The Unmade Podcast - 179: Two Good Ideas (yes TWO!)

Episode Date: May 20, 2026

Tim and Brady pitch not one, but two good ideas for podcasts. Plus they discuss a bunch of other stuff and award more medals.This week’s Request Room is at - https://www.patreon.com/posts/158809338Support us on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFMJoin the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/Unmade_Podcast/Catch the podcast on YouTube where we often include accompanying videos and pictures - https://www.youtube.com/@unmadepodcastUSEFUL LINKSPictures associated with this episode (including the medal winners) - https://www.unmade.fm/episode-179-picturesBrad Gushue - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_GushueChicago Cubs winning the World Series 2016 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOp8w2PgHlM

This is the first podcast we've recorded with you as a 50-year-old, Tim. How is the transition? Well, it still feels pretty good. I'm asking as someone who's still a 40-something. I know. This is sort of a multi-generational podcast now, isn't it really? It's where sort of an older and a younger one, sort of like a Yoda Luke Skywalker kind of situation, I think. Yeah. Yoda, yeah.

That makes me Luke Skywalker. Yeah, I'm very happy with that. Yeah, you should be very happy. In a moment, I'm just going to, like, close my eyes and die. because of the conversation. That's when we get to moon of the week. That's right. That's right. Yes, very good. Yeah.

Look, it does. You know, you're supposed to say, oh, well, you know, it doesn't mean anything. But I have to say, unlike many other years, I do feel different. I feel a bit older. I feel like I'm 50 rather than in my 40s somewhere. So, yeah. But it's a good feeling. It's a wise feeling, like an elder.

You feel wise. Let me ask you this. How are things going with my boot? birthday present, your 50th birthday present that I got for you. Oh, yes, yes, indeed. It's a wonderful, wonderful present. Well, of course, Brady couldn't resist or move past getting me some Lego. But very specially, if ever there was a Lego that I was going to get a Lego set, it was going to be a beautiful typewriter. But I can't wait to finish because it's an amazing Lego. This is set 21327, the ideas typewriter. It's a magnificent set.

You sent me a picture a week or two ago that you'd started building it. Is it, what stage is it at? No, no, we had a wonderful blitz on a Saturday night. It was really fantastic. But then we've just had things on. We haven't been able to sit down and do it properly. This is me and my oldest daughter. We're the ones who have been commissioned to do this.

Yeah, we haven't been able. It is kind of a special time. You know, it's not something you just like run and do quickly. You do actually want to sit down together, put some music on and build. And I really am looking forward to doing that. Can I say when you sent me that picture of all the bags ripped open and you building it, I did die a little bit inside. Why?

It's your present, right? And it's yours to do what you want with and that you and your daughter are together getting joy from building it makes me very happy. Yeah. But like, this is a discontinued set. It's a collector's item. I had to pay way over the odds on the grey market to get it. Are you serious? Yeah.

Well, I thought I kind of hinted at this when I gave it to you. this is like a special thing. I imagined the box going on display as this amazing thing. But no, like a 10-year-old, you've ripped it open, started building it. And like, it made me a little bit sad. But anyway, like I would have thought it would be the opposite. Like, you would have been hurt if I never got around to building it after you bought it. No, no.

I just think it looks really great. Well, there's a picture of it. Yeah, okay, look, look, this is a difference between you and me. But for me, this is like I got you a football signed by Messi and Ronaldo, and the next day you sent me a picture of you kicking it around in Victoria Park. Or I got you the inverted Jenny stamp and then you mailed a letter with it. Yeah. Brewster's million style.

Like, this is how it felt to me. It's like, oh, this precious, precious thing. Oh, you should have impressed that upon me. You should have said, look, whatever you do, don't open it. This is, you know, something to be kept as it is. No, it's yours. It's no. I would have respected it.

No, no, that's not. That's not for me to say. How am I supposed to type letters with it if I don't build it? Well, did you at least keep the box in good, Nick? Yes, I have still got the box, so we can keep that. But however, I'm still, even after you having said that, I'm not regretting it because I'm really enjoying putting it together with my daughter. And it's looking really cool.

Like it's a really great, beautiful green, great-looking piece. All right, well, you know it cost $8,000. It didn't cost $8,000. It, um, I might have regretted it then by not selling it to someone. Which, would that really disappoint you if you suddenly saw, oh, Tim didn't unbox it, however, he did put it on eBay and resold it. That would disappoint me more, to be fair. Fair enough, too, yeah. Yeah.

Can I say, I think they've spent more time than they needed to designing the inner working of the typewriter because we have spent a lot of time under the bonnet and had to backtrack quite a few times, I tell you. That's what these sets are like. The innards get really complicated, then you cover them all up later. Sometimes in ways that you don't easily get to look at it again. But that's part of, but you know, you know what's in there. I know what's in there.

That's right. It's like an iPhone. You know, we know what's in there. It's got to be beautiful, as Steve Jobs said. And it works too. Like, it doesn't work like a typewriter, but certainly there are moving parts and it's very logical and it's quite clever and yeah, yeah. I'm impressed so far, I have to say. Do you consider it a toy? Yes, it's a toy. It's a toy. It's a toy. Yeah, I do consider it a toy,

but in the, it's a, you know, it's like a, it's a building, it's a very constructive, it's a good toy, you know what I mean? It's not one of those sort of damaging toys, like a gun or something or that my parents would have considered. It's like a, you know what I mean? A good boy toy, constructive thing, yeah. Okay, let's move on before you hurt me anymore. I still think it should be sitting in its box on a shelf behind you, but that's just me. Let's move on to Wesley News. We have Breaking Wesley News, man. You know we love the name Wesley. Massive. Massive. It's a big, big part of our life now, and anything involving Wesley's is very important to us. And it is possible. I don't think it's likely, but it's definitely very possible that,

we could have a Wesley or a Wes, and I'm deliberately saying Wes and not Wes, because this person does call himself Wes, we could have a Wes as Prime Minister of the UK. Yes. Because there's a lot of, there's a lot of machinations going on at the moment, people trying to depose the current Prime Minister, who's a guy called Keistama, and one of the leading candidates, well, some people say he's a second-tier candidate, but he's certainly in the running is a guy called Wes Streeting. Wesley Streeting,

Wes Streeting. He goes by Wes, and he's thrown his hat in the ring. I see on Polly Market at the time of recording, he's got a 6 to 7% chance of winning, they say, of taking the job. Oh, okay. That's a bit lower than I thought,

because he went out early, didn't he? Yeah. But he was the minister in the government and he resigned and he said he's interested. But there are a couple of other big name candidates. And of course, there's a possibility that no one takes the job from Kirsteim. as well, which people seem to forget.

That's right. As soon as the horse race is running, it's a bit hard for the incumbent, isn't it? You forget that they're actually the prime minister. Yeah. So watch this space. We could have a Wes as Prime Minister. And if that happens, that's going to be a big deal for the Unmade podcast and our legion of Wesers on Patreon.

I do think that we have played a significant role in elevating him to the platform that he has. No one had heard of him before this. We popularised to the name, which opened the door for this leadership bid. I think before this, he was thinking, oh, no one's going to vote for a Wes. It's not a very popular name. And then we lit the touch paper. We started the fire.

And now Wesas are coming from everywhere seeking positions of office and glory. Do you reckon his people came to him one day and said the Unmade podcast is officially endorsing a Wes? And he's just like, well, that's it. And went. And maybe he went a bit early, you know, sort of went to a rush of blood to the head based on our endorsement of his name. We're not endorsing him necessarily, but his name. We're not making any endorsements. I want to know why you think his people came to him and he didn't hear the podcast like on his own. No, I mean that. He would have done that too. He said, I know, I know, I know. I'm there

already. That's what he would have said. Yeah. He would have been. Yeah. He does seem like a lovely chap. Because I don't know anyone else in the race, I do like him. He's kind of my favorite at the moment. I think he's a good guy. So, but that's a bit unfair, both on the current prime minister. and on those who are yet to put their hats in the ring. If indeed there is a ring, yes. Yeah, well, no, there is definitely. I mean, there's a lot happening. Andy Burnham now is running in a by-election to the mayor of Manchester

to try and get into the Parliament so he can have the job. I think he would be favourite. Yes, I've heard that. Isn't that amazing that someone, they actually quickly, someone dropped out to cause a by-election so that he is a very popular mayor can jump in and make it into the parliament and then be elected. Crazy times.

And he's not even a Wes. So, I mean, that's going to count against him. but good luck. Good luck to all the Andy's out there. That's right. He's up against it. No one seems to be going with their full name. Like, Wesley has to be Wes. Andrew has to be Andy. Is the UK finally introducing sort of a bit of a casual, you know,

yokel kind of aspect to it? Is it finally loosening up a little bit? Can you imagine Don Trump? That wouldn't work, would it? Well, I guess you probably can. It is funny that he has, he is a very Don kind of guy, isn't he? But it is funny that he went with Donald. Donald seems very long.

Do you think he's got any friends that call him Don? Like, is he called Don amongst his friends? I don't, I don't know. And I don't know what he might make them call him President Trump. Yeah, yeah. But we had Bill Clinton, you know, and Bob Dole. It is always very much like that. We use the smaller name.

It's unusual for him to, as I figure, to have the Donald is the long name. That's what he went for. All right. Let us move on to some parish notices. Because in the last episode, Tim, we had some ideas. And, you know, people have had things to say. And I do read all the messages. But I also like to share some of them here on the show because that just seems right, you know?

Right, right. Yes. Are they your favourite messages or are they just messages that you choose at random? No, they are heavily weighted towards things I like or things I have something to say about. Right. Yes. Fair enough. We had the idea possessed.

Remember, this was possessions, things you own that. become possessed and seem to take a life of their own and often cause you problems. Tim talked about his microwave causing him grief, all the noises it makes and beeps and boops it does, particularly when it's finished cooking, Tim, was that? That's when the song really kicks in. That's right. There's certainly a lot of beeping that goes on at other parts, but the full sort of orchestra kicks in when the cooking's done.

A few people got in touch saying apparently on some microwaves, if you hold down the two button, it can turn the music off and the sound off. Have you tried this or? No, I've not. No, I've not tried it. It's like a mute button, is it? The two, okay. Apparently, if you press the two button for a while, give that a try. But in the meantime, techno music asked, I'm going to have to request a recording of Tim's microwave symphony. And we like to deliver, Tim has recorded some beeps and boops and boops and boops and boops. from your microwave, have you? I have. I've sampled it. I think that's the term

that techno music will be familiar with. That's indeed the case. You've sampled it? Okay, well, let's have a listen. It's coming up. All right. Thank you very much. We also, Tao is the way on the Reddit,

got in touch following up on that request, asking if Tim can do a rendition of that on his guitar. Is that even possible? Could you play that on the guitar? I guess it is possible. I guess it is. Let me see what I can do. Now, I haven't actually practiced this, man.

Oh, really? You haven't practiced the other things. But I can do it pretty quick. Let me just listen to it. All right, Tim's having a, just reminding himself as his Osbot camera slues wildly around the room, his own possessed item. All right, here we go. Let's see what I can do here. All right, then.

How's that? Not bad. Yeah, I think that's pretty good. I mean, it's way better than your money for nothing. Yeah. You know, I actually had an idea that to do with my guitar in little doodlings and riffs and so forth, I wondered if people would actually appreciate them as downloadable gifts to be able to put on their phones. Like, would people actually like to have a unique, one-of-a-kind Tim Hine doodle on the guitar as their ringtone or as their text message arrival? you know, indicator. What do you think?

Do you think there's a market for that man? No. Not at all. Do you think that's a way I could buy another one of these typewriters to put on the wall? Definitely no.

I reckon there's something. Well, okay, let us know. Let us know if you would be interested in in, this is it. It would be available. You could only, like only one person could own it. This would be your unique, only a specialised little Tim Hine guitar doodle riff thing.

Yeah. If you're interested, send an email to us at Brady won't check this at unmade.com. Until the mailbox is full and then you'll get a notification. It's bursting. Let's move on before Tim gets any more entrepreneurial ideas. Another one, this comes from Taylor in Denver, who has a private pilot license and normally fly Cessna aircraft. However, one weekend when I was visiting my girlfriend of the time, the two Cessna's were booked, so I had to make alternative arrangements. I got checked out in the

Piper Cherokee, a particular Piper Cherokee, and I used that aircraft any time I needed a plane for a longer trip, and the Cessna's were booked. I learned why no one liked this particular Piper Cherokee. In that single aircraft, I flew maybe 25 hours total. I had a flat tire in the middle of O'Hare Airport. I can't imagine how stressful that would have been. I got stuck in adverse weather on two occasions, once in the air, once on the ground. I made a force landing in a cornfield after an engine failure. Beyond that, it was an uncomfortable aircraft and far too old, even by general aviation standards. I always felt like the aircraft was possessed to make my life a living hell. I love the idea for this podcast. Taylor, what are you doing? Why did you get in that plane

multiple times. There must be a real sense of superstition around planes, surely, things like that. I know there is with kind of boats. There's all sorts of superstitions and rituals and things you're supposed to do and not do. Like a boat always has to have a female name. I think planes probably are similar, something like that. Yeah. All right. Regere got in touch, who also loved the possessed idea. Regere possessed a Brompton folding bike. As many people know, Brompton is the most popular folding bike, and they make you pay a pretty penny to own one. After a bit of saving, I finally excitedly bought the possessed folding bike. The biggest problem with it was the complicated folding and unfolding dance.

Every time I did it, it would inevitably pinch a finger or I'd misfold the thing. Often both, I missed my train on more than one occasion because I was busy wrestling with the bike to fold properly. After weeks of pinched fingers and misfoldings, I decided to return it. I thought I'd give it one last chance on a trip to the bike shop. As I was folding it back up to get on my train, it gave me the most excruciate. pinch on my fingernails. I hate that bike from your favorite Patreon, Regere.

He's just added that favorite thing. That's editorialising. We have not yet decided our favorite patron. It's certainly in the running. If he's a patron, then yes, he's in the running, absolutely. I have a scooter that folds up that I used to follow Edward around when he's riding his bike so I can keep up, like just to push a long scooter. And folding that up is an absolute nightmare as well.

So I really sympathised with that message. Yes, I'm visualising a particular scooter and some pinching on my skin as well, indeed, yes. Lastly, on this topic, Desiree, oh yes, I had a possessed car, a Ford escort. The injured would cut out when I went around corners. The radio would always change back to the local Zulu radio station. Desiree lives in South Africa. Right. The local Zulu radio station, no matter what I put on, the rear window would wind down whenever it felt like it.

Sometimes when the car was parked. When I was a little kid, there was a mum who used to drive us home, like a mum of one of the other girls at the school. And she had a car that got a wiring defect. I think I've talked about it before. Obviously, it had some crossed wires in the steering wheel. And whenever you turned left, only left, the car horn would beat. Like you pressed it, but you hadn't. And us kids thought it was the funniest thing ever.

And sometimes she would just drive around the block four or five times, you know, turning left each time. And we would just laugh. We would just laugh at our heads off every time. We thought it was amazing. It's unbelievable to think of the cars that were on the road back in the day, like things that would, we just dream of them. Because all the cars now are cars, even the oldest cars that we see, are cars that have been released in our lifetime.

So they all feel like new cars that have dated a little bit. But when we were young, people own cars with holes in the floor, like rust holes. You could see the ground and just atrocious things missing. Your Renault, man. Your Renault would not be allowed on the roads in England. In England, you have to have your car checked every year for roadworthiness and make sure it's all modern. And that's called the MOT.

Oh, right. So you don't get that in England. But in Australia, you still get some old bangers, I notice. Yeah, yeah, a few. But then if something significant happens, like it moves state or it gets bought or sold or something like that. Often that sort of thing kicks in. Right. But not like it was.

I mean, just unbelievable things. But I guess I noticed it in particular because I worked at, you know, Mick Scorpos, petrol discount king service station. And so you're just watching cars come in all day along. And you look at some and go, that shouldn't be going. That's not going very much further. Tim had a podcast idea last episode, which was favourite sporting moments to go back and watch, like on TV or YouTube and things like that.

We got sent loads of these, and I can't list all of them. I don't want to go too deep in it. But I feel like people went to so much trouble writing about them that I should just bang through a few of them, just so they get a shout out. We've got the 2019 cricket world cup final with a famous super over, England versus New Zealand. I have a lot of feelings about that match that I won't share. The Aguero 2012 Premier League goal, which I remember watching really well. That was a Premier League soccer match in England.

It came down to the last minute of the season. And I remember watching that with my wife who never watches football. And we went for a walk of the dog afterwards just to calm myself down. And I just kept saying to her, you just witnessed the most amazing thing. I hope you realize that. And she's like, yeah, it seemed exciting, right? And I was like, no, no, you don't understand. I'll be talking about this on a podcast with Tim in 14 years time.

The banjo lady said, I'm going to do this because we never talk about curling on the show. The banjo lady said, Brad Gushu. I don't know how to say his name, but he's like the most famous curler of all time, apparently. The goose man. Oh, yeah. The Gushmeister. His first briar win. The Briar, I think, is the curling tournament for Canadians.

Right. He won it lots of times, apparently, but his first win was a special moment for the banjo lady, who is Canadian. Lots of people got in touch with baseball moments. The Chicago Cubs winning the World Series in 2016 was a big one. It was a very famous and dramatic series, and it was the first time they'd won it since 1908. So it meant a lot to Chicago Cubs, long-suffering fans. So that came up a few times. Is that the one that's mentioned at the end of that Moneyball, the Brad Purs?

Pitt movie. You know how he gets tempted, as a coach, gets tempted to go to the, I can't remember. The Cubs and he says no and then, you know what I mean? And then he goes in and then they win the World Series the next year or something like that. That's a great film, by the way, Moneyball. I think that's a fantastic. That's a repeated listen when I'm catching a plane somewhere film, definitely. Joseph John's got in touch and mentioned a few things, including the Watford versus Leicester championship playoff. It's a very famous last minute thing that happened in a football match, which I watch a lot as well. Guy called Troy Dini scores a dramatic goal in a very interesting circumstances.

So good call on that one. Polar, another Canadian, mentions the golden goal by Sydney Crosby at the 2010 Olympics. And shout out to Dexter on Patreon for going very deep into a horse racing moment that I won't go into as well, but I didn't expect to see horse racing in the comments. Go and show our Patreon if you want to go and see what Dexter wrote about. There we go. Do you have a memorable horse racing moment, Tim? I do.

Macaibi Diva winning the third. Melbourne Cup, I teared up watching. It's third Melbourne Cup, not the third ever Melbourne Cup. No, indeed, yes. I think it was about the 103rd Melbourne Cup. That's right. Macaibi Diva, yeah, no, I teared up. I don't know why I do.

I can't really stand horse racing. I love horses, but I have no interest in it. But this is a famous race in Australia that famously stops the nation, right? The race that stops the nation. Do you know, when I was in year seven, during class, we stopped class and they played radio commentary of the Melbourne Cup over the PA, over the rickety old PA system around the school.

We did that too when I was at my Catholic school. I imagine that was when you were at Sacred Heart, is that right, at a Catholic school? Yes, it was. Yeah, it was a Catholic school. They ran a whole, the staff run a whole book, right? So there was betting in all the classes and everything like that. It was unbelievable.

They wheel a TV into the classroom so we could watch the Melbourne Cup. A horse race. Unbelievable. But Maccabi Diva's third one, that was like special two. Yeah, I mean, it's just amazing. Were you getting emotional for the horse or for the owners of the horse or the coach or the jockey? Where was your, where was like the resonance for you? Who were you empathizing?

With the horse, with definitely the horse. I can't even remember who the jockey was. And I just remember. The horse didn't know what had happened. Oh, no, it's all about, it's all about the horse. And she's coming down the straight. And I remember I was with my wife. and she goes, look at her, go the girl.

Like this really moved and emotional as well. And we were both just, it was just beautiful. Yeah, it was marvelous. I mean, it's just a horse being hit to run fast. It's crazy. And yeah, it was just like, oh, it was a sweet romance. And then they retired her after the race in the acceptance speech. She is retired.

That's it. She's done. And she just died a few months ago. And I paused to sort of consider her again then as well. But were you like, I mean, I have no doubt horses like running fast. Well, I think they might like running fast, particularly if they're getting whacked and they want to stop getting whacked. But do you think the horses have any sense of competition that they want to get there before the other horses? Like, do you think they realise they're racing?

I have no idea, but I don't think so. I don't think so. So why were you emotional for Maccabee Diva? It's totally irrational. Well, I mean, all sport is irrational, isn't it really? It's like, oh, well, it's a leather ball being kicked through some posts and who cares? But you're in, you know, all sport is irrational. But at least you can empathize with the humans there and think how happy they must be

or like the elation or the elation of the fans who've wanted it so much. But I'm just asking. I'm just, yeah, maybe it's like it's just, yeah, maybe it's the dynamic of the race itself. But there is something. I mean, the horse is the most beautiful thing ever created, isn't it really? You know, apart from women. I mean, it's just men get lost, but, you know. Way down the list.

Females and horses. Glorious, yeah. So this, I was just really moved. What a good podcast idea that would be. A good podcast idea would be what is the most beautiful thing ever created, if you believe it was created by, you know, we probably have different views on how it came to be, but we still love to talk about what the most beautiful thing is in nature.

Well, yeah, or what started the thing, how it came to be, that's right, yeah. Why do you think horses are beautiful? I don't know. It must speak to values or something, isn't it, the speed? But even the beauty, the staidness, the height. It's like the proportions maybe. There are some golden ratio thing going on or something, I don't know. Maybe, yeah.

Although, of course, which came first? Is it like, oh, that's a perfect looking horse because I know what a horse looks like? Or is it, does perfection look like? You know what I mean? Like, do I like? Yeah, like if an alien came down, would it go, whoa, those horses are good looking? Yeah, that's right. That's right.

Yeah, yeah, that's right. Or it looks at an ardvark and goes, whoa, there we go. That's pure ardvark. That's hot. That's hot. That's a double A ardvark, that is. It would like walk up to the ardvark and go, you obviously run this planet. Tell us about it.

That's right. So I delegate a lot of it to the sloth. Just quickly, we spoke about the Artemis mission. People were a little bit upset about our lack of knowledge about Greek mythology and Artemis, who it turns out is the twin sister of Apollo, which adds more mean. meaning to, you know, the new moon mission's being called Artemis. And also, and also apparently, according to Armando Alvarez, W.F., in later Greek mythology, she was considered the goddess of the moon.

And also we've been told Tim, unrelated to the moon. But the temple of Artemis at Ephesus was also one of the seven wonders of the ancient world. And Tim might be interested knowing it's mentioned in Acts of the Apostles 19. when the people who make statues at the temple riot against Paul for preaching to the Ephesians because they fear that belief in one God will put them out of business. Oh, right. Okay. There you go. So they were making the gods. You don't get to call it a God if you're making it, I don't reckon. Look it. All right. Cool.

Thank you for all that engagement people. We appreciate you sharing with us. Oh, very, very corporate of you there. Thank you for the engagement. Oh, yeah, no, that wasn't like engagement engagement. It's just like, you know, thanks for writing us a letter. Ideas for a podcast, Tim, I'm letting you go first because you've promised me a good one. I do. I do have a good idea for a podcast. And I know that's, I'm putting it out there and that's bold of me.

But look, I don't know the perfect, I know you'll come up with a perfect name for this, but I'm calling it the list of lists. This is a podcast which explores. and unpacks the greatest and most significant lists in history. And so I made a list of what I think are sort of 15, sort of quintessential great lists in history that could be the first 15 episodes of this podcast. Tell me 15 great lists.

Number one, the periodic table of elements. Man, look at you. Yeah, on brand, hey? Mr. Science. Mr. Science. Oh, I like that. I just couldn't resist. Okay.

Okay. Oh, man, you've got my attention. All right. And here's one for me, the Ten Commandments. Oh, yes. There we go. Yeah. That the list, the most famous of lists?

Is it the most famous list ever? Must be, must be. But there we go. There's Brady and Tim right at the top, number one and two. All right. Number three is Schindler's list, of course. Get it out early. Okay, yeah,

A elephant in the room. Yep, yep, yep. I'm not sure there's much of an order to the rest of them from here on, but I've got, these are pretty classic lists that kind of have a sense of permanence about them. They're sort of, you know, sort of established. Rolling Stones' 500 greatest albums of all time. When was that published? Or do they re-?

Every down then, every decade or so, right? Okay, but it's a special edition and it's referenced and, of course, much argued over, as many of these are. Yep. Another list that exists, Fortune 500 companies. Here I've got a bit more pop culture. The David Letterman top 10 list of the late show with David Letterman. But famous list for years and years, 30 years every night. Yeah.

Okay, so that's not one list. That's a collection. It is in itself it's a collection of lists. That's right. I see where you're going with it. It's a, but it was like a nightly event. So yeah. It's a list that exists in the zeitgeist, right?

Yep. Here's another one that turns over daily almost is the new. I imagine it's weekly, the New York Times bestseller list. Yes, good. Hugely referenced list, right? The seven habits of highly effective people. Very famous list. Nice.

Yes. I'm just, my head is spinning for the amount of preparation you've done for this, man. I know. I mean, I'm sure you just did use, I'm sure you just used chat GPT, but I'm sorry. I did not use Chad TVT.

No way. Okay. Okay, good. All right. Yep. This is good, man. This is good. Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

Now this is... I don't know that. Oh, I know, I have heard of that. You know what I mean? It's kind of a list of human desires and needs from food and shelter all the way through to psychological needs and so forth. It's kind of, I don't... I was not sure about this because it sits within a framework, you know, that's kind of.

But I thought with the periodic table, this is sort of in the same area. Yeah. Here's a controversial one that has a potential spin-off. The alphabet. Oh, I like it. I like it. I mean, some of these are like, sometimes we're blurring the line between collections and lists. I mean, is the periodic table a list because it's in table form and stuff?

But if I'm going to allow the periodic table, which clearly I am, yeah, I'll give you the alphabet. Because it's also got an order and like an arbitrarily in some ways defined order. So, yep, okay, yep. Of course, the subcategory for that, or not a subcategory rather, but if you're going to allow that in, this would be sort of a bonus one is numbers. Like, yeah, the integers. Oh, yeah. Okay, yeah. I was thinking that already here.

Yeah. The Alcoholics Anonymous 12 Steps, famous list. Okay, yeah, yep, yep, it would be a good episode. Yeah, because I'm thinking of each one, is this a good episode. Tim, this is a good podcast idea, man. Good idea, isn't it? Santa's list? Yes.

Sort of exists in the zeitgeist? Yeah, yeah. He's making a list. He's checking it twice. Yeah, and there's also a naughty list, isn't it? sometimes. Well, that's, I was thinking about that, actually, because is, like, a couple of things. Nauty and nice. Well, that's it. He's making a list. He's checking it twice. He's going to find out it's called naughty and nice. So it's one list. Well, I was wondering, is that, yeah, is the list of

nice people and if you're not on it, you're naughty? Or is it a naughty list? And if you're not on it, you get a present, right? Or is it one list? And like, if your names in green, you're nice. And if your names in red, you're naughty. It could be one list in that way. The other thing that's contentious about it is it says he's checking it twice. Does that mean he's making a list and then he's checking it and then he's checking it again because he's checking it twice? Or is he... Or is the first check considered checking it twice?

That's right. Like was he sort of checking it the first time when he made it? Or does he send it out to like and get externally audited or something like that? Well, no, it says he says he's checking it. It doesn't say he's having it checked. No, but is it like he's done, like his elves or something, you know, but it does say he's making a list. I wouldn't like it to think of it being delegated to a lesser being. And it says he's checking it.

I mean, he's supernatural, so I guess he can check his own work in some ways. That's right. Look, if he can get around to all the houses on Christmas Eve, he can certainly devise a list throughout the whole year. I mean, that's easy pickings. If he's magical, though, surely he got it right the first time. And surely one check after that would be enough. You would think so.

That's right. Checking it twice. But imagine if you found out that your name was on it like the first time he checked it, but then on the second time through. It's like, okay, I'm putting Brady on the next time route. Yep, no, Brady should be there. And then the third time he reads and he goes, oh, no, hang on.

No, I'm taking Brady off. Like, imagine that. He's off. You miss out on your skateboard because you read it through just one more time. It's like, oh, gosh. Yeah, I saw that last number five video, it was rubbish. He was naughty. It was naughty.

Anyway, moving along. All right. Number 13, this is a little bit. more, you may not know about this one, Martin Luther's 95 Theses. Now, do you know what this is? No, man. He only went to the toilet 95 times in his whole life. No, that's not feces. Theses. As in lots of, yeah. This is a famous moment when Martin Luther, who's the founder of the Lutheran Church, went up to the church and nailed a big thing on the Wittenberg door about the door of

the church about the corruption in the Catholic church. Yep. Yeah. And, you know, led to all sorts of reforms and stuff. Nice. Kind of changed European history. But anyway, that's a famous, famous list. Yeah. Two more to go.

Number 14, the World Heritage list. Nice. You've got a list in the name's always a winner. Nice, man. Yes. No, you can't argue with that, can you? Yeah. And the last one is just a to-do list, which is a different thing again.

It's not a specific list. It's just a kind of list it exists. But it exists in the last. the zeitgeist because people say I'm putting it on the to-do-l-l. Okay. I mean, that's the only one of the 15 that you did as like a generic time of this rather than a theta. But still, I think in this podcast where each week you're looking for new angles and new

things to talk about then, yeah, it's good, good idea, good idea. Good idea, isn't it? I've pulled off a good idea. Yeah, yeah. Can you think of any lists that I have not? No, I mean, I can think of more, but I think you've picked a good bunch. And I think we should let people contribute lists. get in touch with us, email, Reddit,

Patreon, all the usual ways, tell us some more lists that you think would be good episode fodder. I don't have to add anything to this, man. This is such a good podcast. Each week, you just talk about a different list, a different famous list. The history behind it, how it came about, all that kind of stuff. The title, list of lists, I don't know, I don't love it.

I don't love it, but it's a good starting point. And it's kind of self-referential and it kind of works. think it would work. I think it would work is the name. I mean, obviously there are lots of lists, right? Like there are things like the list of all the US presidents, right? Things like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The list of all the Academy Award winners. I don't think they would count. I think the list, I think the list has to be famous for being a list kind of in that way that the Ten Commandments are or things like that. And, yeah, yeah, or having list in the name. more, yeah.

That's right. That's right. Like the Bill of Rights and things like that. You know, there's a particular list of things of amendments. And it's that kind of thing. You can also go with, when you're with your last one, to do lists, you could, if you're going to go into that generic genre, you can do things like bucket lists, black lists. Yeah, yeah.

Things like that. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess the seven wonders of the world is probably a kind of a famous list. You'd probably do that, and of the ancient world and all that kind of stuff. You could call it, you could call it the list is life.

No. I don't think you could. From the Shindler's. That's the Tim name, is it for it? I don't think, yeah, not only is that a bad name. I don't think you should be riffing on the film Shindler's list for your fun. No, that's probably not. Yes.

No, yes, no, that's probably dangerous territory, yeah. Well done, man. Well done. Good clean idea. Something our podcast needs every now then, an unmade podcast idea. because we do a lot of stuff and I think it's important that we keep this main this is what people come for.

What about the list of all the ideas we've had on the Unmade podcast? Oh yeah, yeah. Well, that exists, doesn't it? I always forget where that is, but it's in an Excel spreadsheet somewhere that you've sent me the link 40. There's a list of the times you've sent me the link to that.

Yeah, that's kept by the owl for us. Okay, well, I think we can move on. I think we should just give you a pat on the back and say, well done, man, let's move on. Thank you. It's time to award a couple of our famous medals, the Brady Harron Medal and the Tim Hine Medal. Huge.

I mean, it's probably no surprise these two medals were about to give, but I think after the recent flurry of publicity around our big rocking horse music film clip and documentary, now is the time to be doing it, I'll go first because I'm going to award a Brady Harron medal. Perhaps the more prestigious one, do you think, Tim, or I don't know? Oh, no. No.

The fact that it's going first is the sign that it's obviously the lead up to the big bun. To the finale, to the main show. They hand out best editing before best picture at the Oscars. True, true, true. The Brady Haren Medal is being awarded to the creative genius, the composer, the performer of the very original sofa shop theme jingle. It's Quentin Ayers. Quentin. Quentin.

Wow. I feel like we should be standing. Yeah. Yeah. From Cue the Music is his business in Adelaide. Still going strong, still working, still doing, still lots of irons in the fire around Adelaide, but responsible for many of the most famous advertising jingles in Adelaide television history. None more important, though, than the sofa shop.

I was recently in Adelaide. Tim was very busy this day, unfortunately. Amazingly, it was the day, this is pure coincidence. It was the day we released the music video, rocking the horse, and I went to see him and presented him with the medal. You can watch a video if you like, but for those that don't want to watch the video, here's a bit of audio of the moment.

I'm deeply honoured to be immortalised in this way of having the sofa shop, a jingle that was one of many that I did many years ago has achieved such a level of fame, dare I say, notoriety around the world. And this recognition from the creators of the Unmade podcast is possibly the crowning moment of my entire career. Thank you very much, guys. Huge honour, Hugh Johnner. Yeah, yeah.

He can put that on the shelf along with his numerous Grammys and other musical awards, no doubt. Yes, that's right. Indeed, indeed. Well, were you nervous in seeing him again and handing over the medal? You know, it's a big moment. I mean, obviously, I'm in the presence of greatness. And I never forget that and take it for granted.

But he's such a professional, Quentin. He puts one at ease with his calm manner, his poise, his knowledge of guitars. He's, you know, he made it easier for me than it could have been. That's great. He's one of those guys that looks at home behind a mixing desk. You know, when people walk into a, there's two kinds of people. You know, one sort of person walks into a studio and says, oh, you know, can you fly that or can you land a plane with that? The other kind of person leans over and starts twisting knobs and actually knows what's going on with them.

He's one of those guys, which is impressive in itself. He definitely knows how to twist a knob, no doubt. Now, the accompanying Tim Hine medal, would you like to do the honours here, Tim? Is there special music for mine? Like, we should get Quinton to compose something for mine. I know. We've got, we've got, we've already got a medal theme composed by Alan. Oh, do we?

Yeah. Oh, right. All right. I had forgotten that. I played it a second ago, unbeknownst to you. But let's play it again. Let's play it again now for the Tim Hind Medal. Well, it's an enormous honour to bestow this incredible prize bearing my name to,

Carmen Scousey. The voice of the sofa shop. We have a sofa design for you. Indeed, the voice of the sofa shop. I mean, if without him, the sofa shop would have remained simply in, you know, Quinton's mind and heart and studio. But it was Carmen, who gave voice to the dream. Sofer shop, yeah, come and drop in. And that flowed out around the Adelaide sound waves for, let's say, maybe a,

decade longer than it probably, otherwise would have, and just incredible. So I tell you, I can't tell you how many times I meet someone and if I feel like there's a connection, I say, do you know Carmen Scousey? And people go, yeah, yeah, I know Carmen. Yeah. Back in the day. Yeah, yeah, totally. He seems to have tentacles everywhere in the Italian community around Adelaide. Certainly amongst, basically what I'm saying is when I meet someone who's Italian that sings, I say, do you know, and there's more of those in Adelaide that you could possibly believe. Yeah.

Yeah. I said, do you know, Carmen Scousey? And they go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and they'd have been to 14 weddings together and sang at half of them or something, you know. I like to think that Carmen is among Italian singers as kind of the godfather, and he kind of just sits in a studio and other Italian singers come to him for advice, and then they, then they like, kiss his ring and he sings the sofa shop to them. That's right.

He's an Italian stallion. That's right. He's the man. Of the songstress, not a songstress, a songster, I should say. Songster. I also went and saw Carmen the same day I saw Quentin. I drove straight from Quentin Studio to out to see Carmen. Tim missed this again.

Again, Tim was very busy with church meetings. I feel like you've just sort of gone from, you know, you know, Paul McCartney's apartment across to Ringo Starr's apartment or something like that. You know what I mean? And I just happened to be busy buying a hot dog or something. Well, that was, you were fielding a lot of press inquiries that day because of our music video. But I went and saw Carmen, here's what he had to say. Absolutely huge moment.

Thanks so much. And thanks to Tim, too. Thank you for everything. It's great. Tim, Carmen's such a nice guy. I tried to get him to talk about the sofa shop and his medal and stuff like that. All he wanted to do was ask about me. How's your little boy?

How's your wife? What's your wife doing? And he was asking such sincere and probing questions about my family. I was like, does he know my family? Like, he cared bordering on too much about my family. It was amazing. He's such a kind, nice man and such a beautiful syrupy voice, legend. Don't you do a thing until you see the selfish shop?

Wonderful voice, beautiful voice, fantastic voice. I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled, and he would be thrilled. He's up there with Michael Bolton as winners of the Tim Hine medal. Yes. along with your wife, Kylie. Who he cares about very much. There's a couple.

There's a real trinity of beautiful voices there. But in the spoken English enunciation and in the beautiful crooning, you wonder if they'd record, you know, like the three tenors used to tour and record together. I wonder if we'll ever have Michael Bolton, Carmen Scousey and Kylie Pentelow on stage. That would be amazing. That would be the biggest. That would be the biggest trio since Huntrix. The Tim Hine medal trio.

Oh, yeah. Spoon. Very quick spoon of the week. I'm not even going to talk about these. I'm just going to send them to you in the post, Tim. On my trip to Australia, I acquired, you can see pictures of these in the show notes and all the usual places, people. I acquired this big rocking horse spoon at the big rocking horse. It's a nice one.

This isn't the one you've already got, is it? It is, yeah. On my unmade podcast shelf, I have it there. Oh yeah, but that's the one I gave you, isn't it? Yeah. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. Yeah, that's not the old one.

No, no, no, no, no. The other one we've got didn't have the white and red on it, yeah. So see our pages and notes and all that for the latest incarnation of the big rocking horse spoon. It's a nice one. And Tim also, when I was in Perth, I went to the top of this big bell tower they have in the middle of Perth. It's quite a cool little tour you can do, and I rung some bells and had to look around. I really enjoyed it. And I bought a, like a spoon of that bell tower.

There it is. Oh, wow. Picture in the notes. I'll send it over to you. You can add it to the collection. Man, have you told people about the new cards, the British Racing Green wild cards? Have you announced anything about those? Let's come to that in a second, actually.

That's a good point, because there is some card news. It's big card news, actually, massive card news. But let's do it in the context of prizes, because we're going to quickly doll out some prizes to Patreon supporters. support us on Patreon people. Not only do you win amazing prizes, you get bonus content like the request room and all sorts of extra stuff are posting. I did a little video touring in Tim's office the other day

when I was there. That's going to be a Patreon bonus in the next few weeks. So there's all sorts of little bonus videos and things you get as well as the ability to win prizes. Quickly, prizes. So when I was at the Big Rocking Horse, I bought these like, I don't even know what they are. They're like these wooden flat.

ornaments with pictures of the big rocking horse on them. Yeah. But they were flat and they looked easy to post. So I bought a bunch of them. And Tim has autographed them to commemorate his performance atop the big rocking horse. So you can have an autographed rocking horse from Tim. I will sign them too if you want. But at the moment I've left them just Tim because that makes it a bit more rock and roll.

No one wants like the guy who did the editing to sign their merch. You don't, you don't know. No. No. So you just want Tim. So four people have been selected as winners. They come from our $3 and above tier. It was because it's a special, special prize.

If you are one of these four people, you must contact me either via the Patreon webpage, like just in the comments or somewhere, to say, I want my price. I don't want to mail these and go to all the trouble and the expense of mailing them to people that don't even want them. So contact me if you want it.

If you don't, that's fine too. Robert D from Maryland's in Australia, Felix from Edinburgh here in the UK, Jordy from Sweden, Valingby, Valingby, I think is where you're from, and Yakin from Quebec. You are the first four people that will be sent these things. If I don't hear from you in a few weeks, I'll send them to someone else.

But get in touch. Congratulations, everybody. More prizes. We're going to send out collector cards. Now, our Spoon of the Week collector cards have gone kind of crazy, man. Obviously, we had the original 23, and the set has now expanded to 100. We also have special edition cards that are rarely sprinkled among the packs. These are British Racing Green additions.

These are sort of like the original cards, but in a British Racing Green trim in order of Tim's favourite colour. And they have different pictures and bonus content on them. They're like, they're special. And I just love the idea of someone opening their pack and getting that little glint of green and going, I've got a British Racing Green edition. Special, special. Amazing. Amazing. And now also sprinkled among the decks even more rarely. There are special gold edition cards autographed by Tim and I. This is like the golden ticket. This is your Willy Wonka card. They're rare, but they are in packs. So keep on the lookout. Massive. Massive.

That's all out there. You've done an incredible job with these. These are just really so handsome, so beautiful. Have we told people about the leather, holders? Yeah, is that like, I can't remember. I've made some mention of on Patreon, but I'm holding that back a bit because I'm not quite, I haven't quite got my own, my own head around that yet, but yeah. All right. All right. Okay, still a bit overwhelmed by your own achievements I am. So packs go out as prizes and occasionally there are sales and we're going to keep sprinkling them out there for people. But today I've put together a special 20 card pack that also has a chance of having green cards and the gold card in it. There are five,

of these packs that are going out to people. Again, you must get in touch with me if you want a claimant. I'm not going to pay you to send 20 of these precious cards out to people that don't want them. Just a comment or an email or anything, Patreon, just say, yeah, Brady, send it over. The first two are algorithmically biased towards more loyal supporters the next three, are completely random. Bruce from Washington State, who I know is a big collector of the cards. I was very happy when I saw Bruce's name come up. Bruce, you've got one coming. Jacob L in Minnesota. Bass M in the Netherlands.

Hugo in Oslo. Hugo, I'm going to Oslo next week. Hugo, if you get in touch with me this week, or very soon, I will give you your pack in person because I'm going to be in Oslo. Wow. Otherwise, I will mail it to you. And Tim L. in New Zealand, Glenham, New Zealand. There you go.

Congratulations, everybody. Fantastic. Man, this card thing is so exciting to me. I know. I know you love it. When I'm like dealing them into like random packs to send to people and then I do it all like very, I'm very strict about using like random number generators and stuff to decide who gets like the bonus cards.

And then I shuffle things so I don't actually know who's getting what. Right. But as I place like assigned gold card into one of the packs, I'm like, I'm feeling the excitement of the person who's going to open that pack one day and see a signed card. Like, it moves me, man, it moves me. Nice. Love it. Do you want a quick idea from me for a podcast? I'll keep it quick.

I do. I do. Come on. Yeah, come on. I deliberately picked one of my not-so-good ones because I knew you had a good one coming. Well, you thought you did. And we had lots of other stuff to talk about. So this is one of my burners, okay?

This is a burner idea. Yep. You know how we have the summer Olympics? We do. And we have the Winter Olympics. Yes, we do. Correct. Yes.

We don't have the autumn or the spring Olympics. So my idea... Why didn't I think of this? Brilliant. My idea is to launch the autumn and the spring Olympics. And to make it into a podcast is we pitch sports or people pitch sports that they think should be included in my Olympics, my autumn and my spring Olympics. Brilliant idea.

All right. Love it. So my criteria, my idea for a criteria, I'm open to a better idea, but let's just go with what I've Yeah. To get into the autumn Olympics, because the autumn by our North American friends is called the fall, sports that are in the autumn Olympics have to involve falling of some sort. Right. And sports that are in the spring Olympics have to involve springing or jumping in some way.

Right, okay. Okay. So there's going to be a degree of poaching existing sports from the summer and the winter Olympics and placing them into my autumn and spring Olympics. And also some pitching of new sports that don't already exist. in the Olympics, which seems to be a shrinking market now as more and more weird sports get included in the Olympics, but let's do it. Can I give you some ideas of some sports that I think might be pitched for these? Please go ahead. And then I have some of, I have a few that have come to

mind that I think could be, um, okay, test sports. Well, let's go with the autumn Olympics, the fall Olympics. There's some obvious ones. Diving, skydiving, base jumping, skateboarding, skateboarders seem to fall over a lot. Snowboarding. Snowboarders are forever. falling. Judo and wrestling, both involve falling really as part of the sport. Then I went a bit outside the box. How about rodeo, ball riding? Parkour.

Falling is a big part of parkour. They would argue that they're springing, but we all know it's all falling. Yeah, yeah. There is some crossover. Pillow fighting. Maybe you could have people on like a greased pole, like whacking each other with pillows to see who's going to fall off. Oh yeah, I love that.

So that would be the Foll Olympics. the Autumn Olympics. I'm sure that the IOC is going to listen to this and pinch my ideas. They'd love more Olympics, wouldn't they? Because they haven't got enough money. There's more money in it, they will. The Spring Olympics, obviously high jump, long jump, triple jump, pole vault. Equestrian, I always think of involving a lot of jumping, trampolining.

And then I'd like some sort of sport involving like stunts and cars and things going over ramps. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's not enough of that. Yeah. What else have I got here? What about like ejector seating and stuff? Like who can eject out of a car or, you know, like an aircraft the highest? Rocket, building rockets, building like water rockets and things like that

and saying who can go the highest? Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, that's my idea. Autumn and Spring Olympics pitching sports to go into these new Olympics that are going to be launched by the IOC in the next 10 years or so. I, well, that's a good list and that's a very good idea. I'm thinking something that's more in the spirit of those seasons. So, like, for autumn, like, I would go with, like, leaf raking, you know, like,

who can rake up leaves a lot quicker. Okay, okay, yeah. I like that, I sort of idea. The Spring Olympics would have to be cleaning and things like that in the spring. Well, yeah, or like, you know, what happens in the spring? Like, you give birth, like animals give birth. Giving birth is an Olympics for. I like it, man.

Yeah, I like that. I like everything. Or, like, you know, gathering flowers that have come into bloom. So there could be like a whole florist kind of part of the spring. Flower arranging? Flower arranging. Calf, berthing? Yes, carfing.

Like, you've got to pull the calf out, you know, help who gets it out as quick as they can when the vet's involved. Okay. So I like that kind of stuff that really gets into the, something involving insects and bees and spreading pollen, that kind of thing. That's very springish. Clothes rearranging? Yes, spring cleaning.

Spring cleaning, yeah. That's great, yeah. Going out through your whole. whole house and doing a massive spring clean. Yeah. Oh, that's a great idea. Yeah. And I think there's a lot to be said, like, for autumn.

There's a lot to be said with like, you know, like snuggling up with a book and a nice warm jumper or something. Oh, yes. Very, very competitive Olympic sport there, man. Yeah. That's the kind of thing. Who can sort of get the most comfortable and snuggish with a bit of jazz music playing and a good book?

Here's the Olympic gold medalist in snuggling. Like, it could be. In romantic comedying, because you know how they always have a scene, you know, in autumn in New York? You know, that sort of upper west siding. Yeah. Tom Hanks would clean up at the Autumn Olympics. Buying stationary. That kind of.

Wearing comforting sweaters. Company sweats, that's right, going, oh, it's a bit chilly out. I'll put just a nice comfy jumper on. Knitting? Yeah. Knitting, yes, very good. Scarf, yeah, long scarves. Who can do them the quickest?

Yeah. That's a lot of autumn stuff. Folk music I associate as well. So maybe there could be, you know, record buying. Yeah. That could be, that'd be good to, there could be literally be a world record for, like, record purchasing and playing. Spring Olympics could have moth bowling, where you have to take a whole bunch of woolen jumpers

and fold them up and put them in a drawer with moth bowls, the quickest. Moth bowling. This is a great idea. What sort of things would, you can just picture the opening sermons. ceremonies of each of them, can't you? Yeah. Like, it'd just be awesome. The Spring Olympics would have like lots of chickens being let out onto the arena.

It's like a Tommy ball game. No dubs. They'd just be chickens. Ducklings. Bayed ducklings. Chicklets. Chiquets. Just crossing the road.

Crossing. What's the ducklings crossing the track? And it'd just be wonderful. The runners stopping for the ducklings out of respect. Would the autumn Olympics? involved like having a massive, passive, passive piles of dry leaves and setting them on fire with the torch. Yeah, yeah. Kids just laying down in them and doing that angel thing with their arms and legs.

Yeah. Oh, that'd be beautiful. That'd bring world peace. Look, imagine the camera above looking at a whole arena of dried leaves and angels. Nice. Wonderful. Beautiful. Wonderful.

So there we go. There's certainly a lot there the IOC can work with. And with enough money in a paper bag, you'd get it up, I reckon. days. Good idea, man. Good idea. Just a small cut to the handmade podcast for coming up with the idea for you, Gus. That's right. That's right. Yeah, I've got another type writer to buy. Shall we retire to the request room where patrons can hear us talk some more if you haven't had enough? Yes. Nice. Welcome.

All right. Let's do it. See you there. Thanks, everyone. Request room. Go to Patreon. Join up. We need your help. That's another list. Our list of patron supporters. Brilliant. That's the ultimate list. The list is. That is the list. The list is life. That is, we haven't done one of those things lately where we read all their names.

Remember we used to do those occasionally? We should do one of those again, so we should do one of those. It's nice. Maybe I could put all their names in a song, one epic song, and just read them out. That would be special. That would be special. We didn't start the fire, but it's their names. Oh, yeah.

How cool would that be. Yeah. It would be. Marilyn Monroe and James, Marilyn Monroe and James Dean and J. and JFK and all that. It'd be Bruce and Colonel Katrina. You'd have one whole verse that's just Wesley's. That's right.

All right. I'm going to work on that. All right. Good luck for that.