The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - Becoming a great grandmother, 1960s fad diets & 'the burning of the bras' w/ my Grandmas

Episode Date: December 18, 2024

Abby’s grandmothers, Vicky and Diane, join Matt and Abby to share stories from their lives, including 1960s fad diets, driving without baby car seats, and their memories of JFK’s assassination. They also reflect on women’s rights over the decades and their first impressions of Abby when she was born. This episode is sponsored by Factor, ZocDoc, BetterHelp & Nutrafol. Factor: Head to https://factormeals.com/unplanned50 and use code 50UNPLANNED to get 50% off your first box plus free shipping. ZocDoc: Go to https://Zocdoc.com/UNPLANNED and download the Zocdoc app for FREE! BetterHelp: Visit https://BetterHelp.com/unplannedpodcast today to get 10% off your first month. Nutrafol: Visit https://nutrafol.com and enter promo code UNPLANNED for $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What was that like holding Yabby for the first time? You made me cry. This is terrible. This is where I get it from Matt. Did you guys even put your baby in a car seat? Was that something that you did? There wasn't even a seatbelt law then. It wasn't a real safety car seat.

If you throw the brakes on the baby would probably fly. Oh my gosh. Through your life, do you feel like you've seen women's rights change a lot? The opportunities for women have multiplied tremendously. Didn't you have a mantra you had to say at your fitness class? We had a thing we said. My ex's poundage is there for all the world to see. What a fool I've been.

Wow, the times have changed. I feel very blessed to have such close relationships with both my grandmas. It's going to be funny having them together on this. We're gonna get a little sassiness, a little humor, and it's gonna be really sweet because I think the relationship I have with both you guys is like very special. It is really sweet and I think what's so interesting,

Diane and I were on a one-hour drive to get here. I picked her up from her place out east and we were driving and we were just talking about all the differences between your generation and our generation and I kind of want to get into that because something I was thinking about is when I brought our son home from the hospital I was so nervous about you know driving well below the speed limit on the highway and getting him perfectly positioned in his car seat. But when you guys drove home with your children from the hospital, did you guys even have car seats? Did you put your baby in a car seat? Was that something that you

did? I had those plastic... Yeah, it wasn't a real safety car seat. It was just a seat that you could put a seat belt around and carry around everywhere. But it had no protection. If you'd throw the brakes on the baby'd probably... Oh my gosh. Did they go in the back seat? No, I think I helped. I think I carried the baby in my arms and sitting in the passenger seat. Yeah. I carried the baby home. You literally carried your baby in the passenger seat on the way home from the hospital and that's what everybody did. I think that's what I did. Wow. I don't remember but I think so. I know it's been a few years ago. In the front seat? Wow. Yeah. Was there even a belt to buckle in the baby carrier thing back in?

There wasn't even a seat belt law then was there? Oh I'm sure not. And I don't think they had those cross pieces. I think the seatbelts were just, the seatbelts were just, you know, around your waist. Really? Yeah, the seat that you put the baby in was called an infant seat and it was just a plastic, wasn't it? Was it just plastic? I think so. And you'd put a blanket in it, put the baby in it, and hope for the best. Wow. Hope for the best. Don't throw the brakes on.

And your infant seat probably didn't turn into like a baby carrier or turn into a stroller like we have today. I had a stroller. But it was a separate stroller, right? Yeah, separate. It wasn't part of the infant seat. Because you've seen how all these like pops into a stroller. Yeah, all heavens know.

That's new age to me. Yeah, it's even new for now. Was that even a thought when you're holding your baby in the passenger seat on the highway, where you're thinking, hey, maybe they should invent something to make this a little bit safer. No, I don't think so. I was an inventor.

Were you allowed to have your husbands in the room when you had a baby back then? No. See I heard that because actually I was watching I Love Lucy and I was like that's crazy but that was before you guys were having babies but still I wonder when that was that you could have your spouse in the room. Now you say before, I mean I've never watched I Love Lucy on TV as an adult didn't you? Sure. Yeah. Well it came out in the 50s. I'm just talking about when they filmed it. Okay. Wasn't it the 50s? I remember watching it when I lived at home with my parents I think I remember my mother really cracking up

the 50s. That goes way back. You're almost at the beginning of television there. I was 10 years old in 54. Wow. 51 is when it premiered. I Love Lucy premiered in 51. So I guess I was living at home with my parents. Yeah, 51 to 57. But then they showed reruns for years after that, I think. But it was the same when you got,

because you were having babies in the 70s. No husbands in there. Was it ever a thought, like were there any progressive women that were saying, hey, let's have our husbands in the delivery room? Was anybody saying that at the time? Probably, I don't remember. I mean, just go, you just have to go by what the hospital rules are. Oh, so that was a rule at the hospital?

Even if you as a woman wanted your husband back there, they would say no, not allowed. Yeah, I don't think it was. And I imagine it's the hospital that didn't allow it. What about while you're in labor though, could they be with you during labor, just not the delivery? Correct. So once you're about to deliver the baby, they had to leave. Once they wheeled you away from the labor room and took you to the delivery room Wow I have no clue Maybe they just didn't want to mess with well probably a nervous father in there I mean they don't let spouses in there for surgeries now, so it's probably just like a medical practice No, they don't usually I know they will let them for c-sections

But they don't let you the spouse in there like when you get your spinal tap or anything So it's probably just like per the hospital but now universally husbands are allowed in there and I want to say that the dad couldn't be there when the baby first arrived but yeah I think Abby told me that you got like knocked out or something for the birth of your kids right and the medication that they gave me just it did it just put me to sleep. Wow. So you just woke up and your baby's there. I woke up and I said, have I had my baby?

I had a horrible headache. And so she put her hand up and said, yes, you have. I said, what was it? Because you didn't know. You didn't know. No. They didn't have ultrasound or whatever it is that you, is that what you have to see what the sex of the baby is?

Yeah! And blood tests too also show that. No, I didn't, did you? You remember? Did you know what your baby was before the baby came out? That's terrible to ask me that. I don't know if I knew or not. I don't think so.

No, people didn't. I don't think so. It was a guessing game. But I was totally out as well for… You were knocked out as well? For Laurie. Wow. For was a guessing game. I was totally out as well. You were knocked out as well? For Laurie. Wow. For my, you know.

So there was a switch that happened? And then some, well, then I barely made it to the hospital so I wasn't, not only was I not out, I wasn't there early enough to get anything different. But no, it was very typical to give you drugs that you weren't. To knock you out. Yeah.

Wow. So then since you weren't. To knock you out. Yeah. Wow. So then since you weren't awake, a lot of times they had to use forceps to deliver the baby. Really? And Matt had a very dented head. Oh. And his head was very long because I had been in labor for, you know, what do they call, pre-labor for several days.

That's totally different now. Yes, it's much better now. So you were knocked out for both babies? No, with Michael, I don't, I didn't even know that they kept that great of records, but I think my doctor knew that the amount that they had given me, you know, three years earlier was too much, and so they cut it back

and so I wasn't completely out. Oh, so the goal wasn't to knock? And I think he was born pretty fast. Okay. Too. Crazy. Yeah, he was born early too. He was very early.

It's kind of fun that it was always a surprise, but did you have any inklings with your kids? Because you had two boys, you had two girls. Do you have any inklings with your kids? Because you guys, you had two boys, you had two girls, do you have any inklings like I think it's the same or? People always were guessing, weren't they? I know people in church would say, I think you're gonna have a boy because, you know they had their own philosophies about.

That's fun. And at that time I want to say people were having four, five, six kids so why two? I feel like two was probably very different than the culture at that time, I want to say people were having four, five, six kids. So why two? I feel like two was probably very different than the culture at the time. Two was considered what you should have. Really? Oh, that was, okay.

So maybe it was maybe more so my great grandpa, because I think at during his time, like everyone seemed to be having tons of children. But two was pretty standard at that time. Well, they probably didn't have birth control when you're… Oh, yeah. We're talking about my great-grandfather. Yeah, I don't think birth control existed back then. I think two is probably standard now too, I would say.

Yeah, but there's a lot of people that don't even have kids now. Yeah, that's true. Driving home in the hospital with a new baby, who knows what they're doing that you have no clue what you're in for raising a child. It's huge. But you were also in the hospital for how long were you in the hospital? Several days. Several days.

I know I was in for a week afterwards. A week? Yeah. Why? That was standard. And you would be so weak. I mean, I was weak as a kitten when I came home. Because you had so much medication?

Well, you had a lot of stitches from the forceps, everything, you know, and so you're exhausted. Yeah. Because I don't remember getting up and walking, and do you? I remember getting up and walking and you? I remember getting up and going to getting the shower. Yeah. That was a big deal.

Yeah, right. That's true. But they took the baby away at night and put, or when you were sleeping and took your baby to the nursery so you could get some sleep. Wow. See, we didn't have that at all.

For us, you- They don't do that anymore. They don't do that anymore. So for us, we were up all throughout the night with our baby. And it's almost like, I almost wish Abby and I could have been in separate rooms because then I was with our child, but Abby was awake. We were recovering from surgery, but no sleep. So she wasn't able to get out of bed, but she was still awake while I was helping our sons. So that's interesting.

So yeah, your baby was in a nursery. You got to sleep through the night. Yeah, I can see both sides though, because it's really, really difficult for a mom to feel, I'm sure it was hard for them to take your baby out of the room and you're like, wait a minute, I just had that baby. Don't walk away with that. I wanna have eyes on that at all times.

But maybe also since you were expecting it and you were in a hospital, it's a trusted, safe place. You're like. Kind of know the rules going in. I feel like we've had very extreme differences in our like, where the, cause like for me, even after C-section, like the painkillers were kind of like, do you want this?

I think a lot of people opted to take the painkillers at least once, one or two of them. But like ibuprofen after surgery. And it was like, okay, well, and here's your newborn baby. Let's talk about teaching because I know both of you were teachers back in the day and I know teaching has changed so, so much

over the past 40, 50 years. Were you allowed to spank your students when you were a teacher? Usually, if you felt that was necessary you'd take the child to the principal and the principal would make that decision. They would do it. Was that what it was for you? Sure I would I've never spanked a student I wouldn't but you know but back then it was it was acceptable but it was the principal that would do it. Interesting. With witnesses, I recall.

And was that for kids that were first, second grade? What ages did that go up to? That's what I taught, first, lower grades, first, second grade mostly. Were the kids all afraid of the principal then? Well, maybe the kids who were naughty might not have liked the principal. Did you have some pretty naughty kids back in the day? Well, no, it's not that they were not. I said that a lot of the kids that I happened to teach were, you know, they came from homes

where they had very big challenges. So it's been a bad way. Very big challenges. Gotcha. Was it a lower income school or just a school that had kids that grew up in a tough environment I guess? Yes. Okay. For me, not her, right? No. So you were teaching at a public school and then you taught at a private school. And did you know each other at the time? Were you aware of who, because you were in the same town, right? I didn't know, I didn't know that Diana until

Matt and Lori. Really? Not true. Because your younger son dated her younger daughter. Oh, wait, wait. That's right, that's true. Wait, we gotta talk about. That's true.

I don't think you should talk about that. You guys could have had double cousins. This could have been a double cousin situation. Many, many, many years ago. You didn't initially meet each other when Matt and Lori were dating. It was when Matt and Lori's siblings were dating. Yeah, that's right.

What were your first impressions of each other? I don't know if we met. I don't know. It wasn't that serious. I don't think we met then. I don't remember. Sorry, I don't remember. I know either.

At least if we did. That's funny. I don't remember our first meeting at all. I don't think we met then. I'm not sure. I don't remember. Sorry. I don't remember. I know I don't either. At least if we did. That's funny. I don't remember our first meeting at all. I don't either. Yeah. What is your first memory of meeting each other? Was it when mom and dad were like getting pretty serious or was it earlier on? Oh. You don't remember? I have no clue. I think you may have invited us to your home. I remember that Greg had all, he really loved antiques and you had a lot of really interesting antiques in your home. I remember that Greg had all, he really loved antiques and you had a lot of really interesting antiques in your house. That's kind of something I remember.

Mm-hmm. Well, that's interesting. I should tell you I remember that time well, but I don't remember it at all. Yeah. It's gone. Well, what was the wedding planning like? I guess, mom probably did most of the planning for the wedding.

Did she? Or did you do a lot of planning? I don't know. Seems like we did it together. I don't remember one of us doing all of it or a lot. It's much easier to be the mother of the groom than it is to be the mother of the bride. I actually want to know about that

because I'm kind of worried about being the mother of the groom. I feel like, do you feel like you feel less involved? You feel less involved. Well, your main responsibility is a rehearsal dinner. That's true. You get your own thing. I wonder if also the tradition will change by the time, I think it's already kind of changing. Like by the time Griffin and Augie get married, I want to be involved, but like you don't want to feel like you're, I don't know, overstepping

in a way. Cause it is, even though it's about the couple, it is kind of widely don't know, overstepping in a way. Because even though it's about the couple, it is kind of widely viewed as like the bride's day in a way. Well, Diane, did you guys foot the bill? I know typically the tradition is the bride's family pays for the wedding. So was that something that you guys did back then? I think we pretty well did that,

except for the rehearsal dinner then was always the- And the honeymoon, right? There that you know you could kind of halfway follow at least yeah you think too hard about things so that's fun it's weird that that's the standard too it's like maybe it should be a 50-50 split or it's like also why why are the parents even like you know it could be you know individual parents yeah those decisions. Yeah. Yeah.

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know if you've ever asked your grandma's what didn't people call my mom and dad Ken and Barbie or whatever yeah they were a very cute I was delighted with it Laurie she was a darling blonde girl so cute and yeah she was a catch for Matt and he really hadn't dated much. Yeah I want to actually know this because they both told me they were like I never dated. I never dated and I'm like is that true? I think they both could have they just were very selective people. Okay. And you know they weren't gonna go out just to go out. They wanted to make sure they really liked the person. That's sweet.

Man, maybe the left story was as pure as they say it was. They both never dated anybody before. Oh, that's not true of Lori, but. I don't know. I bet really not very much. There might have been one other girl or maybe two at college, but I don't know. He did not go to prom or homecoming. I want to know that you're Mrs. Social and your son—

Matt is not. Is not Mr. Social. No. He's Mr. Anti-Social. But your granddaughter is Mrs. Social. I know. Skip's not Mr. Social. He's Mr. Anti-social. But your granddaughter is Mrs. Social. I know. Skip the generation. What happened?

He skipped a generation there. That's funny. Yeah. I wanted him to, and his brother did those things, but not that. That make you sad that he didn't go to prom? I wished he would, but you can't force somebody to do something like that. If you don't want to go, then that would be really miserable. Yeah, I don't even think he won't, you know, sometimes guys go together.

But I don't recall that he even did that. I wouldn't be surprised. I liked his guy friends. He had nice friends. So I didn't have any big complaints about him that way. So you must have been so excited when your son, who't go to prom junior senior year now has this this girl Yeah, and they're everyone's calling them Barbie and Ken That's where a real cute couple

I remember I think Matt was like really really strong back in the day like he runs a lot now Abby's dad is named Matt also by the way for anybody who's confused But he apparently used to like go to the gym every day in college so he must have been well he played soccer so he um you know he's on the soccer team for school and so that was part of it i think yeah yeah my mom always shows me pictures that she took on her digital camera and printed off She's like this is what your dad looks like in college. I'm like thanks for showing me that. But yeah they were a cute couple. I look back at their pictures and they look like the classic like 90s couple. What was it like when you found out that you were gonna have a

granddaughter? Your first granddaughter? We didn't. I didn't know that it was a granddaughter did you? Maybe you knew but I didn granddaughter. I didn't know that it was a granddaughter, did you? Maybe you knew, but I didn't. You didn't know that I was a girl? No. Well, they told my parents I was a boy. I don't know. Did you know that? It wasn't until a final appointment. That's right, they knew.

I think your mom was really sad about it, actually. She was really sad, because they wanted a girl, and then one of the last appointments, they're like, you know what you're having, right? When she had an ultrasound, she was like, yeah, boy. And they're like, nope, it's a girl. And they were so shocked and really happy about that. Well, I really wanted a girl because after having two boys,

I was hoping to have a little girl in the family. That's sweet. Grandma was like, I had all girls, but that's fun. What was that like holding Abby for the first time? You're gonna make me cry. It's awesome. Sweet. I took that half day off from school

and I was so looking forward to it. This is terrible. Oh, it's okay. Can I give you a hug? Give me a hug. No, I want a Kleenex. A Kleenex would be better. Right there behind the corner.

Oh gosh. I got you. It's okay. I cry all the time. This is where I get it from, Matt, by the way. I'm so sorry. This makes sense because I've told Abbiess, I feel like is in a way a carp and clone of you Vicky like I Don't say that

So it kind of is not that but She was a blessing There's more detail to that but we're not going into that. Yeah. Yeah, she was a blessing. I took that, I was so excited. I took a half day off school because I would have taken the whole day but your mother was going to be induced like at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, wasn't it? Your memory is the memory that you had.

Oh, I remember that. Yes, I definitely remember that. And I thought, well I shouldn't take the whole day off, but I'll take a half. And I couldn't, oh, my feet weren't even touching the ground when I left for school that day. And we went to the hospital and waited a long time, didn't we? How old were you guys when you became grandparents?

Oh my gosh, well, let's see. Let's do the math. I can do the math on this. Well Abby, you're 25. You were? 45, you were 45. No, 55. I'm quite a bit older than her.

Like 50 and 55? 55 and 51, right? No, I am like four years older than her at least, aren't I? Something like that. Diane, what was that like holding Abby for the first time? Realizing that you're a grandparent. It is just magical. You know, I mean, it is.

You can't describe that. Yeah. It's just. Were you there when I was born? Of course. Like in the hospital room. We were in the waiting room. It's so interesting being on the other side of it

because I know when Abby was giving birth, especially for like, Augie was so fast because of C-section, but for Griffin, it was a lot. It was pretty, very intense, especially with the shoulder dystocia. There was a lot of blood, but like it's interesting. It's like still working through the trauma.

It's true, Matt. Let's just put it there. But like when you're on the other side of it, I felt so bad for Abigail, my sister-in-law. Her dad, I could just tell, was so weird. We were in the waiting room for a long time with CJ. We were in the waiting room for my nephew. We didn't even get to see him.

Yeah, because of how intense, you know, there was a mercy C-section for her birth. That's so scary. I don't envy the grandparents in the waiting room. I mean, it's sweet, but it's so nerve-racking. It's intense. Yeah, it's nerve-wracking. Yeah. Did you expect us to get pregnant when we did? Did you guys see that coming or was that a shock? Because Abby was... Wait, we should start at the beginning. When we started dating, what were your first impressions of Matt? Oh, I liked Matt. Be brutally honest. I liked Matt. He can take it.

It's okay. We know that you called me a narcissist Be brutally honest. I liked Matt. He can take it. It's okay, we know that you called me a narcissist at one point, it's okay, we can get over that. I remember the first time I saw you at the Muni, and you were such a cute guy, and you were of the same personality and talent and all, and that was a dream come true. And you know, I was in St. Louis at the hotel

for your first date, and I can remember lying awake and you know, I gotta find out how this went. Oh my gosh, you were awake. We were talking about you a long time before the date. You were talking to your grandmas about me? I'm pretty sure. I've been talking about you for a long time. A long time before you actually had a date.

Yeah, because your think because your mother Told me about she says there's this great guy that would make a great guy for Abby. He's handsome He there they have some so many similarities. They both love acting and and he's outgoing like Abdi Abby and everything You know, I mean for years And she told us about you. Oh, this was for years before I even asked Abby on a date? At least two years. Oh, it was a while. A while, yeah.

A year or two. Yeah. How did you guys feel about the guys that Abby had been on dates with in the past? I know she had been on a few dates before me. I wasn't her first. They were nice kids. They were nice.

Grandma was like, I'm not gonna bash them. I know, there was nothing to bash about them. There really weren't that many. No, she just had dates for special occasions, but nothing serious. I just had dates for fun. Yeah. Like prom and homecoming.

Just to keep it fun. I thought it was funny how you like, completely turned guys down when they asked to kiss you. You just said, no. No. You just said no. They wouldn't, I would tell, they wouldn't even ask, I wouldn't let them get that far. It was like before we got on a date I'd be like

by the way we're not gonna kiss. Just don't even try. Why was I like that? Because I had these ladies in my corner, they're like no, we're too good for that. That's funny. So then what did you think about us getting married when we did? Well, I knew your parents were very concerned about that. And actually, we were kind of on your side, but we didn't really want to try to promote, you know, something. The bad influence. Well, not bad, but I mean, we didn't want to... But you came to our house for us to tell, you know, tell us how bad it was, you know that things weren't going so well

Yeah, and um, we did think you were very young and really kind of preferred that you would finish college before you got married We thought that was what you should really do. But you know, it really wasn't our decision We were a couple generations Places the grim hurt because I'm so close with my like with both of you so I would like confide in you but then you're in a tough place because you know You're allowed to have your own opinions, of course, and I like would go to you both for advice but then also like

There's the parents first and you were both very respectful of that there's the parents first, and you were both very respectful of that. But you're probably like, okay, why is my granddaughter getting married younger than I did two generations later? Probably crazy. And younger than her parents did too. Yep, younger than, yeah, I got married younger

than both my grandparents and my parents. And your parents. I guess I was a rebel, you could say. We were rebels. Apparently. Breaking were rebels. Breaking the rules. It worked. It did.

Yeah, I think that from the outside, probably life stage-wise, it's a natural transition. Graduate from college, then get married. But when you meet your partner so young then it doesn't necessarily always fit that life stage too. You made it work. Yeah. Well then how did you feel about your son-in-law, grandson-in-law driving out of college? Let's talk about that. I got a thumping of the bus there. That one probably hurt more than getting married. I wish that you would have, but you know,

it's obvious that it wasn't necessary. He was close. I decided it's a lot better on this one than at the time. Yes, yes, true, very true. Obviously, like you say, it worked, but it would have been my choice. That wasn't the thing you brought up at your women's groups.

Like, oh, by the way, Abby's husband, Matt dropped out of college. No, you kind of left that one on said, remember, Diane, I think you were trying to talk me into being a pilot after I dropped out of college or something. And I was thinking, you know, that would have been a good idea. I don't think she understands the opportunity there is here with TikTok, you know, this is, that's probably true. We had no clue. No clue. Yeah. Yeah. I remember when you first started doing it, you got, oh, you got a free pizza. Well, that's nice.

No, you got some free Mexican food. Some Mexican, some Mexican franchise. Oh yeah. Remember? I thought, well, that's nice. Shout out to Mo's. I had no clue how it could go from there. Oh, I was thrilled.

I was like, we're getting paid. You got a burrito door dash to our house. To make a TikTok video? It was the craziest thing. It just didn't make any sense. Didn't you know that would happen? I thought it would, but I didn't think it would happen that fast. And then I didn't think it would become, I thought it'd be like a side hustle. Like, you know how people, like teachers will

work as a teacher and then they'll make some side income to support. In the summer they do something else. Yeah, they'll do sales for something. Fun money. Or like what, like Mary Kay was a big thing, I think probably in your generation, like selling makeup. So people would have like a side hustle that they do. So in my head, like the social media thing was a side hustle. And yeah, so that was bonkers to me. Was that so weird for you guys?

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Yeah, those are always fun. Do you find that it's hard to describe to your friends what we do for work? Yes, it is. Our friends, I'll say, well, you know, they have a lot of followers so they can kind of be like, they're like good advertisers and that makes a lot of money to do that and I know my hairdresser Chris he doesn't get it. He doesn't get it? Yeah, how do you explain, talk to me more about how you explain what your granddaughter does to your friends. I don't think I explain it very well. Yeah. I just say that they do TikToks, YouTube and Instagram.

Well, of course, young people are very familiar with that, but older people don't quite get it. It depends totally on who you're talking to, what age they are. If they're under a certain age, I mean, this is, well, they probably are, at this point, they know who you are anyway. But that's so wild. Have you ever been noticed from being in our YouTube videos? A couple of times.

Who recognized you and where was it? Just recently, I was in Dollar General and this really sweet young woman the same age as Abby said something to me. I saw her smile at me in the parking lot and I thought, I already smiled back. I thought, what a friendly, sweet girl. And then in the store she came up to me and she said, you're Abby's grandma, aren't you? I said, yes, I am. And she went on, she said, I went to school with her and she told me your name and that she liked you a lot and she followed you. Remember I told you about her? Yeah, I remember her. Uh-huh. That's funny. Yeah, and then one time I was in the grocery store

and just a very young girl came up to me and said something about seeing me on something and then there's been people at my church have told me so And Diane, I think there was a time where you were subbing, you were substitute teaching at a school. What happened there? And just like within the last five years or whatever. And yeah, it's my claim to fame because they knew who you, I don't know how they knew the connection. Are they, maybe you had been there, you know, before.

And anyway, they all looked up all these things on YouTube and all and were playing them. And yeah, I had no problem. Yeah, and you made a video for them. Well, they sent us cards. It was so sweet. It was a seventh grade class, right? Or was it multiple grades?

That was a seventh grade class. Okay. And they all made us cards, handwritten. This was up in Lombard. Yeah, and then we made a video thanking the class that you were sending for. I think one of the seventh graders' cards was like, I don't know who you guys are, but I just looked you up on YouTube and that's awesome, I'm with your grandma. I was like, thank you, buddy.

He's like, I don't know, I'm just here, but I wanna write a card. Really sweet. To get your fame from your grandchildren is an interesting situation. I'm all for it, don't get me wrong, but it's just kind of unusual. I remember. But I had no problem with any discipline in class, I'll tell you what, or they would do anything,

anything I'd want if I'd promise to give you a message or maybe have you send them a little video or something. I'd be happy to'd promise to you know give you a message or maybe have you have you send them a little video or something. I'd be happy to do it anytime so to make your life easier. They're good kids. Is it so weird you know looking back at how schools have changed from when you taught in the 70s 80s it's so different now and you mentioned those kids and how they're looking stuff up on their phones during class, like, did you ever see any of that coming? Like, did you ever think, you know, 40 years ago,

50 years ago, that this is how the world would be? Of course not. I have a 10-year-old grandson, and I follow him. Currently, I'm following him. His teacher posts almost everyday pictures and things that are going on in their class. And I get it on my laptop, I follow him. I could on my phone, but I'm not set up to do that.

So I watch him on laptop. And I just love all the things they do now. I wish I'd known about these things. For instance, we know, we all, we had the kids sit at desks for the most part and then a lot of teachers went to the tables. I never really did. I pushed desks together but I still wanted to have their stuff in their desk instead of having them in a cubby. I wasn't really doing it the way they like, but but I like the way my grandson's class and his sister and brother before him,

I followed them whenever their teacher, it was their choice, you know, whether or not they post this information. But they just, they can sit almost anywhere they want, any way they want. Sometimes there are kids who get really, you know, have energy. They can go and jump on a trampoline or something to kind of get their energy. Just wonderful ideas like that. Those are all new to me. Did you, were you familiar with those? No.

Alternative, I think they call it alternative seating in school. Oh, yeah. I've seen that. And I really wasn't familiar with it. And then I just saw something not too long ago. They were doing a math sheet. And she turned the lights off in the room, and they could use flashlights to do their math.

Just fun ways to do things. That's cute. I can't even begin to describe all the fun. That's nice of the teacher to post that. That's a whole lot of work to keep that updated. Yeah, it is a lot of work. She posts that and puts little sentences under it explaining what they're doing and takes several pictures and you can just see you know hoping you'll see your grandson in one of the pictures and

so it's It's really neat. Well grandma. You were also an entrepreneur True owned a business you did that for most For 13 years. Yeah for almost about as much time as you taught right? and For 13 years. Yeah, for almost about as much time as you taught. Right, right, right. And that's cool. Grandma owned a learning supply store called Learning Express. Learning Adventures. Learning Adventures, what the heck?

How did you forget? I don't know how I forgot Learning. I spent time, I remember Learning Adventures. I was actually a customer of hers. You were a customer. Yeah. Very cool. The teachers would go.

It was great because you could look and see, instead of ordering, I don't like to order things, I like to see what I'm buying. I loved that they had the store where you could go and see. Yeah, Grandma, you should talk about learning adventures. And you used to come and sit on the counter. Yeah. And look at all the pencils.

We had all the. I loved the pencils. You were pretty small when we sold, finally, I guess. I still remember it though, because I remember you guys doing the inventory, and they would just go and count everything. Literally. Literally, we did a lot of things by hand.

By hand. That aren't done by hand anymore. Yeah, and I thought I was helping by counting the pencils and stuff, but definitely wasn't helping. And teachers would go because teachers would have to use their own money to buy some of the school supplies.

Well, they probably still do, but yes, lots of money. And teachers would go because teachers would have to use their own money to buy some of the school supplies. Well they probably still do, but yes, lots of money. But also, I know in our public school system, we were allotted, each teacher was allotted so much money for supplies, like getting ready for the next year maybe. And I would go there and get stuff for my next school year. You guys also, they also had like educational toys. Like core memories from going to grandma's house growing up is we played that game, Sum Swamp.

I still have it. It's a good one. It's a math like board game. Like I feel like, I mean I was raised by elementary educators and like people like with like that cared about curriculum and educational games. My mom was a teacher too. I was raised by that stuff. I know any educational game.

Leap frogs, big deal. I just remember all that stuff. It was a no-brainer in my mind when I was switching out of acting. I know what it looks like to be a teacher or like to be like educational resources. It's sweet seeing how your grandmas look at you because you can just tell they adore you. It's true. It's sweet.

That is true. Maybe that's why I'm so confident, Matt. I have them, like, my, the best cheerleaders ever. Yeah, no, it's so, it's so cool though because like they've seen you grow up from the time you were literally a baby and you had to hold you the day you were born so it's so cool though because like they've seen you grow up from the time you were literally a baby You have to hold you the day you were born. So it's really sweet to see that. They were great. I remember you picking me up from preschool and grandma like we just like had so many like traditions and also like growing up

Grandma, we would go on like trips as a family. I feel like that like that was like foundational for my like love of travel. And like the way that that can bond a family like that was like, oh, I want to do that with my own family and like make memories and we still are doing that. And so that's really cool. Well, tell me more about Abby though, because I know Abby was speaking at like competitions and events when she was 12 and working alongside the mayor of Quincy to help like open the bridge. She opened the new bridge that it's so colorful and beautiful and vibrant. I mean, tell me

about this girl because you guys probably thought she was going to be the president one day. I mean, she's still good. She really still could be, but you know, that must have been really cool to see your granddaughter just go out and do so much at such a young age. I think community theater was kind of her launching pad for that kind of thing. Yeah.

Yeah, she was in the best Christmas pageant ever. She and her brother, were you like seven and five? Yeah, Blake was in kindergarten. Because I remember growing up, I was so mad that my mom didn't start me as young as Blake. I was like, you should have started me at kindergarten. I was behind when I got into theater, which obviously. It didn't obviously make any difference.

Just on your phone, how pictures pop up of past memories sometimes. And it had some of your Goony Bird green stuff on there. Oh, I know. I've got that book of her. And that was just amazing what you could do. It was. How old were you? She was 9 years old, fourth grade. I was in fourth grade.

Fourth grade. Yes. The memorization of those lines. The whole script, the whole play you were in. I think I saw every performance. And you were so good. I'm sure I did too. It was just awesome. It really was. It was so good.

And then Abby makes it into the Muni, the oldest and largest outdoor musical theater in North America. That must have been a really big deal for you guys. It was. You're living in this small town and she drove up for the auditions. What was going through your mind when you heard that she made it into this theater? But not for all those, how many weeks did you rehearse? And you had to be in St. Louis for all that.

And so that was really a commitment for you and for your mother. Mostly for my mom. One play for, how many was it? Four years in a row. Four years in a row. And yeah, we knew somebody in Quincy who had season tickets to the Muny

and your mom would make arrangements for us to get them and pay him back for them. So we could have, is it called box seats right in the front? Because I remember the first performance we were back away. I can't see her. You know, first, first, first. He had to look quick. You didn't have big roles.

The last one you had quite a few. When you were a flying monkey and all that. My big debut. Yeah. That was a lot. That was fun. I mean, I first started dating. The Muni is an awesome place to go.

There's nothing like outdoor theater in the summertime there. Oh, it's the best place in the world. Go and sweat a little. You should be a part of their marketing team. I mean, you could. It's wonderful. But I think it's incredible. a little. You should be a part of their marketing team. I mean, you can... It's wonderful. But I think it's incredible. Like, my grandparents were road tripping to see me in, like, 30 seconds of the show every single year. They made a priority, got a hotel, probably went more than once. I think we stay with Mike and Jen.

Yeah. Well, no, I think you did get a hotel sometimes because the shows were late, but I had so much support and so many people. So many cheerleaders growing up. It was fun. It really was. And now. Did you ever have to, I don't know, discipline Abby as a kid

or was she always just a good kid? Was she always just good to the good kid? She was good kid. To her soul. No, I didn't have to discipline her. That's not true. I'm sure you're disciplining. Like maybe.

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Back to, you know, being inside a vehicle at that time. Did you ever get into any accidents without a seatbelt on since seatbelts weren't a thing? Was that, that must've been pretty uncomfortable. Yeah, grandma, you did and you were pregnant. Oh yes, I was. I was, it wasn't a very fast moving. I was on State Street, somebody bumped me from behind

and when I got out of the car, I was pretty far along and the guy behind me was just scared to death. Are you all right? Oh my gosh. Yeah, he was scared. He could see a belly? belly like he was aware that you were pregnant. Yeah. Oh That is a big about nine months. Oh, no. Well as He was born a little bit early. So I was about as far as I was gonna get I think I think it was like the week before he was born and

Then the man it was very concerned for me but I was okay. I think my car was too. Well, how fast were you going though when you hit you? Not fast at all. Okay. I feel like that's probably one of the worst things you could do is hit a pregnant woman. I mean, that's awful. That's pretty bad. It's a wonder any of us made it to adulthood the way car safety was. Do you remember lying up in the back window of the car? Yes, I do.

You know, there was a shelf back there between the window and the, and we used to take turns riding up there. You could look out the back. That was true. That was a lot of fun. You just take a nap in the car, no seatbelt or anything. Cars were really bigger on the inside,

because I can remember being down in the, playing, I mean, being on the floor, sitting on the floorboard. Oh yeah, and then we'd go on vacation, we always had a station wagon, we'd put the seats down, and we always slept, I mean, that was just typical, you know, you just slept, you know, with your sleeping bags back there.

We didn't have a station wagon, but we would, my dad would try to drive through, we just went to Tennessee, and we would try to drive through in one day to get there, so we wouldn't be staying in hotels. We did too. Well, you, I know you and your family would go up to Alaska in a camper, right? Well, yes, we did once. We drove all the way to Alaska.

And wasn't there a situation where you were sliding off a cliff on a glacier and you thought you were going to die? Yeah, you ask my daughters and they think their life was about over. Yeah, it just started sliding down. And no seat belts, so. And no, well, it wouldn't have helped you. Yeah, exactly. Well, we'll save you at that point.

To this day, if we're ever, like even remotely close to a mountain. Just driving next to one. Mom's like, I hate this. This is unsafe. This is harder for life, I'm sure. She's like, this is unsafe. We're like, to drive next to it.

Yeah, Lori is always so uncomfortable with mountains because I think it's that situation where you guys are on that glacier in Alaska that scarred her for life. Yeah, I have to remind her, I'm like, I'm going the speed limit, I'm driving safe, I'm not gonna do anything, but. You know what's funny is that I remember when I was pregnant

with Gertrude and Auggie, like me working out, I think initially was kind of like, it was so different from when you guys were probably pregnant. It wasn't the advice to basically lay as low as possible. I don't remember me working out in those days, pregnant or not, I don't remember working out very much. Was fitness not a big, as big?

No, I walked a lot, I walked a lot. I would push Matt in a stroller around the neighborhood a lot Did they discourage you guys from going to the gym or doing any sort of fitness where they say hey don't I don't think anybody was going to a gym I don't remember anybody going to a gym Yeah, I think the culture on fitness and like female fitness has definitely changed a lot It has. But wasn't jazzercise a thing in the 70s? That was huge, right?

All these fitness, like people in neon leotards with leggings. What was it, Jane Fonda? Oh yeah, but that was at home. Yeah. Let you put it on your DVD or whatever. What's funny is I've seen those and they're like, this woman is so, like so muscular.

And it's like a thin woman now. Like people, people just weren't used to seeing women with like, that were strong, you know, with muscles. I don't think it was like encouraged like it is now in a way. It's true. Probably not. Yeah, cause I remember actually,

I saw this was like the first female bodybuilder and it was like a fit woman but like now with this strength like people women can really put on a lot of muscle now but they were like I think it was like discouraged more than do you remember the grapefruit diet we did some research on diets of the past I've heard of that before really and apparently I think this is all made up but apparently the enzymes or whatever in the grapefruit were supposed to help your body metabolize food faster.

Was that ever something that you tried out? I don't even know people really knowing the science about, behind those fad diets. Did you guys ever do a fad diet? Sure. Probably. I don't remember the grapefruit. I remember hearing about the grapefruit diet, but I don't remember doing it. I was in tops clubs a couple times with tops clubs

What was this the line you have a mantra you had to say your fitness class we had we had a thing we said Say can you recite it? I don't think so the boys My boys can because they went with me to it. You don't remember it? I had to take them. I mean it wasn't like I was going to get a babysitter for a tops club so they went with me to tops club. What does tops stand for? Take off pounds sensibly. Okay Matt, this mantra was like so toxic. It was like what a fool I've been. My excess poundage is on display for the world to see. Yeah. Wait, okay. Say it. Say it. You know what? You probably could Google it. What can you remember of the mantra? We'll Google it right now to

see if you can pull it up. You said it's called TAPS? I am an intelligent person. I will not use food to satisfy my frustrated desires, build up my injured ego or dull my senses. Something like that. I hope that you still remember it. It's pretty amazing too. My dad may remember it. And I'm like wow talk about toxic diet culture. It's still a thing. There's still a tops.org. It's a website. Oh really?

I'm sure it's evolved. Tops pledge. I'm sure they've rebranded to be less um. Toxic. Yeah. Hopefully they have learned a lot of, see they do know the science. Just like you talk about those, I don't think anybody knew the science behind those dyes, do you? I don't ever remember learning the science behind anything I tried. No, Matt, grandma had to be a part of a club where you had to pay if you didn't lose weight. Really? Yeah. Wow.

I think you did. They're pussy. Something like that. Yeah, like you had to weigh in and if you weren't weighing in at your weight, you had to pay. Really? Grandma, you had to. Did you ever pay?

Did that ever happen to you? Probably. Well, yeah, I'm sure I did. Well, I mean, I don't think it was very much. It was just probably a few cents or something. I mean, it wasn't a big amount of money. That's so funny. No, I was cracking up because the amount of times I've heard Abby's dad say,

my ex's poundage is on display for the world to see. What a fool I've been. Here it is. It's from 1954. I am an intelligent person. I will control my emotions, not let my emotions control me. Every time I am tempted to use food

to satisfy my frustrated desires, build up my injured ego, or dull my senses, I will remember, even though I eat in private, my ex-poundage is there for all the world to see. What a fool I've been. Oh wow.

Wow, other times have changed. They have. Oh my gosh. That is, I cannot imagine something like that existing. And then you took your kids to it and you're like, this is good for them. Did it work? Well, kept me from getting obese. No, that's crazy. I wonder when, I mean, it's still a thing, I guess.

Like, tops is still a thing. Mostly you were counting calories. Interesting. You were counting calories. I even remember that as a kid though, because I don't think they have these anymore. Remember those 100 calorie packs? Sure.

They had snacks that were portioned out into 100 calories. Popcorn and all kinds of things. Yeah, honestly they tasted really good. I would just have to eat three of them before I felt any. I think some people still count calories today. No, yeah, yeah, yeah.

For sure. But I just think that people have maybe reworked, I guess mostly how that kind of can, maybe it's just not a way to like educate children on food and health overall. Shouldn't beat yourself up about it. Definitely shouldn't be, maybe you should call yourself what a fool I am.

I know, I know. Even though I eat in private, my ex is pound inches on display. And I look like the two of you, I will be so happy when I'm a great grandma. Because you guys, you move great, you look great. I talk to you guys like friends, so you're very like with it grandmas. You're fun grandmas.

Well we do. I certainly do. I love shopping with both of you. Do you remember your grandma? Oh yeah. I love shopping with both of you. Do you remember your grandma? Oh yeah. I love shopping with you guys too. I don't feel like I'm as old as my grandma was when she was like 65 or something. Oh I know it. Women of that age, like my grandma, Nelson,

she, well she had a lot of kids. They didn't all survive. She had a rough life really. They didn't all survive. She had a rough life, really. I mean, it was hard. I mean, they did everything from scratch. At least my grandma did. I mean. Even your mom did.

They worked hard. They worked hard. They did. So was that pretty counter-cultural for both of you to be in the workplace? Cause it sounds like both of your moms probably were at home with the kids while their husbands worked a job outside of the home.

I think when you're raised by parents like that, they want you to get an education. Were you the first women in your families to get a college education? Well, in my immediate family I was. Really? Wow. You weren't, Grandma? My mother had a junior college degree at least. Do you feel like? And then the war broke out and that changed everything

World War II. Wow. How old were you during World War II? You had to be really young. Well I was born in 44 so that was kind of, the war was still going on but it was about, it was toward the end of it. Mm-hmm.

I guess through your life, do you feel like you've seen women's rights, this is kind of a deep question, but I'm just curious, have you seen women's rights change a lot throughout your life? Or do you feel like they're still? Yes, absolutely. Oh, absolutely.

Yeah, they've changed, that's for sure. Like in what ways? Do you think it's good progress? Hmm, I kind of I kind of I Remember the burning of the bras. Oh, yeah, that's true. Wait, what is the burning of the bras? I don't know what that is I don't know. What was that? Just the beginning of the feminist movement. Oh like saying I don't need a bra I can just wear a shirt with no bra. I think it was more symbolic. It was like symbolic, not like any restraint. Well I mean I know it's pretty progressive but when you really think about it it is weird that men are allowed to be shirtless but women aren't. Like legally. What?

Well, cause like I've always never worn a shirt. I don't consider that a problem. I don't know, but it's kind of interesting though. Like yeah, why is it that men don't have to have shirts and women, like it's illegal, right? I think he just means the fact that it's punishable by law. Yeah, like more so than a cultural thing, right? I don't know, I can't even remember.

I can't even believe you're asking that question. Maybe you're gonna have to push it again. Why don't you? Sorry, back to the burning of the bras. Let's talk back about that. But I mean, certainly the opportunities for women have multiplied tremendously since I was a young woman. Yeah. Definitely. And pay and just. multiplied tremendously since I was a young woman.

And pay and just. And pay and just. Opportunities. Yeah, opportunities. I mean, you just had so many more, well I don't know what I'm saying here. But when I was in high school, I remember thinking, well do I want to be a nurse

or do I want to be a teacher? Yeah, exactly. I didn't really see any other. Oh, that was it. I didn't see other opportunities for women. You couldn't be an engineer. If you wanted to be a female engineer, that wasn't really the thing.

No, I never heard of a woman engineer. Really, I didn't. There may have been. I'm sure there were. But I didn't know any. But I didn't know. I didn't certainly know any. If you didn't want to go to college,

then maybe you could be a secretary, you know, but that's like three paths. Yeah, secretary. But that's about all I can remember women being. I remember I went to a school at Western Illinois University. It was very much of an agricultural school because that's an agricultural area. But at that time, but I mean, there were no, I'm pretty sure there were no women in the agriculture department. But now I have a great

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hair. NutriFold.com spelled N-U-T-R-A-F-O-L.com promo code unplanned. That's Nutri-Full.com promo code unplanned. Correct me if I'm wrong, but grandma, I feel like I remember you saying that like, if you could go back, I remember when I was talking, talking about baby names with you for Griffin and Augie,

I was just like thinking about, having a conversation about baby names. But I feel like I remember you saying something about how you thought it might be if it was, like if you had to go back and name your daughter something more gender neutral, it might have been advantageous like on a job application or something like that.

That's probably true, but I don't remember saying that or thinking that. I feel like I remember you saying that. And I was like, that's interesting that you thought that because you were coming from a different era, whereas like I was raised like was like, that's interesting that you thought that because you were coming from a different era, whereas I was raised thinking girls can do whatever boys can do, you know? That was kind of the big message to me growing up.

And so I thought that was just, I don't know, more of a symbol that we had been raised in different eras. And that was cool that you, I don't know, thought of that. Maybe I did. I forgot, I forgot. I do tend to like, and that was like cool that you I don't know thought of that maybe I did and I do like I do tend to like and I was like man I probably got that from my grandma like tend to like gender-neutral names. Vicki was being a teacher because you had that role model in your life was that always your dream it's like what do you want to be when you grow up a teacher was that what you

always said as a kid? I kind of think so yeah it was yeah I used to like to play school and and Diane was that was that what you would say? I kind of think so. Yeah it was. Yeah I used to like to play school and... And Diane was that what you would say to people? I liked school a lot when I was a kid. I loved school. I loved my teachers. I don't know if they loved me as much as I loved them. They were pretty strict. They were strict. You know teachers were pretty strict when I went to school. How so? I don't remember ever being hugged by a teacher when I was, you know, really they just didn't do that. I think you guys grew up in a much more cutthroat time than we did.

And I think it was much different from my, even my dad, I remember him, he had some, I remember he admired his teachers very much. They were really respected in the community. And if you got in trouble in school, you were gonna get in trouble at home too, because they really respected the teachers. And you did not ever disrespect the teacher. That has really changed.

Yeah. What was your dream job, or your idea of what you wanted to be? I never knew what I wanted to do. I still don't know what I wanted to do. But I always loved school know what I wanted to do. But I always loved school and I loved learning and it just fell in like that. Grandma, she can do a lot of really,

she did so many things. She made games, she published games. Well I always knew when we first started dating, your grandma was the tech lady. She's techy. I was like, how is your grandma, your grandma's on Facebook, she was friending me on Facebook like the week after we started dating. She's tech lady. I was like, how is your grandma, your grandma's on Facebook, she was friending me on Facebook

like the week after we started dating. She's techy, she is good with travel, and she made games. If we would have ever broken up, I would have been screwed because your grandma would have come after me on Facebook, I would have been done for. That's me, yeah.

Yeah, that's not like them at all. She's really good. No, I did writing. I published some things, things and have done some things in different areas, you know, and I like it all. But is there any one thing I should have done and really narrowed my vision? And I still don't know that.

I feel like you also love products. Coming up with a product and an invention, I feel like you and your brother kinda like that too. We always called her the gadget grandma because she would come up with a product and like an invention. I feel like you and your brother kind of like that too. Like we always called her the gadget grandma because she would come up with gadgets for things. My brother invented things. I just like to buy. Yeah, you're like, I'm a consumer. Like Shark Tank. You're like, I'm gonna buy that. That's cool. Do you think that in our modern world we need a little bit more of that strictness that you guys have when you were kids? It sounds like teachers in school was a lot more hardcore. It was more black and white. It wasn't as, oh you're not feeling well,

go jump on the trampoline in the, you know, relax room, whatever. Like it seemed like it was very hardcore. Do you think it's good that we're moving towards this more understanding empathetic culture? Oh definitely. Okay. Definitely. What do you think were the problems that the- It all comes from the home. Yeah. It all stems from the home and unfortunately American family is just not what it used to be. So you think things have gotten worse than they were back in the day? I'm no expert. Yeah. It feels that way.

I guess your perception, how you feel. It feels that way. How you feel. That's so fascinating. Part of it is the schools that I taught in. I get what you're saying. But your mother, you should have her on the podcast about... She's a very tough guest to get on.

I'm always afraid to have family on the podcast. I'm always afraid to have family on the podcast. I'm always afraid to have family on the podcast. I'm always afraid to have family on the podcast. I'm always afraid to have family on the podcast. I'm always afraid to have family on the podcast. I'm always afraid to have family on the podcast. I'm always afraid to have family on the podcast. I'm always afraid to have family on the podcast. I'm always afraid to have family on the podcast. I mother, you should have her on the podcast about... She's a very tough guest to get on.

I'm always afraid to have family on the podcast because I want to protect them. So I'm like, everyone be nice to my grandmas. Yeah, how do you feel if you... Do you ever see... Have you ever seen a mean comment towards us? You don't... You try not to look. Oh, probably.? Oh yeah.

I have, but I don't look too often. How does it make you feel? I was like, oh yeah. Terrible. Yeah, I don't want anybody saying anything against my grandchildren. I know, I don't like it. That's why I don't look.

And most of it isn't true. I know, it's just somebody's blenching out for whatever reason. That's honestly the main reason why I hate the negative comments, because I'm like, I feel like someone that cares about me, like my grandmas or other family, I'm like, ugh, that's gonna hurt them for more than me,

because that's why I'm like, oh my gosh, I've never won a read for you. I don't. Don't look, I always tell them, do not look. Oh, you know your mom reads all those. She screenshots some of the symptoms, and she's like, please block this person. I'm like, mom, why are you in the comments anyway? But that's

so funny. I know sometimes I've been tempted to comment them and I think, well, no, don't do that. Have you ever gotten into a social media battle with somebody over comments? No, I had a restraining order on Facebook. Oh, that's right, you did. Did you have her password? I was logged in on your Facebook for a cover too. Oh, that's right, you did. Did you have her password or what'd you do? I was logged in on your Facebook for a period of time. Really? Well, I think she created a second account or there was somebody that had it.

It was the political stuff. I was like, grandma, we gotta. I know, I have to really, I really try to cool it. I can. No, you're good, you're good. Diane, have you gotten political on your Facebook page before? No, I never get, I never put, post anything, anybody that knows me thinks I don't like them or something because I don't know why, but I am so opposite of you guys in some respects and that's one of them.

I'm very private. Yeah. Yes. And don't put anything on. What's a historical event that have, sorry, I'm a weird history nerd, so I like to ask questions like this, but like, what's a historical event that you can look back on and you remember where you were,

you remember what you were doing, you know the time it was? 9-11. 9-11. Of course. Where were you? I was teaching. I was in the, I was in the, it was recess and we were in the basement of the school where the

restrooms are, monitoring kids, and one of my colleagues came up to me and said that I, a passenger plane has been, what was her word, has been, what was the word for? Flew into the twin towers or flew into one of the towers? Hijacked. Hijacked. Hijacked, okay. A passenger plane has been hijacked and flown into one of the trade center buildings. And I just remember, I thought, I remember, I just remember those,

I'm trying to comprehend those words that she just said to me. I thought, how just remember those, I'm trying to comprehend those words that she just said to me. How could that be? And I remember, it was just shocking to all of us. And as soon as there was a, well then that was recess, I think they put a TV on in the resource center and we all went in there and were watching and we were just stunned. I don't know how else to express it, just stunned.

What is going on in this world that this could happen? It was just stunning. And where were you? Was that something that you remember where you were? I was at the store at the time and I remember too that my son-in-law is a pilot and he was gonna be in New York at that time. And that was a double scare. And I ended up calling him, probably I shouldn't have,

while he was on the plane. But I was just so worried and he was okay of course. But yeah, it was a terrible time. Terrible time. Don't you wish that those memories that we can all recall so easily that are just drilled into our brain, wish it could be a positive thing you know? I feel like when you ask people what a historical event was they they say 9-11 or some people say JFK.

I remember that too. I know right where I was. I do too. Where were you when JFK was assassinated? Was that in the 60s? Yeah, it would have been like... 63, was it? A 64, maybe 64, 63, 64.

So you were about our age. I remember, yeah, I was in the... I was a student. I was in high school, and I was in the locker room after PE class. I mean, you know, to say remember where you were, I was in high school and I was in the locker room after PE class. I mean, you know, to say remember where you were, I remember where my locker was and where I was standing, you know, when it came across the PA system.

That must have been terrifying. You hear the president is assassinated. Did you think the whole country was going to go into turmoil? You didn't know. It was a very scary time. I was getting ready to make an observation. I was in college at the lab school. My college had a school where it was just a regular school, but it was used for teacher training. And I was waiting to make an observation. I just was observing the body language of people.

I remember there was a science teacher who had a cart with all of his science paraphernalia on it. And he was probably go from class to class to teach. And there was a janitor. And they were, they stopped and they talked and wanted to, shook his head back and forth and I thought, I just could tell there was something wrong. I thought, what is going on here? And then finally somebody came up to me and told me that the president had been shot.

I don't remember if I knew that he'd died yet or not. I don't think he, he didn't die right away. I think he was later in the hospital. Well, I think he might have died but he wasn't pronounced it. Yeah. I think he was pretty gone. I'm sorry. But yeah, it was and then I just so happened I had a history class after that. I had a history class after that. That to go and of course that's all the history teacher was talking about. We were just we didn't do any, obviously we did nothing about school, just talking about that.

And I think it was a Friday, wasn't it? It's so interesting because now events like that, there's so much conversation because of social media. I feel like it kinda changes, I mean it changes a lot of things for these major events that happen and the discussion afterwards. I know where I was when someone attempted to assassinate Trump. Yeah.

And I feel like I'll always remember that and I think what's interesting is we you know, obviously the election just happened. There was a lot of people that were fearful of what things would look like on both sides. People on both sides were scared of the candidate they didn't want getting elected because of, you know, fear of something happening. And I find it so interesting that both you ladies lived through the Vietnam War, the Cold War, assassinations on presidents, like so many things happened. And here you are, you know, and you guys didn't even have,

you didn't have car seats when you brought your kids home from the hospital and somehow it all worked out and I feel like that kind of gives me- Their generation is tougher than our generation. Yeah, maybe your generation is tougher than ours but it kind of gives me hope. I'm like, hey, they survived, they were able to make it, you know, and look at the beautiful life they've lived and the beautiful children and grandchildren they've gotten to have. So I think that's really. I wanna ask them what it was like to become great grandparents. Aw, that's sweet.

Cause I am selfishly so grateful that my kids are the first for both, like, cause I was the first, I knew what it felt like to be the first grandchild on both sides, I was like, it was the best. So I want that for my kids too, so it's kind of in a race, but what was it like? You know, except that it made me feel bad that I should be old enough to be a Greek.

I was wondering if there was that in there too. But you know, it just made me think, everybody's waiting, not everybody obviously, so many people are waiting to have children until they're in their 30s or whatever. And what a blessing it is to be able to enjoy those kids. I mean, it's just fantastic. It's a blessing for them. I'm so like, they don't even know how good they have it. They have so many people to love. They have so many grandmas. And do. They have so many grandmas. And, um, like, not even just like, you guys are great grandmas that are on the floor playing with the kids.

Like, you're sitting on the ground crisscross applesauce with them, so involved, picking them up, and they are heavy kids. Don't pick them up very easily. But, like, you're so sprightly and good with them. Like, it's not like, I don't know. Like I say, the kids are so, so blessed to have you guys. And you guys are such fun, lively grandmas for them. I never feel right calling, we've started saying Gigi or grandma, I think Griffin's just confused. Like he knows that you're all his grandmas and Gigi's

but he's like. He doesn't know. All those ladies are grandmas yeah he's like they're all they all love me and take care of me what should we do though should we have like two different variations of gg right because like if you're both gg's like which gg are we talking about I Griffin seems to call me grandma because Abby does yeah and I call you grandma, but then I feel like I also start calling you Gigi because that's what mom calls you.

But then my mom is grandma. Like Griffin calls my mom grandma. And he calls my mom honey. Yeah, he's very confused. Well, he associates you with a dog and he associates you with bunnies. Should we have GgD and GgV? GgD.

GgD. That sounds like a bad DJ. Ggd and ggv Like our teacher and we like yeah Ggd is picking me up. I Don't think they can really say grand-ma. He says gamma or grandma. Yeah, they have their own little way of saying it. Poor kid can't say his own name. He says Fiffin. Fiffin do it. It's so cute. He can say his little brother's name because it's easier to pronounce. We'll work on his name and then we'll work on GGG. You don don't really care what they call you just so you have a relationship with them. Exactly I think it's so sweet. That is really sweet. Yeah what are you what? Should we do the rapid fire questions? Oh yeah we have some rapid fire questions for you guys.

These are kind of fun. You want to pull those up babe? I feel like you should leave the charge because you're like you're on it. First of all, I wanna know what's the best health tip you've ever received because you both look so good. I think to eat protein to, so you're satisfied. Makes you love that. That's good. I think that's. You always say that too.

Yeah, I believe that too. And keep moving. Yes, keep moving. And just keep active. What was your first job? I'll go first. Full time moving. And just keep active. Yes, keep moving. What was your first job? I'll go first. Full-time job? Just job in general.

No, any job. First paying job. Yeah, first job that paid you money. I worked at Penny's over Christmas time. Oh, cute. I worked at a variety store in my hometown, which was a very small town. I probably got the job because the people who own the store, I went to church with them. And I think I was 16.

I got 60 cents an hour. 60 cents? Yeah, I did. I guess I wasn't good help. I never even got a raise. I would work from 12 to 5 on Saturdays. So what does that get you? It's a variety store.

And you were 16? $3. $3 for the... on Saturdays. Wow. So what does that get you? It's a variety store. And you were you 16? $3. $3 for the, actually $3 would buy a whole lot more back then. I'm sure. Yeah. Would that get you a tank of gas? I wasn't driving, well, I guess I would be about the age where I was getting a license, but I don't think I put gas in the car. I think my parents did. That was nice. What's the worst fashion trend you lived through? I used to get a fro. I would get a permanent every three months. I would get a fro because it was so easy to take care of.

I tried to get rid of my natural curls. Something you probably don't know about grandma. I got a plan she didn't. You got a natural curl. She has natural really tight ringlet curls. Which I love your curls. I think it's so fun. I did go back to it, you know. Yeah, you did for a while there. Five or six years ago when we first moved, but it wasn't me. You didn't like it? No. What was your favorite family recipe? My mom was a good cook. Is that what you mean? She made good noodles. Yeah, she did. And I didn't get a recipe.

I've never made a noodle in my life. Like homemade noodles. Wow. Like rolling them out in gravy over mashed potatoes, which was just starch and starch and starch. They were delicious though. Yeah, she, my dad would have a big garden mashed potatoes, which was just starch and starch and starch. They were delicious, though. Yeah. My dad would have a big garden, and she would freeze and can

the vegetables and fruits. Who in your family made the pasties? Well, that goes back to my relatives in northern Minnesota. So it goes back to, in fact, we went for a night or so on our honeymoon up to our, to St. Lake in Minnesota and my grandmother up there, my step-grandmother taught me to make pasties on my honeymoon.

We need to make those again. Because that's what brides do. That's what the women do. You learn to cook on your honeymoon. It's a Cornish, the miners used to take it in their lunches when they were, you know, and it's like every culture has some kind of thing in dough.

In Mexican it's like empanada. Empanada or whatever. And it's just, you know, with beef and potatoes and carrots and and rutabaga. We should make those again. We should. You got to cover it in ketchup though. Yeah cover it and you know different places in Michigan and all you can still they are still prominent and maybe in northern Minnesota although I mean you can go in you know they'll have pasty stands and you know well there's so where we went to college I was like Matt we need to go here they have pasties I haven't seen

that like only so yeah I mean it's a lot of work to make yeah hmm and we used to make them at Christmas for the when you guys would come but I'm really curious about this one what advice would you give to your 25 year old self I'm really curious about this one. What advice would you give to your 25-year-old self? I'm 25 right now. A lot. A lot of advice. My 25-year-old self. I would have had a child by that time.

I guess just don't sweat the small stuff and just enjoy. That's good. That's good. That's good. Because I think it is easy to just like, get hung up on the details or compare to other moms, especially with that early stage, because, I don't know, it's such a unique stage where you're like in a little bubble

and you can easily look and see to the right or left, oh, what are they doing, how are things going? So that's good. Okay, what invention of your lifetime has amazed you the most? Being the gadget grandma. Yeah. I like lots of inventions.

I remember when you got the Wii Fit board in the basement of your house, and we were like, this is high tech. We're gonna lose weight on this board. I think just the computerized anything. I remember hearing about computers being called, I mean, the information highway. And I didn't quite know what they meant.

But boy, do I now. No, now. I mean, it's just awesome what you can learn. You should see her all day every day. She's in the car. She's like, what's the 91st song? And she's like, what is the name of, like she's talking into her phone all day. No, not all day, but yeah.

Grandma's sending me virtual birthday cards with my name AI'd into it. That is awesome. She's really good at that. She's been doing that for years though. She has. Are you both into AI? Are you using AI? I'm using AI, somewhat.

I don't even, I don't, I don't. Grandma's unknowingly using AI because when she's Googling it. Am I using it? Oh my. I've heard be careful with it, but I don't know much about that. Final question. Oh, okay. Do you listen to our podcasts?

Mm-hmm. I do. I do. I mean certainly haven't listened to a hundred. I missed a few but wow. Wow. Thank you. I watch you on Instagram all the time. There's not a day goes by which I don't Instagram but I and I do watch the podcast especially the people that I know. Yes. If I don't know them but I have watched a few that I didn't Instagram. But I, and I do watch the podcast, especially the people that I know, if I don't know them, but I have watched a few that I didn't know, but mostly it's the people that I kind of know that I've watched.

And I've watched, like I say, I've watched some of the others too. Well, thank you. Yeah, thank you. Obviously, you don't have to do that, you can just give us a call if you need to know what's going on. Sometimes I'm like, wow,

love that my grandmas are listening to it. Yeah, we've definitely shared a lot. My grandmas are too. Yeah, at that point we wish she didn't share some of the stuff you share. Oh man. She's told me about a couple that she wished we didn't. That's the thing about Vicky, I'm never going to be left wondering what she's thinking about anything. See, I just assumed this podcast is all a bunch of 25 year- Remember the time that she got married for reading Harry Potter?

Oh yeah. Oh, last week? Wait, we gotta tell that story. Oh, don't. Don't. Just cut it there. Let it in there. Come on.

Hey, we can- hey, this is kind of therapeutic. We can work this out. It's okay. No, she does not want to. Therapy for who? I don't know. For whom? Maybe for both of us. No. That's the other thing about you, Grandma. I'm sorry for reading Harry Potter

I know that you're not a huge fan of that book series. We'll never wonder what she's thinking. Hey, I appreciate that you, since you didn't like that I was reading Harry Potter, you came in you directly told me. Via text message, but you still... No, I just suggested you might read something else, but that wasn't... I started reading Harry Potter and thought that was really good, but I Got kind of dark. So I yeah Then I quit and I get it and I I thought it was hilarious that I I got roasted once you realized it was more Of a children's book. You were like, well, why is Matt reading children's book? I saw a lot of adults that read them. I

Know a lot of adults that read the Harry Potter series. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it's because most a lot of people knew her teachers. I don't know. Yeah. That's true. I love children's literature. Well this is fun. Maybe I think I'm glad now that we know you guys listen to our podcast. We'll be more aware of what we say going forward. We should have always been that way. I just assumed it was everyone that's like 25 and married and has children. I forget that our grandparents could be watching this. They were once 25 and married and had children. Well, I have really enjoyed getting to chat with you.

I just have to say, I want you to know that if you're watching this and you have a grandparent, that you have a good relationship to reach out to. This is your reminder. Give them a call. I should definitely do that more, but also, I just feel so thankful to have a close relationship with my grandparents. If you're missing a grandparent, I'm right there with you, my heart hurts for you too.

And, just thank you guys both so much for being on here, and you guys truly mean, now I'm crying. You guys both mean so much to me. And like, when I think about role models in my life, you too are the people that jumped to the forefront of my mind like amazing servant-hearted humble generous just amazing women that I've like gotten to look up to my whole childhood into adulthood now like amazing amazing role models and I don't take it lightly because most people don't get that.

And so thankful for you guys and your constant support now and as like all growing up, just so thankful, so blessed. We're blessed by you Abby. Absolutely, thank you. I couldn't get out without crying, you know that. It's the lights, I feel like it's the pressure of it all. But I truly do mean every word I say. And yeah, I always like, I'm having family because like they're so precious to me.

And like, I feel like my work is sometimes like, even though it's so personal, it's separate from like my family life. And I really, really prioritize to preserve like my family life. But I appreciate you guys stepping into my work life today and doing this. And we're buying you dinner.

Yeah, we're buying you dinner. And like Abby said, call your grandma, call your grandpa, call some, call your parents. If you don't have grandparents, call your parents because family is so important. And if you don't have family, call someone and tell them that you love them. No, you can choose your family too.

Yeah, you can, that's the crazy thing, you can choose your family, you know? Sometimes people the crazy thing. You can't choose your family. You know, sometimes people are some chosen family members as well. Yeah. So just tell someone that you love them today. And yeah, we hope that you learned something from this. I know I did. I learned it's I always love talking to people who have lived more life than me because there's

so much wisdom that you gain from that. So thank you both. Thank you to both of you. They made me who I am. Let's give it up for the grandma. Seriously. Yeah.