young and interesting we are. And the minute she diverts from the, you know, she talked about this, how she was celebrated by all Democrats. And the minute she diverts from the agenda to warn about war in Syria, which is something she profoundly believes

in, war, she's been to war, she does not like war. But the minute she diverts from the agenda, everyone's like, oh, I'm so sorry. Your political career is over. And now we're going to ostracize. They never listened to what she said. I mean, her views didn't change. No. She believed that when she got elected from Hawaii.

But all they saw was the way she looked. Because they're racist and they judge people on the basis of their race. That's the definition of racist. And they saw her and they're like, oh, she's not white, therefore she's great. And they never heard a word she uttered. Even when she ran for president, they just ignored her. Well, by that point they hated her because they finally picked up on the fact that she was against their whole agenda. Right. And she took out one of their star their star people well she's tough yeah and she's great she's genuine she believes in things she's not fake tough like harris right

yeah it's like on the verge of tears when brett bayer asked her a question that's like oh my gosh um so jill biden is very famous in dc this is a product of my reporting from living down the street from her as like a real bitch, as someone who's, you know, tough and nasty. And I always have- Tough girl from Philly. And she's on the record saying, I am willing to forget the attacks. I will never forgive. Yeah. I mean, she's that, I mean, that's certainly, you know, her reputation in DC over the

35 years I lived in the same city as her, she was definitely regarded as a bitch. So I always wondered, how did she get along with Kamala Harris? Now, I don't think they ever got along. I think, and it was very clear in events, they say the things like, we're so proud of you. Thank you, Kamala. Yeah, yeah, right. When she was selected, you know, Jill Biden was there to offer cookies and pretend that everything's normal. But yeah, you don't forget those kinds of attacks against your husband. But good for her, by the way. I'm on Dr. Jill's side on that one.

Right. Like, you're obviously part of, have been in politics for a very long time, so you're used to people attacking your husband. And certainly with Joe Biden, he was attacked for, he always wanted to be president and he was always pushed aside by the elites, so she did have a chip on her shoulder. Yeah. Fair. Yeah. And even Joe Biden himself. I mean, when they finally reached this position, they are people who were repeatedly thrust out of the conversation and pushed aside and mocked and belittled until they needed him. And so, oh, but wait, you get four years and then

it's time for you to go. We're done with you. So what happened? I mean, this just happened this summer. Yeah. But it's maybe because it did just happen. It's hard to understand exactly what that was. What do you think that was? And did Kamala Harris have a role? I assume she had a role in pushing Biden out, of course. Right. The official narrative is that she woke up one morning and had pancakes and bacon with her nieces and was working on a puzzle. And Joe Biden called her out of the blue and said, I'm getting out of the race and I'm going to endorse you for president.

And then she jumped and got on the phone and within 12 hours on the phone she wrapped up the entire nomination. That's the story? That's the official story. Is it actually? Yeah. She single-handedly got on the phone eating anchovy pizza

and sweats wearing her sweats and made enough phone calls to where she could wrap up the entire nomination in a day. So this is the Soviet Union at this point. That's the official narrative. They tell lies that are so absurd. They know we're not going to believe them, but they don't care. They have actually—I missed all this. That was the story they told? That's sort of the official story

well that's just soviet i mean that's just absolutely crazy yeah so but we know for three weeks maybe four from from after the debate in june to the day that joe biden announced that he was stepping down there was a furious amount of activity behind the scenes. Pelosi, Schumer. And you know that Kamala Harris has to publicly backing Joe the whole way. But what are her people doing behind the scenes? Is there no effort to sort of make sure that you're being considered? Come on.

To be his heir, which is your rightful position? These are politicians politics is what they do right i mean that's why they got into this that's how their brains work there's people behind you who are working of course like of course you can claim to my ability i was doing nothing yeah there's people who support you who who will get power from you if you were elected that are working on your behalf. That just happens organically out of our political system, right? It's been going on for generations. So you have to imagine that there was always going to be this idea that there might be an actual convention where we go and choose the candidate that we want. There might be a democratic process. It's like a, yeah, like a democratic process.

What do they call it? A brokered convention? Yeah. Or democracy, I think they call it. I think, yeah, something like that. Because it's so fragile. So very fragile, but so very strong. Well, it obviously doesn't exist.

If your presidential candidate gets the job without anyone voting on it, then you don't have democracy. Right. So I think that Pelosi and people did want to see a choice because they had hoped that the strongest candidate would emerge. I think a lot of the reason why Biden ran for re-election in the first place is because he and many in the Democratic Party, and certainly in 2023, nobody thought that Kamala Harris could win a race for president against Donald Trump. Not even win a primary. They just didn't think she was ready.

And that's what's so fascinating. Like, when I published the book, a lot of what I was reporting and researching was 23 in D.C. when Washington, D.C. had thoroughly rejected her and were even having conversations of, why not get rid of her entirely on the ticket? We need somebody else if Joe Biden's going to win again. So that we went from there. I mean, Washington's cruel, right? You show up and you are not ready and you make mistakes, as she clearly did during her first three years,

and that's pretty well chronicled, then they turn on you. They don't see you as valuable. And they had officially, most of Washington thought she was a complete joke. She didn't have, you know, there's not like these defenders or people who actually want to see you succeed in Washington.

They're all rooting for your failure, and they only respect you if you prove them wrong. And Kamala Harris clearly wasn't proving them wrong at this point in 23 so when she's ultimately kept on the ticket it's for obvious reasons like we can't just kick her aside and and bring gretchen whitmer in to save the day to run with joe biden right it's tough yeah it's tough you're you're beheld by the same identity politics that you embrace to get her to this position. Oh, yes. Hung by your own petard.

Yes, that is, I mean, it was obvious this was going to happen. I wasn't surprised at all. I was a little surprised that she picked Tim Walls. If you want a gay guy, why not just go with Pete Buttigieg? What was the thinking there? I don't know too much other than what's been reported, right? It's just that ultimately she selected Tim Walz. She had a prior relationship.

In fact, Tim Walz first appeared on the campaign trail when she went to Minnesota to visit a Planned Parenthood clinic for being the historic first vice president to actually campaign at a Planned Parenthood clinic for being the historic first vice president to actually campaign at a Planned Parenthood clinic. At an abortion clinic. Tim Walls was right there cheering her on. Kind of wholesome, uplifting deal. Right. Like, this is what we're for. These are totally normal people. Right. And so I think that

she met him there and at various points in her career and found him to be an entertaining figure. Like entertaining figure, likable figure, right? Entertaining figure. You know, we met at an abortion clinic, and he seemed kind of fussy and bubbly,

and so I thought I would pick him. Yeah. They actually met at an abortion clinic. I don't know if that's the first time, but that was definitely a pivotal moment, right? This is... Okay. Wow, I didn't know that that's it's one of the first times you see tim walls on camera which i didn't recognize him at the time but going back

and looking at her speeches there he's right behind her clapping the whole time so i you know you assess people by what they do but also by their relationships who are they close to and in her case i'm looking at the men in her life and i see well obviously montel williams and willie brown right i know both of them um i like them both better than the men currently in her life but the men now in her life would be her dad who is not in her life in her life writing an op-ed attacking her not invited to her own inaugural you see tim walls who is you know I guess her little gay friend or whatever, but creepy guy, they hang out at abortion clinics together. And then you see her husband, the nanny impregnator who smacked a woman in the face. what is that right when i did the reporting from the book and and i certainly did not pick up on this but in washington at the time he was widely celebrated widely liked they really people in washington people in washington dc really liked doug emhoff they thought he was

this gregarious fun character looks like it i loved being in power and was just a golfer doing the best he could to back up kamala harris and he would do all these panels about how his number one job was to you know defend this idea of of having a strong woman in office well they love the beta mail and it's always the beta mail was punching women in the face but whatever yeah but where did she meet him? Unfortunate. What is that? They met, I think it was right as she ran, right after she won her second term. I don't know, it would have been in 2014. But right as she's getting ready to go national. And she talks about in her book how it wasn't easy to be a political figure, being a single woman.

Talks about how she was treated differently and how it was a struggle. So I do think ultimately she, you know, I'm sure they had a great dating relationship and that they've found enough in common to where they felt that, you know, it was worth pursuing. Do you think she let him smack her around? I don't see that.

No. Yeah. I think Doug's been sufficiently... Tamed. Kept in his place. Yeah. He's been tamed by the... Despite all the reporting of who Doug was before,

like, he has definitely been put in his place. Yeah. And realizes his job, and he's enjoying the benefits of being a man who supports strong women. And I think that's why a lot of people... I think that was a step too far for a lot of the people that spoke to the daily mail it's like no you are not this but they

all are any male feminist has probably hit a woman i mean that's the whole point of being a male feminist is to hide the fact that you treat women hide the fact that you're a monster right obviously um every woman knows that by the way if you just ask a woman who are the men to be afraid of is the one who's always telling you how. Is that right? Oh, yeah. Any man who describes himself as a feminist is probably a physical danger to you. Yeah, for sure.

I mean, I'm from California, so I've seen this my whole life. And you lived in Washington, D.C. for a very long time. But Emhoff, did they publicly date? I missed all this. Was it well known that they were dating dating was he a big political figure in California who is he? no he's an entertainment lawyer and so he was connected by one of Connell's friends

and I think that they ended up together because obviously it's very good in this time of your life to not be a single person. I think that's, especially if you're pursuing higher office, you don't want to be a single person and you know. And you shouldn't be. It's right. And I'm not saying this in a mean way, just honestly, that kind of job is so hard if you're not going to have somebody in your corner.

Oh, I agree. I'm sympathetic to Kamala Harris in that way, for sure. And they very much talk about Doug as being this figure, someone she can come home and vent to and talk to. Even though she made the decision to go basically be the president when he's at SoulCycle exercising with friends, and he doesn't find out until he gets back to his car. No, he admitted being at SoulCycle with his gay friends yeah that's what he said and he said he didn't find this real I mean how could it not it just I was where else would you be how can you you like there has to be obvious evidence of that you wouldn't make up that story it's just so unbelievable imagine yourself saying that when my wife got the nod that she was going to run for president, I was at SoulCycle with my gay friends. I think he said that. That's right, he said. And then he said, when I got back

to my car, I picked up my phone and called her and she said, where the F have you been? Man, if one of my college roommates did something like that, I would call him up and say, what are you thinking? Seriously. Wouldn't you? Yeah. I would say, what?

Yeah. You made it. And certainly, yeah. I mean, it seems like she very much made the decision on her own without, you know, time to think about it with friends and family. Maybe they had had this discussion beforehand that if it,

if she ever got the call, she could just go for it. But it doesn't sound like, most politicians are like, well, I got just go for it. Doesn't sound like much. Most politicians are like, well, I gotta think about it with friends and family before I make the decision. No, you gotta talk to your husband. Right, your spouse. Yeah. Or your wife. Right.

Not friends and family, your spouse. At least your spouse, right. And then your kids. They don't have kids. She doesn't have kids, but yeah, then I guess your friends and family. but your spouse is the first person you talk to. At least you should at least have a phone call before you accept it. We both should be on the same page or you're not really married, right? Obviously.

These are obvious things to non-political people. It's not just Kamala Harris. She's not the only one with a fake marriage in politics. Like most of them seem to have those, but I just want to say that out loud because it is really sick. It's not normal. And we should just acknowledge that. So we remember what normal is.

Normal is when you have a marriage, it's a partnership, a full partnership, where if you're going to make a major life decision, you talk it over with your spouse. That's my experience. Well, of course, or else it's not a real marriage. Right. I mean, isn't that the whole point of marriage?

I think so. I thought so. Right. Well, it is. I'm not very familiar with sort of the marriages that you're describing. Well, that's just a roommate situation. Yeah. So, wow. These stories came out in your paper. Can you just describe, maybe people haven't been reading the Daily Mail. So, what are the stories that we've, what have we learned about Doug Emhoff? Right, that he had this relationship with this pretty professional, pretty successful female lawyer, and that he struck her in the face when they were at a public event together. And then afterwards, he kind of forced his way into her taxi,

even after the incident, and basically was like, well, this is just the product of our relationship. And this woman is clearly very upset, very frightened by what he's done. But he doesn't necessarily, it's not, there's no attempt to heal or it just seems like it's the product of what happened that night and he certainly doesn't seem to repented from that certainly not publicly okay so the bottom line is he was dating a woman there in can france south of france right at the film festival but at some aids event as i remember yeah and he hits her in the face waiting out of jealousy she says waiting for their car in the valley line I think that's the allegation is is it real I mean it's October of

an election year do you believe that's a real story certainly like the evidence that we've gathered in the fact and the testimony you know the evidence from that night is certainly more real than any other accusation we've heard about um a lot of men politicians recently really um can you imagine if maybe somebody accused mike pence of doing that right would they would the media actually care about that? I don't know. That's a whole nother, Mike Pence is a whole nother story, man. I don't know what to think there. Right.

Or any other. No, no, of course. No, I see your point. That if the partisan positions were switched, of course. If Donald Trump Jr. was slapping women in the face, would that be a big story? Really hard, spinning her around with his hand. Right. So, but when you say testimony, can you tell us what that is?

You talked to other people who were there? Well, it wasn't my story at the Daily Mail. I understand. But yeah, the reporters who worked on the story and the editors who worked on the story spoke with a lot of witnesses about what had happened, who recall that day, the day that she called them to tell them what happened. And this, you know, corroborated evidence with evidence of the flight ticket. There's certainly enough there. And you had a great conversation with Megyn Kelly who came away, you know, Megyn Kelly's pretty a sharp lawyer, right? She came away saying, she, it was very interesting to hear her talk about it and

say, you know, I believe it all. She's A, experienced these type of men that do these things, and B, knows enough to smell whether or not a story is fake. Yeah, I guess. And who does he go to to sort of wipe it all away? Joe Scarborough from NBC. That is so funny. Joe Scarborough. Joe Scarborough is like, well, what about all this stuff

in the tabloids? And Doug Emhoff just looks him straight in the eyes like, we can't get distracted from our mission here. Oh, so Emhoff never denied it? No. I think his team did in some passive language, but he certainly hasn't, personally. So, but bottom line,

you're convinced, and again, you work at the publication that ran this story, that this is a real person, and your reporters... Oh, I've heard people say, oh, we know who this woman is. Like, if the mainstream media was actually concerned about validating the story, they could pursue it. But as is often the case when you have an uncomfortable narrative

in the last days of an election, you know, I guess we didn't get censored, right? They didn't call it Russian disinformation and ban us from social media. I think they're trying to just make it go away. They really would like it to go away. Yeah, of course. Which it will. And the fact that you're talking about it and megan kelly is talking about

it is very inconvenient for their campaign you know it just it's look i i just want to be consistent however i don't like doug emhoff's politics i feel sorry for him um just because his life seems depressing but i don't like his politics but i also know that there have been a lot of people whose politics i also don't like who've been destroyed by false accusations of sexual harassment, physical abuse. Like, there's a lot of falseness around Me Too claims, including people I know. And I had one of them on the other day, Mark Alperin. And so, I just want to be fair. Right.

And I'm also really uncomfortable with any accusation from an anonymous source against someone we name. Like, so we name the person who's been accused, but we don't name the accuser. I just want to say for the record, I think that's immoral. I don't think we should have anonymous accusations, but whatever, it seems very common now. But I just want to make sure that that,

so you believe this, they know who this this is and this seems like a real thing? Right. I do believe it. And when you have multiple witnesses that are willing to say something, it means that they're deeply upset by what happened. And not only that, they're deeply upset by the person he's being portrayed. And they saw it happen. Witnesses, you interviewed, your paper interviewed witnesses who saw it happen. I think that they were witnesses who were

there, who the woman talked to, right? Wow. The woman who, you know, this isn't, this isn't, you know, we can't be too cavalier, but this isn't a Christian, Christine Blasey Ford accusation. Yeah. This is something where multiple people are corroborating. And it wasn't 40

years ago. Right. This is something that happened very recently amazing do you think that story has penetrated at all well certainly

you and Megan have talked about a lot which yeah has and Donald Trump made a joke

about it well not about the violence story but he made a joke about the

nanny story so that story is that Emhoff impregnated his nanny right and that that just seems like a fact he actually addressed it and said that yes it happened about the nanny story. So that story is that Emhoff impregnated his nanny. Right.

And that just seems like a fact. He actually addressed it and said that, yes, it happened. Huh. Has Kamala said anything about it? No. And it's one of those stories, right? You don't ask about that if you ever want to get an interview with Kamala Harris again. That's not something you those stories, right? You don't ask about that if you ever want to get an interview with Kamala Harris again. That's not something you bring up, right?

So certainly a lot of media figures aren't interested in asking about that story. How do you assess the coverage of her? Just kind of meta question here as a reporter, as someone who's really tried to cover Kamala Harris. Yeah, that's what I've kind of, you know, because I remember Obama, and I remember how the media was, how they acted during the Obama administration. And if they had actually held

him accountable on a few things, then it might have gone better. I think as a journalist, you kind of want to just hold people accountable and puncture through, like, their false narratives, reveal who they really are, kind of expose their weaknesses,

warn the American people, like, this is the type of person that you would vote for. This is how they act behind the scenes. This is who they really are. We're not going to let the politician tell their own story. That's not good for America. That's not good for democracy. You have to know the full story and you have to have impartial people looking

into it. But Kamala Harris, as a hero of the civil rights movement, has exclusive rights to her own story, right? You don't get to tell her story. Right. And you can write your book. Every politician writes a book before they run for a higher office. Look at Ron DeSantis. He published a

book telling his whole story. But we don't just take the biography and run with it as the next American icon. They have to earn that. And certainly... We get to ask questions, don't we? That's what we like to do, I think, is actually

uncover interesting things about people and paint a bigger portrait than just the one that's on their campaign ad, their campaign slogan. So I do, I do find that very rewarding. I think every journalist should find that rewarding. Like who is the real Kamala Harris?

What does she believe in? Turns out not much. If there's any issue she's never changed her position on or one issue she actually cares about and can speak passionately about, it's abortion. I think that's her number one. Why do you think she's so, is this someone who never had children?

I'm not attacking her. I feel sorry for her. Children are a source of joy, really the only enduring source of joy. So speaking of joy, I'm definitely not attacking her for that at all. I feel really bad for her. But it's just interesting that someone who never had kids would be so committed to abortion.

Like, what do you think that is? Yeah, I'm not sure. It's obviously something that she has dealt with. She's obviously had people in her life who have dealt with this. Has she had an abortion? Has anyone asked her? She's never publicly said anything about it. When someone asks her, she's constantly talking about other people's

abortions and abortion abortion abortion abortion why is it out of bounds say have you had an abortion right because if you had you would certainly expect that you would be this you would champion that moment since it's the expression of human freedom if i'm running around talking about how we need how you know abortion subsidized appendectomies then I think it's fair to say, have you ever had an appendectomy? Right. If there's nothing to be ashamed of, then why does nobody ask her? I don't get that. I'm kind of sick of playing along with all this stuff, I must say.

All these weird taboos that only serve one political party, where there's some things you're supposed to talk about, but only in a certain way. Other things you're never allowed to talk about. Certain people have a right to tell their own story. Other people who have no right to talk at all like i'm just who makes these rules and why are we playing along with them right has any pro-choice woman who is in political office shared her experience of having an abortion yeah i mean i really just for the record don't want to hear about other people's abortions or abortion at all it's killing it's great but if it is the act of ultimate human freedom and you campaign on this. But they're the ones who are talking about it constantly.

So maybe you would consider that this would be. But if Brett Baer had said to her the other night, you know, Madam Vice President, have you ever, you talk about abortion law, have you ever had one? I mean, I think he would have been fired from his job for saying that. And he certainly would become instantly a villain. And you sort of wonder, like, why? If there's nothing wrong with abortion, if you're supposed to shout your abortion. Or like Tim Walz is very obviously gay. I look at him, I'm like, well, you're gay.

And I'm sure I'll be attacked for saying that. Maybe he's not gay, but he certainly seems gay. Right. And you immediately say, where's your evidence? I don't have any evidence. I'm just saying the guy looks super, super gay to me, but they're the ones always running on being like, it's great to be gay.

Okay. If it's great to be gay, then why is it an attack on him for me to say that? And why would it be out of bounds to be like, hey, Tim Walls, you seem super gay. Are you gay? Have you ever slept with dudes? Like if you ask that question, you would, you'd be fired from your job. You're just asking that now. It's very controversial, right? But why ever slept with dudes? Like, if you asked that question, you would be fired from your job.

You're just asking that now. It's very controversial, right? But why would it be controversial? If there's nothing wrong with it, then why is it so offensive to ask that question? Like, this doesn't make any sense. I think ultimately Democrats feel like these issues are very private, which is why they campaign so strongly. They're so private?

Really? You've got a LGBTQ plus parade in San Francisco, New York, Seattle, every big city in the country where people are having sex in the street. So it's not private. Right.

They're telling my kids constantly that it's a good thing. So there's nothing private or forbidden or taboo about it now, right? Just to be clear, those are their rules. Right, and then you have Tim Walsh who's like, keep the hell out of my bedroom. We are the party of privacy.

But if there's nothing wrong with being gay, which is certainly a position, in fact, it's morally superior to being heterosexual, obviously they say that, in effect, if the State Department's pushing it on every country around the world, then why would it be somehow crazy or out of bounds or taboo or offensive for me to say to Tim Walz, you seem gay. It's not an attack. Right. Are you gay? But you know as well as I do

that if I had an employer, which I don't, I would immediately be fired for saying that. So like, what is that? That doesn't make any sense. And why are we playing along with it? That's my point. Yeah. I'm not going to ask that question. And by the way, I wouldn't either because I don't really want to know about Tim Walz's sex life. I don't want to know about anyone's sex life. I want to stop talking about our sex lives, actually, immediately. Right. And I want the State Department to stop forcing other people in other countries to talk about their sex lives.

I just want to declare a truce on race and sex and abortion. I don't want to hear about your abortion at all. I don't want you to talk about abortion. Shut up about abortion, about your sex life, about your race. That's the world that I want to live in, but they're not allowing me to live in that world. So as long as they're not allowing me to live in that world, why am I playing along with rules that are rigged against me? Right. These are fair questions, right? So why don't you ask Tim? Why don't you ask Tim Walsh that question?

About abortion? No, no. Just say, hey, Tim Walsh, you seem gay. Not attacking you, but I've seen the video of you doing jazz hands. Yeah. Are you gay? Have you ever had sex with a man? I don't know if I would.

I don't know if I would have enough evidence to make that question. No, no, no. Don't say it just like that. It just seems that way. It's kind of my impression. Are you gay? But that would go badly for you, wouldn't it? Right. I would never

ask that question. Not all of us have the freedom to ask that question or the same interest in that question. I don't have any interest in it. He's the one who's constantly... He's the one who ran a gay-straight alliance

where he's talking to children about their sex lives. So right there, that's a criminal offense in my book. You don't get to talk to other people's kids about their sex lives. Period. Freak. But he's bragging about it. Okay. Why am I barking at you? I probably don't mean to bark you i don't know just trying

to be rational for a second it makes sense you know when you learn when you look at the what our media has become and when you wonder when you look at the questions that they ask when they get the privilege you know interviewing a presidential candidate is now a privilege right bestowed on you and you have to demonstrate that you're worthy on a number of issues right the first person that got an interview with kamala harris was the woman from msnbc who publicly said she didn't need to do interviews and then suddenly she gets an interview so that's what our that's what our media has become right so you're you're filling me in on so much that I've missed. Who at MSNBC said that Kamala Harris didn't need to do interviews? Stephanie Ruhle.

Stephanie Ruhle? She was on Bill Maher and said Kamala Harris doesn't need to do interviews because it's so obvious that Donald Trump is the worst and that she's the best. I mean, I'm paraphrasing. Stephanie Ruhle, the perky business reporter? From MSNBC? Yeah, she was a business reporter. Really? I think so, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, she was the first one to ask, she was the first one to get a major, well, I guess Dana Bash got the first one, right, with Tim Walls and Kamala Harris. But Stephanie Ruhl got the first solo sit-down with Kamala Harris. I think that's true.

And yeah, she publicly said on Bill Maher that why does she even need to do media when it's very obvious that she's the best candidate compared to Trump. Wow. That's crazy. Right. She's just so great we don't need to talk to her. That's her position as journalists. Right. And she's the one who got the first interview. Right. She's just so great, we don't need to talk to her. That's her position as journalists. Right.

And she's the one who got the first interview. Right. I think it's because, I think Donald Trump said something nasty about her, so that obviously... About Stephanie Ruhl? Right. Which is why you instantly get elevated.

I don't know Stephanie Ruhl. We did not overlap. I once worked there. She's good on camera, but I haven't seen her on TV in a long time because I don't have a TV. Right. You're free. Well, I am kind of free, but I also miss stuff. So I'm grateful that you're filling me in.

That's amazing that she said that. Yeah. So I just want to boil it down. And these are just my perceptions. And you can obviously disagree, but i don't think you're likely to get a kamala harris interview hope springs eternal no it's very true she has uh it's been reported that she has an enemy's list of reporters because she's very thin-skinned when it comes to coverage she hates anything poorly written and i think one of the biggest examples

of that was when she was very angry with the Vogue cover that came out after she won the vice presidency. She was very displeased with this Vogue cover of her standing there in her chucks, her sneakers. And she was very upset by that. It was one of the first controversies of her life. So Vogue was too tough on her? Vogue ran a very a very insensitive, racially insensitive, ignorant cover. And she was very displeased by that.

What, was it a candid? She didn't know she was posing for a Vogue photo shoot? No, she was posing. She just didn't know that would be the cover. She got to choose the outfits and the background, but that was supposed to be inside the magazine, but not the cover. But it was racist to put her on the cover.

Oh, she was very upset about it. People found it very demeaning. Are you serious you serious yeah it was one of the biggest controversy before she even took office this was one of the biggest controversies of her career and that was even even the narcissism of rich people in this country is just it really doesn't even the biden team communications team was like can we tone it down a little bit of it we doesn't have limits. Even the Biden team, communications team was like, can we tone it down a little bit? We don't want this to be the first major controversy of our ministry. We haven't even taken office yet. And this is already.

What was racially insensitive about it? I'm not sure. I think portraying her in a casual manner was something she did not appreciate. I thought she was, she was a joyful warrior. A joyful casual warrior. So you just can't with someone like that. Right, but the point is that she has an enemy's list of reporters who don't appreciate her rise to power,

and any time that they stray from the official Kamala Harris narrative, then she's not going to do an interview with you. Which is why you have so many reporters being very cautious, very careful. And she certainly earned that reputation throughout her whole presidential campaign. I mean, reporters and editors were very familiar with getting angry responses from the way they covered Kamala Harris as a presidential candidate. I honestly feel like this is like some kind of weird right-wing parody meant to discredit people like Kamala Harris. I mean, she's like living down to every stereotype, but totally fragile, indecisive, narcissistic. This is not the female leadership you were promised at all.

This is like, this is discrediting. Are all politicians narcissistic? Yes, pretty much. They are, for sure. Oh, definitely. She's not the only one. I just want to be clear. But also, you know, being thin-skinned, narcissistic,

very adamant about how you're covered, and very angry with how you're treated. That's kind of... If she called Vogue racist, then we're dealing with... I don't think she actually said that, but people close to her were upset for that reason. Okay.

Last question. Are you going to make sure that she sees this interview? Do you think she'll watch? Is she going to send this over to her press team? Yeah, I think I will. And see if they have any response. But ultimately... I think that's going to affect her access.

There's a lot of people who are talking about Kamala Harris in a way that she would not approve of. And up until this point, she's decided just to ignore it. But I think there's enough people talking about... You've had some great people on who

including an attorney from San Francisco what's her Armie Dillon Armie very very she was not a source for the book

but very insightful growing up in that neighborhood and experiencing Kamala Harris for who she is I mean very insightful interview

and I think there's a lot of people talking about who the real Kamala Harris is that I think that's why ultimately she feels like about who the real Kamala Harris is that I think that's why ultimately she feels like she has to come out and do a media tour because she has

to distract from the conversations that are actually taking place. It's not working well. You'd think she'd feel obligated just because that's how democracy works. Voters have a right to information about you before they vote on you. Right. But she doesn't feel that way.

Well, and obviously as these news institutions lose the power to control the masses and cheerlead for you, even though you don't give them interviews, then what's the benefit? Yeah, I mean, we don't have a working, it's just North Korean press agency here. So, yeah. Well, bless you and the Daily Mail and anyone else who retains a commitment to telling the truth, you know, imperfectly because we're people.

But, you know, trying, I don't think we can function as a free country without it. So, I appreciate your doing it. Well, thanks so much for having me. Charlie, thank you very much. Thanks for listening to the Tucker Carlson Show. If you enjoyed it, you can go to TuckerCarlson.com to see everything that we have made. The complete library.