The Unmade Podcast - 176: Moon Boots and Magic Mountain

Episode Date: March 11, 2026

Tim and Brady discuss a victorious moment, Wesley in New York, more Wesleys, annoying phrases, interruptions, a sentimental spoon, and a weird identification game?Catch the missing Moon segment (we had some fun with it) - https://www.patreon.com/posts/152705412And catch this week’s Request Room - https://www.patreon.com/posts/152710897Support us on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFMJoin the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/Unmade_Podcast/Catch the podcast on YouTube where we often include accompanying videos and pictures - https://youtu.be/CXmwVzqcSawUSEFUL LINKSPhotos to accompany this episode - https://www.unmade.fm/episode-176-picturesPictures of Spoon of the Week - https://www.unmade.fm/spoon-of-the-weekCatch the bonus Request Room episode - https://www.patreon.com/posts/152710897
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Yeah. I'm lovely. Thanks, man. What's the best thing that's happened in the last week? week. In the last week, it was my youngest daughter's birthday, so that's exciting. Correct answer. Yeah. Glad I remember that. That's good. Glad I didn't go with the glorious set of tennis that I won on Friday. Yeah. So.

Who do you beat at tennis? Well, I play with two groups. One is a bloke from church who's in his early 70s. But he's, and kept pointing out how many coronary sort of issues that he has, particularly after I beat him. But he's been the guy that's been coaching me all this time. So it was a bit of a coup. Okay. Yeah, yeah, where the student became the teacher kind of moment. Sort of Darth Vader, Obi-1, Kenobi sort of Luke Skywalker vibe.

It was, it was. It was a serious moment, particularly because I killed him. When you beat him, like when you hit the match point to winner, did he just disappear and his tennis clothes just fell on the court? and he was gone. I think he wanted to. It was glorious because I finished him with an ace that hit the line and deviated away. Like it was just fantastic. And I was so calm because I listened to this podcast a few days beforehand with Darren Cahill,

who's like Yanuk Sinner's coach, but also an Adelaide person that's important for us. And he was talking about like the psychologist. of tennis, and he was talking about how big it is and how you've got to learn. Most tennis players, of course, are young, so they're young men or women, so they're still maturing. He says, you've really got to teach them, not just the mental determination, but how to not freak out when things go bad, but he also said how not to over-celebrate when things go well. That all came flooding back to me. When I won, I just thought, nah, just look like you've done it before. Look like this is no big deal. So I just strut.

off the court. Was this the first time you'd beaten your aging 70 plus tennis coach? Yes, yes, it was. Yes, it was. He's pretty amazing, okay. Apart from the time he had a near heart attack on the court and we had to abandon it, which I've always claimed as a win, but he says didn't count. No, okay.

This is the first time I've beat him fair and square. Do you pepper him with drop shots? No, I'm a bit more fair, but he's still, he's pretty good. I tell you, these old guys at net, they can get forward pretty quick. They can't get back quickly, but they can get forward pretty quick. Yeah, yeah, they're wily, they're wily. And his accuracy is incredible. So he just gets, he puts it, you know, he's got me running from corner to corner.

He's really quite incredible. But, yeah, but well, he's obviously not that incredible because I've just beaten him. What was the score? He was ahead, and then I came back. So he was, I think it was six four. Right. He was four. and then had a heart attack.

That's right. Yeah, yeah. He wasn't there at the end. The ambulance guy took over. Well done. Well done. You've become the master. I look forward to hearing what happens when your next play.

I know. This is when you come to visit in a few months' time. It's going to be like Empire Strikes Back. I'm going to have to reload and reset. Yeah. That's going to be big next time we play because you've yet to nab a set off me, but maybe it's time. Maybe it is. I'm working my down debt from people in their 70s.

Okay. To people in their 70s. in there. Or you're only in your 40s, actually, but I'll be in my 50s when you're here. So I'll have clicked over. We'll be in different decades. We'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. Anyway, like I said, my daughter's birthday was the most wonderful thing that happened in the last week. Yeah, you can't stop talking about it. I am just back from a work trip to New York.

Oh, you were, yeah. Yeah, the main thing. I was doing there was like a, I did a talk to lots of people who watch number file. So obviously, a lot of them came up afterwards and wanted to say hello and, you know, say, I'll watch number file and stuff. Yeah. But there were a certain subset of those people who then said, by the way, loving the ad-made podcast. Oh. And those few people who dropped that knowledge were rewarded when I just would pull from my pocket a few spoon of the week collector cards and say, this one's for you. From the new batch?

From the new batch? From the new batch. Whoa. But best of all was I had a little cheeky look at our list of patrons to see if any of them were from New York City. And there were some. So I just sent out some emails, nothing pushy, no follow-ups, just an email saying, I happen to be in New York. If you want some spoon of the week cards, just saying.

And I got a reply from a gentleman named Wesley or Wes, as he calls himself. I called him Wes. Wes, yeah. But apparently it should be Wes. He likes Wes. Either is fine, he said. But anyway, he met me in the lobby of my hotel. We had a cup of tea, had a chat, chewed the fat, gave me a bunch of spoon of the week cards, a healthy batch, a healthy handful.

Mostly random, but I handpicked two that would New York themed as a little special something for him. And he walked away a happy man. I'm not sure how I feel about you stalking our... patron supporters like this man. I mean, this is, please, can we catch up? I've flown all this way. This is a fair point. This is a fair point.

But I do like the idea of when I find myself in some random part of the world, where there may be Patreon supporters I would never have met otherwise, just saying, look, I'm here, I'm here. Yeah. No pressure, no follow-up, no pestering. Just, just one email, I'm here. If you want to catch up, fine. If you don't, if you just want me to leave Spoon of the week,

We eat cards in an envelope at the hotel reception. I'll do that too. You don't have to even, you don't even have to meet me. But I want to get these cards out there. You know how I feel about them. They're very special. Oh, okay, okay. So this is about, this isn't about stalking or needing a place to stay for the night

or wanting someone to buy your dinner or anything like that. It's more about getting the cards out there. It's getting the cards out there. I paid for the coffee, you know. Right. Okay. No, fair enough. Fair enough.

West did come across a fair, a fair whack of New York to. get to me, though, so. Four trades, right? Yeah, yeah. He was probably more out of pocket, but he did get the cards. He got the cards. He did. Awesome. So they are in circulation then, officially now, yeah.

They are. I tell you what's not in circulation, the special edition cards. There's more news to come about those at the moment, but there are going to be super, super special edition cards that are like, you know, you know, when people pull out an autograph card, that's like, you know, all reflective and lovely and stuff, and they're like the ones that are worth millions. Yep. They are not in circulation yet, but they will be soon.

Well, I tell you, I was amazed, we had the Formula One Grand Prix here in Australia, and I was just out of interest every now and then I think of someone, and I think, I wonder what the most expensive item associated with this person is on eBay. Yep. And so Max Vastappen, right, favorite driver. I just thought, I wonder what, like, is it a, you know, is it like a steering wheel or a tire or something? Helmet, I would have thought. That's right, autographed helmet.

but there must be something there for thousands of dollars or something. So just out of interest, I went and looked it up. And I'll tell you, the top 20 most expensive items are all collector cards from Max Verstappen. These gold, unbelievable. I couldn't believe it. Huge industry. I've become a little bit obsessed with it. And I'm borrowing a few ideas I've seen from it.

So stay tuned. Have your cards arrived? I've set them in the post to you, the new cards. Have you got them? Yes. There they are. I see them in your hand. Have you had to look through them?

I have, I've been browsing through them. I've brought, I've got one at home at one at the office, just so I've got, you know, both places covered for bragging rights. It's a big pack. It's hell yeah. It's a massive pack. It's a fat set. It's a fat set of cards. This is like at primary school when you went to the sort of the rich kids house and he had all these, you know, return the Jedi ones and all these extra ones as well.

Yeah. Gosh. Yeah. Heaps of cards. Nice. Nice. I'm glad they made it too. And there's a few surprises in here, too, that I didn't know you were doing, which is, yeah.

No, no. Tim was very morally supportive of this project, but he hasn't had like a guiding hand in the creation of the cards. So all the writing on the back and everything has probably been somewhat of a surprise to him, some of my little write-ups of the books. No, indeed it was. It was. It was. I chose, while you were doing a deep dive in the creation of these cards, I chose to continue having a life. Right. But I can't believe how much work has gone into them. I can't believe how many there are, really. And they're beautiful, actually. They're fantastic.

And there's some real little Easter eggs in there as well, some really cool stuff. There are. There are some surprises. And you wait until you see the special edition cards. They're really amazing. But more about that later. Just before we move on, though, I did make a little audio recording when I was with Wes of the handover of the cards.

I haven't checked that the recording worked yet. So at this point, I'm going to throw to a short audio recording with Wes, Wes, and if you hear some audio now, it means it worked, and if you don't, it means it didn't work. Cue the audio. Let me give you these cards. I was going to give you 10 randomly selected cards, and I still am, but I'm also giving you two hand-picked cards. Because you're a New York man, you live in New York, you work in New York. There are two New York cards in the deck, and I loaded the deck to give you the two. New York cards. So I'm going to give you these first. Tell the people listening at home what what's on the cards. Well, okay, so we have a police department, city of New York card, pretty classic spoon design. And we have a Statue of Liberty design, which is a really themed spoon. Pretty unusual. Is this your first experience of Spoon of the Wheat collector cards?

Yes, it is first time. What do you think of the production there? Oh, it's great. This is a high quality card and there's a back. There's a back. Oh yeah, the back's wet. That's actually, the back's actually the best bit. Yeah, there's a lot here. Extra close-up pictures, details, weights. Yeah, I got the mass, the length, the card number. What card numbers have you got there? I got a 46 and a 31. Okay. That's going to be a lot to collect. I got a long journey ahead of me. There's a hundred. Yeah. Yeah. But I've got good news for you. Here's your other 10. There's 10 more cards for you. Tell people, well, just give us a flavor. You don't have to go into everything. Oh, we got a prune of the week. You've got the prune of the week card. That is.

That's a one-off. That's a special card, that one. What number's that one? That's a 43. Yeah? Wow, that's great. Do you remember when Prune of the Week was on the podcast? No, there's too many.

You can't remember that. Okay. It wasn't memorable for you. No. Adelaide. Oh, you got the Adelaide card? That's card two, I believe, in the deck. Yeah, one.

Yeah. Card two. Yeah. We got a queen. Nope, not a queen. Yeah, it is. Oh, Queen Beatrix. Oh, the Netherlands.

Yeah. I bet when you work up this morning, you didn't think you'd be looking through collector cards, spoons. You've got a fork there as well Got a fork? Oh, this is a misfit, it's a fork. Yeah. That's great.

Wes, thank you for coming in. I hope it was worth your time. Yes, for sure. To come all this way. Yes. Up the island of Manhattan to get your cards. Yep. Stay tuned for more.

Thanks for having me. That's right, mate. No problems. There we go. I'm still not convinced that Wes is what he's going with for his whole life. Wes. Because I guess he calls himself Wesley instead of Wesley.

Wesley. Is that an Australianism to do that? To call people Wes. Wesley Jones that I was at school with in primary school. He's a definite Wes. Yeah. And there's a politician in the UK who's quite high profile at the moment, and he's a Wes as if it sounds like a Z.

So I think it might be more of an Australian English thing, and Americans go more than West. I mean, the West makes more sense in some ways because it is an S. Yeah, but it's just shortening. It doesn't seem right. I remember Wes at my school, he wrote Wezzar on his football. ball. Weza.

Yeah, yeah, like outlined sort of thing. So, W-E-Z-Z-A, Wez-A, Wezah. Oh, okay. Well, I'll get in touch with Wes and ask him how he feels about Wezzar, or Wesse he might go for. I don't know. I do have, I do have. We could check the spelling. I've got several books about John Wesley here, but of course, that doesn't tell us the pronunciation.

I was about to ask her your all-time favorite Wesley or Wesley was. Are you going to go that way? You're going to go the surname and the third. the theologian. No, I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with Wes Jones. I don't know if I should be saying his full name from primary school, but he was the reason, he was the coolest guy in our primary school, right? I'm sure he doesn't mind you saying his surname if you're calling him the coolest guy. Well, in primary school, I have not tracked him since then, but he was, he had a cool mullet and spiky hair on top, and he was the reason that I went and played for the police boys football

club. Okay. I mean, I was a useless footballer. He was like one of the best players and I was one of the worst. But I was just excited to be on the ground, kind of with him and the other guys, you know, so. Love it. Yeah, Wes. He was a cool guy. And I'm going to go with Wesley from the Princess Bride. Right. Oh, my sweet Wesley. He's my favorite. He's my favorite, he's my favorite Weser. There should be a, there should be a version of the Princess Bride, but with Wesley Snipes playing the Wesley character instead. That would have a different feeling to it, wouldn't Oh, yeah, totally. Are there any other famous Wesley's?

John Wesley, Wes, Wesley. It's a nice name. I know, a friend of mine has a son, Wes, who's a great guy, but he goes with Wes, not Wesley. Yeah, okay. Australian, yeah. Well, in case you think we haven't said the name Wesley and Wes enough in this podcast, I will come back to my meeting with Wes, Wes, Wesley, when it's my turn for an idea for a podcast.

This is where we need to go to an hour. by, are you needing plumbing supplies? Wesley, plumbing supplies. It's your, you know, station sponsor. Okay. Should I look at our Patreon supporters and see if there are any more Wesley's on there? Oh, yeah, quick. Okay.

Let me have a look. There's the first one, who's the one I met. He's in New York. There's a patron that lives on a Wesley Road, whose name I won't say. Right. Oh, there's another one. There's another one here. And this Wesley is in Switzerland.

Wow. Hello, Wesley in Switzerland. Let us know if you're a Wes or... First name? Yep, first name. Yep. And that's it. That's it.

Two Wesleyes and one who lives on Wesley Road. I'd like to get us up to five. Five? I think it's time. If you know a Wesley, it's time to... I would like three more Wesleyes to at least have five Wesleyes. There could be five listeners. This is just patrons, because I obviously don't know the names of our listeners,

but I know the names of our patrons. You know, they're on our website, so... I'd tell you. Well, how about this? If we get three, three, the first three Wesley's to sign up as patrons. Yep. Get spoon to the wheat cards. We'll get spoon to the week cards.

All right. There we go. All right. We're on a, we're in a very niche drive here for new patrons called Wesley. Wesley? I just feel like we need to build our Wesley support. That's going to be our core that we build everything else around. It's going to be like that.

Because the good thing is, if we get up, let's say we get to 10, right? let's say we get to 10, then we can survey them for the pronunciation, and I feel like we'd get a definitive answer. If we get 100 of them, that'd be even better. That would be amazing. If we got 100 Wesley's, I think, like, then they would all come. It would become like a meeting place for Wesley's. Like a tipping point.

We could just abandon all other listeners and just cater to Wesley's. They'll send word out on the Wesley wireless. It just goes out around. Can you imagine? The Wesley WhatsApp. Can you imagine meeting your friends like at the pub and saying, oh, yeah, I do this podcast with my my old school friend from Australia. Oh, really?

What's it about? Well, we just basically talk to people called Wesley and like all our audience are Wesley's. And like, it's just kind of, that's just what we do. Oh, yeah. Sounds good. Nice. What if WhatsApp organized it so that everyone with the same name was on the same WhatsApp channel just to chat to one another, like tribes?

So there was literally like a Wesley WhatsApp channel and they just talked. Well, Wesley's just connected. I mean, I'm sure they are psychologically, but, you know. What are we going to do if people who are existing patrons change their name to Wesley? Oh. Like, does that make them eligible for cards? I think, well, there will need to be, firstly, no, that doesn't. Right.

You have to be an authentic Wesley. And. Yeah, since birth. I think they'll be, I think the other Wesleyes will sniff them out and bring them forward as traitors. Yeah. I mean, it could be legitimate. Like, if you identify. as a Wesley, then if it's a life choice, right?

Yeah, yeah. But it's got to be legit. I don't want people just doing it for the free cards. Apart from your name, if you change and become a Wesley, what else in your life changes? Like, what are some hallmarks of Wesley's? Like, if I always think, oh, well, I'm going to now be Wesley. I feel like I'd like to, I need to dress like I remember Wes dressing. Right.

And having my hair a certain way. You know what I mean? Like, I think there's a distinctive Wesness that we're going to have to get to the essence of and find out. It's funny that you have imprinted with the name Wesley being super cool, because I wouldn't have thought of Wesley as a super cool name. You know, I don't think, you know, the one I met in New York was a top bloke. Yeah. But it's never a name that I've thought of as like, oh, yeah, if you called Wesley, you're cool. But you have, and I find that really interesting, that it's like this, that's your imprint. Yeah, yeah. It's like Jason for you, you know,

that kind of, I don't know where you got that from, but you always thought. I never knew a Jason. I never knew a Jason who I thought was cool. You just like the name. I just liked the sound of the name. I liked the J. I just like the, I just like, yeah, the sound of the name, Jason. I think the name that I would think of was cool from childhood would probably be Simon. Simon? There was a Simon in my primary school.

Oh, no. And he was the guy that everyone wanted to be. He was my, he was my Wesley. Simon? Oh, no, I don't see that at all. He was a really fast runner and that was really important. Right. I don't think Simon, there weren't many Simons in Trealgan.

They wouldn't have survived there. Oh, there were loads of Simons. I had Simons all around me going through school. It was a really common name. Right, right. I can't picture one's Simon. Simon for me is someone with glasses, you know, in a library, sort of being, it's all neat, that kind of person.

No, Simon was, it's funny, you know, because I think of Simon as cool. Like, he was the guy at school that all the girls fancied and everything. And, you know, I was just very envious of him. Yeah. But I remember later on, when I first moved to the UK, my first housemate was called Simon. He was just a guy I lived with him.

Nice guy. And I had some American friends come and visit me on a holiday. And I said, I will come back to my place and I'll introduce you to my housemate, Simon. And as soon as I said that, they both just burst out laughing. And I said, what's so funny? Like, why is that funny? And they said to them, the name Simon was such a cliched English name. That to actually meet someone called Simon was hilarious.

I guess it would be like if you're in Australia and I said, oh, this is my mate. Bruce. Yeah, yeah. You'd laugh and think, oh, wow, there is an Australian called Bruce. They were like that with Simon. They couldn't stop laughing, like involuntarily because I was introducing them to a guy called Simon. So there you go.

Classic. Wow, this is cool. Okay, we're going to really hit upon a network here, I think. All right. To find the essence of Wes. Cool. Operation Wesley. Ideas for a podcast.

Who's going first? If you've got one, like, I've got a bit of a process of discernment with mine. Well, now I've said that. I may as well launch into it, right? I've, I've gone, you know, we keep our lists on our notes app on the, on the phone. And for some reason, my notes have gone a bit skewif and more recent notes have disappeared. And the most recent list of podcast ideas and my notes is from 2018. So, basically, I've found one here with, oh, what's it got?

It's got like a dozen ideas. a bunch of which we've done from 2018 and the rest aren't very good. But I'm going to try and choose one. Or do you want me to list through them and you tell them, tell me which one I should do? I don't know. It's not for me to choose, but I'm curious to get a little taste. Okay, so the one I'm thinking of going with, actually I'll start at the bottom, lie detector, which we did, we finally did that last time.

Recently, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. ridiculous merchandise. So small, trivial tokens, Sonia Dada, for some reason I've mentioned the band. I know why, because I picked up their Coke bottle at their concert at the beach. I was a kid, I think. I mean, I think we've cornered the market for ridiculous merchandise as a podcast. Yes, you've basically made that your vocation.

That's right. Inside buildings, so Royal Albert Hall. So this must have been, you know, when I came over and we went through the Royal Albert Hall together and had a look around. My favorite things, world record podcast. I've got something here that just says time. Nice. I've got, maybe I was just marking time, literally.

Michael Bolton, we ended up doing some stuff on Michael Bolton. I've got the line here, a long obedience in the same direction, which is a book by Eugene Peterson that Bono loves and that I love that's on my on my shelf here. And then here's the one, the last one, that I think I'll go with, but I'm just can't remember if we did it. And it's words I hate, words I hate. And then I've got one, two, three, four, five words here that I hate. Oh, that's interesting. Because obviously I did an idea reasonably recently, which was the wrong word. Yeah. There were words I thought were wrong. But have we done words I hate? Well, this is... I don't know. Did we do it when we did one about like,

because a lot of people don't like the word moist. Oh, yeah. I think we discussed that. I can't remember. Let me look at the spreadsheet. Of course you didn't check the spreadsheet, did you? No. No, of course you didn't.

Let me see. These aren't really words actually come on. One of them is a word, but most of them are a term. You know, like they're two words together. Some of them with a hyphen, some of them without. Let me just have a little search of the spreadsheet that is kept for us. by the owl. You search words and all the words.

Yeah, they get 44 results. Also, because we've done so many secret words, it comes up all the time in the notes. Look, I don't know, even if we've done it before, who cares? A lot of people listening are probably new to the podcast anyway. Talk to me about your idea. Well, I think I can figure out what this idea is kind of. Well, it is. It's five words that I hear in day-to-day life that I can't stand, or terms, really, phrases.

Oh, so it's not because they're like ugly words or words you don't like the sound of. It's more, okay, you just don't like the way they're used. Okay, go on then. Yeah, that's right. That's right. This one I think I have mentioned before in conversation, if not other ties. And that's the word man cave. I hate the word man cave.

Yes. So we'll move on. I love Nick Cave. I can't stand man cave. Yeah. Okay, okay. Next one, lean in. Okay.

Like people talk about, you know, this concept of how they're engaging with a particular conversation, or if you're a person, you need to lean into this issue. Leaning in, it's usually in the context of doubling down as well. Like, you know, I'm really going to, you know, everyone thinks I like playing crashers, so I'm going to really lean into it and start playing crash collector cards. That's right. Oh, gosh. It's, oh, people. Just make a note to that. Playing crash collector cards.

Okay, yep. What we say? Yeah, come on, people. We'll lean in is over. Okay. Next one, over. I can't stand with it. People say something is over.

Okay. Okay. Next word. Over. I can't stand it when people say over. Over is it? It's over or I'm over it. Yeah, yeah, it's over.

That thing is over. Like, hello, over. Takeaways. Takeaways. Not takeaway food, but hey, people, what are the takeaways from this meeting that we need to action? It sounds like a lot of these are corporate, corporate speak type things, which we have obviously talked about before and our, when we wrote our mission statement. But they appear in, I think probably the problem is that a lot of these things that are for, like, LinkedIn profiles and words and phrases and posts, they're in normal life now. They get used around the church, around the house, around, you know, ordinary conversation.

I mean, the other day, I saw a fish and chip shop with takeaways over the top. I mean, that's just taking it too far. They're really leaning in those guys. And the last one is in this space. Right. Man, I can't tell you. I can't tell Amy Thompson in a meeting and someone will go, well, you know, we need three or four people to do some work in this space. Yep.

We're not on this topic or in this field of inquiry or, you know what I mean? It's in this space. and yeah, yeah, I'm done. I'm done with that. I can't stand it. My ears are burning. I do feel there are more corporate ones. They feel more like terms you would hear in more of a work environment,

which doesn't mean you're not allowed to dislike them. They're good examples. But I can't imagine like you're having a coffee with someone after church and some 70-year-old lady saying, you know, I want to see us doing more in the charity space, you know. In the charity space. Well, you do hear, well, A, maybe having coffee with someone who's 35 and they do say that.

Or like it does. Would they in a non-work context? Probably not in a non-work context. But it kind of blurs when you're in a church or in a volunteer world, church-based world, you know what I mean? Like the corporate blurs because you've got teams and organization and things happening all the time and projects. Yeah.

So there's a little bit of blurring of those worlds that come together. Well, certainly they do for me. But. Fair enough. Fair enough. I think that's probably the, it's the, it's the, it's the, it's the, permeation of organizational culture in and language and frameworks, even words like frameworks. Framework, definitely. Into the rest of life, which should be poetry, man. It should be

poetry. Yeah. I've talked about, one I've talked about in the past, a word that I don't like. And it is the workspace, but it definitely has permeated, is content. I don't like it when, and I know it, and you can't avoid it, and I even sometimes use it myself now, because it has just become the word. But like when what I make, you know, my videos, podcasts, whatever it is I happen to make is just referred to as content. I feel like it just means it's like, it becomes like inventory. It just becomes something that is sitting on a shelf. It's a widget. Yeah. That exists, that exists to make money or be sold or be, have advertising sold against it or just to like, you know, I don't know, it just feels yucky calling it content. It just feels

like it's soulless and it's just something I'm churning out like sausages. Oh, yes, I've made some content this week. No, I didn't. I spoke to my great mate and we joked around. And then I learned something really amazing about mathematics and numbers. And I created a film about it to share it with the world. Like, I don't know that sounds self-important, but and perhaps wrongly so. But then just labeling that, oh, yeah, that's content that I made this week.

It pisses me off. I'll tell you, no producer like went into the studio with Bob Dylan and said, you know, how many songs you got? And he's going, well, I've got six. And he goes, well, we need more content than that, mate. Like, four more contents, you know, like it's just. Well, maybe they did.

Maybe the record company was like that and probably was like that. But it's become such a common thing now, you know. You know, and people, you know, people like me are called content creators. The creators bit is good. The content is, it's content's just something put in a jar. Even creators, I find a little bit jarring. And that is what people who do my job are called generically. Like if we go to a YouTube conference, you know, I'm one of the creators.

Yeah. But I don't like that term either. It reminds me a little bit. It's like calling people who appear on screen or on microphone, the talent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't like, I don't like that. And I think being called a creator is a bit like being called the talent. And I don't, you know, it's jazz with me.

It's objectifying. That's what it is. It's like, oh, you're a thing. be used in this moment and then moved aside. It's kind of, yeah. I think because also Spotify has that Spotify for creators and it's just, it's turning it into something that's just being churned out. Creatives is a different word.

Do you see yourself as a creative? I don't like that either. I don't like creatives either when that's used a lot more in the advertising industry. Oh, yeah, it does. Yeah, that's right. To differentiate between people who create the content and people who are like, you know, making the money and doing the deals and stuff. But yeah, a lot of that stuff I don't like.

I also don't like the term broadcaster when someone describes himself as a broadcaster. Because basically that just means, oh, yeah, I'll do anything as long as I can be on TV or radio or have my stuff being put out there. Like, I don't know. I don't like that term either. I do like, I prefer the name broadcaster because it feels old-worldy. Like I can just imagine, you know, a gentleman with, you know, spectacles and a suit and so forth who comes on and says, well, you know, good evening Britain.

This is, Winston Churchill died today, you know, like this old-fashioned kind of. It does come, because it's an older term, it does carry a little bit of that gravitas with it. It just kind of rubs me up the wrong way, and I'm just a grumpy old man, so just ignore me. Oh, grumpy old man, I think,'s being corporatized as well, man. It's just being used everywhere, and not everyone's a grumpy old man. You're a grumpy old man in a particular way. Yeah. Shouldn't be commodified.

Oh, and here's another one. speaking of terms you don't like that get overused. Dad bod. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that whole, yeah. I just feel objectified by that too. It's just lazy. All these terms, the thing we don't like about them is they're lazy because they get overused.

And terms can get overused so much more now because there's so much more content being created. There is, that's right. So many more words. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I blame, funnily enough, I think newspapers pump out a lot of this. don't they? Sub-editors, a lot of them are headlines and that shorthand, you know, colloquialism, creating new colloquialisms that just get overused and become cliches.

Yeah. All right. If anything, people, lean out. Lean out from these words. Yeah. Lean back. Tell us words and terms you do not like. Get in touch with this in all the usual ways, email, Reddit, all that stuff.

And tell us something that you don't like and maybe we'll share some. If you share enough with us, we'll, we'll, do a little recap next episode maybe. We love hearing your stuff because you always come up with better ideas than we do. So in terms of a podcast idea, right? I mean, this podcast would be different people coming on with maybe five words that they can't stand and why. It's a brief little podcast, isn't it? Man, you don't even have to explain the podcast. This was just an excuse for us to whinge about words we don't like. No, no. No, I think I'm going to make this podcast. This is going to be a podcast I make. I look forward to hearing it. Well, I think things I hate is certainly got

traction. Who doesn't like going on about things I hate? I've got a couple of podcast ideas that I've got a few lists to share with you of things that annoy me, that aren't words, they're just other things, but that come under different umbrellas. But I'm saving them for another day. I've got a few things. I've got stuff to get off my chest, man. Don't you worry? Look, can I, can I say one? Because it was, it's been on my mind and I'll forget it otherwise. and if I put it on my notes app, it will just disappear into the ether. Okay. All right, go on.

So this is just you whinging about something. This is not a word or anything. This is just me winch. This has nothing to do with anything. Go on. Quick winch. Go on. I love walking the dog.

Brooklyn and I go for a walk. Things I hate. The short conversation I'm obliged to have with other people who have a dog walking in the opposite direction when our dogs have a little chat. I would have thought you'd like that. You're a social guy. Oh, yeah. No, but not all the time.

Like, I can't, generally I've got a song or something on in my, see, you feel like you have to, hey, and I sort of try and get Brooklyn, no, keep going, just keep going. But if there's like a smile, stop chat, of course, I will. I guess, do you know what it is, though? I've been thinking about it for the rest of the walk yesterday. It's that I feel like the other person has, feels a right to know something about me and the dog. Like, what is his age? Who is he? Oh, do you do this? Does this happen? And they feel like they always come in with a tone of being a more experienced dog person, as if I'm here for the dog thing rather than just a walk. You know what I mean? Like, you've obviously forgotten what it was like to be the parent of a three-year-old. That's my whole life. That's right. All they do is sit and talk to people. They don't know at like tennis lessons and things like that. But that gets you through it.

I tell you what, though, you've hit on an idea for a podcast here, annoying interruptions. Oh, yeah. I'll tell you, podcast ads are an obvious one, but let's not, let's be careful about throwing stones. Yeah. But another annoying interruption that I don't like, particularly when I'm wearing headphones, are public announcements on planes. Yes, totally. Take it easy.

Like, you know, this is me at the flight deck and, you know, I don't really need to hear from you at the flight deck, really. No, no, no. Maybe to remind me how long the flight is, but that's about all. But I can look that up on a screen. But more annoying is when they then sell stuff, we're going to come down the aisle with the duty-free now. It's like, oh, no, just let's dial back announcements on planes. Dial them right back. Totally, yeah.

Yeah, no, I agree. Yeah, particularly how casual the pilot is. Well, like we're settling down with a drink together for a chat. Yeah, you know, yeah. We're cruising speed of, and I'm like, what, what, I'm now looking up from my thing waiting for you. to finish so I can keep watching. Or taking my headphones out because I think it's something important. Like, you know, we've been delayed or something.

Yeah. If it's like they should, they should only be allowed to use those things if it's really important. Yeah. That's right. I'm sure there's been some testing done in psychology about calming passengers and it's good to hear from the pilot. Yeah, knowing a person's there and all that kind of stuff. That's right.

But it's more annoying because the pilot does this thing or her thing. And that's okay. I'm your pilot, you know, and, you know, I'm, I'm Mr. Cool and suave. And then they like say, I won't speak to you again until we get to the other end. I'm like, oh, thank God for that. And they like click off. And then two seconds later, the flight attendant follows up saying, and I'm the head of the cabin crew here.

And this is like, oh, another one, another message. Come on. Come on. And if they've got a dog and this is my little dog and what's your little dog and what's its name? And he's coming down the aisle down to meet your dog. And we're going to chat and how old is he? And particularly when my dog jumps up. And so they're like, oh, how old, like he's a little kid.

And it's like, oh, no, he's like five. And they always look like, oh, oh, hello. Obedience issues there. Clearly not, you know. And they've got that kind of, because dog, like cats are arrogant and cynical, but dog owners are arrogant. They always know best. This is what you should say, man.

You should say, look, if I wanted an obedient, sane dog that behaved itself, I would not have bought this breed. Well, that's right. Well, that sounds like I deliberately did what I. I was doing. That was me, that was me being rude. I feel like we need to, your idea better balance up some positive stuff, man, because you've led me down a very negative path here.

I think mine is not negative. I think you will like it. It is not negative and wingy. Mine is interesting. But first of all, let us have a little interlude. Now, I've prepared a moon of the week this week. Yes. Tim has brought a spoon along for a spoon of the week.

And I said, well, can I do a moon? Tim's like, well, I have got a spoon. And like, I don't know, Tim suggested we toss a coin to decide whether we do a spoon of the week or a moon of the week. We can do that. We can do that. I'm trying to think if we could do both and somehow retrospectively only include one. But we can't do that, can we? Oh, the other one could be for Patreon supporters, bonus content.

Okay, okay. So one of them's here and the other one goes over there. Yeah. Yeah. Because we've got to keep the Wesley Suite over at Patreon. The Wesley Sweat. The only trouble, if it's the moon of the week that goes as bonus content, we may lose patron supporters, though. All right.

Okay, well, let's toss a coin to see which one goes on the main show and which one goes on the thing. Would you believe I haven't got a coin? I can flip. I tell you, I tell you, why don't you flip one of the Tim Hine or Brady Haren medals? Heads or tails on one of those. Have you got there? All right. Yeah, I'll go and get one.

All right. I've got one here, but you use yours if it's right there. Got to use these medals for something, don't we? Okay. I've got a Tim Hine medal. Yep. That's a head. That's a head.

Your head. Yes. And the tail, the tail is the unmade podcast logo, another area where names get engraved. Yep. Okay. Yeah, yeah, that sounds logical. And what we call it, if it's your head, if it's the Tim Hine head, I guess we do the spoon of the week because that's your thing.

Yeah, yeah. And if it's, I'm going to catch it and then flip it onto the back of my hand. That's the technique I'm going to use. Even though my head looks more like a moon, that's the spoon one. That's right. Here we go. I'm going to catch it and then flip it onto the back of my hand. I'm doing it on camera, so it's witnessable.

Yep. The back of my hand, it is. It's your head. It's my head. There we go. Spoon of the week. Woo-hoo. Cue the jingle, Spoon of the week. Spoon! This is a spoon from the now recently closed restaurant, the Kuku in Olinda, in the hills, the foothills around Melbourne. This is a German restaurant, a very sort of distinctive, you know, ye oldie German.

restaurant called the cuckoo. And it was kind of legendary in our family because mum and dad came across it by mistake. They were driving home from some wedding or event or something in Melbourne. And I wasn't with them, but they stopped in for dinner at this place and walked in. And for dad, it was like, oh my goodness. You know, it was just so European, you know, with like German stuff everywhere. You can just picture it, you know, the brown beams. And of course, your dad being Dutch, has an affinity for such things. That's right. But leading towards Berlin, as we've talked about before.

And he, yeah, it was just a wonderful place with German food and snitzels and beer and all that kind of stuff. Love a schnitzel. Love a sausage. So they love this place called the Cuckoo. And I remember they got a photo at their desk, at their table sitting there, enjoying their meal. And that ended up in a little frame sitting on my. organ. So my memory of childhood practicing the organ every night and every morning is looking at,

you know, the music book and right next to the music book is mum and dad at the cuckoo. Like that was just there for years and years and years. And I can see it now in my mind's eye. And the restaurant was sufficiently iconic that it had its own spoons. Yeah, yeah. It was like a tourist attraction. A bit like going to Harnedorf in Adelaide, right? Yeah, yeah. It's just like, oh, let's go to the cuckoo. And it's quite a large place. quite a large big beer barn sort of place. Like a beer hole almost, like those beer, you know, those beer holes in Germany. Yeah, yeah, but much more, it's much more about the food here than, you know, being a pub.

Yeah, it was really about, really, as a restaurant. And I went there several times and took mum and dad again, you know, with, you know, my wife and that kind of stuff when they visited Melbourne. And that was like, oh, my goodness, yes, we remember here? And my, my mom, of course, do you remember Tim that we came here when I was? And I was like, yes, Mom, I wasn't with you, but remember the photo and it's all. there. Yeah, yeah. So.

Have you still got the photo? Mum would. It would be in one of her, um, I'll drop her text. Photo albums and so forth. Let's get it. Let's get it if we can. She loves nothing more than a text from Brady saying, can you look through the photo albums and find this for me?

Like she loves that. So she'll be. I like to think of her just waiting by the window for the bat signal and that text from Brady so she can look up more photos. That's right. That's right. Then she texts me. Brady's asked me to do this thing.

Why did it close down? What happened? Why is it closed? I guess maybe the owner went broke and the family sold it or it lost money. I don't know. It does feel like a kind of another worldy kind of place that's not around us much anymore. But I quite like it. Coming though to the spoon.

Right. The spoon's really beautiful. It's quite ornate, Germanic. It is an older spoon, I can tell. I can't quite make out the insignia on the back, but it doesn't look local. Like it looks like he's got these from Europe or something somewhere. Yeah. It's quite faded and it's got a coloured picture of, if you can close your mind's eye and imagine like a German building, you know what I mean, with the sort of the Tudor white with the brown beams and the thatched kind of roof with some trees around it.

You know, it's got that whole look. Can you close your mind's eye? Did I say close your minds eye? I know what you are. Okay, let me wind that back and say, close your eyes and open your eyes and open. Open your mind's eye. That's right. Okay, right.

Okay. Yeah. Sorry, most of the time I've got my eyes open and my mind's eye close. All right. It's a beautiful spoon. It's a great spoon. And I can see it one day ending up on a spoon of the week card. For sure. For sure.

Well, that's the dream for all spoons to end up on one of those cards. But I don't know if we'll ever be expanding the collection again. We probably will. We probably will. There we go. Let's move on. We will do Moon of the Week over as bonus content for Patreon supporters, but six Patreon supporters right now are about to receive some Spoon of the Week collector cards.

I have got a marble race set up in the other room. I've done the races. They're all done. So there will be winners coming from that. But I haven't finished it in time. So I've gone back to the old computer algorithm to choose six winners. These six people are going to get Spoon of the Week collector cards in the post. The first three were chosen using a weighted algorithm, which favours longer term and more generous supporters and things like that, but everyone's in the running.

And those winners are Gordon from Toronto. What a name Gordon. That's a very formal name, isn't it? Gordon's done well lately. I've seen his name pop up a few times for prizes and things, so Patreon's treating him well. Sting's name's Gordon, you know? That's Sting's real name, yeah. And I'm sure we've discussed it before when his name has come up.

It's Gordon Sumner, isn't it? Nathan from Washington, D.C. And Evan from California. Evan T. from California. West and East Coast represent. Yeah, yeah, all North American. And these three winners are chosen totally at random, regardless of level of support.

Everyone's equal chance. Stefan from the Netherlands. Stefan R. In case we've got multiple supporters in the Netherlands. Erica from Somerset in New Jersey. I was just in New Jersey last week. Hello, Erica, and Tor from Trondheim in Norway. You are also going to receive cards in the post.

Congratulations, Gordon, Nathan, Evan, Stefan, Erica and Tor, and thank you for being Patreon supporters. Legends. No Wesley's this week. No Wesley's. That will change. In the future, these will all be going to Wesleyes. I wonder how many Wesleys there are in the whole world.

Oh, man, I want to know that. Let's ask the evil, evil AI. Do you reckon we can trust how many people called Wesley? No, of course we can't. But I'll be interested to hear what it says in the world. How many people in the world have the first name Wesley? What's your guess? What do you think chat is going to say?

Okay, so let's think. There was one kid in my primary school class. Okay, one. We've got three patron supporters, so that's four. No, two. Two, is it? Okay, well, that's only three then. So we're on three, yeah.

There was who are alive now or in history, man. What do you reckon? Well, it says here there isn't a single exact count for the whole world, but we can estimate using available name distribution databases. It says here, data compiled from the international name records suggest there are roughly 400 to 500,000 people in the world with the first name, Wesley. I was going to guess about 100,000. A million feels too much, but yeah, half a million. Wow, that's incredible. Let's talk about my idea for a podcast.

Go for it, man. When I emailed the now famous Wesleywright, and I said, I'm in New York, do you want to come and meet and get some cards? He said yes, right? Right. But then he sent me an email saying, I'm hoping this is Brady and not a horrible scam, by the way, which is a fair point. Yeah.

And I replied to him, I said, it is indeed Brady. You raise a good point, though. If you could ask me one question to prove I am me via email, what would it be? It has to be text, and I'm not going to send any photos. I put the onus on him to ask me a question, right? Right, yeah. So he replied, okay, what do you think of Tommy Bowl not being in the Winter Olympics? Right.

That was how he detested me. I replied, and I said, that is a ridiculous suggestion. At best, I think the Olympics should be the halftime entertainment at Tommy Bowl games. Right, yes. Very amusing. There's two sides to that. One is, okay, that probably confirms it's you, Brady. but I do feel like I feel like AI may have come up with that answer.

I feel like that's something. Man, man, man, man. Maybe. Maybe. He decided not. We are coming to my idea for a podcast, man. Okay. This is where my idea for a podcast is coming from.

Okay. For him that was enough, he said only Brady would reply like that. Yeah. He came and he met me. My idea for a podcast is called Is It Really You? And the idea is to create these scenarios where you have to guess whether a person you can't see who can only reply via text is the person they say they are. Very good. Now, Tim, I don't know if you, you've probably heard of something called a Turing test.

A lot of people will have heard of a Turing test. I have heard of the Turing test, but I can't remember what it is now. It was proposed by Alan Turing. A computer system or a computer has truly become intelligent where having a text conversation with it, you couldn't discern if it was a huge. human or a computer. Right. And this is kind of what you touched on with AI. So, you know, if you're just text writing to something at the other end,

can you tell if it's a human or not? So my podcast idea is a little bit like that, but not. The idea is to have a guest and someone the guest knows, and they have to figure out whether, you know, by asking questions and having the replies only in text form, say, say I said to you, Tim, I've got your mum on the other end of the phone. Yep. Or your mum's here with me.

Or is she? Is it just me being clever? Have I got an AI that I said answer a bunch of questions? like, you know, the mother of this person and, you know, fed it some information and that. So the idea is you have to then figure it out and you have to ask questions to figure it out. And I think you would have to have some rules. Yeah. At least for the start of this game or podcast.

For example, it couldn't just, you couldn't just ask it obscure, factual stuff that can't be found on the internet. Like, obviously you could say, what was the first street we lived in, you know, and that probably doesn't exist on the internet anywhere. So you could straight away figure it out doing that. So I think we have to preclude those kind of factual questions. They have to be general, very general questions. And you could put rules on it. But I think this would be a fun listen.

There's obviously going to be a bit of a lag with the putting of the question and getting the answer because it either has to be put to your mum or it has to be put to the AI or I have to have time to make up the answer. But we could get around that with editing and a few clever tricks and things like that. But if we did this, I think this could be an interesting listen. So clarify for me, I thought the whole point of the Turing test is to be specific, but you're saying you can't be too specific because it'll be too easy. So what's a general question then?

Say you asked the person at the other end here, how do you feel about sunny days and beautiful weather? Right. And then I put a reply to you and you have to say, is that my mum? Is that my mum saying that? Or is that like, I would, you'd just hear the reply in text form. Yeah. Is that how my mum would say it? Or is that someone impersonating my mum?

And in many ways, I think, you know, someone like me who knows your mum might do a better job than the AI. I wouldn't necessarily use AI. So I'm not proposing necessarily cheering tests. Okay, okay. But I just think it would be fun. I think it would be fun. Is Cadence right, the right word? What's the right word?

Oh, would she have said it that way? Would she have phrased it that way as well as what answer did she do? vocabulary? Which word she chose? Yeah, okay. Yeah, vocabulary is a, yeah, yeah. So I think that would be often be a giveaway, but also just attitudes to things. What do you think of the prime minister?

Right, sure. Yeah, so what she says, yeah, does that ring through? Yeah. Yeah. There would have to be certain rules, though, because for example, if the per, if you, well, I guess, you know, if you knew for a fact that your mum went to school with the prime minister, right? didn't like him. You could circumvent my test, couldn't you really easily because the answer was something that, you know, no one knew except you and her. So we have to have some rules like that,

but I think as the game goes along, you can start getting more specific. Would it work better if the person wasn't as close as your mother? Yes, it probably would. Maybe even someone you don't know personally. Like, Tim, just out of shot right now, there's either no one or there's Tom Hanks. Right. Ask me 10 questions. And let's see. You're right, that would actually be more fun in many ways. Yeah.

I think the thing that makes it fun if it's your mum or a good friend is as the game goes along, you can start asking really funny, specific questions. Like, you know, what happened in the toilet when I was five years old and ate too many baked beans and stuff like that? You could start getting funnier as it went along. But you're right, having it as a total stranger from the start could also be quite compelling. It's a way of finding, because you're kind of joining with the audience. is they're trying to work it out as well.

You don't have special knowledge. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. That's true.

That's true. Yeah. What kind of questions are you going to ask Tom Hanks to figure it if it's really him? Because you don't know him. You don't know personal information about him that's not available to everyone else on the internet. I tell you, this is a pretty good idea because I think I've not watched this show, but I understand how it works. This is kind of like a text version or a prose version of the Masked Singer. Do you know that reality?

show The Masked Sinner? I do. I do know it, yeah. And this is kind of like that. You're trying to get at, but not through their singing voice, through their actual answers, without listening to their voice. This is a different way of coming at that, actually, and finding your way in. This could really work.

I think this is an interesting idea. It could work. It could be fun. It could be fun. If you were texting right now and you suddenly on your phone and you suddenly thought, hang on, has someone stolen Brady's phone? I'm not sure this is Brady. What's something you would ask to find out if it was me?

What was our nickname for your sneakers in 1994? Yeah. You'd have to hope it wasn't stuff we talked about on, like, the podcast. But yeah, that's a good one. There's a lot out there. Anything else? Are you going to tell people what that is? People are going to be wondering.

I had a pair of Fieler brand sneakers that were quite large. I really liked them. Tim thought they were a bit oversized. He called them the moon boots. I just remember us camping and you calling up way up a hill somewhere. I was near the gate to get out of this paddock with a car. And I just remember you calling up loud, are my moon boots in the car? Just thinking what a great sentence that is.

Something that Buzz Aldrin, you know, are my moon boots? worked in the shuttle. That's right. That's great. So that would be one. How is your magic card trick done? It could be an opportunity to extract some answers that I really want. But I could lie, you know, but you need to, you know, you need to nail it down as me. So I need to verify. That's right. That's not going to help you. Yeah. Yeah. There are, there are things about school friends that you could go into, you know, more specifically that we haven't gone into. I was thinking, I was thinking one I could ask you. Do you want one for me to ask you? Yeah, go.

Although, this is funny, actually, because my question was going to be, which girl were you falling around with in the car park at Magic Mountain when the police knocked on the window and told you to knock it off? I don't remember the police coming. But I can't remember. I can't remember which, but I can't remember which girl it was. I've narrowed it down to two, but I can't remember. I can remember the girl I was kissing, but I do not, I do not remember the police coming. Did that happen?

Did they come and knock? I think so. Oh, that's coming back. Oh, that's, oh, golly, gosh. That's triggering. Well, that one's, yeah. I wonder what the computer would answer to that. But this is why it can't be factual things.

Just to let people know, Magic Mountain was just like a family fun area. Like arcade. Well, it wasn't family fun that night. Was family fun. Oh, dear. You're going to have to decide how much I edit that. Yeah, that's her name. Yes, that's who I thought it was.

I wasn't sure if it was her or... No, no. There weren't that many girls, for goodness sake. Well, that's only two. The police had a tail on you. It was so great. It's right of your ears again. Oh, dear.

I don't remember the police coming, but that does ring a bell. Anyway, sorry. Maybe I got that wrong. I don't know. Yeah. All right. Well, anyway, that's definitely Tim then. I've confirmed that.

Yeah, definitely. Even though the video is quite blurry because of our poor internet connection, I'm sure it's you. Fair enough. Oh, good stuff. Nice idea. I think this has real promise as a clever kind of, you know, like a BBC weekly quiz and now it's time for our sort of, you know, I think it could really work with that kind of podcast radio regular show. But you can see because of like the two things we've talked about here, you know, it is, there is something funnier about it when it's two friends, like who have these like really specific news stories. Yeah, yeah.

There is something quite funny about it, like, rather than it being like a stranger and is the stranger really here. There is something funny about like these, like, obscure questions because, because sometimes you can't remember the answer. Yeah. That's funny as well. Yeah, yeah, that's right. And you remember things differently. I'm trying to think about whether you could have that as a wild card kind of personal question. But if they're at the end, you know, like as that's like the, but something only you.

you guys would both know. I think the rules would have to change as the quiz goes on. Like the first three questions, you know, can't involve names or places or something. Like, you have different categories as you go along. Like, but I don't, I haven't, I haven't quite nutted it out yet, but there's something there. There's something there. And what's it called, man? What did I say?

Is it really you? Hmm, okay. That's not the best name. No. That needs some work. You could call it the imitation game, like, because that's about touring. and it's kind of like, is this person really there more imitating? Yeah, yeah, nah, not bad, not bad.

Shall we move on? Shall we move on to record other things, request room and bonus content for patrons? Let's head to the Wesley Suite for the request room. I'm forward to seeing you there with all our Wesley's. The request womb with Wesley. Request room with Wesley, nice, love it. Let's do it.

Let's go there. Come along, people, if you're a Patreon supporter or become one, and you can come and listen to all the other rabbiting on, if this has not been enough. Maybe we'll go a little bit deeper into that car park story, who knows. And, of course, there is a moon of the week coming as well. There is a moon of the week. There is a moon of the week over at Patreon as well.

Waiting for you there, Wesley.