The Underworld Podcast - Underworld Special - On The Hunt for Himalayan Purple Haze in Nepal

Episode Date: February 21, 2023

For thousands of years, Nepali farmers grew some of the world’s trippiest marijuana, in Himalayan valleys so fertile they were considered sacred. In the 1960s western hippies flocked to capital city Kathmandu, and divined wisdom at the thick end of a hash pipe. Nepal was suddenly the world’s cannabis capital. Then Richard Nixon’s White House launched the War on Drugs, and pressured Nepal’s young king to ban the drug. Cops sent the hippies packing, and torched farmers’ cash crops. The result? Poverty, a black market in hard drugs—and a brutal Communist uprising that ripped through rural valleys like wildfire. Today, though, Nepal is poised to legalize weed once more. Sean took a trip from Kathmandu into the Himalayan foothills in search of OG Purple Haze with two former heroin addicts—and got way more than he bargained for. Sound design, scoring and production by the ever-brilliant Dale Eisinger. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Summer of love. Grateful Dead. Flowers in rifle barrels. You know it. That stuff came from Nepal, more specifically, growing wild on the slopes of the Himalayan foothills, rolled bare hand and smuggled into Europe and the US on planes, boats, or just plain old stereotype VW campers following paths beaten out by ancient Silk Road traders. This stuff didn't need VCs, no greenhouses, no hydroponics,

just a lush valley in Everest shadow burning hot by day, wet and foggy by night and a keen-eyed Nepali farmer keeping watch over the whole thing. Thousands of years ago, Tibetans fleeing persecution flooded across stick-thin mountain passes to grow it. They discovered valleys so bucolic and virile

they chalked it up to divine luck. These were sacred, hidden places, visible only to believers. You could stand smack bang in the middle of one of these things and you could never even know it existed. Centuries later, when Western hippies flocked to Nepal, they called the valley Shangri-La. But that was a phrase,

some British writer had actually conjured up in the 1930s. The locals knew the sacred valleys as something else altogether. Bayol. Now if you imagine taking a three-day, trip into a bail in the heart of the Himalayan mountains, searching for some of the world's rarest strains of marijuana in a beat-up Indian all-roader with two of Nepal's best-known weed activists. You might imagine a soundtrack of wind chimes and sitar strung by bow-legged yogis, cosmic gongbars and vibes for downward dogs, Dharma and a deep spiritual connection with

mother nature. In this case, you'd be wrong. Welcome to the Underwalt podcast. I'm in the pool. More specifically, a tumble-down gas station on the edge of its cramped chaotic capital city Kathmandu. 9,000, what? 9,900 and 3,30.

30.30. That is literally everything I have. It's morning, but it's already roasting hot. my t-shirts soaked through. There's a long journey ahead, about three days of it in total. So me and my co-wanderers are stocking up on supplies. Cigarettes, off-brand red bull, and most importantly, pan. A highly carcinogenic, Asian chewing snack that's like a potpourri of tobacco, seeds and spices.

And it turns your teeth this deep red like you've been drinking human blood all day. think I'll pass, cheers. As you may have guessed, I'm on a journey to see the famed purple haze marijuana of Nepal. But where I'm headed to see it and who I'm headed there with? Well, that's a whole other story. Those guys you can hear over early 2000s, Jay-Z, the louder one, well, that's my driver. His name's Dipesh. He's a recovering heroin addict, used to work at Wichita, Kansas Taco Bell Kitchen.

tight wound dreads, smile like the Grinch. He swears weed has saved his life, and he pays it forward, right? Dipesh is high 24-7, seven days a week. The other guy's name is Madan. He's also a recovering heroin addict. His squat, gelled hair, dresses like a jackass era skater, straight edge, doesn't drink, only smokes a bowl when he's sick, but he sells the stuff.

Loads of it. And he was arrested last year for throwing himself in front of the Prime Minister's car in Kathmandu. Calls himself Nepal's weed influencer. And let's just say he's got the life story to back it up. Friends called him Joseph. So do I. Hey, did you used to get good weed in Wichita? The Mexican weed. The Mexican weed. Thing is, this country is poised to legalize weed. and that would bookend one of the world's most brutally violent stories of the war on drugs.

One which began decades before when Catmandu was ground zero for the global hippie scene. And that, well, that is what this journey is all about. But to understand that and why I'm subjecting myself to 72 hours of music I last heard when I have frosted tips, well, we've got to go way back, way back when. Yeah, awesome, man. It is too good in Nepal, man. But you need to find the place, you know? Here, like, if you smoke, they'd be like the animal smoking, you know?

We are humans. We need good wheat to function. So these guys do the best wheat, or is it like... Oh, no, we do the best wheat. They grow the wheat. We got the best wheat, man. It's all about taking care of the plant, loving the plant. you know, he's being with the plant, you know, for me.

Yeah. And there are, I would say, growers, cultivators and everybody. But this is something different. I love the plant. I am the plant. Yeah. This is going to be an interesting few days. Oh, yeah, man.

Just say what you have. One, two, three, four. Hello. Hello. Namaste. This is Kanak. Kanak Mali Dixit, a Nepali author, was born in 1956. six years after Nepal's paranoid, insular king, through its borders open to the world.

In the early 70s, yes, Street was the rage because it has these old townhouses of Kathmandu. Three stories were essentially the bottom and the second story were the living outdoor quarters, meaning frontages. The top floor would be the kitchen of the family. So this elongated road just south, of the Kathmandu Darbar, the kings of Kathmandu would have lived there before unification. That is where they all gathered. Firstly, because it was the epicenter of Kathmandu Valley and the epicenter of Nepal. In 1961, when Dixit was a kid, Nepal taxed and licensed marijuana stores anticipating a wave of Western travelers along the so-called hippie trail. An overland route

from Europe through Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan and Nepal that mirrored trading routes along the ancient Silk Road. And those royal officials were right. By the time Canak was a young man, thousands of Batik-shirted hippies visited Kathmandu to define Eastern wisdom at the thick end of a hash pipe. Places like the Eden Hashi Center, the cabin and the central Hashi store became load stars for the counterculture movement. and they were all dotted along Freak Street.

But Weed's history in Nepal went way back, way, way further back than that. Cannabis has its origin as a plant in this region, the Himalayan region, generally speaking, and so the evolution of human society in the Himalaya and in South Asia, you can say, has been together with the cannabis plant. As a result, the faiths of South Asia, the culture of South Asia, the cannabis plant is part and parcel of that evolution. And it includes the fact that the gods are also allowed to smoke hashish, ganja. And so the prime deity who uses ganja is Shiva, one of the holy trinity of Hinduism.

But he was only a later manifestation of earlier gods. When Vedic Hinduism entered South Asia, then they converted existing gods into the Vedic gods. So you would expect that the use of cannabis has had a longer history than even the present-day faith and religion. Shiva made no secret of his love for a seh on the good stuff. And once a year, Nepalese down-tools pick up a clay pipe and head to their local temple for something called the Shiva Ratri. A day-long festival where everybody sings, dances, and yeah, gets really, really baked. Not even the cops care if you're high on Shiva Rattari. Even when smoking of Gaja was made illegal in the 60s and 70s, there is one day when it's allowed.

That's because that is the day and the night of the Shiva, night of the Shiva meaning Shiverratri. that festival once a year is where it's allowed but it's in congruous that you allow it on a holiest days and then you don't allow it the rest of the days because if you allow smoking gaza out of your religious convictions then such convictions should last throughout the year

but when Jimmy Hendrix sang about Purple Hays in 1967 it gave Nepali weed a new global notoriety in the West the Catman The Hindu was the beating heart of a recently opened, uncolonized nation in the middle of a green, naturally air-conditioned valley. You could get a taste of the old world for next to nothing. Folks were hooked. Thrill seekers, hippies tired of materialism, Vietnam draft dodgers, socialists, they all came to the city.

Many wouldn't turn back for months, or even years. The welcomingness of Nepal has to do with the diversity of its country. the diversity of its population, that you always open to the other. So this meant that it became a pleasant place. And on top of it, all cannabis was available for free. Down on the road just below from where I live, if there is no tarmac, if there is a bush growing, more likely than not, it will be a cannabis plant.

And so this just added to the allure of Nepal, to the extent that almost all of the overland trippies, as they were called, which also became hippies, Almost all of them sold their vans and essentially decided to hang out in Nepal rather than go back to the Gangeshitic Plains and move on eastward from here. So Nepal became the prime endpoint. For many, Kathmandu was the bail, the destination itself. For others, Nepal became a transshipment point for huge quantities of hash,

alongside Kandahar and Afghanistan, and it made its way back into American homes via smuggling operations like the Brotherhood of Eternal Love and their world famous guru Timothy Leary. We tell young people today, drop out of school because schools' education today is the worst narcotic drug of all. Don't politic, don't vote. These are old men's games, impotent and senile men that want to put you on to their old chess games of war and power. Drop out. tune in with natural things.

Take off your shoes. Get back in tune with God's harmony. Surround yourself with beauty and sacred objects. You can't get caught in the conforming, rote, lockstep, which we call American society. By 1971, Americans were protesting U.S. foreign policy on the very temple steps of the Kathmandu Durbar itself. Rumor had it, the daughter of a prominent senator, was among the shaggy-haired revolutionaries herself. For hippies, it felt like the movement had hit its heights,

right along the very smoke shops of Freak Street that had started the whole thing. Then, it all changed. Enter President Richard Nixon. Nixon had fought his presidential campaign on a full-a-nation law-and-order ticket, and the thought of unwashed Americans corrupting his youth from some Asian backwater, hell no. It was time for tricky dick to break out the big guns. America's public enemy number one in the United States is drug abuse.

In order to fight and defeat this enemy, it is necessary to wage a new all-out offensive. I've asked the Congress to provide the legislative authority and the funds to fuel this kind of an offensive. This will be a worldwide offensive. dealing with the problems of sources of supply as well as Americans who may be stationed abroad wherever they are in the world. A war on drugs, fought across the globe and in the halls of the United Nations in New York City, a tool to bring those teetering between the U.S. and the Soviet Union closer on side. It sounded good at the time. After all, heroin addiction was soaring in U.S. cities, and it was only getting worse among the men and women returning on military planes from Saigon.

Dig a little deeper and it wasn't quite so righteous. Nixon's domestic affairs chief, John Ehrlichman, would never spell it out clearer than in a 1994 Harper's Magazine feature. We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, he said. But by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their. homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them, night after night on the evening news. Wishing you could be there live for the big game, soaking up the atmosphere of the crowd. But too often, life gets busy, or the price hold you back.

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the move was a disaster. For centuries, marijuana was the cash crop. Farmers weaved it into clothing, cooked with its oil and fed it to cattle to increase their appetite. Yes, Nepal's farmers thrived thanks in part to the fact they gave their cows the raging munchies. But when Nixon's edicts filtered down to their remote bails, everything ended. People struggled to live. And not just anybody. Here's Kanak again.

If you wear well-to-do, you would have a rice paddy at the base of the valley. If you are slightly worse off, you would be able to grow corn and other kinds of mountain barley and other kinds of hill staples. It's the poorest of the poor that would go to the truly marginalized terraces and grow cannabis. So you are poor to begin with. And then that little source of cash income that you had in a society that was slowly becoming cash oriented and you needed cash even to live a subsistence life, That got taken away from you. Nixon's war on drugs was designed to stop communism. But in Western Nepal, whose poorest farmers were stripped of their livelihood,

desperate and starving, the plan would backfire in spectacular fashion when a new rebel force rolled into town. Led by a mysterious former agriculture graduate named Prachanda, Maoist guerrilla's swelled in size, promising to rid Nepal of its avaricious monarchy and deliver its people from some of the worst poverty on earth. Embed with a Marxist-Leninist seal similar to the people's liberation army to Nepal's north, an Indian-Naxalite rebels to itself,

the Maoist insurgents vowed to raise communism's red flag atop the summit of Everest. The patriarchal makeup of societies in Nepal's rural areas made for light-conquering work and swift death for anyone refusing to live in the Maoists' hammer and sickle, Utah. The Maoists used the gun in isolated villages where the state security was not there. So with one gun, you could control the whole valley because you just have to do an exemplary torture or killing or whatever. And then you have a little bit of countdown because the state is not there to protect you.

The Maoist bivouacked in the former wee growing villages out west of Kathmandu, deep in the Himalayan foothills, the Bayears. their headquarters, a tiny little place, a scratch in the district of Rolpah called Tobang. It's not a civil war, it's an internal conflict. Civil war implies that there is a base area, you are there and you have got a population with you and you are fighting the state. No, this is a scattered insurgency of hit-and-run people. So it was an internal conflict. Amid the violence, the use of hard drugs in Nepal skyrocketed.

from these new underworlds. One small tribe, up in the snow-capped north of Nepal, Kornamunangi, became so rich by gatekeeping lucrative opium routes across the Himalayas that they transformed their ramshackle villages into luxury towns and bought up entire city blocks in Kathmandu. But for the majority of Nepalis, the war on drugs meant little more than death, destruction and deepening hardship. Heroin addiction was followed quickly by an epidemic of HIV and AIDS infections. Some eeked out livelihood smuggling illicit weed from their villages across to India. Others barely survive off the land. It was an impossibly precarious life and many fell through its gaping cracks. This is where Joseph comes in.

Firstly, we used to start from cigarette and Gaza and drinks and after that Koriks, Kovsirav, and that brown and then injection. I think we have an emptiness, no. Every people have emptiness. Every people have something emptiness. At the time, I feel like that. That's where I used to feel it by the drugs. That's my emptiness.

Joseph didn't need a doctor to tell him he had HIV. It was inevitable. In 2001, Nepal's Prince Dependra went on a drug and boo's fueled rampage at Kathmandu's palace, massacring nine members of his family, including King Berendra and Queen Ishwaria. With the monarchy in disarray, the Maoists stepped up the insurgency. They detonated bombs on busy buses and murdered civilians for no apparent reason other than to terrify the Nepali population.

Some of them even traded weed across the Indian border for weapons and ammunition. In October 2002, a gang of them stood. stormed the city in southwestern Nepal, near India, called Kanchampur, where Joseph's father worked as a pharmacist and anti-communist politician. Around midnight, some 20 to 25 men showed up at my father's doorstep and knocked on his door. They claimed to be friends of a friend looking for medicine. When my father figured something was wrong, they changed their tune. They told him, if you don't come out, we'll toss a bomb through your window.

Joseph's father did as he was told. The rebels grabbed him and dragged into a square where four of Kanchampur's main streets met. By now, worried neighbors have come outside to see what the fuss was about. The initial intention was to break a limb or two, to scare everyone. But the situation escalated. There was a lot of pent-up anger. The rebels slit my foot. father's throat there and then.

Joseph didn't want revenge, and at first, he didn't want to get clean either. Instead, he flared across the border to Delhi, the Indian capital, and worked at a hospice for HIV and AIDS patients. It was there that he saw how marijuana could ease some people's pain and give them sucker in their final days. When he returned to Nepal, he'd make it his life's goal to make the stuff legal. I learned how to grow and harvest my own cannabis. I understood how this plant was good for the soil, the environment, the country and even the world.

This is where the calls for democracy began. Imagine thousands of people filling this Kulamang square, demanding the end of the monarchy after years of political repression by the new king. Many of them were arrested and beaten by the police. In 2008, the war ended, and the Pali's went back to the polls for the first time in the war. years. The Maoists then to Parliament and then, by most accounts, did very little. Corruption soared, and Nepalis wondered if the armed struggle had been all for nothing. Joseph and a fellow activist, and former member of Nepal's parliament named Rajiv Kathli, got out on the campaign trail.

They lobbied politicians, pulled off headline-crabbing protests, and took signatures from rural Nepalis who'd been affected by the war on drugs the most. In 2017, They introduced a bill to legalize weed, and 54 MPs signed it. Yeah, I've been a drug user openly, a drug user. I'm living with HIV for over 20 years now. That's Rajee. When I met him at Kathmandu Jazz Bar ahead of my trip with Joseph. So we have our drug policy wrong, and we're trying to fix it.

But it's a difficult thing because it involves very big people. And, you know, I'm doing independently is not as easy as, like, protecting a... cultural heritage or a statue or whatever, you know, you get like, yeah, scared sometimes. These days, it's surprising to find a Nepali politician who isn't in favour of legalizing the drug. And leaders often stand up in parliament or appear on popular TV shows to argue how the war on drugs was a kind of cultural colonialism. Here's Kanak. Nepal's economy as a whole is impacted, our tourism has been impacted,

and our peace of mind has been impacted for doing something that has been historically, culturally sanctioned and now suddenly made illegal. Whereas the very societies that made Nepal go illegal, themselves are going into legalization. Talk about California. Talk about various U.S. states. Talk about Thailand. Talk about the various European countries. So what's going on here? The West makes Nepal make cannabis illegal, both its cultivation and its gene.

impacting the poorest of the poor, it also brings a huge fall of insecurity among those that who continue to use or to cultivate. Meanwhile, the people who made us do it and their descendants in the West are willy-neally legalizing it. So this cannot be. And that's why I was hit in the road with Joseph and Dipesh, traveling for 10 hours and 150 miles on day one. each of us coated in a thick black layer of filth.

How are you feeling? I can't believe it. I can't believe you just did that. That was insane. Some of those fucking roads, man. I'm like, I'm very, very freaking upset of this road. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had no imagination. It would be like this. Because when I put in the map, it says 100 kilometers, right?

It was still 30 miles to add to it. destination, Tavang, the town that had once been the H-Q of the Maoist uprising, and whose farmers the war on drugs had hit hardest. It was there, Joseph told me. We'd find the OG Purple Hays. So what do we have in? What do we have in? We'll have chicken curry and... That's enough for me. Yeah? I'll like anything. I'll eat anything. Yeah. less than 30 miles, but as I'd soon find out, it would almost have been quicker to walk. I don't understand what he's working, okay? Yeah.

Yeah. What is sitting? I don't understand. But the grow of music, I go. Even today, Nepal is the 10th biggest producer of cannabis resing. the world. On day two, I swear Depeche tried smoking a lot. I counted over a dozen joints, a couple Havana-sized blunts, rolling them while driving, rolling them at rest stops and villages and backcountry restaurants. The guy is an absolute machine. Says he hit Rock Bottom a few years

back, went out into the middle of nowhere to find himself, came back with a renewed focus on life and a goal to smoke weed from all over the country. Like, weed is medicine for me. And in my meds, right? Yeah. So basically, I was going to meet these guys all over from Nepal, smoking and talking like, they have the best weed in the country, you know?

I thought. Then I went to meet these guys as well. Then when I get there, damn, the shit they're smoking is like, I don't know what they were smoking, you know? I'm like, no way. Look at this. Look at this head anchos.

And then I knew they were not, like some were smoking, some were not smoking, but they knew everything about the plant. Yeah. How they can change the country. I was not thinking about changing the country or anything, you know. I was just thinking like people like me in bipolar and all these things, they did help. Yeah. I can help. So that was my thing.

But when I met these guys, they talked about country, you know. I said, okay. If one can do all these things that we and these guys have planned, why not? Yeah. And I think, according to Mr. Bill Gates, that's the hardest job to me, done by the religious person, you know? Uh-huh. I guess I think I'm the craziest person in this world. And so it went like this for a day, switching from Dipesh to Fred Durst to Joseph to Chester Bennington,

Philosophy and new metal and smoking and, oh yeah, the view. Rising up one side of the valley before heading down the other side into Tavang. Skinny mountain passes, fuzzy green forest to one side, the Annapuna Massive to the other. Peaks so tall that even here, thousands of feet up with breath hard to take, I'm looking skywards at them. If there's a place to get baked, it's probably here. And even though I don't really smoke much myself, hotboxing in an SUV with Dupesh is enough for a pretty potent contact high. No, not for me. Finally, at around 10pm on day two, we rolled into Tehran.

30 miles in about 12 hours. Insane roads that would be completely unpassable in rainy season and which almost were anyway. man You are amazing Hey, nice to me My god this car is covered in shit It's 10pm and we finally made it to the town of Tabang It's buried deep in the Himalayan foothills

23 hours of driving The last few of which were on mudlogged tracks in darkness Fog rolling in like we were drifting through some kind of purgatory it was all pretty weird and tiring. But actually that fogs what make the local cash crops so famed around the world. It basks in mountainside sun all day and then sucks the moisture out of the fog at night. And that's what we're here to see after all, which is the purple haze, right? The stuff came a bartering tool for the rebels, the Maoists who fought a civil war against

the monarchy. And during those times the guys told me the gunshots will actually ring out all night from the hilltops and the mountains above us where we are. people are still scared to come to the bank today actually but i'm not really sure whether that's because it was the headquarters of those Maoists back in the day or if it's the hotel rooms honestly man this is probably the grimmest place i've stayed in a while might need to smoke myself before bed um lucky the boys are next door and they've uh they're not sure of a joint or two jose doesn't smoke but dishesh and this other guy he never asked my name i never asked his

they started at breakfast might not be the most comforting thing when you're peering down out the car window at certain death. Anyway, we made it. And tomorrow, then, we'll be trekking up the mountains to see some real OG purple haze weed. Stuff that these folks hope might finally pull them out of poverty.

Because, I guess, like me tonight, they don't have a pot to piss in, despite living in a place where there's riches literally sprouting right outside out of the earth. Yeah, that's me done. Catch you tomorrow. Some follow the noise. Bloomberg follows the month.

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has never been stronger in marijuana production, and it continues to kill and destroy thousands of lives along the way. Despite what happened in the 1970s, Nepal still has a thriving black market in the drug, and that's unlikely to end anytime soon. Because of other nations' tight import laws, Nepal can't just set up a billion-dollar industry overnight. It's artisanal experts of diet out or left, and the king torched entire native strains. The crazy, evolved, high THC strains you might get in a Denver or an Amsterdam dispensary, you're not going to find them in the pool. Most likely, the country will first have to concentrate on medical-grade marijuana, a global industry that's already worth over $14 billion worldwide. Then, when scientists and labs and storage facilities

come to its rural areas, perhaps Nepal can build its legendary recreational market back from the ashes. Here's U.S. Israeli weed journalist and friend of the show, Ben Hartman. There's this constant desire to look for like new kind of cool ways. Like, you know, how much can you really say about weed? It's like, okay, you've got you can smoke it, you got edibles, you got gummies. Like they're still trying to think of a new niche, a new thing, a new whatever. And I guess when the market gets bigger and more saturated, I think that increases the,

is the need to people to try to come up with something new. Like, how do you differentiate yourself when everybody's got great weed? You know, everybody's chasing kind of the same strains or, you know what I mean? And the consumer is becoming more mature and more knowledgeable and you can't just wow them with like some herb, you know, so maybe like balls and something like that. It would be new to like Americans or other people in a way that maybe it could work. You know what I mean? Like a...

Maybe, but it will take time. Lots of it. But there are some things that legalization would improve overnight. Of 25,000 or so people in Nepal's jails, over a third are behind bars on drug charges. And almost all of them are poor growers or smugglers into India. And that definitely would change. And there's an even bigger issue that a thriving weed industry might just help reverse. Last year, last year's

Last year, over has been made their nation to look at the British people have seen aparish people have slaves

Last year, over 620,000 Nepalis left their nation to work in the Persian Gulf, mostly on the infrastructure behind Qatar's 2022 FIFA World Cup.

Up to 6,000 of them have returned in body bags. Most are from one-time we growing villages like Tavang. On day three of my own trip into the foothills, I'd finally see the place up close, and with it, hopefully some of Nepal's original Purple Haze. We're not, we're here, at the start of our party's tariff's heart of our people,

we're up to us, In the country, there's in the area, there were, we're the country where we're we're being, we're being, we're made, we're made.

So, the janta, actually, 100 yards away from this place I was staying at, this school just round there, surrounded by hills, the clouds are just sort of evaporating off the top of them. There's an old brick school building kids doing their ABCs,

and there's an old couple, couple in the garden behind them and there's just a couple of like, I don't know, 10, 12 feet high. And cannabis trees growing just regularly in the garden. I mean, there's stuff everywhere. There's, there's where we're near our bar. We're, there's time. It's not that it would. I'm not, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

This is it. God God's, God's, God's, but you know, this Karmundum, then, now it's just right, right? It's the, it's the, it's the, it's all right? Alright, so yeah, the whole place is sort of like located on the slope of a valley. Joseph said there's 20,000 people living here, I'm not sure that's true. I think it seems way similar than that, but maybe. It's just now.

What else should I be saying about this? Hello. The first thing that strikes you, after Joseph's singing that is, is that this place is beautiful. Holy shit. Is that all cannabis? A small tangle of tin-roofed homes, surrounded by valleys, and the snowy Himalayan peaks further off in the distance. It's cold at sunrise.

That's when the sun starts to burn off fog that allows places like Tavang to act as natural hydroponic labs. about an hour after that and it's boiling hot. There's like dozens and dozens and dozens of trees. And it's really not that hard to find the weed.

The plants are everywhere. In the corners of fields, along paths, there's even a bunch right outside of school. What kind of stuff is this? This is basically if you see that can be used for clothes, you know, for textile.

None of the kids The kids of these two farmers we met go to that though. They're part of the massive brain drain that continues emptying out places like Tavang years after the rebels left. Adding to the 1,200 or so folks who lost their lives here in the conflict. These are the people the war and drugs hit hardest, whose homelands were gutted of plants and people. And they're the folks who, if marijuana is legalized again here, half a century later,

but they might just claw back an industry to cool their own. And that's not that they don't grow it already. That is pungent. What he's saying is fucking too good to be true. Those are pigs. They stink a lot. Do you smell? No.

It's because of this weed, everything's fucking covered. See? Yeah, yeah. Good trick. These two farmers we met, they said they still rubbed their weed into hash each year. But if the cops catch them, they'll get shaken down for a $20 bribe,

or get sent to prison. And that's a lot of money, considering that a bus into the nearest town where people can sell their stuff, that costs up to $8 a time. This is plant. If they sell it, they will get money, no? Then these people have to be,

united for this. And they have to voice, one voice, for here local government. They have to give pressure, no? That's what I'm telling to them. Do they get trouble from the local government at all? Yeah, I even the police have to stop there, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, up there's a lot of time. It's up there. Okay, what the police says, it's a village. And inside the village, how you are going this? This is illegal. Don't grow. They are giving them threat. The police, what they do, they trade them.

And by, after trading also, the plant grows. The time comes for harvest or the robbing time, no. And when they see the live they're doing, they caught them. And they ask them for the 10 to 20,000, give me. Otherwise, you will go to the prison. Right. So that's like 20 bucks, US. Yeah. Yeah. How much can you make from harvesting all of this cannabis?

If you'll go to the high range of mountain, you'll see all cannabis plant. And all over this thawang you will collect in one place. It's around like more than a crore. That's a crore is like a hundred thousand? Yeah. It's very cheap price. They don't have any knowledge about the price also. Yeah, because that's what, $100?

Yeah. Yeah. You hear so much about the effects of the war on drugs on Americans, how people are locked up or killed, or sent to wars in Afghanistan or Iraq, or other places that can trace their own problems back to Nixon's 1971 speech and, of course, other things beside. But these people, in the poorest corners of Nepal, they don't even have a voice, not even in their own country. Nepali weed industry might be a ways off, but it's the biggest, hope these guys will have to claw back the bayou in which they once lived, to bring it back to life.

He's saying that we don't have the lab, no? The lab? Lab. To test it, either it is good or bad. But by hearing from the other tourists and other people that Nepali Gaza is number one Gaza, they hear. They are asking if it will be legal, then it will be more blessing to us. Plant is more important than money. Why? They don't need money.

But they made it clothed by the rope of this plant. Cannabis plant. They make rope, no. Hemp rope. Yeah? Hemp. they make clothes like this, no, this is another one, but that time they used to make like this

to cover our body for, see this climate, so cold. Yeah, yeah. And they need clothes, not money, that time. Important is that. One bowl of weed, three bowl rice you get. Angery, I feel anger by hearing his story, no.

What happened in the war time means like he was homeless now. The houses was burned by police because he was in moist or in some party. He is in party. So they burned his house and minimum 15 to 500 to 600 house was burned at that time. And now he is staying in that small. That is also his wife's father and mother gave to him. And he's surviving like that. And nobody has got compensation from the government.

And very, he says that, I don't know, I am alive or not. I feel like that. But there was just one more. thing I wanted to see before we headed back out on the mountain road again. The purple haze. Was it here? Well, yes and no. So plot twist. The purple haze is all over the place. I don't think we're going to have to try very hard to find the big purple buds. But the main stuff that grows here is now pink. And that's not because of legalisation, that's not because of farming techniques, or the Maoist, or the war, or anything else. It's because of climate change. It's getting hotter here.

and it's producing a different kind of cannabis. Sativa still, it's like a warm buzz, unreliably told. But it's different. So climate change is the plot twist in this entire thing. Who knew? Before I left Nepal, I wanted to come to one more place. Freak Street. I'd heard so much about the place,

how it rose in the 60s and how it fell after the hippies were thrown out. But I hadn't actually been there. there myself. And if Freak Street was once the home of hippie culture worldwide, it definitely isn't now. The history is still amazing. It's just off the main der bar, the square with all the temples. There's birds and yogis and people offering up incense and other things to the gods. And those wood-fronted buildings from back in the day, they're all still standing. But a lot of them now have plastic signs advertising bubble tea bars and burger joints and third wave cafes and hostels for backpackers and little knick-knack stores but not a lot else i managed to speak to a few

people one of whom ran a little t-shirt store inside of one of the corners because foreigners should be here we we hope so we also want to deal with you every time but we don't get it what about the partying and the nightlife is that still here this place uh after nine this place is all closed and nine, we cannot even open the shop, no nothing. About the legalization of drugs here, it's a big question now. It looks like people are going to change the law? Yes. Is that what do you think?

It should be changed because as far as I know, it's all been misused these days. But most of the younger people, they try it and misuse it. But it should be in a proper way. It should be legalized. and people like you should get to try it because this place is famous for it, as far as I know, this place is famous for it,

but it is not available here now. It's completely changed. The people are changing. There are no old people here, nobody old, everything is changed. Even we want you to visit our place and feel free,

we don't get to see it. There are many, extremely few, these days for young us but seeing to that previous era we do want that but you think it could come back i think it should come back it will i guess it will there are a lot of campaigns going on here and i think it's true with a bit of political action and some more lobbying by joseph depish and rajiv and others of course perhaps the hippies or even the grandkids of the hippies can come back to free Street and breathed some weed-smelling life back into the place.

Here's Rajiv Kathley again. In 2023, March the 50 years of the war on drugs as well, in 1973 to 23. It was the peak time when the hippies were here as well. You know, 73 was like a major year. So we're saying like, okay, celebrate two, three years of the return of the hippies. Maybe their kids would come. They are themselves maybe around 70s, 80s, you know. Yeah.

They would be probably interested to be. probably interested to come back and see how it is. Here's Cannot. I think it would be environmental, cultural, economic justice to bring back cannabis trade, cannabis usage to Kathmandu and to Nepal. As long as we ensure that the benefit is spread out and the poorest benefit. After so much hurt, it would have at least made Joseph's own journey worthwhile. After legalization, things will change overnight.

As soon as tourists arrive in Nepal, hotels will flourish, hospitals will run, foreign money will come into our country. My family, my wife and son, everybody thought I was losing my mind. I told them, yes, but I'm not going to quit. After a few years, they began seeing me on the news, on social media, and more people were talking about weed. They slowly started respecting me. Things have changed.

Thanks for listening to this special episode of the Underworld podcast, and a massive thanks to Dale, the Wizard, for putting this whole thing together. We'll be back next week. Don't Instagram your crimes. There's no here, there's noahed-day-no-day-one-there-s society-le-bred-beck I Sopana thul-do-i-here-mah-ha-haw-do-the-home-h-h-h-h-ery-mother-h-right-h-haw- Paisa, but I'm gonna go ahead I'm gonna'n't'i.

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