The Underworld Podcast - Scotland's Narco Blood Feud Explodes!
Episode Date: June 10, 2025When cops on the English coast busted a bid to bring in a huge shipment of cocaine in 2020, it sent shockwaves through the underworld hundreds of miles north in Scotland, where the drugs were destined... for, and reignited a bitter feud between the Lyons and Daniel crime families that had simmered for almost two decades. Today, with a third, international gang entering the fray, the feud has spilled into all-out war, with residents of Glasgow and Edinburgh watching in horror as homes burn and bodies drop. But how did it all begin — and where will the violence end? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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It's September 2020 in Dover, a town on the kink coast some 80 miles southeast of London,
and Britain's border force is about to hit the jet pot.
It's six months since cops all over Europe cracked encrochat.
a messaging service used by the continent's biggest narco traffickers.
And the Dover team is sure there is a big shipment of cocaine hidden in consignments of fruit
arriving from Latin America.
They've already searched 17 loads in that time.
They found nothing.
But you know what they say?
18th times a charm.
And on this chilly day, tucked inside dozens of cardboard boxes full of Ecuadorian bananas,
are 119 parcels wrapped tightly.
in tin foil. When the officers cut into the packages, they discover almost a thousand blocks of
cocaine, a ton of the drug in total, with a street value of well over a hundred million US dollars.
The boxes are on their way to David Bilsland, a grocer by trade, but cops are more interested
in his underworld connections and his market stores. The 63-year-old is from Glasgow, 500 miles north of
him and he's linked to one of Scotland's most notorious gangsters, a man whose reputation for
cold-bloodedness has earned him the nickname the Ice Man and whom others have described as Scotland's
answer to Tony Soprano. Bilsland expects to shift the gear from Dover in trucks belonging to his
own firm, but the bust, part of a police op called pepperoni that spans the UK, Spain, Ecuador and
tellingly, Abu Dhabi, has made sure that will never happen.
Instead, Billsland, a gangster named Jamie Stevenson and four others,
are banged up for their blunders in the Great British Bodge Banana Box border bust.
It's one of the border forces' biggest seizures in years, a huge success, but only on paper.
Because Billsland and Stevenson have been around for years,
and they're key players in a bitter family feud for control of Scotland.
Scotland's lucrative cocaine, heroin and benzodia markets.
A feud that has, for over two decades,
seen daylight assassinations, high-speed car chases,
and gruesome machete attacks.
Cops know that every time they take a win,
there's going to be a power struggle in the underworld.
And with Billsland and Stevenson behind bars,
their enemies in Glasgow, Edinburgh,
and far further afield will spot a chance to bury them.
By 2024, the feud has spilled into an all-out war.
Homes are firebombed, gang associates shot, stabbed and threatened.
Even kids have been targeted.
Cop numbers are down since the pandemic,
and detectives fear their sleepwalking into something even more brutal
than the razor wars that slept Glasgow in the 1920s and 30s,
or even the blood-soaked ice cream wars of the 80s.
Those guys, they never had social media.
But today's mobsters are desperate.
to Instagram their crimes, posting videos of burning vehicles and homes, accompanied by poetic
threats and a pulsing Motown soundtrack. Among them, a new crew has come to Scotland. Its skull
and cross-rifle badge is a grim, ultra-violent watermark throughout. It calls itself Tamohunto,
which doesn't sound very Scottish, and it isn't. Tamahunto's boss lives a thousand miles away,
and he's got connection to some of the scariest gangs on the planet. In Spain,
Dubai and in the favelas of Brazil.
Tamohunto, we're together in Portuguese.
The feud just took a giant leap into the abyss.
Over the coming months, as Glasgow and Edinburgh burn,
details about this shady new character's life will leak in local media.
He's in Dubai, we've links to Glasgow's football hooligan scene,
embed with the mighty Kinnahun cartel,
and heir to Latin American cocaine routes bequeathed by a pair of fallen.
others. Some call him Mr Big, others, Miami. Whether or not he'll emerge from the shadows,
the Kingpin's men in Scotland aren't afraid to publicise their rampage of terror. These rats have
been thieving for a long time, one of their messages reads, addresses Billsland Stevenson's
criminal pals. It's time for people to stand together as one and remove this vermin from our
streets. Welcome to the Underworld podcast. Hello everyone and welcome to a weekly dose of true
crime that dives into the criminal underworlds that affect all of our lives whether we like it or not.
I am Sean Williams, an investigative reporter and aspiring golfer in New Zealand and I'm joined
as ever by filmmaker Danny Gold, who is once again in Spotify's shiny New York office while
I'm just sat here in the cold in my apartment. It's winter here and cold Danny. It's summer there.
Have you been enjoying that New Yorkie?
No, dude, it's been pretty cold and rainy, haven't been able to tan.
I also don't think I made a film in like five years, but, but okay.
Ah, all right.
Well, I was coming to you from some positively.
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that out. And if anyone's interested, I was on a recent episode of the Jordan Harbinger show
chatting about Chinese money laundering and North Korea. I think I'm also on an upcoming episode
of Bordland talking about the Pacific Drug Highway. And that's something we covered back here
at the beginning of this year, I think. Now, this show actually comes from a tip by listener,
Henry Smith. And if you've got any topics or stories, you think we should follow up on,
reach out the Underworld podcast at gmail.com. Thanks, Henry, for getting in touch with this one.
Actually, I think like you were saying it earlier, there's a bunch of people who've reached
out about this topic because it's pretty nuts. And if you're listening from Scotland,
you are going to know all about what is happening between Edinburgh and Glasgow right now.
There's firebombs, murders, campaigns of terror.
Hasn't been this bad in a long, long time. But if you're anywhere else, perhaps even in
England or the rest of the UK, you might even not know this is happening.
at north at all because there hasn't been a huge amount of media outside Scotland apart from one
one really good feature at the telegraphs a shout out to that but but this stuff is fully insane right
and it stretches all the way from Scotland to Ireland out to the middle east and Latin America
and a lot of it is wound around the bitterly fierce rivalry between the hardline ultras or hooligans
of scotland's two biggest football teams the old firm of rangers and celtic oh dude you know
I need to rewatch Football Factory.
That movie completely rules.
Great movie.
I love that scene where they're talking about the size of H.O.S.
Anyway, yeah, yeah, that is a good, that is a good film.
We'll touch on that a bit later on the football stuff.
But what I basically mean is that none of what you're going to hear today is happening in a vacuum, right?
The current gang war is actually a direct product of violence going back to decades
and blood feuds that have raged in a Scottish narco underworld ever since.
Why do people in the UK love cocaine so much, Sean?
I think because of the weather day and the general disposition of the best.
Actually, that adds up.
Adds up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anyway, before we dive into all that, a quick note to check our episode on Glasgow's Ice Cream Wars,
which did rage in the mid-80s over control of heroin supply via ice cream vans, of course,
to the city's most deprived slum areas.
It's going to give you a good idea of just how bad things were back then.
And some of the background on how Glasgow's most notorious criminals came to.
to rule the roost. But while the ice cream van wars arguably end in 2003, when drug lord Tam
McGraw flees Glasgow for Ireland, gang-related killings continue. In 2004, 83 people lose their
lives in mostly knife attacks, and this is of a city of just 600,000 people. And it
prompts the World Health Organization in 2005 to dub Glasgow, the quote, murder capital of Europe.
Yeah, that's actually a lot, like, especially for a place without that many guns.
I mean, it's not Mexico or Brazil, but that's U.S. numbers right there.
Yeah, I mean, it's especially crazy when you consider that Italy is just, it's just right there, guys.
There's plenty going on there.
Anyway, city officials are sparked into action, and police put in place a series of violence reduction units or VRUs to stem the flow of blood.
And it works.
So well, in fact, the experts from as far afield as Canada and New Zealand flock to see just how Glasgow did it.
A story for another show, perhaps similar to post-Escobar Medellin in some ways.
Yeah, now the major issue in Medellin is, you know, guys going up from the states and Canada
getting scopolamined by the woman they thought were totally into them for their personality.
Yeah, I had a friend who did a documentary on that, and he said it was the darkest shit he ever
reported. It was really grim. Yeah, anyway, while cops are focused on stopping violence,
drug use in Glasgow and across Scotland, it soars.
Fewer organized criminals have been arrested.
and heroin is being joined on the streets by cocaine because, well, yeah, of course.
And benzodiazepine, more commonly known as benzos, which are pretty strong tranquilizers,
Valium and Xanax of benzos, for example.
Yeah, I mean, the worst.
Just pray you never have to get off those because they are, or go on them to the point you have to get off them because it's brutal, man.
Yeah, I think, I'm probably worse than a lot of other drugs.
I was going to do a personal anecdote, but let's not go there.
Add to this, the tightening of belts at City Hall, and fewer Bobby's on the beat, which
is policemen in public for American listeners, and you've got a pretty decent recipe for narcos to thrive.
All this time, the two biggest cruise in Scotland are the Daniel crime family and the Lions crime
family. Both emerge in the 1990s to serve Glasgow's lucrative drug market, then worth around
$400 million. Jamie Daniel, the head of his clan, has risen from scrap metal dealer to cigarette smuggler
to heroin kingpin, and the Daniels are the better established of the two groups.
But in 2001, a few kicks off when members of the Lions crew steal a five-figure consignment of Daniel cocaine in the Glasgow suburb of Milton during a house party.
Think Montague's and Capulets only with Stone Island jackets and face like chewed-up dog toys.
It really makes you proud to be British this stuff.
Now, this feud explodes in January 2003 when members of both sides are shot and injured in separate attacks.
Among these are the Daniels' chief enforcer, a crowd.
crackpot named Kevin Gerbil Carroll and Johnny Lyons, brother of Lions family leaders,
David and Eddie Sr. So far, so scrappy. In 2004, Gerbil Carroll is charged with
attempted to murder a Lions associate with an AK-47, but the case falls apart a trial
and he's a free man. Everybody's scared of him. The Paulus, I'm trying to do my
limby voice there. The cops, they are now very much aware of the feud and they're deploying more
resources to Glasgow's underworld. But in Carroll, they're up against by far the most unpredictable
player in the whole game, as near as a psychopath as they come in love with the violence.
His rival with the Lions clan goes back to childhood when he'd been bullied by members of the family
and age 19 he's jailed for three months for car theft. By his mid-20s, Carol is a hardened gangster
and the Daniels chosen man for dirty jobs.
And no job is dirtier, arguably,
than the one he carries out in November 2006.
Now that's when Carol, with the aid of a four by four in a rope,
tears down the gravestone of Eddie Lyons' senior son, Gary,
who had died in 1991, age just eight of leukemia.
What are the point?
Like, what's the point of these stunts?
I mean, this is for, like, teenagers to do to each other.
Like, this is just stupid.
Yeah, it's dumb, and it kind of like,
is the inciting thing that kicks off a bunch of violence thereafter. I mean,
days after this, Carol ambushes and shoots Eddie Lyons Jr. and one of his friends in a town
around 10 miles south east of Glasgow. A week after that, Carol himself is shot and injured,
yet again in Bishop Briggs, just north of the city, in what is clearly a revenge attack.
The following month, in December 2006, the Daniels Lions feud kicks into a whole new gear.
year. On the afternoon of December 6th, two men pull up outside a garage on a busy road in the
northern Glasgow suburb of Lambs Hill in a blue Mazda. Raymond Anderson and James McDonald
dressed in trench coats, pull on old man-faced masks and then step out of the car. The pair walk
inside, traffic flying by the whole time, and open fire. David Lyons, the garage owner, finds
cover. But his 21-year-old nephew, Michael, is shot.
and killed. Another nephew, Stephen Lyons, is also shot but survives, as does an associate who loses
a kidney. This murder, which a lawyer would describe at trial as, quote, as seen from the
Godfather, makes headlines across Britain. Anderson and McDonald are, of course, hit men for
the Daniels. Ten days afterwards, David Lyons gets a note through the mail. The boy is only 25,000
pounds and I want what's owed to me. It's for drugs. It reads. Very, very directing to the point. I like it.
Yeah. Yeah, they do it different up north. And it goes on quote, they all know what it's about.
The money doesn't matter to me as it's got to be paid to the piper. I don't want the police,
the boys, not even your wife knowing about it. If you keep them out of this, then all your lives
can go back to normal as we are all losing money through this. If you have any tricks for my pickup man,
then the deals are off. Remember to keep you.
your mouth shut. No cameras, no surveillance, as the pickup man doesn't know nothing so he's no
use to you. Drop off 4pm Saturday. I'll draw you a map, and X will mark the spot.
That's pretty threatening, but Lyons never pays the 25K. Instead, he hands the letter to the police.
Anderson and McDonald, meanwhile, have been on to surveillance since the December 6th shooting,
and they've hardly been discreet going around describing themselves as the untouchable
balls and talking about a mysterious piper, which you presume is probably the same piper in the letter
to David Lyons. The pair lead detectives to a house on the east side of Glasgow where they discover
a machine gun, grenades, an ammunition, plus a bunch of weapons that have been stolen from a nearby
army barracks. It's a pretty open and shut case, and in May 2008, a judge sentences Anderson
and McDonald to a Scottish record 35 years in prison, later knocked down to 30 on appeal for what he
describes as a quote, cold-blooded premeditated assassination. This is all the bloody conclusion
of an attempted power grabbed by the lions, basically. The Daniels had been on the scene since the
90s. They'd been the strongest, but the lions were young, impulsive, and thought they'd
spotted a chance to get the throne. But the December 2006 killing and the actions of Gerbil Carroll
are the Daniels way of snapping back, putting their rivals down. The
The Lions are weak at this point, they've lost a prominent family member.
Stephen Lyons, the nephew of David who wasn't killed in that garage, he flees to Spain.
And this is crucial, because it's over there that he meets members of the Kinnahann cartel,
the Irish mafia that's taking over Europe's cocaine trade, amalgamated into one giant,
so-called super cartel with capos from the Netherlands, Albania, and way further beyond.
We've done a bunch of shows on them, so go to your search bar, typing Kinna.
hand and get educated. But essentially, young Stephen Lyon is about to make connections in some
very high places. And they're going to pay dividends down the line. A bit like a Danny Gold
shit coin investment. How's that doing, by the way? Okay, dude. So, uh, not good, but we had a spur of the
moment trip to Atlantic City the other night with my, uh, my buddy Simon Ostrovsky, who's a fantastic
journalist who reports a lot on Ukraine stuff. And, uh, I don't know if you've ever been to
Atlantic City, but it is not a nice place to go. So we had a, uh, we had a system. And
The system did not work.
And you step up to the roulette table and the first spin is a double zero.
You should just leave the table, keep walking, walk out the door at the casino and then leave.
We did not do that.
And now I really need you guys to support the Patreon this month.
But also, Atlantic City is the only casino I've ever been to.
Why, we went to, where do you go, the Borgata and oceans, where the people working the tables, like the dealers and the table people, they're like significantly rude to you.
like they'll like give you shit for losing it's the exact opposite of Vegas where they like they're
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the song and that that's all you need uh anyway now in the story remember this podcast thing we're
doing we've rattled all the way out of yeah yeah forgot about that we're all the way up to late
2009. So the Daniels have beaten the lions into submission, and Gerbil Carroll,
lifetime member of the Psycho Club, he rules the streets of Glasgow. He carries out a series of
so-called alien abductions on rival dealers across Scotland. They're named because, having
been brutally tortured, beaten and robbed, none of the victims tell police they can remember
a thing about it. Jirbel was, by most accounts, a maniac, writes Glasgow Live, and incorrigible.
not a great combination.
Carol is unsurprisingly making enemies left and right.
It's getting more and more out of control,
and it's clear that if anybody's going to silence them,
they're going to need to come at him with something more audacious
than anything that's gone before.
Not least when, in January 2010,
Carol shoots and injures Eddie Lyons Jr.
again, this time in the arm.
The lions might be down, but they're not out.
And the latest act by Carol is an excuse they need to do something big.
On Jan 13, 2010, at around 1pm,
Carol has arranged to meet a drug pusher named Stephen Glenn,
who is associate with the Lions family,
at the supermarket car park in Glasgow.
You're working for me now, he tells Glenn,
trying to poach him from the Lions.
Anybody that doesn't fall into line is going to get banged.
But listener, Glenn isn't going to get banged.
It is he.
who will do the banging.
Minutes later, Carol was sitting in the back of a black Audi A3,
a great car, a winner's car, true Wellington Dad's car,
when a Volkswagen Golf screeches to a halt in front of it.
Carol's two associates leaps out of their front seats,
leaving him alone in the vehicle.
The child locks are on.
He's trapped.
Two masked men emerge from the Gulf and open fire.
The rear window shatters.
As does Carol's head and chest,
from 13 shots in the carol's.
total across almost 30 seconds, leaving him slumped, dead on the sea.
Now, sure, Glasgow can be a rough place, but a military-style execution in broad daylight in an
as-the-carpark, that just ain't cricket.
Local media goes into overdrive talking about a Sopranos-style hit.
I mean, is there a Sopranos hit like that, Danny?
And the BBC described it as, quote, arguably the most public gangland hit ever carried out
in Scotland.
I mean, there's a hit like that in every single mafia movie and show there is.
What's the, I mean, when they kill, who did they kill in his driveway?
Oh.
Last season, when they're at war.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I actually remember this one, but I don't remember any of the names and the Sopranos.
But the two guys that ask them what directions are, their Italian asked what directions are.
And they also shoot up, is it Mustang Sally, who they kill, who Jr. has killed?
I don't know.
They shoot people on their calls all the time, but who know, that's every mafia movie.
There's something like that.
Although the machine guns, I think, is machine guns, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That might be different.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
We've got like Godfather's style hit and soprano's style hit.
So I think TLDR is.
You throw that in there.
Lazy media.
That's how you do it.
You throw that in there.
Yeah.
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Anyway, the prime suspect in Carroll shooting is a lion's trigger man named William Buff Patterson, who because he's clearly innocent, flees to Spain,
days after the murder. I mean, I don't know why any of these guys are getting out to Spain. It's just
nuts. Buff spends more than four years on the run and he features on the UK's serious organized
crime agency's top 10 most wanted list. But in 2014, he hands himself into a police station in
Madrid. He's sent back to the UK and he's convicted and sentenced to 22 years. In a mark of
Carroll's notoriety, court officials read out a list of 99 potential suspects in his death.
A number of tip-attack killings follow.
But the scales of power in Glasgow and Scotland
are really tipped in the lion's favour in July 2016.
That's when Jamie Daniel,
chief of the Daniels family,
dies of cancer age 58.
Carol, the crew's top enforcer,
is long dead,
and nobody's been found with half the appetite for chaos since.
Furthermore, Daniel's son and heir apparent Zander Sutherland
is behind bars on a lengthy heroin wrap.
So there's a big power vacuum at the time.
top of the Daniels crime family, and it's unclear who's going to fill it. At the same time,
the Lions, supercharged by the connections to the Kinnahans and Europe's exploding cocaine trade,
spot yet another chance to become the Kings of Scotland's underworld, almost a decade after the
garage shootout that nearly killed them off. In the five months following Jamie Daniel's death,
they carry out five attempted murders. One of them is Robert Daniel, who on December 8th,
2016 is rammed in his car by another vehicle, chased into a house, then hacked at twice in the head with either a hatchet or a machete.
Here's the BBC, quote.
As in court, if he was aware of any ill feeling between the Daniel and Lyons family, Robert, 29, replied, not that I know of.
Now that guys is a real omerta for you. No pentiti here, Italians.
The most gruesome of these attacks is dealt out to Stephen Bonzo Daniel on May 18th, 27.
Daniel's heading home after dropping off some friends
when his car is rammed again by a VW golf
which is then joined by an Audi A3
it's a great car Danny it's a really cool car
for like super cool people and a crazy chase
ensues through Glasgow hitting speeds of up to 100
miles per hour you know Audi is like a luxury car
in America I don't know if it's like that in New Zealand or Europe
but you're like a luxury man
is it still a luxury car when it's from 2011
and you can't switch it?
any of the dials over from the Japanese, which is initially in.
So I have a Hyundai Genesis, which is a luxury sedan.
I think it's just a Genesis now, also from 2011.
Amazing car.
Those Koreans, they know what's up, man.
Yeah.
They know what's up.
I think, I mean, like modern cars, they just ain't built like that anymore.
You could, you can slam my car.
It's like a 2000 Honda, 2000 Honda Corrid, dude.
You can do anything with that car.
It's like a Mario car car car.
Incredible, man.
Anyway, Daniel's car eventually hits an off ramp north of town.
He's probably got a shit car.
car in a comparison, which leaves him unconscious slumped at the wheel. You wouldn't get
that with the Audi. While he's in that state, his chasers cut him so badly with a series of
blades that his nose is almost severed entirely, and his facial wounds are so bad that first
responders assume he's been shot. Daniel survives the ordeal. Telling a courtroom,
he doesn't remember it at all. Neither does Daniel, age 39, does he believe he has any
enemies? It's just a complete shock attack. Who would have thought?
guys just like to slice. You know, a wise man once said, you're whack if you don't appreciate knives.
Yeah. And, and yeah, that is really good advice. Obviously, the police just don't pack their stuff up and abandon the case, right? It turns out that Daniel's car, a bad car, an idiot's car, had been fitted with a sophisticated tracker, allowing his attackers to mark his whereabouts. And this is one of the key bits of evidence leading to convictions for six associates of the Lions family in May 2019.
for five murder plots, sentencing them to a total of 104 years in prison.
You sought to turn Glasgow into a war zone for your feud, says the judge, Lord Mulholland.
This is a civilised city, which is based on the rule of law.
There is no place for this type of conduct, retribution, or the law of the jungle.
But, well, we'll watch Mulholland Drive.
The beginning is the end and everything comes around in circles, right?
Great movie, but I don't know, man, just writing that.
Do you remember the creepy hobo jump scare?
I watched that after smoking a bowl, and it's a movie.
just about gave me a heart attack.
I think our listeners really want to know,
or they want you to specify a bowl of what exactly?
A bowl of soup.
Anyway, Lord Mulholland is totally wrong.
Glasgow definitely is a place of retribution.
I mean, you just heard it, like, for the last 20, 25 minutes,
and the law of the jungle.
In early 2020, French, Dutch, and British authorities
crack the N-Crow chat system, though,
giving them access to millions of messages exchanged by the biggest narco-c
Kingpins in Europe. We did a show way back when this all happened with Report Ed Cesar,
who wrote a brilliant New Yorker piece about the fallout from Anchorage chats,
so definitely listen to that when you get a chance. But among the top-level criminals
giving away their secrets to the cop like they're on MySpace, one of them stands out in the UK.
Jamie Iceman Stevenson is a 59-year-old drug smuggler who is well, well-known in criminal spheres.
Back in 2007, a judge jailing him for 12 years had said that, quote,
it is clear that you occupy an important position in the world of organized crime.
Money laundering provides an essential service to the drugs trade and contributes materially to its profitability.
What they're saying by that is that its guy is a really, really big deal,
it's really sophisticated and, crucially, he is a lion's associate.
And by extension, an associate at the Kinahan's, operating out of Dubai and working with members of the lion's family.
But with the Dover Banana shipment from the Cold Open, he's been called.
absolutely bang to rights.
Stevenson goes on the run in the Netherlands, but in 2022, two years later, he's caught when,
get this, a pal he's on the land with goes on a bender in Amsterdam's red light district
using a bank card the police are monitoring.
Their call brought back to the UK, and in October 2024,
Stevenson is jail for 20 years, while his associates, including David Bilsland,
the grocer who was in the Dover plot, they get a total of 29 years.
During the trial, authorities lift the lid on a Stevenson plan to flood Scotland with millions of tablets of Etisalam, also known as Street Valium, from a factory in Kent.
Stevenson's kingpin days may be over thanks to this banana bust, but drug use is going bananas across Scotland nonetheless.
In 2023, there were 1,172 drug misuse deaths in the country, which is a 12% increase on the previous year.
is actually over four times higher than the number of deaths back in 2000, when heroin was
ripping few communities, and opioids still account for four-fifths of all deaths today.
And still no fentanyl. Interesting that, huh?
Despite the profit margins there being way higher.
Yeah, there's a bunch of ideas for that.
But I guess we started getting into that in the China episode a little bit as well from back then.
That's the whole point.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dundee, the fourth largest city in Scotland and really close to Edinburgh, has some of the worst stats of drug abuse in the whole UK.
Cuckooing, which is the practice of criminals taking over somebody's house, usually under threat of death to use a drug den or stash house, has become so rife in the city that NGOs have been set up specifically to combat it.
And folks have even fled town to escape it.
That practice needs a scarier name.
Yeah, it is awful.
Like, it's fully, oh my God, the stories you read about that.
Just, yeah, don't read it.
Just listen to this show.
Anyway, benzos have been identified in almost 60% of drug deaths cases in Dundee.
So it's fair to say that if Stevenson's pill factory had got up and running,
it could have been a public health disaster on Scotland streets.
In recent years, of course, cocaine has flooded Scotland streets,
just like it has everywhere.
I mean, there are uncontacted tribes in the Indian Ocean that are probably on the gear each Friday night.
In Scotland, there has been increased concern,
over the rise in people injecting the drug, especially in Edinburgh.
Locals call this prop, and one user has told local station STV that its use is, quote,
an epidemic. It's actually shook the town, to be honest. Add to this, increased levels of synthetic
opioids like nitazines, finding their way into the Scottish drug supply chain. And you've got this
situation whose potential for death and destruction, not to mention the crimes associated with
tons of folks being off their heads on Coke and smack, far,
outweighs the stuff Irving Welsh was writing about back in the early 90s.
Okay, so there's your context.
But what doesn't help in all of this either is the role of football hooligans or ultras being thrown into the mix.
Glasgow is home to two of the biggest clubs in Europe, Rangers and Celtic.
And it's one of the darkest rivalries in world sport.
Very long story, very short.
Glasgow is very closely bound to the history of neighbouring Northern Ireland,
traditionally been a place of high migration by Irish Catholics,
especially after the Great Famine of the mid-1800s,
and so it's taken on the North sectarian divisions
between Catholics and Protestants.
Rangers, traditionally Protestants,
loyalists, they're often union flags and royal imagery at their games,
and Celtic, as the name suggests,
traditionally Irish Catholic club,
with all the links that entails,
including to the IRA.
At the extreme ends of this spectrum are two sets of ultrass.
On one side, Rangers, Union Bears,
which does sound like a gay club,
and Celtics Green Brigade.
which sounds less gay and more like a name for the who it's bar staff on St Patrick's Day.
Both are deep into cocaine use.
What else?
And along with it, violence British football hasn't really seen since the 1980s
when English clubs were banned from Europe and deaths at matches weren't too uncommon.
Research last year suggested that cocaine use, which is so rife in this world,
may have superseded excessive drinking as a cause of violence and antisocial conduct in the modern game.
Fans, supporters associations, police officers, government advisors and safety groups in England and Scotland
were all interviewed about the relationship between match goers and alcohol during an extensive three-year study.
And it was found that Class A drug use was of far greater concern.
Cocaine, they say, is part of the problem.
How do they do that research?
Are they like test subject A said he had a couple of pints and he was feeling okay
and then did a bunch of lines and then he beat the crap out of something?
Like how does that work?
It's just based on sentiment?
I guess.
Come back to me on that one.
Yeah, the methodology needs to be investigated.
But the ultras aren't just involved in taking drugs.
Entire Scottish clubs are being found out to be owned by criminal figures
and gangsters of long-taking cuts in transfer fees.
I guess a bit like the Yassau-Pueg stuff in the US.
Fun fact, I once caught a Pueg fly ball in Oklahoma City.
Wait, what's that story?
Was he one of the guys?
You know, there was like an 80s baseball cocaine,
among players? Is that the one you're talking about?
That's much more recent, right?
He was like owned, he was part owned by
gangsters with the, like the Mexican
cartels or something that had brought him over
from Cuba, then he owed them a bunch
of money, I think it was.
Damn.
Yeah, I can't remember how that finished, but I think he's
playing in Mexico now, so
maybe he's having a better or worse time.
Reach out to us, yes, he'll.
Back to Scotland, however.
One of the key players in the Jamie Stevenson
Banana Bust is Lloyd Cron.
Cross, a self-styled top boy of the Union Bears, who's followed Rangers all around Europe and has been arrested doing so.
It is Cross's vehicle recovery firm that's been used as a drug shipping group for Stevenson,
and Cross has been working closely with Billsland, the grocer, to get the gear from Dover to all corners of the UK.
In October 2024, just weeks after Cross's sentence alongside Stevenson, Billsland and their gang,
the Union Bears unfurler banner at a Europa League match against Leon,
reading No Surrender LC, Lloyd Cross, and Rangers riot crew,
while setting off fireworks over the head of their own goalkeeper.
Cross is a Union bear, Rangers daft,
instead has a lot of friends in the group, one source tells the Scottish son,
but flaunting your support for a drug-dealing thug while aiming fireworks over your own goalie's head
shows just how brainless this mob are.
Here's the thing, Stevenson, Billsland and Cross.
Like I said earlier, they're all Lions family associates, Kinnahen Associates.
With them behind bars, things will likely get more violent.
And on the other side of the feud, remember how Jamie Daniels' death let the power vacuum at the top of the Daniels clan?
That void is filled by Edinburgh-based Mark Richardson,
who in 2018 is jailed for eight years after being caught with a Glock pistol,
and another 18 months he's added to his sentence for a high-speed car chase with the cops.
So, some of the biggest Lions players have gone down for the banana bust,
and there's trouble at the top of the family too.
Remember Stephen Lyons?
The Lions family nephew ran off to Spain after the 2006 garage shootout.
He's gone from there to Dubai, the mothership for global organized crime.
And he's alleged to have racked up debts to the Kinnahun cartel for a bunch of failed deals during the pandemic,
and those are not the people you want to be in the red with.
The Lions family seems like it's in a state of disarray.
But the Daniels crew is arguably even more shambolic.
With no Jamie Daniel or Gerbil Carroll, Mark Richardson takes over,
the crook from Edinburgh with a long and distinguished rap sheet.
In 2010, court sentenced him to 10 years prison aged as 23
when his cult ran has sold $3 million of heroin and crack
across Scotland's capital.
Several years later, he hooked up with Stephen Bonzo Daniel.
Remember the guy who got his face macheted half off?
And together, they run the Daniels' criminal enterprise.
Bonzo's face is a complete mess.
It looks like a topographical map.
Real Hellraiser vibes.
In 2017, Richardson is swept up in a huge police sting, Operation Escalade,
which reveals, among other things,
that Scotland's biggest gangsters are now travelling to Brazil
to meet face to face with leaders of the First Capital Command, the PCC,
stoppiling military-grade weapons and torturing enemies with incredible levels of violence.
Among them are brothers James and Barry Gillespie, who then go on the run in Brazil.
And the following January, Richardson copse this almost nine-year sentence, later increased to over a decade.
And then Richardson just looks like a regular bloke.
He's like pink-skin, loose shirts, slightly overwork.
the way he's basically British, but he's sophisticated.
He laundered his money for a series of complicated schemes, and he runs the Daniels family
from prison, quarterbacking drug deals and building up a groundswell of support in Edinburgh
to try to take Glasgow from the Lions family, which is a pretty dangerous business,
even if the Lions' leadership is all over the place.
Between 2017 and 2021, Scottish police tracked over 70 incidents related to this violent turf war
in something they call Operation Engagement,
which threatens to blossom into an all-out war at any moment.
The authorities, though, they're fighting a losing battle,
not least because their own house is in shambles.
As Glasgow acclimed from its murder capital status,
and politicians down south in Westminster had hopped to board
the bandwagon narrative of positive change,
the Conservative government had cut budgets dedicated to combat in organised criminal groups.
The number of Scottish police officers has fallen by almost.
a thousand, and all this is coming at the same time as Scotland's cocaine market is soaring.
Says Graham Pearson, former head of the Scottish Crime and Drug Enforcement Agency,
quote, those involved in organised crime have had a fairly joyful time developing their business,
with the odd casualty as law enforcement intervenes.
Most of those who might have been able to change the situation have lacked the commitment
to see things through and have prioritised other areas, such as the NHS and education,
Organised crime was overlooked, and the wealth and power of those people has developed and become more confident.
Another retired cop speaking to the Telegraph puts it simpler.
Quote, you need to keep your foot on the neck of the violence.
Today there are 90 serious organised criminal groups operate in Scotland and over 1,400 people involved in criminal activity.
As of last March, only 158 of them were in prison.
Scotland now has the worst drug death rate in Europe
with over twice the rate of England, Wales and Northern Ireland,
which are the UK's other three constituent nations.
Wow, that's worse drug rate than all of, like including Eastern Europe?
Apparently so, yeah, it's nuts.
That's really, really bad there.
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All of this is mixing into a deadly cocktail of cocaine riches, power vacuums, and blood feuds.
Add to this, the moment.
fallout from Operation Venetic, Ed Crowchat and the banana bust, and you have a recipe not just for
turf wars, but chaos. Every time police have a success like the Stevenson case, it has repercussions
in the criminal world, a former undercover coptells a telegraph. The criminals look to see how vulnerable
they are. They start looking inwards at the scapegoats, and violence is their answer to everything.
When police have a success is actually pouring petrol on the fire. Stephen Lyons, the Lions family
Sion leaves Dubai amid his debt trouble with the Kinnahans.
Into this void and chaos steps a third player.
A guy keen to stamp his own mark on Scotland from a home in Dubai,
where he'd been since 2022 after evading criminal charges back home.
A man with a history as a union bears ultra with links to Lloyd Cross and Jamie Stevenson,
who can source drugs from the Kinnahans and get them to the Lions and Daniels from Europe's shipping ports.
A man known to media only.
as Miami. Miami also has links to James and Barry Gillespie, the fraternal mobsters who've
gone missing in Brazil, presumed by now to be dead and killed out there. Perhaps Miami had a hand
in it, perhaps not. But this guy has friends in almost all the high places you can imagine.
And in March this year, he makes a $700,000 cocaine deal with associates of Mark Richardson,
the head of the Daniels clan. Here's what happens next, according to anonymous Saul speaking to the sun.
One of Richardson's crew
went out to Dubai for a few weeks
and agreed to take 16 kilos of cocaine
but didn't pay.
Another guy ended up paying with fake notes
rather than genuine cash.
Moves like this just aren't
tolerated.
It's the old paper in the briefcase trick, guys.
I mean, I guess it must work sometimes
but I wouldn't advise
ripping off some psychotic cocaine
camping with it. And Miami
unsurprisingly goes into
a bloodthirsty tailspin.
A contract is put out on Richardson's life and guards move into a new prison.
Bonzo Daniels, he of the slashed up face, actually moves from Glasgow to Dubai as he thinks it'll be safer out there.
By late March, masked goons of firebombing homes, businesses and cars belonging to Daniels' family associates.
Before long, attacks are being filmed and post to social media.
One minute long example on March 23rd includes a montage of Alson Strikes set to the Vandellas nowhere to run,
which, yes, a stone cold banger and something straight out of a Guy Ritchie movie.
This is a message to anyone associated with Mark Richardson, the caption reads,
We are only just getting started.
We are coming for all of you.
The violence, of course, is just getting started.
Throughout March and April, more homes and cars are vandalised,
as Miami makes his mark on Richardson and the Daniels.
In late April, the perpetrators named themselves Tamohunto,
which means we are together in British.
Brazilian Portuguese. Their badge is pretty gnarly, a growling skull in St. Andrew's flag colors,
flanked by cross-assault rifles and TMJ 2025. I've put it in the scripts so that he can actually
give his professional opinion. What do you reckon? It's pretty sick. I mean, it does look like
a death squat from a Marvel movie. But also, I see TMJ. Isn't TMJ that thing that people get in their
jaw? We're like, you got to get Botox for it because it like grinding thing, I think.
So that's like Brazilian plastic surgeons or something. No, I think that that skull in the
the logo is suffering from that, which is unfortunate.
Fair enough. That wasn't
the analysis that I'd expected.
But anyway, one video shows
members breaking into a residential
home in broad daylight, battering
down the front door with weapons and leaping
for a ground floor window.
We are urging everyone in Scotland on the streets
and those incarcerated to join
us in the fight against Mark Richardson
and the Daniels family, a caption
reads. This is like Mexing
cartel-level stuff happening here, huh?
Yeah, it's mad, man. It's so
public as well. Amid all of this,
Bonzo Daniel's home is firebombed
and 135 grand
bounty is placed on his head.
In May, Bonzo comes back
from Dubai to Glasgow,
weirdly. He's got a panic room
in his house and still ballards in the
drive outside to avoid any vehicle
ramming attacks. Miami's men, one
source tells Glasgow live, quote,
know everything about his movements
and haven't ruled out going after him at a
Rangers game, but attacking him at
Ibrox, which is the stadium, with the
amount of police there would be difficult.
Another Daniels associate who flees to Thailand is tracked down there and slashed across his face,
leaving a pretty brutal wound.
More recently, children and family of gangsters have been targeted, saying that hasn't happened
since the early days of the Lions Daniel feud some 20 years back.
Says Graham Pearson, the former cop quote,
It is a complex picture because you've got people who are in prison who still want to have
influence inside and outside and look after what was there.
business. On the outside, you've got wannabes who are coming forward and they think this is an
opportunity for them and you've got others who have old scores to settle that they could not settle
when crime bosses were around. All of that mixes together and the greed for the money that comes from
drugs and from the kudos that comes from being a main man and you end up with competition,
violence and the kind of incidents we've seen. On May 17th, media finally lift the lid on Miami's
identity. His name is Ross McGill, a 31-year-old former leader of the Union Bears Ultras. He's
actually fled Scotland in 2022 at the fallout of the Encro chat banana busts, initially to Spain
and then of course to Dubai. He's had a bunch of failed legit enterprises including a pie company,
construction, takeaway food, mobile phone stands, a restaurant, a dry cleaning firm, management
consultancy and a fitness outlet. McGill could have attended failed Connell, blogged about his corporate
was on LinkedIn, but he went down a far more honorable path, cocaine trafficking.
I mean, honestly, he gave literally every other business to try, which is like fair play.
But also, I would assume you would have to be a better businessman to sell cocaine rather than pies,
but I guess not.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's hard to make a, I know all too well how hard it is to make a good mince pie.
The Sun reports that McGill took over narco roots in Brazil after the demise of the Gillespie brothers
who are still missing, presumed.
dead. And being young and protected, he doesn't seem to care whether Tamahunto's war lasts for months
or even years, which despite some low-level arrests, seizures and raids, it really could do.
McGill's men are hardly hiding their intentions either. Goes a recent post quote,
Daniels and Richardson's, every associate, every business will be targeted, leave Scotland
immediately, exterminate the Daniel virus, to be continued, which, as an addendum,
just yesterday as we're recording this, so June 1st, two men were shot dead outside a bar in Malaga.
Their names, Ross Monaghan, who I'm sure this is a complete coincidence,
but who was linked to the killing of Kevin Gerbil Carroll in 2010, and get this,
Eddie Lyons, Jr.
So this one, folks, is very much live.
And if anyone knows anything about it, get in touch, the underworld podcast at gmail.com.
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