The Underworld Podcast - The Baader Meinhof Gang's 'Revolution' of Murders, Bank Robberies, & Blowing Themselves Up

Episode Date: August 31, 2021

The Baader Meinhof Gang, or Red Army Faction, came about as post-war Germany sought to rebuild from the death and destruction of the Nazi era. As the Cold War gripped the world and self-declared revolutionary groups rose up, the gang's reign of violence across Germany in the 1970's brought international infamy. Bank Robberies, prison breaks, and the Shah of Iran, what else do you need in a story? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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rolling stones blaring out his windows. The doors slide open and three men leap out, armed and masked, and heading for the bank. While they're inside, the 32-year-old policeman, Herbert Schonna, who's on patrol, he notices the illegally parked van and steps closer for a chat. The driver shoots him in the back, Chuna drops. The trio flee the bank, having robbed 134,000 Deutschmarks, around 3.2 million bucks today. One of them shoots Schonna again, killing him, and the gang speeds away. Days later, as Germans prepare for Christmas,

the nation's biggest newspaper splashes the deadly rave all over its front page. Bada Meinhof gang continues to murder it, writes, noting the death of a Hamburg cop just weeks before. This is no loan act, the paper says. It's the murderous rampage of a leftist terrorist group that's gripped the nation for over a year. At first it was firebombing stores. Now it's robbing banks and shooting cops dead in the street.

Is Germany slipping back into the lawlessness of the Second World War, its leaders ask? Chaos engulfs the country. The Kaiser Slouten killers won't get far. They rounded up and convicted of Schonna's death soon after. Officials hope it'll put an end to the gang, but it's only just beginning. Kaiser Slouten is just the tip of a slew of bombing, sieges and murders. It'll push post-war Germany to its absolute limits. At the hands of a group that's gone down since then, as much in folk poor as well.

fact. Welcome to the Underworld podcast. Hey guys and welcome to another episode of the Underworld podcast. This is the show that tells you how not to sunbathe naked in the Jordanian desert so you don't piss off your local militants hosts. I'm your host Sean Williams and I'm here in my man Danny Gold for another slice of organized crime by two seasoned, talented, level-headed reporters this time with a little political twist. Yeah, I guess this is a little bit off of our wheelhouse. Yeah, the Bada Meinhof gang, Red Army faction, whether they're a gang, whether they're a terror group. I mean, it's kind of up for grabs.

They rob banks. They set fire to stuff. They committed loads of crimes. It's pretty organized. I don't know. I think it's within. Yeah. Yeah.

I think it's cool. It's something I've been pretty obsessed with ever since I learned about it. And I think you're pretty into it, right? Yeah. I mean, that whole sort of 70s era was a fasting time period when you have these Western, quote, unquote, revolutionary groups that were violent. and whether it was like the weatherman or the SLA and obviously the Red Army Faction. It was just a, it was a crazy time, man. There was a lot of absurd political violence and organized crime violence that intertwined with it in the 70s.

Oh, yeah. All those hostage takings on planes. And it was just like a weekly occurrence. So it's always kind of fascinated me as well. Before we get into all of that stuff, I guess we should do some housekeeping. There's the Patreon. I think when this is going out, I think we're going to have something up tomorrow, maybe the day after. And we're going to have loads and loads up there soon.

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No, it is. Okay. And yeah, we have a correction, by the way, guys. Remember the episode on the Mokro Mafia in the Netherlands? I told you guys we didn't know who Nabil B is. That's the star witness at the heart of the Marengo trial who's helped by Peter DeVries, who was killed. Well, I screwed that up. We actually do. So, cheers to our boy Bada for the heads up.

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Send them out. Send them out away. The Underworld podcast at gmail.com. So, RAF. I actually got a chance to report on the group years back when I first rocked up in Berlin. I did a couple of stories. I even spoke to a couple of the former REF members, which was really, really cool. And we'll get into that.

a bit further down, but we can actually split this one into two very different parts, which I think one of yours in the middle, right? There's just so much of these guys to dive into. Yeah, I think I'm working on a multi-part story about Afghanistan, opium, Taliban, heroin, all that fun stuff. Hopefully all get it done. But first off, do you know what the Bada-Mindhoff effect is? I do not. Well, it's basically about the illusion of frequency or this thing where you focus on something you're interested in, and then you see it everywhere, a kind of confirmation bias where you block out stuff that doesn't fit your worldview. I mean, I guess that's just a hold of social media.

And we do it every day, right? We see a bunch of buses go past at once. We're all red cars and we start seeing red cars everywhere. Apparently, some guys started reading about the Bada Meinhoff gang in the 90s and saw it everywhere. Like, I don't know where you're living, my man, but if you're getting flashbacks to a Cold War terror group, you might want to see a doctor and maybe erase your browser history. What does that mean? Is that like one guy got it and just kept seeing potential attacks?

Or I don't understand? I think it's just the phrase Bada Mainhoff. So you just get intensely obsessed with one idea. And then you just see it everywhere. It's like faces in the clouds kind of thing. But on to the show, the Bada Mienhof gang. Been around for over 50 years. Carried on a shockingly long time.

And I mean, shockingly. And while it's notoriety really rockets in the 1970s, the story starts a while before then, back to the dying years of the Second World War, Hitler's getting stuffed on the eastern front and the Allies are winning the Pacific, Europe, Africa, all over. And yeah, I know that's a pretty insanely brief rundown of, like, the biggest thing that's ever happened. But you can go to Dan Carlin for a five-hour show on the Battle of Bruges or whatever.

Wow, the Dan Carlin animosity continues. I mean, I think, yeah, you're just jealous that he only has to do three episodes a year, even if each of them is like nine hours long. I am, actually, yeah. Yeah, we're going to get a lot more of that. And around this time at the end of war, bunch of US intelligence officials are planning what in 1945 is going to become Operation Paperclip. That's the nabbing of Nazi scientists to help Auerica with the Cold War effort against the Soviets,

building bombs, spaceships, satellites, power stations, you name it. I mean, Nazis are bad, got it. But if they're on your side, all good. I mean, the Soviets had an Operation 2 that I forget the name of, but it was almost like a race to get these guys. You know, the old saying, like, my hated enemy is actually my friend. If he could help me build big-ass rockets to be my new one. me, you know? Yeah, yeah. I've always been into that phrase. And two great resources for this

episode that get into this culture really, really well, by the way, guys, a BBC doco called In Love with Terror, which is on YouTube, actually, you can see it for free. I've put it on the reading list that's on the Patreon. And the Bada Meinhof Complex, which is a 2008 drama movie, started out as a book by German author, Stefan Ausst. Ausst, who wound up being this big time publisher and editor in Germany, was actually so close. to the Baden-Meynhof gang that they actually had him marked down for death at one point. So at the war's end, officially there's a policy of so-called denazification. That's trying to route Nazis from positions of power in post-war Germany.

But after the trials at Nuremberg and the Berlin blockade and the beginnings of East Germany and the Cold War, well, the Allies just sort of lose interest in it. And then you have the Marshall Plan when the US pumped $15 billion then in that money, which is almost like a trillion dollars today, into reviving Europe's battered economies. And Washington doesn't care too much if Germany's economy becomes more equitable or if it should perhaps shut out the Bayer factories

that may Cyclone B, the Porsche ones that built tanks, or even Hugo Boss. So at this time, a lot of young Germans are thinking, hold up, did anything actually change after we started this thing that was basically the worst thing in human history? Because it seems like nothing actually did. And in fact, a bunch of the Nazis are still running stuff. I mean, as someone who both sides of my family are Eastern European Jews,

like I want to assure the young Germans of 1960s that some very big things did actually change, you know? But the industry thing is interesting, right? Because it's kind of like, I mean, the Marshall Plan was wildly successful too. Oh, yeah. The industry thing is kind of, you know, my dad still won't buy German cars and things like that. But it's kind of like when you have all these industries, like do you, decimate them and then like shatter the economy even more you know it's kind of like the the iraqi military being completely disbanded i don't know i just kind of view it that way like what is the right

answer in this sure but i think there were some of the heads of industry at that time they just carried on and like even though they made all these horrific stuff no they should be dealt with but you know what i mean like shuttering the entire the entire companies that provided the economy but anyway uh the 60s rolled on and berlin's divided wars are kicking off from cuba to congo is in the great leap forward. Chris Jeff's crushing Stalinism. It's a great time for communists. And the US is just carpet bombing the shit out of Vietnam trying to route the Viet Cong there. And Western peacemics and radicals and hippies, they're protesting all over in the world in a gigantic counterculture movement. And in Germany, all this is happening to, of course,

but it's gone into hyperdrive. I mean, there's an actual communist country carved out of its ass in the east. There's cities laying in Ruin everywhere, secret police kidnapping folk, and actual real-life Nazis are still sitting at the top of industry in the West. And they're a huge, I mean massive, demos against NATO and the war in Vietnam, which leftists they see as killing in the name of capital. And out of it, all of this chaos, that's when the Bada Mejnhoff gang first emerges, out of an apartment in Berlin. In 1966, these radicals experienced two huge defeats.

firstly England beats Germany at Wembley in the World Cup final I can't tell if that's just your dry British wit or was that actually a big deal or? Ah, no, I like the idea that I've got dry British wit. Let's just stick with that. But no, they don't give a shit. That year actually, there's another thing that does matter to them and that's that the Social Democratic Party,

that's the leftist main political party, it fails to win a parliamentary majority and goes into a shock coalition with its arch rival, the Christian Democratic Union, which is Angela Merkel's party, center-right. I don't want to go too deep into the German politics, especially with an election going on here

right now that's doing my heading. But this is like Labor getting into bed with the Tories in the UK, or I don't know, like the squad running America with the Tea Party, I don't think there's the US equivalent. But for fleets of young Germans, this coalition, it just shows the parties don't really stand for anything,

but they're all meaningless. It's tough to describe how much the Nazi period has blown up everything about German culture. I mean, of course, it should. But you really need to be here to see it absolutely every single ounce of the national psyche. It says Astrid Pol, a former RAF member to that BBC doco that I mentioned,

quote, I think we despised what our parents are created. We were angry that we had to live with a past like that. Our generation was in love with the revolution. I mean, everyone thinks their mum and dads are Nazis when they're a kid, right? So imagine your parents are the actual Nazis. Like your mum is telling you to do your homework and you're like,

screw you Hitler. And she's like, yeah, oh, I kind of like Hitler, actually. Fair enough. So, of course, the epicenter of all of these movements is Berlin. And in 1967, you get a place called communa-e-einz, or commune one. A radical, some say Maoist, though I'd say more a narco-communist, as if those distinctions really matter much. It's a commune in freedom now,

which is this sprawling green, really lovely part of West Berlin. You're going to, you better make those distinctions. Otherwise, you're going to piss off a lot of very angry teens with anime avatars on Twitter. I'm welcome it. It's anything for the engagement. And this commune is really rocking the down with the West vibe. It believes post-war consumerism is blinding Germans to the terror of their fascist past, which, yeah, I can see their thinking for sure. But these guys are up for more than book clubs and debating.

when a Brussels department store burns down that year, killing 300 people, K1, as it's known, issues a statement that goes, quote, when will the department stores in Berlin burn? The guys at K1 believe the nuclear family, the white picket fence, that's the root of all fascism. Which again, I can kind of see that too, to some extent. Starting to worry about you, bud. And they believe that by making men and women dependent on each other, these guys, not me, the state is left free to act all its horrors.

Out of this flat in West Berlin, you get a few really important figures in this movement. One of them is a young woman named Gudrun Ensign. Tall, blonde, beautiful, extremely political, artistic. She's even the great, great, great, great granddaughter of the philosopher Georg Hegel, which is, that's one of the most important German thinkers ever. So remember her. She's about to become very important. And she meets a guy called Andreas Bada, which, yeah, I mean, you've read the title of the show,

so you know he's going to be a big deal. Anyway, Bada, he's different. His own dad had died on the Eastern Front in the war, and he's brought up by three female relatives, so it seemed dope on him and let him get away with all kinds of stuff when he's young, being a bit of a tow rag, committing a bunch of petty crimes,

and treating women pretty awfully. According to one writer, he's a quote, bohemian bully, who even pretends he has cancer as a young man to get sympathy out of his friends. That is a red flag. Yeah, I feel like that's an almost typical psychopath

path move, even these days, right? Like a fake go-fund me. Taking the legs off spiders and pretending you've got cancer, yeah, that's not a good sign. Anyway, Bada is straggly, rough-tongued, kind of ruggedly good-looking. He loves fast cars, women, and acid. I mean, as you can imagine,

everybody at K-1 is tripping balls, and Bada's known for doing four tabs at a time and going on these long and winding political rants, which just sounds, I mean, that just sounds awful. Yeah, annoying. I'd say I'd say once for a festival and I was going for like 12 hours and I thought the killers were actually called that because they were actually murderers and I was carrying at the back of the crowd like that was really cool never again

so you've got this protest movement these hard case lefties at k1 in berlin and in 1967 it's all going to come crashing together in the middle of the city on june second that year the shah of iran visits berlin our state visit there are massive protests the shah is a west back dictator accused of all kinds of atrocities and former leftist leader Mohamed Mossadegh has just died after spending 10 years under Tehran

house arrest. I'll spare our this is the Iranian history lesson but basically on this Berlin visit the police protect the Shah on one of them an officer named Kouras. He shoots dead a student named Beno Ornizorg great name by the way Ornazov

basically means no worries but it's obviously a bit grimly comical too and while Onozorg is laying on the street dead for the revolutionaries this is a massive boiling point they realise the German state is happy to kill its own people to protect a foreign despot and by the way

the chief of German police then goes to the opera with the Shah great optic guys also little aside or maybe not that little Kuras the cop who pulls the trigger in 2009 investigators discover he was on the payroll of the East German Stasi that whole time. So when you consider what we're about to discuss, just let that sink in.

That's unreal. Did they know if that, like, what's he supposed to do that or, you know, the shooting? Yeah, good question. It's unclear, but he was definitely on the payroll. That's unbelievable. Yeah. And either way, the leftists,

they are on the war path after this killing. Says Ensling, quote, you can't argue with people who made Auschwitz. They've got weapons and we haven't. we must arm ourselves. I mean, it's not a bad line of reason. That makes some sense. And now a word from our advertisers.

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She says, quote, the protests against the chief of a police state unmask our state as a police state. Terror by police and the press reached its high point on June. 2nd in Berlin. We have come to understand that freedom in this state means the freedom of the police truncheon. And Meinhof, her star's rising at this time. She's a mother of two, really outspoken. And spoiler alert guys, yes, she is the Meinhoff from the gang's name. Paraday presents in the red corner the undisputed, undefeated weed whacker guys. Champion of hurling grass and pollen everywhere. And in the blue corner, the challenger, Extra strength, Hannity!

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So Onozo's death is the spark That ignites the radicals into direct action A year later they burn down two shopping malls in Frankfurt And of course the media's all over it Germans do love a shopping mall after all And these guys, they're just basically walking into the stores and setting fire to stuff. They're not master criminals, nor do they want to be.

The police pick them up, including Bada and Ensling, and put them on trial. That's exactly what they want. At the courthouse, Bada and Ensling compare the outrage over the fires with the bombs dropping in Vietnam, questioning the humanity of Germans if they give more of a task about some dresses than families in Southeast Asia, which, yeah, I know it's a straw man, but you can kind of see their point. They refuse to issue a defence and even smoke Cuban cigars in court. which is kind of like shipposting well ahead of their time.

You can imagine this kind of thing in a country so bent on its rules and regs. This captures the imagination of tons of young Germans who are thinking along similar lines. And again, I don't think it can be overdone that while the war was a shattering moment for societies all over the world. In Germany, it went so much deeper. There are millions of Germans at this point wondering whether their country and culture should even exist at all. Some wonder if it even does. And that's pretty weird, but I'll explain why in a minute. And this kind of thinking, yeah, like it's survived all the way up to today.

There's a whole movement, though it's pretty niche, called anti-Deutsch. Again, I've thrown some stuff up on the reading list about that one because it's pretty interesting. Very, very online. I think it's more online than people say. I spent a few months last year actually covering Q&N in Germany for GQ. German is the second biggest language for Q&N content, which is pretty nuts. And there's a massive conspiracy today. And this thing has tens of thousands of followers, by the way.

which also says that Germany isn't actually a real country at all. It's just a Zionist corporation founded by the Allies after the war because, of course, this shit is anti-Semitic. Wait, I'm confused. Are they anti-Nazi and anti-Semites? Like, how does this, like some sort of new neo-Nazi? Neo-Neo-Nazi? Like what?

Yeah, it's Nazi adjacent. I would say that it's all couched in kind of like the overarching conspiracy anti-Semitic stuff, but they would claim that they're trying to fight the real Nazis, and you can guess who they are. They're just the people in control of the countries. I don't know, it's all like a horseshoe, that stuff, right? It's like all ends up with anti-Semitism at the end of the day.

By the way, I want to shout out to, like, American media. Stop saying that Germany is dealing with its past really well. Like, it isn't, and I'm looking at you NPR. So this first phase of the group is a bit of a shop window kind of thing. They're hardly a terror cell just yet, the Baden-Mindhof gang. But all that's going to change. 1970. Meinhoff, the journalist, she joins Bada and Endsling and a few other guys who came out the K-1 scene, and she's a really, really interesting character, brought up by the guy who was

boarding at her late mum's house. And as a young woman, she joins this German Communist Party, and she writes for a well-known leftist magazine called Concrete, which is secretly funded by East German authorities, although I'm not sure how good niche magazine sales were in 60s Germany, so maybe that should have been pretty obvious. I don't know. know, she's probably got better rates than we do now. I actually wrote about Meinhoff and her legacy for a cool magazine called Latterly ages ago. I've stuck that on the reading list too, guys. But basically, she's worth knowing well, a mix of all kinds of folks wrapped up in one person,

really fascinating stuff. And the way she joins the group, Meinhof, it's pretty full on. Andreas Bada is sent to prison for trying to buy guns. And he's at a state facility up in northwest Berlin near the old airport. minehoff goes up to visit him there apparently readings through some documents together and boom two guys burst into the building one with a tear gas gun the other revolver

he shoots the guards then they all run outside to another member who's waiting on the street in an alpha-rameo sprinter this boxy really cool old car and they just fly off into the sea why do I feel like in you know like almost every other episode we do somebody bust out of a European prison

revolving door those places we're deep enough into these episodes that we're starting to like find our own data it's quite interesting common themes yeah yeah yeah yeah european prisons are not up to scratch especially in like cold war 1970s are just rubbish and that driver of the alpha-rameo that's astrid pole who i quoted earlier in the show and i'm trying to get her on for a special bonus episode about all this stuff yes i'm plugging the patreon again guys and if you know any former terrorists we're always up for some different chats the underworld podcast at gmail.com.

So again, the whole of Germany is shocked by this daring escape. And Meinhauf then writes an editorial in an underground Berlin paper, where she calls to the formation of a so-called Red Army. Quote, we don't have to explain the action to free Bada to the intellectual windbags, the scaredy pants and no-it-alls, but rather to the potentially revolutionary segment of the population. And she goes on, quote,

The liberation of Bada is just the beginning. The end of the rule of the pigs is in sight. I mean, you weren't lying. That is some solid shit posting right there. Yeah, that is deep hammer and sickle. Prosting. And this moment, combined with the tomfoolery at court before, this is going to throw up the bat signal

for a whole generation of Germans disaffected with their country. One of them is this guy called Horsmala, big guy, jaw like a grindstone. We'll dive deeper into his crazy life in the next part of this double header. But remember his name, guys. In some way, he winds up personifying this whole radical era more than anyone else.

This, by the way, this is the point where the group actually calls itself the Rota Army Fraction, the Red Army Faction, or RAF. It creates a logo which consists of a red five-pointed star, because communism, with the letters RAF over the front in a kind of hip 2005 Williamsburg font. And then, strangely, instead of an AK-47, which is the gun of choice for all respectable terror organizations around the world, the R.A.F. goes for a German Hekler and Koch submachine gun. And actually oust the guy who wrote the Bada-Meynhof complex,

he thinks this was a cock-up, or like, by the gang or whoever they did do in their graphic design. But the name most definitely is not. It's supposed to mimic the Royal Air Force of the Brits, flipping the bird at them, the Americans, NATO. Actually, it's the German politicians who have refused to call these guys the R-A-F.

They call them the Badaemeynhof Banda or Gang. And this distinction actually becomes really important in our second episode. But Meinhoff, she's dead set on the RAF. And she pens a manifesto in which she quotes Black Panther leader Eldridge Cleaver, saying, quote, either you're part of the problem or you're part of the solution. That is a really cool quote.

This area is really the high tide for leftist guerrilla groups worldwide. I mean, if you've got the beliefs and the gumption, there's always a Soviet or a Chinese or an Eastern European sugar daddy, willing to throw you a few backs to cause mayhem. And rebel groups are going off everywhere for Cuba and Congo to Palestine, Portugal, Pakistan. See what I did there? And even in the States, you've got the student movement

off the back of the disastrous Vietnam War, Kent State, the Black Panthers. And I don't want to say here that all these movements are equivalent because they're not, but, you know, it's going down, basically. And that summer, in 1970, the RAF actually flies out to Jordan and goes on a training camp with the PLO, kind of like fat camp for terrorists

where they're doing high knees, squats, AK shooting and bomb-making. and it's probably just the same as any southern camp in Waziristan or Pensacola. And this is kind of funny. The two groups get into a fight because the Germans want a naked sunbathe, and Ensling and Bada want to go at it in the barracks in their spare time. And for the Palestinians, this is a no-no. And this difference escalates enough that the Palestinians throw them out and refuse to speak to them again.

The left really does eat itself, eh? Yeah, I mean, that's just a culture clash right there that probably could have been avoided. Yeah. I feel like the Germans could have probably been avoided. back down on a couple of those things. Either way, at this point the RAF has some numbers, knows how to make bombs, fire a gun,

and it's ready to roll. But before we launch into the real meaty stuff, it's worth pointing out that a lot of critics have claimed the RWF were just white, bourgeois Europeans, lapping as brown-skinned revolutionaries, when really there were just a bunch of gangsters who liked doing naughty shit.

I mean, it's pretty tough to level that at Meinhof and Enzling, to be honest. They really did seem like they were in it for the ideology. But I do think there are questions Do Ibarada himself. If you look at him a different way, you could easily just paint him as an eagamaniac crook who loved the limelight. But, yeah, that's maybe something to think about, I guess.

And the RAF isn't the only leftist crew in town either. In 1970, there are a couple of other groups that get pretty big too. There's the 2nd of July movement named after the day of Benno Ornizog's death. And that comes out of K-1-2, but it calls itself anarchist rather than Marxist. There's the so-called spontes. That's for spontaneous. I guess I can't even say the English, which spawns a bunch of future German leaders, actually. And then there's something called the Socialist Patience Collective.

That's founded over in southwestern Germany by Stuttgart. And maybe we'll do like episode 2,974 on these guys, but it really is crazy. It says that people are getting ill directly because of capitalism, which, yeah, I guess there's a kernel of truth there. Their whole thing is about turning, quote, illness into a weapon. another gem from their manifesto quote the kidney stone that makes you suffer is the same as the stone

thrown into the control room of capitalism are you supposed to like crap out the kidney stone and then throw it into the control room I don't know mic drop on that and I mean I could easily disappear down a rabbit hole here but I've put loads of resources

on the reading list if you want to know more about these groups and a lot of their members wind up joining the RAF which seems like it was the Yankees of the German hard left back then And now it gets to work. It firebombs more stores, police stations, publishing houses, and even a US Army corpse are stationed in Frankfurt.

On October 22, 1971, the RAF kills for the first time, shooting dead Hamburg cop Norbert Schmidt during an attempt to break a member out of jail. Then there's the attacking Kaiser Slouton and Herbert Schoner is the group's second fatality. By now, these guys are putting their PLO connects to good use. They set off two bombs with a combined load of 2,000 kilos, which, by the way, is over a fifth of the giant Moab bomb the US dropped on Afghanistan in 2017, a serious stuff.

This one kills four American servicemen, and suddenly, the RAF is an international crime group. And here's a letter written by the RAF right after the US-based bombing, quote, The people of the Federal Republic will not support the security forces in their hunt for the bombers, because they want nothing to do with the crimes of American. and imperialism and their condonation by the ruling class here because they have not forgotten

Auschwitz, Dresden and Hamburg, because they know that bomb attacks on the mass murderers of Vietnam are justified because they have discovered that demonstrations and words are of no use against the imperial criminals. Wow, I mean, we beat the Nazis and then prop up their entire economy, and this is the things we get, just typical whiny Europeans. We don't even have washing machines and dryers and stuff. And actually, they've got a point. I mean, the RAF is really dividing German opinion in its early years, despite the deaths, amazingly.

One in ten people tells a 1971 poll they'd shelter the group if needed. Others, of course, are flooding the cops with tips. And actually in the BBC doco, the chief of German police says the RAF was single-handedly responsible for him getting all kinds of big budget gadgets and manpower. So, yeah, I guess there's all kind of outcome to this stuff. But like I said before, these guys aren't exactly the Pink Panthers, and the cops don't need supercomputers to pick up their trail. In 1972, the police arrest five key members of the group,

including Bada, Mainhoff and Ensling. Four of them go quietly. Not our man Bada. When cops arrive at his Frankfurt hideaway and they roll up an armoured wagon outside, he fires five shots from a 9mm pistol and knocks out his front and rear tires. So I guess the Palestinians are taught in person.

something between all the balls out sunbathing? This persuades the cops to call for a sharpshooter who tags Bada in the leg, and before long he's kited off in a panda car. That summer is a particularly bloody one for Lestis Terror too. There's the Japanese Red Army bombing and killing, Carlos the Jackal assassinating his way around the world, and Black October, the militant Palestinian group, which murders 11 members of the Israeli Olympics team in Munich.

To be fair, Carlos the Jackal was actually not that good, at assassinating people. I think he's more known if you look into it for actually not being that successful and being like overrated as far as global terrorist all-stars go. Yeah, screw you, Carlos the Jackal. Doesn't get out.

Doesn't get our approval. We're anti-Carlose the Jackal. It's a tough stance. All of that bloodshed at this time does little to stymie support for the RAF though. And while its leading figures are locked away behind bars, membership on the outside swells to an alleged 300, with another 10,000 reckoned to be sympathizers.

And inside the group is doing its best to keep the flame going. They're getting smuggled books about urban warfare and somehow speaking to each lover through letters and they decide to go on a hunger strike. In 1974, West Germany moves them to a special built high security wing of Stamheim prison near Stuttgart. And it keeps them in isolation. But they carry on refusing to eat.

In November that year, one of the group, a guy named Holger Mainz, he starves to death. His emaciated, bearded corpse is yet another battle cry for young leftists around Germany who can see echoes of the concentration camps in him. So as you can imagine,

having these high-profile terrorists martyring themselves and spitting out polemic through their lawyers, it's not really helping much. It's a bit of a pain in the ass of the authorities, to be honest. But at least the Bard and Meinhof gang

is behind bars, they think. Well, whoopsie, that ain't the end of it, guys. and in fact a whole new era of violence is about to begin. In the summer of 1975, a group of six second-generation RAF terrorists called in themselves Commando Heilger Mainz, they lay siege to the West German embassy in Stockholm, Sweden. There's actually some old newsreel footage I've put on the reading list,

but this whole thing is pretty mad. They take 11 people hostage, including the German ambassador, and they demand the original RAF members be let out of jail. Obviously, nothing happens. happens. So 12 hours later, the terrorists set off a load of dynamite engulfing the building in flames. They then shoot dead two hostages. And it turns out, the explosions are a deadly mistake. One of the guerrillas had accidentally dropped his grenade, blowing himself and the dynamite up in the process. Yeah, I mean, these groups blowing themselves up is kind of like, by accident.

Seems like a consistent theme across the, uh, across nations. Like the weathermen did that too, right? They blew up that townhouse and killed only themselves in the process. Yeah, it's pretty clown show, a lot of their early stuff, the R. and another terrorist at this attack, he's shot and he dies later in hospital. Back in Stamheim, the founding RAF members turn against Orika Meinhoff. She's been having some second thoughts about killing all those innocent people, and it doesn't go down well with her powers. Bada is particularly barbed, calling her and other women, by the way, Fotser,

which in loads of stuff I've seen is translated as bitch, but it's not, it's the C word. Eventually it becomes too much, and on May 8, 1976, which is Mother's Day. Meinhoff throws together some towels in her Stamheim cell, ties them to the window bars, and hangs herself. Ryan Reynolds here for MintMobil. I don't know if you knew this, but anyone can get the same premium wireless

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From isolation in individual row houses, from the suburban concrete cities, from prison cells, from the asylums and special units, from media brainwashing, from consumerism, from corporal punishment, from the ideology of nonviolence, from depression, from illness, from degradation, from the debasement of human beings, from all the people exploited by imperialism. And yeah, the authorities are hoping at this point that things died down, and they don't.

and now we're into 1977 and a second generation of RAF terrorists is waiting in the wings ready to kill for their incarcerated heroes. At 9 a.m. on April 7th, 1977, West German Attorney General Sigfried Boudbach,

a fierce critic of the group, is heading to work in his chauffeur Mercedes in Carswer, when a motorcycle pulls up beside. Somebody riding Piliam fires 15 bullets into the window killing Bubeck, his driver and a minder.

This is revenge, and it's only just beginning. In northwest Germany, an RAS cell is staking its target in a Cologne high-rise. He'll walk straight into their crosshairs. Halfway across the world, another ally will pull off saying even bigger that will send the RAS bloodthirsty message across the world. A summer of bloodshed is coming to a close. The German autumn is about to begin. And yeah, that's the end of part one of our Bada-Mindhoff show.

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