The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - Emily Miller & Cam Holmes on life after Too Hot to Handle, getting married, and UK vs. USA

Episode Date: April 30, 2025

We sat down with Too Hot to Handle stars Emily Miller and Cam Holmes—and it turns out, their relationship is the real deal. From finding love on a reality show to planning their wedding, we talk all about life after Too Hot to Handle and how British vs. American culture actually compares. (Spoiler: the UK slang is wild) This episode is sponsored by Revolve, Nutrafol, LiquidIV and Goodr. Revolve: Shop at http://REVOLVE.com/unplanned and use code UNPLANNED for 15% off your first order. #REVOLVEpartner Nutrafol: Visit https://nutrafol.com and enter promo code UNPLANNEDPOD for $10 off any order and free shipping when you subscribe. LiquidIV: Get 20% off your first order of Liquid I.V. when you go to https://LiquidIV.com and use code UNPLANNED at checkout. Goodr: Go to https://goodr.com/unplanned and use code UNPLANNED for free shipping. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're gonna pay you to fix the, how would you feel if your child watches Too Hot to Handle? Oh, I'm gonna sit him down and watch it. No, no, no, no, no. Instead of lying, king, we're gonna watch Too Hot to Handle. He had to go see a doctor.

Wait, I just heard that was fake. I had to have a sit down conversation and be like, what should we do here? I'm like, well, you just need to let me run. You're too pure for this conversation. You're laboring with other women here? Yeah, you're just in one big room with curtains separating you. They said you can't stay, and I said, at no point am I leaving or else.

She can't even look after herself right now, let alone a baby. You're going to have to physically remove me from this hospital. Do y'all think you want to have a big family? Oh, definitely. I've always been happy with having two kids, but you've always wanted three. I'd even push a four, you know. Okay, well. I would happily be pregnant again right now.

We sat down with Emily and Cam from Netflix's Too Hot to Handle. In 2022, Emily underwent emergency surgery due to an ectopic pregnancy. Then in a surprising twist, they found themselves pregnant again, but the birth did not go according to plan. We talk about behind the scenes of reality TV,

navigating fame, and whether or not Emily and Cam plan on tying the knot. Cam and Emily, welcome to Unplanned. Thank you for having us guys. Okay. I'm so curious. What did your hospital bill cost with the birth of your child? That's a recent thing, right?

You guys are new parents. We are new parents. How much did it cost her? It was free. Big up the NHL. That hurts. That hurts quite a bit. Yeah, how much did it cost? It was free. Big up the NHS. That hurts. That hurts quite a bit. But I always feel this way, like don't we pay in like that and tax?

We pay in other ways. Yeah, we do. We pay a hell of a lot. It's a bit of a big topic, the NHS. Oh, really? Yeah, because like some of the UK want it, some of the UK kind of don't. It's a bit of a, I don't know enough about it to speak on it. Oh, so it's kind of a controversial thing. A little bit, yeah. With like the, how high taxes are here?

Yeah, yeah. I think it's been raised to 45% now. Oh my, wait, wait. If you earn a certain amount, you'll get taxed 45%. Tell anyone who hasn't seen Too Hot To Handle kind of the premise of the show. I guess it's just like a bunch of hot singles swallowing around in bikinis but you're not

allowed to have sex or kiss or they call it heavy petting. I thought that was funny, is that a British thing? I've never heard of it. Heavy petting? I thought it was your guys thing. Not an American thing. I heard it and I was like what the f*** is that? Yeah we had to make sure.

But it was a weird loophole because it was like right is this heavy petting? And they were like, they made it the rules. Is this heavy petting? Oh my god, was that a British thing? Yeah, it was no clue. It was a weird loophole because it was like, right, is this heavy petting? And they were like, they made it the rules. Is this heavy petting? Oh my god.

Was that unique to your situation? Because I don't know what the culture is like in the UK, but at least where Abby and I grew up, it was kind of like an expectation to wait till marriage. Was that how you guys grew up? Absolutely not. Yeah. Not really. Yeah, it's actually pretty wild in the UK. When do people start doing those things?

I was a good girl. I was 16. I waited. I was legal where 16 is legal here. Yeah, what's legal in the US 18? Okay, I was So that's not legal No, yeah, he's a criminal. So we went on the show, obviously, as these kind of like loose, wild singles. And you thought it was like a partying show. Yeah, we initially, yeah, like they hype you up and say, listen, you go wild, like get with whoever. So for the first few days, like we were under the impression that's what we were doing.

Yeah. So when we finally formed connection, like me and you, because we, as soon as I saw him, I was like was like, you're mine, I just knew it. And then I was like, right, I'm ready to do the deed, I want to do it with you. And that's when, whoa! Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whoa! That was fun, that was so good. Really? I want to do it with you.

Anyway, that's when Lana, the robot, comes out to ruin all the fun. Basically the premise of the show is like too abstain. Like that perfectly. Obviously they want the drama and they don't want you to fully dive into it and do nothing because essentially then they get no entertainment. But like just the actual premise of the show,

I feel like I was at a point in my life where I actually needed it because I was in a bit of a boy period of my life. Was it 18 women that you were seeing at the same time? Is that true? Yeah. A lot of admin. So that must have been a very big shift to go from that to abstaining. Yeah, he had to go see a doctor because of his blue balls.

Wait, I just heard that was fake. No, do you know what? There are people that have said, oh, it wasn't. No, I literally just heard a podcast the other day, like I was shocked when I found out blue balls wasn't me. No, it's called Epidedema or hypertension. That's the official name of it. And it's basically when, if you've like, Been aroused.

If you've been aroused and come close to climaxing a few times, but haven't, it builds up in like this area and it causes a lot of pain. I was like dry wretched in the toilet. Like I was, my back was hit and I couldn't walk. What? On the show or was this after the show? No, no, it was on the show. I had to speak to the doctors and they pulled me out and they said, right, we're going to have to take you off the show because we're going to have to do a scan to is. It's not, it's nothing like cancerous. It's not that I was like, I just need to, you know, and they were like, okay. So I had to have a sit down conversation with like the, the, the exec producers and the

doctor and be like, what should we do here? I'm like, well, you just need to let me, let me run. But yeah, but that was that. Yeah. So you were given like a, did that literally fix it? Yeah. So I was like, I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it.

I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it.

I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm like, well, you just need to let me, let me run. But that was that. Yeah. Did that literally fix it? Yeah, it did. Yeah. So that's, yeah, that's our old life now. So apparently it's not a myth. It's not. No, it's a real thing. You just, he was walking around the whole villa all the time, like,

like an old man. You know, I didn't believe you until you said that long medical term. I was like, you know what, maybe he does know what he's talking about. Yeah, I got special tablets. And it was probably free. You probably went to the doctor and didn't have to pay a penny. She gave me some special big blue tablets and I took them before bed. Not Viagra.

No, they were not Viagra. No, they were just, they were just helpers. They actually have medicine for blue balls. I don't know what it was. I think it was just like really strong neurofent and it just like numb, it just numb me. It put me to sleep. So. That is really wild. So you kind of, that was like your motivation I don't know what it was. I think it was just like really strong neuro-fren and it just like numb, it just numb me. It put me to sleep, so.

That is really wild. So you kind of, that was like your motivation for signing up for the show? Not really, I didn't really want to be in a relationship. I just wanted to kind of build a platform. I knew that I wanted to, suppose I wanted to start doing, I used to do music, so I wanted to kind of use

that platform to push my music. So I was like, okay, this would be a great opportunity for me. But I didn't think I'm gonna get in a relationship because I thought I've got too much emotional baggage. I don't want to kind of use that platform to push my music so I was like okay this would be a great opportunity for me but I didn't think I'm gonna get in a relationship because I thought I've got too much emotional baggage I don't want to deal with that don't think I could commit to someone and obviously just but I was persistent like he fucked up a couple times on the show but I was just like that's okay I'm here whenever you're ready like that's fine like you she was like none of the wiser because then was just like there. Yeah, I'm ready to go for me

I was in the interview room like chatting about my parents divorce like loads of things like trauma I won't put in the turn the camera off So we don't want to hear this because I was in there crying and stuff because I generally I Saw someone that I really want to spend the rest of my life with and I was I don't want to I have a bit of a stick thing against like reality couples because you see so many of them come and go and they're just like They'll come from a show and they'll stay together for like three months. They'll break up I didn't want to be that I was like if I'm gonna leave now with this person I want it to be for the rest of my life. I was like I'm either or nothing

So I was like right, okay I'm gonna do this work on the show because they got therapists there as well. So it's free therapy Heck yeah. I was like may as well do it. Are they recording all the therapy sessions? Yeah, but yeah, yeah. It's free therapy. Freaking everything. With the camera to hear about all your childhood. Not with the brain. I didn't see it.

It's more about the behind the scenes stuff. Like we just be chatting things through. But there'd be times where they're like, right, I don't think we can hear this, you know, chatting about actual deeper stuff. But yeah, here we are nearly five years later. Here we are, yeah. That's wild.

And what was your motivation going into the show? I'm curious. So, COVID just hit. So, it was in our first year of that and I was like, this is sh**. Get me out of this country. And they messaged me for this show and I just thought, why the hell not? Like, okay. Didn't think anything of it.

Didn't think I'd get anywhere near to going on. And then they just kind of, cause we couldn't meet in person cause of COVID. So we just kept having zooms and they kept wanting to speak to me again. I was like, it's really weird. Like why do they keep wanting to speak to me? Like I had like four or 5,000 followers, like nothing.

And then yeah, next thing you know, they said, right, pack your things, you're off. I was like, mom, I'm going, see ya. And I had no expectations. I honestly had, really had no idea what I was letting myself into, I'm going, see ya. And I had no expectations. I honestly had, really had no idea what I was letting myself into, to be honest. I was honestly just going for a good time. Yeah, you're very,

Em's very much like living the moment. Doesn't think things through too much. I'm like the forward thinker. Em's just like, yeah, it'd be fun, let's go. Yeah, that's literally, yeah, that's literally me. What did friends and family think about the show or like you going on? My brothers initially were like, oh, for God for god's sake Emily like this is just typically typical you like embarrassing

us like all of this but in hindsight actually now off the back of it it's actually brought me and my family all closer. I think it's before the show I was kind of like I was in a dead-end job like living for the, not really having much going for myself, had no aspirations or anything. So yeah, now I'm successful and got my shit together. My family want to know me again, so win-win. Thank you to Revolve for sponsoring this portion of today's episode. Abby looks so hot in her Revolve.

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Offer ends May 12th, so don't miss out. How would you feel if your child, you know, 10 years from now, watches your season of Too Hot to Handle? Oh, I'm gonna sit him down and watch it, wouldn't I? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, that's gonna be, instead of Lion King, we're gonna watch Too Hot to Handle. You can watch some episodes, but I don't dunno, it's a weird thing because people keep...

I love, I often watch it back, I love it. You watch it but he's not, if he watched that he'd seem like... But it's not a love story though. Yeah but there's some scenes of me in the shower, you know, I just don't know. You can't watch that. You can't watch that. I think episode... Instead of Lion King.

Episode 9 and 10, you can watch that. That's nice and cute. That's romantic. Episode 9, but the first part, he doesn't want to be watching Mummy and Daddy. No, no. Okay, alright. I can get by those parts. Because I wouldn't want to watch that. Would you want to watch your Mum and Dad?

No. Would you want to watch your Dad in the shower? No. Yeah, no you wouldn't. I wouldn't. But I mean, you can't actually see anything. No, you can't see anything. It's obviously very...

They have cameras in the shower? In the toilets? Yeah, everywhere. Cameras everywhere. How, so some editors are seeing you in your privates all the time. You sign up for that. Yeah, you have to sign up. I mean, you know that they can't show that, but they can watch it.

So people can watch it, but they can't obviously hear it on TV. So it's... I remember one time I was in the villa and there was, we had no idea, like, it's called the galley where all the TV screens are for all the hundreds of cameras in the villa and One day do you remember walking past and there's a secret door open and we could see in the galley And honestly, you could see everything everywhere all like this and they saw me looking in there and they shut the door In the middle of the villa. Yeah, it's crazy.

That is really wild. I love your take on your son not seeing the show. I mean, is there something that you regret from the show that you wouldn't want him knowing about? No, not really. Well, no. I think like- What about when you nearly kissed Christina?

No, I think that's all part of it. That's part of our journey and that's part of me learning and and and going through the motions of getting to where we are now. I think like when he because he it's gonna be a point where he probably does watch it on his own back. Yeah I'm gonna explain to him you know that he will watch it. Yeah he probably will. Him and his little friends are gonna be like oh we're gonna watch our mum and dad. Hopefully it's just Netflix deleted by then. But I'll explain to him that as a point in your mummy and daddy's life, you know, we're not obviously those people now, but that was, you know, to get to where we are.

I think, you know, I'm not that person anymore and you are not that person. We're so different. We're a lot more chill. I've matured so much. Well, we're mum and dad now. We've matured a lot. I just have a conversation with them and let them know that that's, yeah, maybe just don't watch episode three.

Episode three? Like, don't watch episode three. Episode three? Don't watch episode three, please. Talk to me too about the decision to have a kid. How did you decide that the timing was right? We didn't. Yeah, to be quite honest, it was, I wouldn't say a mistake, but it was unexpected. Yeah, it wasn't a mistake. It was, it was, it was not planned.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't planned. Yeah. But I just knew, because before I fell pregnant with Reggie, I was pregnant before, but it was an ectopic pregnancy. So I just knew that, you know, there was never any option. I was going to have the baby. Yeah. So, you know, I don't really know what you want to say on it.

No, it's fine. I think I'm happy to say that when she told me I I took it really badly. Yeah, you did Yeah, first pregnancy. No this one The first one though, did you know you were pregnant for a while and then it turned out to be ectopic? Yeah, exactly Yeah, it's her neck topic. Well, it was going for a week, but I had to have the feet is removed at nine weeks But honestly, that's fine now, I'm absolutely fine about that. I think it happens for a reason. But I'm just so lucky that you can still have babies after. Reggie's perfect and healthy and happy. And the pregnancy, I love being pregnant. So it's all perfect. You're so gorgeous pregnant. I was literally looking through your Instagram and I was like,

this is the type of woman that other women are just so, I look like a beach whale. I like, how do you look so, you look like a goddess. Beautiful. So I'm like. I felt beautiful, honestly. I loved it.

Oh, you can tell. Yeah, I loved it. I loved it. I'd always get my bump out. Like, I loved it. I was so empowered. That's incredible for you. Was there a time,

I don't know a whole lot about ectopic pregnancy though. Was there a time where you had the excitement of, yay, we're gonna be parents? Yeah, for you. Was there a time, I don't know a whole lot about ectopic pregnancy though, was there a time where you had the excitement of, yay, we're going to be parents? And then you find out that it's growing not within the womb. Yeah, I mean truth be told, we were quite early into our relationship still, so we were a bit skeptical what we were going to do with the baby. It was like, you know, were we going to keep it or not? We weren't sure about us at the time as well we're going for a bit of a rough

patch but then when we finally decided to say yeah we're gonna keep this baby to then find out that this was happening yeah it was it was horrible yeah it was yeah it was horrible. It's a weird one because I was like I kind of put it to the bottom back of my mind but you sometimes think like it could be Reggie's brother or sister. It's a weird thought to think. But I remember at the time as well, the pain I was in, it was so painful. I was just back in Paris Eatonmore. I was just like, no, it's fine. It's whatever. But it's to the point where it just got screw shit. I collapsed in the supermarket. You had to carry me home. At the time I lived in a flat, it's like a walk distance. You had to carry me home. At the time I lived in a flat, I could walk a distance. You had to carry me home and then you're like, right, we need to call the ambulance.

And I was like, no, no, no. I hate that kind of thing. I was like, I'm not dragging attention. I don't need an ambulance. Just give me some more fare. I'll see you tomorrow. I'm fine. And then eventually I called 111 and they're like, no, we're sending out an ambulance to you. And it all happened so quick, wasn't it? Luckily we did it in time because it it could have led to something more personal. Yeah, basically if I left it a day or two more, it could have been fatal. Gosh.

Like it was growing so big in my fallopian tube, it would have burst. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's pretty scary. That's so scary. Yeah, really scary, yeah. And so this was early on in your relationship. Yeah.

Yeah, I think our relationship wasn't, it wasn't in the best of places I think you know when you come off a reality show I Get why a lot of couples break up because it's it's hard. It's intense You've got you know we went from three thousand five thousand followers to you know, one point something million It's a lot like the brain isn't supposed to manage that you're not meant to go through that I think then we'd be going to events. We'd have all this kind of like tension instant gratification Yeah, and then things started to kind of like tension, instant gratification.

Yeah. And then things started to kind of dip off as you would, as, as, as you would, you know, you come off a show, you have the height and then it dips a bit. Yeah. And I think I definitely struggled with that. I didn't really know how to kind of like validate myself and I was like, Oh, come on, do things wrong. And I think we went through a bit of just a rough patch.

We didn't communicate as much as we should do. I was quite a shit just person I think I was not very good at communicating and I wasn't very good telling him how I was feeling I was actually at the time severely like depressed and yeah, really just not in a good way mentally I didn't speak to my family or friends for a while. I was in this hang around about the wrong people I just you're trying to be someone you weren't yeah trying to impress other people like make people please other people to make them happy Like yeah, yeah, I didn't know I didn't know who I was in this yeah In this industry, I think it's so good to know what you're doing what your niche is who you are

I didn't know that I just I was this boy from reality show come from this small town in Wales Didn't I've never been to London like twice. I didn't really know any of it and then all of a sudden my well, who am I? So yeah, I just wasn't, I wasn't in the best way and it reflected in our relationship, for sure. When you're having these thoughts of who am I and you're depressed and you are just trying to figure out your life again, how far after the show did all of that occur?

Within the first year. Within the first year, because that wave stops. You know, at first it was like, we could put anything up and it would just done crazy numbers. And you probably felt like a failure then if your numbers weren't the same. You thought, oh, I'm messing something up. It becomes a personal thing. It's not about you and it's about everything you do. And at the time. Can I just say on the receiving end of that, it was crazy for me because I thought he was like this confident guy, like, you know, didn't care about anything. And then to see him just switch, it was, I've never been with a guy who was so like emotional.

And I didn't, I honestly didn't think guys had feelings at the time. So it was crazy for me to deal with that and go through that with you. Because it's made, it's helped me grow as a person as well, hasn't it? Yeah, I think it was like, when I went on the show,

I never, I didn't tell him about like my struggles with mental health and I had them before, but you know, when I went on the show, I was in a really good place. Yeah. And I knew that it was gonna affect me, because I spoke to like my dad, someone I speak to all the time,

and he was like, you know what your head's like, he's like, you're gonna go up there. It's like, I predicted it, I knew I was gonna go up there, ride that wave, and then it was gonna come crashing down. Yeah. And I stupidly didn't put anything in place. So I was just riding that wave and I didn't really do any work on myself to be prepared for that.

So then I think, to be honest, it lasted for, I'd say literally until we've had Reggie, where I'm now in such a good place for the last nine months. I've been the happiest I've ever been. I've kind of made a bit of a switch in my own career as well, where I really feel like I kind of know who I am in the industry. And it's just nice to be your authentic self within you and then also on your platform. I think when there's two different versions of you, you

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Like I feel like my followers are so loyal that I've not actually experienced like a crash in anything, like a little bit, but it's been like a gradual thing so it's like whatever, but I have never taken anything like too seriously. Like I am very well aware that I have a sell-by date, so I'm always expecting to just, you know, one day be irrelevant and I'm absolutely fine with that. That's not gonna happen. That's not gonna happen. All I want to be is a housewife, you see, so. Oh, you want to be a housewife? That's all I want to be met, what do you want to do? I want to be a housewife.

Housewife content is great content. I said that. Housewife content. Like you know those videos they do where people restock in their fridge? I love them. Oh yeah you watch those videos? So satisfying. And I'm like no one's fridge looks like that but I'll take it, I'm here for it. Yeah, and see, if I was a housewife and had the time, I would do that for you. I'd love it if our fridge, if our fridge looked like that. If I came home,

not that I'd go out to work anyway, I'm always home. If I came, In the kitchen. If I came into the kitchen, I'd love that if our fridge looked like that. Okay, well, you're a doer. Just like, diet coked, aesthetically stacked,

left to right. Our fridge looks like the entire pot from dinner that Matt is like cleaning up from and just puts the lid back on. Oh, I've seen that video recently. It's like when the wife packs leftovers away when the husband has. Yeah, I do that.

It's like I get, I'm like, okay, less dirty dishes, but also it's so unappetizing to like, you know. See, if it's soup though, like soup just, it tastes better the next day. I think everything tastes better the next day. No, yeah,, it also stinks of the fridge. See, if it's soup though, like soup just, it tastes better the next day. I think everything tastes better the next day. No, yeah, but that's why I just move it to a different container. I love leftovers. And I don't think having it in a different container

makes it taste any better. No, I agree. You must have a big fridge if you're putting pots and pans. We actually do. America! I was gonna say, put a whole pot in the fridge. Being here in London, I've been like, how do you- Is that your fridge, that little tiny thing?

We didn't know what it was. How do you get by with these tiny little fridges here? The fridge is by the front door. We were on a trip a couple years ago. We met a couple from Paris and they were talking about how their friends got an American fridge. No, no, they said our friends love food so much they got an American fridge. But there was no space in their kitchen for it. They had to put it in the living room.

But like American fridges are... You guys have got some great frid got a big like wow as long as you in speaker than me yeah sure wait inside I can get inside of it if I need to I so when it gets to 40 50 degrees whatever yeah I, it gets so hot in Arizona. Take out the bowl of soup that, or the pot of soup that I put in there. You guys have a different sort of blood running through your veins here because I've seen Brits walk around with t-shirts and shorts.

It's like 50 degrees out, windy. I don't understand it. Tank tops, I saw tank tops. Today? Yesterday. I was just gonna wear a t-shirt today but I don't know what I will wear. Yeah, he's normally in t-shirts.

This is a really thin hoodie, I've just got a vest underneath and I've been quite warm today. That's fine. That's insane. We're weird, really, because as soon as it gets a bit hot, we get so excited. Like, people take, like, they do barbecues, they have their top off. It can be, like, 15 degrees and people have got their tops off. Would you move to America? Rewind a couple years, yeah. We would have loved to.

But now you're here, oh, because of your kid. You're not gonna leave your family when you have a kid. Yeah, and I don't know about going to America with a kid. I don't know, you just see so many things happening. I will say, your city here is so clean. I've been to New York, I've been to LA, Chicago. London is so clean. It's cleanest.

That's crazy. Oh, I love that. That's nice. And everyone seems to have such class. We think it's a show. Well, actually, because there's those people enforcers. Oh, I love that. That's nice. And everyone seems to have such clasps. Well, I think it's because there's those people enforcers. Oh, the traffic enforcers. No, the litter enforcers.

The litter enforcers? I've never seen anything like that. There's people with their hands on their hips. The posters of guys who are like, we're going to fine you 250 pounds if you litter. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why it's clean. Yeah, probably. I mean, in my eyes, it's not green. Oh yeah, people aren't allowed to flick their fag butts anymore, are they?

Wait, what? It's a cigarette. It's a cigarette, we call them fags. I knew that. Yeah, the fags. That means it's a very gross joke. Oh, that's a derogatory, yeah. No, we call them fags, it's a fag butt, like.

What you're a fag. So if, like, why can I borrow a fag, means can I, like, have cigarettes? Yeah. Really? I knew that. I did smoke when I was on the show, and I'd say to the Americans I was like I'm a really fancy fag they were like yo

didn't realize you were like that and I was like oh you are in shock right now that is just in that context you've never heard that? never heard that ever cause obviously that word for you guys means it's quite a derogatory it's quite like god that's a big word but no for us cause because we don't even know if on like what you to let you say that

No, you guys can cut that as far. I think I think I don't know what the can as well. So he'll have fruit like faggots as sausages, right? Yeah, really nice food. Faggots. Yeah. You can go and eat faggots. You can faggots and peas. Yeah, faggots and peas. You call sausages what? Faggots, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, you get faggots, mash, and peas. It's weird because like the same language is... Yeah, no, it's... ...in completely different meanings. Yeah. You know what's funny? Even when I was ordering... But also that's probably where it came from, huh? If it's-

Yeah. Maybe, yeah. No, but sausage- Oh. Maybe, maybe. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, because that- That's gotta be where it came from.

That needs to be around for a long time. It seems that people in the UK tend to curse a lot more, because where we grew up, like, we would use substitute words like- They'd like, wash your mouth out with soap. Ohucks or oh she'd say shiz oh my gosh like does anyone here say oh my gosh no yeah we definitely do swear a bit more and it's just like quite normal it's very normal like growing up we would have the wash your mouth out with soap but we wouldn't like to swear growing up. I'd have like a jar if I swore, or not swore, but like crap. Did you?

That's so cute. Crap would be like, if I said crap, they'd be like, oh my God, you can't let that swear in. But then I think- But do you say bloody? That's our like- Bloody hell. Yes.

That's our PG swear word. Like, oh bloody hell. What are you saying? You sound so British the way you say it. I learned that from reading Harry Potter as a kid. Yeah, I was going to say it. Harry Potter. Yeah.

That's hilarious. If kids were saying hell, like that would be like, oh no. Really? That's a no-no for you guys. Yeah. Oh nice. What did you say? Can you say hell would be so like, oh.

Oh yeah, I wouldn't say hell as a kid. Hello? I would have to wash my mouth out with soap. Really? You ever had to do that? I did a couple of times, yeah. You're kidding. I like, oh. Oh yeah, I wouldn't say hello to the kid. Hello? I would have to wash my mouth out with soap. Really? I did that. You actually ever had to do that? I did a couple of times, yeah. You're kidding.

I did, yeah. You literally had to do that? Yes. His parents were pretty strict. Did you actually wash your mouth out with soap? Yes. I was just the empty throat for me. I didn't think that was the answer.

No, I actually did it. I actually had to do it once. It was like a morbid. What's it like? It tastes like soap. It's nasty, yeah. It's nasty. Yeah, it doesn't taste good at all. I can't believe they actually made you do that. I think I did that once. It wasn't like, it wasn't a common thing.

What'd you say? So we said, what one time's enough. Stupid. Probably hell. I probably, or maybe I called my brother a butthole. I don't know. Sorry, it didn't touch it. Oh, you're good. We're still chill. Okay. Sorry, I didn't mean to. We rolled. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

Oh, it's fine, it's fine. And being from different providences, Wales and England, are those considered countries? Or no, the UK is one country, right? I don't, enlighten me. Don't ask me. Honestly, I'm clueless. So the UK is the United Kingdom,

which has four countries in Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and England. So they're all run by their own governments in a sense, but essentially England does have a lot more influence over it. So they're not far from each other. Like to drive home to my family in Wales, it's like three hours. That's really close.

Yeah, it's quite close. So yeah, you're from obviously Wales. No, you're from England. Am I? Am I from Wales? But there's not really like that much difference. Like I also don don't sound Welsh. If I was an actual true Welsh person. Yeah, do you think we sound different? No. I think you guys sound the same. I think you sound the same. I don't have like a good ear for it.

I'm like a fake Welsh because we live quite close to England and also growing up. My dad was in the army so he was very well spoken. And my mum was quite well spoken as well. So we didn't really have much of a Welsh influence on the accent. So Wales is known for not being well spoken? Do a Welsh impression, do a Welsh impression. So if I was speaking Welsh I'd speak a bit more like this, everything would be a little bit deeper, everything would be a bit more funny and you kind of accentuate the end of

words but yeah that's not how I speak. Oh yeah I heard a difference there. It's a lot funnier so it's a bit like that. I'm Welsh, how we doing? You alright? It's nice to meet you both. You having a nice chat today or what? That sounds kind of Irish. Yeah. It sounds more like Irish to me.

It's a very nice accent, like some of my mates. Like your Merida from the Disney movie. Don't do it, Matt. Literally every time afterwards he's like, why do I always try to do accents in front of people? I was panicking when I tried to do it British. Was that Irish? What was that? I don't even know. I was thinking, don't do that again.

He was trying to be Irish I think. Yeah, that was bad. I shouldn't do that. I'm going to keep that for myself. Edit that out. I'll work on that a bit more. We'll get a coach. So you said, okay, going back to finding out you're pregnant with Reggie, you said you didn't handle it very well. No.

We got so sidetracked. Yeah, I know. We really want to. We're just talking about the differences between our countries. That's the nature of this. I love that. Yeah, no, I didn't take it too well. Thank you to Liquid IV for sponsoring this portion of today's episode. If you haven't tried Liquid IV, you are missing out.

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Yeah, because we hadn't spoken about it and I didn't really know what was going on. I think it was a lot of like, just I felt really out of control. I felt like I was in the right place in my career for the time to have a baby. And it just didn't go down well. My brain just wanted to accept it, but it couldn't.

It was like, well, what's it gonna get? Just a lot of uncertainties. I remember I spoke to my dad and he was like, this will be the best thing that's ever happened to you. And I was like, what? Let me give some context. We was on holiday for his birthday, I took him away. And I planned to house him and tell him

I found out just before we were flying. So I was like, printing off some pictures to like, for his birthday and all, it's pinning pictures around just to have our year together. And so I had this picture of the pregnancy test and I was going to pin it somewhere so he could see it. And then just something in me was like, no that doesn't seem right, I'm just not going to do it that way. So I took the picture down, I didn't have the picture up. And I kind of just waited and kind of brewed on it and I let him have his birthday. So I told him the next day at dinner and we were getting some wine. He was

like, oh let's get a bottle of wine. I was like, mmm, don't really fancy a drink. And immediately that rang alarm bells for him, because I love a glass of wine. And he was a bit like, mmm, okay, are you feeling okay? And I was like, yeah, I just need to go to the toilet. I went to the toilet. I was in the mirror. I was like, right, Emily, why are you so nervous?

Just compose yourself. Like, it's fine. I don't know why I was so nervous. It was just something in me was like, I just knew he was going to like, just, I don't know, I was so nervous it's something in me was like I just knew he was gonna like just I don't know because it's such a shock I think so then I came back out and I just said straight away I was like Cam I'm pregnant mmm and he went I think you spat your drink out didn't you yeah you were like what I was like I'm pregnant and I think we ended up leaving the restaurant didn't we yeah I think more because I was upset I was so excited to tell him

and being pregnant I was so excited to tell him and being pregnant I was so excited being pregnant again So what happened last time that that kind of you just sort of shut it all down for me I hate I hate that I reacted that way but in a weird way I needed to in order to like be okay with everything and like the time I really Processed everything. I'm very much a person where I don't bury stuff I can't everything comes out and sometimes that's a really good thing But sometimes it's it's a negative.

You know, when Em sees everything and it's out in the open and that was one of those, that was the situation where I could have just buried it and gone, oh amazing, that's great. But I was like, I can't hide this. I was like, I'm going to have to tell you exactly how I'm feeling. You're panicking. And I think for me, I was not in the, again, I was still not really at a place where I was happy in myself. But financially as well. Yeah, it was a few different things going on and I was like, I was scared about having a baby

because I was like, well, I, you know, have this kind of problem with mental health sometimes and how am I going to be a good dad when I can't even look at myself in a weird way? And then I remember my dad was, he told my mom, I frowned my mom, kind of crying. I was like, oh, mom, it's all over. She was like, it's fine. Everything's going to be okay. I spoke to my dad and he was like, it's going to be the best thing that's ever happened to you.

And it has. Like that, I don't know, just that boy has changed my life. And I know people say that it does, but I can't even explain how much happier and just content. It's not even just happier. It's like, life stops becoming about you

in the best way possible. Like you still work on yourself and you still do stuff, but it's no longer like, you just put stuff into context. You're like, that stuff doesn't matter anymore. That's not important. You know what's important. So like in a weird way, I'm really glad that I did react in that way because I think then by the time I had the baby, I was so ready.

I think some guys hold it in and they're like, yeah, I'm fine. And then everything comes out when they've had the baby. But by the time we had it, I was like, yeah, this is, I'm so excited. I just had- I know, you was excited for the pregnancy as well. Yeah, I was, yeah. It was just that first week was just like, oh, Christ, panic.

Oh, yeah. I was ready to leave him. I was like, fine, I'm gonna do this on my own. No way. Are you kidding? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like, I'm doing this on my own. Keeping the baby, whether you like it or not. I was obviously not gonna happen.

I was not gonna be able to do it on my own. Yeah, obviously I knew we were all, no, that's never gonna happen. But I was just like, I'm leaving. Fine, I'll do it on my own. Was it an expectation, like, yeah, from your family, was it an expectation that you get married before having a baby? No. There's not really a thing here. That's not a thing in the UK. No, I think unless you're like, religious, but no, it's not really a thing. So most people here have kids before they get married? I mean, you can go either way.

I mean, like for Em, you've always said you... Like, we're not even engaged and I want another baby before. I care more about that side than getting married. So people always like, in our comments, oh, when you're going to put a ring on it? And I'm like, what you don't know is obviously you do want a ring, but Em's actually not that bothered. She wants to have kids and be a mom and that. I know when a loving, committed relationship,

so like, I think because my parents were never married and you come from, you know, divorced parents. Married, divorced, divorce. A lot of divorces. How many? Yeah, it's just a lot of separation in the families. Four between them? Oh wow, okay.

Two each? Yeah. But they're both really happy now they've got their partners and they're gonna be with them for the rest of their life and they've worked out for the best and so both my mom and dad are so happy with with who they're with. And so for you you probably are afraid of marriage since you saw how many divorces that went on in your family? Not even not really that I think I've gone the other way like that's why I'm saying going back to what I

said on the show like me wanting to make sure the person I'm with is the person I'm with for the rest of my life. Yeah. gone the other way. That's why I say, going back to what I said on the show, me wanting to make sure the person I'm with is the person I'm with for the rest of my life is going the other way and being like, well, I don't want a divorce. There's just no rush for us. We're in it for the long run, so it's just kind of like, you do the kids first and then they can be the flower boys and girls at the wedding, so it's even better. Yeah, I think there's no rush for us and I think, you know, it does the most comment that the biggest comment we get.

Anytime you post anything. I could literally post something about the complete opposite. Pokemon cards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Someone already commented when you're going to post. I'm like, this video is about Pokemon. What? Stop.

Just stop. I think it's sweet. It's fine though, it's sweet because it shows people invested in our relationship and you know, I can't fault that at all. Growing up, did you think it was different that your parents weren't married as a child? They're together. No, it's not right now. Oh, they're not together anymore?

Yeah. Were a lot of your friends' parents married growing up? Yeah. Yeah. But then a lot of them also had separated. So it was never like a taboo. I mean, it wasn't even a question that friends asked like kind of think they just expected that they were married so

Yeah, I think you know it was never really an issue or even spoken about to be honest Is that quite a mental thing? Like honestly growing up. I don't think I knew of anybody that their parents were boyfriend and girlfriend As far as I remember when you say in it like that in your situation it sounds weird but that's basically what we're doing. Yeah, yeah. It does sound weird because I was, I generally refer to it as my wife because I think me saying it all, when I speak to people- You said mother-in-law. Well, I'll be honest with you, in my mind, having a child with someone is a bigger decision than marriage in my mind. Yeah. So I'm like, for you guys to take that step- Oh you agree? They think it's a bigger decision too. I agree with the baby, it's much,

much bigger. In my eyes, she is my wife and I know we're gonna... Can I just say, I have never heard those words come out of my mouth before. I sometimes prefer... I'm having palpitations right now. If like, I don't know, if I say my girlfriend, it sounds a bit weird. If I'm not speaking to someone like an insurance person, I'd be like, I'm my wife.

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how I felt. I was like, I hope people take me seriously. I'm 21, they probably look at me like a child, you know? Yeah. So you came around, you loved your pregnancy. I loved being pregnant. Oh, God, I'll do it again in the heartbeat. Well, I want to, but it's not down to me, unfortunately.

Is that down to me? That's how I feel. There's two people that have to decide. Surprise, surprise. Have to be on the same page, kind of. Yeah, but no, I loved being pregnant. I had no sickness, no aches or pains, nothing. My skin was glowing, my skin has never been so clear, my hair was thick and shiny and

long. I looked great. Honestly, I fell apart after. You really did enjoy pregnancy. You look like, you just look good. I know. My boobs, oh my god, I've never had boobs before and they were like this.

Did you just, what did you just say Cam? Christ. I was that not allowed. Oh. No, I thought your reaction was funny. And the words that you say, the word choices here are so interesting. Someone the other day asked Abby

where her parents were from and she said, she said brilliant after that. I thought that was so so cute No, she didn't call them pants she said trousers. Oh, yes, his pants here are under where they're calling Yeah, but pants pants are like box boxes and then trousers like all these jeans but tries the trousers Yeah, you guys just put everything in the pants category and I don't like it. Like what would you call joggers? Like tracksuit bottoms. Sweatpants?

Sweatpants. Oh, sweatshirt. You just had sweat in the front of it. So it's all just pants. It's confusing. What about tennis shoes? Or what do you call your? Trainers.

Trainers. Trainers. What do you call them? What do you call them? What's a trainer? What's a trainer? When I think of trainers, I think of like, you used to- These are trainers.

That's so funny, dude. What? That's hilarious. What would you call that? Tennis shoes. Tennis shoes. No. The first time I ordered fish and chips,

I was shocked when I had fries come out. I was expecting like to have chips. You're kidding. I was expecting chips. But the dish of fish and chips, you know. Did you have like skinny, skinny chips? Or fat ones. Fat ones, yeah. I see the I was expecting chips. But the dish of fish and chips, you know. You've gone to the wrong... Did you have like skinny, skinny chips? Or fat ones. Fat ones.

Yeah. I see the fat ones are chips. Fries are thin. Would you call like a fat fry a fried one? We'll call it like a potato wedge. Yeah. I think you guys have got it all wrong. Yeah, I think yeah.

I think you're too honest. I like trainers. Trainers. Trainers. Trainers. Trainers. And even like, what do you guys call cookies, biscuits here, right? Well, if it's a cookie, we call it a cookie. Yeah, if it's like chocolate chips, it's a cookie.

So like an Oreo would be a biscuit. Yeah. But like a cookie, so like a chocolate chip cookie would be a cookie. So we just have, I think what we do in British, we categorize things more. You guys just have a plain label. Like cookies would be biscuits. You guys are, you guys are lazy. That's what I think it is. Soda, yeah. Yeah. Like we, we call them by their names. We're like, I can have a Coke or can have a Sprite, but you'll just say soda, right?

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I'm literally like, what do I say? It is funny though, ordering here, I can just tell immediately that the person behind the counter knows that I'm American. Clueless. And it's so- Totally. Ordering coffee? Also, why do they only focus on one of us? Like if I'm ordering- They don't acknowledge us as a couple, so they'll be like, is that all? And I'm like, but he hasn't ordered yet. They almost act like we're separate, like we're not together. Yeah.

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You'd do it for the both of us. They'd never turn to him. Let's say I was ordering, they never turn to him and say, I'm what you want. No. They would just treat you as that because if one of us, if we go up and order. You'll do it for the both of us. They'd never turn to him. Let's say I was ordering, they'd never turn to him to say I'm what you want. No. They would just treat you as one customer if you're together. You think it's an efficiency thing?

I think it must be. Yeah, definitely. Sometimes I think they think that we're paying separate. And I'm like, no. Oh my God, he used to make me do that. Wait. You would make her pay. Yeah, because you're not making me do that.

Wait, wait, hold up, what happened? No, no, because it was nearly a deal breaker for me. No, it was at the start of our relationship. I didn't have much money. I didn't, I haven't. No, it actually made me feel sick. It actually made you feel sick. I didn't have much money.

Before the show, I literally was the delivery driver. I was like, I didn't have much money. So when we got with them, I was very used to like, I'll pay, you pay half and half. And yeah, well, you're lucky now that you're paying. And I would just be like, just give me the bill. But it was for some stuff that I like, looking back at it now, I'd be like,

we're getting McDonald's and I'd be like, six pound each, I'd be like, do you want to just. But it was for some stuff that I like looking back at it now, I'd be like, we're getting McDonald's and I'd be like, six pound each, I'd be like, do you want to just transfer me six pound? I hate that, I hate that. Yeah, no, I don't like it either. I don't like it either. We moved on from that. Yeah, I know that. We moved on from that.

And there I've got, who pays your bills? Me. Me? Yeah. Well, no, we split the rent half and half. Yeah, we split the rent. And he, because in the past half and half. Yeah, we split the rent. And he, because in the past I've paid for more stuff, like with living situations, then

this house he said that he's going to pay the bills. Now he hasn't paid him the bills yet, now it's come round to it, he's like, oh Em, you charge your car in the house, so do you not think you should contribute to the bills? I'm like, no, actually. The bills come through, it's a very big bill with I've messed up the energy I didn't give them I didn't give them the meter ratings long story. He's a criminal. It's a bad It's a bad bill. So I was like Emma Maybe we should have this one. Yeah, so there we go certain things but McDonald's I get the McDonald's now. Well, that's amazing

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I want to talk a little bit about like Reggie's birth experience I know that that didn't quite go as planned for you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it was awful to be honest. Really? I cannot. Everything that went wrong.

Sorry. Went wrong. Yeah. I was bleeding. As soon as I went into labor, my, I don't know what you call it, we call it like a mucus plug. Is that what you call it? Yeah. Yeah.

So that went, but then the blood just wouldn't stop. Just like naturally? Naturally, yeah. They tried to induce me, but I was like, no. Like I really wanted to do like sort of like hypnobirthing type vibe. Like I wanted to do it all natural. Like I was in control. Like I'd done so much reading, spoke to so many experts.

I was like, I've got this. But yeah, so when my mucus plug went, I just didn't stop bleeding. Was it at 40 weeks or? I was bang on, yeah, bang on 40 weeks. It was actually the day before my due date. Okay. Or couple days. Must have been a couple days. Couple days.

Couple days, yeah. So I got taken into hospital, and even though I wasn't dilated enough, because I was bleeding so much, they was like, right, you need to go down into theater And I was on a monitor for a into what theater. It's like a separate room Don't describe it. It's like so like if I wasn't at risk You'd be like in a communal area with other pregnant women in labor. It's more of a city. You're laboring with other women here. Yeah. Oh

women in labor. You're laboring with other women here? Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah, you're just in one big room with curtains separating you. And you can hear everything. Are people streaming and stuff? It's scary. Yeah, you hear everything. Well, in the holding bit first, there was people, yeah, but I don't know what to call it. That's what you would call it. Yeah. There were people laboring in there. Yeah. So, but you can't like hear anything. Like you're in your own room. Where you are. Yeah. Yeah. I know. That's I know it's the difference with NHS. Well, you're just free. So the theatre is where like high risk goes. Sorry, what? Yeah. Theatre is where higher risk. Yeah. So yeah, if you're at low risk, you're in the communal area, but high risk, you're in your own private bits because you need to be monitored. There's a nurse on you monitoring you the whole time.

So I had a thing around baby's heart and a thing around my heart. And then it's kind of like, it's a bit of a blur now, but hours have gone by and then by this point, they were like, right, you're actually good to go. You can do your water birth like you wanted to do. So I was like, great. So I got wheeled into that unit and then they checked me again when I was in there and the amount of blood that she pulled out, she was like, no, no, no, you need to go back that way. So I had to get taken back. So I was like, for fuck's sake. You know, your emotions

are like this thinking what's going on. And hours and hours had gone by and I finally caved into gas and air. And I was sucking on it like no tomorrow. I was like babe, I don't think this is working. She said to me, it's not working. I was like, let me test it. I did, I was like, yep, it's definitely working. I don't know if you did gas and air. What is that? That's not really as big of a thing. They don't even offer that.

Gas and air? It's like laughing gas. Yeah. They don't offer that. If they didn't. You took a puff of laughing gas at the hospital. I was like it's not working. I was like it's definitely working. I did it and I was like yep, working. For me it wasn't touching the sides. Yeah, it's so much pain. Yeah, so much pain. I had no idea how painful labor would be by the way. You can't know. Just crazy, no one actually prepares you. Well sorry I was going to say the things because obviously we had the podcast which kind of was preparing us for pregnancy. We had all these like dooners, we had experts, like midwives

come on and I think what you said is nothing can prepare you for when it happens. It's just like it all goes. Yeah everything goes. everything you've learned, you're like, no, I just need to survive. So I think we're into like, hour 20 by now, something crazy like that. More than that, babe. More, yeah, more. It's 36 hours in total. Yeah, so, but at some point in them 36 hours,

I was like, I can't do this anymore, I can't, I need nephrotoural, I can't do it. The nurse kept checking me and I wasn't dilating, I think I was only like three, four, four centimetres at this point. Bear in mind you need to get to ten obviously, I know you know that but just for anyone listening. And my water still hadn't broken either at this point. And I was refusing everything. They're like, do you want to break your water? I'm like, no, I don't want you to touch me. I don't want to do it all my own. But then again, it got to the point where I needed an epidural. I genuinely thought

I was going to die. Like that is the pain I was in. I don't think in fact, people have been speaking to other mums. I don't think it was normal the pain I was experiencing. No. We found out after where he was lodged. It didn't tell us at the time, but where he was kind of lodged down, Reggie's head was kind of stuck. I think that's what was causing him that pain. Because essentially, Em's body, from what they told me in the reports, Em's body was trying to push him out, but something was stopping him.

So you were constantly just stuck in that weird state. Yeah, and as I said, I wasn't dialing, so there was no room for him to go. So it was like kind of like all these contractions were happening and it was just getting more and more stuck. Probably like maybe fit what happened to you with the whole him getting stuck thing. But yeah, first

Superdural I had as many top-ups as I could and it just wasn't working. I was in still so much pain to the point where I was begging them to give me another one. I was begging, I was crying, I was like I need and then the girl that was in the ward with me she was I think quite new so she was doing everything by the book and she was like I can't, I can't. I was like, you don't understand, I need. And then luckily another nurse came in and I just grabbed her. I was like, you need to help me, you need to help me.

So she was like, okay, I'll go and get you some help. And by this point, all the doctors and nurses were doing a changeover because it was a new day. So I had to wait for all my notes to be handed over, everyone to do a new shift, whatever they were doing. And I think eventually this was about an hour, this must have been an hour and 34 now. Yeah. And eventually I got a second epidural and I think they dosed me up to the max. I think I got a spinal block at the same time as well. Yeah, it was like the first time in the whole time that she was chilled.

Yeah, the first, I could breathe time that she was chilled after that. I could breathe, I could breathe, I could have a sippy tea, I could eat something. What was that whole first part like for you? Oh, it was horrible. Like for me, I was just trying to be as strong. I wanted to be like her rock, so I didn't show any emotion when I was with her,

but I'd go out in the corridor, ring my mum and just cry my eyes out. I'm an emotional kid, very sensitive. So I was just trying to keep it all together for her, because I was like, I need to show strength for her. I'd go out in the corridor, ring my mum and just cry my eyes out. I'm an emotional kid, very sensitive. So I was just trying to keep it all together for her because I was like, she needs, I need to show strength for her. But I was just, I was in bits, just seeing her in that much pain. I've never ever, like, I mean, I don't like seeing you in pain in general,

but that much pain, it was just, it was horrible. I think that's why I remember so specifically, there was one time I was just looking up at the ceiling, like I was actually thinking, like, I'm actually going to die. And like, I could see you were looking at me, the tears just streaming down my face. I actually didn't think I could do it. I honestly didn't think I could do it.

Yeah, I didn't think I could do it. So it was this point where the nurse was like, Emily, you need to think about a plan B here because this baby's not gonna come. And I was like, there's no way I'm having a C-section. That was not any way. All the books I was reading, I would always skip past C-section. I was like, there's no way I'm having a C-section that was not any way all the books I was reading I would always get past C-section I was like there's no way I'm gonna have a C-section I'm gonna boss this but she

was like Emily you're gonna have to like and I so I asked her to leave and we spoke about it my mum was there as well I was all speaking about it and the main thing obviously was just getting Reggie out safe and sound so obviously I did it so she came in with all the paperwork, I had to sign my life away like you do. Next thing you know I'm being wheeled into theater, another theater room, and it's not over there guys, because that's when I had a panic attack.

I was just, I think I was so just exhausted. In the operating room? Yeah, I was so exhausted, so drugged up, I just was out of it. They couldn't operate on me because I was Panicking so much like I think that I am and you need to stop you to sort of shaking you stop Stop breathing because I was like like this So you had to do some breath work with me. I've never done breath work before

Like my thoughts I do breath work a lot on myself. So I was like right. We're gonna do some breath work And eventually you calm down. But that was horrible seeing it. Cause like, I think there's one thing, I've had loads of panic attacks just over the years and I know how to deal with it myself. When someone you love's having one, you're like, I just want to take everything away from it.

I would have generally taken all that pain away from it and I would have had it on myself. But yeah, it was just, but it's so weird how, what, I've got Clarence. Well, no, that's pretty much it. Within 10 minutes of that it was just, it was so weird how, oh look, I'm crying, I'm crying. Well no, that's pretty much it, you know, within 10 minutes of that, baby was born. He was born on his due date, and so one in the morning on his due date,

that's so rare. No way, yeah. So after all of that, I was like, oh my God. Then by the time he got put on me, like I was just so out of it. I said, baby, I was like, no, I was still shaken uncontrollably, that I was like, baby, you need to take him off of me, like I'm gonna hurt him. So, but yeah, it was like, no, I was still shaken uncontrollably that I was like, baby, you need to take him off me. Like, I'm gonna hurt him.

So, but yeah, it was just, and then it was just emotional. I think I was throwing up, wasn't I? It didn't really end there. And that's when they said, I said earlier about men not being able to stay. That's when they turned to me and they said, oh, you can't. That's what's so wild to me. Yeah, he wasn't allowed to stay. They said, you can't stay.

And I said, at no point am I leaving her alone. One, like, she can't even look after herself right now, let alone a baby, she's a new mom. The baby's in the room with you. Yeah, and bear in mind, I'm now wheeled back in the communal area for all the other new moms. I've just had major surgery. Like, you know.

No, I could not have done that. And they told you you had to leave. Yeah, his visiting hours are 10 to six. And I literally, I was like, you're gonna have to physically remove me from this hospital. I was like, I'm not leaving as well. I stayed, I slept on the floor on this rock hard floor, freezing cold as well. Yeah. And then it got to about 5 a.m.

I looked who's still there. I was like, babe, just get in the bed, just get in the bed. So we're in this single bed like this. Oh, so you'd stayed? Yeah, I'd stayed. Yeah, he was like, you have to remove it. He was on the stand. I wasn't leaving because I was just like, the state she was in, I was like, I'm not leaving

her. I was like, I think it's mad that you that You know Maybe if like if it had been a bit easier and and baby number two or three and you're like that's fine You can go to me in that case But in the state she was in it's too man to me and say oh by the way leave like leave so she can be on her Own well, it's impossible for a woman that just had a c-section to do anything Take care of the bit who's gonna take care of the baby if he's gone? You're by yourself.

What's the plan? I don't understand. It's a very weird system and then the kind of like cubicle bits are really close together. It's just like separated by a curtain. So you can hear babies crying everywhere. No, no, no. You don't understand. I was a proper Karen because my baby was so drugged up and all the drugs they were giving me he was so docile Babies taking it in turns to cry cry cry throughout the night. I obviously I'm knackered I haven't slept in days haven't eaten and I'm just like, but you shut your babies up You said that she did she did that she said I was like baby concept I was like, baby, you can't say that. I was like, I'm getting so pissed off.

And that's when they were like, you need to stay another night. That would have been Augie. Augie would have been keeping you up. He was screaming the entire time he was in the room with us. He wasn't... But then at least you were in your own private room, you know. I can't even imagine. I was already losing it. Like I was literally already... What was really nice though, there was a nurse that took Augie for, I think, was it an hour

and a half, two hours? I don't know, because I literally just passed out. So that we could sleep, which was really nice. So we got like a two hour stretch of sleep. And you had just labored for 36 hours. I know. Yeah, that was the other thing. It's almost weird because- To end with an emergency cesarean, it's just like, for f*** sake, all of that. I cannot.

We just wanted to leave and they wouldn't let us leave. I know. They wouldn't let us leave. Because the NHS is massively overrun. Once the baby's born, you're not that urgent. So, you know, blood tests and stuff, they'll take as long as it needs to because they're focusing on other areas. I get that. But we were like, can't we just come back and do the bloods? We want to go home. Three of us just want to leave this stressful environment. Did they give you staples? No, they put staples all across me.

Abby had staples. Staples and I was about to leave and then... Like Frankenstein style where it's just like... Like you put on tape like a sta... Yeah. Stitching and staples. It was literally a... Did you stapled your back together?

Yes. Have you got holes like marks? No. No, nothing. And to tell you the truth truth as I was leaving the hospital they're like oh you still have your staples in? I was like yeah, are they supposed to come out right now? They're like yeah, they don't give you anything they just pluck them out with tweezers and the staple gun is literally a staple gun

but they just do medical grade like clean staples. Yeah. I don't know what I'd prefer stitching or staples. I'm baffled by that. Honestly, it's not common. It's not common. I don't know why my doctor chose to do that. You still got your staples in. It's quite a weird sentence, actually.

I had nine staples in me. They didn't give me any pain relief to just pull them out, but honestly it didn't hurt that bad. I mean, once you've gone through a C-section, you're like, you know, what's another thing? I'm still confused when Abby had a c-section I was the one taking care of her baby because she just got freaking ripped open couldn't like she's recovering right just just as you went through What are these other moms doing because they didn't have a cam to help out with their baby Where the nurse is the one feeding the baby, you know, I know the mom was still doing all that

Yeah, I mean, I've been at mom was still doing all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I've been at the dad camp visit between like a certain visit hours, but then in the early morning and in the night, the dad has to go. Yeah. But the moms were getting out of bed. Yeah.

It makes no sense, but honestly. How are their like guts staying inside? I mean, they were just opened up. I mean, I think you were in bed for quite a while until you got out, right? To even go to the bathroom was like really difficult. Like to get up to go to the bathroom. Okay, you did get up to go to the bathroom.

I mean, I could, I was getting up sad to take laughs. But you had a catheter at first, right? Did you have a catheter at first? Yeah, I did. How in the freak were they doing that? Yeah, that's just, that's crazy to me. Oh yeah, I did, didn't I? Yeah, because I wasn't passing any urine.

You had the lot, man. Yeah, good. It's horrible. That's the first thing they do to you. I even had to have pessary. Oh yeah. So because I wasn't peering, and I was scared that I was gonna peer

when I was giving birth. They put two huge things up me. And- She had the lot, honestly. Yeah, and I was trying to go toilet in between contractions. Oh my God. Oh my God. What was your postpartum at least, better? Oh, it was great. Day two, I was doing the laundry. Oh my god. What was your post-partum at least better? Oh it's great, day two I was doing the laundry. Oh let's go. Honestly I told her, I was like

right you stay in bed, I was like I've got this, I was like I'm gonna handle everything, I was like you stay in bed with baby. Yeah but he doesn't know how to work the washing machine. Yes I do know, I've been washing clothes for long, I've honestly been washing clothes for longer than you, I don't know how many times you have to think, you shrink my clothes, you make them smell and you put blue Don't you dare air my dirty laundry? The other day we had a white wash on and I see two very dark blue bits of clothes in there I'm like they shouldn't be in there. Yeah, they didn't do anything. No, but you shouldn't be in there either way I told her to stay I was like I've got this downstairs. It's fine

And I quite enjoyed it because normally she's like on my case about everything so I was like for once I could do what I want downstairs. And it was clean, it was well kept. And then all of a sudden she started getting up and I was like whoa, no no, stay, this is my area now. I was like you stay in bed. But you just didn't trust that I could. Now you took it, like the first week you were very,

you didn't really do much at all. Yeah. And you were very much in bed a lot of the time. Yeah, but no, post-partum in general, I loved it. And it was nice, just, you know, in our bubble, like it was great. It's just crazy. I remember the first time we brought him back

and just being like, we've got this thing now that we need to keep alive, look after him. And it was just so crazy. And I remember the first night he was, when he was in our room and we were all sleeping and I woke up to him crying. I was like, oh my God, what is that? Like your body's just not used to it.

And now you wake up and you're like, I was just ready. But at first I was like, oh my gosh, what's happening? It was crazy. Even just like, it's so crazy. Like questions never really get answered until you go through it yourself. But just like, how do you know when to feed them?

How do you know when they're hungry? Like you just don't know the basics really, do you? You can't just go wing it. Well for a second baby, you guys will be so prepared. Oh, we're gonna be prepped for a second baby. I feel like we've, I think we got into our swing like month two where everything just felt quite easy and I was like how did I, you know what you look back and think how did I even not ever know this. It's just so

simple now like looking after him now. It obviously goes to different stages. But I totally remember that feeling. I was like they're gonna send me but I don't even know when to feed it like and I felt that way with Solids too. I was like, they're gonna send me but I don't even know when to feed it like and I felt that way with solids too I was like, we're what do I give him? Like what can he have? Thank God for TikTok, right? Honestly, thank God. I don't know what I would have done without that. When we got into Ween and we were like, what do we do? We had like an app we used with Griffin like solid starts

And so like it helped us like know what sizes of food were like safe and like what things we could introduce first and what things were like high risk for allergens like yeah but then with Augie I feel like we were like we trust ourselves a lot more. Everyone says this for baby 2 you're like I just eat what we want. First meal here is a Bolognese. Yeah. Baby 1 you do everything but I googled a lot I stopped doing it. Too much. You were a problem. I was a problem. Well Reggie had you do everything in the book? I Googled a lot. I stopped doing it. I was- Too much.

You were a problem. I was a problem. Well, Reggie had a lot of reflux issues. So he was having a lot of problems. He had to take him to the osteopath, the pediatrician quite a few times to take him on different formulas. Oh my God.

And this is what I was gonna say about the breastfeeding thing. Oh yeah, that was stressful. So obviously I was so looking forward to breastfeeding and I loved it whilst I did it, but he just wasn't latching properly and he was throwing up a lot. We knew he had colic and reflux but this just wasn't normal. We took him to a specialist and they said, do you know your baby's tongue, lip and cheek tide?

I went, pardon? I was like, no, no, no. The midwife checked him at the hospital and she said he was fine. She was like, no, no, he's severely tongue-tied. I'm just like, this could have all been prevented had they have just done their checks properly. But I said, this is such a common problem. I don't know about America, but in the UK, it's such a common problem. They just misdiagnose things. They just look past everything. I think a lot of people are tongue-tied. That was probably really painful.

Yeah, so it was painful for me. And poor Reggie, like he was taking in so much air because he couldn't like latch properly. He was just using it as a dummy really. He was just soothing him. He wasn't taking anything back. He wasn't taking anything in. So then he cried because he was hungry and he was like, hang on, you've just been feeding

for like 20 minutes. So it was really difficult to know. That was a stressful period, that. So the guy, because luckily he was still only a few weeks, no, six weeks at this point, six years old, lasered it all off. I don't know how you do it in America, but in here they just laser it all off. Apparently he didn't even move. He didn't move, yeah.

He was just there watching something on the screen. It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. Wow. But that definitely solved a lot of problems, but by that point he was still having issues and then it turns out he's got a dairy intolerance. And did you know there's dairy in your breast milk? Cause I didn't.

Did you know that? Yeah, my friend had to, a lot of people that are nursing if their baby's having like stomach problems, they encourage, the first thing they do is encourage their mom to stop having dairy. Yeah, I think I tried that and it just wasn't. I thought breast milk was dairy. Like is that not the same thing?

No, I'm not. I'm not. Cow milk and, I mean obviously cow milk and human milk is different but it's not considered dairy if it's a mom's milk. Dairy is only specific to a cow. Interesting. I felt like a cow. Yeah, oh my god, right? Well, I can't imagine you if he wasn't getting the milk out and so I was having to soothe him, pump with the other one because that wasn't enough coming out have to then formula feed him like it was just

like constant triple triple system yeah exactly so for so long it was just like a triple thing all the time we're just like so Emily you thought you were gonna die you had a traumatic birth you dealt with the tongue tie breastfeeding was challenging how did you end up coming to this realization of I want another kid? Oh I totally did it, as a mom I was like yes let's go! My wife is the exact same way. I still am. The thing is being a mom you're just like super women you just honestly forget about all the pain and the shit like you just do

like we're built that way, we're designed to forget about it. Yeah, and we're talking about actual shit too, like all over you. Yeah, all over, everywhere, the walls, oh my God, it's been over our walls multiple times, isn't it? But yeah, you just, you just designed to forget about it. So I guess that's why, and I guess because the good

outweighs the bad, like so much, so yeah. Did you miss the babies there? Yeah, oh the scrunch. So we always look at like, look at pictures of him, and I think you forget how much they grow, and I look at pictures and I'm like, oh my god, you were so small.

Like, in my eyes, he's still- How big was he? He was six, five pounds. We do pounds, yeah. He was so small, and it's like now, he's like becoming this little boy, and I look at pictures and I'm like like you're not a little baby anymore. No, his hands are so big, his feet.

His massive hands and feet. Yeah, well I mean you and all my boys in my family have got size 11 feet so there's no way that he's not gonna have big feet. Yeah, he's very big limbs. He is, he's 9 months but he fits in 12 months now. Yeah, he's just got really long legs. Cute. It's gonna be really fun when he starts walking.

That's my favorite time. He already is, he assisted on the walker. He'll be flying around. That's awesome. He loves to stand up, so he'll constantly use things. He'll come up to me and use my leg to stand himself up. He's in his slightly chaotic period now. Yeah, very chaotic.

Before we'd just put him down, he'd lie there, now he's like, I wanna get up, I wanna move, I wanna touch everything, grab everything, put everything in my mouth. Eat everything. Put everything in my mouth. Yeah, so I love it though, but it's like, constantly, now we're in the stage,

like, can't take our eyes off him for a split second, cause it's like, all of a sudden you look away, you look back and he's like stood up on something, you're like, whoa, how'd you get there? Easy. So did you guys come from big families? Uh, yeah, I did. I mean, I'm kind of weirdly very functional and loving family, but a really dysfunctional

family at the same time. So I've got two, I got a brother, step brother, step sister, two sisters, a foster sister. It's a very big family, like six parents because of all the divorces. But now everyone's with their rightful partner in my eyes. But we all still kind of work as a family anyway. It's like all my siblings are coming up to see us soon. We're a very close family. So I was, yeah, we lived in quite a small house, shared a bedroom. Even your step-mom and step-dad class themselves as Reggie's grandparents. It's so cute. Yeah, they are because you know they both

raised me and it's like it's it's a weirdly dysfunctional family but I yeah I'm a massive massive family person. Is that the same for you as well? Yeah mine's not as big I've got two brothers my mum and dad have always fostered as well so there's always like... No way that's really cool. Yeah I've never met anyone else that fosters and his mum fosters and my mum fosters. No way! Yeah that's awesome. Is that something you plan to do as well so it's always like... No way, that's really cool. Yeah, I've never met anyone else that fosters and his mum fosters, my mum fosters. No way. Yeah. That's awesome. Is that something you plan to do as well?

No. Really? No. Was it hard having foster siblings? Yeah, it was intense. There were some great times, there were some great times but it's a lot of effort and the kids definitely here, like a lot of them don't want to be helped, you know, they're kind of being dragged away from their home. And you know, they don't wanna be there.

So, you know, they make life very difficult, you know, we've had a lot of things stolen, like, you know, in the past they've abused, like, you know, lashed out at my mum and dad, police around all the time. So it's just like. You've got to be willing to give a lot. Like my mum did it for quite a few years and then she just stopped because it was too much on her emotionally yeah you know you're not as young as you once

were I was like you know just chill it's okay so you've done your part in a way you know you've helped out as much as you can your mum still does it yeah no way I'm sure it was probably very stressful on your parents relationship yeah that's pretty strong. Well, that's awesome. No way. So I'm sure it was probably very stressful on your parents' relationship. Yeah, that's pretty much the divorce. Well, not divorce, but separated. Wow. Yeah, you don't really think about that.

It's so admirable to do that, but that can be a lot. Especially it seems like it was also not just a walk in the park for you guys growing up being around. Seeing all that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like I said, there were some great times, you know, but yeah. Do y'all think you wanna have a big family too?

Oh, definitely, yeah. Yeah, well I've always been happy with the thought of having two kids, but you've always wanted three. I want three, I'd even push it four, you know. I'd do four. Okay, well. It wouldn't be just, we adopt a child, I don't know.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. I just like a big family and I like how much. I don't know. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I just like a big family and I like how much. I'd be happy with three and a dog. Three and a dog. Well, if you do get married, when would that probably happen with these potential four children?

I don't know. Need to propose first. Well, yeah, I was asking when, do you think? I need answers. Next few years. Next few years. Next few years? You had it here first. I think it'd be fun to talk about baby number two.

We were already kind of tabbing into that. When's it happening? Well, we, well. Not to push because I know that your baby's not even one yet, but it got brought up naturally before we started recording. No, well, I would happily be pregnant again, right now. Like, definitely this year.

And we did actually agree that after Reggie's first birthday that we would start trying. We did agree, yeah. We did agree. We did. But. Sometimes they get cold feet. Yeah.

The cold feet happen. And I feel like, we're not gonna put pressure on it. If it happens, it happens. But, otherwise, I think we are going to hold off until maybe the year after. Yeah, I wanna- Wait, I'm getting so confused. We did initially set a grade this year to start trying,

but I think we're going to wait till the year after. You know what, I've got a lot of things I want to kind of do with my career. And I want to kind of start getting those things done by the time I have baby number two. Because I think some people have babies and I think they get a bit resentful at the babies because you stopped me from doing this, this.

Because it's obviously a lot of your time. So like. We'll never be like that. No, I'm not saying that, I'm just saying people do. Because sometimes you put the baby first, of course you do, they are first priority. And I think for me, I am now focusing on getting hot this summer. I want like a

milf body. So that's what I'm talking about. Going through the briefs that you had on the show waiting to make love. Do you have any expectations for your kid? How are you going to talk to them about? You could say sex. Yeah sex. Like how are you going to have that talk with your kid? Well Reggie's not allowed to date so I don't think we're gonna ever have that conversation. I'm gonna be the only woman he ever loves. Well that settles it then. Great. I'd speak to him. I think I'll always teach him to respect women and that's the main main thing is he needs to be a gentleman and he needs to respect women. He needs to be what I probably wasn't in my like earlier years. I was always respectful. I was always a nice kid, but I maybe wasn't the best. So that's the first

thing he's going to learn. I don't want him to be like I was. I want him to be, I love him to find someone that he wants like you guys find someone and just have that kind of like pure, pure just love. And I think it teaches you, I think nowadays a lot of people give up on relationships without wanting to put the work in. We've, we've gone through ups and downs and we've had difficult moments, but some people just go, right, well, that's it. I think you need to work. And relationships are work.

And some people don't like hearing that. They're like, oh no, but if it's love, it's supposed to be just easy. No, it's not. It's difficult. You've got to work on communication. You've got to work on growing together rather than growing separately. And I think the amount I've learned from growing with you about even just myself is amazing and I would have learned about being with you so I think for Reggie I'd love him.

Reggie I just want him to to learn I think you learn a lot through a relationship and working out relationships so I think it's good for people. That's beautiful. Well said Cam Well, thank you so much for coming on the show. Where is the best place people can connect with you guys online or social media? Instagram, TikTok. Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat as well. Oh yeah, and we're making a comeback to YouTube.

There we go. We're coming back to YouTube next month. We've got some cool kind of concepts going on, quite different to what we normally do. So yeah, Cam and Em channel on YouTube and then both our Instagrams, TikTok, Snapchats. Well, thank you guys so much. Thank you so much. We're going to go eat some Indian food.

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