The Unmade Podcast - 164: Unknown Hero

Episode Date: July 3, 2025

Tim and Brady discuss a t-shirt, marble races, an upcoming quiz, more streaks, water consumption, parental offices, swear words, West Wing episodes, total recall, the Salvation Army, and anonymous saviours.This episode contains discussion about swear words at about 20’00” but the bad ones are censored.Watch the marble race - https://www.patreon.com/posts/133205341Colonel Katrina quiz emails to [e-mail] us on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFMJoin the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/Unmade_Podcast/Catch the podcast on YouTube where we often include accompanying videos and pictures - https://youtu.be/gd2vRTelTKoUSEFUL LINKSThe Late Show - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Late_Show_(1992_TV_series)The seven dirty words - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_wordsWest Wing episodes - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_West_Wing_episodesPictures of Spoon of the Week - https://www.unmade.fm/spoon-of-the-weekThe Salvos - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Salvation_ArmyWilliam Booth - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_BoothThe mountainside marble race discussed by Brady can be seen in the episode’s YouTube video - https://youtu.be/gd2vRTelTKoWatch the marble race for Patreon prizes - https://www.patreon.com/posts/133205341

Hi everyone there's a section in this podcast about 20 minutes in where Tim and I discuss swear words and naughty words I've beeped out the bad ones the conversation is light-hearted but I just thought I'd let you know that's coming just in case a few of the sort of lesser bad words are in the show but I don't think it's anything too dramatic. Hey look what I'm wearing. Yes awesome love it. I'm wearing a t-shirt. Brady's wearing a birthday present that I sent him which seems to have been in the mail for several years but has finally arrived. It is the late show. A t-shirt from the late show which was a 90s comedy show that we both liked so I'm wearing the t-shirt. Thank you for my gift.

Do you like it? Is it good? The nostalgia is high. show that we both liked so I'm wearing the I'm wearing the t-shirt thank you for my gift. Do you like it is it good? The nostalgia is high. Yeah it's cool the working dog the production company have just started making them so it's like a proper legit one not like a- I had used to have a legit one when they used to sell them in the ABC shop back in the day. I remember you owning that I was very jealous of that the moment you pulled that out yeah. I always wished that I'd bought a bit more of that sort of merch back then but yeah they brought it all out now it's really cool. How many times do you reckon in history a show has been called the late show.

Oh good question. All those American talk shows have a variation on it don't they like the tonight show and late night with. And are we saying only in English or are we including other languages like you know, not let us show us and however you could say the late show in other languages which I can't say. I haven't watched as many of them but I know that there's a very famous Irish one that bands have appeared on the late show and then there's the late late show but this is the ABC's the late show comedy show we've mentioned it many times from the early nineties, band of comedians there that went on to do pretty legendary other things as well. And it wasn't like a talk show like a lot of other late shows are it was it was like sketch comedy mainly and mainly pre-recorded sketches with a bit of live stuff. it was like sketch comedy mainly and mainly pre-recorded sketches with a bit of live stuff. Yeah it was kind of a really cheap version of Saturday Night Live a little bit wasn't it,

sort of an Australian low budget version but less hypey and yeah very funny a lot of Australian humour, sharp humour, it warms my heart to see you wearing it. Wow I'm all about warming your heart. Let me do some quick parish notices. First of all there will be no Patreon winners announced mid show today because as promised the Patreon winners have been decided not by computer algorithm but by marble races set up and filmed by Brady. Awesome, awesome, totally awesome, that's great. So what I'm going to do is instead of the request room and instead of reading the winners mid show, I'm going to upload a very elaborate video I made showing all the races and how the winners were decided anyone who is a Patreon supporter will at some point. See their name briefly on screen during the eliminations going through to the prize winners it's it's quite the production.

And if you are a Patreon supporter you can go and watch it on our Patreon site links and all the usual places if you're not a Patreon supporter what better time to become one because you can watch the marble races and you can be in the running in future so. Check it out Tim did you watch it I did send you'd get really into this. So if you love elaborate toy setups, you know, with the marbles going down here and racing and Brady commentating over the top, this is absolutely your wheelhouse. Yeah. Fantastic. It's just the first try. I, there are things I want to improve. I'm going to make other tracks. I want to improve my commentary. I'm going to change the process as well. There's a, there's a lot I want to change. I'm thinking maybe of getting Tim involved in the commentary as well if you're up for it Tim. I'm up for it yeah I'm up for it yep I'd be honored. Okay well this is just the first

iteration but go and have a watch patreon.com slash unmade FM thank you Patreon supporters we love you and we love the non-Patreon supporters. You're going to build these I mean are they going to take over your house? How much do you have permission to build bigger ones around the house? I don't want to, I don't need to go too much bigger. I've got so many ideas, Tim. I lie in bed just thinking about this all the time. Tracks I want to build, things I want to do.

The thing, the problem is the editing and making of the videos and all the graphics and the multiple camera angles that is what sucks up all the time. Yeah. I reckon I probably spent half an hour building the track, a total of half an hour filming and setting up cameras and stuff. And then an entire day editing and doing graphics and putting it all together. Yeah, right. Wow. Enormously satisfying to put the balls in for the first time. The marbles surely. Yes it is nice.

It is nice. I do enjoy it. So anyway, go and check it out people. I'll remind you later in the show as well and we'll be discussing marble racing briefly again in the show in a very different context. But let's move on. Another piece of housekeeping. I don't know if everyone knows about this or not but we are planning another quiz and this is going to be a quiz of contributions and suggestions and questions that you would like to see us asked and challenged with.

If you would like to get in touch with such a thing, email Colonel Katrina, or one word, Colonel Katrina, spelling Colonel as part of the test, I guess. And Katrina with a K. Katrina with a K, another part of the test. Perhaps I will write it somewhere in the description. Colonel Katrina at gmail.com. Colonel Katrina at gmail.com. Drop her an email. I don't know if she's entering into dialogue with these people or she's just accepting the questions or what she's doing. We have very much been kept at arm's length deliberately but you can get in touch with her if you want to be part of the creation of this quiz that Tim and I will then be subjected to.

Hmm I maybe need to start boning up a bit for this like lack of knowledge because I have so much more to do with the creation process and part of me is thinking of questions people might ask and then thinking what is the answer to that and do I do I go and revise like do I go and. We can't we can't watch everything you can't listen to everything again. No. I mean you can people please go and do it please go and listen to everything again but in between now and the quiz we can't do that. I think we've just got to go in as we are I think that's to have integrity I think that's what we have to do. We are going to be caught short a little bit like you know sometimes you're introducing your wife and you suddenly forget her name or they ask what how old are your kids and you sort of stop for a moment go what are they like. Five they're older than four primary high school where are you know 455 15 sorry have you ever forgotten your wife's name no I haven't but that was the first example that came to mind. But I'm terrible at names though I am introducing other people and then suddenly halfway through I once forgot Colonel Katrina's name on like on the platform at church it was terrible and gosh just had to go with Colonel yes.

No it happens but I'm saying that kind of knowledge that you know you know but then in the moment you're going to forget it's going to be like that and I'm going to and I've got one of those for you in just a moment. you're going to forget it's going to be like that and I'm going to and I've got one of those for you in just a moment. We talked about streaks in the last episode people that have gone on really long streaks I talked about my friend Tim that went 1600 days in a row cold water swimming. I bumped into him in the street the other day and I said did you listen to the podcast Tim and he said I did I've got another friend streak on a two about he had a friend that run one mile a day every day in a row for 999 days and on the thousandth day he got a really really bad infection had to be taken to hospital was begging the doctor saying can I just go out and run one mile please and the doctor said absolutely not you cannot and his streak ended at 999 days. How frustrating how frustrating. No idea. We heard from lots of listeners this this obviously resonated with people a lot of people talked about their duo lingo streaks have you ever done duo lingo Tim. I don't even know what that is. streaks have you ever done Duolingo Tim?

I don't even know what that is. It's like a language learning app. I think I've never done it, but I think it's like an app where you choose a language you want to learn and every day you go on and it helps teach you the language and it teaches you words and how to say them. And so it helps you, it helps you get familiar with another language, but it's very much built around streaks and doing it every day to help you learn. And people love posting about their Duolingo streaks. So Ellen got in touch and said, my duolingo streak is currently at one thousand eight hundred and eighty five days.

Ellen says also I've read my Bible every day for a similar amount of time but that doesn't come with a built-in streak recorder. Nice work. Niharika is at 1750 days on the Duolingo, Gravity Tortoise 1200 days on the Duolingo. Hoogamur says, I have tracked everything I've eaten for the past 1575 days in the My Fitness Power App. Also, I had a 900 plus day Duolingo streak when my son was born. We were in the hospital for a couple of days when the birth happened and I broke the streak and I never picked it up again, which just goes to show how important these streaks can be. Sometimes they can be the thing that keeps you doing something.

Ferdin said, I'm a creature of habit, so I have a lot of streaks. Like others, I have a Duolingo streak. Mine is 2062 days, a quarter of habit so I have a lot of streaks like others I have a duo lingo streak mine is 2062 days a quarter of my life. But I've also done 288 crunches before bed every day for three years and run or bike every day for at least six months. Almost every day for a couple of years but but they've been a couple of times where early morning flights have forced me to break it. But they've been a couple of times where early morning flights have forced me to break it. I mean that kind of discipline is really quite impressive particularly to get into a groove for something you may not enjoy if you're really into something. Then then it of course it's easier but yeah it's a way of building momentum discipline. Lots of people have been in touch sorry I can't read all of them.

Cedric Cedric used to struggle to drink enough water during the day, started using a tracking app which has helped a tonne he says, as of today I've had at least two litres of fluid for 690 consecutive days. Are you a good fluid drinker Tim, do you drink your water? No, look I do but I'm terrible at remembering it which is why my wife is constantly remembering reminding the entire family to drink some water have you got water water there one of the things that's helped I have to say I've I've deliberately drunk more water over the last year some sugary mixture into it like that or are you still get are you still getting the water is the water still doing what it needs to do. Sure surely it is and that's a bit like saying I mean I know that there's a line of thinking that says that even though coffee is dehydrating you're also drinking a glass of water so you're actually you know what I mean it's keeping a neutral I don't think the right thing or is going to be dehydrating in the same way that. Like alcohol or coffee is surely it's it would be negating. Can your body use the water like can look can the body separate the water from the right thing or back to its constituent parts so the water. Is doing the job it needs to do in your body I don't know the answer to this because obviously I love drinking water when it's got something sweet and lovely in it.

It's very diluted I just like to have a little bit of colour in it and just a little bit of taste and that will make sure and we have these big glasses like because we use jam jars and like bigger jars for our glasses. and like bigger jars for our glasses and I have these really big ones and you fill one up and if it's just full of water it ends up just sitting there but if it's got Ribena in it there's for some reason maybe even just wastage it just seems like I will you don't throw that out you just you drink it down and so I tend to drink a lot more. Which makes me sound like a four year old doesn't it. I know but I do the same thing even last night I took a big two litre bottle this bottle here you can see I'm holding. Yeah. I have that sitting next to my bed and yeah last night I just put a cheeky dash of squash into it corneal to make it that little bit more palatable but I don't know whether I'm defeating the purpose of drinking the water if any if there any experts out there that know more about this let us know. Is it still counting towards our water quota if it's got a little bit of something special in it. Surely I mean it would be some sort of supersonic syrup if it could actually isolate the water in your body you know what I mean facilitated and being of no rehydration benefit whatsoever and going straight through. I don't know one thing I do know is that people will have firm opinions on this. They were on water certainly is it sexist to say I believe women have lots of hydration opinions. Yes.

My wife is deeply passionate about it other people that I've worked with that are female have very strong opinions about this. Yeah men don't take it as seriously every time I have a massage the therapist afterwards always said make sure you drink lots of water and do lots of hydration after this and I always nod and say yes yes yes I never do. Why what's what's massage got to do what is she squeezing the water out of you or something. Apparently there's something about massage that is dehydrating and it's important to drink water afterwards because every massage therapist I've ever had like beats me over their head with the importance of it. Maybe because they've moved like stuff around, like your lymph nodes or something. Well done, man. That's- that sentence isn't going anywhere insightful. Science. Maybe it's just, yeah, maybe they're moving it around.

It's like, yeah, but that's like a water bed. You move around and it's just yeah maybe they're moving it around it's like yeah but that's like a water bed you move around and it's still in you let's not like go hang on up having slept on you water bed you better. It's probably detoxifying it's probably not about hydration it's probably the the act of massaging probably brings things out into your system that are a bit toxic. Like out of like acids and things like that have gone into your system and the water flushes that out. That's what it's going to be. Right. It's like burst little nuclear storage sites all over your body that was like properly stored for 30,000 years, except the massage has busted them open and now it's seeping everywhere and you need to they need to hose it down, which is what you do. I'm sure in a nuclear disaster just hose it down. It'll be right.

Who's it down. Mad more water that'll do. I heard from Anna said when you talked about Brady's father bringing him home notepads from work and Brady's son knowing where his father's office is just nearby. It made me think of an idea for a podcast. When I was little, I had the chance of going to my mother's or father's office from time to time. It was like another very interesting unknown world for me where they spent all day while I was at school. So when I went there, I loved exploring and finding objects. My mother was a university professor.

At her office I loved discovering books and taking a box of chalk and going over to an empty university room filled with empty chairs and playing school. My father worked in a more classical office. In his office I used to love going to the water fountain and taking candy which were originally for customers my idea for a podcast is what did you love doing at your parents workplace when you were a kid. I this really resonates with me going to your parents workplace my dad's office when I was a little boy going to the newspaper office when I was little God that was exciting to me. Did you ever go to any of your dad's workplaces did you ever take you to the post office. Will I have to say since the age of three I my parents didn't have workplaces so dad had his big heart attack and and retired was forced to retire it at sort of when I was three or four.

I did before then go to the post office that's right it was like the postmaster. I did before then go to the post office that's right it was like the postmaster. Jump something or other at the trail and post office I do have the vaguest of memories of being in a pretty barren kind of room but with heaps and heaps of rubber bands that's the cool thing about post office this rubber bands everywhere. So I do remember that but that was very early on and after that in terms of being older and getting stationary and playing with it and all that kind of stuff alas no no I didn't. No yeah that's a missing part of your life my dad shared an office many many years ago at a different newspaper in Adelaide with a another journalist called Frank and I remember going to the office and Frank looked a lot like punch from chips the TV show which I thought was cool and I remember going to the office and thinking this was the coolest thing ever and I hadn't seen Frank for many many years. and other things because of the work he went on to do, but I hadn't met him in person for many, many, many years. And he was at my dad's funeral in February and, oh my goodness, it was so exciting to me. I said to him, Frank, one of my happiest childhood memories is coming to the office with you and dad and that. And he was like remembering me coming in as a little boy and stuff.

So, yeah, going into dad's office was like kind of a big deal. That's cool. I'd love to hear from other people about this if you've if this resonates with you if you've got some stories things to share please get in touch and tell us your parent office story. Cause it's pretty special your girls come into your work quite a lot I guess don't they. Will they do the hang out around the church and there's like a youth room and there's all sorts of lounge areas and other offices but they do love coming in and because I've just moved offices as well. I'm if you're watching this on YouTube I'm not in that tonight I'm in another office because partly because my office is being set up with new book shelves. I brought all these books over so it's half built and then the room adjacent to that needed to be used tonight so I'm in another room coincidentally but my youngest daughter was in there yesterday and I was describing how the bookshelf would be and the particular you know kind of cool little tubs

from Ikea that I'd got and she was squealing with delight at how neat and organized it's going to be with oh you can put these little things in there dad and you can put those things over there and she was clapping her hands with excitement about how neat and organised it's all going to be. Yeah, organising stationery. Where are your paper clips going to go? Where are your erasers going to go? That's very cool. This was interesting. We heard from Jepcz who was responding to me talking about how I don't swear I talked about how I don't say swear words and Jep Katz says I've definitely heard Brady say taking the piss before which I'm sure they have because I do say piss. So Jep Katz says so I assume there's agreement with George Carlin in his interview on Seven

Dirty Words that piss isn't a top tier swear word in the same way as others, at least anymore. I looked a bit further into this Tim, obviously George Carlin is a very famous comedian. And he had this, he released an album actually in 1972, but he talked about this a lot. The album was called Class Clown. And one of the tracks on the album was called Seven Words That You Can Never Say on Television. It was a bit of a monologue. He identified these seven words, expressed amazement that they couldn't be used regardless of context. And a lot of his comedy around that time was based on these seven words seven swear words.

I'm wondering whether or not you can guess what the seven swear words are. You could not say on television this is from the 70s. I've got seven words here. I'll give you one because I've thrown a bit of a red herring. Piss is one of them. Right. Yes. Okay. Okay.

Piss. I want six more swear words from you that are on George Carlin's famous list presumably dreaming you don't know the list I know you're familiar with George Carlin's work. I know George Carlin yes but no I've never seen that routine and I don't know but look I'll let me let me start with a heavy hitters and move. Yes. Yes. Yes. Very common now, but I mean, even the even even the F words common now, the president used it the other day on television. What's another word? Oh, look, this is this next word, I think is the worst word.

This is the word I never use. Yes. I think that's the worst word. I don't know if he would have included blasphemy or not but I'm going to suggest perhaps on television in the 70s. No that's not on the list and blasphemy is not none of them are blasphemous. Right okay. So there are three more to go and of these three I'll give you a clue I'll give you some help of the three remaining I would describe two of them as kind of compound words two things two words together and the third one I'm surprised is on the list. Right.

But it is, you know, it is rude, but I wouldn't consider it a swear word. Well, I want the compound word. I'm going to go with. Although that's very Australian though, I think, isn't it? Very English and Australian. So, yeah. Hmm. But they're not using the words that I've already mentioned with off at the end or anything.

One of them is kind of one of them is kind of using that which was always a big debate in his routines about whether it is being duplicated too much. Oh. One of them. Okay. Well firstly. Hmm. Right. Okay.

What is it? No, but that is that is the word that is included in this compound. Kind of kind of included. Oh, no. Okay. Right. How do I? Hmm.

I mean, I wonder if in there, is that one of them? No. Right. No. Um, uh, yes. Yeah. Yes. Get inside my inner Samuel L. Jackson. Mm.

So, I've got two more. Damn. No. Well, I remember my mum being upset with me using the word damn, because she says that means damnation, like people going to hell. That's terrible. Which words here am I going to beep out, by the way? Like, do you want me to beep out damn?

No, I don't want you to beep out damn and don't worry about the f***s. OK, we've got two more. Two more? F***. One of them. Hang on. Blip that out. Blip of them. Well, hang on. One of them. Blink that out.

Blink that out. I said ****. I can't think of two more swear words. Hang on. Just let me just give me a second here to just say. ****. ****. ****.

Is **** one of them? Close. Compound. ****. Yes. Oh, goodness me. That's's well that's a terrible thing to say yes I would never say. Didn't you. Yes I did yes sorry back to the show. Okay one to go and this one you're gonna have to change your thinking a little bit. Right okay so it's not so much a swear word or as a word you can't say on television.

Perhaps. Yeah. Think of it. Do you want a big clue? Yeah. Give me a big clue. Think of, um, Are you going to beep that out? Yep. You can't do that.

F***. Yep. What have you put me into this for? There we go. Thank you for that, Torturous. I'm the one that has to do the editing. Oh dear. I noticed you somehow got through all of that without ever saying any of them. So gosh. No, I said, um, I said piss and I said, and I would be willing to say.

Right. Right. So I'm willing to say three of the seven. It's it's suffice to say that television has changed its standards quicker than you have. The unmade podcast has really let its standards go. I tell you what, we've gone into a whole new zone. This should be a special sealed section. Ideas for a podcast, who's going first?

Well, I think I'll go first because I'd like to contain this idea, but I do wonder if you'll beg it to go a little bit longer. And it might be something that can be sprinkled throughout the show, like we might revisit it later in the show. I don't have a good name for this podcast but that's not anything surprising for anyone. But I there's something like last minute list or last minute quiz or no warning quiz or something like that the premise of this is essentially that with no warning this is what you do when you're sitting around with mates with no warning you suddenly offer up the situation of a. Trivia question and ask how many of these can you name or who would you name but. This idea finds its most beautiful form because I'm going to put it to you I think I'm not sure about the amount of time perhaps you can help me to work this through because it's going to be a nice amount of time but I also don't want all our people sitting around listening all day and go well this is boring. So I'll really let you off the leash haven't I. So this this is a quiz I this is a podcast episode of of no warning quiz last minute list whatever name we come up with and and you're the contestant today and I've invited you on and I'm and I'm saying your challenge today.

Little bit like your idea where you phone someone and suddenly it's a podcast I think this is one of those situations. Yeah. I want you to name as many episodes of the West Wing as you can. What by name like the title? The names of the episodes. This is a show. This is your this is your favourite show. You watch it again and again. It's your comfort show that you take on the plane on a on an iPad.

Yeah. You watch it again and again. How many can you name? They always have such pretentious names that have almost nothing to do with the episode, which makes it really hard. I think if you gave me a long list of names and said which ones are West Wing episodes and which ones aren't I could probably do quite well but. That's an interesting idea. I mean I'll reel off a couple I guess. Do you want to time, do you want to see how many you can do in a minute?

Nah, nah not really. What? I'll just give you some. You're worse at this than I thought, I thought you'd be legendary at it but go for it. Alright, alright. No I'm not going to be good at it. Really? If you want to give me a minute that's fine.

No I don't know, I know Tomorrow. Yes. That was the Final Ever episode. Yes. And Two Cathedrals. Yes. Probably the most famous one. I remember there's that one that's like Ahamed El Shahad or something which was the word for Father of Daughters, but I can't remember exactly what the words were.

Yeah Abu- I remember that was a funny- Abu et al or something, yeah. They have lots of them have Latin names. Do you know the famous one? The most famous one? You don't know these? I would have thought you would love this and-

My recall's really bad for this sort of thing. Oh, right. If you give me clues I'll probably get, I'll do quite well. Like prompts. All right. All right. Let's go. Let's go.

The first season. What's the first one called? Oh, is it? It's either going to be called pilot or it's going to be called, oh no, it won't be called. POTUS. I know he falls off his bike. Hmm. No, it is called pilot.

Well done. I think they're all called Pilot. The second one is a Latin one. Do you know that one? No. Starts off post. Like post ad hocum or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Post hoc ergo proctor hoc. The third one. This is following someone dying in a plane crash being shot down. And so. A proportional response you don't know this wow you're not a real. What do you say a proportional response I'm like oh yeah you know I can remember the episode and you know about the saying someone's gonna have to explain to me one day. You know what's meant by proportional response and all that I remember the episode I just don't remember the names. Okay what's the name of the episode let me just quiz you generally then okay about the names of episodes. Okay.

What's the name of the episode where they choose a new justice of the Supreme Court? Oh the Supremes. Very good very good. Yeah. What's the episode called where they launch a new satellite? Is it something about Galileo? Very good Galileo. Yes, well done.

Okay, yeah. What's the episode called that is a dress? Vera Wang. The black Vera Wang. Very good. Right. What is the episode that involves the foyer of the West Wing. Something about a big giant cheese or something?

No. Indians in the lobby. Oh, right. Yeah. Isn't there one that's called cheese or big cheese or something that's about a big cheese? There is the big block of cheese day. I don't know if that's an actual episode though. I can't see that. No, I don't know if that's an actual episode though I can't.

No I don't think it's in the title alright let me give you one more what's one that. There a bit more legendary earlier on in the first few seasons. So he shall be or like this one that's got a really pompous sounding title like that and he shall so be or something what's that one. That's where he goes to give the state of the union and that's called he shall from time to time. Oh yeah that's right yeah. Given account to the people of you know America. And there's the one that ends with him talking to the guy on the ship in the storm that's got an interesting title to isn't it when they the final scene is him talking to the guy on the little tender ship. isn't it when the the final scene is him talking to the the guy on the little tender ship.

Yeah I can't remember the name of that one here's here's here's my final one this is the longest title and it comes from a song. No. Start the first word is somebody's. No I'm busy I'm too busy thinking about other titles now. No I don't know. Somebody's going to emergency somebody's going to jail. Okay yeah and there's one there's one or two that are just numbers aren't there like they sometimes use numbers like or a number of votes or something and. The last one is called of season four is called 25 but I can't remember why it's called 25. What's the one when John Goodman becomes a president? Oh and the one where the shoot the one where the assassination attempt happens is named after the place isn't it?

No no it's in the shadow of two gunmen and what kind of day has it been? Yeah no the one that you may be thinking of is when his his personal secretary Mrs Lanningham dies. Oh yeah the intersection. Yeah and she's killed in a car crash on the intersection of 18th and Pontiac. Pontemac. That's it. I think it is yeah. Potomac.

Potomac. Potomac sure sure yep so there you go. I thought you'd be better at that. That's a little bit. No and I'm really bad at just like recall like that that's actually I've never been great at that and I definitely feel like I'm getting worse. But I like your podcast idea Tim I do wonder how much this would be incredibly boring for someone who doesn't watch the West Wing. Care about the West Wing. Yes, to be clear, my podcast is not just centred on the West Wing.

It would be about. No, no, no, no. Well, yes, perhaps it could be called Total Recall. Maybe it's something Total Recall could be. Good idea. Good idea. Yeah. I love that idea. Total Recall.

Cause how many of an entire list can you remember? Like all the Beatles albums or every film directed by Steven Spielberg. Yeah, that's good. Things like that. Yeah, yeah, very good. I sometimes do this and I know I've done it with you a little bit as well. Name every player in the Hawthorne Premiership team from 1989, you know, and that's brilliant. Yeah, yeah.

Cause. I like it. I like it. Yeah, naming all the members of certain teams is fun too. Isn't it? Cause there's always one or two you forget like who was in that World Cup winning team. And you remember a few famous ones and not the other ones. And I like the idea, Tim.

And although if it's the total recall of that day is not something you're into, like the West Wing or Hawthorne's football team from 1999. If the, if watching the people try to recollect it is fun enough, then maybe it still works. Would it only be fun if you know the answers yourself and you're calling them out? It's always, that's always more fun. If you've never watched the West Wing. Oh, clearly no. That's right.

Yeah. Yeah. Unless you like that person's stewing. So it's the same people each time and you're trying to give them a different list. Like, I think people would like that with us if it was trying to put Brady under the pump again and again and I was trying to bring things up. There are YouTube channels and social media things that are like that can you name like you know the 10 most popular ice cream flavours and you watch the people just try and figure it out. I'm really disappointed with your knowledge of the West Wing. I really wonder whether you've watched it at all.

I think my knowledge of the West Wing is good. I think my knowledge of titles and names is bad. I'm not sure you can separate them. This is a list of episodes. But anyway, do you not? I guess you get to a point where you click past the name of the episode, do you? You like, you know, a skip recap, skip the title. As soon as you read them all back, I'm like oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah there's not a there's not a single name that you've read back to me that I went oh I don't remember that all of them I remember.

But I just don't have the total recall. Very famously, field's landing is one that's been turned into a stage play and has actually been put on as a production off Broadway but yeah, Hartfield's landing very good episode involves a chess game and the whole works. The woman of Kumar gone quiet ways and means so many episodes very good very good let Bartlett be Bartlett. Yeah was the was the one where they took you taking out the trash given the title or not? Yeah, take out the trash day. Yeah. Yeah.

And then they got a bit boring towards the end, but they were very clever early on. Two cathedrals, I think you're right, is probably the most famous one. But again, only for those that, you know, watch. Should we do Sp spoon of the week. Let's move on to spoon of the week which is a very I'd have to say. Presidentially West Wingy looking spoon this time a very elaborate kind of you know glam political American looking spoon. It's a fantastic looking spoon Tim it's one of the best ones you brought to the table so far. It's very beautiful and I have to say it's layer upon layer in fact it's chunky it's it's almost as thick as it is. Why it will not quite it is though not political it's a spoon from the salvation army and this is interesting because. The salvation army is a church christian denomination as people know which has major welfare centers and does incredible work but as a church is i think still has the weirdest.

Name of all churches the salvation army just sounds so tweet doesn't it really but it's it's massive. And this is a salvation army spoon commemorating now what does it say there it's a centennial spoon from nineteen eighty. And it's obviously the Australian salvation army because it's got a map of Australia. Oh indeed yeah and a kangaroo. Is it a kangaroo? Yes I think it is. Oh it is a kangaroo, yeah it's a kangaroo leaping. There's a lot going on in the design on the handle here. There's a crown, a kangaroo, Australia with 1980 written in gold and it says the Salvation Army, Australia Centenary year. So it must have been their 100th year in Oz. And a bit of colour too. Where was the Salvation Army founded?

The Salvation Army was founded, oh that's a very good question, I might instinctively want to say England but I... Oh yeah it's some guy in, isn't it some guy in like Derbyshire or... William and Catherine Booth? Yeah Booth, is that it? Because his hometown I think is in Derbyshire and I've been there. Right, okay. I'm pretty sure it is. Let me look it up. Yeah, William Booth.

In the East End. No, Snenton. Nottingham, not Derbyshire. Yeah, Snenton. Yeah, I've been to where he... Oh no, you know, and then also Belpar in Derbyshire. That's what I'm thinking of. So that's the part of the UK William Booth was from up around Nottinghamshire Derbyshire. You're sounding very English now man it's like the little man from the village is from Derbyshire come and have a cup of tea lovely. I know my East Midlands. And it's a particularly expression of the church that was massively focused on reaching the poor and serving the poor and feeding the poor so my father was in the salvation army in. The Netherlands I grew up it as a young boy in the salvation army and then but then when they moved to Australia he remained in it until around the nineteen seventies when he got more involved in the Pentecostal church.

he got more involved in the Pentecostal Church much more sort of contemporary sort of church and was in that and that's what I grew up in that sort of expression of church as a young person but then right at the end of. Their life after I was well gone and married and all the rest of it they decided to go back to join the Salvation Army again and my mum joined and they got really into it like got uniforms and signed the pledge. They re-enlisted. Yeah they did yeah and got really involved in helping in the thrift shop and raising funds and you know all that kind of stuff that that volunteers get involved in so but that's that's why that makes this a little bit perplexing because this 1980 centennial spoon is during the season that dad was certainly not part of the salvation army. I must it could it could be I just look it could be that back then he just got it because even though he left the salvation army. army he he got a centennial spoon or it could be that it's just come into the thrift shop in the collection in in this more recent period and he's gone oh that's a nice spoon i'll add that to my collection even though he wasn't as a more passionate collector then. Oh i'll have that one i'll pocket that one. So there we go.

I tell you what it's a good looking spoon go to the show notes and have a look people it's one of the nicer spoons Tim has shown us do you ever wish there was a Salvation Navy or Air Force? That would be just lots of passionate old people just being getting into aircrafts and flying off that would be more some dropping soup on people hot soup here we are folks. Marvellous salvation Navy though imagine that they got like battleships and all sorts. Yeah yeah different uniforms or the same uniform I think they probably have to have like a slightly different.

Normal military. Yeah no very nice. Do you have ranks in the Salvation Army has it got like an army structure because their uniforms are very military looking. They do they do have like the ministers are sort of called captains and they sort of a captain of a they still I think they still call it a church I'm not sure they call it a squadron or something like that but they are called captains and then. A little bit higher up at moves to generals what rank did your dad right oh dad was just a member yeah no just a just an enlisted man not even really an officer yeah probably should have been sent to the brig infantry infantry yeah. I did find it's really. I mean they so I think this is a you know this is an understandable way of getting a movement organized and it just happened to grow and become incredibly popular worldwide sort of movement and so into the modern world it sounds a bit crazy but it should be said that where Salvo Shinami oversees massive welfare work in Australia like really really incredibly

is one of the most trusted organizations and trusted brands for people to donate to. Yeah the Salvos they call them in Australia. The Salvos there there's Salvos shops everywhere and. Thank God for the Salvos, I remember the TV ad. Thank God for the Salvos. That's right, that's right. Yeah, yeah. So if you're starting out tonight with a brand consultant, it's like, hey, let's call your new movement, the Salvation Army. That'd be like the worst name ever. But of course it rings true and it's been there forever so yeah. My idea for a podcast.

I think I want to call it something like unknown hero this isn't unsung heroes this is unknown heroes people who have been heroes you but you don't know who they were. What you don't know who they were or other people don't know you don't know and let me give you a recent example from my life. I was on holiday recently in the Tyrol mountains near the border of Austria and Italy and we went up on a cable car my wife Edward and Edward and myself, the three of us as a family, went up the cable car to the top of this mountain. That's usually a ski mountain, which is why I had cable cars. Because it was the summer, it was practically deserted up there. People just go up there to go hiking and walking in the grass and the fields that normally would be ski slopes.

So hardly anyone up on this mountain, just a smattering of people. All the cafes and shops and things that would normally be open were all closed. And they have these things in that part of the world that I didn't know about that are essentially like big marble runs, but bigger. They're big kind of like half pipe tube things that do loop to loops and corners and things. And they go part way down the mountain. They probably go 50,60 meters down the mountain. And you put these big wooden balls in them that are about the size of a golf ball, maybe a little bit bigger than a golf ball. You drop a wooden ball in it and then falls down the bottom in a bucket.

It's a fun thing that kids do and it's quite a common thing in the mountains apparently. They build them almost like public parks where you can go and play on one of these things. So we came up to one of them on the mountain right? Yeah. And Edward saw her and immediately his eyes lit up and he was taken. He so wanted to drop a bowl in. The problem was the wooden bowls that you need to drop in them are sold via vending machines and you have to put a two euro coin in the vending machine to

get your wooden bowl to drop in the marble run as many times as you want and play with it. We had no money on us. And this was a problem because we've got a little three-year-old boy who's seen this ultimate fun marble run, he can see this big glass machine full of wooden bowls and he just wants one bowl. Please daddy, please daddy. Can I have one bowl to drop in the marble run? I'm sorry, Edward.

I've got nothing. I've got no money. I've just got my card. Who has money these days? And I don't have euro coins of any are. He was so distressed and so unable to get his head around the fact I couldn't give him one of these wooden balls I go to every shop every building everywhere the person who's running the cable car looking for a place that's open or a place that has coins nothing. a place that's open or a place that has coins, nothing. Then this woman comes over the ridge, walking towards us. She walks towards us. She gets to us.

One of the only other people on the mountain. I explained the predicament. I desperately need two euros. She's got no money on her. She's got no coins. She can't help, but way, way in the distance, she sees two other people. She goes, wait here. And she walks off into the distance and walks up to these people I see them talking and then she looks back at me and crosses her arms if you say no luck but then she sees someone else way way up the mountain in the trees she goes walking up towards that person.

back down the mountain along the path with a two euro coin that I put in the machine and can buy Edward his wooden bowl and he spends the next 20 minutes playing with this marble. And we spoke to this woman, I was so grateful, but I don't know her name. I don't know. I think she was German. She was on holiday. I know she was an English teacher. That's all I know about her but she was my hero that day because I couldn't speak to all these other people up the mountain anyway because it turns out no one spoke English. Right yes. I need two euros was almost impossible but this woman was an English teacher and spoke English and she got the two year and she got the two euros she was my hero that day. She's my unknown hero I don't know her name she came out of nowhere she then disappeared across the mountain never to be seen again but for that 1520 minutes. My hero and I think we all have lots of stories like this I sometimes hear them on the radio where people tell stories about. My uncle had a heart attack and some guy just pulled over and gave him CPR before the ambulance arrived and then he he vanished and I don't know who he was, but he saved my uncle's life. That's like extreme versions. But I also liked the minutiae versions.

I spoke to my wife before recording. I said, have you got one of these? And she said, she reminded me of a great story. She was driving in the, in the British countryside on one of those really, really narrow, narrow lanes you get in the British countryside, but out on the moors where everything was very flat. And you have these ditches where they have little canals next to the road. And some frankly, dickish driver coming the other way deliberately drove really intimidatingly and fast and kind of almost veered her off the road to get past. Really inconsiderate.

Hmm. Her wheels came off the road. She went into the ditch and she ended up half in the ditch, two wheels in the ditch. Couldn't move the car. It was late. It had just become dark. She was stranded and all alone. This other car comes past this big old beat up land rover with a farmer driving it.

Sees the situation. My wife explains, look, I'm stuck. No phone coverage where she is. This farmer says, I'll come back in a minute. Drives away, comes back 10 minutes later with a tractor from his farm, hooks a chain onto her car, pulls her out of the ditch with his tractor and a chain. So her car's back up on the road. She's able to drive away. She never, she doesn't know his name. He was just a mystery savior, an unknown hero.

Have you got an unknown hero, Tim? Oh, there's been lots over the years. Yeah. I remember pulling over late one night and someone else just, the car breaking down, like I can't even remember what the issue was, but you know, another car pulling over a guy just walking over, helping you say thank you before you get a chance to sort of really what's going on. He's just gone, you know, just not, not standing around looking for a selfie and the thanks not looking for any glory just like there we go should be right might off you go bang he's gone yeah.

The other kind of hero that I like I like a little generous hero to light I've had some moments it's happened a couple of times and I've started to make it a little bit of a practice sometimes when. started to make it a little bit of a practice sometimes when you're meeting with someone at a cafe and then suddenly you see there's someone else you know in the cafe and so you do the quick little, oh g'day Bob, you know, how are you going? All the rest of it and all that sort of stuff. And then he goes to his table and then you just keep meeting and with your person and then Bob finishes his coffee, pays and he's left. And I go when I finish my meeting and you know several minutes later I walk over to pay and I go no no Bob fixed it up that guy on the way and use. Nice nice didn't have to do that but just that's class you know that's just classy love it love it just a real hero it's just like. Yeah just just thoughtful. That's like a rant that's more like a random act of kindness than a.

Oh that's right. That's like a rant that's more like a random act of kindness than a hero but yeah I like it too. Well look now that's right it would be it would be more if I was in the Swiss Alps like you and he brought me a cup of coffee over the hills, walked it down to me and said here we go. I was once at this spa retreat type place and it was and I had a huge outdoor area full of little pools and jacuzzis and lazy river type things. It was quite elaborate, quite big. And you just moved around in the water into little different alcoves and grottos and things like that. And it was very bubbly because it was like jacuzzi style. So you couldn't see the bottom. Everywhere was all bubbly, turbulent water. And there was this really, really upset woman who had lost her ring, I think it was like her engagement ring or something, a diamond ring in the water and she couldn't find it

and there was no hope of finding it. This place was huge and people were helping but there wasn't much to be do. And I just started walking around like the 20, 30-meter square meter area that she was nearest to, just feeling the bottom with my feet. Mm. Just trying to find it. And suddenly, suddenly I felt the diamond on my, on my big toe. And I like reached it deep into the water and pulled out, pulled out the ring and said, I found your ring. And I gave it to her and it was miles from where she was looking.

Did you get down on one knee when you handed it to her? Here we are. I've waited a long time. She was so happy. Yeah. And so grateful. And then I was able to just disappear into the bubbly mist as a hero, as the savior that found her. Did you just, just lower yourself down into the water and then just go on.

More than random acts of kindness. If you've had someone who has saved the day for you but you don't know who they are. Yeah. Tell us your story. Who's your unknown hero? Unknown hero. Yeah, no, that's good. I mean, that's good.

I'm trying to think if there's a better title, but I guess that just says what's in there. I know. I agree. It's not perfect. It can't be unsung hero because they're being sung on the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. It at on the podcast. Yeah, yeah. It's more the anonymous. It could involve anonymous, anonymous hero, anonymous savior. But yeah, I want I want to be people who to this day, you don't know who they were, but you still feel like you owe them a debt.

How did you think this woman who came back with the dollar, did you bow down and worship her? Like I was so there's nothing I could do because I had no money. I had nothing to give. I mean, I could have got, I could have got her email or address and said, oh, you know, can I send you an unmade podcast spoon? But, uh, we didn't. Well, I mean, she wouldn't want anything, would she go, here we go here. You can send me a reward later. You know, did you hug her or shake her hand or?

It didn't feel right to hug her, but we were really grateful. We had a really nice chat with her, but it was a really weird situation to be on a mountain side because Kylie, my wife was saying, you know, what can we do? Where can we get the money? And I said, well, people will walk along this path from time to time. We can just wait till someone has two euros and ask them. And she was like, no, no, no, no. She was really uncomfortable with that.

Cause essentially it was just involved begging that because essentially it just involved. Begging for money in a public place and she wasn't comfortable with that but I had like an upset three year old and I would do anything to get him that ball I was I would have smashed open the vending machine. So I was quite comfortable with begging for the money because I felt like people would understand but she didn't even want us to do that. Was she, was she, was it like you were all from the same place where you could say, look, we'll meet up tonight in the bar and I'll buy you a nice drink or something? No, she was just no, no, we were no, it's completely random, different. Yeah. She was just, she was just a random savior that walked over the ridge, went and did more walking, used her language skills, begged for the money for us, brought us

the two euros. I'll tell you what, she would never leave the house again without two euros in her pocket as well. She'll think of it every time and just went enough to save other lives. This more than any others is one that I really would like to hear from our listeners. This would be cool to hear some stories I reckon. Heralding our own it's our own marvel universe of superheroes. Who's your unknown hero? Maybe we'll be able to put you in touch with them. Maybe somehow we can do the impossible.

If that lady's listening to this now and you're the hero, we'd love to hear from you as well. Definitely. I'll send you two euros on PayPal. Nice. It felt wrong to offer to send her the money online. I just felt like know it just didn't seem it's almost seem like it would have been insulting. Will it does seem like a small too small an amount of money to I'll pay you back as if somehow it's about the money or about the trust or something like it's like. You know this it would be interesting to know how high you could go how much in a situation could you ask for and just say look I just need it like it's not a begging situation. I just want to thanks for the two euros but if you got any more money.

What else you got what just stuff empty your pockets what's going on. Those keys what car have you got is that a BMW key ring. Do you really want that could I have that I've got a screaming three year old here I want to I want to drive away. Get in touch people get in touch we want to hear from you you can email us unmadefm at gmail.com. us unmade FM at gmail.com you can use reddit you can use the Patreon page you can use all the different things you can come to Tim's church on a Sunday morning and just walk up to him and tell him your story. Yeah that'll cost two euros that'll another name for this could be saves the day saves the day. Saves the day. A person who just saves the day got it beautiful. But I like that they're anonymous.

Yeah. An anonymous savior. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We're all done. Now remember no requests for him today for Patreon supporters instead go and watch the marble runs, not the wooden one up the mountain. One I've made in my office.

Go and watch the marble runs and find out wooden one up the mountain, one I've made in my office. Go and watch the marble runs and find out which Patreon supporters are going to get prizes. Did you really watch it all? Watch all what? My marble run. Not all of it. No, I watched enough of it to get it.

You didn't, so you don't know who won. You didn't know who won. No, I don't know who won. I didn't. I thought you were just doing a test run of all the things. No, I didn't see it to the end. No, that was the whole video I sent you. It's got the winners and everything. Oh, right. No, I didn't see it all the end that was the whole video I sent you it's got the winners and everything.

Alright no I didn't see it all the way to the end I was watching like going this is cool this is really cool this is great I could see what you're doing there I just assume we're gonna have a hundreds of these aren't we. Not if I take this long to make not until I find some efficiencies. So that was for this episode is that we should sign up uploaded now. People can go watch it now. So to find out the winner, they have to watch it to find out the winner. Ah, right. Yeah. Okay. Because I thought I could say the names of the winners here and see, watch the marble run to see how they won, but that would ruin the suspense of the marble run for the people

watching. Sorry, I thought it was just an example. There we go. Yeah, right. Man, did you see how much work I put into that? Well, yeah. How easy do you think it is to make videos? I guess I didn't think-

It's got like multiple cameras, multiple shots. It's got animations with all the Patreon names, scrolling up the screen. It's got graphics. I guess so. It took all day. In my mind, it was like, oh, you've set all this up. That's really great. And you film it and then you like do the- you know what I mean?

Like it's somehow automated for each one but. Different things happen in every race in a couple of races the marbles fall out and people lose and it's like drama what do you do you watch formula one every week and think I love just this is just another right it's probably the same same setup. I know the marbles would behave differently I guess I didn't think about it in terms of how much it's another production each time you're gonna do this that's huge. Because you've got to choose when do I cut from this camera to this camera. Yeah right yeah right that you've really made you made you made a rod for your own back there I'll tell you this is you get too excited about these things and you've now like dedicated. But if you're not watching it what hope have I got no one's gonna watch. I watched it admirably I just didn't watch it all the way through I just thought it was like a check this out this is the indicative sort of you know dummy run sort of thing and I was like cool this is awesome look at this but yeah wow okay I didn't I didn't take note and get to the end of all the world. I sent it to one of my other friends and he watched all of it and commented on trends and noticed which colours were performed which colour marbles were performing better than other ones he was he watched it and he doesn't even listen to the podcast. Why doesn't he listen to the podcast.

Yeah I don't know good point. Maybe he just doesn't like you. Maybe maybe. Let's go someone go and watch the marble run. For goodness sake, please. I will watch the marble run through to the end. I watched the last bit.