The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - Eamon & Bec on Van Life, Cancer While Pregnant & Being Engaged for 7 Years

Episode Date: October 23, 2024

Eamon & Bec share their journey of living in a van, navigating a cancer diagnosis during pregnancy, and spending 15 days in the NICU. They also tell the story of when their van broke down in the middle of Mexico, how they are planning a 4-day wedding, and debating whether to change their last name before tying the knot. This episode is sponsored by Chime, ZocDoc, Factor & Dreamland Baby. Chime: Turn everyday purchases into steps toward your financial goals with Chime’s secure credit card. Get started today https://chime.com/UNPLANNED.  ZocDoc: Go to https://Zocdoc.com/UNPLANNED and download the Zocdoc app for FREE!  Factor: Head to https://factormeals.com/unplanned50 and use code UNPLANNED50 to get 50% off your first box plus 20% off your next month.  Dreamland Baby: Go to https://dreamlandbabyco.com and enter code UNPLANNED at checkout for the buy one get one free deal from Dreamland Baby. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Because estrogen is peaking in third trimester and the cancer was estrogen driven. But 33 weeks pregnant, they recommended that we take the baby out. You guys have been engaged for, I think, like seven years. We're going for the world record. We would beat a thousand married couples on who knows each other better. Ooh, guaranteed. Our van broke down in mainland Mexico. The engine like blew up, essentially.

The only option is to get back to America. I ride with this Mexican dude. For like 16 hours. We get to the border and it's like two in the morning. And he says, I can't get you across the border. We sat down with YouTubers, Aiman and Beck, who lived in a Sprinter van traveling the world for six years.

Their relationship began over 10 years ago, but they're just now planning their wedding. Last year, they welcomed their first child together who was born prematurely in an emergency C-section due to Beck's breast cancer diagnosis. We talk about leaving their corporate jobs for life on the road, having a baby in the NICU, and so much more all in today's episode.

What's up dudes? And welcome back to the Unplanned Podcast. Woo! So much energy. Ayman and Beck, thank you so much for being here. I feel like you guys have the most unique life that I've ever heard of. And I am so excited just to get to learn from you, talk to you. I mean, you guys lived in a van for many years. You guys have been engaged for, I think, like seven years.

We're going for the world record. So welcome. Thank you for being years. You guys have been engaged for I think like seven years. We're going for the world record. So welcome. Thank you for being here. Thank you. Thank you guys for having us. We're stoked. I was just saying to you off camera that I had the pleasure of really getting to know you guys because we're doing like a pod swap. Yes. So I like to like, you know, creep on my peeps and it's no wonder you are so popular and so loved by so many people. Honestly, I'm gonna get emotional, but you're just such authentic, beautiful people. And the honor is really ours to be sat with you here today.

And I can't wait to learn from you. Oh, my gosh. Thank you. You are so kind. No, it's true. Wow. We feel that same exact way about you guys. It's true. I don't know what to say. That was really nice. That was like the nicest thing. That's the nicest thing I've ever been told. Get used to it, man.

She's got, we all, we all, way more. I tuned into my heart on the way here. I was like, I just can't wait to meet you guys and just express that truly. Honestly, I think the world needs more authentic people online and I think you both are doing it, you know? And it's so inspiring to see like how hardworking you are too. You obviously have an amazing family and seem to have that on lock. And then also the amount of content I see from you.

Every time I open up my freaking feed, I see it. And I'm like, we're not doing enough. These guys are posting three TikToks today. No, I'm just kidding. But it is inspiring. I just want to brag on you guys because I can't even imagine going through what you guys have been through this past year

and even years before that. And I feel so encouraged by your story and what you're doing and meanwhile like you're growing a family and running a tea company and so much so I want to go back to the beginning I guess back to Ayman you at one point were Beck's boss and then you guys started dating I want to say that's how you guys first met but can we go back to the days of living in a van because I just think it's so fascinating that you guys did that, like van life. You actually did it. How long did you guys live in a van for? Well, yeah, if you want to talk about me being her boss as well, like that's my favorite topic because the tides have definitely shifted now.

Let's wait. Let's start there. Yeah. Okay. So you were Beck's boss. So it's funny because- So much pride in that. So in Canada we have like university, which is like typically a four year degree, and then we have college, which you guys I think would call community college. So I went to community college, which is like a two year degree,

and she went to prestigious university. Okay. And then we applied for the same job, and I got the job, so. Oh, you were opening that same job? It's just dudes winning in life, don't worry. It's just dudes winning. life, don't worry. I crushed the interview.

So then she was actually working at the company for so long. She was way more qualified than me, but I ended up being her boss for a few years and that's how we met. A few months actually. You were my boss for a few months. Really Eamon excelled at that company because I was his like, reporter. Right hand lady. Yeah, exactly.

So we met working together, but I think it was really beautiful because it showed us how much we love working together. So before we were even a couple, we knew what it like, the dynamic of boss. It's all we've ever known is working together. And also like having such a strong friendship. Like we both admit that we liked each other when we started working. She was way out of my league.

I was typically going for much less educated type girls. And she was really smart and gorgeous and super loving. And so anyway, we were working together and then I basically said I'm gonna quit my job and go travel. And she's like, well, I'm waiting to hear back from our cruise ship, so I were working together and then I basically said like, I'm going to quit my job and go travel. And she's like, well, I'm waiting to hear back from a cruise ship, so I'll join you. So we ended up going to Thailand and then within a few nights in Thailand, you know, some things happened.

We hooked up and then... Were you guys dating at that point? Well, we weren't like dating dating, but we were like traveling together. We were just in love. You want to know like the deets or what? No, no, I'm just like, what do but we were like traveling together. We were just in love. You wanted to like the deets or what? No, I'm just like, what do you... Let's go back.

No, I guess, what was like, what was the title of your relationship at that point? Friend. Well, like, depends who you ask. If you ask like, if you ask like my family and her family, you're like, oh, it's a matter of time kind of thing. Yeah. So everyone we would meet, like we were backpackers. We were 20 years old and backpacking the world and people, we would be in a room with like

20 people and they'd be like Oh, so how long have you guys been together and I'd be over there and he'd be over there kept getting that I'm like No, no, no, he's just my friend, but we were totally in like it was just it was just a matter of time But I think we were both in a phase of life Like I had had long-term relationships and university and stuff and I loved being single So it's like that old thing they say when you don't want a relationship it happens for you or when you're like really happy being alone then the love kind of happens. So that's what happened for us. We were going to travel Asia and then go and live in Australia and we kept, I kept being like I'm going to meet the most sexy Australian girl. You wait, Beck. You wait. She became the sexy

Canadian girl. What did your parents think about all this? Like you guys just randomly leaving the country. Yeah, you kind of just were like, yeah, I said I was gonna go travel and you're gonna travel and then we just did it together. Like that was a big leap together. Like I guess you've known each other already at that point for a couple years. Yeah, but then like your parents are much more traditional.

We had like a dinner where it's like, bring this Aiman guy over for dinner. And like I went and met her family and then her family was just like, oh, there's something special between you two. They could tell. Yeah, I think we fast forward our life because we think it's normal,

but I will go back because that was a big moment. Like we had these career jobs that we had gone to school for and we were working in our careers and something just came over both of us and we're like, there's gotta to be more to life than this. Like it was really a grind at this company for very little pay, which I think is very normal for entry level jobs. 38,000 a year.

Yeah. That's what we were getting paid. And we were working like- Canadian. Yeah. Do you know what Canadian is? Is Canadian worth less than the US dollar? Quite significantly less.

Like 30% less. Okay. Oh wow. So we're talking like, I don't, I can't do quick math in my head, but somewhere around 30 grand probably US dollars. And you guys were how old at the time? Just 20. Like it was young.

It was an entry level job for sure, but I think we both bring such energy to our work and we were like, whoa, like all of this, 80 hours and all this energy for very little back. And I had applied to dance on cruise ships so I grew up dancing and in the way yeah I know I know that about you guys so I was just waiting and I'm like that's what I want to do I'm just gonna wait for the call because did you guys ever like it's very particular like you have to have the right head size for wigs and like you have to match with like the male partner that works and it's like all of these things have to come together for it to be your time

So I was like I'll work at this job and then you know and then he said oh well I'm gonna go to Asia and I'm like I could wait for my cruise ship call in Asia So then I tagged on and at that point you guys weren't youtubers, right? So you were just kind of you you were just bumming it, right? You went out with total bums. We saved up like $10,000 and we booked a one-way ticket to Thailand. With like no, that's the first time I discovered YouTube actually,

is because I'd go home and try and search like Thailand. Like what do the streets of Thailand look like on YouTube? And I'd see these really crappy GoPro videos. So I bought a GoPro and we made our first video. It's the worst video you could imagine. It's like a shaky GoPro clip out of the bus, out of the train. Like it was just horrible. No talking to camera and we'd like message everyone at home like, have you watched our 30 minute episodes? Like why aren't you watching it?

But we uploaded to YouTube purely to share with our family. That was our first upload. That's really sweet. It's funny you mentioned the crappy footage because I went back and edited our honeymoon vlog from over five years ago and same thing, I was looking at this footage and I was like, what was I thinking man? It's like me recording. I was like, no, no, and I was like, this footage is bad. So I had a, it took me a while.

But at the time, do you remember like doing the edit and you're like This is the dopest thing ever in there cuz like, you know, you're somewhere new that you've never been before Yeah, you were just so excited Yeah, like adrenaline overload just so excited to be somewhere out of where you grew up and everything's new and everything's exciting Did your parents like did they have any concern for you guys going to Thailand and like, hey, maybe you should focus a little bit more on your career? Like what were they saying to you? Honestly, my parents are so amazing.

They didn't want anything crazy for their lives or maybe they did, but they ended up like as a teacher and a cop essentially. And they just always, always supported me, whether they understood it or not. They were like, you got to go and follow your heart and that's what they kind of said. I think they were really nervous and kind of like, what's going on? Both our set of parents were very supportive. They had no idea it was going to turn into like six years that we basically didn't come

home. We'd come home like Christmas and the odd time, but yeah, overall like they were always like, when are you moving home? When are you moving home? When are you moving home? But they saw happy we were, and you know. I think that's the thing about us, we're all parents now, I can only imagine Frankie coming to me one day

and being like, I really wanna go and do this thing. Maybe I don't understand it, but if her heart is in it, I'm like, go for it, babe, you know? I can't imagine saying no. Yeah. Even if I don't understand it, I feel like I hope to be that kind of parent. So our parents are amazing.

Yeah. Do you guys ever think to do van life with Frankie? Gosh. I was just saying to Aiman the other day, I think we should do like a fun trip. Yeah. But we are way too like creature comforts now. Like I don't know.

Honestly, we were like we lived in a van for five years. So we've done a lot of van life. But a trip would be fun. What has been the most surreal experience living in a van? I'm sure you guys have some wild stories from living in a van for five years. We did a lot of travel in Canada throughout the States. There were definitely some sketchy nights.

Actually, a lot of it in America. Remember that time we were in Chicago? Very sketchy neighborhoods. Just sleeping at night and you just hear things and you just feel very unsafe. Was it gunshots? Yeah, or just people walking by the van, banging the van, and you just stay huddled in there.

Or in New York one time, we were in Brooklyn and we were sleeping and then this massive crew came and sat on our back bumper. What? Yeah, like a tiny little van. They sat there and they were just smoking a joint. Did they know you were in there? No. No.

And we're like, what do we do? Do we stay quiet? Should we stay quiet? I was like, should I turn on the light? Should I beat the horn? Like I have no idea what to do. And we're just like, okay, let's just stay quiet. And we just stayed quiet for like half an hour and then they left.

Did the whole van smell like weed after that? Like what? It was definitely smelling like weed. Yeah. But I think like we've had so many beautiful moments too. Like our van was in Morocco when the pandemic happened. Okay. So 2020 we shipped our van over from Canada to Europe and drove it all the way down to Morocco.

And as the pandemic hit, we were in Morocco and they shut everything down. So the two of us and our best friend, Lee, were living in this tiny van together and we couldn't even like go on the streets or go grocery shopping, but we were on the beach, living in Morocco. It was kind of amazing. Like I know the pandemic was so hard for so many people and of course there was a lot of adjustments we had to make,

but that time was so special and I'll always be really- It felt so surreal because we were so disconnected. It felt like we were so disconnected from the world. And we were just living on the beach, walking barefoot up the street, buying bread from the local guy and eating fruit. And then you see these clips of pandemic and everyone in New York City, they're all got masks

and no one's going to work. And we were just like, what is happening with life? We literally thought life was ending, right? And we were all scared, like, oh, should with life? We literally thought life was ending, right? And we couldn't have, we were all scared, like, oh, should we leave, should we leave? And we were kind of like, well, we're in the best situation possible. We've got our house, we've got a beautiful beach.

The people in Morocco are so friendly. So that was like a really cool experience to be able to, you know, kind of thrive during the pandemic. We did end up leaving because we got like the last flight out and it was quite lucky to be able to get access to that. But we've also driven down to Mexico in the van, like we've had some some pretty big adventures. Our van broke down in mainland Mexico right in the middle. First time going into Mexico, the engine like blew up essentially, like metal. I don't know what

actually happened, but like the metal got in the oil and so the motor was completely destroyed and this is our home, right? And so we're in Queretaro, Mexico and we were at the Mercedes dealership and they don't use the same motors and we ended up spending so much time trying to get translation, figuring what's going on with our van. We ended up figuring out that we can't fix it in Mexico. The only option is to get back to America. So we throw it on a flatbed and I ride with this Mexican dude up to the border.

For like 16 hours, Ayman and this man. 16 hours? Yeah, yeah, we're in the middle of Mexico. And we get to the border and it's like two in the morning and there's like prostitutes everywhere. It's like this sketch the morning and there's like prostitutes everywhere. It's like this sketchy sketchy border town. And I'm thinking like, whoa, this was a horrible idea. Like I'm using Google Translate to talk to this guy and he says, I can't get you across the border. And the plan was always for him to get me to Texas. He didn't have a passport. I don't think.

And he's like, I can't do it. And I was like, what are you talking about, dude? Like my car is here. And he was like, started to offload the car. And I'm freaking out thinking I'm gonna be stuck in this little town. Where are you at at this point? I stayed back because I thought, well, I don't need to be on this. I just was like in a hotel in California.

It's a one man adventure. Why, like we have friends that are from Mexico and they've even told us like, there's parts of the border that they're very scared of. The borders are sketch. Like they're Mexican and they're like, I love Mexico. It's great, but the border is where they get scared. So hearing about you almost getting dropped off there, bro.

So he offloaded your van? So he offloaded the van and I'm still not sure what's going on. Finally, he hit someone else, like his uncle or something calls me and he explains in broken English, I'm coming to get you. And I said, well, who are you? Like, are you affiliated with this tow truck company? And I'm just like, okay, sweet, dude, you're coming to get me. And he said, well, who are you? Like, are you affiliated with this tow truck company? And I'm just like, okay, sweet, dude, you're coming to get me. And he shows up with a Subaru. And I'm like, what's the plan here, bro? And he throws chains onto the van and drives me. I

didn't even know you could do this. He like towed me across the border and like really sketched because like the hill was coming, so we had to go faster in the hill because the no one was in the van like using the brakes you know so we could have like the van could have it was sort of believable did you vlog any of this yeah i think we have a whole video of it yeah okay that's good i need to watch that now i'm like so i'm so it was hilarious and and we had made it to texas we ended up putting it on a flatbed driving it to the mercedes dealership we made like a whole merch campaign to try and get a new engine. We sold a bunch of merch, paid for a new engine. They threw a new motor in, then I drove back down to Mexico.

You could make a whole entire feature film about this story. I know, honestly. That was very resilient of you. Thank you. It was awesome. Yeah, I think there's something about Eamonn that our friend Louie and you were just talking about this. like Louis's traveled The world for years and years and it's like you both kind of love that kind of chaotic

Am I gonna go to jail like yeah, like when we get a flat tire, it's like it's go time It's like time for me to shine The only time I'm okay with something bad happening is like if I'm making a video, I'm like, hey, you know what, this is unfortunate that this, I got a flat tire right now. Yeah. But this makes for an interesting video. Yeah, you YouTube long enough, you start to,

it's a weird thing. It's like, oh. And it's like, you know what, it's one of those things too where something bad happens to you, you're gonna tell people that story forever. Just like, you know, now I have this- I love memories.

So I'm like, okay, this is really not ideal, but this is going to be a good story one day. I have this dumb memory of this stupid thing happening to me and now I can laugh about it with my friends. Yeah, like, that's a good story. Yeah. Thank you. That's a good story to have. So Morocco, would you guys say that was one of your favorite countries to visit?

Because I didn't realize, like, that's pretty freaking sick that you shipped your van across the ocean. So like, where would you say from everywhere that you visited is like, where would the coolest place be that you really connected to? We took our van down through Baja Mexico, so like down the peninsula of Mexico, and we actually started a dog sanctuary in Cerritos. Yeah. So we just saw like all the stray dogs there and we kind of settled last or two winters ago and it felt like we were creating this

community and it just felt so wrong to be able to witness like all these stray dogs and the culture there doesn't really consider dogs as pets and we love dogs and so we found ourselves like just in a weird series of events opening a dog rescue there. It was amazing. And I think that was the most connected to a place that's not Canada that we've ever felt. Yeah, we met this dude, Alejandro, who runs a hotel,

so far so good, shout out, in Cerritos. Really cool hotel. And then he was like, hey, I've got this extra piece of land. And he had already started taking in puppies, and he had a really sketchy piece of cardboard with a bunch of puppies and we're like, well, we're YouTubers, we could maybe raise some awareness

and try and make some money. We ended up making it way bigger than it was originally planned to be because he had a nice piece of land right on the strip of the beach and an old shipping container and we're like, this is perfect, we'll do a cafe, cafe will support the dog shelter.

Aw, that's amazing. And Beck was actually, she was at a bachelorette party. She was away for the three days that this mastermind plan was being baked. This is all your idea. Yeah. I had no idea this was going on. And she gets back and I was like, babe, like how are you doing? Like can I make you a cup of tea?

Yeah, so just like to let everyone get context. Warm her up a little bit. Aiman is like dream, dream, crazy, crazy. We're going to do this, we're going to do that. And he calls me sometimes like the dream crusher. But really what I am is like, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that. I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that. I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that context, Eamon is like, dream, dream, crazy, crazy, we're gonna do this, we're gonna do that. And he calls me sometimes like the dream crusher. But really what I am is like the grounded one.

He's like, okay, how can we take on like 10 projects at once? So I get back from my best friend's bachelorette and he's like, can I make you a tea? What would make you more comfortable? I'm like, what is going on? Like he's like, what did you do? He's like, I need you to wire a large amount of money to Alejandro. I'm like, who's Alejandro? What for? Like I have no clue what is happening and it was the best thing we've ever done. Wait, yeah. So we're, I would say our relationship has been like very traditional, like by the book.

So with finances, like you guys working together, making money together, but your finances were separate? No, always together. No, no, she just does the banking. Oh, okay. I just, I don't remember the password. He doesn't even know how to watch it. I was asking you for a loan, like.

Oh, so you guys, you guys joined your finances together, be like, yeah, because you guys aren't married, so you guys. Like day one in Thailand. Yeah, pretty much. Day one in Thailand. Literally, we're not gonna be like, oh, you buying dinner tonight?

Like we were pretty well. I think we had a month of like, oh, you know, I paid for that hotel. So like then that balanced out with this. And then I was just like, what are we doing? We just. We just knew, you know? If you know, you know.

I'm not so convinced really. Did it take you a while to combine finances? No, we also had no finances to combine. That's exactly how we were. Yeah, We bought a car together when we were dating. Yeah. So funny story about that is our first asset is a JBL Flip Speaker. Let's go.

So we bought that in Bangkok, it was like 160 bucks. And we had a discussion beforehand, like, okay, we're buying this, this is like an asset of ours now. You know, if we break up, like who gets the speaker? Yeah, seriously. It was a big move. We had like no money, it was a big deal. This is like an asset of ours now. You know, if we break up like who gets the speaker? Seriously, that's a big move. We have like no money. It's a big deal. Thank you to Chime for sponsoring this portion of today's episode. You guys, we just bought a house and I was shocked at how much credit came into question when we were trying to get a rate established for our mortgage.

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How long did it take to go from buying a speaker together to like actually combining your bank accounts? Probably a while because we just weren't in Canada that long to do the paperwork. I guess a while. We traveled a lot. We went through Asia and then we went and lived in Australia. We managed a coffee shop in Australia and that's where we got the inspo for making tea. When we were traveling, we would travel and spend all our money and then we'd go and work somewhere. And so we'd work hospitality job, like mopping the floor, making coffee or whatever. And so we were kind of sick of that pattern

and we wanted to make some real money and some reoccurring money if we could and travel while we're making money. And so I had the brilliant idea that I was gonna start a tea company. And she, we were back in Toronto and she was working at like a fancy restaurant with the lipstick and the high heels and it's so not Beck's character.

So she was really just doing it to make money. Didn't enjoy it. And I was like, babe, like I need all your money. We gotta buy some tea. We gotta mix some tea and so yeah, I think that was probably the moment where we connected the finances. So then we combined our finances. Lucky me.

That was when we knew. Yeah. We're gonna start this tea company. Why tea? So I skimmed over that a little bit, but we, so we lived in Australia and I worked at a coffee shop and the cafe owner is amazing, his name's George,

and he has Indian Sri Lankan staff in the kitchen. They developed this amazing chai recipe. And I saw how amazing their coffee scene is, and chai was also extremely popular. And the chai there was like handcrafted, so it was like blended with real spice and ginger and honey. And so then we came back to Canada

and I started working at a cafe, and their coffee was good, but their chai was like a Starbucks syrup. So I was like, hmm, we need to bring that chai back to Canada and we started working at, I started working at a cafe and their coffee was good, but their chai was like a Starbucks syrup. So I was like, we need to bring that chai back to here. Is this your tea right here? This is, yeah, this is a special tea. You should bring it out. Let's see it.

Yeah, let's show it off. This one, Aiman brought for Abby, I think specifically. This is not the chai, but this is our new maternity blend. Oh! I know this talks about a third kid, so. Let's go! Okay, sorry. I want to hear about your chai too though, but this is really cool. We have like I think nine staple blends now, so it's grown from just chai.

I love chai. Yeah, so it started as chai and I would literally, I made the spices in my mom's kitchen and I would sell it at the coffee shop kind of under the table just to get some customer feedback. And so people were like, yo, it's amazing. And I made a kilo of this chai, put like all the money I had together. All my money. Went to Bulk Barn, bought all the spices. And I went and hit the streets.

They didn't even have a car. I like biked down the street to the local cafe. And I was like, hey, I'm Eamon. Like this is my chai. And he's like, great. I love it. I'll buy two. And I was like, all right, I'll be back in an hour. Because I only had one.

So I had to go back to Bulk Barn and make another kilo and that's kind of how the business started. And then we kind of expanded quite quickly just by knocking on doors and showing our product off. And then eventually Beck was like, yo, I'll come work with you and we're gonna build this. Actually, you were quite upset at first because you thought we were giving up on our dreams.

We were making videos at the time. They weren't really doing well. They were still... It wasn't even like YouTube as the dream so much as just traveling. I just wasn't ready to be so settled. You said to me, don't worry. This business is going to be so successful in two months. Then it'll just be making the money as we travel.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever said. Not so much, but it's okay. It's funny because around that time, you actually said that you wanted to be a YouTuber. We sat down and you were like, look, look at Hey Nadine. I don't know if you guys know her. She's like one of the original kind of travel vloggers or fun for Louie. Oh, cool.

And we were like, we can do this. Like we see, and then we would sit down in our, my mom's kitchen and Beck's like, okay, like look at what Nadine did. She did like top 10 things to do in Australia. This is what we need to do. And so we'd sit there and I'd look through all footage and be like, hey, we're aiming at Beck.

This is the top 10 things. And it just, I hated it. It wasn't exciting to make that kind of content, but we were fueled to try and make a living on YouTube. So at the same time we were doing that, we were also doing the tea company. And then we hit a point where we wanted to replicate what we had going on in Toronto.

We had like maybe 50 partners. We wanted to replicate that in Montreal, in Vancouver, in other markets. And we had no money to like fly there, rent a car, get a hotel, it's like ship the T there. And so we had this idea to move into a van and that's where van life kind of started it. And we built out a van. We bought the van for like $8,000 and we put 10,000 into renovating it. And we made content about that

How do you build a van? How do you do solar? How do you you know do laundry living in a van and those videos started getting traction remember? We had like one video had like 50,000 views were like oh my gosh people care We're not just you know another white couple traveling the world That's really cool. Honestly like you were like learning how to do it as you were documenting it. That's cool. How do you convert a van into a livable space? Bro, subscribe. I'll teach you. I'm not a very handy person, I'll be honest. I'm not good at fixing things.

You've got a lot of other skills. I was gonna say. Yeah. Don't nod at yourself. Here's the thing Matt, if you wanted to, you could. Oh, thank you. But you're like, you do a million other things. Do you have curiosity, you could. Oh, thank you. But you're like, you do a million other things.

Do you have curiosity? I do. Yes. So I think that's the key, because if you care to learn how things are built, then you can figure it out. Would you recommend just building it yourself or buying one that's already built? It sounds like for you, maybe just buying it

if it's not really your cup of tea. Every once in a while, Matt will just be like, maybe we should just live in a van. And I'm like, I usually just say yes Maybe just buy Maybe we should just live in a van Say yes because the things that he like gets ideas for that he actually like moves on towards execution phase is like Five well, I would actually recommend like renting it maybe for like yeah weekend, you know get a taste. You only have one life, right? Totally. You gotta take advantage of the life you have. I've had friends die in car accidents. Like you just, you don't know when your final day

is gonna be, so you gotta like really live it up. It's like morbid as that sounds. Matt always talks about morbid things just at the- I don't think that's morbid at all. It's like such a beautiful way to live your life. Our Uber driver on the way here was like, I'm great, and I'm like, really? Like what's making you great?

And he's like, I just make the And I'm like, really? What's making you great? And he's like, I just make the choice that I'm gonna be happy every day. And I was like, that is the key to life, honestly. To wake up every day and just choose happiness. Because all the external stuff can be going on, but you just got today. So, it's a beautiful mountain.

You should live it. Are you a yoga instructor? No. I think you should be. I think you'd be good at it. She could definitely do it. Thank you. Yeah, I do think I could, but I've been going to this new gym that I love where literally

it's not an emotional release, but they have a dance party midway and I'm always crying. I said to my sister-in-law who comes with me, I want to be one of these instructors. She's like, you totally could, but you're kind of busy. I'm like, I know. I don't really have the capacity. I probably shouldn't, but. I think when I'm like 60 I'll be a yoga instructor okay so thank you okay thank you I'm so curious because one of the ways that I found you guys was through Kara and Nate and talking to them opened my mind to so many different things that you can

do as far as travel like they lived on a desert island for a period of time and there was like crabs that, you know, came up on them while they were sleeping and just like random crap like that you'd never think of if you're gonna sleep on a desert island and not have anything and try to find your own water and your own food. What's a similar experience that you guys have had

where you'll never forget that memory? Good question. For me, it's always about the human beings we encounter and the communities that open their hearts and their homes to us. So Eamon and I spent months trekking in Nepal. No phones, no nothing. I would read a book to Eamon at 6 p.m. and then we'd fall asleep at 7 and then we'd get up and hike all day long.

Basically where Everest is, Everest Base Camp, the whole thing. For days and days. That must have been stunning. It was amazing. But what was even more incredible were like, people do organized tours and we just showed up and people would just open their door to their home and be like, come and sleep here, I'll make you a chai.

Like I'll make you. We bought a bunch of like knockoff North Face stuff in the town and we just, we didn't even really have like hiking gear or anything, but you can buy like knockoff everything. We like out town and we just we didn't even really have like hiking gear or anything but you can buy like knockoff everything we like outfitted ourself we're like all right 11 days let's go. Were you living out of your van in Nepal? No. No this was just like backpacker days. Okay crazy and people would literally just let you come inside their house. Yeah I think they

would like often like tip them like some people wouldn't accept money but it's just beautiful what happens when you're just open to the world, because people are beautiful. Everywhere that we've traveled, we've usually just used our credit card, because there's the exchange, and we've been able to use a Visa in Mexico and Europe. When you go to Nepal and you're hiking around the mountains,

I'm guessing you probably have to have cash. I'm guessing you need the local currency. Bot. What? I think it's called bot. Oh, bot. Okay. I was like, why did you say bot right now?

I think it's called bot, is it? I don't think so, but I love that you said it. Bot? Delbot power? Maybe I'm confused. You know what the best part of Eamon is? It's like he can't pronounce the language or do anything, but he's so confident. He just goes for it.

He's so confident. He gets me for it. He gets me every time. What's the currency called in Nepal? Oh, it's called a rupee. I bet you there's another place in the world where 100%... Why would I go and tell you what the currency is bought? That's all it takes for me is some confidence.

I go and beat it. But for five years, our first five years together, I'm like, Amin is so smart. He knows everything. And then he realized, no, he's just been feeding me lies. I got away with a lot. But there is a saying in Nepal called, so dal bhat is one of their traditional meals. And it's like a lentil dish.

So they say dal bhat power 24 hour. That's where I got it from. So nothing to do with currency. No. I'm not following, Delbot power? Delbot is a meal, right? It's just a big lentil stew basically. Okay.

And so when you're hiking, they go Delbot power 24 hour. Just to keep you going, right? Because all you're eating is Delbot. So they're like Delbot, Delbot. It's all the fuel you need. 24 hour. Wow.

Do you get it now? No? Yes, no I get it now. I get it. That's how it is with Matt. You're like, hurry. Hey hour. Wow. Do you get it now? Yes. No, I get it now. I get it. That's how it is with Matt. You're like, hurry. Hey, stop it.

No. One of my favorite travel experiences was in Morocco. And for me, like two parts. One was when we drove our van to the Sahara desert and we're like in our van with Ontario license plate in the Sahara desert is just like such a crazy thought, right? Like how could you even imagine that? And then we met this, you know, we went to a restaurant, we met this local person. He says, you need to come for campfire. We were,

okay, we'll come for campfire. And we just like said, yes. And it's a lot later than we thought. It's now dark out and we're following this random dude into the into the frickin desert he's like, oh but hold on we got to stop here at my town to get the firewood and Some of us are in his car or no, there's two vans, right? And we had the walkie talkies and we're like walkie talking to our friends where their van yo is this sketch? Like what are we doing? It's like pitch black. Like should we keep going into this like little village and and we were so close to bailing like, and we just stuck it out. We had like good energy from these people. And they brought us to the most amazing spot in

the middle of the desert. And we had a huge campfire and guitar and, you know, it was just like such a beautiful moment that we could have let fear creep in and bailed. But we just like kind of trusted our intuition. And it was like waking up there the next day. We were surrounded by sand and the most amazing sunrise. And then the next day we went to Mama's house, like his mom's, and she made us like the fresh pizza in their little oven. And we were in their community and they took us out to the

gosh, I don't want to call gypsies, like the nomads. Yeah, nomad people. They took us out to the nomadic people and we got to live with them for a few days. It was just like this unbelievable. You can't plan that kind of trip, right? And the music, they brought us to this traditional music house and I was just sobbing

because it must be the frequency of the music they play and the way they dance and everything. It was just so beautiful. That was such an amazing. Yeah. Such an amazing memory. Yeah. How are you communicating with these people in other countries? Because I'm assuming not all of them speak English, right? Like I think that kind of I always felt silly when we were in Italy because I don't know freaking Italian. So I would go to people and be like, hi, I have a question. Like just hoping that, and luckily people in Rome knew English, but I felt like a dumb American because I didn't know their language.

We kind of are the dumb Canadians. Like we do our best and always learn like, hi and thank you and like some language, but Mbuck, the man who brought us around spoke English. And then like his mama didn't, but they would translate and they speak French. A lot of French in Morocco. So Beck speaks a little, like in Canada, we do learn French. So we know like a very little bit of French. But I mean, we're all so lucky that we speak English.

English is, you know, the most accepted language, I would say, in the world. Yeah, it's pretty universal. And so you typically meet someone who can do a little translation. And someone just said in body language. But nowadays they have like the AI have you seen that dude? You can like speak into the phone and then the phone will speak it back into a different language And then they can speak into their language and I'll speak it back in English

So you can literally have a full live conversation with them. That's not sick. Yeah, that's so so cool I'm glad that I I'm alive in 2024. I'd be screwed a hundred years ago. Are you guys into AI? Do you like chat GPT? I don't really know anything about it. You don't have chat GPT? I do not know anything about chat GPT. I have it.

I don't use it enough. I need to use it more. Oh my gosh. I use it as like my personal assistant now. It's unbelievable. His dad does. My dad? I'll be like, Hey dad, like we'll be on the phone.

I'll be like, uh, like the kids, you know spit up on the floor Yeah, I'm gonna go clean this out. He's like, hey one second. I'm gonna send you a message He sent me this massive paragraph about he just copied pasted from chat GPT on how to get stained out of carpet and stuff And I'm like dad. I know you just pasted this message from chat GPT. He writes it off on his own He's like no you just you know GPT he'll like Yeah, he'll just copy paste it and text it to me. I love it. My mom just went to Japan

and planned her entire trip with ChatGPT. All the transportation. Is it a search engine? It's everything. It's like a really smart human. It's almost spooky, honestly. Like it has like a motion, like Eamon said something in the day.

Have you ever asked who Matt and Abby are? And he's like, I'm so sorry. Let me do it. Like so sorry for your, this must be fush, oh yeahon said something the other day. Have you ever asked who Matt and Abby are? And he's like, I'm so sorry. Can we do it? Like so sorry for your, this must be, oh yeah like something wasn't working. And he's like, this must be frustrating Eamon. And Eamon has been a Liverpoolian accent. He's like, Eamon, I'm so sorry.

Like blah, blah, blah. And he has like an amazing way to fix what we're going through. It's crazy. That's eerie in a way. I know. But cool. Can we try this? I'm so scared. Hey, who are Matt and Abby?

Matt and Abby are a popular couple known for their entertaining content on social media platforms like tick tock and YouTube They often share funny skits Challenges and glimpses into their life together. They're known for their playful and relatable videos Which have helped them amass a large following. Are you a fan of their content? Yeah, huge fan of their content. What are their kids' names? Oh, that's weird.

Matt and Abby's son is named Griffin and they welcomed a daughter named Poppy. Okay, ChatsVT got that wrong. How did ChatsVT know? You got that wrong, bro. They have two boys. You guys have been duping all of us all this time with August. We just have a daughter actually. So when we asked that it did say we had a daughter but it gave us two false names but then eventually got it. It's very weird.

I was like that's wrong. What were the names? Do you remember? I think Sage was one of them they were really hippie, which I really appreciated. I really appreciated. And then eventually he's like, oh, you're right. Her name's Frankie. When I first heard about you guys about a year ago, I was so excited for you because I heard that you guys were having a baby. And I was like, oh my gosh, like we got to hang. Like they've been to so many cool places.

And I'm sure that it just seemed like such amazing, fun, joyful people. And then I remember hearing the news that your cancer came back and I was just devastated for you guys. Like I, I have no words. Like I don't even know how you, like what, what, what you do in that moment. Like when you're so excited for something that you've been looking forward to for probably years and years and years and then it's like wow

Here I am pregnant, but I also have cancer How did you guys approach that? Mm-hmm? You know like it goes back to that uber driver saying you have a choice every day And I think in that moment like I was 33 33 weeks pregnant when I was diagnosed again, and it was like something came over me and was just like, that's not gonna be your story. We're just gonna, I don't know, live in a way that,

gosh, honestly, it's so hard. I'm so proud of who we were a year ago when we got that information and that news. We just didn't let us succumb to the fear and of course there was a ton of fear but we just knew like and I think the gift of Frankie is when you have a daughter or a child you'll do anything to be there for them as your best self. So yeah it's I don't even remember it was all such a blur it was a very very intense time. Do you remember what we did?

Well, I think there's like, you know, the initial news is like so much fear. And like we lived in that for, you know, maybe a week. And like just, you know, from my perspective, like crumbled, like I was just, you know, could barely get out of bed and think about my life and what is happening. And then eventually, like you said, like you have two choices, right?

Like you can live in that fear and then basically give up or you can be like, no, this is not my story. We're going to figure out a way. And you know, one of the harder parts of the diagnosis is that, you know, the oncologist would say things like there's no cure, like's no cure. There's no real options. We're gonna try and manage your life as best as possible. And you hear these things and it's just like, there's no hope, right?

And of course the oncologist wanna manage your expectations and stuff like that, but there is a possibility in a world that you do get over it. And that's what we're doing. And we're proving to the world that, you know, if you get a diagnosis, it doesn't define you. You know, you can wake up and choose to believe that, or you can choose to acknowledge that your body is sick

and it's gonna get better and it is. Yeah, yeah, my scans are looking amazing. My blood work is looking amazing. So everything's going in the right direction, which I think is shocking everyone except for us. So yeah. That's really cool because this wasn't your first cancer diagnosis. No. Yeah. So I was first diagnosed with cancer in 2021. At the time, like I've always been like yogi, really healthy, danced my whole life, was a fitness instructor, ate really

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was it just a shock at your appointment? The first time. Actually both times. The first time it was a complete shock so I had found a lump in my right breast but everyone in my life like even doctors in my life were like there's just no way. But go get it checked. Do not worry. And it even took them, I found it in August. I went a week after finding it because I just knew, you know when your intuition or your

gut is saying go. And I wasn't a worried person. So it was like, okay, I'm going to listen to this. And then it took them from August to December to get the diagnosis. So it was like, oh, maybe it's a bit suspicious. Oh, OK, we'll send you for another thing. OK, get it on my ride. Like, it was very, very slow.

That's a long time, yeah. Yeah, I think they didn't think it was either. And then it shocked everyone that it was. So I had no symptoms. Like, I was just living my life, like had no issues. And then this last time I was pregnant, and I had a ton of pain in my ribs, like excruciating pain. I'm a pretty tough person. And ribs, like excruciating pain.

I'm a pretty tough person and it was like I couldn't sit. I was like, and just in so much pain. I remember one night like we have this projector screen out of our cabin and I was like trying to sit and you went to put like five pillows around me and I was pretty pregnant. So I'm like, okay, maybe this is just what pregnancy feels like. And if this is what pregnancy feels like, why do people have more than one kid? Because this is just what pregnancy feels like. And if this is what pregnancy feels like, why do people have more than one kid? Because this is so painful. And again, I brought it up with my oncologist, my OB,

and they sort of said, yeah, like this is really normal. People have rib pain and pregnancy. And I was like, okay. And then I had a lump come up on my forehead and I was like, look, I wanna get this checked. And even then they were like, I really don't think it's anything, but okay,

we'll check it just because of your history history and so all of that led me to the Diagnosis that it had metastasized through my body. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So is this same? It's still breast cancer Okay, I had metastasized the second time. Wow It sounds like you had to advocate a lot for yourself a ton in time That's kind of crazy. Mm-hmm Cuz I don't know that I would be that diligent with my own health to like go and pursue things. I'd probably just be like, it's not a big deal.

But I think sort of a part of me was that as well. Like even with the rib pain, it was like, oh, they said it was pregnancy. So then I waited another couple of weeks, but when it wasn't subsiding, I'm like, okay, you know, something's happening here. So yeah. And Aiman, when the healthcare providers were saying, no, don't worry about it. It's not like nothing to worry about. What were you thinking? Were you wanting her to get it checked out? Yeah, to be honest, like we've talked about this and I don't think I really ever thought it would

be cancer again. Like I really didn't think her back pain was going to lead to that, right? I thought it was pregnancy and I thought she- Pulled it doing something. Yeah. And it wasn't till... One time her back was so sore that we went to like a specialist and he thought, oh, it's her intercostal muscle. And, you know, they did a bunch of massage and different things, hydropools and like, you know, it was like a really high end place. And you came back after that and I was working on a project at the cabin

and just I saw it in your face of just how much pain you were in. And I was like, oh, whoa, was working on a project at the cabin, and just I saw it in your face of just how much pain you were in, and I was like, oh, whoa, this is way bigger than, you know, pulled muscle. And then what a blessing for it to show up right on your forehead. Like, you know, how amazing is that really? That it's like, boom, girl, go get checked out.

This is serious. Yeah, the human body, I really believe, is always talking to us. Like if you are sick, I think you need to rest, you know? Like, and it's like an excuse to rest. Or for me, it was like, you're not listening to me in your ribs, okay, like I need you to kind of listen to me here.

Or your soul, I guess, is always speaking through your body is what I believe, so it was saying wake up. And how does that affect giving birth? Because obviously everyone always has an idea of what they want their birth experience to be like. And I know like every woman has probably a particular way that they hope for it to to go down because it's like a really exciting time of your life to welcome a baby into the world.

How did cancer change your birth experience? Yeah. So I was diagnosed at 33 weeks pregnant and because your estrogen is really peaking in third trimester and the cancer was estrogen driven, they recommended that we take the baby out essentially. So it changed everything. Like I'm a very holistic person and I had always dreamed of having like a very natural birth.

And I know nobody has like the birth story that they necessarily plan for. person and I had always dreamed of having like a very natural birth and I know nobody has like the birth story that they necessarily planned for and I I'm not like a type a kind of person so I was really open like whatever happens happens but this is like a completely opposite you can't even predict that something like this would happen so I ended up with a c-section because I was just in too much pain to try to induce labor and push. Well, you're skimming over a lot of it. We actually just uploaded a full birth story podcast, but basically it was so, there were

so much misleading information because no one really knew. They're looking at scans. They're calling, we moved to Toronto, so they're calling Kingston, who was the original oncologist, okay, they need to plan this C-section. Oh no, it's not going to be a C-section. Oh no, it's not gonna be a C-section. We could possibly induce you. And so every half an hour, the information's changing. Right after you got the diagnosis too?

Yeah, pretty much. So you're like processing like, a lot. I have cancer. I have to get the baby to come out. The baby needs to come out. And then the one, we finally go to the hospital, then the one anesthesiologist comes out and says, oh yeah, I think you're good to get an induction.

And then we're like, hey, that's the plan, let's do that. And then a half an hour later, they change shift and the new anesthesiologist comes out and he goes, no, that's way too risky, we're not doing that. So we're thinking like, holy smokes. There was actually an epidural for a C-section where I was awake. Oh, sorry, yeah, yeah.

Because at that point we really wanted to just be able to at least have her on my chest and have you in the room, and then they just weren't sure about an epidural. So I ended up going under for my C-section. But you were asleep during that? Yeah. Okay. So going into that,

you know that you're about to go to sleep for that experience. What was your state like? Or were you just still kind of in shock? Definitely shocked, but I like I'll never forget being on that table and the OB there was like the most beautiful woman and she was like holding my hand. And I was just sobbing.

Yeah. I'm sorry. It's okay. There were a lot of beautiful moments in the two. We had some amazing. Oh my God, she's amazing. Like I love her so much. And even her assistant or whatever,

she's like, I'm gonna film all of this so you can be there and you can watch this after. We got the video. Have you ever seen a C-section? He watched it. Wait, we had a C-section with our second and he watched them cut me open. It's insane what they're able to do.

He's standing right there and I was like, what does it look like? The yankage of the head is unbelievable. Yeah, he got kind of stuck too, so it was like crazy. And like, I mean, I don't know, you just see all the different instruments they're using. So were you there when she was under? I wasn't there, no, but I, The video.

Yeah, they felt like, Did you watch the video? 4K video. So I didn't watch no but I the the video yeah they felt like 4k video. So I didn't watch it for months because I was like I don't know if I'm ready to like watch this and everyone so Aiman is just like so open so in love with like community I love so this about you so much he's just such an open person so like we had a group chat going like Aiman Beck and Frankie giving everyone updates and he doesn't even give anyone any notice he just sends the full c-section video my god so like our friends are like before I've seen it before anything

everyone's like oh my god I thought I was just gonna see like her face or whatever it's like the full video of the c-section has circulated our entire entire inner circle. I'll show you guys. I haven't even watched my own. Yeah. I don't actually think I'm ever going to. Yeah, it's really intense. I respect that. It is intense. I watched yours, but not mine. Totally, I get that. I've watched yours.

I've seen mine, but I know the feeling. It's like, that's my body there, and my baby is just about mine. Well, actually, I could watch during it, because I could see the light, but it was just a reflection. That was enough. I was like, okay, that's what's happening,

but I don't know if I'd wanna see details. They wouldn't let us record, so. Yeah, I don't think she was letting me record so that it could be on the internet. She was recording just from her heart, which is so beautiful. I'm sorry I interrupted you. What were you?

You were talking about my C-section. I forget what I was gonna say. I just know it's crazy what they're able to do, and even they cut such a tiny hole to pull the baby out of there. It's amazing what medical professionals can do and they they're rock stars. I think it also goes to show like how resilient that little dude is or dudette. Yeah. Like yes they got pulled from their neck through there like it's okay. You should see what happened to Griffin. He yanked that kid out so. Yeah.

Oh. They broke his clavicle to get him out. Yeah, so he could fit. Cause he got stuck. That's why we had a C-section the second time. But I was like, this dude, he broke his clavicle. He did his spine. He literally didn't, like they just healed.

And how were you from that? I was worse off with a C-section. Yeah. Yeah, like I was like a little bit shaken up by the experience, but those post hormones, like I was like, wow, let's do that again. Like I was like, that was amazing. Right.

No, we're not doing that again. We need to recover. But yeah, I didn't get that boost as much with like Augie's birth. Like I think, which there's a reason for that. There's like a biological reason for that. So birth is just a crazy thing. So you're recovering from a C-section

and then are you about to have to go through treatment then again, is that what you're prepping for? So there really isn't treatment if you've already received treatment and then it essentially didn't work for me. Even though I was like declared no evidence of disease, essentially there was disease on a microscopic level in the body, so we've just had to find alternative ways

to treat it, yeah. Would you mind, what methods are you using or is that something that's like personal to you? I mean, I'm really open about it, but I know that it's like alternative for some to really believe in the power of the mind. So it's a lot of meditation and inner work, hypnotherapy and just understanding. Like I never was

comfortable with them telling me I was just unlucky and that's why I got cancer. And I often find, especially with breast cancer, I identify so much with the women who have it. It's like these perfectionists, these people who are like so fit and like healthy looking, like it doesn't make any sense. And I really, really believe that at least for me, the root cause was stress and living in that survival state that I kind of entered after losing Lee. So I'm just doing a lot of work, changing my thoughts, my inner state, and it's all

coming out great. Yeah, the more you get into the work, it is really simple because her body made cancer cells and was in this stressed state, and now she's in alignment, and her body, if you can create disease, it can heal it. Wow. Yeah.

It's great that your scans and your blood work are all improving significantly. Significantly. Yeah, I was just sharing that my last, we used, it's a tumor marker in your blood, and when I was first diagnosed, it was 130. So, normal is four. I'm currently sitting at a 12.

Oh my gosh! Congratulations, that's incredible. Thank you. That's amazing. It's truly amazing, and I know it's miraculous for so many people, but for me, I know the science of what I'm doing. Our brains are so powerful.

Every thought we have produces a chemical. And all of that, your body is constantly spying on your brain, essentially. All of our thoughts are chemistry. And if I kept thinking, I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die, then my cells are listening and I've just changed. Wow.

Yeah. Wow. Something I did the other day was I took a bath and meditated with like really peaceful meditation music playing. And it was actually mind blowing to me how big of a change I noticed just in my mood and in my stress levels. It was insane just how like changing my mindset affected so much. And we did an interview with Dr. Mike, who's a popular YouTuber who does like, you know,

videos about medical information. He's practicing physician. And something he told us is truly how powerful the placebo effect really is. Like when you believe something, it really does change things for you. Now if you are, he mentioned if you're diabetic, you know, you do need insulin to like to help your body and stuff. It's not like you can out think that, but he's like, it's amazing what your mind can

do when you are, when you think the right thoughts and you're positive. And it really opened my mind, definitely opened my mind up to that when I did that meditation. I told Matt, like I don't have, I have like little to no experience with meditation, which I saw me I'm like, I should definitely like implement that practice. But when I was delivering Griffin Matt turned on a birth meditation. I literally told Matt, that's the only time that I, I literally did not understand the passing only time that I I literally did not understand the passing of time I did not feel anything I didn't feel anything I just like literally checked out and then they were like oh it's time to push and

I was like wait a minute I need never do I feel everything like I was like that was so crazy and then that's why they couldn't like top it off more but do you remember that yeah I literally was like mad I didn't any, I was like how much time passed? I still don't even know, was it like hours? Yeah, well it was a birthing meditation that was created for women that were having a home birth, no epidural, nothing, and so you were very much locked in. I was locked in.

You didn't realize that your epidural wore off. Yeah, I didn't know that. Wow, that's cool. It was crazy, so I'm like, there's something to this. A million percent, there's a lot to it actually. Yeah, I need to learn from you. So enlighten us, like give us a little background of your process and how you meditate.

Cause we wanna learn from you. Aw. Yeah, so for me it's all about like changing my energy, my state, right? So if you're living in stress, then your body's like knocked out of homeostasis. And when you're in homeostasis you have energy to heal. I follow his name is Dr. Joe Dispenza he has like guided meditations and they're very active so they're not in the bath

kind of meditations it's very much like sitting up straight closing your eyes we do like a lot of breath work and it's essentially like what thoughts are you thinking? And it's one thing to be positive and be like, I'm gonna have a great day today. But if you're subconscious is like, you're actually having a really bad day today. Like I'm a victim and I'm in so much fear. It's like you're lying to your body,

and even to yourself, you think you're thinking positively, which is what I always was. I'm like, I'm so positive, blah, blah, blah, it doesn't matter. So it took me like going past the analytical mind into my subconscious mind and recognizing like, oh, hey, like actually I have a lot of thoughts of unworthiness or I'm not enough or I'm not doing enough or, you know, I have to be better and be more and all of these really damaging thoughts for me anyways. And so I just spend my mornings saying like, okay, when this thought comes up today, because

it will, you know, you have 70 to 90,000 subconscious thoughts every single day. Crazy. And often they're the same that you had the day before. So you don't even know that you're kind of like in this little loop, right? And you get really addicted to stress hormones because the chemistry that you're producing is like cortisol. It's like a hit of a drug. So your body's like, oh, where do we get our next stress from? So until you make the conscious choice like, ah, we're cutting it off here. And instead we're going to replace it with gratitude. I'm so healed. I'm so grateful, like

joy, gratitude, these elevated emotions, then you're going to stay in that program, which is stress and, you know, I'm not enough. So it's like this active thing I do. Are there certain mantras or sayings that you repeat to yourself to like remind your brain of, you know, how happy you are to be here and how happy you are to just like exist in this world Like what what are those those things that you tell yourself? Yeah on the simplest level I like project this little letter H in my mind and H to me means like clean blood work clean scans Like moving my body like I was prescribed

Hydromorphine to deal with the pain for the rest of my life and I take nothing like I should be in Technically all this pain, but I'm in no pain. So I always think of age as like this healing symbol. And then I just have all this gratitude for it. And today on the plane, I was meditating. I'm like, so weird. I put my eye mask on and my things and everyone's watching TV and I'm just like.

I couldn't be more proud of you. And it was like the first time that I already feel like I'm living in my dream that I've been dreaming of for a year of complete healing. Like I just feel so healed that it doesn't really matter what comes next. Like I'm just in a really, really happy, grateful, joyous place.

That's beautiful. So inspiring. Thank you. And so you're going through this process while having a newborn. Yes. How has the adjustment been from like you two being able to do anything on the fly to like newborn life?

That was the craziest thing of all. Honestly, like newborn moms are like up watching like reality TV to just get through it. I'm like trying to learn like neuroscience, quantum physics, like I'm like to learn neuroscience, quantum physics. I'm like, I gotta make a change and I gotta make it now. You know what I mean? So I was literally up at three in the morning

and now Ayman's trying to learn, catch up. And he's like, I'm listening to what I was listening to a year ago and I'm like, good for me. Newborn mom learning quantum physics. I'm so proud. Yeah, she's spending like two hours a day meditating while having a newborn. Wait, quantum physics is like meditation.

It's all like the science of, the simplest form I would say is like, have you ever walked into a room and been like, oh, the energy's off? Like, we're all just energy. I think I'm not in tune with energies enough. No? Do you think I'm in tune with energy?

Have you ever been at a dinner party and someone says something and the energy changes? Yes. Exactly. It's just energy. Okay. So like the science of it all is wrapped up in quantum physics is what I'm saying.

But I've always been really in tune with like energy and people and like I know who I gravitate towards and I'm intuitive and all of these things that I just knew and felt and then there's science to sort of teach you what it is. I feel bad, I tell you that, I'm like I just don't, I think they're a good person but there's something that I'm like I don't think that will ever be like close.

Like when I was like talking to you. Yeah, you just know. In communication too, like I think there's so much more than just the words you say that like make you vibe with somebody or not I'm like and you can't really place something on it You're like, I don't know what it is, but I want the best for them and they seem wonderful I don't I don't think wherever we don't we don't mesh for some reason as like close friends

And but then there's the opposite where you like have those experiences and you're like dude We vibe so like we we had an amazing time with that person or that couple or whatever. Because energy, not to go crazy on it, but energy is all frequency. So frequency, like the frequency of Wi-Fi, for example. We can't see it, but it works. It has a bunch of information in it.

So essentially all of our energies are information, talking to each other at all times. It's like, oh, yes, you and I are saying this, but you're looking at me, you're making eye contact, like we're having like an energy exchange as much as we're having a verbal communication. Or even like we were walking in the airport today and I could just feel, you know, certain people were my energy, right? And it's not like about how they looked or dressed, you know, it was just like an energy

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Or like the, not to talk about cancer too much, but the food thing. A lot of people think it's all diet related and we would get gifted these books, Crispy Cancer and all this stuff And that's amazing if people you know Start changing their diet and start seeing results Yeah, by all means that works for them, but like we would read these recipe and it's like we were eating like this anyway You know, yeah, we've been playing like how much more Organic kale could we eat?

Not much. We eat a lot of kale love kale. Yeah Who's been someone that has? And at kale, could we eat? Not much, we eat a lot of kale, love kale. Yeah. Who's been someone that has surprised you with how they've come alongside you guys during the season with the cancer and then also raising a newborn? I'm sure you have some really cool family or friends that have been there for you guys.

Totally, our entire inner circle. So we were living at our cabin, which is really remote. And we knew when we gave birth, we'd come to the city. So all of our family lives in Toronto. And we were going to rent an apartment for my brother in this triplex. And it was not ready. It was a construction zone, and Frankie

was coming six weeks early. So everyone in our lives, like it makes me so emotional, like got together and created a home for us. It was just so incredible and I know we're so worthy of it because we would do that for anyone in our lives too but it was just the most amazing way. Like we walked in from like the last time we were there it was like drywall on the ground and we were there, it was like drywall on the ground. And we walked in and it was like, impeccable. It's so gorgeous. Cutlery, put away, little hand towels,

and just above and beyond. Cozy, cozy. Cozy, fireplace was going. We're like, whoa, we have a home to come home to. That's incredible. Wow, was Frankie in the hospital for a little bit afterwards, being early? She was in the NICU.

Okay. Yeah, for 15 days. And then speaking of Kara and Nate, we have so many amazing friends, but Kara has us on Find My Friends. So she would just literally know we were at the NICU and she'd be like, hey, breakfast is there in five minutes. And she would just order piles of,

we could feed all the NICU parents, essentially, with all the food she would send. And it was like, if someone's going through something, saying, hey, I wanna be there for you, what can I do? Almost puts it on the person And it was like, if someone's going through something, saying, hey, I want to be there for you, what can I do? Almost puts it on the person and it's like, oh, how can I tell them to help me? But someone like, she taught me so much about how to show up for people because now I just send it or I just get their address or where they are or you just do the thing or you make the meal and drop it off.

You don't say like, hey, can I do this? And you don't need anything from them or you just put it on their doorstep, or you just send the food, and it means so much. We have the most incredible people in our lives, we're so, so blessed. That's such a good thing to hear too, as someone that, I want to be there for people, but just to be like, don't put it on their,

put it on them, just do. Uber Eats gift cards are amazing. Because you can send them 100 bucks, and it's just like, order juice, order smoothies, whatever you want on your time. Yeah. And it's just like a nice thing to do. Or if you have, find my friends, creep your friends.

Yeah, that's next level. That was so cool of Kara. She texts, she's like breakfast is here. Yeah. It's like, what are you talking about? Where? Oh my gosh. And to the hospital, she'd just like figure it out.

That's so thoughtful. I didn't know that was a thing. I have like for a while, you know how like on Snapchat you can see where your friends are on Snapchat? Like in high school I had that for a little bit, but SnapMap. Is that an app or do you guys have? Dude, you don't find my friends. It's on Apple, dude.

It's like the iPhone, find my friends. That's true. Yeah, I have like my dad's location. He has my location. Okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah, I have a lot of people's. Oh nice. Like our family. Yeah. Like Abby's and stuff. I have Morgan's. Yeah, that lot of people's oh nice like our family. Yeah, Abby's and stuff. I'm Morgan Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, that's so sweet. They're gonna start getting some gifts for me

I guarantee you see their location just sending them candy That's such a great idea But so you were in the hospital after your c-section, but then it was there a point where you had to like leave Was that hard? It was so horrible I cried every night we left and yet I knew like I need even like six hours of sleep to be able to show up and like, you know, change my energy.

Like be a new person the next day. So in a way it was a bit of a gift because we would go home and sleep. But then I spent all day every day in the NICU. It was hard. You spent so much time there too but yeah it was like no windows, no natural light. We just oh yeah. But you know there's a lot of blessings in it too.

We got like a crash course on how to take care of a preemie. The nurses there were amazing teaching us like the bottle techniques and you know so many little things like you know I can't believe when you're a young parent and they just send you home with the kid you're like like, I couldn't, I couldn't imagine that. I mean, you guys probably experienced that, right? It's crazy that our parents did this for us. Like they raised little babies at one point and you don't realize how much your parents

did for you until you're doing it for your kids. Yeah. You know? Makes you love them even more, doesn't it? Yeah. I appreciate that you are vocal about how much work it is because I had no freaking idea. Like no idea.

I saw a cute family at a cafe and would be like, that's gonna be me. Yeah. You know, it wasn't much more thought than that. And I've been floored just with the one. Like it's full on. It's just incredible lifestyle change and it's now starting to show some of the rewards and benefits. She's 11 months now and we're like, I'm

like people ask me like, oh how's being a dad and I've changed my script now like it's the best. Yeah. But there were like six months where I was like bro like don't do this. Not literally, but it was like. Yeah. It's good to have both. Like it can be challenging and there can be parts of it you're like, this is not a part that I find fun, but it can all like, it can still be rewarding something you would not have any different.

I think the older generation too was so different. Like from a guy's perspective, like my dad, I don't think he ever changed the diapers. Exactly, that's very true. So I don't think there were a lot of dads talking about how involved it is now you know 2024 the boys are doing some work every time every time my uh my uh abby's grandma like it's one it's one of your grandmas that

hypes me up dude it like it gives me so she probably loves you because she sees me just like I'm just being a dad. I'm just doing my job. Like I'm very involved with my kids. You're very, you're an exceptional dad. Thank you. But I'm not getting the same praise from grandma. But it's funny because-

As expected, eh? As a dad, like you, you're seen holding a kid and some, and people are like, you're an amazing father. And then a mom could be like doing the motion. It's like, yeah, that's what you're supposed to do. But especially from Abby's grandma's perspective, she's seen me change diapers, like, you know, do all these things for my kids.

Every time she sees him, it's really sweet. I would not, I don't resent this at all. But like she'll just look him dead in the eyes. She'll stop him and she'll be like, Matt, you are an amazing, amazing dad. Like so sincere. But you are. I hope she never hears this. Because I feel so I'm like thank you

Thank you, Vicky. There's nothing wrong with our hearing this. I would tell her like grandma. Where's the praise? Yeah? But hey tell our mom how amazing they are though because I feel like we need to remind moms about like They do the most for their kids and it goes and oftentimes it goes unnoticed so like million percent i'm obsessed with women i love women and i love moms so i don't know you but i think you're an amazing mom you too thank you i know you're an amazing mom actually like i just know you know women are incredible i'm obsessed with all women yeah and seeing your wife like carry a baby give birth to that baby go through postpartum, it's incredible. And what our women, what our wives are able to do

is just unbelievable. So you guys are cool. Thank you. Thank you. I think you shared on a recent podcast about having maybe disappointment about your breastfeeding journey, not being able to breastfeed. Did you wanna like, was that a hope

that you had their whole pregnancy up until the cancer diagnosis? Yeah, definitely. Like, I think even conceiving was a miracle because when you've been through chemotherapy, there's no, like, there's no thing, nothing that says you will be able to do it. Well, we did IVF before, right? So because of the treatment, they said, look, if you guys want to have kids, I would recommend doing this.

So we have five frozen embryos. Oh, okay. But that's not how we conceived Frankie. We just conceived her naturally. So it was already like such a blessing and a gift. And the whole time, I guess, like in the probably subconsciously, I was saying I wouldn't be able to breastfeed and then look, it happened. But I was, I was prepared that it might not happen for me. but again, I was this holistic person. I think that breastfeeding is such a beautiful gift for mom and baby, and it was definitely something I wanted for Frankie and I.

And so having that not be realized for us was really, really challenging, and really confronted me with a whole lot of the negative self-talk of I'm not good enough. And it's just, there's so much wrapped up in nurturing your child and connecting with your child like that, but I mean, we just did skin to skin all day, every day, and we're so connected

and she's so happy and thriving. Yeah. But definitely a challenging time. And I know that women can't breastfeed for so many reasons. Right. And there's so many challenges that can come up so I'm just really grateful. Was it because of the cancer? Was it like you just didn't produce milk?

Yeah, so my one breast, so I found the cancer initially in the right breast and it had been radiated so nothing came out of that one. The other one did start producing but because of the diagnosis at the time and like we weren't sure about treatment and just like the cancer in the blood I was just advised like basically let it dry up. I think that was more of like a blanket statement they weren't sure yeah you know they didn't have much data on whether it's safe or not safe and I think they just said like let's err on the side of caution. Fortunately and unfortunately, like for me,

but fortunately not a lot of young women have breast cancer with a child. And it was just like a lot was happening for my doctors who I love too, they are doing their best. I really believe that. So yeah, that was just the journey. And I'll be honest with you guys. I was today years old when I found out

that you weren't married. I just completely assumed, I guess. I was like, oh yeah, they have a baby. They're married and stuff. Talk to me about the idea to have a kid while you're engaged because that is like, that's a big deal. That's very, yeah, I guess, untraditional.

So I'm just, I'm kind of curious. Yeah, I think we've just always been really untraditional. We are so married. To me, marriage is a commitment to one another. And I don't know many married couples who spend as much time together and are as intertwined and in love. I'll bet you we would beat 1,000 married couples on who knows each other better.

Ooh. Guaranteed. Yeah, so for us, like marriage wasn't that important to us, like we were focused on traveling and building our businesses and you know, it just felt like, are we really gonna slow down and plan a wedding and do the wedding that our parents wanted us to do?

And so it just really didn't feel like it was the right time. And our love is strong. And we both told each other how much we mean to each other and all that stuff. So it just really kind of fell to the back burner and we wanted to start a family. And now that we're at a point where we can actually afford a wedding, we're getting married

and it's gonna be amazing. That's so sad. We were watching your YouTube video today about your plans for your wedding and I was cracking up, Aiman, with you saying, yeah, I'm gonna come in on my jet board. Yeah, buddy. And there's gonna be water everywhere, we're gonna be on a boat with the whole ceremony.

How did you, was this all your idea? It's like, it's screaming, Aiman, to me that getting married on the water was your idea. Am I right about that? So the lake lifestyle has been a big part of both our lives. Bec grew up going to a cottage and I grew up going to a cottage. So when we were able to buy that land

and have a cottage of our own, it was so special. Like there's a clip of us, I don't know, eight years ago being like, oh, our dream once we move out of the van is to buy a cottage. So getting to be at the point where we now built this amazing home, we definitely want to get married there. And we have a big dock and we were thinking about doing the ceremony on the dock and then, you know, add more adventure to

it. Like, why not just have fun with it? You know, this. Oh, sorry. No, go ahead. This jet board, though, is that a different name for a foil? Like an electric foil? Yeah, so there's a video of Nate, our friend, Louis and I, and we rented these e-foils.

Have you seen these? Yes. Yeah, and we crossed the English channel and we actually failed, but we attempted. That is so, so cool. And they're so fun. And you guys should come up to the cabin. I don't own one yet, but I'm working on it.

And we're gonna get a couple up there. And I was thinking of how dope it would be, like in a full suit. You know, everyone's standing on the ceremony, like jet boarding and then stepping off the jet board onto the dock. Maybe I'll fall and I'll be soaking wet, but I think that would be funny.

Those are really hard to ride though, aren't they? Yeah, but I've got a year to figure it out. Okay, cause I'm gonna master it. Is that when it is? It's a year from now? September 6th.. That's exciting you guys. It's actually so cool because we have other friends who have had two kids and been engaged for a long time and they just got married last summer and what it is when you've been together for so long is truly a celebration of love. Like I know that marriage when it's like right in the beginning is also that but I think this is such a unique opportunity for everyone. Our lives are so combined, our families are so combined. Like it's just a celebration of all of us really. We lived in Australia for a year and a half so we feel like we have a life there and then we started this YouTube internet thing so

we've got friends that are all over the world. And so we've never had like a weekend where everyone's gonna be in the same place. And it's gonna be like, you know, a collection of our life. And you have Frankie to join you guys. Exactly. Yeah, she'll walk down the aisle. Yes. That's really cute.

Yeah, it's gonna be incredible. And we have such like fun people in our lives, like Louie's gonna DJ some of it, our friends are gonna sing us down the aisle. It's like everyone's gonna bring what they do best and it's just gonna be like this retreat weekend and it's gonna be because you guys have been together for like 12 years yeah since 2013 would there be a world where you could also e foil like you know what if you fell in the water and like your Maybe not the wedding dress. I mean, Matt, I thought this, why not? You maybe skydive. Why frigging not? You skydive then. I'd be terrified though.

Maybe I skydive. What if you fell in the water and like your dress gets waterlogged and then you drown? I don't know, that's terrifying. I'll drown, maybe not, but anything else, why not? But yeah, there was actually, when we were leaving our wedding venue to go to the hotel, I was terrified Abby's dress is gonna get caught on fire

by all the sparklers that were going off. Like that wedding dress can be an actual hazard. Yeah, for sure. There's a lot of it. Is it flammable, your dress? Probably. Probably, yeah. I don't know, it was like a paintball gown.

I got it in the discount area of the shop. I love it. I don't know what it was made out of. Yeah, if you guys could figure out a way to do that, that'd be the most epic wedding I've ever seen. It's funny, we actually, we realized we're not very good at planning things, so we hired like a wedding planner and we're interviewing these people and we're just like throwing

out ideas and she's like, yeah, I think we can make that happen. So we'll see. We got a girl now who's going to bring the drinks to life. Amon wants to have like a tattoo artist like on site. We're going to do it over like four days. So he's like free tattoos. We're going to do breath work altogether, meditation. It's going to be like a full retreat massage for everyone ice baths that could not be more different from our wedding

I'll be honest with you. What was your wedding like? Ball gown just it was just so by the book. Mmm, but it was probably just exactly. I mean, I wouldn't change anything Yeah, it's just so different like like also I was 20. Yeah. So here's a question though. If you were to plan your wedding now, what would you do? Would it be different? See, here's the thing about me. Tell me about you. I'm a pretty traditional person. You do the exact same. I love everyone has own thing. I'm like, I love that. I love that. I love that. For me, I'm pretty traditional. I'm like an old person at heart. I feel like whenever we travel I always randomly have

conversations with old men at the airport and the piece of advice they always give me every single time is If I ever have to tell you anything it's happy wife happy life like no they didn't like 50 years We're like, what's your secret every time? Now I'd literally just be like you literally. I also didn't plan anything for my wedding. My mom did like, planned our wedding. His mom helped a lot too. And so I also wouldn't change that either. I wouldn't wanna plan it myself now either.

Yeah, that's kinda how we are. We're like, we don't wanna do any of the work, but we have a lot of great ideas. So, the thing is for our wedding planner. We have a lot of things that we want other people to coordinate. That's so fun. Like food trucks, like we wanna like,

the night before or two nights before, just do like 10 different food, like a festival. Honestly, this could be amazing. That's cool. Well, that's what funny. Like food trucks, like we wanna like the night before or two nights before just do like 10 different food, like a festival. Honestly, it's gonna be amazing. Well, that's what I love about you guys is you do things differently. Outside the box. That is cool, that is cool.

Thank you. I love it when you, I don't know, like life can be so boring sometimes. Like why, if everybody was the same, if everybody looked the same and talked the same and acted the same, this would be a really boring world. So we need people like you that do things differently that make you go, huh, maybe I should boil into my wedding ceremony.

Maybe we should get tattoos and like do a four day celebration. Heck, like, why? Why not? Why not meditate with my whole entire wedding party before? Like, I don't know. It's just it's different. And that is so cool. That is really cool. Thanks, guys. Yeah. You know, I didn't realize how different we were until we were sitting here telling you. Yeah honestly it was just like normal. It feels normal and traditional for us. And I guess all our friends are kind of like a non-traditional too so they're like yeah and then you

should do this we're like yeah we should. I definitely think like when you get faced with something like cancer you know nothing's so serious. Yeah. What are you gonna die wishing you had a tattoo? Get the freaking tattoo, man. Just have a little fun. Yeah, I love that perspective. Do you guys have any cool tattoos?

Aiman has so many. I have one. I got a bunch, yeah. I just have a teeny tiny one. What's the meaning of your tattoo? Gosh, now I have to go back to energy. My tattoo story is so cool. Like I really believe that when you're like in tune with the universe, with God, whatever you want to call that like, you know, universal energy, signs just come at you from everywhere. And so the day I wanted this tattoo, I had so many crazy signs.

I'll tell you guys about them. yeah, I just it's basically like This is me like the smaller energy and the energy around me is the energy you can't see and that's what's healing me And and what I have to keep feeding love to and yeah It's just like my little reminder like keep going well Beck was like so Like against tattoos like her parents were you know thought they were the worst. Yeah I was gonna be like kicked out of the house if I ever. And so her first tattoos were actually like her radiation tattoos. I was like oh like how lame is that like you have tattoos technically now and you had to get them because of your treatment and so like

I feel like that changed for you. We're like well I'm gonna get a tattoo. Yeah so. And now I think she's gonna go all out. She's talking about getting a butterfly back here. It's the most beautiful butterfly one. I'll be honest, I'm so naive. What is a radiation tattoo? Is it some sort of mark you get from radiation? Yeah, so when you receive radiation, they wanna make it really targeted so you're not getting any radiation where you don't need it.

So they literally scan you and they make sure that, like the coordinates essentially. And then when you go in for radiation, they on your little tattoo. So they're just like teeny tiny dots. They're just black dots. Just dots. So yeah, for like a year people would be like, do you have a tattoo?

I'm like, I have four. They're just like little dots. Crazy. But they eventually go away or they're still there? No, no, they're like permanent tattoos. It's with a tattoo gun. Yeah. No way.

I guess they don't want to run the risk of ever having it off by a little bit or something So they fully and one of them's like on my rib like again, I'm pretty tough, but it was like oh, that's a sticky spot Yeah, that's so nice I'm like why is there an ice cream truck in our studio, but I think it's just... Did you order ice cream first? Did you guys get a whole festival lineup for the podcast? There it comes! No, it's the back! No.

Okay, maybe that's something we'd do differently if we got married now. We'd have an ice cream truck there. Actually, yes. Go girl, dream big! Me, I'm like, oh, we're just married at the end of the day and we don't have to plan it. It sounds great. Yeah. That also would be an epic way to end the podcast with like, surprise, we have an ice cream truck here

with everything that you want. We're just like all of a sudden in the ice cream truck recording. That'd be cool. Yeah, I'm down. That would actually be an epic place to film a podcast is within the ice cream truck itself. Yeah, step it up, man.

You're not doing enough. Or maybe not, maybe they're kind of gross. Maybe you actually don't want to be inside that. I think the audio would be pretty rough. Oh yeah. Just ding ding ding ding ding. You inside that. I think the audio would be pretty rough. Oh yeah. Just ding ding ding ding ding ding. You guys would know you lived in a van for five years. Seriously.

Honestly, you think you have a great place to record the intro for a video or something and it's like, meh, or like, literally in Morocco, like a camel goes by. Like it's just crazy. Who could have predicted this? There's no studio. Yeah.

I'm curious, so like for me, how I was raised and how I've curious, so like for me, my like how I was raised and how I've like Thought about view on marriage and relationships like it's always like well if you're married you have that to like Keep you together to keep you bound, but then you being like we were already married without all these Formalities like what? When did that decision happen and how did you stay together? Because I'm sure that it wasn't totally easy like living in a band together. You're like always, you might be stepping on each other's

toes, you're in close quarters, you're working together at the same time. Was there ever a time where you were like, maybe we part ways or maybe, or you always had this? Like I'm just so curious because it's so opposite of like how we were raised. Mm-hmm. Honestly, the coolest part about our relationship

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Oh, you know with your friends and then you weren't answering my texts. I was like, oh my god, what is happening? I kind of had a little bit of fear that like she was cheating on me yeah and then I got home and I was like what's wrong with you? Why are you answering me? You broke my foot. How did you break your foot? Oh I just had a like drunk night out with my colleagues at work essentially and I mean when I'm saying that story it kind of sounds bad but there was something like maybe you called and you were short with me or something. I think that at that time, we had just never spent any time apart

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My follow up question would be like why now? Why get married now at this point? Just to celebrate. Okay. Really. Like it just it felt like why not? I also call her my wife and she calls me her husband and like it just kind of feels like, yeah, why not? For me the big thing is like I want to be a unit.

I want our kid to, our kid has the last name Fitzgerald, she's still a Moroni. So I think like having that family certificate of like, you know, let's go to the doctor's office, Fitzgerald's, come on in, like, I don't know. It's funny, it's almost like a societal thing, like the actual marriage certificate part of it, like being legally married.

I mean, we're common law and all of the things are together and our taxes have been together for like 12 years. But the wedding is purely just for fun. That's cool. Just a celebration. Are you taking his last, do you already have his last name? No, I don't have it. Okay. I'm gonna take it. Oh, wow.

We'll see. That's a little bit of a debate stuff. Oh really? We didn't want to. It's a debate. I just feel like why does it have to, why didn't you take mine? We definitely had a debate.

Yeah, I mean. I do things differently Matt. Yeah, okay. He's looking at me like. I act like I'm not traditional, but for me it's a very important thing. I don't know why. Well what's Frankie's last name?

Fitzgerald. Okay. So we made that decision. Okay. I was, anyways, I'm not know why. Well, what's Frankie's last name? Fitzgerald. Okay. So we made that decision. Okay. I was anyways, I'm not going there. I don't, like, I do not care what other people do with their last names. I'm just so curious because we've actually met all kinds, like hyphenated. We've seen, I actually haven't seen where the man's taken the wife's last name, though, actually.

No, well. Wouldn't that be great? Yeah, well, one of our friends, they both took each other, so it's hyphenated. And the other, I think they both just kept their own. I'm pretty sure. She kept her name. Yeah. And then some people made a name, their middle name.

That's cool. Like the kids that made it. Yeah, my mom did that. But I don't know, have we met somebody that the husband took the wife's last name? But like, hey, to each their own. It's very 2024. I know.

It is very, very 2024. So yeah. What, why would you, talk to me about your hesitancy about it, I'm so curious. I think just growing up, like I always thought like the guys carry on the last name. So I've internalized that as like,

that's like their tradition. Yeah. I feel very connected to like my dad's family. And like, you know, I'm really proud of, of being a Fitzgerald. I have a Fitzgerald crest. It's a good last name. Yeah it's a so is Moroni. It's also a good last name. Yeah actually they both are really fun last names. Yeah those are cool. So it's not like it's not much deeper than that. It's really just like I always thought when I find a wife we're gonna become the Fitzgeralds. It's not like a property thing. No.

And so for me to break that would feel like I would really need to do some therapy about it. I don't know. I just want to counter it for like all of the women I identify as a Moroni. I am so proud to be a Moroni. I you know love my family unit and so to not carry on the name just because tradition says you take the man's. Like do you know what I mean? Did you think like growing up did you? I never really thought about it to be honest. I wasn't the kind of girl who was like, oh I can't wait to get married. And clearly, I'm like, 13 years in and haven't even gotten married. It doesn't, that never mattered to me. So it was like, then all of a sudden thinking about it, I'm like, oh well why do we just, I guess I like to just say like,

why do we do these things? I like that. I like that you're going to question it. Thank you. But you don't want me to push it much further than that. Well, look, Frankie's already a Fitzgerald. Yeah, the reason that I'm down to switch. How good does Frankie Fitz sound? Oh, that's so good. That is sick. That is pretty sick. Is that when you travel, if you don't have

the same last name as your kid, as the mom, you need a letter that says, from the dad, this is my child, at least in Canada, I don't know. Like I am allowed to, I am the mom, like signed by the dad, which just, see? What? Yes, because technically I don't have her last name, so how can I prove that that's my kid? You need an actual letter.

From him. Does it have to be a physical letter? I think so. Like can you just have it scanned on your phone? You've never traveled alone with Frankie. I haven't traveled with Frankie alone. That's crazy. Wouldn't that be wild?

So I'm like, okay, I'll be a Fitzgerald. That is so I have been. It's almost logistical at this point. Yeah. How did you hear that that was a thing? Oh, my sister was telling me because she took her husband's last name and I was kind of giving her like, well, why? You know, like, women, let's go.

And she was like, oh, well, because I want to travel with her and I'm not going to do the whole letter thing. I'm like, what letter thing? But it's a real thing. Like, I've backed it up. Isn't that crazy? Crazy. Yeah.

And not to like talk about ourselves on this podcast, but here in your journey about, like with your relationship and marriage, it's so interesting because we did everything like obviously very traditionally, yet I feel like I have the same mentality, like an approach towards our relationship where as soon as we started dating,

it was like us and nothing else. Like it was like always moving towards us having a life together. And there was like not like a single time where I wasn't like, you might not be my person. Like that's not to say that there weren't hard times and we didn't have conflict and stuff. But like it was always us and there was never a time

where I ever thought about my future with literally anybody else. But that, and it wasn't on our wedding day, I was like, now it's us. It didn't feel totally different, but it was so cool that now we were a family in society's eyes. Totally.

So don't you think you just got extremely lucky? How old were you guys when you met? We met when we were, well, we met when we were 14. Oh, no, we met when we were 14. And we got, we started dating at 17 and 18, and then got married at 20 and 21. So, I just think that's incredible.

Because like, if I had even told you what my favorite color was when I was 17, it might be totally different. Right? So like, how the heck does that happen? We grew together. You know how they say like trees, like they form their roots like around what's around them.

Like we were together and like I'm really glad that 17 year old me came across like such a great guy like Matt because my roots would have been formed with somebody else that like might have been really unhealthy for me. So like I don't ever like push young marriage unless I like know the people and I'm like, oh like what you have going is great. healthy for me. So I don't ever push young marriage unless I know the people and I'm like,

oh, what you have going is great. Or if, you know, we did get lucky to some degree to cross paths when we did. You got lucky but you also make it work. We did counseling when we were dating and we had mentors and we also, we read books together. We did so many like prep things too. To like make sure that it was like

not just acting on emotions. Yeah, just to reiterate that like relationship is work. It's not like it's totally effortlessly all the time. Like we are 1000%. We still fight about like the very common things in our relationship. But we're a unit. But we're a unit.

At the end of the day like I'll look for the thing you need me to look for. Oh my goodness. No. You know, I'm over that the thing you need me to look for. Oh my goodness. No. I'm over that, I'm not bringing that up. Clearly. I would never think to bring that one up again. Yeah.

Wait, okay. Can I know what you're referring to? It's one of my pet peeves is like, everything kind of should have a home, right? So like the scissors go in the top left drawer. Sometimes the scissors are in the bathroom. Because I had to do something with Frankie and she needed the scissors and it like the top left drawer. Sometimes the scissors are like in the bathroom, you know? And so there's- Because I have to do something with Frankie

and she needed the scissors and it's like, I'm an amazing mom and I'm running around. And then we spend two hours looking for them and you know, it's just like one of the things- What's that for that? With your phone, with your car keys? I'm always like check your pockets. Don't you have a Tesla car?

Check your back. You have car keys? Yeah, we do have a regular car. We have one car with regular keys and that one with not one. Oh, doesn't that feel like old tech? Yeah, it does. I can't stand car keys now. It needs a key? Yeah. Your car with regular keys. And that one was not. Doesn't that feel like old tech? Yeah. I can't stand car keys now. It needs a key? Yeah.

Your wallet, your ID. Does it drive you nuts? I think at this point I'm just like, that is just, that's one of those, there's things that he does that drive me nuts. Don't get me wrong. But this is the one where I'm like, that's just mad. Like I'm like, everyone, that's just.

What amazes me about women though, I feel like women have this superpower where they can just find things so quickly. Like Abby will be like, can you go look for this one thing? And I try so hard to find the thing. And it takes her five seconds to find it. I'm like, how did you know? Like how did you know where the thing was?

I had no idea. I really tried. I truly did. It's incredible. Have you seen the Miss Rachel skit where it's like you ask your husband to find something and you can't find it and she's like, Where are your eyes? Where could they be? Oh my gosh.

It's like the husband just cannot find it. It's like right here. I go and I open it and I'm like, it's literally right there. No, I say look with your eyes, Matt. Where are your eyes, Matt? Because it's just like, I don't see it. And I'm like, no, look. What I love about you guys though is like we took completely different journeys, but I feel like we ended up in kind of the same spot. Same.

And so just kind of echoing like, there's no rule book to life. Like everyone is gonna do things differently. And regardless of what decision you decide to make or what decision you don't decide to make, like you're gonna have your own unique life and maybe what works for you doesn't work for somebody else, but because it doesn't work for somebody else, doesn't mean that it's something you shouldn't do.

Totally. And so, for us, getting married young was a decision we decided to make and you guys being together as long as you have not married, everyone is on their own complete journey and that is 100% okay. Totally. Love that, Matt. Yeah. Totally, love that Matt. I agree. I concur.

I don't know, I don't, yeah anyway. I think it's beautiful and I think if more people accepted that, we'd see a much happier world. When you look at religions that start picking at other religions and start thinking, oh this person's wrong, that's where you lead to war, you lead to hate, and if everyone was just like a little bit more accepting that everyone's on a different path, then we'd all just accept each

other in love, man. We'd all hold each other's hands and boost each other up. What's amazing too is like when you really dig into the core values of like why people believe like certain things politically or religiously, it usually comes down to very similar values and you you just have to realize like, look, we had completely different upgrabings. We, yeah, we grew up in different places. We were taught different religions. Like so much of our life is different.

And because of that, it shaped who we are. But when we look at like the core of who we are as humans, like we care about the same things. Like we care about family, our family and our friends and our children. And like, we want to see the world better. And and that's I think we need to be reminded of that because we're all humans we're all just the same yeah we're all just monkeys on this freaking spinning rock right it's not much more complicated than that yeah you guys just launched your own podcast

relaunched relaunched your your podcast Reroute with Eamonn and Beck. Congratulations. Thank you. How are you guys feeling about that? So great. Like in such alignment. I feel like YouTube started to become a place of pacing or anything really. Even though it was long format, we were really conscious, like, okay, that scene's run too

long. And I don't want to cut off what we have to say. Like, I just think the people in our lives and just our own story just deserves some breathing room. And I'm so, so excited. Yeah. I was feeling like a little bit creatively drained from just the pacing of YouTube

and just making another vlog because that's our job. So I feel like for us, like switching it up and diving into this medium, and we've invested a lot into making it a proper show, and I got a lot of guidance from you as well, so I appreciate that. But yeah, I do feel excited about it. I mean, it's a weird thing to think like I can sit down

and have something to say for two hours and people are gonna listen. But I think we just authentically be ourselves and you know, we've got stories to share and people I'd love to sit down and interview and yeah, I think it's going to be really impactful. We've had some amazing comments already and yeah, it's I'm excited to take over the studio tomorrow. Yeah, appreciate you letting us do that. It's good to be on your podcast. I'm excited.

I'm so excited. And thank you guys for the tea, your tea company. This means we're having another baby Matt. Come on, McTurn-dee-blend. I tried your chai. I'm a big chai fan. Very good. Thank you, bro. I think the branding is so cool.

It's so nice. It's so simple and I feel like it definitely embodies your vibe. And so I think it's very on brand for you guys. Thank you. The whole idea behind Habit is like to bring back conversation. So having traveled so much, we see that tea is still like this,

come in for tea and have a chat and you know, so it's actually like they're all speech bubbles, like you can barely tell, but the two things are so it's like bringing like the new age of like, maybe you text your friend like thinking of you or whatever. So we have conversation starters with every package that goes out and it's really about human connection. So it's tea. I love those conversation cards. I thought that was so cool when you guys sent us

habit tea. I was like, I love that they have these conversation cards because they're one of my favorite things to do when friends or family around. Sometimes you just like can't think of an interesting topic to talk about and those cards can bring out so many cool conversations. That's exactly what we're saying, man. We're actually launching a full deck and it comes with a cool stand. So just leaving them on their coffee table.

Oh, we're getting that. We'll send you one. And it's so cool because we have it on our coffee table, but we could just be hanging with the most random people. We have the triplex people who are coming in and out and then someone will just look at it and grab one. then just you know all the sending goes from like a surface Let's talk about the weather to like you know when's the last time we cried well you guys definitely go drink their tea Have it is so good

I love the conversation cards, and if you haven't already listened to their podcast you definitely should it is so so good I'm gonna be a weekly listener I love your guys's perspective, and you guys have obviously had so many cool experiences together. Like, I'm sure you got lots to talk about. Aw, thank you guys. It'll be entertaining for sure. Yeah, thank you guys for being on the show.

Anywhere else, people can find you guys on social. Like, where should they check you guys out? They can type my name as many different ways as they want. They'll find us. Emon, Emon. Or even if you just type Ann Beck, you'll see our channel. Ann Beck. Just forget about the Emon, Emon, or even if you just type and Beck you'll see our channel. Just forget about the Emon guy. Emon. Yeah we're Emon and Beck on YouTube and our podcast is called Re-Root so we'd love to have you join us

if something resonated today. And as always, Peace out dudes!