The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - By bye binkies, hitting a car & losing our luggage

Episode Date: March 19, 2025

Griffin’s binky is officially gone… In today’s episode, we talk about saying goodbye to his last baby habit, Abby accidentally hitting a parked car (while someone was inside), and the nightmare of losing our luggage. Plus, an unhinged interaction with an officer aggressively blowing a whistle at Abby. This episode is sponsored by RocketMoney, Chime an Nutrafol. RocketMoney: Cancel your unwanted subscriptions by going to https://RocketMoney.com/unplanned. Chime: Turn your everyday purchases and on time payments into steps toward your financial goals with Chime’s Secured Credit Builder Visa Credit Card. Get started today https://chime.com/UNPLANNED. Nutrafol: Visit https://nutrafol.com and enter promo code UNPLANNEDPOD for $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We got rid of our son's binkies. I just want him to stay a baby forever. How the heck has two and a half years gone by like that? So sad. I don't want to get rid of the binkies. You get them addicted to it, and then you take it away. You hit the person's car, right? You have to understand.

Augie is screaming at a decibel that should be illegal to drive. I'm pulling out, threw it in reverse, right into someone's car. Southwest Airlines lost their bags. Abby got yelled at by a police officer dude on a Segway. He keeps yelling. He's like, I don't care. Take a lap. I rolled down the window and I said, I hope you can cheer up.

You keep leaving the toilet seat up in the middle of the night. I don't have a big butt. That butt just falls right in the toilet. I'm so sorry. Your butt is so cute too. It's so little. When I go to smack it, I always miss because it's- That's too much information. Welcome back to Unplanned. We're your hosts, Matt and Abby and Abby and boy do we have a story for you guys today. We just got back from Utah where we crashed a rental car. Southwest Airlines lost our bags. Abby got yelled at by a police officer dude on a segue at the airport. And we currently are not sleeping at night because our toddler has been waking up all throughout the night

because he wants his binkies back and we gave away his binkies to the baby giraffes at the zoo which that that's what we told him that's we just thought that'd be like cuter than telling him the binky fairy came. I guess we did kind of bring that we did literally drop off. But Utah wasn't all bad you made it sound like it was so terrible. Did you enjoy Utah? I enjoyed you I love snowboarding. I had fun snowboarding I had fun seeing our friends. Our kids had a really fun time. It just felt like a little long, you know? Our kids, Griffin specifically, who talks the most, he's speaking in full sentences

now. Is that crazy? He's two and a half. He speaks full sentences. He's been asking for Jack and Sonny. Our friends, Sarah and Derek Beeston, their kids are so sweet. He said, where are my people? He said that?

He said, where are my people? I said, who are your people? And he that? He said, where are your people? And he said Jack and Sonny? He was listing all of his friends and he said, and then he said Jack and Sonny first. And then, yeah, he's like, where are my friends at? I love traveling to other people's houses because our kids, if they have kids, if they have kids, yeah, wait, that's actually a really big... Because then their house is baby proofed already. They already have like the things you need for kids in general, pack and play, stuff like that. And they have toys!

The toys! And friends! Our kids act like they're in Disney World. They are so- I didn't even know where they were, like I've never been in a house and be like, where are my kids? But they were just in their- Did you just spill that all over you? I just spilled soda all over my freaking shirt.

What the heck, dude? It just kind of reminds me of being a kid, you know like the all over you? I just spilled soda all over my freaking shirt. What the heck, dude? It just kind of reminds me of being a kid. You know like the friend's house you went to where you were like they have so much, like the best basement or the best toys? Yes, but they were having so much fun at our friend's house that when Abby offered to turn on Paw Patrol for Griffin, he forgot, like he just completely forgot

about watching TV and he just played with toys. Well yeah, Addie did. my sister-in-law was For him to watch a show cuz I had told them that when he woke up from his nap He could watch his show for a little bit and he forgot about it cuz he was having so much fun But I feel like we first need to start off talking about this rental car situation while I was snowboarding in the mountains With my buddy Derek Beaston Abby went to the gym with the kids cause you, I don't even know, why do you go to the gym on vacation by the way?

Cause that's where you hit the person's car, right? You have to understand, I genuinely like to work out. So like, why would I stop when I'm on vacation? That's okay. If it's something I genuinely enjoy doing. Fair. I love it and it makes me feel good. And I also think it's good for the kids to get out

of the house and play With other kids to just like have an outing So I went to the gym with the kids and my sister-in-law Addy all four of us are in the car Augie is doing his typical Auggie thing which is screaming at a decibel That should be illegal to drive if that sound is occurring in your vehicle You should not be allowed to drive because that's the most distracted type of driving you could ever have. Could you give a demonstration of what this is? No, I cannot.

Okay, I will. No, you have to think about people with AirPods or whatever. Oh yeah, that's true. If somebody's listening to this with AirPods that would like blow out their eardrums. Yeah, it's unmatched. You guys have to trust me. Like if you're one of my friends listening to this then you know Augie screams. And the reason we know this is because our sweet

Boy Augie he is so happy or so sad There's like no in the middle and when we're ever at the doctor and we need to like change this diaper at the doctor Whatever like any anything that might like get him disjumbled. He lets out the scream, you know The howler just disheveled like whenever he's disheveled like we you know when you have to like you have to like Undress them and then put them on the weighing thing. Are you saying disheveled disheveled, like, you know, when you have to like, you have to like, um, undress them and then put them on the wing thing. Are you saying disheveled? Disheveled is what I'm saying. Disheveled is the word.

What? I thought it's dis-shoveled, like a D-I-S and then like shoveled. No, disheveled. What? Wait, how do you spell this? Wait, spell it out for me. Wait, I thought it's dis-shoveled. No, not dis-shoveled.

Like D-I-S. Shovel, like dis-D-I-S shoveled. Dis-shoveled. No! Not disheveled! Like this, dis, shoveled. Disheveled. No! No! Disheveled? Disheveled. Disheveled. It's not disheveled. What? Babe, I'm 26, I've never known this. Why does this happen all the time with you? How is it taking me 26 and a half years to find this out? They nightmare you say inevitable and inevitable. I thought everybody says nightmare the where I grew up in Missouri. Everyone says nightmare No, I don't think they do What did you say growing up in Illinois nightmare nightmare? You all say cigarette mayor you said nightmare. That's how it's spelled That's a word cigarette. Mayor. You said nightmare. That's how it's spelled. That's the word.

Yeah, I said cigarette. Oh gosh. Cigarette. I say it's cigarette. But I know it's cigarette. Cigarette. Yes. Not cigarette.

Okay. Maybe I'm from Missouri, okay? All I have to say, when Augie gets ticked off, he's kind of like Baby Jack Jack when he's on fire. He's so loud. He'll blow out your ear. He's kind of like baby Jack-Jack when he's on fire. Like he's so loud. He'll blow out your ear. And I'm saying we know proof of this

because at the doctor, our child's pediatrician literally said that kid has some lungs on him. Every time. And not being rude, it's just a statement of like, this woman is around kids 24 seven and she knows that this kid can scream. And that made me feel so seen because sometimes when he does scream, I'm'm like I don't know if my ear drums

are gonna make it. Well the first person to ever say that kid has some lungs on him is the person that pulled him out of my belly. Oh my gosh. The day he was born. Wait that's right. Remember they prepped me they were like c-section babies they might not cry super quick like it takes him a minute. Maybe he's gonna be an opera singer. The minute he came out, he was like, ah! Like. Dude, maybe he honestly could be a good opera singer. Opera singers can break glass.

That's a real thing. It's not that it's high pitched though. It's just, it's just so loud. So Augie was mad at this moment in time because he didn't want to be in his car seat, which is unfortunate thing because he has to be in his car seat because we had to get in the car

and we had to Drive somewhere so me I'm kind of like in that mom fight-or-flight mode where I'm like, okay I can't fix why he's upset right now The only way I can fix it is to get to our location so I can get him out of the car seat Yeah, so then I'm like we got to get out of here as fast as possible So I'm pulling out through it in reverse Right into someone's car which is is also understandable, might I say, because I wasn't driving a car

that I'm used to driving, obviously. It was a rental. And the woman was actually in her car when I, is that rear, that's not rear-ending her, what is that? You love tapped her. You love tapped her in the parking lot. Yeah, crash is a bit dramatic for what happened. And then she sends you a bill for $1,200,

which, might I add, we have a picture of the car. I don't, I'm not a car expert, but we're talking about like a scratch that might be a quarter, the size of a quarter, maybe probably more like the size of Penny. Well, she was super nice. Like I don't, she was really, really nice in person. I got out, of course I was like, I'm so sorry, I can't believe I did this. I showed her my license, because I thought that was what you had to do. But while I was talking to her,

a girl came up and she was like, are you Abby from TikTok? And I was like, great, this is just more embarrassing. Because the whole situation is already embarrassing to run into someone's car. But then that someone knew of me. And anyway, I was like, okay, well, let me at least give you my number.

She's like, yeah, I'll take your number. Like I offered it all. You offered your number, okay. And she was like, I'm just gonna show my husband, but I'm sure he's gonna say it's not a big deal. Like there's nothing that you need to do. Like she gave me so many reassurances. But then right after we like had this conversation,

like towards the end, she's like, well, I might just take you to an auto body shop to get evaluated. My husband works at an auto body shop or something like that. She said, she said like, well, I might just take it to an auto body shop to get evaluated. My husband works at an auto body shop or something like that. She said she said for a fact that her husband worked on an auto body shop. I think she said something like that. Or maybe she said he works

next to it. I'll take it to an auto body shop. As soon as she said that though, I was like, okay, this could be an issue. And sure enough, it was because a few days later, she texted me and she was like, oh, for the damages, I need 1000 like it was over $1,200, like you said. That is so much for a teeny little scratch. Did you even see the scratch when you hit the car?

Did you see the scratch? No, I didn't. You never saw a single scratch. But I knew that I did something. I mean, I heard our vehicles clash. I knew nothing happened to the rental car, but, cause I had looked at that, but then at that moment I was just so frazzled,

cause Augie's still screaming too. Like he was still screaming his head off. And so I'm was just so frazzled because all he's still screaming to like he was still screaming his head off yeah, and so I'm like already so frazzled and Like I'm just like trying to make this exchange as quick as possible at that moment She gave me so many reassurances that I didn't feel like I needed to call. Are you supposed to call the cops? That's only with like an actual wreck. Okay, so I didn't feel like I needed to take pictures or anything Yeah, this was just a teeny little because she kept saying like oh, it's not a lot Yeah, so then and obviously no like I said, there was no needed to take pictures or anything. Yeah, this was just a teeny little incident. Because she kept saying like, oh, it's nothing. In the parking lot, yeah. So then, and obviously, like I said,

there was no damage to the rental car either, so I was like, if anything, like it was also raining, so it was just a chaotic scene. So then she texted me that and I was like, oh great, which let me say, if I did any damage to someone's car, I 1,000% wanna make it right. Like, I'm not trying to be like, oh, that's not a big deal, get over it.

Like, I wanna make it right, but that seems like such an extreme amount of money I know just the damage the reason that I'm stick I'm being skeptical number one. I am a skeptic I like to like really think through everything but when you look at the picture of the quote-unquote damage to the car It is the tiniest little scratch which like we of course should pay for that But I don't understand how a scratch the quote was to replace the entire front bumper are you sure yes she said that it's on there it's an it's from an auto body shop oh so the quote is to replace the entire yes that's why it's 1200 yes okay yeah so that makes sense but you don't need to replace an entire bumper when there's a

teeny little it doesn't seem like you would need to, but... How nice is this car too? Is this like a 20, 2024? It was a nice car. Oh, it was a nice car. Yeah. Okay, what type of... Maybe that's why. What are we talking about here? It might have been a Tahoe. Was this a Mercedes? Oh, this was a Tahoe. Maybe. Oh. Oh. We're gonna make it right. I'm obviously still... Is that bad? I mean, when... I think when we went and looked at cars, we got quoted like 70 grand for a Tahoe I think that's how much you're gonna buy her a new Tahoe I know but like those freak those cars are freaking expensive though. Yeah, I know 70,000 for a Tahoe is crazy, but that's what it is these days. That's what a new Tahoe is $1,200 for a scratch and you know what it is the freaking MSRP or whatever the frick they say on on the commercials on TV

They're always BS in you like you go to the actual dealership and it's like $20,000 more than what they say on TV. It's all to get you in the door So where what are we getting at? What I'm getting at is the Tahoe's are very expensive these days So do you think that a scratch on a Tahoe is worth $1,200 to repair? I feel like you can repair that scratch. Don't they have repair kits? If someone, like look, if someone chips a tooth, you don't go, oh, I chipped my tooth. I'm gonna rip my whole tooth out and put a new one in. No, you're freaking-

That's what I did. You repair, okay. Okay. You repair the chipped tooth. You don't rip out the whole tooth. You didn't rip your teeth out, dude. No, I didn't. But some people think I do.

You look really pretty, by the way. I love this outfit on you. Anyway, I'm gonna make it right. I'm actually blown away. I'm obviously still communicating with her, but then when I told Matt, I was like, oh, I just bumped this car. really pretty by the way. I love this outfit on you anyway I'm actually right. I'm obviously still communicating with her But then when I told Matt I was like I just bumped this car. It's no big deal She was super nice about it, and then I'm like just kidding we need to pay over $1,000 Just a little over $1,000 no, but I will say I have a witness Addy was like are you kidding me?

Your sister-in-law was there our sister-in-law was there and she was shocked when we were sent. And I showed my friends the picture and I was like, do you think that this is something that is $1,200? And they're like, no, they're trying to juice you. I think they're trying to juice you, babe. Well, you know what? They might just get the juice because I'm not,

I'm gonna make it right. Honestly though, babe, you are, you are the person that people see you and they're like, oh, we can, we can take advantage of this person. Why? Because- She was so nice. You had a great rapport. You're a sweet, yeah. you and they're like, oh we can we can take advantage of this person Why? Because She was so nice, you had a great rapport You're a sweet I could be friends with her

And that's part of the strategy She was being nice and she's like oh by the way, I know I'm so nice the other day You're such a cynic But I also need $1,200 for my bumper I don't think, you think everyone's trying out here trying to manipulate Not everybody but there are people like that out there I don't think this lady was like that There are people like that out there

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your financial goals fast with rocket money go to rocket money comm slash unplanned today That's rocket money comm slash unplanned rocket money comm slash unplanned. We're gonna pay to fix the scratch It's a teeny scratch. We'll pay to fix it. We'll pay the auto body shop directly We're not giving her any money. But what if the auto body shop is like we're only gonna replace the entire bumper Do you know how easy it is for her to and I don't I'm sure he's a she's a very nice lady But do you know how easy it is for her to, and I don't, I'm sure she's a very nice lady, but do you know how easy it is for someone just to fake and invoice her fake something? She did not. You're such a scammer. She was driving a Tahoe. I don't know if it was a Tahoe. What is this car? Was it a Chevy Tahoe? Like Chevy. Was it the little cross symbol? That's the Chevy. Let me see. She

sent you pictures of the car. I know, but just really up close ones because she wanted to make the scratch look bigger, I think. That's the biggest one I got. That is tiny. That's not even the size of a penny. That's hilarious. You can't even tell what that is. I think that's a $500 fix max.

So yeah, that happened. But then this is funny. I need you guys to tell me, do you think this was rude? Because what did you do? When we got back? What did you do? We got back from Salt Lake. We were flying with seven checked items because we flew with both kids.

We checked their car seats. We had snowboards. We went snowboarding. We had snowboards. I also did a podcast with Derek Beeston while I was there. That'll be out eventually. We filmed that. All of our podcast gear was with us.

We literally had seven checked bags. Thank you. And we flew with Southwest, so we were a little checked bag happy. And then we had, we had carrying ons too. We had so much stuff. And we got it all loaded into our van, or not van. Got it all loaded up in your mom's compact SUV.

And that's when we realized, oh my gosh, we're missing the seventh bag, which was my snowboard. And keep in mind that every single time we have lost a bag traveling through the air, you know who it's been with? Southwest, every time. Don't even say that because I love Southwest. Well I think Southwest is great because of their checked bag policy, but it does get annoying when they lose our bags.

They have the best flight times, the best bag policy. They are so family friendly. I love their pretzels. They do have really good pretzels. You have a good point. The pretzels that they give you out on the plane taste incredible. They offer Coke Zero. Another point. Coke Zero is a big perk. And they're just so kind. And they also don't charge you for water.

When I fly Frontier, because I just, I'll fly whatever airline's the cheapest whenever I travel, Frontier doesn't give you water. You have to pay for that. And their flight attendants can be- A bit sassy. A bit sassy. They were sassy to people in front of us on the way to Vegas. Actually, yeah, Southwest,

even though they always lose their bags- So friendly. The airline attendant people are really funny. Like one time a guy was literally like a comedian or something. No, they're always cracking jokes. Was he from a comedy club? And they're so sweet to our kids too.

Yeah, that's true. They're always like trying to give us extra pretzels. Anyway, so don't think that we dislike Southwest, but we have lost bags a couple times. A couple times, that's happened quite a bit. But when I was in the office filing the claim for my check bag. I'm out in the car in between two kids in their car seats.

My mom's in the front seat and I know trouble is coming because this fricking dude on a Segway with a little neon yellow vest with a fricking whistle like Paul Blart makes sense of the unfriendly version, is just going up and down the arrivals area, yelling at people, and sure enough, he heads right for my mom's car

and says through the open window, ma'am, you have one minute before I write you a citation. That's the only thing he says. He's yelling at her. And first of all, don't yell at my sweet mother. I'm going to get a little feisty. Did you throw hands? And so I know I lean out from the backseat. I was like, Hey, they lost our bag. Like I just like, cause I know that if they lose your bag, you're allowed to stay there. Cause he wanted us to, you know, take a like leave. Yeah. Take a little lap. And I was like, no, they lost our bag.

And he's like, I'm gonna start riding the ticket. Like, he keeps yelling. He's like, I don't care, take a lap. And I'm like, oh, I'm so mad. We can't even pull out because there's so much traffic there. And he's still blowing his whistle at us. My mom's like trying to take a lap. And he's still blowing his whistle,

yelling, other people were like rolling their eyes. And then we finally get into the lane of traffic where you can drive. And I rolled down the window from the back seat in between the- Oh, I didn't even know about this. No, what did you say? What did you say?

I rolled down the window, I said, I hope you can cheer up. Oh my God. And it felt so invigorating. I just screamed out. You actually said that? Oh yeah. Word for word, I hope you can cheer up.

I hope you can cheer up. I said, and I hope you can cheer up. No, because I said, well go- What did he say back? I don't even know, because then my mom left, because I was only going to get my word in when I could make an escape. Did you see him again? What?

No. You never saw his face again. Because he went to the other side. Because when, when, after it took me freaking like 30 minutes to file the lost bag claim with the Southwest lady. Well, cause the people on the other side, I thought we're gonna like say something too. Oh, well then I thought I saw these like officer people

walk by me when I got in the car after you guys took the lap. And I held up the piece of paper and I was like, see this piece of paper. It wasn't the same guy. Oh, different people. Okay, different guy. Yeah, well cause I told him off that.

Maybe he cheered up. He's like, I don't care. He probably cheered up after that. That's probably, honestly you saying that to him probably made don't care. He probably cheered up after that. That's probably honestly you saying that's him Probably made him he probably changed his whole life around after I know I feel like I really made him happy I don't know. I just had to say something Okay, my mom is like cracking up the first thing she says when she gets home She's like telling my dad. She's like, you never gonna guess what Abby said like she thought was so funny

I was like, I thought I got my word in like I felt pretty spicy after that You know what my line is though, when we're with like someone, if they're being like a little bit on edge and we're like, it's usually always at an airport because I feel like tensions run high. Those workers don't want to be there. Like they're, they're usually just like a little bit on edge. If they start to say something, if you might, here's my little tip to you. If someone is getting a

little feisty with you in an interaction, like at a business or something, if you just say, oh, that was a little rude, it really makes them put themselves in check. They're like, oh, that kind of throws them off. I should have said that to that guy. You're really good at that, actually. That's actually genius that you say that. Really?

I think you're better with people than I am. I don't feel, okay, by the way, I don't feel like I ever have to, I've used this like maybe once every three years, but when I have used it, it works like a charm. Cause remember we're at a hotel and it was like not working out like with whatever the interaction was.

And I was like, oh, that was a little rude. They kind of checked themselves. They're like, oh, maybe that was a little rude. And then they just re, they like do a 180. You're a genius. Thank you. I wish you'd have been on the phone with Southwest then when they still didn't bring the bag to our house. I called. I was on hold for 45 minutes. Well were they being rude or were they just being like not understanding

your issue? They weren't. No they weren't rude. It was just it was just really infuriating because I called and then of course you get the person right away and then they can't do anything and they send you somebody to somebody else and then that they can't do anything and they send you to somebody else and then that person can't do anything so they send you to somebody else and now I've been on hold for 45 minutes and I just said, okay, screw this. So I end the call, I call back again, I try again

because I think they just completely forgot about me. No one talked to me for about 25 minutes. And what ended up happening is I figured out how to resolve it all without their help because the people you call on the phone to talk to never can resolve anything. I it's that yeah that nothing frustrates me more than dealing with like customer service over the phone because you're frustrated but then the poor people on the other end of the phone it's not their fault. It's not their fault but they never have the resources or the means to help you.

So it's just like, you're kind of just- And they're not allowed to pass you on to someone that does have the resources or means to help you. And it's kind of a gamble, because you never know if it's actually gonna work to get what you want done. So anyway, I figured out how to solve it on my own

and did my locator number and had to put in our sister-in-law's last name on the online form. The reason it wasn't working at first for us to get that bag to our house is sister-in-law's last name on the online form The reason it wasn't working at first for us to get that bag to our house is because I was putting in our last name But I forgot that she flew with us with us We paid for our sister-in-law's flight and so I needed to put in her last name, which is different than our last name So that's why I couldn't get that's why the bag wasn't showing up at our house but on top of that I

Was annoyed because I told so many times to the Southwest agent at the airport, please send it to our house, please send it to our house, please send it to our house. It never came to our house. So I had to go online again and fix it and make sure they sent it to our house. They still wanted us to come pick it up and give us like a voucher for a flight, but I didn't want to drive all the way to the airport and then all the way home. That voucher would have been nice.

First world problems people. Yeah we've been playing a lot. Honestly, bless Southwest. Bless that man on the Segway. I hope he has cheered up. You know what TV show is stressing me the frick out right now? Made. Made.

It's not even new by the way. It isn't new. It's just new to us. Isn't that based off of a book that you read? Yeah. Okay, if you haven't seen the show made on Netflix, is it Netflix? I was getting secondhand stress just watching this woman try

to feed her baby and go clean a house, but then get on a ferry, and then she didn't have the money to buy X, Y, and Z. And then she's with an abusive boyfriend and then her mom gives her kid off to her abusive boyfriend when she wasn't supposed to do that. It's such a stressful show. It's a true story.

And it made me, watching that, I was like, man, none of my freaking issue being on the phone for 45 minutes with Southwest, like complaining about that or complaining about losing my snowboard. Let's say my snowboard got stolen. Who the frick cares? I can buy a new snowboard. There's people out there that can't even buy groceries. Or you don about losing my snowboard. Like, let's say my snowboard got stolen. Who the frick cares? I can buy a new snowboard. There's people out there that can't even buy groceries.

Or you don't need a snowboard. Like, imagine, imagine not having the money to buy groceries for your kid. Imagine not having the means to, like, have a safe environment for your child to play in while you're at work. Yeah. That really put things in perspective for me. And I was just getting, like like so much stress watching the show, partially because I had a very stressful day yesterday when we watched the show for the first time.

But I was like, OK, I need to shut up. Like none of my issues in my life matter at all. Like this is legitimate that this woman went through this because it's a true story. Yeah, made is a true story. Totally. I mean, the book reveals, I mean, so many big topics, but a lot of them are like flaws in like, really how people in poverty are perceived by people that aren't in poverty.

Like she talks about how many times she would use her like food stamps or any type of like government aid in public, people behind her in line would just like glare at her, just like, or would be like, you're welcome. Like, you know, acting like they're personal, I mean, obviously taxes are what support those programs, but like, just like so much arrogance and like,

people would always be like, well, are you on drugs? And like, you know, just a lot of like blaming the person in poverty for being in their position. And also, just like a lot of flaws in the system in general where it's like, okay, well you need a job to get into this government subsidized housing, but to get a job, you have to have child care if you have a kid, but to, you're not gonna get the aid for the child care, you have to have a job.

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How proud are you that Griffin took his nap today? I can't believe it. I'm shocked. I didn't think he was gonna take a nap today. Oh my gosh, here's the thing. You cannot, what I've learned from our, he's two and a half, you guys. We need to fill them in.

We got rid of our son's binkies. We're done. He's two and a half, he's coming up on three. We actually still have them, but he doesn't. Okay, yeah, we still have the binkies. He doesn't know that. We need to hide those. He could easily find those. I actually still have them, but he doesn't okay. Yeah, we saw the big ease He doesn't know that we need to hide those he could easily find those I actually found one in our closet the other day and I was like if he finds his bank in here He's in a piece to be so stoked and then we take that big keyway. He's gonna be heartbroken

So we have to we have to like donate. Can you donate pinkies? Surely is that a thing you probably can donate a bank because they probably like yeah, they could boil them and then they can reuse them Is that a thing? You probably can donate a Minky, because they probably still- They should boil them. Yeah, they could boil them and then they can reuse them. Yeah, Minkys are gone. Our son's almost three.

No, he's not. Okay, no, no, no. He's two and a half. He'll be three in four months, babe. It's March. April, May, June, July. That's not almost three. We're talking about a third of a year.

Okay. One month from now, he'll be 2.75. Okay, so it was time, but it was just- He'll be 2.75. He'll be- It was one of those situations where you're like, you're looking for every excuse to put it off. Like, oh, well, we're sick, so it's not a good time.

Or oh, well, we're traveling, so it's not a good time. Oh, well, we have company and we don't want him to be up all night keeping them up, so it's not a good time. It was like, I was looking for every excuse and it kind of got to the point where he's two, he's going to be three and four months. I guess yeah We originally meant to get rid of the binkies back in November, but then with all the holidays It just didn't make sense. Insignies and holiday like it here's the thing I could have continued to find reasons to put this off

But I just knew that we we couldn't do that Like I was starting to look at pictures of kids teeth that have binkies too long and they're like their mouth development And I it was enough for me to be like okay Abby it is loving to cut this off at this point. Yeah. Because I didn't want him to have these like long-term effects from binky mouth. Yeah as a parent when you see pictures of children that have had binkies for way too long it's scary. You see their teeth deformed, you see their mouth all, you know, it's like their teeth go in a oval shape around where the binky goes in,

and you're like, that does not look right. That poor kid needs some dental work because that binky screwed up his teeth. And we just, you know, you love your kid and you want the best for them, so it's so sad when you have to take away the Binky, but eventually you do. And we really prepped,

you did a really good job prepping him for it. I thought we were on the same page. Did you start prepping him back in like October? I thought me and Griffin were on the same page because I was like, dude, Binkies are going away when you're a big kid, like so much conversation around that. Then I started doing, I think in October, only nap nap during nap and bedtime oh yeah Binky during nap and bedtime

I think was that it maybe that was a September thing when you took away all Binky's that unless it was nap and yeah only in bedtime he would sometimes sneak in get a hit like oh yeah but that actually became an issue he would sneak I would catch Griffin up in his room all the time hiding and with hiding and sucking on a binky. Sad. By the way, is that like a Midwest thing to call them binkies? Because I hear people calling them passies these days.

Is passy like the year of June? People in Australia call them dummies. Dummies? Yeah. Wow. You never heard that? Because in the UK I thought they called them passies. Or is that what normal US people call them?

I've always called it a binky. Is that what you've always called it? Yeah, binky. I'm from Missouri, so. Binky. Binky. Anyway. That's the brand name, right? No, it's not a brand name.

That was like an OG brand? I don't think so. Okay. I don't know where that comes from. Okay. But he got them, was only having them for sleep for several months, and there was a lot of conversation about them going away and then he started to get attached

to just a white binky and a blue binky. So we got rid of all the other binkies except for white binky and blue binky because normally he would literally like, he was so obsessed, he would like let those binkies, like keep them all around him, had handfuls of binkies. Sometimes he put more than one binky and would just like trade, had more like double binkies.

So then we weaned him a little bit more by only having the white binky and the blue b. So then we weaned him a little bit more by only having the white binky and the blue binky. Then we weaned him a little bit more by only doing the blue binky, and I attached the blue binky to this little snuggled giraffe thing. So I was like, eventually, when we get rid of the blue binky,

he'll have that to snuggle, and that will be enough. And we told him this storyline, that the giraffes at the zoo needed the binkies because there were baby giraffes that needed the binkies more than Griffin. Because he doesn't, he loves giraffes. Favorite animal right? I mean I mean the rhinos are up there too. He really loves giraffes though because they're tall. Yes. So we were like we're gonna be able to you know get him emotionally softened if

we say that we're giving them to the baby giraffes. So we use that, the giraffes even wrote him a whole letter and they're like, dear Griffin. Wait, we gotta put a picture up of the letter. It's in his room, I saw it in his room today. You did such a cute job on that. It didn't even work. You wrote, wait, when did you give him the letter?

I forget when the whole letter thing happened. January. This was back in January with the giraffes. This is, we're in March, babe. I know, I was not wanting to do this. So the giraffes wrote This is we're in March, babe I know I was not wanting to do this So the giraffes wrote him a letter and they gave him a big boy toy, which was the giraffe Magnetiles set they have like a jungle magnetize. Wait no, babe We gave him the toy for his binkies going away before he got rid of the binkies. It was a

It was a bargaining tool But the whole point is like you get rid of the binkies and then you get the toy. You know what happened? What? You got sick like eight times and so did the kids. No, but you're supposed to wait to give them like, cause when I was a kid, the binky fairy brought me and my brothers Thomas the train. I got into a desperate place and I really wanted to show him his new toy.

But we got like a Thomas the train engine set and we got that after we gave away the binkies. Cause it's like getting paid to do the work before you even finish the job. I thought I could soften the deal. I guess we could get him more toys but I feel like he has so many freaking toys we don't really need to get more. I heard of so many methods too for getting rid of binkies. Like one of our friends poked a hole in the binky and then filled it up with apple cider vinegar and then they're like, oh dang your binky got stinky. They went bad. No

stinky binkies and so then they had to throw the stinky binkies away and she never got any more binkies so there's that one I was like I don't know that feels like not right for us. Why do I feel like Griffin would have liked the apple side of it. Leave it to him to suck it out. That kid like sometimes he wanted me to put like pure lemon juice in his water the other day I'm'm like, do you actually like that? I put it in and he loved it. He just, he chugged the water. Okay, see, yeah, I just knew that

that wasn't gonna work for him. Yeah, the apple cider vinegar method would have not worked for our kids. No, he likes spicy and sour things. Yeah. Okay, so then I've heard of other people being like, well, you could just use the binkies as currency to get him a big boy gift.

My thing with that, I think there's a viral video of someone giving their kids binkies to like a cashier and him getting golf clubs in return. But my thing is like, does that translate to nighttime? When they're like in their bed, like sure the golf club thing is all fun and games during the day, but then at nighttime, I'm like, does that translate? So that's why I did the snuggly thing,

because I was like, that could translate into the nighttime, and it's still a giraffe. So we went to the zoo. Oh my gosh. We really did the most here to try to soften this whole thing, because I felt so sad. I was sick about it. I honestly.

Abby was really sad, and actually, you know what made me sad about it, was watching the new show on Disney Plus, the Inside Out show. Yes, the one about the dreams. I'm gonna miss you. Because the show, episode one, it's this new show on Disney Plus, it's kind of like The Office, but it takes place within the universe of Inside Out,

and it's the dream. It's already making me cry right now. It's the dream production crew. And the very, the way the show opens when you watch episode one is you see Riley giving away her binky and saying bye bye. And the binky's like hopping on the train and going away. And that's like one of her dreams that she has.

Yeah, and she says, I'm gonna miss you. It's sad. I just want him to stay a baby forever. The music got to me. I don't know what it is. That music was so sad. I know, because that's how Griffin feels. And that, I felt it too. And then watching the show, I was like, this is awful.

It's so sad. You get them addicted to it and then you take it away. Well, for me, it was more so the fact that our child's growing up. Yeah, exactly. And as a parent, you're just like, how the heck has- It's like his last baby thing. How the heck has two and a half years gone by like that in a second? But we get to the zoo and we go straight to the zoo, straight to the giraffe exhibit. He had no idea what he was doing.

And he takes his binky and they have this like little donation bin where you can put like dollars or change and Griffin... I was like, we're giving it and then he put it in so fast. Quickly put his binky into the giraffe's mouth to donate to the giraffe exhibit. Two seconds later he's like, get it back. Someone at the zoo right now is like, why the frick is there a binky in this donation?

They don't know how valuable that binky is. But for Griffin, that was him giving away his last binky to the baby giraffes who needed it more. It's so sad. It's like literally so sad. The sad part was like five minutes later he was asking for the binky back. Two seconds later he was like get it out. He wanted it back and so it was a big sad thing and so then he still had his little giraffe at night but at nighttime. Oh my gosh did hell break loose in our household. I thought we were on the same page, I thought Griffin knew that there was no binkies. I'm so glad I was thinking rational about this

because I said, hey Abby, I know usually like we alternate days waking up with our kids but I was like, babe, one of us needs to do like night shift like we did when we had a newborn and one of us wakes up with the kids because I think it's going to be a hard night. And Abby was like, do you think so? And I'm like, I think so. Griffin, poor guy, was not having it until. You were pissed too. Until about 1.45 in the morning. I don't know, I was good.

I was just getting really worried because he was escaping out of his room. Like he's always been safe and secure within his crib, but he got so angry, he threw his sleep tent off of the crib and jumped out of his crib and then ran to our room, which I'm glad he ran to us and didn't like try to run out the door or something because- Well, you had the monitor.

Also, our security system would have gone off if he would have left the house. But you had the monitor. And we had all the doors locked because we always do that. But I don't know, my brain was just thinking, I was like, crap, he knows how to get out of his crib now. And just immediately I had this like fear response of like, what if he leaves the house? What if he like runs, what if he sleepwalks out the door and he doesn't even know where he is? Like I just, we've never been in a situation where our two-year-old has known how to get out of his

crib. And now he can. And he knows he can. He's pretty, he's like a ninja. And now he can and he knows he can he's he's pretty he's like a ninja Anyway, the first night was rough. He was up till like two And then you pranked me abby you pranked me So matt was up with him until two and then at two I took over I like put him back in his bed And then by some miracle My entire shift he stayed asleep two till any but here's the thing that's that's crazy, and that's just like, kids are just this way. Woke up at the exact same time the next morning.

Even though he didn't go to bed till 2 a.m., woke up at 6.55. And then he skipped his nap. And then he skipped his nap, but wait, the morning, wait, that's when I pranked you. Oh yeah, no, he skipped his nap that day, but before he took his nap, I was walking out the door, I think to go to the gym or something,

and you told me, oh, by the way, the reason he slept... No, you were like, how did he do your shift? And I was like, oh, it's pretty good. I said, well, I mean, I eventually just had to give it to him because by the time that he hadn't fallen asleep at 2 a.m., like, I just had to give it to him. You stopped dead in your tracks.

You said, you what? And I was like, yeah, I just had to give it to him because, like... The way you said that, I believed you. I totally believed you. I'm gullible, I am. But you're also really good at that. You're a good prankster. I got him good.

I did not give it to him. Here's the thing, at this point, I will never, ever, ever, ever 1,000% cave because we already have the worst behind us. It's just gonna make it a million times worse if we cave. And it's truly taking away the binky is exactly what happened when we did sleep training when Griffin was like what, like nine months old?

Or how old was he, six months? We followed Taking Care of Babies. She's a nurse that has a course on how to sleep train your kids. But it's the same sort of thing because the first day is really hard and they do not like it. Yeah. But then once they realize that they're capable of falling asleep on their own, first nap without a binky.

Then it's smooth sailing. So I think we've gotten through the rough patch. It's been about 48 hours now since we removed the binkies, since we gave them off to the drafts. And I think we have a bright future ahead of us. Well, his first nap with no binky just did not happen. He escaped and he also then just laid there. But then today he actually took a nap. He took a nap. Yay.

Which you know what I think actually, I have a theory, cause I put him down for his nap, but then we had to record today. So then I was like, mom, Godspeed, like, just stay strong. And if he needs to get out of his bed he can get out of his bed but I think because my mom went in and put him back to sleep he actually went to sleep because he knows that he can manipulate me I will say I did get up

with him this morning at 445 and then read to him and like try to calm him down until like around 5 30 because he was just like really shaken up but then he fell back asleep for an hour so that was good but I also woke up that long to calm down but I also woke up at 4 45 today which is pretty I'm you know that's just pretty crazy pretty I'm pretty awesome dad of the year I Why did it take that long for him to calm down? I don't know. I didn't even realize. The time just flew by. I read him the rebel book twice. I tell him no books at nighttime and then I just cuddle him and talk to him. Oh, see. I caved.

I didn't know that we were doing no books at nighttime. But because it was getting to be a problem. Yeah, I shouldn't have read him a book. I said when the sun's not out. I also gave him like 20 books in his grip He just had a ton of books in there Because I told him he could honestly an idea that I had that I think might work Give him like a teeny tiny like a teen like the smallest of a flashlight That way if he is getting stressed or worried about falling asleep He can just look at the picture books in his bed with him until he falls asleep

Because that's what we do like when we're trying to fall asleep and wind down at night we read we read books Yeah, I don't know. I feel bad for the poor guy, but I think the worst is behind cuz last night was much better He only got up at like he got up like three times. Oh, so he got up for you last night Yeah, you woke up in the night with him. Yeah. Oh, I didn't even realize that so what like when did he wake up? I look about like 930 Okay, and I didn't even have to go in because he wasn't really that upset and he just fell back to sleep within like five minutes Okay, but at like 221 you know, you always remember the exact time when your kids wake up in the night You always remember the exact time was it's 221. He was upset and it sounded pretty he sounded pretty upset

So I went in and I just held him and I cuddle him on the little recliner. And I'm like, how do you feel? Do you feel like, and he'll usually tell me he feels like sadness. And he used the inside out characters. Then he's like, I feel like sadness. And I was like, you know what?

I was like, you're gonna feel like joy in the morning because you're a big kid now. And like, I was like trying to make him excited for the next day. And I was like, I always remind him, I'm like, you're safe, you're loved. Like mommy's always, and then here's the other thing, he's like me.

If I tell him I'm gonna check on him in 15 minutes, he goes to sleep. He has a better chance of going to sleep. It was really sweet, because at 4.45 when I went in there, he was kind of losing it. But then when I held him and I was like, it's okay buddy, it's all gonna be okay. I could like,, he was kind of losing it. But then when I like, I held him and I was like, it's okay buddy, it's all gonna be okay.

I could like, once I was holding him. Feel his heart rate slow down. I could feel his heart rate slow down. Yeah, just me holding him. I felt him completely relaxed. Yes, we're his safe people. We are safe people, but it was, it's hard though, because holding him makes him relax.

But according to the literature that I've read about helping your kids fall asleep you're only supposed to do like a one to two minute check-in and then let them figure it out on their own and so I'm like I really shouldn't have been in there for 45 minutes helping him wind down because I feel like that kind of just woke him up even more. It didn't wake him up more. You don't think so? No. You have like a mama bear instinct though. It didn't. You have you have some sort of like special skill in that area that I don't like you're saying I'm right or wrong. You speak a language with Griffin that I don't speak with Griffin at this point. Well, you just kind of think he's just a little human. He's just a little person. Yeah.

So the same things that are gonna make you upset are very similar things that'll make him upset. Like if I took your freaking sound machine away, you'd be livin', you'd be flippin' tense. I'd be flippin' tense. You would be flippin' tense. If I took your melatonin hot cocoa away, you'd be reckless, wouldn't you? I do really like my melatonin hot cocoa.

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it's inhumane really. You know how like some people will skedaddle out of the Midwest in like January? You know, you got like the snowbirds that will go to Arizona in January, February. That's us here in Arizona. We're going to do the reverse of that in Arizona. You actually can't even take your kids outside. Yeah, it's very dangerous to be outside, but our kids love being outside. So I think it'd be good to get away. A month feels a little long, so we'll have to think about that. It's kind of similar though, like you know how you always hear about people dying in the Midwest of like hypothermia and stuff?

No. What? When it gets down to be like negative 10 freaking degrees, there's always- People dying? Yes, in the Midwest or in like Nebraska, like there's always, every winter there's always at least a handful of people that die from freezing to death and the cold. That happens in Arizona, but with the heat,

it's the reverse, it just gets so hot here. I think it's like dehydration too. It gets so freaking hot here. So we just wanna be in a place where we can safely play outside with our kids. And we also realize like- Well also our friends offered us their house. Yes, our friends offered us their house.

How are you gonna turn down a house in Maui? When your friends offer up their house to stay at for free in a beautiful place like Maui, you kinda have to say yes. So I think that sounds like a lot of fun. But we didn't check on dates, so we'll have to see if the month of July is available because my guess is they probably already have

a lot of friends in Arizona that wanna go there during You want to know oh that's that's actually but what's nice about our friend's house in Maui is they have little kids so they have all the things that we need for our little kids so that our kids have a Great time we need to go to the dollar store because our kids have in plain with there are friends Okay, beach toys. Okay, And it's all from there? And they're all the beach toys at the Dollar Store are amazing so we should stock up before we go to Hawaii.

And they're only a dollar. A dollar. I don't know if actually they might be like a dollar twenty five now. Do you know all the dollar stores are selling stuff for two bucks now. What the heck? Okay well maybe it's two dollars. What's up with, is that Dollar General? Dollar Tree.

Dollar Tree used to be a dollar but now they sell stuff that's over a dollar. Really? Talk about a crappy way to name a company. If you're like, everything here is a dollar, just kidding, it's not anymore because of inflation. They weren't accounting for it. They should actually make that their slogan. It's like, inflation tree.

Everything's a dollar, just kidding, it's not anymore because of inflation. They should have a little, just kidding, inflation screwed up our name. Might hurt business. Yeah. You know, it's just a way to get you in the door, right? Okay, well we need to go because they have these like little lobster toys that our kids are obsessed with.

And it just, what is it, is it electronic? It's for like, no, it's a little clamper. You know that clamper thing? It's like little tongs, but it's a lobster. Oh. And you can pick up sand with it. That's cool. They think it's so fun. That's fun, yeah.

So we'll have to stock up before we go. Hopefully we can go in July. I don't know. You can just send a text. I just want to go surfing again. It's gonna be really weird if he hears it first on this podcast. I mean you want to go to his house. Remind me to text our friend after this podcast that he doesn't hear about it from the podcast but I want to go. I want to surf again. I made a bunch of friends that live on Maui when I was on the surf trip a month ago so I think

this is gonna be fun. Yeah but it's gonna be a shame because we'll have just gotten our backyard done. If yeah okay by the way we're redoing our backyard. We're not redoing we're doing it because it's literally a dirt pit. It's a dirt pit and right now. It's giving valley fever right now. Yeah but guess what guys our trees went in so we put in some ficus in the back which are gonna hedge together to form this beautiful wall That'll kind of give us like some privacy in our backyard and it just brings in so much like life I appreciate you taking on this project cuz it overwhelmed me. Yeah, I'm doing this all by myself. Actually. I took it on I do have some help from people like you're asking me up my opinion

But I'm like, I don't even I don't even it over. Like I kind of, I have help managing the workers. We have someone who's helping us with the design and everything, but it's been, it's actually been like a lot, even just like coming up with all the concepts and ideas. It's, we're doing a pool. Well, you're starting with nothing. Should I give them a rundown of what our backpacks would be?

Okay, so we're gonna have a pool, which is gonna be L-shaped, and then we're gonna have a raised spa, which is a hot tub, and then there's gonna be water going off of the edge of the spa into the pool, and then to the right of that, we're gonna have a pergola with an 85-inch TV where people can watch a movie from the pool, from the spa, from the fire pit, which is gonna be to the right of the- We should do flicking floats. That's exactly what I wanna do.

I wanna do flicking floats in the pool, and then people could be chilling, roasting some s'mores by the fire to the right of the pergola, or sitting on the sectional, which is an outdoor sectional in front of the 85-inch TV. I just think it's gonna be so nice to have- This sounds unreal.

Parties at our house. Host friends, host family, Sunday dinners can be outdoors now. I wanna get a little Mr. system going on the pergola so it's like nice and cool. Cause Mr. is lower the temperature by a lot when it's hot. Oh, they say like 15 degrees. Something like that.

And then to the left of that, we're gonna do a big turf patch where our kids can kick around a soccer ball or throw a football when they learn how to throw a football One day it's gonna be cool. This doesn't feel real. Like I cannot even believe that we'll have such a cool backyard. I'm so excited I'm really excited. Oh, this has been in the works now. We won't go to Maui I know well, I think we'll get to enjoy hopefully the backyard for the entire month of June Oh, it's not gonna be done. You don't think it's gonna be done by June?

I'm hoping it is. That's what they- I mean, I think it's gonna be positive, but I think that might be a little bit. They told me it'd be done by June is what they said, but we always know things take longer than what people say they're gonna take. So-

That's exciting. Yeah, I'm very excited for all of that to be finished. Pretty soon coming up, we got both of our grandma's 80th birthdays. Wait what? Your grandma's turning 82? The day that we come in is her 80th birthday and then your grandma's turning 80, like literally less than a week after that. I realize our grandmas weren't that close in age.

Me neither. That's gonna be fun. Okay here's my thing though babe, I looked on the calendar, can we actually talk about this right now? What? Are we gonna be back in the midwest for over a week? No we need to shorten it. We need to shorten it. Okay, yes, please can we shorten that trip? Because I saw that it was over a week and I'm like who scheduled this and what were they thinking? I think the flights were just cheaper but we

needed to pay a little bit extra. I already told Addy we needed to shorten that because I was like that's crazy. Yeah, it's like a week and a half. It's ever... Yeah. We're gonna be so unproductive too. We're gonna be out of our routine. We're not gonna be around our friends. We need to spend quality time with the grandmas. Go to the party. Here's the thing, if we're there for a very long time, we're not gonna spend quality time with the grandmas.

If we're there for just a couple days, we can fully immerse ourselves in their environment, focus on them, not do anything, but just like hang with them and then fly home. Because if we're there for a really long time, I think we're just gonna get carried away. We're gonna try to find a way to stay productive and do everything we do in Arizona, but in the Midwest.

And then it's just gonna kind of take my grandma's already so excited though. She's thinking of all the kids things we can do and Quincy with them. Can we just give her like two full days of like, we're doing more than that. Okay, three full days. Oh, okay, more than that. We'll do more than that. Okay, three full days. Oh, okay, more than that.

We'll do more than that, yes. For my grandma though, we're going to an 80th birthday party, which will be really fun. Yes. And I hope she doesn't listen to this podcast. We shouldn't clip this because I'm gonna surprise her at the 80th birthday party.

I don't think she listens to our podcast anymore. So I think we're good. She knows that we're coming, I think. I don't think she does. I think we're gonna surprise her at the 80th birthday. Did you ask your mom? Cause I think she probably told him. My mom didn't tell my daughter. Oh, she's a surprise. Oh I'm glad you told me that because I almost texted your grandma. Don't text my grandma

Yeah, don't text her but I doubt she listened to this podcast episode if she does though, she'll know that we're coming Don't say it then I Don't think she listened to this okay, you think she does Maybe not. I think she does? Maybe not. I think it's been a while. This is her test. We're already a hundred episodes into this. I feel like if she's still listening to it at this point, there's a lot more that we

need to be concerned about. That's so true. That's literally so true. Wait, does your grandma listen to our podcast? Actually I think she does. I'm not tired of it. People see the clips. That's what can get us in trouble is the clips.

Yeah, the clips make me not even want to talk. I have a podcast anymore. That's not good. Why do you say that? I'm just so sick and tired of being misunderstood. When you like go to take a bath and you go to watch a YouTube video and then you'll see. You're taking the words out of my mouth.

I said that on the right here. Okay, sorry. I'm just wondering how many times a girl can get in a bathtub at the end of the day just ready to wind down and then see my freaking face on somebody else's drama tea gossip channel with things that are just completely just one thousand percent not true or just like like that is where I'm kind of like okay I'm ready to be done because this is just so freaking annoying. More than anything, it's just annoying

to just constantly feel like people are skeptical of you, are wanting to make you a villain, wanting to twist your words, wanting to misunderstand you, wanting to assume they'll worsen you, wanting to think that you're someone that you're completely not. There comes a point where, like we never address it because you kind of have that mentality of like,

the lion does not, it sounds so narcissistic. Don't say that, don't say it, cut that out. You gotta have this mindset where I'm like, okay, I'm not going to feed into that narrative, but then here I am talking about it right now because I'm just so freaking sick of it. Oh yeah, that's frustrating. Do you not feel that way? I feel I have a lot

of feelings. But also if you're offended by something that we've posted, we work so diligently to just speak our mind, be authentic and genuine to ourselves, but only talk about ourselves, not talk about other people. And also be as, we really care about making people, like making content that makes people happy and that is authentic and that is not offensive and yet some people still want to take issue with it and at that point that's where I feel defeated. Well I mean I was in Walgreens the other day getting some medicine when I was sick again because I feel like I just keep getting sick all the time and And I see all the tabloids.

And one of the tabloids is like, are Hailey and Justin splitting? It's like Hailey and Justin, Hailey looks like she's not happy, Justin seems upset. Justin, and it's like, what is all this stupid BS? Nobody has a clue what's actually going on in their life.

And people just wanna, and it's all the tabloids that are trying to make money off of them and they do a very good job of it and that's just all this is too. I look at it like that, we are not even close to whatever you want to call the fame that Justin Bieber has, but when I see people comment on their marriage, on the Bieber's marriage and speculate all this stuff. I I get it. It makes sense. There's there's a lot of money in that and it's super nasty

It's disgusting what people say and how people speculate about their marriage, but people kind of just think oh well, they're celebrities Here's my opinion. We can say whatever we want, you know We talk enough about our lives like Haley and Justin are like trying to seek privacy Yeah, so that's like their own, I think they are, I don't really keep up with them. But they are trying to, they're not speaking about that type of stuff, right? Yeah.

So I'm like, first of all, that makes it even worse in a way that they're talking about their marriage because they're not even choosing to speak about that topic. But then also I'm like like we talk enough about our life like, you know, we're putting it I Don't know Why is that even interesting for other people? I just think comes down to money babe. I just think I think all these media outlets

Make so much money off of drama and so they love it. They just they don't care about you, which is sad, you know I don't care that they don't care about there, which is sad. You know, it's sad. I don't care that they don't care about me. There's a lot of people out there that just don't, they just, they're selfish and they just think about themselves and it's like, how can I make money? How can I monetize someone else's drama and blow it up into something?

And that's why, that's why you have the TMZs of the world, except now the TMZs of the world exist on social media. They're on TikTok, they're on YouTube. They just, they're just a different face, a different name. It's someone that is making the same style of content, but as a creator. Do you even know what they say? I've watched them before.

Why? Because I was curious, because I wanted to know, but I've watched it and it was very hurtful. It put me into like a very dark place, but I'm on the other side now and I just, I don't care what they have to say because I know it's all BS just to make them money. It's all BS.

They just care about dollar signs, that's it. They don't care about you, they don't care about me. They don't care about anybody that they're talking about. And they try to act like they're the moral superior person to be talking about. Yeah, but you know nothing about them personally. I just know that they're the moral superior person to be talking about. Yeah, but you know nothing about them personally. I just know that they're. That's what I'm saying.

Like you don't know anything about them personally. There's nothing that anyone else could do. No other drama channel could look at the person who started their drama channel and be like, oh, here's the drama on this drama person. That's actually not true. Really? So what's interesting, so one of the,

there was a girl that made a video about me where she just trash talked me for however long. Oh my gosh, don't watch that shit. No, no, but what's interesting, so one of the, there was a girl that made a video about me where she just trash-talked me for however long. Oh my gosh, don't watch that, Chase. No, no, but what's crazy about her is I went to her page and it was actually, it was kinda sad because you could see how she had tried to be a lifestyle vlogger. She had all these videos.

Oh, that's the story of all those drama people. All these videos of her trying to make videos about her life, no one cared. They all had like a thousand views. I would never watch a video, 1000% about us, and I would 1000% never watch a video that's made about anybody else because I just do not support bullying. I do not support that. And I just want you guys to know that if you watch those videos, you're also supporting the cause. So, and also if you're the person that feels the need to make those videos, I don't know, maybe like deep within, do a deep dive of yourself.

Yeah. Like just do a little deep dive. Something I'm trying to do, like whenever I see negative comments, I've been having fun in the comment sections now whenever like there was a People Magazine article like a month ago that was posted about me and there was a ton of negative comments on it and I was just trolling all the people in the comments just because like I think I've started to care less, which has been really freeing. Like I care less about my persona online because I know who I am and I know who I have,

like good community now and life has gotten so much better. And so I was just having fun in the comment section, trolling the people back. But what I've also been doing too is like not playing into it and be like, yeah, we need to cancel Matt because I've done that. I've commented back like, yeah he's horrible we should cancel him. Why would you say that? Just just screwing around with the with these negative people online but I almost like even more like saying saying something actually kind to them like but like out of a genuine place

like actually commenting. I have nothing genuinely kind to say to those people. I know and I know what they say is so dark, but how I like to look at it is like if you're leaving a comment that dark and that twisted on someone, a human being's page online, you probably have a lot of dark stuff going on in your life. And so I started also doing some kind comments too, where I was just genuinely saying, hey, I hope your day gets better like hey, I I hope things look up for you, but not but not in a way That's like I'm better than you and all this like I was genuinely saying these comments in a way that I want them to Their life to get better And so maybe that's my ass for you guys like if you ever see a negative post or a negative comment Maybe just try commenting something positive because I think there's just so much

darkness out there and that's what this has opened my eyes to, like hurting people, hurt people hurt people, that is true. The people that hurt people in our world have probably been hurt deeply by someone else and myself included, like when I was feeling the weight and the pressure of all this hate towards me at one point, it broke me. It was hard, but I feel like if we can just be positive towards negative voices in our world, it's going to help. Try leaving a positive comment next time you see a negative comment on anybody's social

media post online. Yeah. I just kind of wanted to talk about that because I feel like I've done the ignoring game for next time you see a negative comment on anybody's social media post online. Yeah, I just kind of wanted to talk about that because I feel like I've done the Gnorn game for so long and like it works to an extent, but then there's people in my literal real life that are like, oh, like I saw this and like, obviously it's not true, but like I'm so sorry. Yeah. And then I'm like the fact that real people are seeing these things and looking at it and then they actually don't know me, just here's my message to you get it from the source and I

Don't know don't support internet bullying. It's just it's simply the same thing as bullying just online, you know doesn't really make it okay and We got to really work on that. Yeah, and also it does not an ounce Change how I view myself, how I view our marriage, how I view our family. I know who I am, I know who we are, I know what we've got going here, and I know that it's healthy and good and stable, and anyone that has any opinion other than that has never met us, I guarantee that.

We have an awesome circle of people that holds us accountable and loves us so well, and I deeply, deeply trust them. And, you know, that's why people don't last doing this, and that's why I'm not gonna last. That's why I'm gonna disappear one day. Well, I love you. I love you too.

And I want you to be able to take a bath in peace. I know, well, I stopped getting on, I stopped, okay, deleted TikTok a long time ago. Have extreme limits on Instagram. Now YouTube I'm gonna have to get rid of too. Yeah. God damn. Let's, at least we got,

hey, we got one. I liked YouTube. I liked YouTube ever since I was like freaking 12 years old. Now that one's gone too. You can just, anytime you see a drama channel promoted to you. I always say not interested. Just say not interested. I always do that, and I think my YouTube knows

that that's gonna rise out of me. Oh, but which, are you watching from the Matt and Abby channel? Yeah. Where do you watch from? Maybe you need to change, like make a different account. Cause there's no ads on that one. Make it, but make a different account under our main account.

Or, here's the worst thing. What? I'm pulling up Miss Rachel for my kids. Okay. And guess what? It's like, Matt worst thing. I'm pulling up Miss Rachel for my kids. Okay. And guess what? It's like Matt and Abby, I'm not even gonna give the title of one of these because I don't even wanna fricking promote these,

but I'm like, wow, I'm just fricking trying to show Miss Rachel my kids. And then there's my fricking face. Yeah. On a drama channel. Have you ever thought about the fact, like what if our kids watch one of these? Maybe what we're realizing is we just need

to start a drama channel. Cause they've, they're making millions off of us're realizing is we just need to start a drama channel because they've got yeah they're making millions off of us babe maybe we need to start being like Justin and Haley Bieber no it's we're gonna put our own faces oh yeah maybe it's us maybe we're roasting ourselves maybe that's what this is maybe this whole podcast no cuz here's the thing that you should know about that I got self-respect but maybe maybe we need make create drama about ourselves make a drama channel Give the money to charity make a drama channel and take all the money you make from take the millions you make from the drama

Channel give it to charity. I don't want that dirty money It's dirty money all these people running these drama channels are dirt dirty dirty dirty dirty wait wait we never talked about this I noticed you're drinking all a pop right now. I am did you'm probably canceled for drinking this. The Poppy controversy. What is your opinion? I heard they were delivering vending machines to people. That was their marketing budget. And some people wanted them to give that to homeless people, I guess. Is that what the controversy was about? I think they were just mad that they spent so much money on sending people personal vending machines to their house. Do you guys know how much Coca-Cola and Pepsi spend on their marketing budgets? I don't. It's billions of dollars. So if you're mad about- So you don't think it's a problem? If Poppy wants to spend whatever they spent

on sending vending machines to try to sell more Poppy, that's- Okay, but say it right here right now. Do you like Ollie Pop or Poppy better? That's so tough. I like Ollie Pop. Which one makes the wild berry flavor? But I don't like that Ollie Pop was being shady to Poppy.

But Poppy makes cream soda now.lypop was being shady to Poppy. But Poppy makes cream soda now. Poppy makes the Wild Berry one too. And they also are sending us free poppies. Okay fine I like Poppy better. Not sponsored, not sponsored, but Poppy, the cream soda Poppy is fire, the Wild Berry Poppy is fire. No actually, I actually might like- But orange squeeze Olypop is good. I like both of them. Sorry, do I have to pick a side? Do I have to pick a side? Hey, I'm talking. Okay, I'm listening. My favorite flavor is the Alipop grape,

but there's more flavors of Poppy I like. Ooh, but the Apple Alipop is good too. Yeah. I like the Poppy orange creamsicle, and the wild berry. Yeah. And all of them actually. Dude, why do I think it would be so funny

if we made a whole new YouTube channel when we wore fake mustaches and then pretended to be sharing the tea on Matt and Abby. That'd be so funny. That'd be so funny. I have tea on you actually. I have tea on you. We could, let's do it.

You wanna do it? My tea is that you keep leaving the toilet seat up in the middle of the night. I'm so sorry. And I you keep leaving the toilet seat up in the middle of the night I'm so delusional and tired and I almost fall my whole cheeks are I don't have a big butt babe I should be canceled for that but just falls right in the toilet. I'm sorry Your butt is so cute to little when I go to smack it. I always miss because that's too much information You're saying you miss because it's that small? Shut up, you were saying it's bigger. I love it.

You were saying it's bigger recently. It's getting bigger. You've been doing the squats and your butt is, I love it. Okay, you know what? At least it's perky and it's round. And your butt is great. I love your butt. It's a great butt.

What was that high five? You just freaking. I don't know, I was doing the butt thing. That wasn't even, what even, you just like hit your nail. I'm not gonna high five that. I'm not gonna high five that. I will be better about putting the toilet seat down in the middle of the night.

I'm so sorry. Okay, what's your key on me? I got so much I'd have to do a whole podcast on it. Shut up. You will fart without even realizing it in the car and be like, was that me? I do! And I'm like, babe, like for it to smell this bad in the car right now, someone had to have farted and I know it wasn't me.

The time that we... What? I feel like I've been so gassy recently. What? What happened? Me too, but what what happened to you? We were about to have... Oh you farted, oh my god. We were about to... We were about, yeah. Um, mommy daddy time. Mommy daddy time, and then it just...

Where did that come from? No, I said, Matt, I feel like I have to. And you said, go for it. I said, go for it. I didn't think it was gonna be that loud. Oh my God. It didn't take you out of the mood, apparently. I was still game.

I was still game. I'm always game. We gotta end this podcast because we always start to talk about this topic. Thanks for griping it out with us, you guys. No, life is great, actually, right now. Life is really great. Yeah, I feel good. I feel positive. I feel happy. I honestly wannaping it out with us, you guys. No, life is great actually right now. Life is really great. Yeah, I feel good.

I feel positive, I feel happy. I honestly wanna wish everyone a great day except for the person that ruined my bath time. Yeah, screw you. That person can go lick a butt. Go lick a butt. Actually no, we're gonna say something positive to her. We hope that you-

Find a revenue source that is not degrading to other people. I hope that you somehow find a way to make revenue on your lifestyle videos that way people don't go watch your toxic drama channel that makes the world a worse place. I hope your life becomes entertaining enough. And I know that you make hundreds of thousands of dollars off of your drama channel, probably millions actually, because you get a lot of views, but I just think there's a better way to make money and I don't think that's very ethical of you so I hope that you then you can say a career that you're proud of yeah thanks giving

dinner table with your grandma exactly okay awesome love you guys love you thanks everybody