The Unmade Podcast - 152: Achy Breaky Heart

Episode Date: November 6, 2024

Tim and Brady discuss a new song, squirrel barking, more device damage stories, Wikus and his coma, loads of ideas from stakeholders, and a visit to the grave of CS Lewis.Catch the bonus Request Room episode for another 23 minutes of chat - https://www.patreon.com/posts/115472289Support us on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFMJoin the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/Unmade_Podcast/Catch the podcast on YouTube where you will see all the accompanying CS Lewis pictures - https://youtu.be/GW2-oJB84JsUSEFUL LINKSPhotos from this episode (margarine laptop and grave visit) - https://www.unmade.fm/episode-152-picturesAlex’s apostle song clipped up as a short video - https://youtu.be/o_iJIDAmPZcAchy Breaky Heart music video (Billy Ray Cyrus version, not Tim) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byQIPdHMpjcThe podcast spreadsheet - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yBjcOPMrSETwZxiQTpupODC4EAYVZFSauuqJFKZIGcw/The Glasgow Coma Scale - https://www.glasgowcomascale.orgWorld Cup trophy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup_TrophyA video Brady made about the World Cup trophy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuCgElVlZhkBrady at Charles Messier’s Grave - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3-hwKQqy0ICatch the bonus Request Room episode - https://www.patreon.com/posts/115472289

I need to practice, hang on. Yeah, I need to practice. Yeah, I need to practice. There we go. My intention today, Tim, is to do more of our civilian submitted podcast ideas, but there's so much other stuff to get through first. So many parish notices and follow up and stuff. So I'm going to try to machine gun through it.

Right. But yeah there's just lots here. Can I just ask a question from the outset? It's a bit dangerous if people are really enjoying their own ideas more than our ideas because pretty soon they'll twig that they don't need us really. I don't think they're enjoying their ideas more than ours. I think this is just a reminder of how good our ideas are. Right, OK. This is like a little sabbatical that a fast. You don't know how good you had it back when it was Tim and Brady's ideas. Right.

This is when you know you're going out for a great dinner, so you skip lunch, so you're really hungry. This is kind of like the skipped lunch. But first, we've got lots of other stuff to talk about. I wanted to start with a message I got from Alex in Gateshead. Right. Alex is a Patreon supporter and we sent him some Spoon of the Week collector cards. He was lucky to be chosen by the algorithm. He said he received them and his girlfriend found them really weird.

But as added value, he said, I attach my attempt at a 12 apostles mnemonic which is both very late and humbly produced. It turns out some of the apostles names are harder to rhyme than others. For those of you who have forgotten and how could you, Tim and I have got a bit of an affection for songs that are used to help remember the names of the 12 apostles. Alex has made one and it goes a little bit like this. Listen well, you'll learn our names Let's start off with my friend James Number two, he is the same Son of Alphaeus, also James I am sweet, but this guy's sweeter Have you met my good friend Peter?

He traveled far farther than you Peter's brother, he is Andrew It's his job, you know he'll tax you Don't order to get poor Matthew Since he's once here, I'm glad he is Because here comes my friend Thaddeus He's seven-tier, he's good for rhyming Here's the Cader Knight called Simon He follows me because I will it Might have owned a friend called Philips

Who's the doubting one among us? Look no further of Antogamous This is once said, I'll follow you My name's not Barily produced at all. That sounds pretty amazing to me, to be honest. Awesome. I know. I'm not joking. I reckon I've listened to that 30 times.

Wow. Yeah, I love it. He's got a Spotify check coming to him. That's great. Yeah. I think that's fantastic. It is. Yeah, very clever.

I loved it. I love the ending. That's great as well. Yeah, very clever. I loved it. I love the ending. That's great as well. That's really nice. I don't know. I think the ending, I think it's so good. The ending kind of is a bit of a dance, like he's not taking himself seriously enough by putting that little Judas there. Like, I feel like, oh, no, don't ruin it. You made something great there.

Well, when it's played on radio anyway, the announcers will be speaking over the ending or fading into the next song. So that's what they tend to do with the really big hits. Yeah no I loved it I loved the cheesy rhymes. Well done really well done fantastic effort. Well done. I got back in touch with Alex and I said like are you a musician do you do music for your job? Like he said no not at all I'm very much a hobbyist a professional musician might have noticed before recording that they were subconsciously ripping off 99 Luftballoons sorry Nina okay yeah okay I didn't I didn't get that but yeah anyway brilliant Alex I love it I love it if you want to write a piece of music a song to help Tim remember the 12 apostles, because

he really should remember them, a man in his job, but he just can't do it. I can't do it. No, no. And this song hasn't helped yet. I've been more enjoying the song than its purpose. I need to get in with the message of the song, not just be caught up in its beauty. You may remember we've talked about Tim's nail biting problems and then someone else got in touch and said every time they bite their nails their partner

or someone says Tim really loudly to scare them and that reminds them that they're biting their nails. Andrew from Virginia got in touch and said in response to the nail biting conversation in episode 151 I thought I'd mention I was able to quit nail biting only after my brother, at my request, started making squirrel barking noises when he saw me biting my nails. An example of the squirrel barks he makes are attached. Feel free to play the audio on the podcast if you choose. Okay people, brace yourself, this is not pleasant.

This is the noise Andrew's brother makes every time he bites his nails. That that's a bad noise fair fair play that's it. That would work if you could if there was some sort of software that was hooked up to my fingers somehow that somehow an app you know every time my nails got near my mouth that played that would help that would definitely help that's good yeah sort of pavlovian response type thing going on i don't know but all right i like it i like it played again man all right here you go just in case you're biting your nails here it is We've heard from various people whose names don't match their interests, their tastes, their occupations and things like that. Memorably, we heard from Beers, Beersy, someone whose surname was Beers that doesn't drink alcohol. Today, we've heard from

John. John says, my wife and I are vegetarian, but have the surname lamb. People always give that a good giggle although I sometimes remind them that lamb is also an animal not just meat. Indeed. There you go. That's right. Yes. John lamb. John lamb and his wife, vegetarians. I also know a lamb. Lamby. I think I know. I think I've known a lamb or two in my time. Do you like the taste of lamb?

The meat. I literally had lamb for lunch today and it was a gyros, which is sort of nice. I don't know what they're called in different countries, souvlaki or gyros, like pita bread rolled up with meat and a few. Yeah. And lettuce, tomato and some tabbouleh. It's from a little place around the corner here on Unley Road called Savas Yeros. I'll give them an ad because they're just lovely people. Kind of people when you phone up they say, hello Tim, because they remember my number, which is very

nice of them or a bit of an indictment on how often I go there. I think it's more an indictment on how often you have it. But yeah, that is nice. I have become a big fan more now of having the the meat. Often it's called Donna meat over here in the UK of having the meat with chips not in the pita bread I like it with chips in a bit sauce yeah yeah. This is lovely these this couple today was saying you always order lamb why don't you get chicken and I said well I don't know I feel like I have a lot of chicken and lambs a bit rarer You know and so I'll have that and she goes no you need to have the combination and then she had like well She was waiting for my lamb to be prepared by her husband She hands me over just a whole bunch of chicken like on a napkin You said here taste the chicken taste the chicken. I was like, okay, and I was like that fair calm That's pretty good chicken

Fair con, that's pretty good chicken. I'm gonna have a combination next time. Alright, go with the combo. Lamb and chicken together. If your surname's chicken, get in touch and tell us if you like eating chicken. But man, I need to remind you, chickens are also an animal. They're not just meat.

I heard from Caitlin. Caitlin says, I remember a couple of episodes ago you sharing information about a baby that was born and given Brady as part of his name. It got me thinking about the role that Unmade played in my birth story. I've edited this down a bit. It's Caitlin says, at the hospital, we were in a room waiting for the induction and my husband kept having to move the car, leaving me on my own or just with the midwife for some time. During this time, the Unmade podcast was chosen as the thing to keep me

going through the contractions. For about an hour, I was listening to the podcast through everything. I have to say, when Labour became more established, we switched to Taylor Swift. And once our son was born, we the song miracle by first october. Even now with my little boy Cyrus bonus points for Bible trivia we listen to the podcast together around the house. We've actually got to a place where when I say shall we listen to Tim and Brady he gives a little smile. The podcast in general has kept me company during some difficult times, but now some happy ones as well.

Oh, that's fantastic. Thanks, Caleb. Wonderful. Thank you. Oh, lovely. Nice. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, just give me a moment. You meant that's wonderful. I'm not crying. You're crying. Give me a moment, man. That's wonderful. I'm not crying, you're crying. If you've given birth to the Unmade Podcast before, write in and let us know.

Yeah, well, I like to feel that you and I did give birth to the Unmade Podcast, but yeah, if you've been listening to the Unmade Podcast while giving birth. Oh, indeed, yes. What's Cyrus in the Bible? I have no idea, I'm trying to think I don't remember a Cyrus I don't know. No, maybe he's one of the Apostles and I keep forgetting him. I don't think so

No, it wasn't in the song. It would have been in the song Billy Ray Cyrus that little known Apostle For those that are less Ancient than we are that's Miley Cyrus's dad who was, yeah, it was a one hit wonder back in the day. Yeah. No, Miley Cyrus is Billy Ray Cyrus' daughter to us. Fair cop, fair cop, yes.

He had one heck of a mullet, I mean, a real mullet. And I don't know if we've ever discussed the fact that Tim once dressed up as Billy Ray Cyrus and mimed Ake Breke Hart in front of our whole school as part of a performance we did. Can I tell the whole story? Go on, yeah, that's great. There was a, Tim was like, to dress as Billy Ray Cyrus, Tim wore, I don't know if you're wearing like a white T-shirt or a white sleeveless vest looking very sexy, but you're wearing like a red shirt over the top, because Billy Ray Cyrus wore, I think he wore like a red shirt over a white t-shirt when he sung Achey Breaky Heart in the music video. And there was a girl in the audience at the school that I think Tim took a bit of a shine to.

And he had written, he'd written on the t-shirt, I think on the back of the t-shirt, will you go out with me? And halfway through the song, he was doing this sexy dance and like this sexy wobble of his back. And he just pulled off the shirt to reveal this, will you go out with me thing. But didn't have her name on it or anything. I think afterwards you went up to her and said,

did you get my message? Did you get my message? And she goes, I thought that was for me, yeah. I can't believe I did that now. That is hilarious. That is, that's audacious. Was she another one of those, like, you know, girlfriend in quote marks for two hours? We went out, we went out for a week.

It was one week. Oh, yeah. Wow. That's right. She was a keeper. That's right. What are the longer relationships in high school? But back in those days, going out didn't mean anything other than you could just say, that's my we're going out. You never actually like went out, did you?

We didn't cosign mortgage documents or anything like that. No, we just sort of hung out and I caught the train with her to the city after school. Do you remember she had such a wonderful smell? She had that lovely vanilla vanilla perfume. Yeah, she wore really nice perfume. Yeah yeah so that was she did that counts for something she was a she was lovely she was that she was the nicest smelling girl in school or she wore too much perfume but two guys of our age that didn't matter that just meant you smelled her even she walked past because we're just used to

smelling other guys which is horrendous. Gift into year 11 or year 12 or whatever it was. Yeah. There we go. Billy Ray Cyrus, very tight jeans. Sexy move. Sexy back dance, Tim. Yeah. Sexy back dance.

Yeah, that was nice. Did the job. Did the job. All right. I had forgotten that. Shout out to her her she's listening. We talked about damage to electronic devices after Tim had his iPhone run over in the road in the same week that my Son's nanny put his iPad in the oven and baked it

And I encouraged other people to get in touch with their tales of woe and there've been a lot of them So I can't read them all but I thought I'd go through a few Luke from New Zealand a few months ago I decided to jog home from work with my laptop in my bag A few months ago, I decided to jog home from work with my laptop in my bag. Unfortunately, I forgot that I also had margarine in my bag and it leaked everywhere, destroying my $3000. That's New Zealand dollars. So about 20 US dollars. Apple laptop. How does margarine?

This is butter for people that don't know what margarine is. How does that destroy a laptop? I think everyone knows what margarine? This is butter for people that don't know what margarine is. How does that destroy a laptop? I think everyone knows what margarine is. It's not like a weird Australian New Zealand product. I don't know. I don't think so. You put it on bread and bread for those that don't know what margarine is. The Unmade podcast where Tim describes what margarine is.

If we have a global audience, man. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. For those people on other planets who are listening, a bag is a device that in which you carry objects. I do have questions about why there was margarine in the bag. Maybe it had been bought, you know, because it was needed at home. But I will share a picture in the notes and on screen on YouTube and stuff of the margarine affected laptop because it's been taken apart and it's gone all through

the circuitry and everything. You have to see this picture. This is a laptop that has been destroyed by margarine. I would like to see can you show me now like is it melted? Is that how it works? It's like it's in liquid. All right. You know, I'll send it. I'll send it to you. Because when I think of margarine I think it's been evenly spread across the top of the laptop in quite a neat fashion like you do on bread and you could just scrape it off let me find it let me find it oh

well yeah yeah that's gone that's awesome oh that's great yeah cool all right that's a lot of margarine everywhere. Okay Andrew when I was a young teenager I was skateboarding towards a friend's house with my phone in an open pocket this had never been an issue before as I popped off the path to cross the road the phone jumped out of my pocket slid across the road it kept sliding until it met a drain and this was when my world entered slow motion as The phone slid across the drain it stopped the feeling of relief was incredible Wow, that was close two seconds later it dropped

No in the end a friend let me dangle from the ankles to try to retrieve it, but it was completely ruined I did manage to recover the SIM card, but that was it. Well, hang on a second. He couldn't breach the phone, but he could reach to put the pin in to snap out the SIM card. That just seems like... No, he didn't say he couldn't get the phone. He said the phone was ruined.

Oh, right. He got the phone. I was going to say you can't reach the phone, but I was able to reach up with a pin and press the little button to get the SIM card. I was able to reach up with a pin and press the little button to get the seat. I was able to get the case off and then get the pin in the hole. The thing that gives me anxiety about that story and it's something that's been giving me a lot of anxiety lately for some reason because of stories have happened is the thought of him being dangled down the drain by his ankles. down the drain by his ankles. I have a real irrational fear of being one of those people who gets, you know, these people that go caving and then get stuck in a cave and can't go forward or back. And like they're like lying on their back in a really, really narrow, narrow space. And you get stuck. I've got this, I've suddenly got this real fear of being stuck in a cave or stuck in a, in a narrow gap and not being able to get out. And I've just got, I've suddenly got this real fear of being stuck in a cave or stuck in a in a narrow gap and not being able to get out. And I've just got I'm just imagining being stuck in a drain like that you know because

you might lose your phone or because you might lose your life. Might lose my life or just get oh yeah I don't know it just gives me the heebie-jeebies there's a famous story of a guy who who got trapped on his own in a cave in a really awkward position and then just was stuck there until he died and they found him later Like you know and that story really freaks me out There's that guy that got his arms stuck between the boulders and hacked it off remember that gosh Oh, they made a film out of that even didn't they yeah indeed they did Yeah, thanks Brady now. We're all feeling a little tense hmm DJ Weaver 29 works for a school district that issues iPads in the US so I've seen my share of broken iPads a lot of the damage is intentional shooting with BB guns playing football hitting another student with it.

But the worst damage I ever saw was actually unintentional a student put their iPad in the washing machine and it took a proper beating. I was initially quite sceptical that the student had accidentally thrown their iPad in the washing machine until their parent explained that it had been picked up with a weighted blanket so they didn't notice the iPad was there. We wound up replacing the student's iPad as it was their first offence and saved the broken one as an example of what not to do in our unofficial Museum of broken iPads The Museum of broken iPads. I want to see that Little placards and little stands everywhere all very formal new students It's like the ball of art of broken dreams

The Museum of broken iPads You just the corridor that leads up to the IT department, both sides. Yeah, it's nice. It eats with a little spotlight on it. It's really cool. Someone called The Tim said, we were eating dinner when my wife said, hey, where's my phone? We couldn't find it anywhere until someone went for seconds of soup and lifted a ladle

full of thick red soup and smartphone out of the pot. She apparently set on a ledge just above the pot of hot soup and when she walked away it slid right into the pot. It was probably in there for at least 20 minutes and this was before most phones were waterproof. So it was quite dead. We spend an enormous amount of our time looking for my wife's phone and part of the one of I think the worst decision or one of the worst decisions made in our household was her getting

a black cover protector. And it just it just blends into even though it's black so blends into the floor of the car which is where it is 90% of the time. She doesn't strike me as a black phone case kind of gal. I think it was a case of the other one, you know, broke or something or was wrong. And then she just bought the cheapest ones you could find one day. That's hard plastic that wouldn't break.

And but also she seems to go out of her way to put it down on black surfaces as well. Like so we're forever just walking around going it's just blended into the background somehow like an optical illusion and I end up having to phone it and wait for it and then it's not there which means it's in the car and then we go down to the car and get it and so we're finally convinced her to put a massive sticker on the back of it so at least we can you can see it across the room. Unmade podcast sticker? No no it's the sticker of the Tasmanian Devils a new Australian rules football team from her home state coming in soon so. Okay but that's kind of a dark green stickers it's not even that helpful but at least you can tell that something's there that's physical. Otherwise it's like the second challenge in Indiana Jones in the last crusade you know when he walks out and he's got a step into nothing But on it's only nothing on one angle that actually there's something there

And that's what that's what my life's phone is like it's like it's only when you feel it you realize it's there I often think about that challenge How could you not see that bridge if there's like a gap below like I still I don't know It must only work from the exact height that he is. You know what I mean? Like a person's eye line. As soon as you come down you must see it in a different angle. I know they do the camera move and stuff. Anyway, I have some friends who are like an elderly couple and I think her, the wife's

just getting a little bit more absent minded as you do and she now wears her phone in like a sort of a sleeve a plastic sleeve around her neck with like a you know like a ribbon type necklace thing so it hangs around her neck. At about chest height so she because she was lost it so often so now she can't lose it. Like like Flavour Flav from Public Enemy does. Just kind of like I think that's admitting defeat when you start actually wearing your phone around your neck so you don't lose it that's like yeah. Yes is a problem it's like writing your your mum's mobile on the back of your wrist it's like yeah you probably shouldn't be out alone. This is this comes from Aaron hi doctor heron regarding the story about your son's iPad winding up in the oven. I just wanted to make sure, you know, to thoroughly decontaminate your oven afterwards when you've burnt plastic in it. I'm not sure what other heavy metals or various chemicals are present in an iPad,

but they may also have left harmful residue. So be wary of that as well. So like that's a like you know nice considerate message but the reason I'm reading it is to close a circle because the message comes from Aaron, Aaron preacher. So we've got a PS also please add me and my immediate family to the list of people whose last names do not reflect their interests. I'm agnostic, my wife and daughter are Jewish and my parents are atheists Aaron preacher, but they might preach atheism and agnosticism

So, you know, there you go We certainly quite preachy with telling me how to decontaminate my oven and not endanger the health of my family No, I think he's very wise I mean, I'm paranoid about that kind of stuff, but I was holding back telling you man You better get that checked out because I'm very much but I was holding back telling you man you better get that checked out because I'm very much I'm hyper vigilant about all that kind of stuff. So anyway, but you're a very responsible person leave it with you Who am I to preach? Yes. Well, you are My contract says I have to so I actually it's what I do

Before we get to podcast ideas from our listeners, civilians, you may remember in the last episode we heard from someone who I called Wicus. I've now learned it should have been pronounced Vicus, South African Afrikaans name. And Vicus suggested a podcast about people who'd been in a coma, the dreams they had, experiences, things like that. Vickers said he himself had been in a coma and had had an interesting experience. He didn't elaborate very much on it and I wanted to know more. So being the investigative journalist that I am, I emailed Vickers and said, do you want to do a Zoom call with me? He said yes. And I spoke to him about his coma experience and I thought I'd share that with you now.

Cool. If I may. So he's out of the coma now, yeah. Just clear. He is out of the coma. He's out. Otherwise, it's going to be pretty quiet listening. Here we go.

How often do people say Wicus? Not that often. It's an Afrikaans name and seeing as a lot of people in South Africa at least understands Afrikaans they know that the W is pronounced as a V. So not too often. Okay. It's just on the Unmade podcast you get called Wicus. Yeah. Not anymore. Now get called Wicus. Yeah. Not anymore. Now you're Vickers.

Luckily. All right. Now you sent in an idea for a podcast, which was talking to people who had been in comas because you were in a coma. Yeah, that was what I was told. Uh, I wasn't aware at the time, but apparently for two and a half weeks. Um, I believe it's a medical induced coma. Please don't quote me on that.

I'm not a medical professional, but that's what I understand I was in. How did that come to be, Vikkas? What happened? Something went wrong. Yeah. So I was diagnosed with COVID and seven days into my 10-day quarantine, I got pneumonia as well. So I tested my oxygen levels. It was supposed to be at 92. It was at the time about 85. Went to the emergency room. They immediately admitted me to hospital and two days later I went to ICU with serious COVID pneumonia

placed on a ventilator sedated or what I call induced coma. Yeah, and later what they call added tracheostomy, which is where they insert the pipe into your throat from the ventilator. And it's during that coma time that I had interesting dreams. The interesting part to me is not per se the dream part, but the waking up part, because I thought that what happened in my coma on my dreams was actually reality. Before I come to the dreams, I want to talk to you about that. Let me go back a few steps first though. The medical staff chose to put you under sedation or into this coma for your own good.

Yes. Were you consulted about this? Do you remember any of this? Did they say to you, Vikas, we think this is what we need to do? Or were you out of it? Or? I believe that I was consulted, although I cannot remember. So I was admitted to hospital on a Monday morning,

about six o'clock in the morning. And the first day I was in the general ward and I remember everything. I remember the doctor came to me and told me, look, you're lying in bed and you're doing nothing else than that. You don't want to overexert yourself. So you're not even standing up to go to the toilet. So that I remember, I remember the next morning, the doctor told me that they are considering taking

me to ICU because my condition is worsening. And the second half of the second day I can't remember and the first thing I remember after I was woken up from being sedated is when my wife came to visit me the first time the second day after I was woken up. I was going to ask if you had sort of loved ones at your bedside during this time, you mentioned you had a wife, yeah? Yeah. So at the time, so my wife came to visit me. It was COVID time, so it was actually, she didn't know whether she'll be able to visit

me with all the regulations and stuff going on. But the hospital allowed her to come visit me every two days for about an hour while I was sedated. And luckily every day for an hour after I was woken up because I was in an isolated room in an isolated ward because she also had COVID and we were past the 10 day quarantine date. They were not too concerned of me giving it to her. So that's good. And then my daughter at the time was two years old. So I couldn't see her, unfortunately. But luckily, the fact that she's two years old was sort of positive because she didn't really understand what was going on.

What does your wife say about it? Did she tell, has she told you like, was she coming and talking in your ear or what was that like for her? What does she say her side of the experience was like? I believe she had it worse than me because she, I was out of it. I didn't know what was happening, but she was the one that obviously was concerned to keep the house running, was stressing about me and so forth. But yeah, she came to visit every opportunity that the hospital would allow her to come visit and she told me that she would speak to me. The doctors told her to just say positive things.

She would play music to me from my favorite band. So that's the type of thing she did. You know, Tim's going to want me to ask what band is that? I doubt that you'll know the band. It's an Afrikaans band called Spook Wolf. So translated that would be spitting wolf. What kind of music is that? It's, I wouldn't say poppy, but almost like an Afrikaans, let's say Coldplay or YouTube.

So the cliche people have of comas is, oh my goodness, will they ever wake up? Will they be in this coma forever? Was that your situation or did they always know they could wake you up when they wanted to because it was induced? Yeah, no, my situation was they knew that they could wake me up. It's basically just turning down the medication and then I will gradually wake up. The reason why they sedated me is to limit my exertion and movement. So they were looking to get my oxygen levels and my lung capacity and whatever to a certain level.

And from there they could wake me up. So you have no memory or awareness of your wife's visits or doctors talking to you or music or anything like that? Nothing. Only after I woke up. I have dreams most nights. Sometimes I remember them, sometimes I don't. But even the ones I remember, I feel like they escape me very quickly.

Like I kind of lose track of what they were and then they're gone. But you seem to still remember the dreams you had in your coma. Yeah, it was quite vivid. And I honestly believe that what was happening in my mind as a dream was the reality. But aren't all dreams like that, Vikas? was the reality. But aren't all dreams like that, Vikkas? No, because when I dream, when I sleep at night, I can clearly distinguish that this is a dream that I'm having

while I'm sleeping and once I wake, then I know that was a dream. Yeah. But these dreams, as soon as I opened my eyes, I thought that these things that happened to me during my dreams actually occurred in the real world. So I didn't ever thought that this was dreams. I only later realized that what happened to me in these two and a half weeks, which I

dreamed, wasn't actually reality. So the reason you know that they aren't reality is just like what you've been told and logic. Yes. As far as your memory is concerned, these things actually still actually happened. Yeah. But logic dictates that it didn't happen. But it felt as if it was reality. It could have happened, but it didn't happen. So does that mean these things were quite believable? You weren't talking to like pink unicorns with three heads and flying through the clouds and stuff?

No, it could have happened. There's one which was kind of weird. But mostly it's, it could have been a reality. I don't know how much you want to tell us specifics. And I know some people find it really boring listening to other people's dreams anyway, but just so I've got a better understanding of what you're saying, are these, these were like everyday scenarios with your loved ones, were they, or friends and things like that,

but were extraordinary things happening or were they just mundane things? No, it was most, Well, one of them is... I won't call it mundane, but not out of the ordinary. I'm going to give you three examples. And maybe you'll better understand what I mean by the reality with the examples. In the first one, I tell with the permission of my wife, she knows about this. But for some odd reason, while I was in the coma,

I believed that we were divorced and that I had married another woman. So what was interesting, and luckily I couldn't speak due to the pipe down my throat because she walked into the room, was the first memory after I was awoken that I can clearly remember. And all that was going through my head was, why are you here when I'm married to another lady? Right. So the thing I couldn't talk at the time. Oh, okay. So you still had the pipe. You couldn't say who are you? Yeah. Okay. And so if you couldn't talk to your real wife when she'd walked back in and you were

awake, so you couldn't say to her, hang on, you're my ex. How did you figure out and come to the realization that she was still your wife and what, and you had just dreamt this other scenario? How did you figure that out? Yeah, it was, it was a couple of minutes of confusion on my side, but when she started talking to me, started talking about the experience, what she has gone through, her mother that came to live with us for the six weeks or whatever, then I started to realize that something's not adding up here.

And that's when I realized that this other wife of mine is probably not real. Okay. So you just figured it out based on your wife just being herself. Yes. Then the other dream that I had is I was, for some odd reason, I had to identify a gangster. Cape Town has a lot of gangsterism. So I had to identify a gangster in a lineup, but for some reason the police had us outside and the people could actually see me. It was like a lineup of people. I can't remember any context why the police needed me

to identify this person, but I identified him to identify this person but I identified him and as soon as I identified him he took out a gun and shot me in the throat. So I woke up with a pipe in my throat and I was confused why I'm in the hospital because I'm thinking it's probably because I got shot but then my wife also again spoke about COVID and so on. And then I figured out, okay, I'm probably still in hospital due to COVID. Vikas, do you think that perhaps the pain and the intrusion of them doing that to your throat gave you the dream? Cause quite often when, when we're dreaming, if something happens in the room, it

can become incorporated into our dream. Is that what you think happened here? I do believe so. I did have some therapy sessions after my COVID experience and the therapist also thinks that that specific dream could have been at the time where they were cutting open my throat to put in the pipe. Okay, Vickers, what's the third one? All right, so the third one is the one that I thought was reality for a couple of days after I was awoken. So after I've been shot, I was taken to hospital in my dream and they informed me that I had

to get plastic surgery for whatever reason. So I dreamed that this doctor told me about and this is the bit of a weird one. So the doctor told me that I need to get plastic surgery, but they've got this new technique they're going to test out. You lie on a special bed, you get absorbed by the bed and then you just need to think of how you want to look and you'll morph into that thing. Yeah, yeah. Long story short, I thought I got that weird type of plastic surgery with, then I could

see all these blobs around me. I'm guessing also people getting plastic surgery. But the funny thing is after I was awoken, perhaps two or three days after that, I still believe that I had plastic surgery. And the person in my dream I saw as the doctor or the plastic surgeon had a similar face to one of the physiotherapists that was giving me physiotherapy. And again, a good thing I couldn't talk because I wanted to ask the physiotherapist how my plastic surgery went. So... Do you remember what you chose to look like when you went into the morphing bed?

I don't know why, but for some reason I chose Will Smith. Will Smith! They were actually in the dream showing me pictures of different celebrities and I chose Will Smith. Okay, for people who don't know, I'm looking at Vickers right in the face right now, and he's very much a white man. I am. Okay.

I have to ask, because I'm so intrigued. Does your wife give you a hard time now about your alternative wife? Is this a constant teasing point for you? Because this seems like it's a memory for you. Like you've got this alternative wife in your memory. Ah, luckily not. Okay. She's very comfortable with it.

Yeah. She's got a lot of other things that bothers her about me. Does she wish you looked more like Will Smith? I hope not. So you just live with these now as memories that you just have to keep telling yourself aren't memories. It's not like a dream. They're like proper vivid memories in your memory banks.

Are they more, are they more vivid than other memories? Definitely. Yeah. Like I can remember my dreams during my coma better than I can remember some of my memories from, let's say primary school or even high school. So amazing. That's amazing. How long were you in this coma for?

All right. So I was sedated or in the coma for two and a half weeks, but I was a total of six weeks in hospital. Okay. Two and a half under the hardcore. I have to say, Vickers, like I've said many times that hearing other people's dreams is quite a boring thing. And the other day, the other day I had these dreams that I told my wife about and just halfway through telling her, I'm like, I can't believe I've done this.

This is so boring. Even on board telling it, but listening to you tell those did feel different. And maybe it's because you tell them with a vividness that is more legitimate, but that didn't like, I didn't listening to you tell them, I didn't think, Oh God, here we go. He's about to turn into a fairy and something like it sounded like it was interesting to hear you tell them. Yeah.

Thanks. Yeah. Okay. There you go. You thought you think it could be a good podcast talking to people who've been in comas. I thought it was a good idea for a podcast. I still think it's a good idea for a podcast after talking to you about it.

So, uh, that's good. Maybe you need to make this podcast. Maybe you're the man to make it. Perhaps I just need to find the people. All right. Yeah. I'm sure that can be, I'm sure that can be done. Yeah.

Can I ask one more question? This is me just being a total nosy journalist now. You may. The alternative person you married, is that a real person that you know? No, it's an imaginary person. Oh good. It wasn't like, it wasn't like your wife's sister or something. No, not really not.

Cause that would be tricky. It's not someone you have to bump into at the shops and keep saying, I'm not married to that person. I am not married to that person. Yeah. That makes me feel more relaxed. It makes me much more relaxed knowing that it's an imaginary person. Okay. Look at that.

That's fascinating. Yeah. Vickers. Vickers. Yeah, that's fascinating yeah Vickers Vickers yeah that's fascinating not wickers it doesn't answer the question though that we had around people who are not in induced comas what their consciousness and level of consciousness is. But it was fascinating to hear some of the things that went through his mind so to speak in his experience yeah. In his experience. Yeah, he says he had no consciousness no Awareness of anything in the room people whether he was taking it in kind of

Unconsciously and it was feeding into his dreams. It's that does seem like it was the case Yeah, yeah the shooting story and then in the throat and the trick out of me and but yeah I wonder what prompted the divorce thing though. That's that was interesting man, are you picking at a thread there? No, no, no, no. Are you picking at all the problems? No, but I'm saying, you know what I mean, like nurse and a doctor having a conversation in the room about someone who got divorced and you know how dreams can go, you run with a word and hear something. I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't alluding to anything else.

And I'm sure that they've talked it over comprehensively. But that is fascinating, yeah. Thanks, Vickers. That was cool, yeah. I. Um, but that is fascinating. Yeah. Thanks, Vickers. That was cool. Yeah. I find, I find comas fascinating. I think there's something in it. I think there's a podcast there.

Help me there. Do you know, like technically what is a coma? Like you're not asleep and you're not, you are, it's not the same as being under anesthetic, is it like, is it a different non-consciousness? Should we look it up? Should we look up on Wikipedia? Vicka-speeder. Vicka-Vicka-pedia.

A coma is a deep state of prolonged unconsciousness in which a person cannot be awakened, fails to respond normally to painful stimuli, light or sound, lacks a normal wake-sleep cycle and does not initiate voluntary actions. Okay, yeah right so the sleep cycles not happening it's just permanent or longer than the sleep cycle. But it's not a particular state it's not like are there are three categories you're under anesthetic and you're I guess it's a natural anesthetic that's what's happening you're in the state as if you are. We unconscious comas can be the result of natural causes or can be medically induced clinically a coma can be defined as the consistent inability to follow a one step command. Okay it can also be defined as having a score of eight or less on the Glasgow coma scale for at least six hours. Wow where we're going to open your can of worms here we are the Glasgow coma scale for at least six hours. Wow. Where we're going, we're opening a can of worms here. Here we are.

The Glasgow coma scale. Shall we look? The Glasgow coma scale is a clinical scale used to reliably measure a person's level of consciousness after brain injury. Oh, okay. And we've got all sorts of numbers and things like, you know, does not open eyes, opens eyes pain opens eyes in response to voice all this sort of stuff and there's all these numbers and Well that's right because some people can be in a coma with their eyes open can't they but they're looking around the room and not responding but look my evidence for that is

sketching back to a documentary I watched in late primary school or very early high school so that's a long time ago. Pre-Aky-Baky-Hart. Pre-Aky-Baky-Hart. Everything centers around that date. Alright, we have got a team in England this week. I've put one together. I thought we might do that like at the end of the show, shall we? Should we? So we can actually get some podcast ideas rolling.

Are you talking to me or you're talking like on the show talking? Yeah. Well, both me talking to you is what the show is man. You do realize that day, you know, this, you know, these conversations we have every few weeks. I published these on the internet. What? There's a whole podcast thing. I just thought we caught up.

I've been making a fortune behind your back, man. I've got this friend called Brady who just mid conversation keeps talking about Patreon. It's a bit weird. Yeah, play it. Look, play that at the end. Which one is it? The CS Lewis one? Yeah. Yeah. CS Lewis. Yeah. CS Lewis. That's cool. We go to his grave. That's nice. Let's not. Let's do that at the end which one is it the CS Lewis one yeah, yeah. CS Lewis yes, yes, that's cool. We go to his garage. Let's not do that at the end. Yeah, I enjoyed that. We'll do that at the end. Something to look forward to.

Let's do a few ideas. We can't do too many ideas. So these are listener ideas today again, aren't they? All right. Yeah, these were submitted by mostly by ideas today again, aren't they? All right. Yeah, these were submitted by, mostly by Patreon supporters. Go to patreon.com slash unmadefm. That is where I will ask for ideas and take submissions. Don't just like send them on spec.

It's kind of a perk for patrons to be able to have their ideas read out on the show. It's one of the many perks of being a Patreon supporter. Tyler wrote me quite a long email. My name's Tyler, he's from Utah, grew up in Washington state, his wife is Maria. I haven't convinced her to listen to the podcast, but she appreciates when I tell her about funny stories and knows if I suddenly burst out laughing, this is probably what I'm listening to. Are you listening to the Aussies again?

She will ask. He's had a few ideas, one of them was impersonations. The idea of this podcast is that you would have hosts who every episode would impersonate a famous person or fictional character and play that role throughout the whole podcast. The fun of this would be that you could have really interesting combinations of people discussing topics. One host could impersonate Barack Obama while the other impersonates Yoda. Then you could have Obama and Yoda discussing foreign policy strategies. Or perhaps another episode features Tom Hanks and Severus Snape describing their favourite vacation locations. A surefire winner would be to ask Tim to impersonate Donald Duck every week.

Go on, give us to impersonate Donald Duck every week. Go on, give us a bit of Donald Duck. Have you ever done that from the pulpit? No, no. What context would that be helpful? I've seen you shoehorn some pretty obscure stuff into your sermons. If you can't get that in. Here are a few impressions folks before we get down to business. You shoehorned the moon landing into the service I came to which was pretty

gratuitous. Nice nice yes but that had a point. I would I would imagine trying to do a whole sermon in in Donald Duck's voice. The trouble with my Donald Duck impression is while it sounds impressive you can't actually hear understand what I'm saying like I can't use it for. So you are saying things okay say something just try really try to say something to me and I'll see if I can. No I can't do it. That was hello Brady.

You have to skew your voice, your mouth into such a position that it's very hard to enunciate just about anything at all. I don't know how Donald Duck does it. Another idea from Tyler, local news each podcast episode details an interesting story from around the world that no one else will ever hear about because it's considered local news. A service project done by the local high school, success stories from a rescue shelter, drama in the upcoming school board election, the club tennis champion suffers a catastrophic defeat to a newcomer, the host could interview people involved and treat it as if it was a national story Hmm. Hmm. I quite like this. This really appeals. Obviously this would appeal to me Yeah journalist we do do a bit. I mean the end paid the handmade podcast isn't a million miles from this sometimes Yeah, that's right. Yeah, you're jumping off. No, that's good. Nice idea

Maybe I should give them a score Donald Duck should give them a score and you can tell me what the score is out of ten. 10! Alright. What was that? I don't know. I need to I need to I need to practice hang on. You've got to practice that 10. I like that.

There we go. Let's move on there was more from Tyler but we can't let him hog the whole episode. There we go. Let's move on though. There was more from Tyler, but we can't let him hog the whole episode. Vickers has already done that. So Rick the Nick, this idea feels like low hanging fruit, but it's been bouncing around in my head for a while now and I'd love to share. I actually don't know what this idea is yet because I haven't turned the page.

Hang on. There's so many hobbies that look like that'd be a ton of fun and seem to have a passionate community of enthusiasts but it can feel really difficult and often overwhelming to figure out how to get into them even if you're brand new. My idea for a podcast is called How to Get Into. As I envisage it, it would have a host interviewing an enthusiast of a different hobby each episode and asking them how exactly a raw beginner can get into this hobby. Look, this is a good idea, but I think there is a little bit of this around already. Yeah. I like it when they give an overview of a particular musical artist or an author and

they say, look, start here, start with this book or song or album and go from here. So I think there is a little bit of this around. What's a hobby you'd like to get into? Well, I've gotten over the last couple of years into two hobbies that I really wanted to get into. Surfing was one and that was just getting past that sense of, well, this is not something I do or could do and realize, well, of course it is. You can learn to do anything. The other one's playing tennis, which I kind of got shoehorned into to play you and then I've really, really it But you suddenly realize I can learn this

You know, there's plenty of stuff on YouTube and I can go and get lessons and you know, you can get better and practice Yeah, they're sort of it. There is a funny way of realizing hang on I you you can kind of learn to do most things you just have to start somewhere so I don't want to get into this particularly but I was at the park the other day and There's like this big lake and these guys were having remote control boat races with like these like sailing boats. Oh yeah. But it was really like it was really like a proper sailing race with like markers and following all the rules and there must have been like 20 of the boats and they're all on the side of the water talking to each other and there's like an umpire and they're talking about who has right of way and so it was like proper rules of sailing but with these remote control boats and the boats were really elaborate

like and I was thinking those guys are really into that. Yeah yeah yeah I remember a similar thing with remote control planes I had a brother in law who was was very much into that and I went along one day when we were there on holidays and was watching his little, you know, crew guys and they were spending an enormous amount of time hovering over the plane only to walk out, put it up in the air, fly it, land it again. You know, that was about four minutes. Then another half an hour spent hovering over it with, you know, like screwdrivers and stuff.

And I'm like, this doesn't feel like it's worth it but of course they're loving that bit as well the fixing it up and getting it right bit. It's a real genre of YouTube videos and Instagram videos. Watching people who've spent years and years making really really elaborate remote control planes and crashing them on the first flight like on takeoff. Two years making this perfect replica of an A380 and it just like dive bombs straight away on takeoff and smashes into a thousand pieces. Leon says, my idea for a podcast is making it look easy. The point is to interview people who have a seemingly easy job and let them explain why it isn't as simple as it seems and what hidden complexities there are. I'd like to hear what it takes to master being a painter, a hairdresser or a Zamboni driver. I'm fascinated by people who can do things that you've got to like get right the first time, like painting lines on the road and stuff like that.

People who can do that well and accurately and stuff like because I'd be rubbish at that. Hmm. There are some things you can build up to and then there are some things you have to do it perfect, like you need to practice somewhere else. But when you get out there, like there's different types of music. They say this with jazz, like jazz music. You go out, you make a little noise, you make a little bit more noise, you make it and you kind of build up and over half an

hour then suddenly you're really into it but there are other things that where you've got to hit it from the first bar you know what I mean like you've got to go out and like dancing you can't build up to dancing you just have you're suddenly out there doing it or drawing something publicly like a circle on a wall or this idea is a bit out there but it kind of appeals to me so I'll give it a try but it's a bit weird. It comes from Leo from Toronto and by the way shout out to Leo from Toronto he keeps a spreadsheet of every idea and everything we've discussed on the podcast. If you've never

seen it I'll try to remember to link to it in the notes so you can go through every episode we've ever done who had what ideas what else we discussed it's actually a really handy resource for me sometimes. To make sure we're not duplicating yes I need that link I always lose where that link is yes so shout out to you Leo you're a great friend of the podcast here's the idea sent in. a great friend of the podcast. Here's the idea you sent in. One thing I do from time to time is geocaching. This is essentially a treasure hunt to find a cache using GPS coordinates. Sometimes there's a puzzle associated with the geocache where you have to go to the poster coordinates, answer a few questions, add them onto the coordinates to get the actual location. Based on this, my idea is called podcaching. Instead of a typical geocache, an initial podcast is released giving starting coordinates and the questions. When a person gets to the podcache, they get a special episode only for successful podcasters. This episode

could be about the area they're in or something completely different or maybe even another secret podcache. I don't know if this is a great idea but it's an idea. It is an idea yeah this would appeal to you as well you like this idea. Reading it back now I realize that Leo's idea is like quite physical like you go to the places and then you'll listen to a podcast about the place. I thought the idea was and the idea I quite like the idea of is the podcast just exist on the place. I thought the idea was, and an idea I quite like the idea of is the podcast just exists on the internet, but to listen to them you need a specific URL that has a code in it or a number in it and you can only get that URL if you solve the puzzle. So to listen to the next episode you know

you need to solve you know solve this and then the URL will work. And so I thought I was thinking of as a completely virtual experience, but Leo is making a physical experience, which I also think is a very good idea. Very good fun. That virtual idea. I wonder if that's been done before. That seems very clever. YouTubers do it sometimes like when YouTube was a bit newer, especially, and we all thought we all just wanted to do something different everyone was like coming up with a Like choose your own adventures of YouTube videos and you couldn't get to the next video without certain information. Okay Do they not do that anymore? Is it an old idea that seems brilliant?

Well, I don't know. Yeah, probably people who are new at it do it thinking it's a new idea Yeah, but you know when you're old and cynical and jaded like me, you don't do new ideas anymore. Back in my day when we were on YouTube, that's right. Oh, I quite like this one. This comes from... is it from il? I-L? Or have I not copied the name properly? I don't know. Anyway, whoever it is, they have an idea. A double misnomer is a compound noun or noun phrase with two components where neither of the components is a descriptor of what it denotes. For example, sweet bread is not sweet nor a bread. It's cooked thymus or pancreas. Sea monkey does not live in the sea nor is it a monkey. It's brine shrimp.

Panda ant is not a panda or an ant, it's a wasp. A guinea pig is not a native to Guinea, nor is it a pig. It's a South American rodent. Each podcast has a title of the double misnomer and the main host asks the guest to guess what it means and how it got the name. The history bit can be convoluted and quite fun. At the end of the podcast, new names that are not a misnomer are suggested and put to a vote by the listeners. One by

one we clean up the language and evolve it to make more sense. Nah, solid idea. Good idea. Solid, sensible, clever, educative idea. I'm going to look up here if there's a list of double misnomers because I forgot to do this. Double misnomer. Steam tin foil clothes iron steamroller blackboards that are frequently not black sticks of chalk not made of chalk the made of gypsum so these are things that the names are wrong lead pencil. Woods in golf that are off a really made of wood these days. That's a bit different. A horned, a horned toad is a lizard. French horns originated in Germany. Chinese checkers is not from China.

These are kind of not quite there, but tennis elbow doesn't necessarily come from playing tennis. They're kind of like pathway there. Hmm. I don't know if there'll be enough. I don't know if there'll be enough of these to keep it going, but I like the idea. And that's all that matters on the Unmade Podcast, the idea. That's right. The spirit of it being unmade.

The whole time we're talking now, I've still got that image here on the screen of the Margarine laptop. Is it a laptop or an iPad? I think it's a laptop. It's a laptop. And it's like a piece of modern art. I actually think you should keep laptop. It's a laptop. And it's like a piece of modern art. I actually think you should keep it. It's probably gone by now.

Mo from Panama from Panama, I'm just reading this because they're from Panama. Who knew we had a listener in Panama. I'm a fan from the early days. I'm here to share my idea for a podcast. It's called Why Would You Know That? I'm here to share my idea for a podcast. It's called why would you know that? Guests would come on to discuss the surreptitious and sometimes unbelievable way we have of learning certain things For example during the height of the sofa shop fever on unmade. I've never heard it called sofa shop fever I often and excitedly shared some of the covers and sofa shop fun with my daughter and we would have a good laugh My daughter is not a native English speaker has has never been to Australia, much less Adelaide, and yet is quite familiar with the advertising jingle of a now defunct furniture store that operated 15,000 kilometers away, 20 plus years before she was born. Why would she know that?

Yeah, that's great. That is a good idea. That is a good idea. People who have an expertise or a knowledge in something for some unusual reason. Yeah, it doesn't fit with their with their brand or their vocation. It's just a random bit of knowledge they pull out. Yeah. I mean, quite often it would be, you know, because I had a friend who knew a lot about it or was into it. But, but hopefully you could take it a little bit further than that and tell the story and how you've used that expertise since. Yeah, no, I like this idea. A friend of ours actually went out with a girl whose brother was deaf for a very long time. And as a result of it, he just picked up a lot of sign language and it was really fun. Sometimes we would be somewhere

and there'll be people using sign language and he'd just go up and, you know, throw in a few, a few signs there, have a little conversation with them. And I was a bit, and I was like, I was like, how on earth do you know sign language, man? And he was like, Oh, you know, so and so his brother was deaf and I learned it then. So like, you know, how do you know that? Because of this. Yeah.

Yeah. Here's, here's an idea from Neil in Texas. I like this one. A podcast on the history of cups and trophies, especially in sport. What is the history of the Vince Lombardi trophy in American football? What about the Ashes earn the old mug in sailing? Each one could be an episode. Interesting topics might be who designed it? Why was it designed in this way? any controversy surrounding the trophy, any famous winning streaks or notable upsets in the history of the competition for the trophy,

who is the keeper of the cup during the competition, interview some famous holders of the trophy, a working title might be going for the gold or chronicles of the cup. Yeah or just histories of the trophies. I think this is a really interesting idea. This is this is something that I've I definitely Wikipediaed over the years to find out and is really interesting. The different trophies some of them you take home and some of them you just get your name on and it's kept at a particular place. Fascinating. Yeah. So the Stanley Cup, which goes to the winner of the NHL, the you and Tim and I always call it ice hockey which makes Americans upset they think we should just call a hockey but the the the National Hockey League in America and Canada have this trophy that called the Stanley Cup and it's famously very very big. Yeah I haven't seen it before. It's like you know it's huge. Bigger than one of their shirts. Yeah, yeah, it's massive. And so there's a tradition with that, I believe,

that if your team wins it, you get a day with the Cup. You can do what you want with it for a day. And a friend of mine was in Los Angeles, I believe. They were at a car park at that famous observatory that overlooks LA. Like it's a really scenic location. And they were there, I think, just taking some pictures or hanging out there.

And suddenly this van pulled up and this guy got out and he got out with the Stanley Cup and he was like one of the winning players and it was his day with the Cup and he wanted to take a picture at the scenic lookout looking over Los Angeles with it so he was just there taking some pictures and suddenly the Stanley Cup was there like and it was it was this guy's day and he was just taking it around, taking photos and doing his thing, taking some selfies and he was probably with other people, but yeah, there you go. Oh, that's nice.

I remember when in the Australian rules football, we have the premiership cup, although it's a different one every year. So you get to have it and take it back to your club. Yeah. But when Richmond won it, it was the first time in a long time, 30 years or so, 35 years or so, no, 40 years.

And they did all these wonderful things. It's not just like, oh yeah, we had a party and there it was and it went back to the club. But it then went on tour around the country. And so people that were supporters in different states could go along to a place and see the cup or touch the cup. And then they started doing all these cool other stuff, like taking it to particular supporters who were chronically ill in hospital and they just got to who was, you know what I mean? They started doing all these really interesting tours and I think that's fantastic because so often it would have just maybe gone to a sponsor or gone back to the club. But I love the idea. It was on the move and all

these people got to touch it and hold it and it would go to great lengths to visit individual little children. You know, was did you go and do it? Have you held the AFL Premiership Cup? No, no I haven't. No. I remember you did the Adelaide Crows one didn't you? Yeah I remember you bragging about that. So the Adelaide Crows won it one year and I was at the, as a journalist I was covering the big celebration parade in Adelaide which finished at the town hall and I was in the town hall on the balcony and someone had just put it down like you know they put the cup down and I was like oh I have a picture with it so I picked it up and had my picture taken just holding the cup you know I remember I had a few prints made of it like you know to take home by the photography department so I

could have copies of the photos that was when we actually printed out photos and kept copies back in those days. And I remember it well because I remember I had a couple of copies of it sitting at home and one day there was this knock on the door of my front door. I'd just seen my girlfriend off in the street. I'd gone to see her to her car. She'd driven off and I went back into the house. And while we were in the street when I was seeing her off, there were these two boys kicking a football, just having a game amongst themselves and I went back in the house there was a knock on the door I opened the door and one of the little boys

was there holding his football looking up at me wide-eyed and I said yes and he said are you Peter Vardy? It was a player for the Crows who he thought I was. He bore some resemblance to. He goes, are you Peter Vardy? And I was so taken aback. I just went, no. And then this other voice around the corner started laughing and ran away.

So obviously one of them had thought I was and the other one said I wasn't. And he was sent as the sacrificial lamb and got embarrassed. But to this day, I wish I'd said, why, yes I am, and leaned over and pulled out a photo of me holding the premiership cup and said, would you like a picture of me with the cup? But I didn't think of it. Have you held any, well, I've also held the European Cup.

Oh, is it just one of those, is there? Now the champions,, that's one where you get one you keep. So Nottingham Forest won that many years ago and I was in an event celebrating the anniversary of Nottingham Forest winning the Cup and all the old retired players were there and the Cup was being handed around so I held that and took my picture with that one as well. I think they're the only famous trophies I've held. I stood next to the Cricket World Cup at a Cricket World Cup match but you weren't allowed to touch it. Right yeah. I don't think I have either. What about an Olympic gold medal? Have you held an

Olympic gold medal? They're pretty common I guess. Yeah well I've held Eric Liddell's Olympic gold medal. I made a video about it. Yeah wow there you go. I've held lots of Nobel prizes. Yeah I've held lots of those sort of things because of objectivity. I get to hold and held lots of Nobel prizes. Yeah, I've held lots of those sort of things because of objectivity. I get to hold and touch lots of cool stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Vince Lombardi one. That's the American football one. Is it just one of those?

Oh, no, no, I've seen them. No, I think you keep them. You get one to keep. I think of that. That looks like a chunky affair. I think it's a really disappointingly simple trophy. it's become iconic because we see it so much. It's an iconic trophy but I always think it's a bit of a disappointing trophy. What about the one last one the soccer World Cup.

What's the deal with that you get one of those or there is your name go on. I don't know if you get a replica to keep I think you probably do but there isn't a there is a perpetual one that you give back every four years because famously the the trophy they used to have for the World Cup there we go we're starting this podcast now because I know a bit about this. It was called the jewels remain trophy and it was quite a simple looking trophy it kind of looked it kind of looked a bit like an angel with wings. simple looking trophy. It kind of looked a bit like an angel with wings and you would win that if you won the World Cup. And when England hosted the World Cup in 1966, before they won it, they ended up winning it that year, but when they were hosting it before the tournament, it was on display and it got stolen and no one knew where it was. And it was this huge national story. The World Cup's been stolen, the Jules Rimet Trophy's been stolen, and it was later found in a park hidden under some newspapers by a dog called Pickles. And

that dog called Pickles became a massive celebrity in the UK because it found the Jules Rimet Trophy. England won it that year, so they got it for four years. The next World Cup in 1970, Brazil won the World Cup, and that was the third time they'd won it and they were the first team to win it three times and as their reward for winning it because they wanted a new trophy Brazil were given the trophy to keep uh permanently and then they cast the new World Cup trophy which is the one you're probably more familiar with with the globe of the earth being held by the the women or the angels or whatever they are. So the jewels remain trophy the original World Cup was in Brazil permanently until it got stolen again and this time I think it was they believe it was melted down for the gold.

So the original World Cup trophy the jewels remain trophies gone. We have a trophy at work for our footy tipping competition and it's been going for more than a decade and. It's a little bit controversial actually like it's a proper trophy like with it's got like a like a little like a smarty man or you know M&M's like a little M&M man on top and big smiley face but it's got all names proper written there of the people that win the footy tipping competition. Are they engraved on metal or are they written with a marker? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, proper engraved and so forth. Unfortunately, we started the footy tipping in, I think it was 2013, and we had like a pretty crappy wooden trophy

for a couple of years until someone went out to a trophy shop and just bought a trophy, which is a rare, I remember as a kid seeing a trophy shop and just thinking that was unbelievable because I thought trophies come from heaven or somewhere, but to realize you could just go out and buy a trophy for 40 bucks is, you know what I mean? Like unbelievable. But anyway, someone bought this trophy and brought it brought it to work and they went to the trouble of going back and having all the winners engraved from the very top of the engraving thing all the way down. And they started in 2014,

missing my inaugural victory in 2013. So very famously, all the winners are down the list except for the very first one, which was me. My name's not on the trophy. And that gets brought up every year. At this, we have- That needs to be fixed. I don't know how to, we have to put something on the trophy and that gets brought up every year at this. We have a needs to be fixed. I don't know how to do.

We have to put something on the back or something. We don't know how it's going to be done, but it clearly has to be done. I'm campaigning for it. No one else is campaigning for it. No one else cares. So winners of the World Cup have their name engraved on the trophy and it's engraved on the bottom. This is the Football World Cup again.

I'm saying the World Cup. Yeah, they're engraved on the bottom, which I always find quite weird. Like it's, you know, you've got actually hold it and tip it upside down to see who's won it. Like you can't lift it up too often. It's not like it's very easily accessible. We go out for a special breakfast to celebrate every year at the end of the football season and the previous winner like it makes a speech and hands it to the new winner. And then invariably, I weave into the conversation that there's a name missing on the on the trophy. I think we've kind of run out of time.

I've still got I've still got a few more ideas here on my list, but from Patreon supporters, but I think we've run out of time because we're going to throw to Tim in England to end the show with a visit to C.S. CS Lewis's grave and we will then also be recording a request room for Patreon supporters. Patreon.com slash Unmade FM if you want to listen to these extra bits of episode we do. We've had lots of requests and questions sent in that we'll deal with. We might also reflect on the CS Lewis grave visit in the request room if Tim's got anything

else to say but it stands alone this visit it's pretty self-explanatory. It's a special time. Thank you everyone for sending in your ideas some very strong ideas there. I still don't know if there's been other very strong ideas that have not been brought up on this episode or the last episode but have made their way onto Brady's list for future episodes. Who knows? Possibly.

You will know. I would. Brady will know in his heart. Yes. And you will know as a stakeholder. So thank you very much for sending in your contributions. Do let me know if you hear your idea coming up later out of Brady's mouth. Okay. Let's do it. Tim in England. Tim in England. So by coincidence our travels have brought us sort of around the outskirts of Oxford on our way to London, right next to the Holy Trinity Church where C.S. Lewis is buried. Tim has been here before, I've actually been here before, but we've come here together

to the cemetery outside the church for a pilgrimage. What's this like Tim? Just bringing back some memories we're about to go through the gate into the cemetery here. Oh this is exciting I first came here many years ago maybe fifth or nearly 20 years ago not much has changed but it's a wonderful pleasure to come back I mean this is this is like going to the Colonel's grave really maybe even slightly more important. Paint the picture man, tell people what you're saying. Okay so if you can imagine sort of you know a very small old English church with the graveyard around about it that's exactly what this is there's a lovely green grass there's a

lovely church of a sort of small it's it's bigger than being quaint but it's not like a cathedral or anything like that but it's obviously a couple hundred years old at least and there are it's surrounded by graves of course because people used to be buried in the church yard of the church they attended do you remember where CSL's grave is? I do feel yeah you're right it's this way over this way somewhere yeah it is I remember it being this way. Not exactly sure where but... The funeral was a while ago but I think it was over this way.

It's under a tree. Somewhere quite non-descript. Yeah I can't remember if it was exactly where it was. We're walking amongst the gravestones now looking for it. There's not a gravestone that's vertical. It is it just on the ground lays down does it well see a prize for who can find it first I'm gonna walk over in this direction There are some reasonably new graves here as well. It's not just but there are some ones that go back very Far indeed. I'm gonna look here. Actually. I wonder if this is it. Yes. Here we are

I'm just found it Tim's found it. I felt I felt drawn to it here actually, I wonder if this is it. Yes, here we are. Found it. Tim's found it. Tim's found it. I felt drawn to it like a magnet. There's a little series of wildflowers that are on there, so someone else has come to pay homage. Yeah, just a tiny little, I wouldn't call it a bouquet, just a little. There we go.

Oh. And it says, in loving memory of my brother Clive Staples Lewis, Belfast 29 November 1898 died in this parish 22nd November 1963 famous date men must endure their going hence. The famous date of course is because it's the same day that JFK was shot and that Aldous Huxley died as well the three of them. Who was Warren Hamilton Lewis who's also buried here? That's his older brother okay Okay. Who outlived him as you can see. Yeah, Warney actually his nickname was Warren's name was Warney. Nice. Hello there. Hey guys. You know C.S Lewis? Yeah. You knew him? Yeah. Come over it's marvelous. Is this the first

time you've been here? Isn't it marvelous? What marvelous what a thrill yeah is the church open at the moment do you know did you go okay well let's go have a look at the church while you have some time here yeah one of the cool things about the church is we know where CS Lewis and his brother used to sit and in fact because they had a famous place to sit where they sat each time there's a window next to sit where they sat each time, there's a window next to their seat, which has been made. You know how they have stained glass windows in these churches?

It's been crafted in honor of him. Okay. So let's come and have a look. We're walking into the church now, like so many English churches. It's just open and unlocked. Anyone can walk in, which we just have. Oh no, there's work being done over there.

Yeah, there's some work being done here. So we can't see the stained glass. There's a whole bunch of like sort of wood paneling covering a whole left-hand side of the church, which is cover the window. It looks like they've put a picture of it on the wall though to compensate for people who don't get to see it. Is that it?

It's either this one or that one. It's right behind the pillar. There is a plaque. See, there's that picture on the wall. Oh yeah, yeah. Come and have a look down here. It's right behind the pillar. There is a plaque. See, there's that picture on the wall. Oh yeah, yeah. Come and have a look down here. It's on his seat. Where is it?

Looking around. So that stained glass window that Tim spoke about, although we can't see it, they've printed out a picture of it and put it on the wood paneling so that people who are missing out can see what they could have seen. It's got Narnia, the Lennarnia scape on it. Where is that plaque saying CS Lewis used to sit here?

Maybe it's on the other side of that. Is it the next? Maybe it is the one I thought it was further back because he was famously always late for church he'd slip in up the back and then leave very quickly get down the pub. Oh here it is here it is. Ah there we little, I'll take a picture so people can see in the show notes, but there's a little plaque and it says, it says, here sat and worshiped Clive Staples Lewis, 1898 to 1963.

Do you want to sit there, Tim? Why don't you sit there for a picture? Sure, I'll go around there. So Tim's gonna go and sit in Sirius Lewis's seat. Maybe take it from there so that you get stone rather than wood. Not like Tim to be all directing the photos. Come on now. I'll try and get that ugly sound equipment out.

There we go. There's Tim in Sirius Lewis's old church seat. Fantastic. So it's not often we're in a church together, Brady. It's reasonably often. It's marvellous. I guess so. That's true. I come to your church all the time. Yeah, so the church is in a bit of a state of, looks like renovation. So it's not as pretty as it was last time I was here.

Hopefully it's going to be prettier after the renovation. It is very old. Nice one. Well the porch gates were given in memory of someone in 1992. So, ooh, that's going back quite a way. And this cross here, Tim, with all the post-it notes on it, is that the actual cross that Jesus was crucified on? Ah, it's... They made two and used one, and this is the other one. They didn't have the post-it notes on them. Except it was one post-it note at top. It said the king of the Jews.

The originals in a hard rock cafe. It's true. What a lovely little cemetery. It's pretty good. I mean, it is. Do you like the idea of being, I mean, being buried in a church yard like this? Oh yeah, church yard. Yeah.

I don't, I don't. I think I'm more a cremation kind of guy. I think most people are these days. You're not though are you? No no I like I like the idea of course there are some ecological questions about burial and all that kind of stuff. There's no cemetery at your church is there? No we do have a memorial garden out the back where people who have been cremated have their ashes placed in the urn placed in a you know behind a plaque, so that's pretty pretty nice I know you've had pictures here before do you want any more pictures while you're here, or yeah? Yeah? Yeah? I'll get one. I'll recreate one which I think all right

I think it was something like this when I was sort of squatting man in a manly fashion Okay, there's one let me do a more and let's do it. Can you do a selfie at CS Lewis's grave? It feels a little bit wrong. Yes, do, do it, do it. That's right. We have to look sufficiently somber. Can you get the name in, is the name in there? I think the name's there. Let's try it again. Three lines down from the cross.

You move that hand, you move, yeah, yeah, yeah. And maybe put your hands there. I'll put them in my pocket anyway. Yeah, that's better. It's hard to know what face to pull. We're not doing a thumbs up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to know what face to pull. We're not doing a thumbs up.

It's hard to know what face to pull at someone's grave. And this is like a, you know, but we're doing this from a place of respect. The first time I came here, I said a prayer. And it's a funny thing. I'm not praying. You're not praying, you know, to him or anything like that. I just said a prayer to God. And you know what I said? I was just so grateful. That's what I feel. I feel so grateful to see us Lewis for his thoughts, his books. They just they're just incredibly helpful for my life and my faith. So I just feel so grateful. So I said thank you God for this guy. Good guy. And his brother who took good care of him and was kind of his administrator, you know doing a lot of work around the place Difficult, you know, he was pretty he had some challenges

With the bottle and a few other just sorts of challenges and but they stuck together. Yeah, awesome. Cool. Thanks man for coming here That's all right. That was good. Some lovely place to visit. That's a nice shot of the church from this angle I wonder if I can get one of his grave in the church and put it all in a bit of context. There we go. That's a nice shot of the church from this angle. I wonder if I can get one of his grave in the church in it You could put it all in a bit of context. There we go. That's better Come to it closer to me man. So your shadows not sorry. Yeah, that's good And if you know walk that way along that path like towards the church, I'll get one with you walking in it. God up That's a lovely Lovely lovely. Do you like visiting graves? Do you like what like I do too? Like I find them something quite magical about it. What does it make you feel? It's a wonderful sense of perspective. If you're struggling with something,

you know, the minutiae of life in the day, a pressing concern, something's got to happen, whether it's traffic or this or that, going for a walk is one thing, really good. Going for a walk in a cemetery is brilliant. It just good. Going for a walk in a cemetery is brilliant. Just pulls you right back and gives you perspective on things and what's important. What about visiting the grave of someone famous like C.S. Lewis or JFK or these graves that you know, or Jim Morrison people that graves that people like to visit. What does that make? Why do you do that? What do you take from that?

I don't do that a lot. I don't go to venerate. This is probably the only one like I don't go to my father's grave very often I think I've been three times in 12 years and that's to take you know mom or and show my daughter So there's nothing about the place. I guess because CS Lewis died so many years ago You got to go somewhere so I went to his house and here Out of interest. I don't know Because C.S. Lewis died so many years ago, you gotta go somewhere. So I went to his house and here, out of interest, I don't know, it's a little bit like going to the recording studio where your favorite album's made. It's a little bit like that,

except it's more solemn. But so I don't have, I didn't bring flowers or venerate, but you've gotta take your grief somewhere. And so it's a way of giving symbolic, voice to that for people, which can be really important. I like it. I find it quite, you know, I went to the grave of Charles Mess, you know, voice to that for people, which is, which can be really important. I like it. I find it quite, you know, I went to the grave of Charles Messier in Paris, who's like an

astronomer who a lot of my work was related to. And I get, I get quite a lot from going to people's graves. I don't really know why it's like a, it is, yeah, the same. It's not a veneration for me, but it is like a little, and it's, I don't know if it's proximity to their remains. If that, I don't think that's in my head that this is the this is the closest I'll ever get to them someone who is significant to me but maybe there's a bit of that like you know this is the this is the most proximate I can get to them I'll tell you what's interesting is this idea that um you know, imagine husband and wife attending this church every week

and then one of them dies and so they have the funeral here at this church and then they move outside and their partner's buried here and then the following Sunday the remaining partner comes back to church and so they come back to worship, you know, in the place where the funeral was and right next to where their partner, wife or husband is. And you just have this sense of death is it kind of, it's with you all the way. It's not like something that happens over there and we quickly move on from it. It's like part of their forever, them going to church is them visiting that grave and giving thanks and grieving. It's all mixed in together. That person might've been baptized or their kids might've been baptized there.

That's, that's all pretty rich. That's a might've been baptized or their kids might've been baptized there. That's all pretty rich. That's a rich sense of locality and place. And part of me wonders if that makes it harder to move on. If every week you're coming and seeing a reminder of, I guess if it's your wife, there's enough things they're gonna remind you of that anyway that graves is another one. But I would feel like,

like if someone really close to me died and I saw their grave every week, I wonder if I'd find that difficult. Yeah depends what you mean by moving on like grieving thoroughly or quickly forgetting or you know not being like grief isn't something to be escaped from it's kind of carrying grief with you you know for a while if the love has been long the grief should be long in a sense and that might this might give structure to it different for everyone it's just interesting that that was the norm for a long while in in in in this culture yeah i used to find graves really scary when i was young walking around here like walking over dead bodies like it's funny how my attitude to them has changed

somewhat i find them far less spooky and creepy than I did when I was younger. I think we were shaped by that scene in BMX Bandits, you know, at night time. It's a whole other thing. And like thriller and things like that. Yeah.