The Underworld Podcast - The Wild Cowboys of Washington Heights: NYC's Most Dangerous Crack-era Gang

Episode Date: February 15, 2022

New York City in the late 1980's and early 1990's was a war zone. The crack era ushered in a record number of murders, topping 2,000 some years, as gangs battled for control of million-dollar corners. One crew stood out among all the crews of killers: The Wild Cowboys, a group of former high school friends who used their connections to the Dominican Republic to expand their territory in the South Bronx. Led by the notorious Sepulveda brothers and following in the footsteps of the Washington Heights-based dealer who allegedly introduced crack to the Big Apple , they left no witnesses or competitors breathing...until a wanton act of violence on the West Side Highway tipped off investigators and led to their downfall. Get Surfshark VPN at https://surfshark.deals/UNDWRLD - Enter promo code UNDWRLD for 83% off and 3 extra months free! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and then they decided to cruise into the city that night to show off their new stereo system, or so they say at first. Turns out they were actually looking for hookers on the west side, but there were too many cops, and they decided to head home, just cruising down the west side highway. They're flying, blasting the speakers, when all of a sudden a beat-up red sedan catches up next to them gaining speed. These kids are on top of the world, their whole lives are in front of them,

but their paths are about to cross, with one of the most brutal drug-dealing crews of New York City's crack era. I mean, this is New York City in the early 90s, like a war zone. Over 2,000 murders a year, five times the number it has now. Five, six bodies dropping a day. The crack wars are in full effect. As war and crews go to battle over a million-dollar corners and desperate addicts try to get money any way they can.

And nobody goes to war, quite like the wild cowboys, a Washington Heights-based gang that ran a number of... number of spots in the South Bronx. Led by Lenny and Nelson Sepulveda. They brought in upwards of $16 million a year and wouldn't hesitate to publicly execute anyone who crossed them. See, in the 1980s, it was the Jamaican possees breaking over outrageous levels of gunplay honed in the streets of Kingston

during the 1970s political battles, the Spanglers, the shower posse and all them. But in recent years, the Dominican crews from the heights have started eclipsing them. The Dominicans took over from the Cubans in the early 80s as the wholesalers for the Colombian cartels shipping product into the U.S. But it took them a little bit longer to get into the retail side of the drug tree. Once they figured that out, they took over corners all over Uptown Manhattan, the South Bronx, Brooklyn, and Washington Heights, the capital of Dominican New York, is home to all sorts of kingpins.

That night, a number of these kingpins decide they're going to a party at one of the clubs downtown. It wasn't nothing for them to ride their souped up beamers to the palladium or the tunnel. and dropped thousands on Champagne. And on this night, Lenny is taking some of his top spot managers to the infamous Manhattan club Limelight. Shout out to Peter Gajon and Chris Pascuolo.

We'll do an episode on you guys soon. One of his main enforcers, known as Plathano, is there separately. So is a big-time gun dealer named Polanco. Polanco had sold a bunch of Uzi's to Lenny. One was defective, so Lenny returned it to be fixed. They're all wasted outside the club,

and Polanco returns the Uzi, right as the guys decide. to leave limelight and head to an after-hour spot in the Bronx. Right around 57th Street, though, one of their cars is cut off by cargo and his friends. What happens next is the first domino in a chain of events that would lead to the dismantling of one of the most violent crews to ever operate in New York City, suspected of at least 30 and up to 60 murders and countless other acts of violence. This is the Underworld podcast.

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We're going to have, Like, I don't know, all kinds of like really cool people coming on the show. Anyway, give us money. Yeah. Anyway, this is another episode from the gritty New York City era that I love to talk about, 70s, 80s, 90s, New York of your favorite movies back when it was a tough, tough town, especially in the early 90s. That's actually when New York hit its most violent years ever.

I think 1991 and 1992, I believe. And yet, we will eventually get to the possees mentioned because it's a fantastic, multi-episode story arc. But I need Dizis to come on to bump these numbers. up, you know what I'm saying. I do not know what you're saying, but I was talking about Scorpion kicks last week, so I guess we can call it even. Yeah, but yeah, it was the worst of times, and it was the worst of times, late 80s, early 90s, crack war in full effect, New York is a war zone, squeegee men, broad day shootouts, the richest precincts in Manhattan had the same amount

of murders as the poorest neighborhoods do now. And the entire criminal justice system, from the courts to the jails, is just overwhelmed. I mean, this is the days of airmen. which is when cops are roll up to a neighborhood and just get bricks dropped on them from the roofs. And if there's one thing that grizzled old crime reporters like to reference when you're on a story with them, it is airmail. Let me tell you. I mean, those guys, man. Yeah, I hear that New York is more expensive today than it used to be, right? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. It definitely is. That's true. 100% true. Cool. Cool. I should also say a lot of this episode is based off the book Gangbusters by Michael Stone, which actually, it details.

the police and prosecutors' efforts to bring down the wild cowboys in painstaking detail, which isn't really great for an episode unless we really want the backstories of all the cops involved and the inter-office politics of various DAs or why the fact that most of their murders were done in the Bronx and Manhattan office is bringing the charges, whatever, we'll make it work. There's another book, I think, that's similar from the law enforcement point of view, which is by Robert Jackal, and it's called Wild Cowboys. But yeah, Washington Heights, it's on the uppermost northern tip of Manhattan.

like 60 blocks north of where anyone who comes to New York as a tourist has gone. In the first half of the 20th century, it saw a big influx of Jewish immigrants and Irish immigrants, which is like every single other neighborhood in New York. But interestingly, as the Nazis rose to power, Catholic groups like the Christian Front had pro-Nazi rallies and Irish gangs attacked Jews in the streets there, which I did not know and found, you know, interesting to learn. And as the 1960s hit, Cubans and Puerto Ricans started flocking there. But eventually by the 1980s, Dominicans were the most of the 1980s.

most dominant group, especially in the wake of the fallout of the Dominican Civil War that ended in the mid-60s. I might be wrong, but this is where, this is also where the American Nazi Party was based around there, I think. I might be wrong about that. I mean, it's where Columbia Union is, right? And that's pretty much all I know about it. Yeah?

And there's like, no, it's actually not. No. Okay. No. Now, Columbia University is like 60 blocks south. I mean, that's, that's like a proper west side of it. It's quite, quite far. This is, this is a bit north of there.

These days, everyone in New York knows Washington Heights, like the Dominican capital of New York City. It's a popular food spot, well known for a strip of hookabars, restaurants, and nightlife spots on Dykinav. Back in the 80s, and I think we talked about this in the David Ortiz shooting episode where I went there from my reporting trip, the Dominican Republic becomes a major transshipment point for cocaine coming into the U.S. from Colombia. And of course, the big time Dominicans back in the island, they get a taste of that. and they use their contacts in New York City and Miami, even Philly, to move it up to the states. And that cocaine in turn starts flooding the streets, as well as generating tons of cash. A lot of that cash actually, you know, ends up in the neighborhood then, helps open up all these shops,

bodegas, you know, beeper stores, a lot of which were fronts or just wash the money. And of course, when people are getting money in the underworld, violence is going to come with it. And when I tell you the violence shot up, the precinct that includes Washington Heights had one murder total in 1965, according to Stone. In 1980, there were 35 murders. By 1991, there were 119 murders there, which is like nuts. I mean, that's more than I think each individual borough had in 2017, 2018. So like more than Brooklyn, more than the Bronx. I'm not positive on those numbers, but it was definitely close, right? Because there was, I think, less than 300 murders total in New York in those years. But yeah, that should give you some insight into how absolutely insane New York

city was back then. Yeah, like the size, something the size of basically a village and someone's getting popped every two, three days? Jesus, that is mad. Even smaller maybe, you know, because the blocks are so dense. And Stone goes into it more. Murder had gone up 50% in six years by 1992. And here's a quote, but numbers told only part of the story.

More troubling was the quality of crimes being committed, wanton, senseless acts of which Cargill and the quad were only the leading examples. What lawmen found so chilling was the casualness of the violence. The spate of shootings fueled neither by rage nor by any persuasive emotion. All over town, young men, some as young as 12, were spraying the streets with gunfire, resolving the slightest disputes with deadly finality. He also talks about how nothing contributed to this more than the way the drug trade expanded in the late 70s into the 80s.

And he brings up an interesting point, which is that around then is when the mob no longer had complete control over the market, especially the importation. So you got a lot of other groups all fighting each other. And when the street crews popped out to do the retail, everyone's in competition. There's no set thing like before. There's no overall group overseeing it, right? So it's just chaos. It kind of reminds me of, at least on a much smaller, smaller scale, is Mexico now, right?

When you have the fragmented cartels. And what I'm saying is let the mob be in charge of drugs again. Put down a t-shirt. Yeah. And then, of course, you know, comes crack. See, getting into the heroin market back then was, was tougher, right? You had to have good contacts, and a kilo could cost $200,000, which is a lot if you have to front the money. Crack was much cheaper, and it was much easier to get a supply of

cocaine. I mean, I'm totally showing my ass here, but what is actually, like, the chemical difference with crack and cocaine powder? Is it just, is it only the way that folks are taking it, or is there some kind of, like, material difference in it? You know, it's a material difference, right? The cocaine goes through a process, they call it cooking, to turn it into crack, you know, where you're involving baking soda and you're doing something to it. I don't know like the chemical composition of it. You know, I'm sure someone could just Google that easily. We probably could have before this episode. But, you know, we do things on the fly. So yeah, I mean, you can free based cocaine, right? You can smoke cocaine, which is not the same, but it's a lot more expensive

than just smoking crack. Yeah, I've got a story to tell about that, but maybe, uh, maybe not on a podcast where my girlfriend's colleagues are listening. So, um, yeah, maybe another time. Yeah. Yeah, probably, probably, probably. leave that one out for now. But let's, let's back up just for a minute, right? Dominicans take over the cocaine importation racket from the Cubans in the late 70s and early 80s, but it takes them a minute to move into the retail side, right? The hand-to-hand sales, all that. Washington Heights at the time had gangs, which were called like, you know, the playboys, the ball busters and fat Frankie Cuivas's crew with the bad, bad boys.

Frankie will be back, so remember that name. But these were like little street gangs, you know, they fought, they stole cars, they sold weed, maybe they did some stickups. It was nothing too crazy. But then cocaine hits and things get crazier. In 1982, two members of the bad bad boys decide to start hustling cocaine retail side, close to the George Washington Bridge, which is a bridge that connects New Jersey to Upper Manhattan, New York City. It just sees a ton of commuters, you know, so many people coming in out of the city. And these commuters have money, and they're going back into Jersey after their work is done in the city. So you can imagine, you know, they start selling grams and half grams. They call their operation, Coke it is, which is catchy.

to the point branding. And they were, as they say, putting it in traffic. I mean, it's like really PT Barner, moldy. Like, I remember when I saw that name, I thought it was cool. And now that you're saying it, I think it's way cooler. It's such a good gang name. You get a logo. You put like an exclamation point at the end. You know, the name kind of sells itself. And the two people who ran Kokit is were nicknamed appropriately Yale and Koppo. Around 1985, things get said in motion that are going to change everything. That's when a lot of people, attribute the arrival of crack in New York City. And they say it originated from Yale, right?

There's different working theories to how he discovered it. Some say the Jamaican posse crews he sometimes worked with introduced him. Others the Median cartel. Still others say he accidentally created himself while on vacation. Whatever the case, crack comes onto the scene. Yeo starts marketing it, you know, giving out testers, setting up shit in the South Bronx, which is notoriously the poorest and most dangerous area of New York City. and Yale calls this new organization pumping crack,

base the balls. As in baseball. Yeah, I mean, Dominicans love baseball. That's a pretty well-established fact. I do like a gangster that enjoys a pun as well. I'm going to stand these guys. They're cool. And then, of course, you know,

base, like moving the base, is how you refer to product as well. So it kind of has like multiple connotations. And they are based. Yeah, yo, I mean, he also sets it up like a corporation, right? like a machine to be efficient. We're talking new Jack City style. It's cooked, cut up, stockpiled, as is the money,

all in different apartments in the same complex. It's protected like a fortress. He's also bringing in dudes from rural villages in the DR with no U.S. records to serve as a shooters. The guy is a visionary. He connects with a big-time Dominican pusher back home who works directly with the cartels. He also uses all the cast exchanges in the Bronx of Manhattan

to launder his money. He starts making so much money he can barely count it. I mean, in this era, Washington Heights, it's basically an open-air drug market. Yale eventually steps back from the day-to-day operations and spends more time in the DR, furthering his whole corporation motif by putting nine middle managers to play into nine different spots to manage all his crack. At this point, the mid-80s, Lenin Sipelveda is a student at George Washington High School in the Heights. And yes, he was named after that Lennon. His parents had immigrated from the DR and had him in New York City shortly after.

after. He also had an older brother Nelson, who ends up being his second in command. Lenny's dad repairs radios and TVs, and his mom works in a factory. But his dad didn't really adjust too well to life in the States. He started drinking too much, and his parents separated when he was three. Lenny went with his mom, and he ends up kind of hating his dad because he was an alcoholic who didn't really give his mom any child support. And there's this scene kind of where he sees his dad out in the streets at night, or I think during the day, his dad's all drunk and like bummy. Lenny's with his friends, and he just pretends that he doesn't know. the guy.

It just has just another problem, right? Yeah. Lenny's a smart kid. He's tough. He plays baseball, which is obviously a big shocker for a Dominican teenager in New York. He joins the Playboys gang at 15. But like I said, gangs back then, they're not the same. They're kind of about status, not really getting money.

They had their little shootouts, but, you know, it wasn't like it's going to be. Eventually, though, Lenny decides he's going to form his own breakaway faction, the young playboys who are more intense on getting money. And right before this, two playboys had stuck up one of Yeo's dealers. So, Yeo, Capo, and a bunch of their guys, they show up to the high school where all these guys hang out, all the little gangs, and they just beat the crap out of these guys. And Lenny decides right then and there, he wants to work for them. Oh, yeah, they sound like role models we can all get behind. Cool.

I mean, look, this is like a common story, right? And we talked about it too with the Chinatown gangs. You have these older guys who are going to show up flashing money, you know, driving beamers, jewelry with girls on. their arms and nice cars to like high school like literally outside high schools and it's going to have a certain effect on 14 15 16 year olds of course you know yeah yeah at this time it's right around the emergence of what would come to be known as the wild cowboys at the start it's lenny his brother nelson a couple shooters known as pascalito freddie kruger and platano and a few other guys they generally meet on the handball courts near school george washington high and they start stealing cars in

Manhattan. Eventually they start going all over the tri-state area, which is New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, sometimes stealing three or four cars a day. Then they start selling weed sometimes out of an arcade. You remember, remember arcades? Dale, can you put the sign felt base on that? Can we put that on and get away with it and not get taken down? Because if so, I want to use that sound all the time. Anytime you make a joke, basically, we're going to use the signfell line. We're going to be on the hope for like millions and millions in copyright. So each of the guys in crew, they have a weed spot. They would go down to Texas once every two weeks, buy 80 pounds at $250 a pound, and then flip it for $1,000 in Washington Heights. Meanwhile, baseballs in Yale,

they're kind of looking for young upstarts, you know, like crack dealer LinkedIn and all that. And Lenny has a good resume. So he goes to work for them. And unlike most of his fellow apprentices, right, he shows up to work on time. He's tough. He does what's asked for him. And, you know, I kind of feel like the bar is set low in that situation for that sort of stuff, you know. Eventually, he's made a manager of a location at 166 in Amsterdam, which is uptown. Lenny starts picking up as much as he can from Yale, but his spots drop their revenue and Yale fires him, which like, I don't know, I kind of feel like there's got to be more to that story, you know? Like, you don't just fire a guy when you're in that industry, and that's like it.

So that's one of the unsolved mysteries we'll have to have to have for this episode. Nelson had actually been doing the same thing. And together, they open up their own own crack spot in 1985, 1996. You know, the timeline's a little hazy here, but it all is around that same era. And right now, it's just two crazy young entrepreneurs setting up their own shop following their dreams. The thing is, Nelson sucks at it. He's kind of lazy. He's unfocused. He's buying the crack prepackaged already into individual sale baggies, which, you know, for anything, that cuts tremendously into the profit. And he's just not good at running a business. So eventually, little brother Lenny takes over and starts running the show. And Lenny,

Lenny is good at what he does. He gets his product wholesale. He learns the process of cooking and chopping. He starts selling his own stuff, making money. Remember, he was working for Yale and kind of taking notes in his head about how all this stuff ran. And Yale was a visionary.

This is when their little crew becomes known as Red Top or Lenny's boys, which is actually how they refer to themselves, and Lenny is killing it. So, of course, his old friends from the gang and the neighborhood show up, and he starts hiring them as dealers and enforcers. Yeah, I'm going to guess it's not,

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We'll see. We'll get there. And by the way, they never called themselves. was the wild cowboys, right? The name allegedly comes from an investigator who's talking to a high school teacher and he tells them that the guys act like a bunch of wild cowboys. And then the investigator, I think it was a cop or one of the DAs, starts calling them the wild cowboys. And that's, you know, the media sticks with it. Fucking media's fault. It's always the media. But as far as the old guys come back from the neighborhood, right, take Freddie Kruger, who I mentioned earlier, who would go on to become a feared hitman, obviously from that nickname, you can kind of tell. He had done a two-year

sentence for stealing cars as a teenager, and he's working as a doorman, trying to stay on the straight and narrow. But the gang life is just too much fun. All his friends are getting coke on consignment and just making a ton of money. He quits after Plotano takes him to see the spot where Lenny is moving crack, which is Beach Terrace and Beakman in the Bronx. Everyone is just bringing in money. You know, they're brawling with other crews, going out to clubs like the tunnel in the palladium. They're also all about cars and bikes. They would buy cars, spend $9,000, $10,000, fixing them up, race the car on Saturday night. crash it, and then do it all over again the next week.

And they're getting kind of out of control, right? Because there's no consequences. They're doing things like having target practice off the roof of their buildings. And it's just, you know, it's building. You can kind of see where things are going to go. By 1987, they're doing $15,000 a week in sales. But competition is getting fierce and the guns are always out. Says Lenny, and this is a quote from gangbusters.

One year everybody had guns. It seemed like the whole world was going crazy. That every week, everywhere you looked, someone you knew was getting killed. I wasn't going to let no little kid make his name off me. That's a cool quote. I want to read this book. Sounds great. Yeah, it's very good.

But it's also, you know, one of the things I always find weird with these books is there's a lot of recreated conversations sometimes, right? With like scenes that no one was at these scenes besides the people involved. And I don't think they give, they're not giving straight up rundown to the conversations, right? Maybe they're giving testimony at times and you can play stuff back. But it's also like, unless you have a wire on them, which they didn't.

Like, how do you actually know what was said? So I think. It's interesting with these true crime books, sort of the liberties that get taken in a way, you know? Yeah, yeah. I'll take as many as you want to give me. Actually, no, I won't. No, I won't.

I'll never do such a thing. Yeah. His boys, like Lenny's boys, they go through this metamorphosis too, right? Everyone gets vicious. Plata no was working as an auto mechanic when he got hired in 87 to drive the drugs around. Basically, it's like a low-level transporter.

And he's actually a small guy, but he gets a gun and soon turned to this ruthless killer. Same with Pascalito, who, Lenny always saw as a mama's boy, Pasolito gains a rep as a killer after shooting a corrections officer that was robbing Red Top. And that's actually,

that's another thing too, right? There's a couple instances, I mean, there were rumors that the Wild Cowboys had a cop on the payroll. Other crews during that time had cops on the payroll or corrections officers or things like that. There's a story of a bunch of corrections officers

guarding, I think, a stash house for these guys. So it was just a crazy time. Yes, no. Anyway, Pascolyto gets arrested, but after five months when the case fails because no witnesses are willing to testify. I mean, this becomes a common theme, too, with the Wild Cowboys, he comes back and he starts putting pressure on Lenny to get his own spots.

In the summer of 89, Lenny allows it, but Pascalito has to buy his shit from Lenny and give him most of the profit, and he can't serve too close to Lenny's spots. And he's got to call his own product orange top. Pascoldo, of course, says, fuck that. He gets his own supplier, but then things get tense, and Lenny applies the pressure, and they agree to the deal. And this is like a constant thing we're going to see moving forward. right these friends who came up together they start turning on each other testing each other

sometimes even going to war with each other sometimes telling the police on each other after they get backed up right there's very little loyalty when it actually comes down to it and it's kind of ironic you know they're threatening and killing witnesses but they end up snitching on themselves a lot too i mean they sound like absolute psychopaths these guys what's going on no they they were the cowboys main spot to sell out of a place is called beach terrace but it gets destroyed so they moved into an alley they called the hole in the late 80s. Remember, they were in Washington Heights. That's the northern tip of Manhattan. And just across the super narrow Harlem River is the Bronx, the South Bronx. And that's where they did the majority of their selling and

shooting. It's probably the most notorious area in New York City. I don't know if you've ever seen stuff about the 70s there or there's documentaries and books. It was known for buildings being burned down. It looked like a bombed out war zone. There's crazy footage you can see on YouTube. It was also known for gangs, you know, all those old school gangs with the leather jackets and the cut sleeves and all that. Escape from New York, you know. And the Warriors or whatever. Right.

It's also known for being one of the poorest areas. If not, I think, the poorest area in America, still is one of the poorest areas in Americas. And soon enough, it's known for crack. It's like, wasn't that where the first hip-hop guys came out as well? They were like hooking up boxes to like the fucked up streetlights and stuff like this. Pretty interesting. They're getting customers from Bergen County, New Jersey, which is right.

across the river and like a nice suburb, the North Bronx, Westchester, all over, and they're doing 30K a day between 1988 and 1991. From a New York Times article during the trial, quote, Nelson told of a network of spots in the streets of the South Bronx and Upper Manhattan, controlled by the gang. One particular spot brought in as much as $100,000 a week. Of just that $100,000, Mr. Sipelveda said, he personally took an $8,000 a week. His brother, 13,000, and his crew of managers, those who oversee the spots, $800 a week. The drug itself, he referred to as the work. I mean, I don't know, dude, 800 a week.

To give you a manager, I mean, it's tax free, right? So it's more like, like $13,400 a week, but even so. Like, that's not the best way to earn a living. You know, learn how to code. Like, learn how to code, guys. You'll, you'll make a lot more, you'll make that in a day. Just put in a couple months, figure it out. I want to start the crack dealer to coding pipeline. Oh, man. Get these guys, get these guys paid. Cherry. Yeah, in the South Bronx, you know, they're fighting for territory with bats, knives, just broad day public shootings. And they really kind of make their presence known in 1989, when they publicly execute two dealers thought to have killed one of their friends. The killing gained so much notoriety in the neighborhood. It becomes known as the double.

348 Beacon Ab, it becomes their headquarters. And then it becomes the straight-up zombie land, right? The address becomes infamous. They move in. They give tenants money to set up stash houses, chop shit up, sell out of various tenants apartments, and they'd beat or kill tenants that said no. They would discipline workers by smashing their knuckles with a brick. And they'd send like 10, 11, 12-year-olds there to move the bundles. And there's just public beatings being given out on the daily. Yeah, I mean, I'm not doing this for 800 quid a week.

This doesn't sound anything like worth that money. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's pretty wild. And you guys haven't seen New Jack City, I think. Obviously, it's a movie, right? But it really goes into detail about how some of these, organizations operated in the way they did this sort of stuff. I mean, where are the cops? Where are the cops? Like, is there, and then no police? Dude, it was a different time, you know? Like, it was just, like, New York was insanely

violence, you know, it wasn't like now where maybe you get one or two murders a day. There were crews all, it was still wild, wild era. And of course, you have other things, right? There weren't, there weren't cameras, right? There weren't cell phones. So people could call 911 easily. It was just a really tough time to, I think, shut stuff down. Giuliani. And there's just. There's just, there's lots of gratuitous violence, even against their own workers, if they, you know, stole or dropped the ball. Out of the dozens of drug who was operating at that time, I think there were 60 alone in Manhattan, they had the rep of being among the most violent. Quote, usually gangs employ one or two enforcers, but rarely more than a handful, said a detective.

But with them, they were all shooters. Plotino is the one who gains the rep of being just like, you know, the real shooter or the real killer. And people are terrified of him. Legend has it, an associate had accidentally shot him in the back of the head. He survived somehow, and he comes back and he's just more violent than ever. At one point, he even told informants he was involved in at least 12 homicides in a six-month period. There's a big turning point in 1989, though. That's when fat Frankie Cuevas gets out of prison.

Remember him? You know, he'd come up with all the cowboys. He was a little older and had been the leader of that street gang, the bad, bad boys. So he kind of misses the boat on Coke and Crack and was basically an old man at that point in the game. even though he had been a street legend before. But Lenny links him up, starts fronting him kilos to run his own little thing, and fat Frankie Cuevas does well. They make good partners for the most part.

The whole time, though, they're both expanding, making bank, doling out violence? You can kind of see where it's going to go. Yeah, I mean, I always feel sorry for the gangsters getting fat shame, too, you know? Like, what if Frankie starts lifting or running 10Ks? I mean, give the guy break. That was his nickname. Things changed. Maybe he was like that.

I'm just calling what everyone else called him. You know, it's not me shaming him. I mean, yeah, yeah, okay, okay. By 1991, the violence is just in overdrive. Sometimes it's business, sometimes it's just, you know, senseless acts of violence, like tossing a low-level worker off a roof or setting one on fire. In May of 1991, that's when the cargo murder from the intro happens. And Lenny and the guys, they're getting the fixed gun from the guy named Polanco when all of it goes down.

And he kind of runs with them sometimes. They call him Crazy Ray, and he sold guns and grenades to gangs all over the city. He was also just known as a killer, but he was from Brooklyn, said to run the Gowanus projects. That's in Brooklyn close to where I am actually, where now it's a lot of fancy tech companies are moving and, like, fencing and rock climbing gyms and all that. Yeah, it's like super fancy. I reported on an urban farm on the roof of one of those things a couple of years back. It's a cool view. Yeah, I mean, yeah, the projects are still there, though, and I'm sure they're still a little rough.

Polanco is said to have pulled the strings behind dozens of homicides. He's been shot a bunch too, so much so that he has a colossomy bag. So they're all partying together. Cargo and his friends cut them off. They catch up and Polanco tells Lenny it's time to test out the fix gun. He rolls the window down, pulls the trigger once and it jams. This is Lenny pulling the trigger, by the way. Pulls it again, jams the second time.

He actually passes the gun back to Polanco, who does something to it, like fixes it, hands it back quickly, and then Lenny sprays bullets into the car, killing cargo. It's one of these completely insane old New York murders that just doesn't make any sense, a seemingly random act of violence. I mean, college students getting gunned down on the highway. It's insane. And it looks completely insolvable until the detectives on the case start piecing it together and get clued onto the wild cowboys.

Of course, that always starts with an informant. Meanwhile, though, the violence just continues. In September of 91, there's this wild shootout with a guy named George Calderon, who is some insane gangster in the Bronx. Well, not with him, but with his shooters. And the book refers to him as a, quote, self-styled drugs are,

who exacted toll from the street dealers throughout the South Bronx. Like, who is this guy? It's literally just one line about him in the book. And I mean, come on. Like, I need to know more. It also says the shootout had so many rounds. It sounded like Beirut. I mean, he sounds like Omar, this guy.

Sounds great. Like, character-wise. Well, I don't think he would, I don't think he was robbing them. I think he was taxing them, right? So that's a major difference. Ah. At this point, Lenny, he's just stressed out, right? There's too much violence, too much chaos.

And he just cops a plea to a gum charge. he's facing to serve a year a year in jail. It's almost like, you know, he sees it almost as a vacation, right? He's going to go there, get his mind right and come back, and he leaves Nelson in charge. In December, though, just days before Christmas, things are going to get even worse. There's this 17-year-old dealer, Anthony Green. He's working for a separate crew called the Yellow Top Crew, and he's selling his crack for $3, which is undercutting the $5 red top spot. And he's told to sell elsewhere, but he doesn't listen. Nelson calls the hit out, and the red top crew shows up in two cars. You know, some places say there's two shooters, some say four shooters, some say

eight. But they shoot Anthony six times and kill him. And then just start shooting anyone near him. Customers, bystanders, other workers. When it's all over, four people are dead, including a mother of three. Jesus Christ, so awful. God. Yeah, I mean, this is like front of the newspaper, like a quadruple homicide is not that, not that common. Even back then. Remember, Lenny's still locked up, right? And things are going a little south. And Fat Frankie, he decides, He's going to take advantage of this. And he starts trying to take over some of the red top crew, you know, Lenny's territory. Frankie Lenny had been friends.

Lenny even fronted him keys. Frankie's even there the night Lenny shoots the cargo kid. But that doesn't stop him from trying to take over the spots. And Lenny's crew even sent Freddie Kruger over to kill Frankie, which he fails to do. So, you know, a war breaks out. And drug crews in the Bronx broke on Uptown. Back then, I mean, they're always getting into these sort of wars. What's crazy, though, is how many of these guys know each other grew up with each other.

other got money together in the beginning you know actually just stop where now dale i don't even think we can do this because of fair use or spotify showing us down or whatever but go put on jz's to evils right now it's off his first album just like take a break listen to that listen to the lyrics and it's just it's so i mean it's just friends turning on freds and what he says what's the line we used to fight for building blocks now we fight for blocks with buildings that make a killing the closest of friends when we first started but grew apart as the money grew and soon grew blackhearted. I mean, that, you know, one of the best songs of all time.

I think it was a reasonable, yeah, reasonable doubt, like 94, 95. Just so many lines in that song. I never prayed to God. I prayed to Godi. Like, they just don't, they don't make it like that anymore, you know? Yeah, they just don't, they don't, it's not the same. But go listen to that song right now. I genuinely thought you were going to wrap it and I was so excited.

Nah, dude, I mean, I'm embarrassing, but I'm not that embarrassing. You know, you got to, you got to, I'm already like a late 30s, already a late 30s white guy quoting Jay Z in a podcast. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can't. That's like, that's already. You need to listen to the other 60 fucking shows that we've done then. Yeah, that's already pretty questionable.

But if I started wrapping it too, I mean, that's just, yikes, you know? Anyway, where were we? Right? Oh, yeah. Wars going on. The walls are closing in. The police at this point, they do have everyone under surveillance and they're just, they're watching.

Plotino gets arrested in Jersey in January. He's got drugs in the car. He gets interrogated. He actually gives up. many right away when the highway shooting comes up, but you can't build a case off just the word of Plata No, so he soon gets let go and he's back on the street. And also, I mean, this book, it really teaches you how much is needed to bring like a mass, or at least back then, a massive drug case because there really is like so much stuff happening and they know so much that's going

on, but they can't bring the case because they don't have the evidence right there. So it's kind of, it's really interesting to see that, right? In March, Fat Frankies with two of his bodyguards, but they're caught slipping. He gets. shot up, but, you know, somehow survives. And it sets off a new wave of just shootings all over. They're shooting up nightclubs, shooting their own workers. They burn down Fat Frankie's restaurant. Plotano gets gunned down in April, and he should have died, but he pulls through and again. He tells cops that Frankie did it. So Plotano's just snitching on everyone, right? Then in June, Lenny gets released from the tombs, which is the jail in Manhattan, after the gun charge finishes out.

And he walks just right into a shitstorm. Businesses down. The quad shooting made that spot too hot. the war with Frank is going on, and he's just got to pick up the pieces. Anyway, also in 1992 for context, and it's wild that I didn't really know about this. July 3rd, Washington Heights, you know, it's been hot forever with clashes between gangs and police. There's a story of this cop who's like 24 getting gunned down earlier. It was a big deal. So July 3rd, a cop goes to stop and frisk a local drug dealer. He refuses, they wrestle.

The cop shoots him and kills him, and it becomes this flashpoint. And I think at first the guy is portrayed as like a regular citizen. Activist sees on it. honestly not saying you should gun down drug dealers but you know what I'm saying and there's just like three days of riding and chaos in Washington Heights

and I know my New York City history I know about all this stuff here did not know there was a ride in Washington Heights in 1992 which is you know maybe on me but so yeah it's just like chaos in the streets right I should also add this whole time the cops are still building the case

there's real serious investigations dozens of people involved and the gang knows they're under surveillance they just don't seem to care they think they're untouchable and they even expanded opening up a spot all the way out in Brighton Beach selling crack. A local dealer actually fought them,

but they come back and they kill him again in broad daylight. So when they eventually go on trial, one of the headlines was all about how this crew had committed murders in three different boroughs. I mean, is brighton beach as weird a spot as it seems to me? It's miles away from the Bronx. And like, given the Brighton Beach Russian guys are basically murderous psychos, maybe they do a little market research before moving in,

or maybe that's the point? I don't know. I don't know. Like, from the stories we did on the Russians, that's, what, 40 episodes back? They never really got involved in the crack game. I don't think it was a thing for them. And there are housing projects down there. So maybe it was like, you know, different.

Like, there's definitely Puerto Ricans and the Mexicans down there. So maybe it was like they moved into that sort of community and the Russians stay out of it. But that's a really interesting question to understand why there wasn't clashes. Or at least they weren't. They're not out there yet. Yeah. But yeah, they're getting pursued heavy and somehow getting away with it. And one time Lenny even slips out of it.

the cuffs, dodges an arrest by jumping off a 15-foot platform and just runs away. At one point, that shooter, Pasolito, he gets arrested for being involved in a witness shooting, as well as a suspect in four other homicides, and he gets let go for $25,000 bail. I mean, what, it sounds like it's Philadelphia, you know, you call that getting Crasnard. Who that? He's the current DA for Philadelphia, and I have a story about that I will tell after the shoot that I'm kind of phone producing gets done in the next couple of weeks, because, uh, Anyway, we'll get to that eventually. By the fall of 92, the investigation is nearly done.

Wiretaps, informants coming through, including some shooters who had just had various petty grievances, like one guy who's locked up and never gets visited, so he talks. And this case is coming together. You know, there are some failed raids, but they're doing buying busts. They're setting everything up. Another wild cowboy comes to the precinct. He starts giving up info saying he was cheated. He gives up a stash house and they raid that and they arrest a few of the redtop guys.

And it's kind of wild, like I said, how much info these guys actually give up on each other, despite the loyalty they're supposed to have. It's all nonsense, man. All that stuff is not. There's no code, right? All this stuff is nonsense. In the winter that year, just the weirdest thing. Lenny's been dodging the cops for months, and he actually shows up to a court case about a gun charge or something relatively minor.

The cops get tipped off. You know, they're literally in the courtroom, just like, looking at him as this thing is playing itself out. They think maybe the lawyer told him some bad info that he could show. up and it will be fine. There's literally a chase through the courthouse and they eventually collar him. Plotino, by the way, had also been locked up after he got shot up and Nelson is on the run of the Dominican Republic. And the midst of all this, you know, Lenny being locked up, that other shooter, Pascalido, he does a dryby and finally kills Frankie Cuevas. I mean, I know this is all like really dark, but it's getting kind of comical the way they're just

hitting each other nonstop every day. It's madness. Yeah, I mean, it is. is pretty crazy. I think the comical thing is the chase through the, uh, the courthouse, even though it's a brutal killer. You kind of put some, uh, what's that, what's that music? You know, the, the, the old school chase music. Oh, the old school chase music. But the Benny Hill, the Benny Hill music. Yeah, the Benny, you put the Benny Hill on that. Um, but no, it's not funny. They're, they're bad people. Anyway, throughout 93, the cops continue to pick off members of the Wild Cowboys, doing raids,

arresting, going through mounds of evidence. They end up zeroing in on 60 felonies. There's 45 defendants and over 100 witnesses. Pasolito and Nelson were the only top dogs still free, and both are in the DR. They eventually get caught both of them, and since they're both American-born, AKA, citizens, the Dominican authorities, they make the extraditions go pretty smoothly.

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I don't think with gangs down there. I mean, yeah, there were some connections, right? They imported guys to serve as shooters. And they were working through, I think, they were working through contacts that were in the Dominican Republic that were like, you know, the, what do you call it? The go-betweens. What's the word for? God, I can't think of anything right now.

The brokers. The brokers. The brokers were in the DR. But yeah, you know, they didn't go into specifics about that, but I think it's an interesting question. The trial ends up starting in 1994, though a lot of the guys plead out. There's a ton of security and there's rumors there were hits put out on the lawyers and cops from the jail. What's crazy is that both Lenny and Nelson cop pleas in exchange for their testimony. I mean, their pleas are 25 to life, but still, you know, it's kind of weird that both of the leaders take plea deals to testify against their lower-ranked soldiers.

I don't know. I mean, I guess they're helping put more people in prison, but it just struck me as strange. I mean, they both even take the stand. Yeah, that is weird. Here's a Times article from around then, quoting. With his former workers watching him passively from a bank of defense tables to his right, Mr. Sipelveda, a slim-faced man in blue jeans and a multicolored sweater, spoke during the morning of the mundane daily workings of the organization that he and his brother Lenin, 27, better known as Lenny, had founded in 1986. I was in charge of the apartments, Mr. Sipoveta testified.

I took care of the kitchen, cutting and weighing, hiring the workers, paying the workers. Referring to his brother, Mr. Sipoveta said, he took care of the spots. I mean, I guess you could say that Lenin was the red square of the gang, right? He didn't get so bullshit? That's two Soviet puns, that's enough. We weren't going to make it through the whole episode without you trying something like that. But I appreciate you waiting until the end. Yeah, I must go.

not to scare off, like not to scare off the listeners before the ads ran, you know, and that's, um, that show sacrifice and, um, maturing on your part. Yeah, yeah. Here's a sentence from a UPI write-up. Quote, one defendant wore a black t-shirt emblazoned with a large white skull during Tuesday's proceedings and made obscene gestures at the assistant district attorney, which like, it doesn't, I don't know, I wouldn't do that if I was on trial. It doesn't, it's not, it's not helpful. in general, you know. It doesn't seem like it gives too much of a shit, but yeah. No, definitely, definitely not.

But there's actually, there's a bunch of interesting cases going on right now. There was a campaign. One of the guys arrested for the quad shooting is saying that he actually wasn't involved and a couple of, you know, little things like that. But yeah, at the height, the Wild Cowboys brought in $60 million a year, had between 40 to 60 members and were connected to anywhere between 30 and 60 murders. So pretty wild stuff, but it's also interesting, you know, we know about this gang because there was a book written about them, right? I'm sure, like there were other big crews during this time and you kind of wonder, like, were they this, did they deserve these superlatives?

Were they this like super functioning, well-known gang? There were so many other gangs during the crack era that were bringing in a ton of money. Sometimes you wonder, do they only have this sort of like craziest, you know, most violent, whatever else it is? because they were the ones that, like, you know, got the, got the book treatment. Yeah. I mean, it's just, I want to say before we close out this episode, that if people do sign up to the top Patreon tier, Danny will wrap the whole of the blueprint on one of our episodes. I don't think that's a good, that's a good idea. And I also, I wouldn't wrap, if I was going to wrap a Jay Z album, it wouldn't be the blueprint.

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